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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Jonathan and Kelly Show. Jonathan Rush, the lesson.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
That they're learning is that Democrats arena and next time
we just need to hurt for king people are working
Americans more.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Kelly Nash, I'm furious with the senators who decided to
bail on us. There may be another opportunity in January
when this CR expires.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
The Jonathan and Kelly Show, Well, we have that to
look forward to after we get through the holidays. The
Democrats may have an opportunity to bring Americans back to
the knees like aoc one. It bet it happened at
the end of January when this CR, as he said, expires.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I mean, it's very interesting that anybody ever votes Democrat
again after what they did to Americans during COVID. But
some people like the pain.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Well, we got more pain we can talk about in
segment three for swamp Talk. Also this week, we had
an opportunity to talk a little bit about what's going
on under the umbrella of SC two fifty. We'll share
that with you in segment four, little educational segment and
Big Week four or the JMSC in several ways. We'll
talk specifically about what I'm calling now the SCSCSC.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Throwing around a lot of letters here this morning.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
The South Carolina Supreme Court, seemingly corrupt system. We can
get into that. This week we also had an opportunity
to welcome on the phone at Lieutenant Governor Pamela Ebbitt.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Good morning, my friends. Are you all getting ready happy Thanksgiving?
Because I won't be tucking to you guys next week?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, no, We're gonna have a short week like so
many other people. You guys have got any big plans
for you?
Speaker 5 (01:29):
I am cooking for twenty two people at my house.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Wait a minute, you're cooking. You didn't say I'm running
for governor. For God's sake, somebody.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Else cooked this as a mom. It's kind of my
happy place. Like on Wednesday, I'll start baking all my
pies and I make an amazing butterscotch funk cake, and
I start pre mixing all my size and putting them
in the refrigerator, and I'll wake up right and early
on Thanksgiving morning.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Well, if I were you on the campaign trail, behind
the bus would be the Pamela Ebbitt food truck. Do
you trying to.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Raise some money for the campaign? You just have a
bank sale.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Now that's a great idea.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Let's talk about being on the campaign trail as the
lieutenant governor, but also in particular running for the governor's office.
I want to ask you specifically first about one of
the things making the news this week, but the redistricting.
What are you thinking about the possibility because of redistricting.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Well, you know what, if you can guarantee me by
breaking up that one district that we're not going to
put any other districts at risk, I am all for it,
but I would be I'm an accountant, so I kind
of look at the numbers. I don't know how you
slice that up. You'd be taking conservative votes from two
other districts. You would be giving those districts more blue votes,
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so you'd be purpling three districts. I think the DNC
would love nothing more than to dump a pile of
money into South Carolina. Now I'm just talking strategy, I'm
not talking feelings. Right, let's talks and then we can
talk feelings. The facts are that the Democrats would come
in and look to pump a lot of money into
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getting more representation from South Carolina. So that would scare me.
A little bit. If you could show me facts wise
how you could cut that up and we would have
a clean sweep on Republicans. I would lead the band
on that. Anything I can do to make sure that
the president has more representation in DC by Republicans, I
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would do.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
We're talking with our Lieutenant Governor, Pamela Evitt and the
idea of redistricting. We do live in a sixty to
forty state, meaning about sixty percent of South Carolinians voted
for Trump, forty percent voted for Kamala Harris. It's the
exact opposite in Massachusetts, and in Massachusetts they haven't had
a Republican representative in many, many years. California is very
similar in the sense that about forty percent of Californians
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voted for Donald Trump, and their voters just voted to
break their own constitution and have a redistricting happened right
now because they don't want to have Republicans represented out
there now. When you're talking about like our districts, I
know two of the three right off the top of
my head would be Joe Wilson and Russell Frye. Russell
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fries only had one election he won that big time
he won sixty five percent of the vote. Joe Wilson
typically around sixty percent of the vote as well, that
they could both lose a little bit of Republican support.
I think the thing that really ticks off a lot
of Republicans about James Cliburn is that he does represent
South Carolina, which is an overwhelmingly read state, and not
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only is he elected year after year, he's like not
even challenged. He is like a king maker, is what
they call him. This guy's one of the most powerful
people in DC, and he shouldn't even be allowed to
be comfortable in his seat. It should at least feel
like he has to fight to keep it every year.
Because he doesn't feel like he has to fight for it,
he can be as liberal and as crazy as he
wants to be.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
I agree with you on all those points, and I
feel bad for the Republicans that are in there that
probably feels super defeated and they don't come out and vote,
which troubbly makes our dismal primary turnout what it is
because they just think it's not going to make a difference.
You know, Russell Fry is solid and doing such a
great job. Now you bought of Russell's district. I guess
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I was thinking more it would be into SD one.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Well, yeah, I was thinking it's one seven and Wilson's
in two. Those would be the three that they would
be touching. Now I just looked up Nancy May. She
won fifty eight point two percent of the vote in
the last election. That seems like it's a pretty safe seat.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Well again, is it because in those districts? And I'm
just throwing what if? Because I think when you start
talking about these things, there has to be a strategy
involved in it. So the Democrats and those districts not
come out because they don't feel like it's going to help.
And what does that do if you change the mix
and the DNC comes in and throws a bunch of
money at those districts? Would that change the makeup of
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who shows up to vote? Well that's why I'm saying,
we could all the numbers, and I hope somebody has
done this. I have not. I've just kind of looked
at the map and said, ooh, what could happen here
if somebody could actually put numbers to paper and figure
out what makes it a better district for us? In
a Representative Cliburn's district. Then I would say, okay, let's
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do it if we feel like we have done the homework.
But if we can't say that with all certainty, we're
going to end up having to face the DNC and
the money that they will bring in to try to
turn that around.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
It sure would be nice to at least have Clyburn
have to check his rhetoric a little bit in order
to win an election.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
These are one of these things that I just feel
proud that South Carolina sent so many Republicans to help
out Donald Trump. You look at states like you mentioned Massachusetts,
and you think, like, how did it get that way?
Democrats they're melting down over this idea of Texas redistricting,
but they've been doing it for years. You see it
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in California, see it in Massachusetts. They have been jerrymandering
this to where Republicans get no voice at the DC level.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
You know, one of the things I'm always pushing about
two things, water and electricity. I was very excited to
see where there are servers now being built. I've forgotten
which status in actually has a cooling system that does
not depend on sucking water out from under the feet
of South Carolinians and so that we're able to cool
these things with modern technology and cool its in the like.
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But also a lot of these farms are going to
have their own self contained generation of power. I'm hoping
that as we move forward that we'll be able to
take advantage of that and actually legislate it so that
we do protect our state's resources. Given that you do
not serve in the legislator, how are we going to
be able to get these legislat tours to have a
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long term vision.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
First, let's talk about the cooling system. So I was
in Spartanburg a few weeks ago. Spartanburg has a data center.
It's the second highest tax revenue generator in the county.
They rely strictly on natural gas. Their data center does
not rely on electricity, so it's not draining on the
grid and uses fans to do its cooling system instead
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of water. So that technology is being Spartanberg. Kudos to
them for bringing all the latest technology. I was in
d about a month ago talking about this exact topic,
hearing from a lot of experts in the field talking
about how technology continues to get better and better and
we are using less and less electricity in data centers
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and less and less water Santi Cooper. The good thing
about Santi Cooper is the money that's coming with all
private investment dollars and not a burden to the tax payers.
