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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Jonathan and Kelly Show.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Jonathan intimate portrait into this relationship between the suspect's roommate
and the suspect himself, Kelly Nash calling him my love
and I want to protect you my love.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
From Jonathan and Kelly Show. WOC all right, given that
we did get the transcript yesterday from my text messages
between Tyler Robinson, I always want to call him Taylor.
I'm not sure why. Oh, Tyler, I want to call
him piece of crap, but we'll use his name.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Tyler and Lance. Lance Twiggs is the roommate's name. They
keep calling him the roommate. He is Lance.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Now, I had a couple of observations about the text messages,
but never did I ever actually put it in its
proper perspective. Apparently from ABC News, and I've forgotten that
reporter's name who brought in the duality of it all.
I mean, look at the love, look at the sharing
of the love.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah, when I when I read the text messages, I
didn't feel a special tingle.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
I didn't either. No, maybe it's because I'm not a furry.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
The only thing that I did find somewhat humorous, and
I say that understanding how dark this story is was
his obvious concern that his father was gonna whoop his
tail for not for not bringing back Grandpa's rifle.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Now, I can tell you, given as a as a
young person who has used a grandfather's or a father's gun, rifle, shotgun, whatever,
I can tell you better take.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Care of that. You're facing the death penalty. Oh you
think that's what's bothering me. I got to explain to
my father that I lost grandpa's gun.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
You think I'm concerned about a little bit of electricity
over here? Or we're going to use the We're gonna
use it, but they said yesterday they're going to use
the firing squad? Is the option in Utah? Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:50):
I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
I didn't realize that was the case either. I know
it's an option here choose.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Because he do you get to choose it like in
the neck, like like old Charlie got it. See if
that's an option for him anyway, Lance Twiggs and Tyler
Robinson apparently had a deep, deep love that tingled the
legs of that CNN reporter or was ABC ABC report.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
ABC, And as he continued to describe it, I kept
waiting for the part where it was surprised. I'm doing
this for you, my love, but his love didn't even
understand that he A was even thinking of this, and
B questioned, why would you do that? Yeah, why would you?
It was a surprise. Maybe that's what the like the

(02:33):
text message I did. I know.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
No, I don't think it was supposed to be a surprise,
like it's going to be like a anniversary gift or something,
because he said, I had hoped to keep this secret
until I died of old age, so he was just
going to do it and then come come home and
be shocked.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
He was so well planned that he thought he was
going to walk away from this and be able to
carry for the rest of his life as his own
secret and had ever come out until on his deathbed
when he decides to confess to this, when plainly he
had climbed to the top of the building. And I
did go back yesterday and watched the video, remember the
video of the two guys that were talking and they
saw somebody on the road.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
He wouldn't be a killer, wouldn't be here.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
I had to go back because I'm like, I don't
even want to know what the timeline was on that.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
I don't want to that it was like two hours
before Charlie got there.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Gentlemen, wake up. Anyway, it was very frustrating moments listening
to this progress yesterday. But nonetheless, we have the charging documents,
and I didn't realize they didn't use it. There's a
lot of things about states and they do things differently
than different states that have different methodologies in place. I
didn't even realize that they just have a charging document

(03:45):
from the the county. I think it was the county prosecutor,
and it could have been a solicitor. Again with the
differentation that the terminologies used as the states set up
in their own structure. But the death penalty is certainly
going to be an option. But the fans are still
looking for a way to get in on this. I
really think Caspateel wants to take lead charge and personally

(04:05):
put this guy in front of a firing squad of him.
That's the way it comes off kind of. But nonetheless,
we will see how this progresses as they're trying to
link in different persons from the chat room that may
take them because of the international availability of a chat
room or even through text messages that could take them
to persons from other states, which would then make it

(04:27):
an interstate conspiracy crime, and then that would necessitate the
FED stepping in.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Now I'm wondering what is the charge if somebody says
in a chat room something like I would like to
see this individual dead if I don't do am I
supposed to call nine one one at that point and
say so and so just said that they would like

(04:53):
to see so and so dead? Or Am I allowed
to interpret that as that's just a metaphorical for because
I would hate to see people are going to jail
because they didn't report something that I don't think I
would assume now I would probably caution that person if
they said it in my presence or they texted me,
or they said something about I wish so and so

