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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Jonathan and Kelly Show. Jonathan Rush, do
you believe President Trump has issued any illegal orders? I
am not aware of things that are illegal. Kelly. You
watch you Know a Few good Men where people were
told to follow illegal orders and Kelly show, Oh, she's
right in our wheelhouse now she quoted a few good men.
(00:24):
M did you give the order? Did you order the
code red? Did you order that was an illegal order?
By the way, and she's right, Americans learned everything they
know about the military apparently through motion pictures. Is that
the way it works? I guess slot slot can slot
(00:44):
Nick slot Nick? There you go, all right, slot Nick.
She doesn't know of any illegal orders, but we know
what happened in a movie, so it could happen to
Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I mean it could. I mean if you're if your
whole premise is we don't know what he could order in.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
The future, that's what they're saying.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Let me ask you a question. If we're going to
go back to a Few good Men, is it up
to Private Santiago to decide if it's an illegal order?
Does he have that ability or does he have to
trust his commanding officer who would have received that order
from somebody above him who would have received it. If
it was coming from the president, it would have gone
through a chain of command where people above Private Santiago
(01:25):
before he fired the bullets at the protesters.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Legs we did. We learned that in the movie slot Nick,
you weren't paying attention.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
The order came from Jessup and it went to.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
That's right to whatever that guy's name was, who has
the Bible and the and the Marine Corps of the
handbook on his night sea And it was objected to
by the other.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Commander or the platoon leader. They remember his name. The
guy took his own life with a nickel, got a
hand it to those marines. You got a hand in it.
So you had you had one guy pushing back the
other guy gave the order.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Well that was the one. It was jealous because Jessup
was promoted past time. Remember that's why. And if that's
a source of discomfort or embarrassment, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yes see you didn't. You weren't paying attentions. You wouldn't
use that as a reference.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
No.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
The alls you have done is introduced the idea that
somebody in the National Guard could refuse an order because
they find it to be illegal. They've made a decision
that it's an illegal order. And again, as we pointed out,
the last known legal or excuse me, illegal order given
was by Barack Obama. And so those military members, I'm
(02:36):
thankful the military members were not prosecuted for following Obama's
orders in order to change five Taliban fighters for bo Bergdal.
That was illegal against the US constitution, and yet Barack
ordered it, and so they could have in essence, the
people who transported the five Taliban members back there, they
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could have been arrested and prosecuted by the military for
following that order. But the military thought better of it
and said, you know what, that thing went through a
chain of command. None of us, none of us really
thought that that was an illegal order. We didn't like it,
but we didn't think it was. Can you imagine the Pushbacky,
You're just saying no, because he's the first black president.
(03:21):
You don't want to take orders from a black man.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Hey, we're not even brought's the fact that he killed
four Americans in a drone strike, a different three drone strikes, right.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Was it illegal for him to kill Americans?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I believe that that's well, let me ask you this question.
If you're assuming because you claim that Donald Trump said
We're going to use the National Guard to go in
and kill citizens in the streets of Chicago, Los Angeles
and other cities. Now, I know that we've often thought
to ourselves, as we have same persons take over militaries
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in America and world history. Would those would those soldiers
actually turn on their own civilian folk?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Well, it depends, I suppose. I mean, if we're talking
about this specific instance, would a National guardsman who was
trying to somehow protect a federal building kill a fellow citizen,
I would say yes, if that fellow citizen was somehow
presenting himself in a dangerous way towards the National guardsmen.
(04:26):
You also have some guardsmen who may like as we remember,
I don't know if everybody remembers nineteen seventy two at
Kent State University, you had the National Guard fire on
college students, which was totally illegal. But that soldier in
that instance thought that they were under fire, but they
were not and didn't know what he was doing. So
(04:48):
I mean, yes, there could be dangerous circumstances. However, all
of that could be completely avoided if cities and states
followed federal law like they're supposed to, which says that
if you detain somebody and you find out they're an
illegal alien, that you must contact Ice and let them
(05:10):
know this person that we just arrested for domestic violence
also is not a legal citizen, and then let the
federal government come in and take care of it from
there on out. But you don't, as a matter of fact,
you backdoor these people out. You've got judges who are
trying to hide these people and get them back out
into the public. And so that's what's creating the dangerous situations.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
The threat of Chicago having National guardsmen, and there were
plainly over the weekend the LoveFest. Now somebody died, but
those were those that was gunfire of celebration. They were
all excited that the National Guard was not going to
come in and patrol the streets in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I mean, I don't know if you saw the comments
or heard the comments of Brandon Johnson, but they were
alerted to these shootings a week in advance. It was
on social media that there was a thousands.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Of teenagers a teen takeover.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, we're planning to come and bring fire arms with them.