As the bild is happening, there's a couple differences in
nuances that didn't happen the very first time round.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Smoking with Pamela Evitt, Lieutenant Governor. And I'm not intentionally
trying to put you at odds with the governor, but
a lot of us were perplexed last week when Henry
McMaster was asked about Scout Motors, and specifically Scout Motors
had decided to open their headquarters in Charlotte and not
here in north South Carolina, where we've given them one
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point three billion dollars and incentives to be here. And
they are going to open up their plant and they
are going to employ thousands of people, and we all
understand that, but apparently the white collar jobs, the big
dollar jobs, they're all going to go to Charlotte. And
when he was asked about it, he said something to
the extent of it would have been nice to have
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their headquarters in South Carolina, but We're a blue collar
manufacturing state, and that seems to really diminish. Like the
people coming out of Darlamore School of Business is supposed
to be some of the finest executives in the world,
some of the best business brains on the planet Earth,
and the idea that they couldn't fill jobs here in
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South Carolina with that seems rather in to a lot
of us.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Well, I think that's very disappointing for me too. When
it comes to advanced manufacturing, South Carolina, we do it
the best in the world, and it's large in part
to our amazing technical college system, which we've all talked
about and how blessed we are to have them here.
But I'm very excited about the diversification of opportunity here.
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I was down in Palmeto Bluff. I was on a
panel talking to this life science community, whether it be research,
whether it be innovation when it comes to new techniques
in the medical world, and these companies are looking at
South Carolina and these are high paying jobs. You see
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what's happening with University of South Carolina and their Brain
Center that's being built prepared to do a lot of
research where it comes to Parkinson's and all timers and
all brain related ailments. That brings a lot of talent,
a lot of white collar talent to the table keeping
our best and rightest here. When you look at what's
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happening with MUSC Children's Hospital and Saint Jude partnering up
with them to bring research here on brain tumors in children,
I mean, these are all great paying jobs. The world
has seen that not only can we build the coolest
things in the world here in South Carolina, but we
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have the talent to break through to all different industries.
And I've been talking a lot about since I announced
my run for governor, how I see a big, bold
dream for the state of South Carolina. And I feel
like our college and universities are pumping out the best
and brightest. I don't care what industry you're in, You're
going to look at South Carolina because of the talent
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we have here.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
As we look forward to next week, given that you
are not only a Clemson fan, but a Tiger mom,
how is it that you're going to be able to
support the Tigers next Saturday while not being concerned about
losing your game?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
COG vote.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
You know, my dad went to USC school law, my
son is at Clemson, my husband's a Clemson guy. I
consider myself an equal opportunity tuition payer. So what I'm
going to do where South Carolina blue, and I am
going to enjoy the game. I think we should all
go there, have a great time and realize that here
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in South Carolina there's a lot of things we disagree on,
but we all love college football. Well what about this Saturday.
We have Clemson playing Furman, we have USC playing Coastal. Like,
we're just playing all of our own teams this week.
So you know what South Carolina teams are going to
be winning this week.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
That's awesome Wenesday, That's why we're winners.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Now, I did have to edit that interview. You can
hear the entire interview with our Lieutenant governor and gubernatorial
hopeful of Pamela Evatt on our podcast.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
You just need to go to the iHeartRadio app and
put in rash thought.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
All right, we're going to get back into what's going
to be acronym Segment two the SCSCSC JMSC coming.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Up the Jonathan and Kelly Show.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Jonathan Rush James Comer apparently made the representation on the
floor of the House, that I sat down with Jeffrey Epstein,
had dinner with Jeffrey Epstein, have contributions from Jeffrey Epstein.
He's a stone cold liar. Kelly Nash, the keen Jeffrey's
campaign solicited money from Jeffrey Epstein. That's what we found
in the last document.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Back Jonathan and Kelly show now today, and reminder we
record this on Friday for Saturday broadcast today. I think
the narrative has changed. We've we switched over from the
Epstein files and now we're over to the fact that
Donald Trump has called for the execution of six Democrat lawmakers.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Is that what he did?
Speaker 4 (13:42):
That's what they're saying.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yeah, I mean, it's so funny how they try to
spend these things. And if you were found guilty, you
should be executed. That is the actual It's kind of
like when you know, if oj Simpson had been found
guilty of murdering Nicole, it would have been proper for
him to be put to death.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
All right.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
We can get into more of that coming up in
segment three. It's been a big week apparently the JMSC
Judicial Merit Selection Committee, the General Assembly has been in hearings,
and they're talking about all kinds of judge positions from
the Supreme Court all the way down appellate courts and
the like, and a lot of judges are being judged,
and then we'll be appointed, and we'll go through the JMSC,
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which has come under scrutiny by everybody who's running for
governor in the state of South Carolina. This process has
to change. We got an interesting history. Note at the
beginning of the week, I did not realize that back
in nineteen seventy three, the General Assembly then made amendments
to the state Constitution that then allowed former lawmakers to
actually become then Supreme Court justice.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yeah, that's a horrible idea that we I mean, we
knew enough to not allow that originally. And then I
don't know what they were thinking in nineteen seventy three,
but somebody got crazy around here and said, why don't
we allow the legislator, which is again the legislation cures
filled with attorneys who are going to end up arguing
cases in front of judges. Let them decide who the
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Supreme Court justices will be. They'll vote on it. And
then do you think that those Supreme Court justices would
be thankful and appreciative of these people who I mean
the tit for tat around here. It's getting crazy.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
The appellate court judges and the like, and the judges
that these attorneys will find themselves arguing cases in front
of will somehow be swayed by the fact that we
have this row one because of you, possibly, as we
now add to our acronym the JMSCSCSC, the South Carolina
Supreme Court seemingly corrupt, seemingly corrupt, and that it certainly
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would give you the appearance that there may be some improprieties.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Well, and yes, in the fact that you know we're
now we're now allowing people who were who have no experience.
I've never been a judge, but I'd like to start
at the Supreme Court level. And my only qualitylification is
I was a legislator. And then the legislators go, you
know what, out of all the nominees, I liked this
guy the best because I've known him for like ten
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fifteen years. And then that's how they become the Supreme
Court judge.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
You know, embarrassingly, as a born and raised South Carolinian
who didn't know about the constitutional change in nineteen seventy three.
I didn't even realize that one of our more highly
acclaimed Supreme Court Chief Justices, Gene Toll, had absolutely no
legislative well, very little legislative experience going into a position.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
She had a legislative experience, she didn't have legal experiences.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
So she had very little legal experience going into her
position on the Supreme Court and then ended up being
the Chief Justice.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
She had never been a judge zero. And the guy
who's the front runner right now has had a grand
total of about eleven months of being a judge. And
so that is unbelievable that just because I was the
former Speaker of the House, I guess you know, by
eleven months of being a judge in some Beckwoods town,
that ought to be enough. That ought to do it.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Now, speaking of Gene Toll, because we had to look
it up, I did not know. I have not sent
her a birthday card. I don't know how old she was.
But according to the article here in the Posting Courier,
it's been widely understood that Supreme Court constitution prohibits judges
on the Supreme Court from serving past the age of
seventy two. I think that she was a little older
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than that. Yes, she was. Now we're going to actually argue,
and I don't even know which judge ends up making
the decision on this, because certainly we'll hand it off
to someone who used to be in the General Assembly
and now will find favor, possibly for former House Speaker
Jay Lucas, an attorney and career politician with only one
year of judicial experience, as we talked about before, but
he insists that the age limit of seventy two is
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not the case.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
It's just you can't start serving after seventy two, or
because you're already in at seventy one, you could serve
to two hundred, like Gene Toll, which doesn't make any
sense at all.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
I guess with the JMSC hearings that continue this week
and we'll be talking more about that as we learn
more about the selections. Through that process, we'll be able
to look at this top the bottom again and then
also maybe can hear more information from our hopefuls for
the Governor's Office, who, as a reminder, have absolutely no
authority over the General Assembly.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
We live in Crazyville, Jonathan, we really do. In the
fact that we have not yet reformed this after seeing
the problems that all these legislative attorneys are creating in
South Carolina. It's unbelievable that they get to pick the
judges and then they themselves get to become the judges.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
And just in recent history, how many times we've seen
laws written by the General Assembly end up being challenged
to the Supreme Court. Then they get they put footnotes
on the law on how to go back and rewrite it.
