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November 17, 2025 • 25 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Jonathan and Kelly Show.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Jonathan Rush, the lesson.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
That they're learning is that democrats are need and that
next time you just need to hurt for from people
of faking Americans more to get them to fold. Kelly Nash,
I'm furious with the senators who decided to bail on us.
There may be another opportunity in January when this CR expires,
and Kelly Show.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
I had not heard already that their doctor, excuse me,
Representative Stephen Lynch just told you get ready for another shutdown, Kelly,
into January. We haven't even talked about the CR yet,
or the vote for the healthcare extension or the like.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Well, I'm they told us that without telling us that
when they can when they agreed to the eight Senators
agreed with the Republicans, because what they did was they
took SNAP benefits off the menu. So the SNAP and
the military stuff that's going to be funded till next November.

(01:01):
So we can now beginning February first, shut the government
down and you can't hang that around our next Now
we're just gonna screw up air travel, and we're gonna
close all the parks, and we're gonna screw all that up,
and we will close it till we get a new Well,
we just want our one point two trillion.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
We will, we will, They will get you. They're gonna
hold it hot, hold you hostage until they get that
one point five trillion.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, without the one five you're not reopening.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
And AOC says, that's what the way you do it,
you make the American people hurt more.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Just a gentle reminder, the rate increase that is taking
place beginning January first is the one that was designed
by the current Democrats. So like when when I see
Mark Kelly, aka the astronaut, or I hear Bernie Sanders crying, oh,
is this plasable? It's possible because that's what you designed.

(01:55):
You Actually, you set the price. That's your that's it
was your vote twenty twenty two. What should happen in
twenty twenty six. You picked it. It's your numbers. Now
I understand that the way Democrats like to do things
is they like to inflict pain on Americans and then
when you've suffered under it, then they tell you, but
we have a way out, and the way out is

(02:16):
more government. That's always the way out. So the goal
was to get us to the point where you could say,
how about this and the world's wealthiest country. We don't
need any Americans going bankrupt over their healthcare. It's kind
of like what they say here in some of these
school districts. We don't need any Americans going hungry at
the school lunch level. So we're just going to provide

(02:37):
free school lunches for everybody. We're not going to let
any Americans die with medical emergencies, so we're just going
to take away all the expense. There's no more expenses
for medicine. If you think that your healthcare has suffered
between twenty ten and twenty twenty five, give yourself five
years of socialized medicine and then you'll be begging.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
To die against Like PJ. Rourke said, you think health
care is expensive, now wait till it's free. If you
could get it. Because under the Democrat socialist form we've
already seen it the other country, you can't get it.
You end up not being able to actually get it.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
When you say it, what do you mean health care?
When you say health care, what do you mean? Because
they okay, see, because that's not what they mean. What
they mean is health care means insurance. So you've already
got actually being able to live. No, actually, they'll be
trying to kill you because it helps them. It makes
them look better because now we have nobody with any diseases,

(03:39):
got cancer. Put a bullet in his head, num more cancer,
It's all been healed. I watched an interview this weekend
with some lady who lives in Slovenia, and she was
talking about the socialized medicine hitting there, and she was
talking about the horror story that the media doesn't want
to run with in Slovenia, showing people who are thirty

(04:00):
five forty years old dying in the in the hallways
of the hospital. They never got to the room, so
they'd spend five or six days and I'm sleeping on
the floor and then just die. And then it would
be two or three days later that somebody from the
medical staff realized, oh they're not just sleeping now, now
they're dead. So and these are literally thousands of people

(04:22):
who live there who can't get operations for basic things.
They're dying of hernia, they're dying of just random things
that in America you would never die of this, but
not in Slovenia.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Slovenia. I did not realize that that well. And also
now when you get when you do away with the
fact that you don't need any of that insurance, Yeah,
all of your private insurance is gone now like Barack
Obama or he told you back in eight too. It's
like at some point you got to tell grandma, it's
just time to go home and take the pill.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
So as soon as you become the non productive persons
that you need to be support the government, then you
can just go home and die.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
And again, nobody will be that productive moving forward. And
what I mean by that is if the Democrats are
able to continue to push socialized everything upon you, eventually
you'll get to the point where, you know, like Slovenia, currently,
eighty four percent of your money if you're a Slovenia