(05:14):
is dead. Bro, you should never talk like that.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
I can tell you that I have had this conversation
with myself. Even in the past twenty four hours. I remember,
as a matter of fact, making a joke on air,
not in Colombia. I'm not even to say where I
did this, but I made a joke on air about
Air Force one from a totally different president. This is

(05:38):
a long time ago, and I answered the phone as
typical taking taking phone calls and request and sky calls
up and he goes, hey, man, I'm not going to
give you my name, but I'm calling from the Fed
office so for in so and so, which was a
nearby town, and he said, we love listening to you,
but heads up, you can't you can't make jokes like

(06:00):
that on the air that could very easily be misconstrued
as a threat on the president's life. And then we
have to come see you. And we don't want to
see you.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
We like to listen to meet you. Yeah, we like seeing.
We like listening. We don't want to have to see you.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
We don't want to have to come over there and
talk to you. And I appreciated the heads up because
I was also thinking about a guy who made a
joke one time about the rumor of the day was
is that a certain bank in their city would not
be opening today. Well that got him fired. So it goes,
what about freedom of speech? Respect to the freedom of

(06:33):
speech argument, we're going again to again today coming up
here in a few minutes.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
By the way, the Lance Twiggs character, I mean this guy,
if you find yourself in a relationship with someone like
a Lance Twigs. That is a great time for you
to do a self assessment. What is it about me
that I find this person attractive? So let's just start

(07:01):
at the beginning. Lance Twigs is a physical male quote
unquote transitioning by transitioning. He's not on hormones. He's not
doing anything other than wearing a wig from time to time.
So I've got a man who wears a wig from
time to time and I find that attractive. But on
top of it, he likes to dress as a beaver.

(07:22):
Is it that what we said he was? He was
a beaver. He likes to be in furry costumes. Lance Twigs,
on his own social media talked about according to I
guess my social media posts have revealed I'm not mentally
well at all. As now I'm getting inundated with treatments

(07:45):
for schizophrenia and brain tumors. I think that that actually
is on brand for me. So he's recognizing he's not
mentally well. This is Twigs now, this is the boyfriend
of the murder. Twigg's parents apparently kicked him out at
age eighteen, and according to him, they told him to

(08:08):
his face, you are possessed by demons. We have prayed
over you. You have no interest in trying to get
rid of these demons, so we are just removing you
from our home. Go out into the world. So Lance
Twiggs took his little furry costumes and found this guy,

(08:31):
Tyler Robinson, and together they've been renting an eighteen hundred
dollars a month townhouse. And so when you're attracted to
somebody whose parents call him a demon, whose cousin has
given an interview here it says I haven't spoken to
him for at least four years, I can tell you
we all found him to be a very disturbing person.
He's not healthy, his mind is corrupt. That's what his

(08:51):
family is saying about. Again, this is not the killer,
This is the furry fella. What when you know all
that about the person? Because he's openly telling you this,
he's posting it on social media, so it's not like
it's a secret. You have to assess yourself and say,
why am I attracted to someone like this? Apparently he

(09:14):
found him to be my love and I want to
protect him.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
We're going to assume that the parents didn't think that
in this case. It wasn't Twig who actually took the shot,
but it was his boyfriend. Yeah, And you know they
say birds of a feather flought together. Does he identify
as a Is he a furry or a feather? Because
I think they're both furries. They're both active in what
they call the furry subculture and they post. Yes, they're

(09:43):
big on social media with the with the furry chat.
And you would think to yourself, should the parents have
like identified this person as being mentally unstable with the
authorities or is there some way that this should have
been pointed out.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Previous But he didn't do anything.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
He didn't do anything, So you can point out.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
That everybody in the community knows he's a nut job.
Everybody because that's his hometown. Yes, so everybody here knows
he's been kicked out of his house. Everybody went to
high school with him, said he actually took a dark turn.
There again, we're talking about Twigs Lance. Twigs took a
dark turn, they said, around his sophomore year of high school,
and so the whole school ostracized him, and then he

(10:27):
just went deeper and deeper into this weird furry subculture.
And you know, now I'm looking at him right now,
and he just looks ridiculous. He looks ridiculous. His outer
exterior that he was, you know, puts out to the
world is that of a beaver. You're a lunatic. And