That's the way they look. Apparently, that's what it does. Like, Hey,
good to see you again, Bill, listen on this one here.
In order to get this one by, we're going to
need to do this, that and the other thing.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Now.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
We will have more news as the JMSC wraps up
its hearings this week, and I'm sure we'll have an
opportunity to speak with our gubernatorial hopefuls on what they
would like to see now how they get that actual
leveraged through the General Assembly. Those guys over there don't
like to relinquish the grip they have on power.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
That a little tight. You better hold on loosely. As
thirty eight Special said, Okay.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
We're gonna get in some interesting conversations just a second
from DC in our Swamp Talk.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Segment and Kelly Show, Jonathan Rush.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
And let me be very clear about Stacey Plaski. She's
a woman of great intelligence and a woman of great integrity.
She deserves the opportunity to be heard.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Kelly Nash and I began to get innumerable text and
I got a text from Jeffrey Epstein, who at the
time was my constituent, who was not public knowledge at
that time that he was under federal investigation.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
And Kelly Show, wait, we learned this week in multiple
hearings or multiple explanations, there's a sliding timeline here, Kelly,
the time is not absolute apparently, okay for Democrat delegates
such as Stacy Plackin or actual voting members. That we
heard from Jasmine.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
You know, ironically, so plask It, as I think we
all know by now, was again thanks to the Washington Post.
They did the leg work and they found this out
that she was texting in real time at the twenty
nineteen Michael Cohen testimony. What should she say? She doesn't
know what to say, the fact that she's an intelligent woman,
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blah blah, I don't know what to say. I don't
know what to ask him. Can you help me, Michael,
or can you help me? Jeffrey Epstein known child predator
because he had already been convicted in two thousand and
seven and the year previous to this testimony. In twenty eighteen,
the Miami Herald ran an interview with fifty Epstein victims.
The fact that she claims she didn't know there was
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a federal investigation. I guess you can claim ignorance, but
you had to know something was happening. You just don't
have the Miami Herald and then CNN and NBC and
all your favorite liberal networks talking about Jeffrey Epstein being
involved with up to fifty different children and nothing is
going to happen. But he's just some random constituent who's
texting with me, and we're supposed to just let that slide.
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At the same time, in Democrat speak, Donald Trump, who
hasn't had a photograph with him and Jeffrey Epstein in
about thirty years. That's enough to send him to prison
for the rest of his life just being in a
photograph with the guy.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
You know, she's not a voting member because she's a
delegate from the Virgin Islands. But she loves to be
and she can be appointed obviously to subcommittees, and she
loves to be on them. And you can always tell
when she's questioning anyone. She's reading questions that her staff
has written for her, and in this case, she's getting
live from a constituent. It wouldn't be great if we
had an opportunity to have our representative phone numbers so
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that when we see them live on television, we could
text in questions for them to ask.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Well, we have several of their numbers, but I doubt
if any of them would even look at the phone,
never mind respond to it and do what we asked.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
You know, ever's constituent would love to have that number
as well, wouldn't they to make sure that their concerns
are her. But she's got a select group of people
that she allows on her phone.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Well, she's saying, you know, if I'm trying to take
the bigger picture of it, she's claiming that as a
former prosecutor, I often have to deal with very unseemly
people because that's how deals are cut. And so I
find out that, you know, convict A has dirt on
soon to be convict B. We'll take that info. And
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so that's kind of what she was trying to imply there,
the difference being here that Jeffrey Epstein is all the convicts,
and what you're trying to come up with is in
you already knew. See, this is the thing that I
think people forget to remember. They knew. The Democrats already
knew that Donald Trump was not guilty of anything they
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were accusing him of. That wasn't a question did Donald
Trump conspire with Russia against us? They knew in twenty
sixteen he hadn't conspired with Russia, So they created a
BS narrative that they could then spoon feed to people
like More Socialism now formerly known as ms DNC and
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let him say he might have been conspiring with the
Russians against us. But they knew that that wasn't real.
So everything she's asking Michael Cohen, she knows Michael Cohen's lying,
and she's like, I got to get some more dirt,
give me some names. Oh, who's Roona? Rona is okay,
So now Rona is going down. We're just making up
crap over here.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
And the sad thing is is that although we have
seen it play out for years and years. Now that
MS now, as you mentioned MS thirteen now.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Is that week, Well, I've now changed them to more
socialism now, Okay, more socialism.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Now has always picked up the narrative because they get
the talking points emailed over from the DNC. Now it's
gotten even worse because on top of the Stacey Platkins thing,
you hear Jasmine Crockett making these statements that she knows
she's going to use this five second statement on her
social media, which will be repeated. So they're getting to
the point where they don't even need the fifteen second
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explanation narrative to be used on their news channels that
are favorable to them, because they can simply put out
a headline like Zelder getting contributions from a Jeffrey Epstein.
You can put out that headline in the six second
plorab on social media. It's going to get repeated, repeated,
repeat to repeated, and there is never a page six
with a correction on that.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Well, and it's interesting that she was on you're mentioning Crockett.
She was on I think it was CNN. Was it
Caitlyn Collins she was talking to, and you know, Kate,
she went through a little laundry list of who else
got money from aight, and she's very technical the way
she said it, Well, who else got money from a
Jeffrey Epstein? And she went through a list of high
profile Republicans, including Trump administration official Lee Zelden, And she's like, yeah,
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but Leezelden said that that's not the Jeffrey Epstein, it's
a doctor Jeffrey Epstein from Long Island. And she's like, well,
I never claimed that it was the Jeffrey Epstein. It
just said a Jeffrey Epstein. I never tried to mislead
people like they do. And you know, Caitlyn Collins is
like staring at her, like are you are you serious?
And then and then Lee's Elden comes out with the
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information that when she googled that information about who gave
to my campaigns, that the twenty twenty three donation to
the Lee Zelden for Governor campaign would have been clearly
not made from the Jeffrey Epstein, as he'd been dead
for four years at that point.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Well, I'm sure by now, since this broadcast on Saturday
morning and we recorded on Friday, the narrative has changed.
Actually it changed today. I believe that we're not going
to talk about the Epstein files for a while. You
get a reprieve from all that conversation because now Donald
trumpet's call for the public execution of publicly elected Democrat officials.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
You know, isn't it the Democrats who always say things
like words matter, and so you know, it's funny because
words don't have definitions anymore for them, but the words matter.
So this is what Donald Trump said. He retweeted the
Washington Examiner story talking about the Democrat veterans in Congress
are now urging service members to refuse unspecified what they
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classify as unlawful orders. That's the headline. Okay, he writes,
this is really bad and dangerous to our country. Their
words cannot be allowed to stand. Sedacious behavior from traders.
Lock them up, President DJT. So he's accusing them of
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seditious behavior. If it is seditious behavior, they should be
locked up at minimum then an hour and thirty minutes
later he tweets out or posts they call him truth.
He truth socialed seditious behavior is punishable by death and
that is just a legit fact, much like.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
The facts we've heard described by people like uh well,
Jensaki having an interview with one of them on Thursday night,
when they said, and reiterated again to our current serving militaries,
you should not follow you cannot follows an illegal, unlawful order.
That's a fact. They're only stating a fact. They don't
have anything specific they're warning against. They're using vague verbiage
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that Donald Trump, as they interpreted, has claimed that he
will use the military in particular with cities like Chicago
and the like. So they're very concerned and they want
to make sure and reiterate because a shour oath to
the Constitution as well, Kelly, because they served in the
military or in some cases in our intelligence communities.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yeah. I mean, this is a horrible straw man that
they're holding up for people and trying to insert some
doubt in the military members' minds. I would guess if
I was to try to figure out what was in
the mind of these Democrats, what they're most offended about
is the idea of deporting illegal aliens. That you're using
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the US military inside cities in America and you're targeting
illegal aliens and then you're going to deport them and
that's what they're going to call an unlawful order, when
in fact that order is actually defending the constitution of
the United States. But if you're one of these bleeding
hearts that are like, but there, you know what, this
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is not the worst of the worst. They're just here working, well,
you know what they should be deported to. And the
reason why they're stealing an American's birthright those jobs that
they're undercutting people on those jobs were fought for. Somebody
paid the price for that person to become an American,
and the Americans should have got it, and instead it
went to an illegal alien at a far lower price.