(05:25):
resident goes to taxes. Doesn't matter what your tax bracket is,
you pay eighty four percent of your money. So why
am I working hard for this little pittance? And it
doesn't matter if I have more. There's nothing to buy,
so there's no incentive to do anything. So production grinds
to a halt. And then when the government makes these

(05:47):
assessments on who should we save who should we let die?
They're looking at things like, well, how productive is he?
Well he just goes to the factory, or he just
does whatever it is. He just pushes a broom and
he does it adequately. Yeah, but we have a million
of boom pushers. Well, you know what, just don't give
him the medicine. Then just let him die. Tell them
we're working on it, we're backlogged, and then he'll probably die,

(06:10):
you know, quote unquote natural causes in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
And what is his social score? That certainly will come
into play.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Well, under Slovenia rule, you don't have a social score
now you're because every post is approved by the government,
which is amazing to think about that. In Slovenia, federal
law says when you hit post on Facebook before it posts,
a government official reviews it. So you're not going to

(06:38):
challenge anything over here.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Hey, Kelly, does that mean we've got have to shut
down Walter read or would that still be where, for instance,
Joe Biden would go for his cancer treatments, or where
Bernie Sanders may have to go very soon because he's
getting elderly.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
You know, I don't know how it plays out. I
know that the top tier officials in any government are
always taken care of, know that the rest of us
are the ones that have to scramble. But friends and
family of top tier officials will have a place to go.
So this would be a good time to start kissing.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
But yes, Walter Reed's definitely still going to be there.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Well, it might, It might be even better. It might.
They might bulldoze Walter Read and build a solid gold,
you know, hospital for themselves. You may take it eighteen
trillion dollars and say but only the friends and family
of you know, senators and so again, if you're a Republican,
if you can make it to the Senate level, then
you're done. You're okay, don't worry about it.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
It's like all forms when we see do you want heat?
Do you want red meat? Do you want food? Do
you want bread? Do you want any type of food?
Do you want medical care? You damn well better be
close to the top of the socialist ladder. Otherwise the
bottom wrong people. As Kelly pointed out, you'll be waiting
in the hallway possibly if you could get there, and

(07:53):
then you'll die alone. And once they realize you're dead,
they'll haul you off to a mass grave where you
won't be marked.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
I mean, that's that's the unfortunate reality for literally billions
of people around the world that live in either a
third world country where the government is totally corrupt, or
in these socialist countries where by definition the government's corrupt.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
It's almost Thanksgiving soup would be a great time to
hear the Rush Limbaugh annual Thanksgiving story, which takes us
back to the original colonists who first learned that socialism
doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Almost kill them, but thankfully they survived that first winter,
and then they said, screw that. Everybody grow your own crops.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Forget that.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, we're not going to all try to grow these
you know, we're not doing it and divvying it up.
You eat what you grow, you keep what you grow,
and if you got extra, you sell it and you
make money.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Now, yesterday on the talk shows, after a quick mention
of the government shutdown and allowing some Democrats to make
their plead that they were part of the solution or not,
the Republicans were going to grind it to a halt.
For you, it's kind of hard to celebrate the fact
that Republicans are going to shut down the government and
be angry about it when plainly that wasn't the.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Way it worked out.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Now we're back to the Epstein files, and we are
chewing on this like a dog on a bone. Interesting
reversal last night on a truth social post from Donald Trump,
given that he had already reprimanded it was it Nancy
Mace and Marjorie Taylor Green.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
I don't know that he had trust Nancy Mace. Nancy Mace.
I think he's cut loose already. Marjorie Taylor Green got
cut loose over the weekend, maybe Friday. Marjorie Taylor Green
now referred to as Marjorie Trader Green or I did
appreciate his other one, Marjorie Taylor Brown, because green grass
turns brown when it's rotten.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
So we're all about the Epstein files again. The Democrats
are certainly going to run with this one, and NBC
picked it up quickly this morning. What was the other
thing they brought up as very obscure? I forgot when
they talked about first thing this morning. He had to
come to me in a few minutes.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Well, the thing about the Epstein files is that thanks
to the Washington Post. I mean, of all networks or outlets,
the Washington Post did the deep dive, hard work to
find out that Jeffrey Epstein was colluding with Democrats in
twenty nineteen, and they have the evidence proof that Jeffrey
Epstein was working with a Virginia excuse me, Virgin Island