(10:49):
yet in today's tolerant society, we're expected to treat these
people as if they're not mentally ill. This is their
lifestyle choice, and I have to not only day out
of it. I have to basically celebrate it. Furry pride.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Oh yeah, we can't. We're not. You're not going to
get off just by accepting it. You have to.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
My silence is violence. When I don't have a comment
on you dressing up like a squirrel and walking around
the street. If I don't say well done, well done,
good and faithful squirrel. If I don't say these words
to you.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
If I don't offer to brush your tail.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yes, then I'm a violent person. I've exercised violent rhetoric.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
You know, I just thought about something. I know. We
moved up the gay Pride Did we moved that up
on the calendar's coming up first weekend on October? Why?

Speaker 3 (11:46):
I thought it was June was gay Pride month? Oh?

Speaker 1 (11:48):
We got one a quarter here it's a quarterly events.
Oh yeah, but this is a gay this is gay.
It's not Gay Visibility Day, it's not Gay Pride Month
that is in June. It's let me applaud your hotness.
I don't I don't know what they call it.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Okay, So if I don't go to the gay pride
event in October, am I That's what I'm thinking now
I should be maybe arrested for potential hate crime.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, your absence is your violence.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Absence is violence. Silence was violence, then absence was violence.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
You got to be there to applaud it. Now we
and maybe now out of curiosity, I want to show up,
just at least to walk down the street. The furre
show up for this as well as right, that's a
different weekend.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
I'll be honest. I've never gone to the Columbia Gay
Pride parade. I have no clue as to what they're
gonna do. I did find this funny, by the way,
just a social media post this, I guess it was
yesterday some gamecock fan posted it and it's in reality
it's from some gay pride thing in the Netherlands, Okay,

(12:50):
where an apparently part of gay culture is something called
like puppy thing where so I guess men who are submissive,
I'm guessing or dressing up as puppies. They all have
puppy snouts on. And I kind of remember the guy
who worked for the White House dressed up as a
puppy once, didn't he the guy who got arrested later

(13:11):
on for stealing the women's clothing at the air.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, that's right. What's his name? I forgot?

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, I think he dressed up as a puppy too.
So anyway, it's like the puppy power movement or something.
And there's like fifty of them, all dressed up the
same way, marching down the street together. And he said
he posted that video, and he said, exclusive video of
the Missouri football team getting ready for the games this week.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
There's a lot going on with this coach or I
don't understand, Kelly.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
We have a lot of perverted, twisted freaks in the world,
and it's only gonna get worse if you refuse to
call it out.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
And to be clear, I have a lot of questions
to which I won't know answers. I don't want to know.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
I just want to ask the question.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
I've got a lot I don't even. I don't have
to answer ask the questions. Don't want to know. I
don't want to know about the culture. I don't want
to understand it. And see, now, look what's happening. I'm isolating.
Isolation is violence. I'm isolating myself.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
I not even you're isolating yourself.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yes, I'm insulating and isolating myself.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
I was just I think you're more insulating yourself isolate.
Just let me shut the door, shut off the television,
and sit here quietly and remember what it was like
in the sixties.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
You know something, I believe in the gay Pride celebration.
I will have to go downtown. You're going, I'm gonna go.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
You know what, Lady Shabilee or whoever the big drag
queens are today, They're going to have a special guest,
Jonathan Russian's covit.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
It won't take long. I know it won't take long.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
This lady should blee dead. Wasn't she the transgendered person
in the Garden of Good and Evil? From Savannah? But
she came to Columbia, bunch, I remember years ago.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
I'm is gonna be hosted by Pattigo Furniture.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Oh that's right is pat Patty is from Charles. Yes,
it's amazing that we have just been able to name
successfully to drag queens.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
And Drew Paul will not be here for this one.
Who's Drew Paul? Not Drew Paul. He was Drew, but
he changed his name to Rue. If I remember correctly,
I will not be here for this event. This is
not what's that show called drag Race or something? This

(15:28):
is not This is not the drag Race show.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
How do I know these things? How do I know
that the show is drag Race? I've never seen drag Race?
You know what?