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And that is bad for America.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Well, their conversations and their defense of their statement because
of the vague illegal possibly orders of Donald Trump, commander
in chief, backed up this week by the judge who's
now calling for the federal troops to be removed from Washington,
d C. So again with the using of the military
in an illegal fashion. Although I do like the fact
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that they are claiming they're only stating a fact when,
as Donald Trump pointed out, sedition behavior is punishable at minimum,
locked up, at worse, you could be hung. That is
in fact a true statement as well.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Well, he did call for their hanging. He didn't even
mention the word hanging. He just said punishable by death.
That's all he said. They then started adding their own
narratives to it. He wants us hung in the streets,
publicly executed. That's not what he said. I would say.
In illegal order is the one that Joe Biden gave
back during COVID ordering, demanding as the commander in chief
that all military members receive some never before tried medication.
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You got to take this COVID vaccine. People refused that
order and then they were kicked out of the military.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Was it an illegal order where Barack Obama droned what
ended up being a total of four US citizens killed.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Yes, that was an illegal order, as was the exchange
for bau Burgdal. That was found to be in illegal order,
that the military members who exchanged the five Taliban prisoners
in exchange for bau Burgdhal had violated the law. Now,
nothing happened to those soldiers, but the illegal order was
given by Barack Obama. You can only imagine what would
have happened if any military members had said not following
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that order. President Obama.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Well, I guess because he did publicly apologize, does that
make it all square?
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Now, that's not how that works.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Before we wrap up this program for this week, we
have an opportunity to share subduce. This is only one
aspect of things You'll be hearing more from from SC
to fifty and you can always use the SC two
to fifty dot com web page for more information. We
have some interesting South Carolina history notes as we look
forward to a great celebration year of the Revolutionary War
and our state's contributions to it.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Next the Jonathan and Kelly Show, Jonathan Rush, we have
nothing to do with Epstein and Democrats too.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
All of his friends were.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Democrats, Kelly Nash, Larry Summers, Bill Clinton. They went to
his island all the time. Many of this oil democrats.
Jonathan and Kelly Show.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
I do feel sorry for all the staffers for the
Senators and the House members who'll be spending most of
their holidays going through this incredibly long document dump. As
we continue to read more about the Epstein files.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I've been pretty clear my position on that for months
has been there's no more to find, and they're going
to be, you know, like that guy Larry Summers and stuff.
We already knew all that crap about Larry Summers. I
don't think that you're going to hear a whole lot
of new names or new anythings. I know Americans are
desperate for it. This has been a political game that's
been played now since twenty nineteen, and both sides have
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played it. But it's all coming out now.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
It is November in South Carolina and we're starting to
see and hear more about SC two fifty. There are
more opportunities fore to learn about the Revolutionary War, in
particular how the Palmetto State played a part in it.
And there's a lot of different aspects which leads us
to this interview we had earlier in the week, Kelly Nash,
Welcome to the studio, Drew Dwayne Gadson. Good to have you.
Speaker 7 (31:53):
Here, sir, good to be here. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
We were speaking not too long ago. It's our superintendent
of Education. I had no idea what to have an
opportunity to have you in the studio because she was
bragging about not just the SC two fifty campaign, which
is gathering a lot of celebration going into the coming year,
but also getting our kids more involved in South Carolina history.
Now remind me again your exact title.
Speaker 7 (32:17):
I am the Director of Student and Community Engagement. It's
a newly vetted office. I actually stood it up back
in December of last year. I have two superstar ladies
that worked for me. Carla Renfro who handles are basically
initiatives with community and how they engage with the schools,
and Mandy Robbers Mandy Robberts handles are what we call
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Character and Resilience Education Compendium. So there's a bulk of
resources and one of those resources is what we have
the beauty of talking about today our African American History
calendar as well.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
And that's going to be coming out what December second.
Speaker 7 (32:53):
December second is our unveiling and we are excited about
it for so many reasons. I mean, number one is
a great educational tool. But we moved it this year
from the Koger Center on the USC's campus to Richland
to performing ourselves.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Oh, I know that building is where my wife's works
and we're trying to fill it up. So this is
open to the public. It is open to the public.
We encourage, you know, teachers not to just come, but
bring your classes if we're also streaming the event on
our YouTube channel. We want the full state.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Now you referenced it as a calendar, it's the lynch
pin of where people can use this as a reference
going forward.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
You are correct. This year's calendar is there as well
as every preceding year's calendar is at Scafricanamerican dot com,
but anybody can access that.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
We're talking with Dwayne Gatson, and you are the director
of Student and Community Engagement at South Carolina Department of Education.
One of the things you were saying off the air,
which I found interesting, is you have found there's a
lot of South Carolinians who want to help, who want
to be a part of the solution, but they're not
really sure how to engage. And your office is really
about trying to connect those people.
Speaker 7 (34:02):
And I think in part that's part of the brilliance
of Superintendent Ellen Weaver too. She noticed early in her
tenure that as she traversed the state that there are
a lot of people are just like, how can I help,
but they didn't have an on ramp. My office serves
as that on ramp to get them into the schools.
So we have what's called Project Raise your hand. Carlo
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Renfro is in charge of that program. That way, we've
already identified the needs schools have, what their needs are,
and we're identifying the resources in the community that can
meet those needs.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
Now, you talked about getting the program into the schools.
One of the things that, if I remember correctly, she
was excited about was talking about how our state is
actually a classroom that we want to get them out
of the classroom and get them to historical sites.
Speaker 7 (34:47):
Oh yes, And it speaks to even the title of
this upcoming year's calendar revolutionary, and it goes a whole
lot deeper than just understanding the sssor centennial aspect of it,
going from the American revolution and Revolutionary War and forward,
because it's revolutionary in the way that we've transcended through
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our African American history, culture, education, and just since the community.
And we're tying that into the preamble as well and
bringing out the richness of the ideals of the nation
which land neatly on freedom and liberty.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
So this SC two to fifty year is not only
a great opportunity for South Carolina as well as the
nation to celebrate the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary. Yes,
but this really gives you an opportunity to share the
spotlight with something that has been available through your office
that most of us didn't even know was available. And
I'm excited to know now that I can learn more
through you. Well.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Dwayne gas and director of a Student and Community Engagement
at South Carolina Department of Education. Two final thoughts. One,
if people are interested in going December two to the
R two I two building, what do they need to do?
And two? How will they be able to access this
calendar that you're talking about?