(10:33):
senator basically knowing. I don't know what her personal gain was.
I know that the Virgin Islands received hundreds of millions
of dollars of investments from Epstein, and he in twenty
nineteen was already convicted in twenty fourteen, so he was
known to be one of the world's largest sex predators

(10:55):
of children, dealt in human trafficking, so on and so forth.
He's basically because Hitler's not the greatest mass killer of
all time. Probably MAO was MAO, probably ten xt What
Hitler did with his six million MAO might be over
one hundred million. But Hitler's known as the greatest right,
that's just he's famous for that or infamous. I think

(11:16):
Jeffrey Epstein is the Hitler of child molesters, and Jeffrey
Epstein working with the Democrats after he was convicted to
try to target Trump, he hated Trump, and then, in
a shocking role reversal, the guy who wrote Jeffrey Epstein's
biography spent over one hundred hours interviewing him. When he

(11:37):
was asked on Friday, why did Jeffrey Epstein hate Donald Trump,
he said because he believed that Donald Trump is the
one who called the West Palm Beach Police Department on
him in two thousand and four and got him arrested.
Donald Trump is actually the hero of the story. Donald
Trump is the one that saved young girls. And Donald
Trump doesn't want to let the EYEPS quote unquote files

(12:01):
out there because Donald Trump says, there are names on
there that have nothing to do with sex. And Jeffrey Epstein,
my name's not in there. He already knows his name's
not really in there, and it's pretty provable as to
what extent he is mentioned in there. It has nothing
to do with sex. Better yet, you have how many

(12:22):
girls were in front of the Capitol this summer in September,
and all of them said, Nope, never saw Donald Trump.
Don't know anything about Donald Trump. The Virginia Gilfroy or
whatever her name was, wrote a book before she committed suicide,
talking about all the and specifically said, I've heard a
lot of people ask me about Donald Trump. Never saw

(12:43):
him at any of these parties. So the you know,
as Marjorie Taylor Green said yesterday on CNN, because the
CNN host I forget her name, tried to Dana Bash,
tried to tie Trump back to it, and she says, Anna,
I choose to believe the women, m M. And the
women all say he wasn't there. So no, Donald Trump

(13:04):
is not a pedophile, as you've been putting out here.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
But again, even more recently with Maxwell, with the DOJ
investigation and the transcripts that were released that the Democrats
scoffed at, she was simply trying to gain favor with
Donald Trump so she could get an early release or
some kind of pardon.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, I mean the whole I wish Trump sometimes was
like Reagan in the sense that Reagan was the great communicator.
Everybody understood what Reagan said, and that's why it was
easy for Republicans to defend Ronald Reagan. When Ronald Reagan
would talk about how by lowering taxes, the economy will

(13:48):
get better because there's more money in the pockets of
American people, and when the American people have more money,
they'll spend it in the American economy, and in turn,
that will make businesses more profitable. They will then be
able to hire more people. It's a very easy concept.
The Democrats tried to mock it and call it trickle
down economics and blah blah blah. The American people saw

(14:10):
right through that crap. But when Donald Trump continues to
say the Epstein hoax, I know what he means. I
totally recognize what he's saying. But he's not saying it right.
And so the Epstein is not a hoax. Epstein is
it was a predator who did damage to thousands of

(14:31):
young women. You can't call that a hoax. The hoax
is that the Democrats already know the names of everybody
in the files. They already know that, and they are
the ones who actually redacted after it was released an
email and put out Virginia Gilfoyle's name and then put
the victim. That's what they wrote. They changed the emails.