Speaker 1 (15:34):
This could be children's Reading Hour. I'll have to find
out what's on the agenda. This could be the one
with the with the where the trainees read to the children.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
I don't again, I'm not planning on attending. I don't
think I know anyone other than you who plans on
being there.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
I'm gonna I'm gonna have to get a couple of
Christian men to walk with me because I'll need help.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
I say, we can get you a VIP pass.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
I can't go down there by myself.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Be treated like a king. All the puppies would rally
around you.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
All right, so now as we continue with the aftermath
of the tragedy that now I'm starting to go back.
I'm starting to get angry with some people, and I
can't place myself there. And I even asked myself, what
would I do if I'd have been the guy who
saw somebody on the roof?

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Well, are you the eighteen year old guy or no,
that's where sixteen year old?

Speaker 1 (16:26):
You have to cut people's slack, I get it. And
would you not have automatically come to the assessment that
that's a secret service agent? Well, this is not an
elected official, so why would a secret service agent be there.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
I'm a teenager. I don't have big enough thoughts yet.
That's why Charlie Kirk is on the campus to try
to help you learn how to think.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
I'm just because the professors are not doing it. A
lot of them, not all, but a lot are failing
the kids. By the way, I brought up a point
on this other show this morning that you know, if
you saw Harry Enton yesterday CNN, I thought he delivered
devastating news for the country. So currently in the last
fifteen years, just the idea of socialism at that time

(17:11):
fifteen years ago, seven percent thought it was a good idea.
Today fifteen years later worth thirty six percent. Yes, that
is a complete failure of the education system of this
country that there's thirty six percent of any group of people.
It could be toddlers, thirty six percent of anybody would
not know that socialism leads to death, and to get

(17:34):
into socialism leads to death. The beginnings of socialism require
a revolution. You cannot get there peacefully. So when we
talk about violence on the left, that's what they're talking about.
Look at how did Cuba get to where they are?
How did China get to where they are? How did
Russia get to where they are? How did Venezuela get

(17:54):
to where they are? Every socialist nation on earth, and
a lot of them will point to and say, well,
it's the communist they're not according to people who are
I know, this is a semantics thing. We've never actually
experienced communism. No country has been able to get to
a communist state, although that was the desired goal of
plenty of countries because communism. The difference between socialism and

(18:17):
communism is that in socialism you are still allowed to
own certain things. Communism you own nothing. You don't own
your clothes, you don't have money, you don't there. It's
a commune every That is what communism is. Nobody owns anything.
So in socialism they'll still allow you to own properties

(18:40):
of a certain size. If the house is too big,
it'll be seized. And yeah, that's what I'm saying. If
you got if you've got too much of a house,
you know, you don't think Bernie Sanders no believe there
should be a thing. There's a billionaire, and then you
know that becomes nobody should have half a billion dollars,
nobody should have a million dollars, should have a dollar?

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Why does anybody have any money at all?

Speaker 1 (19:04):
And then, as we bemoan the fact that we've seen
socialism grow, at least by the polling that you quoted
just recently released this week, we've also seen other polling
of persons who I guess that the left would celebrate
this because their words are actually starting to take traction.
That fifty six percent of Americans and I've forgotten the
number of Democrats believe that political violence is acceptable. Fifty

(19:27):
six percent is acceptable. And then specifically, when I asked
about persons like Elon Musk and Donald Trump, that is
totally acceptable political violence. Now that they say shooting and
death not in the questioning, but that is symperic.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Well, again, when you positioned somebody as a threat to
your life, which is what the left has done to
the right, they are a threat to your life because
they're fascists. And so if you're a homest actual, they're
going to throw you off a building. Oh hang on,
that's what they do in the Middle East. That's not

(20:05):
what we do here. The right is not a threat
to anybody's life. The right is the party of less power.
We are the party of just let the people go
live their lives, get government out of their lives. We
want smaller government, not bigger government. When Donald Trump is
a quote unquote fascist, back in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty,

(20:27):
specifically in twenty twenty, when the whole thing broke out
with COVID, he was called the fascist for saying let
the States decide how to handle COVID. That was a
fact that shows a complete misunderstanding of what the word
fascist means.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Did the same thing with abortion.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Well, again, that's Supreme Court decision, but Donald Trump certainly
was in support of it. Let you know, look, if
California wants abortion beginning at one week, I guess. I mean,
that's their call. They can do whatever they want in California.
We in other states have the ability to look otherwise.
But the idea of a fascist is that they are
trying to gain power. They want all the power. You