Speaker 7 (35:59):
Actually, and thank you for that opportunity. December second, the
doors will open at five thirty. We also will showcase
some of our schools culinary arts programs throughout four districts. Here,
student chefs make cuisine that is pretty much born and
bred in South Carolina as well as you know. Stay
tuned to the website Scafricanamerican dot com Scafricanamerican dot com.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
And we did edit that interview, so if you'd like
to hear the entire interview, you can always go to
our podcast. We'll be posted up Monday through Thursday.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Yeah, the rast Thought podcast is free to download on
the Free app known as the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
South Carolina comes together today. The deal in the garnet
collide as we begin our best gamecock coverage on WVOC
at one o'clock.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Today, and we'll be on that show with you as
well for Fantalk Good.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Cocks Jonathan N. Kelly Show. That is our broadcast. Thank
you for being here with us. I'll show myself out
until we meet again.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
That's the way it is.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
WO see
Welcome to the Jonathan and Kelly Show. Jonathan Rush, the lesson.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
That they're learning is that Democrats arena and next time
we just need to hurt for king people are working
Americans more.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Kelly Nash, I'm furious with the senators who decided to
bail on us. There may be another opportunity in January
when this CR expires.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
The Jonathan and Kelly Show, Well, we have that to
look forward to after we get through the holidays. The
Democrats may have an opportunity to bring Americans back to
the knees like aoc one. It bet it happened at
the end of January when this CR, as he said, expires.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I mean, it's very interesting that anybody ever votes Democrat
again after what they did to Americans during COVID. But
some people like the pain.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Well, we got more pain we can talk about in
segment three for swamp Talk. Also this week, we had
an opportunity to talk a little bit about what's going
on under the umbrella of SC two fifty. We'll share
that with you in segment four, little educational segment and
Big Week four or the JMSC in several ways. We'll
talk specifically about what I'm calling now the SCSCSC.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Throwing around a lot of letters here this morning.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
The South Carolina Supreme Court, seemingly corrupt system. We can
get into that. This week we also had an opportunity
to welcome on the phone at Lieutenant Governor Pamela Ebbitt.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Good morning, my friends. Are you all getting ready happy Thanksgiving?
Because I won't be tucking to you guys next week?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, no, We're gonna have a short week like so
many other people. You guys have got any big plans
for you?
Speaker 5 (01:29):
I am cooking for twenty two people at my house.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Wait a minute, you're cooking. You didn't say I'm running
for governor. For God's sake, somebody.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Else cooked this as a mom. It's kind of my
happy place. Like on Wednesday, I'll start baking all my
pies and I make an amazing butterscotch funk cake, and
I start pre mixing all my size and putting them
in the refrigerator, and I'll wake up right and early
on Thanksgiving morning.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Well, if I were you on the campaign trail, behind
the bus would be the Pamela Ebbitt food truck. Do
you trying to.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Raise some money for the campaign? You just have a
bank sale.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Now that's a great idea.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Let's talk about being on the campaign trail as the
lieutenant governor, but also in particular running for the governor's office.
I want to ask you specifically first about one of
the things making the news this week, but the redistricting.
What are you thinking about the possibility because of redistricting.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Well, you know what, if you can guarantee me by
breaking up that one district that we're not going to
put any other districts at risk, I am all for it,
but I would be I'm an accountant, so I kind
of look at the numbers. I don't know how you
slice that up. You'd be taking conservative votes from two
other districts. You would be giving those districts more blue votes,
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so you'd be purpling three districts. I think the DNC
would love nothing more than to dump a pile of
money into South Carolina. Now I'm just talking strategy, I'm
not talking feelings. Right, let's talks and then we can
talk feelings. The facts are that the Democrats would come
in and look to pump a lot of money into
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getting more representation from South Carolina. So that would scare me.
A little bit. If you could show me facts wise
how you could cut that up and we would have
a clean sweep on Republicans. I would lead the band
on that. Anything I can do to make sure that
the president has more representation in DC by Republicans, I
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would do.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
We're talking with our Lieutenant Governor, Pamela Evitt and the
idea of redistricting. We do live in a sixty to
forty state, meaning about sixty percent of South Carolinians voted
for Trump, forty percent voted for Kamala Harris. It's the
exact opposite in Massachusetts, and in Massachusetts they haven't had
a Republican representative in many, many years. California is very
similar in the sense that about forty percent of Californians
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voted for Donald Trump, and their voters just voted to
break their own constitution and have a redistricting happened right
now because they don't want to have Republicans represented out
there now. When you're talking about like our districts, I
know two of the three right off the top of
my head would be Joe Wilson and Russell Frye. Russell
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fries only had one election he won that big time
he won sixty five percent of the vote. Joe Wilson
typically around sixty percent of the vote as well, that
they could both lose a little bit of Republican support.
I think the thing that really ticks off a lot
of Republicans about James Cliburn is that he does represent
South Carolina, which is an overwhelmingly read state, and not
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only is he elected year after year, he's like not
even challenged. He is like a king maker, is what
they call him. This guy's one of the most powerful
people in DC, and he shouldn't even be allowed to
be comfortable in his seat. It should at least feel
like he has to fight to keep it every year.
Because he doesn't feel like he has to fight for it,
he can be as liberal and as crazy as he
wants to be.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
I agree with you on all those points, and I
feel bad for the Republicans that are in there that
probably feels super defeated and they don't come out and vote,
which troubbly makes our dismal primary turnout what it is
because they just think it's not going to make a difference.
You know, Russell Fry is solid and doing such a
great job. Now you bought of Russell's district. I guess
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I was thinking more it would be into SD one.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Well, yeah, I was thinking it's one seven and Wilson's
in two. Those would be the three that they would
be touching. Now I just looked up Nancy May. She
won fifty eight point two percent of the vote in
the last election. That seems like it's a pretty safe seat.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Well again, is it because in those districts? And I'm
just throwing what if? Because I think when you start
talking about these things, there has to be a strategy
involved in it. So the Democrats and those districts not
come out because they don't feel like it's going to help.
And what does that do if you change the mix
and the DNC comes in and throws a bunch of
money at those districts? Would that change the makeup of
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who shows up to vote? Well that's why I'm saying,
we could all the numbers, and I hope somebody has
done this. I have not. I've just kind of looked
at the map and said, ooh, what could happen here
if somebody could actually put numbers to paper and figure
out what makes it a better district for us? In
a Representative Cliburn's district. Then I would say, okay, let's
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do it if we feel like we have done the homework.
But if we can't say that with all certainty, we're
going to end up having to face the DNC and
the money that they will bring in to try to
turn that around.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
It sure would be nice to at least have Clyburn
have to check his rhetoric a little bit in order
to win an election.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
These are one of these things that I just feel
proud that South Carolina sent so many Republicans to help
out Donald Trump. You look at states like you mentioned Massachusetts,
and you think, like, how did it get that way?
Democrats they're melting down over this idea of Texas redistricting,
but they've been doing it for years. You see it
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in California, see it in Massachusetts. They have been jerrymandering
this to where Republicans get no voice at the DC level.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
You know, one of the things I'm always pushing about
two things, water and electricity. I was very excited to
see where there are servers now being built. I've forgotten
which status in actually has a cooling system that does
not depend on sucking water out from under the feet
of South Carolinians and so that we're able to cool
these things with modern technology and cool its in the like.
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But also a lot of these farms are going to
have their own self contained generation of power. I'm hoping
that as we move forward that we'll be able to
take advantage of that and actually legislate it so that
we do protect our state's resources. Given that you do
not serve in the legislator, how are we going to
be able to get these legislat tours to have a
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long term vision.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
First, let's talk about the cooling system. So I was
in Spartanburg a few weeks ago. Spartanburg has a data center.
It's the second highest tax revenue generator in the county.
They rely strictly on natural gas. Their data center does
not rely on electricity, so it's not draining on the
grid and uses fans to do its cooling system instead
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of water. So that technology is being Spartanberg. Kudos to
them for bringing all the latest technology. I was in
d about a month ago talking about this exact topic,
hearing from a lot of experts in the field talking
about how technology continues to get better and better and
we are using less and less electricity in data centers
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and less and less water Santi Cooper. The good thing
about Santi Cooper is the money that's coming with all
private investment dollars and not a burden to the tax payers.
As the bild is happening, there's a couple differences in
nuances that didn't happen the very first time round.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Smoking with Pamela Evitt, Lieutenant Governor. And I'm not intentionally
trying to put you at odds with the governor, but
a lot of us were perplexed last week when Henry
McMaster was asked about Scout Motors, and specifically Scout Motors
had decided to open their headquarters in Charlotte and not
here in north South Carolina, where we've given them one
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point three billion dollars and incentives to be here. And
they are going to open up their plant and they
are going to employ thousands of people, and we all
understand that, but apparently the white collar jobs, the big
dollar jobs, they're all going to go to Charlotte. And
when he was asked about it, he said something to
the extent of it would have been nice to have
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their headquarters in South Carolina, but We're a blue collar
manufacturing state, and that seems to really diminish. Like the
people coming out of Darlamore School of Business is supposed
to be some of the finest executives in the world,
some of the best business brains on the planet Earth,
and the idea that they couldn't fill jobs here in
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South Carolina with that seems rather in to a lot
of us.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Well, I think that's very disappointing for me too. When
it comes to advanced manufacturing, South Carolina, we do it
the best in the world, and it's large in part
to our amazing technical college system, which we've all talked
about and how blessed we are to have them here.