(14:55):
Why are the Democrats sticking around with the emails.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Like the change the War to go on emails. We've
seen that happen more than once or twice before.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
And they're trying to make it look like Trump was
the guy.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
And if you don't, even for people who aren't even
following the story that closely to know the updates and
all of the ends and the outs, the simple fact
that the Biden administration did not take Trump down with
this in the four years that they controlled all the
levers certainly is proved positive. If they had anything O'donald Trump,
they would have used it at the drop of a hat.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
They were still trying to get him on Russia. Yes,
they tried to get him on anything and everything. And
look for those of you who say, well, I didn't
want to tell it because there was powerful Democrats involved
as well, and I know that's a fun conspiracy theory almost,
it's like it makes you feel like a certain way
to think, oh my gosh, because I've heard several people,

(15:47):
high profile people, you know, people with large followings, kind
of aspurging this idea that if you were to release
the names, mass chaos would ensue around the worlds because
all the governments would collapse because all the government has,
every government, not just the Americans, the Canadians, the English,

(16:09):
the Brazilians, they're all there at these big sex orgies
with the children, and that's the way it goes. And
so then every government would have to declare martial law
and it would just be worldwide chaos. And that's why
Donald Trump's not releasing the names. That's not why Donald
Trump is saying to you. There's probably fifty people in

(16:30):
these things that have nothing to do with any of this,
other than they had dinner with Jeffrey Epstein. Like you said,
he was every person's house in West Palm Beach. Anybody
and everybody Jeffrey Epstein went to their house, they went
to his house. It's a very social place. If you
allow these names to just be put out there and
implicated as somebody who's had sex with children, you're going

(16:53):
to destroy families for no reason.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
And it wasn't awful the way that he turned the
DOJ against Bill Clinton in particular, top ranking Democrats in particular,
and asked Pam Bondy to go after the investigation specifically
with them with the Epstein files. Anyway, I don't know
if you had that happened to see Scott Bessett yesterday

(17:17):
when he made the reference to cattle, and we have
a problem coming because it does take a while for
a calf to grow to a large enough size when
you butcher them for beef. And I though that we've
done a couple of things to make sure that we
can import as much as possible. He did not. He
was not trying to say that illegal immigrants were driving

(17:40):
herds of cattle across the border, no matter what morning
Joe wants you to believe. He because I believe because
of the speech impediment that he suffers with. What he
was saying was is that on top of the fact
that we have a southern border crisis, we also have
a problem with cattle coming across the Southern border. And

(18:01):
those cattle were stopped not when they were being ridden
across the Rio Gram by illegals, but being brought in
by the truckloads through the legal ports of entry because
of a screw worm that has been a problem in
that particular region and has been very contagious throughout cattle.
So we've got a problem with the cattle coming from

(18:23):
that area. He was not saying that the illegal immigrants
were riding them across the Rio Grand And then I
guess hurting them across the border.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
I mean mourning Joe and the libs that are trying
to make it appear as if Scott Bessen was implying
that we're riding cattle across the border, or they're as
dumb as AOC when when she was, you know, asked
for comment on Donald Trump saying we want to stop
the coyotes that are bringing the immigrants over, and she
was like, who could actually believe that coyotes would even

(18:56):
know where the border is? I mean, so, I mean
we have some dumb Democrats.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Oh, I learned something today. As a South Carolinian, I
did not know something happened back in nineteen seventy three
that I wouldn't have read about. I was in middle school,
maybe entering high school, but I would not have known
that there was a significant constitutional change in our court

(19:21):
systems that allowed the Supreme Court justices over how long
was the period here that allowed Supreme Court justices to
be former lawmakers? So previous to that, that was a
problem that you could not go from the General Assembly

(19:43):
into the Supreme Court. They changed that in nineteen seventy three.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Now think about that, what you're saying, because previously the
state constitution expressly forbade lawmakers from becoming Supreme Court justices
understanding that if I I am allowed to write the law,
then I'm allowed to later interpret the law. You've no
longer got a separation. Now you've ended the separation, and