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want to be a dictator, you want to be a
strong man, all these phrases that they use about people
on the right, which is the exact opposite.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
That's why Donald Trump's moving into Memphis soon, the move
into Chicago. This is the march fascist, the squashed protest,
so he can and just take over a third term
precisely and end all elections. Boy, it was I at
Moniche yesterday what happened to? And I guess appropriately, So
what'd you do? I saw the video or of the

(21:33):
podcast video or the audio, just the audio I heard
from Jamie Lee Curtis or She's crying. She started crying,
yes and Sally while we were listening to it together,
and she said, look at me, Okay, are you buying this?
She's an actress? My god, what are you thinking? I said,

(21:57):
It sounded like maybe she was emotionally touched. He's because
she's a mom. I thought maybe she had like a
moment where she was actually sharing a human experience. She's
an actress. Don't listen to her.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Look, I don't think. Well, first off, if I was
Jamie Lee Curtis, which is hard for me to imagine,
but if I was, if I'm on the left, which
Jamie Lee Curtis is pretty well established on the left,
Doesn't Jamie Lee Curtis have a trans child, Yes, yes, yes, yes,
and fully supportive of that decision, and fully supportive of
most you know, abortion laws and most anything that's on

(22:32):
the left. Jamielee Curtis is pretty a well spoken proponent
for that. If I'm trying to gain favor or reinforce
my position on the left, I would just take the
position that so many on the left have taken. Charlie
Kirk spoke violence. Charlie Kirk tried to ruin people's lives.

(22:52):
He thought he knew better than anyone else, and then
he and his moral high ground tried to dictate to
others how they should live. And while his death is tragic,
I'm starting to quote a little bit. I was tempted,
but you know what, at the end of the day, look,

(23:14):
America is going to be a better place. I don't
support political violence, but at the same time, he shouldn't
have said what he said. That's the basic position of
the left lately. That's what she I think. I think
you were correct. I think that Jamie Lee Curtis recognized,
Oh my.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Gosh, this is how angry Sally is about this assassination.
She's not going to cut any slack. Well, don't try
to come here.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Now, I would. I would remind Sally, who is a
great Christian woman who goes to lots of Bible studies,
and there's a lot of other great Christians out there
who are very angry. There's a video of Charlie Kirk
at one of his do we call him rallies? Is
that what they were called campus talks, whatever they were,

(24:00):
whatever he was doing, and there was a devout Christian
was how the guy was described, and he is upset
at gay pride parades taking place, and Charlie Kirk's position was,
what difference is it to you? And the guy was like,

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what do you mean, They're perverts, They're against God. What
they're doing is ungodly, and he's like, but it's not
your business. God is very clear he's talking to his people.
Those people don't want to be his people. Let them
live their lives how they see fit. And the guy
was like, well, I find it offensive, and God finds

(24:44):
it offensive, and I'm on the side of God. And
he says, well, if you've read your Bible, then you
also know that being a Christian is long suffering. You
are long suffering. You are very tolerant. Jesus chose to
spend his time with hookers and tax collectors, who are
the biggest thieves of the day. They destroyed people, those

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tax collectors destroyed families. And you know what, Jesus said,
let's have dinner. Did that tick off some of the
people who followed them, probably, But the people who got it,
who understood, which you do not understand, that's how you
reach out to people. So the fact that somebody murdered
Charlie Kirk is horrific, but you know, and the people

(25:27):
who support that murder are abhorrent, but we are to
be long suffering and pray for them.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Sally feels like those kind of persons who make those
statements and are pulled into that, possibly by the emotional
words of jam of the Curtis are unfortunately probably caught
up in a moderate Christian lifestyle where they feel like
that's the comfortability that allows them their Christian position without
having to actually get an ever into a position. Much

(25:57):
like Charlie Kirk put himself in constantly to stand on
the word of God and make sure that everybody has
an opportunity to hear it.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
It's not up to any of us to judge Jamie
Lee Curtis's heart. I mean, she said what she said.
If you want to choose to believe it or not
believe it, I don't think it makes any difference.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
No, I haven't. I haven't contemplated since the conversation yesterday
until now.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yeah. But you know, if you do believe her, great,
If you don't believe it, that's fine too. The bigger
picture is, does Jamie Lee Curtis want to become a
person of God? Because she did reference that Charlie Kirk
was a man of God. She referenced that she did, so,
I don't know if that is are her eyes opening

(26:43):
Sometimes people late in life have eye opening experiences, possibly,
and so perhaps maybe now's a great time to pray
for Jamie Lee Curtis. If those of you who believe
that the Holy Spirit might be moving upon her.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
Now we mentioned yesterday and talked it with great length,
and we only have a quick update here for you
on the first the first Amendment debate going on having
to do with professors or employees and universities in particular,
as we were taught yesterday at the feet of Sean Kent,
if I remember his name correctly, an attorney from Manning.