But I'm very excited about the diversification of opportunity here.
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I was down in Palmeto Bluff. I was on a
panel talking to this life science community, whether it be research,
whether it be innovation when it comes to new techniques
in the medical world, and these companies are looking at
South Carolina and these are high paying jobs. You see
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what's happening with University of South Carolina and their Brain
Center that's being built prepared to do a lot of
research where it comes to Parkinson's and all timers and
all brain related ailments. That brings a lot of talent,
a lot of white collar talent to the table keeping
our best and rightest here. When you look at what's
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happening with MUSC Children's Hospital and Saint Jude partnering up
with them to bring research here on brain tumors in children,
I mean, these are all great paying jobs. The world
has seen that not only can we build the coolest
things in the world here in South Carolina, but we
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have the talent to break through to all different industries.
And I've been talking a lot about since I announced
my run for governor, how I see a big, bold
dream for the state of South Carolina. And I feel
like our college and universities are pumping out the best
and brightest. I don't care what industry you're in, You're
going to look at South Carolina because of the talent
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we have here.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
As we look forward to next week, given that you
are not only a Clemson fan, but a Tiger mom,
how is it that you're going to be able to
support the Tigers next Saturday while not being concerned about
losing your game?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
COG vote.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
You know, my dad went to USC school law, my
son is at Clemson, my husband's a Clemson guy. I
consider myself an equal opportunity tuition payer. So what I'm
going to do where South Carolina blue, and I am
going to enjoy the game. I think we should all
go there, have a great time and realize that here
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in South Carolina there's a lot of things we disagree on,
but we all love college football. Well what about this Saturday.
We have Clemson playing Furman, we have USC playing Coastal. Like,
we're just playing all of our own teams this week.
So you know what South Carolina teams are going to
be winning this week.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
That's awesome Wenesday, That's why we're winners.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Now, I did have to edit that interview. You can
hear the entire interview with our Lieutenant governor and gubernatorial
hopeful of Pamela Evatt on our podcast.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
You just need to go to the iHeartRadio app and
put in rash thought.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
All right, we're going to get back into what's going
to be acronym Segment two the SCSCSC JMSC coming.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Up the Jonathan and Kelly Show.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Jonathan Rush James Comer apparently made the representation on the
floor of the House, that I sat down with Jeffrey Epstein,
had dinner with Jeffrey Epstein, have contributions from Jeffrey Epstein.
He's a stone cold liar. Kelly Nash, the keen Jeffrey's
campaign solicited money from Jeffrey Epstein. That's what we found
in the last document.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Back Jonathan and Kelly show now today, and reminder we
record this on Friday for Saturday broadcast today. I think
the narrative has changed. We've we switched over from the
Epstein files and now we're over to the fact that
Donald Trump has called for the execution of six Democrat lawmakers.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Is that what he did?
Speaker 4 (13:42):
That's what they're saying.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yeah, I mean, it's so funny how they try to
spend these things. And if you were found guilty, you
should be executed. That is the actual It's kind of
like when you know, if oj Simpson had been found
guilty of murdering Nicole, it would have been proper for
him to be put to death.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
All right.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
We can get into more of that coming up in
segment three. It's been a big week apparently the JMSC
Judicial Merit Selection Committee, the General Assembly has been in hearings,
and they're talking about all kinds of judge positions from
the Supreme Court all the way down appellate courts and
the like, and a lot of judges are being judged,
and then we'll be appointed, and we'll go through the JMSC,
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which has come under scrutiny by everybody who's running for
governor in the state of South Carolina. This process has
to change. We got an interesting history. Note at the
beginning of the week, I did not realize that back
in nineteen seventy three, the General Assembly then made amendments
to the state Constitution that then allowed former lawmakers to
actually become then Supreme Court justice.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yeah, that's a horrible idea that we I mean, we
knew enough to not allow that originally. And then I
don't know what they were thinking in nineteen seventy three,
but somebody got crazy around here and said, why don't
we allow the legislator, which is again the legislation cures
filled with attorneys who are going to end up arguing
cases in front of judges. Let them decide who the
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Supreme Court justices will be. They'll vote on it. And
then do you think that those Supreme Court justices would
be thankful and appreciative of these people who I mean
the tit for tat around here. It's getting crazy.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
The appellate court judges and the like, and the judges
that these attorneys will find themselves arguing cases in front
of will somehow be swayed by the fact that we
have this row one because of you, possibly, as we
now add to our acronym the JMSCSCSC, the South Carolina
Supreme Court seemingly corrupt, seemingly corrupt, and that it certainly
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would give you the appearance that there may be some improprieties.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Well, and yes, in the fact that you know we're
now we're now allowing people who were who have no experience.
I've never been a judge, but I'd like to start
at the Supreme Court level. And my only qualitylification is
I was a legislator. And then the legislators go, you
know what, out of all the nominees, I liked this
guy the best because I've known him for like ten
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fifteen years. And then that's how they become the Supreme
Court judge.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
You know, embarrassingly, as a born and raised South Carolinian
who didn't know about the constitutional change in nineteen seventy three.
I didn't even realize that one of our more highly
acclaimed Supreme Court Chief Justices, Gene Toll, had absolutely no
legislative well, very little legislative experience going into a position.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
She had a legislative experience, she didn't have legal experiences.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
So she had very little legal experience going into her
position on the Supreme Court and then ended up being
the Chief Justice.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
She had never been a judge zero. And the guy
who's the front runner right now has had a grand
total of about eleven months of being a judge. And
so that is unbelievable that just because I was the
former Speaker of the House, I guess you know, by
eleven months of being a judge in some Beckwoods town,
that ought to be enough. That ought to do it.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Now, speaking of Gene Toll, because we had to look
it up, I did not know. I have not sent
her a birthday card. I don't know how old she was.
But according to the article here in the Posting Courier,
it's been widely understood that Supreme Court constitution prohibits judges
on the Supreme Court from serving past the age of
seventy two. I think that she was a little older
(17:16):
than that. Yes, she was. Now we're going to actually argue,
and I don't even know which judge ends up making
the decision on this, because certainly we'll hand it off
to someone who used to be in the General Assembly
and now will find favor, possibly for former House Speaker
Jay Lucas, an attorney and career politician with only one
year of judicial experience, as we talked about before, but
he insists that the age limit of seventy two is
(17:39):
not the case.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
It's just you can't start serving after seventy two, or
because you're already in at seventy one, you could serve
to two hundred, like Gene Toll, which doesn't make any
sense at all.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
I guess with the JMSC hearings that continue this week
and we'll be talking more about that as we learn
more about the selections. Through that process, we'll be able
to look at this top the bottom again and then
also maybe can hear more information from our hopefuls for
the Governor's Office, who, as a reminder, have absolutely no
authority over the General Assembly.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
We live in Crazyville, Jonathan, we really do. In the
fact that we have not yet reformed this after seeing
the problems that all these legislative attorneys are creating in
South Carolina. It's unbelievable that they get to pick the
judges and then they themselves get to become the judges.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
And just in recent history, how many times we've seen
laws written by the General Assembly end up being challenged
to the Supreme Court. Then they get they put footnotes
on the law on how to go back and rewrite it.
That's the way they look. Apparently, that's what it does. Like, Hey,
good to see you again, Bill, listen on this one here.