(20:10):
you've actually incentivized corruption. You've incentivized corruption, and somehow in
nineteen seventy three, the legislator said, let's give it a shot.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
I also did not know that Gene tol who I
don't know how long she was the Chief Justice. I
know she's was on the Supreme Court for as long
as I could remember as a South Carolinian, I did
not know that she had absolutely zero experience in the
judicial system. Zero.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Well, I mean she knew judges, she.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Did no judges, and she was a legislator, so she
knew how to write laws.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
That's right. I am a law maker. Who better to
interpret the law the one who wrote the law? Of
course I'm the best. So Gene Tole is the only one,
as far as I know that it has had zero
judicial experience before becoming a Supreme Court member. But now
we have a guy who might become the next Supreme

(21:16):
Court justice who's had a grand total of a year,
and that is Jay Lucas and this is I mean,
all other states look at South Carolina and go WTF. Yeah,
what are y'all doing down there? What is South Carolina thinking?
Because now you're going to have the guy who sat
in the legislature for twenty three years and he's going

(21:37):
to sit there and be approached and here cases from
his former co workers who are representing people at the
Supreme Court level. Oh and oh, by the way, they're
the ones who decide who gets to become the next
Supreme Court justice. It's such an insiders club.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
It's disgusting, particularly given the recent history of some of
the laws that we've written and how it's had to
go to the Supreme Court or was challenged and taken
to the Supreme Court, and then the lawmakers had to
go back and rewrite it in such a way that
it would pass muster either given the Supreme Court's ruling
or given the state constitution, or both. And which brings

(22:15):
us to one of the things that's going to happen tomorrow.
I believe we're going to have another public hearing on
an abortion bill that's going to come to the floor
on the Senate. I know that it's already had a
subcommittee hearing in the House. It did not go to
the House floor, if I remember correctly, for an absent
for a vote. So we don't have any legislation pending

(22:37):
as of yet that the Senate would take up. But
this abortion bill would be even more restrictive than the
current six week heartbeat bill. So that's going to guarantee
end up to be challenged to go to the Supreme Court.
Now we've got lawmakers who were sitting on the Supreme Court.
They're going to make the argument they're arguing, they're making

(22:57):
an argument that they in fact are impartial. This is
going to be awkward when it gets to this position.
Not only we're going to have a very heated conversation
about another abortion bill, we're then going to take it
to a Supreme Court where we have people who were
former legislators.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Well, I mean, for like twenty years, the only Supreme
Court justices we had were former legislators. So right now
we are in a very brief one year window where
every Supreme Court justice in South Carolina is not a
former legislator. That's the first time since nineteen seventy three. Again,
we have several people to choose from and again, we

(23:42):
don't choose them. The legislator chooses them. So the legislature
is looking at somebody named Gary Hill, former Circuit Court
of Appeals judge. We got somebody named George James, former
Circuit Court judge. We got somebody with the last name
a few, and those three have no legislative experience. They're

(24:03):
just judges. There've been lawyers and judges their whole lives.
Then you got Jay Lucas, who's got one year of
experience in twenty three years of chump chump chumming around
with these people. So when the people decide which of
the four should we choose, I've known you for twenty
five years. I never met you guys who's got the

(24:23):
inside track.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
And we've heard every candidate running for the governor's office
say that the JMSC needs to go. We need to
go back, not just on the magistrate level now, as
plainly this article from the Nerve points out, we have
to completely overhaul the way that our judges are nominated
and appointed at minimum, and then possibly have these judges

(24:49):
be in an elected position. So this just smells the
high heaven. I had no idea since nineteen seventy three.
I had no idea.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Think about what you always say, Jonathan. There's a movie
I don't even remember the movie that you like to quote,
but the guy says, I don't need a good lawyer.
What I need is a good judge exactly. And these
are lawyers for the most part. The people picking the
judges are the lawyers. They decide which judge do I want?
How nice of a what a nice luxury to have,

(25:20):
Which is why people always say, Look, you may not
like the system, but if you want to beat a case,
hire one of these legislators.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
I did not have a quote from True Grit on
the Bingo card today.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
That's the movie True Grit. I don't need a good lawyer,
I just need a good judge.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Well said
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