(27:14):
He was getting phone calls from persons who have been
fired from the jobs because of things they have posted online.
And he goes and we went through that yesterday. We
do have an update. Now there was actually who was
it that it monished?

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Was it Jay Bender?

Speaker 2 (27:30):
No?

Speaker 1 (27:30):
No, no, no, the House member. Oh that was some
ruffle who lived up near Coastal Yeah, she said, I
got my eyes on you, looking at you coast of Carolina.
So we had an employee from coast to Carolina who
was relieved of their duties yesterday. And there's a follow
up article on today and this comes from the Posting Courier,
and it reiterates the Attorney General's arguments as he was

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advised or offered to advise or at least give his
opinion to Clemson University before they're behind to a meeting.
We talked at length about and now Jay Bender has
come out again forcefully in this article. The law is
pretty clear and state institution cannot fire an employee for
what the employees posted on social media unless that post

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in sights imminent violence. The notion you can be fired
from your public employment for criticizing a controversial public figure
seems to me to be a clear violation of the
First Amendment and the fourteenth Amendment.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
So Jay Bender says that the law is pretty clear
that a state institution cannot fire an employee for what
they posted on social media, and we'll just put the
imminent threat thing to the side. So is that a
special privilege reserved only for people who work for state institutions?
Because we've already established pretty clearly, Jay, that I could

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be fired from, say, if I worked at a restaurant
and I posted online this restaurant's food sucks, They're well
within their rights of firing me. But you're saying because
the distinction I think you're saying here is it's pretty
clear that a state institution cannot fire an employee for

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what the employee has posted on social media. And yet
I remember state employees being fired in twenty twenty one
when they said that masks don't work, or when they
said that the whole COVID vaccine had not been researched
enough for them to take it. They were fired for that.
They worked for state institutions. Did you rush to their defense?

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What if somebody was to go online and make racist comments,
would you defend them? Would you say, well, because they
work for a state institution, then that's fine, and any
state institution are there? Are there particular state institutions or
is it just college state institutions? Are you talking about?

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Could I work for DNR? Could I work for any
of the state's institutions?

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Jay?

Speaker 3 (30:03):
And why is that special shield there? Why would we
even created that. It seems to me, Jay Bender, that
you're the only one who thinks this because there's a
long litany of liberal lawyers around town like Bacari Sellers,
Dick Harpoulian, all these guys would love to get on
a microphone, they're not shy, but none of them are
making this claim.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Jay Bender, who has practiced media law in South Carolina
for more than forty years, said he's been disappointed by
many of the calls for the firing in the aftermath
of Kirk's death, referring to it as absurdist theatrical politics.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Would it be theatric politics if they fired somebody who
went online and didn't even threaten somebody with violence, If
they just said pick a race, any race, white people, well,
probably white people, you wouldn't get in trouble for, but
any of the other races, and said they're not smart
enough to work here. If they said that, could they

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be fired or are they again protected because they work
for Clemson? If they said Asians aren't smart enough to
drive cars, because that's a very racist position. Asians can't drive.
The state of South Carolina should not issue driver's license
to Asian people because they clearly have demonstrated they have

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their inabilities to drive. If they said that, would you
say that they should be protected?

Speaker 1 (31:26):
All right, let's see if we get somebody fired from
Furman or the like by days in so we can
get a clarification once again in another article. And the
other point you brought up is, wait a minute, where's Dick
Carpoutlian in this where's Todd Rutherford?

Speaker 3 (31:40):
They're not running to the microphones.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Where are the attorneys that we generally see first and
foremost running to wis WLTX the Post. The Courier has
a hotline mobile number.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
I saw Antoine Seawright on CNN this morning. He didn't
bring it up, never mentioned it.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
All right, we'll see if we have a continuation tomorrow