In order to get this one by, we're going to
need to do this, that and the other thing.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Now.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
We will have more news as the JMSC wraps up
its hearings this week, and I'm sure we'll have an
opportunity to speak with our gubernatorial hopefuls on what they
would like to see now how they get that actual
leveraged through the General Assembly. Those guys over there don't
like to relinquish the grip they have on power.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
That a little tight. You better hold on loosely. As
thirty eight Special said, Okay.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
We're gonna get in some interesting conversations just a second
from DC in our Swamp Talk.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Segment and Kelly Show, Jonathan Rush.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
And let me be very clear about Stacey Plaski. She's
a woman of great intelligence and a woman of great integrity.
She deserves the opportunity to be heard.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Kelly Nash and I began to get innumerable text and
I got a text from Jeffrey Epstein, who at the
time was my constituent, who was not public knowledge at
that time that he was under federal investigation.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
And Kelly Show, wait, we learned this week in multiple
hearings or multiple explanations, there's a sliding timeline here, Kelly,
the time is not absolute apparently, okay for Democrat delegates
such as Stacy Plackin or actual voting members. That we
heard from Jasmine.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
You know, ironically, so plask It, as I think we
all know by now, was again thanks to the Washington Post.
They did the leg work and they found this out
that she was texting in real time at the twenty
nineteen Michael Cohen testimony. What should she say? She doesn't
know what to say, the fact that she's an intelligent woman,
(20:20):
blah blah, I don't know what to say. I don't
know what to ask him. Can you help me, Michael,
or can you help me? Jeffrey Epstein known child predator
because he had already been convicted in two thousand and
seven and the year previous to this testimony. In twenty eighteen,
the Miami Herald ran an interview with fifty Epstein victims.
The fact that she claims she didn't know there was
(20:41):
a federal investigation. I guess you can claim ignorance, but
you had to know something was happening. You just don't
have the Miami Herald and then CNN and NBC and
all your favorite liberal networks talking about Jeffrey Epstein being
involved with up to fifty different children and nothing is
going to happen. But he's just some random constituent who's
texting with me, and we're supposed to just let that slide.
(21:03):
At the same time, in Democrat speak, Donald Trump, who
hasn't had a photograph with him and Jeffrey Epstein in
about thirty years. That's enough to send him to prison
for the rest of his life just being in a
photograph with the guy.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
You know, she's not a voting member because she's a
delegate from the Virgin Islands. But she loves to be
and she can be appointed obviously to subcommittees, and she
loves to be on them. And you can always tell
when she's questioning anyone. She's reading questions that her staff
has written for her, and in this case, she's getting
live from a constituent. It wouldn't be great if we
had an opportunity to have our representative phone numbers so
(21:39):
that when we see them live on television, we could
text in questions for them to ask.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Well, we have several of their numbers, but I doubt
if any of them would even look at the phone,
never mind respond to it and do what we asked.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
You know, ever's constituent would love to have that number
as well, wouldn't they to make sure that their concerns
are her. But she's got a select group of people
that she allows on her phone.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Well, she's saying, you know, if I'm trying to take
the bigger picture of it, she's claiming that as a
former prosecutor, I often have to deal with very unseemly
people because that's how deals are cut. And so I
find out that, you know, convict A has dirt on
soon to be convict B. We'll take that info. And
(22:24):
so that's kind of what she was trying to imply there,
the difference being here that Jeffrey Epstein is all the convicts,
and what you're trying to come up with is in
you already knew. See, this is the thing that I
think people forget to remember. They knew. The Democrats already
knew that Donald Trump was not guilty of anything they
(22:46):
were accusing him of. That wasn't a question did Donald
Trump conspire with Russia against us? They knew in twenty
sixteen he hadn't conspired with Russia, So they created a
BS narrative that they could then spoon feed to people
like More Socialism now formerly known as ms DNC and
(23:08):
let him say he might have been conspiring with the
Russians against us. But they knew that that wasn't real.
So everything she's asking Michael Cohen, she knows Michael Cohen's lying,
and she's like, I got to get some more dirt,
give me some names. Oh, who's Roona? Rona is okay,
So now Rona is going down. We're just making up
crap over here.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
And the sad thing is is that although we have
seen it play out for years and years. Now that
MS now, as you mentioned MS thirteen now.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Is that week, Well, I've now changed them to more
socialism now, Okay, more socialism.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Now has always picked up the narrative because they get
the talking points emailed over from the DNC. Now it's
gotten even worse because on top of the Stacey Platkins thing,
you hear Jasmine Crockett making these statements that she knows
she's going to use this five second statement on her
social media, which will be repeated. So they're getting to
the point where they don't even need the fifteen second
(24:01):
explanation narrative to be used on their news channels that
are favorable to them, because they can simply put out
a headline like Zelder getting contributions from a Jeffrey Epstein.
You can put out that headline in the six second
plorab on social media. It's going to get repeated, repeated,
repeat to repeated, and there is never a page six
with a correction on that.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Well, and it's interesting that she was on you're mentioning Crockett.
She was on I think it was CNN. Was it
Caitlyn Collins she was talking to, and you know, Kate,
she went through a little laundry list of who else
got money from aight, and she's very technical the way
she said it, Well, who else got money from a
Jeffrey Epstein? And she went through a list of high
profile Republicans, including Trump administration official Lee Zelden, And she's like, yeah,
(24:49):
but Leezelden said that that's not the Jeffrey Epstein, it's
a doctor Jeffrey Epstein from Long Island. And she's like, well,
I never claimed that it was the Jeffrey Epstein. It
just said a Jeffrey Epstein. I never tried to mislead
people like they do. And you know, Caitlyn Collins is
like staring at her, like are you are you serious?
And then and then Lee's Elden comes out with the
(25:11):
information that when she googled that information about who gave
to my campaigns, that the twenty twenty three donation to
the Lee Zelden for Governor campaign would have been clearly
not made from the Jeffrey Epstein, as he'd been dead
for four years at that point.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Well, I'm sure by now, since this broadcast on Saturday
morning and we recorded on Friday, the narrative has changed.
Actually it changed today. I believe that we're not going
to talk about the Epstein files for a while. You
get a reprieve from all that conversation because now Donald
trumpet's call for the public execution of publicly elected Democrat officials.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
You know, isn't it the Democrats who always say things
like words matter, and so you know, it's funny because
words don't have definitions anymore for them, but the words matter.
So this is what Donald Trump said. He retweeted the
Washington Examiner story talking about the Democrat veterans in Congress
are now urging service members to refuse unspecified what they
(26:08):
classify as unlawful orders. That's the headline. Okay, he writes,
this is really bad and dangerous to our country. Their
words cannot be allowed to stand. Sedacious behavior from traders.
Lock them up, President DJT. So he's accusing them of
(26:28):
seditious behavior. If it is seditious behavior, they should be
locked up at minimum then an hour and thirty minutes
later he tweets out or posts they call him truth.
He truth socialed seditious behavior is punishable by death and
that is just a legit fact, much like.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
The facts we've heard described by people like uh well,
Jensaki having an interview with one of them on Thursday night,
when they said, and reiterated again to our current serving militaries,
you should not follow you cannot follows an illegal, unlawful order.
That's a fact. They're only stating a fact. They don't
have anything specific they're warning against. They're using vague verbiage
(27:10):
that Donald Trump, as they interpreted, has claimed that he
will use the military in particular with cities like Chicago
and the like. So they're very concerned and they want
to make sure and reiterate because a shour oath to
the Constitution as well, Kelly, because they served in the
military or in some cases in our intelligence communities.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yeah. I mean, this is a horrible straw man that
they're holding up for people and trying to insert some
doubt in the military members' minds. I would guess if
I was to try to figure out what was in
the mind of these Democrats, what they're most offended about
is the idea of deporting illegal aliens. That you're using
(27:49):
the US military inside cities in America and you're targeting
illegal aliens and then you're going to deport them and
that's what they're going to call an unlawful order, when
in fact that order is actually defending the constitution of
the United States. But if you're one of these bleeding
hearts that are like, but there, you know what, this
(28:09):
is not the worst of the worst. They're just here working, well,
you know what they should be deported to. And the
reason why they're stealing an American's birthright those jobs that
they're undercutting people on those jobs were fought for. Somebody
paid the price for that person to become an American,
and the Americans should have got it, and instead it
went to an illegal alien at a far lower price.
(28:31):
And that is bad for America.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Well, their conversations and their defense of their statement because
of the vague illegal possibly orders of Donald Trump, commander
in chief, backed up this week by the judge who's
now calling for the federal troops to be removed from Washington,
d C. So again with the using of the military
in an illegal fashion. Although I do like the fact
(28:53):
that they are claiming they're only stating a fact when,
as Donald Trump pointed out, sedition behavior is punishable at minimum,
locked up, at worse, you could be hung. That is
in fact a true statement as well.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Well, he did call for their hanging. He didn't even
mention the word hanging. He just said punishable by death.
That's all he said. They then started adding their own
narratives to it. He wants us hung in the streets,
publicly executed. That's not what he said. I would say.
In illegal order is the one that Joe Biden gave
back during COVID ordering, demanding as the commander in chief
that all military members receive some never before tried medication.
(29:33):
You got to take this COVID vaccine. People refused that
order and then they were kicked out of the military.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Was it an illegal order where Barack Obama droned what
ended up being a total of four US citizens killed.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Yes, that was an illegal order, as was the exchange
for bau Burgdal. That was found to be in illegal order,
that the military members who exchanged the five Taliban prisoners
in exchange for bau Burgdhal had violated the law. Now,
nothing happened to those soldiers, but the illegal order was
given by Barack Obama. You can only imagine what would
have happened if any military members had said not following
(30:07):
that order. President Obama.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Well, I guess because he did publicly apologize, does that
make it all square?
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Now, that's not how that works.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Before we wrap up this program for this week, we
have an opportunity to share subduce. This is only one
aspect of things You'll be hearing more from from SC
to fifty and you can always use the SC two
to fifty dot com web page for more information. We
have some interesting South Carolina history notes as we look
forward to a great celebration year of the Revolutionary War
and our state's contributions to it.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Next the Jonathan and Kelly Show, Jonathan Rush, we have
nothing to do with Epstein and Democrats too.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
All of his friends were.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Democrats, Kelly Nash, Larry Summers, Bill Clinton. They went to
his island all the time. Many of this oil democrats.
Jonathan and Kelly Show.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
I do feel sorry for all the staffers for the
Senators and the House members who'll be spending most of
their holidays going through this incredibly long document dump. As
we continue to read more about the Epstein files.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I've been pretty clear my position on that for months
has been there's no more to find, and they're going
to be, you know, like that guy Larry Summers and stuff.
We already knew all that crap about Larry Summers. I
don't think that you're going to hear a whole lot
of new names or new anythings. I know Americans are
desperate for it. This has been a political game that's
been played now since twenty nineteen, and both sides have
(31:29):
played it. But it's all coming out now.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
It is November in South Carolina and we're starting to
see and hear more about SC two fifty. There are
more opportunities fore to learn about the Revolutionary War, in
particular how the Palmetto State played a part in it.
And there's a lot of different aspects which leads us
to this interview we had earlier in the week, Kelly Nash,
Welcome to the studio, Drew Dwayne Gadson. Good to have you.
Speaker 7 (31:53):
Here, sir, good to be here. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
We were speaking not too long ago. It's our superintendent
of Education. I had no idea what to have an
opportunity to have you in the studio because she was
bragging about not just the SC two fifty campaign, which
is gathering a lot of celebration going into the coming year,
but also getting our kids more involved in South Carolina history.
Now remind me again your exact title.
Speaker 7 (32:17):
I am the Director of Student and Community Engagement. It's
a newly vetted office. I actually stood it up back
in December of last year. I have two superstar ladies
that worked for me. Carla Renfro who handles are basically
initiatives with community and how they engage with the schools,
and Mandy Robbers Mandy Robberts handles are what we call
(32:39):
Character and Resilience Education Compendium. So there's a bulk of
resources and one of those resources is what we have
the beauty of talking about today our African American History
calendar as well.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
And that's going to be coming out what December second.
Speaker 7 (32:53):
December second is our unveiling and we are excited about
it for so many reasons. I mean, number one is
a great educational tool. But we moved it this year
from the Koger Center on the USC's campus to Richland
to performing ourselves.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Oh, I know that building is where my wife's works
and we're trying to fill it up. So this is
open to the public. It is open to the public.
We encourage, you know, teachers not to just come, but
bring your classes if we're also streaming the event on
our YouTube channel. We want the full state.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Now you referenced it as a calendar, it's the lynch
pin of where people can use this as a reference
going forward.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
You are correct. This year's calendar is there as well
as every preceding year's calendar is at Scafricanamerican dot com,
but anybody can access that.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
We're talking with Dwayne Gatson, and you are the director
of Student and Community Engagement at South Carolina Department of Education.
One of the things you were saying off the air,
which I found interesting, is you have found there's a
lot of South Carolinians who want to help, who want
to be a part of the solution, but they're not
really sure how to engage. And your office is really
about trying to connect those people.
Speaker 7 (34:02):
And I think in part that's part of the brilliance
of Superintendent Ellen Weaver too. She noticed early in her
tenure that as she traversed the state that there are
a lot of people are just like, how can I help,
but they didn't have an on ramp. My office serves
as that on ramp to get them into the schools.
So we have what's called Project Raise your hand. Carlo
(34:23):
Renfro is in charge of that program. That way, we've
already identified the needs schools have, what their needs are,
and we're identifying the resources in the community that can
meet those needs.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
Now, you talked about getting the program into the schools.
One of the things that, if I remember correctly, she
was excited about was talking about how our state is
actually a classroom that we want to get them out
of the classroom and get them to historical sites.
Speaker 7 (34:47):
Oh yes, And it speaks to even the title of
this upcoming year's calendar revolutionary, and it goes a whole
lot deeper than just understanding the sssor centennial aspect of it,
going from the American revolution and Revolutionary War and forward,
because it's revolutionary in the way that we've transcended through
(35:08):
our African American history, culture, education, and just since the community.
And we're tying that into the preamble as well and
bringing out the richness of the ideals of the nation
which land neatly on freedom and liberty.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
So this SC two to fifty year is not only
a great opportunity for South Carolina as well as the
nation to celebrate the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary. Yes,
but this really gives you an opportunity to share the
spotlight with something that has been available through your office
that most of us didn't even know was available. And
I'm excited to know now that I can learn more
through you. Well.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Dwayne gas and director of a Student and Community Engagement
at South Carolina Department of Education. Two final thoughts. One,
if people are interested in going December two to the
R two I two building, what do they need to do?
And two? How will they be able to access this
calendar that you're talking about?
Speaker 7 (35:59):
Actually, and thank you for that opportunity. December second, the
doors will open at five thirty. We also will showcase
some of our schools culinary arts programs throughout four districts. Here,
student chefs make cuisine that is pretty much born and
bred in South Carolina as well as you know. Stay
tuned to the website Scafricanamerican dot com Scafricanamerican dot com.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
And we did edit that interview, so if you'd like
to hear the entire interview, you can always go to
our podcast. We'll be posted up Monday through Thursday.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Yeah, the rast Thought podcast is free to download on
the Free app known as the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
South Carolina comes together today. The deal in the garnet
collide as we begin our best gamecock coverage on WVOC
at one o'clock.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Today, and we'll be on that show with you as
well for Fantalk Good.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Cocks Jonathan N. Kelly Show. That is our broadcast. Thank
you for being here with us. I'll show myself out
until we meet again.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
That's the way it is.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
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