And as Brandon Johnson said, we worked with the schools,
did you You worked with the counselors to make sure
let them know that killing each other is a bad idea.
And then we brought in extra police officers just for
this event. And so here's the city of Chicago so
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weak and an ept that when you're told that there's
going to be an attack a week in advance, you
people are so soft. You can't stop a group of
teenagers from shooting and killing each other. That's insane. And
then it's the same city where you know, you do
nothing to protect the people riding mass transit. And that's
how you had a woman barbecue. She's set a blaze
(06:47):
because of a person who was arrested seventy five times.
I think it was, Yeah, and you just, out of empathy,
keep putting these people back on the streets.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
So and your original effort to defund the policeman replace
them with social workers. Those social workers who had a
week in advance to know that the team takeover with
guns was going to be happening. You weren't able to
avoid that crisis with your new thought process in your
sanctuary city. You screaming, knucklehead. How was this How was
(07:16):
this guy able to actually walk out of any building
and make it to his car without the citizens pummeling
him with stones?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Do I need to remind you about his escorts? So
for people who don't know backstory, lease dollars went. Well,
if you don't know about the backstory on Brandon Johnson.
When Brandon Johnson became the mayor and he replaced what
we had considered to be the most inept mayor in
American history in Lori Lightfoot, he upped the ineptitude. And
one of the first things Brandon Johnson did, because we're
(07:45):
all playing I guess checkers and he's playing three D
chess over there with Kamala Harris, he went to the
school boards of Chicago and said, we're sending a bad
message to the children of Chicago by having resource off
at the schools. It makes them feel unsafe. We should,
(08:05):
if we care about the children, get rid of the
resource officers. So he was able to convince the Chicago
school boards to do that, and then he took every
one of those resource officers and he assigned him to
his own protection detail. So his protection detail right now
is something like four hundred strong. He marches through Chicago
like a flip and army. He's got more detail than
(08:27):
the President of the United States has. So yeah, he
can march anywhere he wants in the city and feel safe.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
What an embarrassment. Oh look, wait a minute, Hang on
a second, we got a big phone call coming into
the Jonathan and Kelly Double Secret Reprobationary Hotline. Kelly Nash,
welcome on the phone in South Carolina's Attorney General and
gubernatorial hopeful, Alan Wilson.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Good morning, sir, Good morning, Good morning, gentlemen. It's great
to be with you. I hope you're having a great
week so far.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
We are as we head into Thanksgiving. You've seen a
lot of the state here as of late, as you're
out here campaigning real hard, and understand that you're scooping
up endorsements.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Oh absolutely. Earlier this past week, we announced forty five
Low Country endorsements. To go along with the twenty three
sheriff endorsements we've gotten across the state, we announced a
bunch of other endorsements that had to deal with local
law not just local law enforcement. The mayor's city council,
County council, county lot officials as well as school board members,
and so we're starting to roll these endorsements out and
(09:23):
it's really starting to show energy in the campaign around
the state. I'm really excited about it.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Maybe it's just a holiday season is getting me kind
of in a rush, and maybe my mindset's a little edgy,
or maybe it's the continuation of driving on South Carolina's roads,
But I'm telling you, over the past week, it has
really gotten out of control for at least for the
routes that I take. If I were the governor of
the state, I'd be embarrassed to have anybody come travel
our state's roads. Tell me, how are we going to
(09:49):
fix all this, because this is a huge problem for us.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Well, Jonathan, look, I've been thinking about this for a
long time, and there's a lot of things that we
can do to be innovative about how we address infrastructure
from South Carolina. When I traveled the state, I ask
this question of every group I'm talking to, who is
the largest landowner in the state of South Carolina. Well,
it's the state of South Carolina. When you're driving up
and down the highways and interstates, especially the interstates, all
(10:13):
of that grass between the left and right sides of
the lane, the north and southbound lanes, and the east
and westbound lanes that is owned by the state of
South Carolina. Why are we not creating toll road expressways
like other states are doing. I mean, we own that land.
Let's monetize it, Let private public partnerships exist, and let's
go ahead and let private companies pay those roles toll
the pay the bond off, and then open it up
(10:35):
to the public in ten or fifteen years. But let
our friends from up north and down south who are
driving through our state help us pay for our infrastructure.
Let's privatize the rest areas along the way and putting
gas stations and restaurants there. Allow the revenues of that
to feed infrastructure. Let's lease the easements on the left
and the right side of the interstates to energy and
telecommunications companies laying fiber optics and gas lines. There's so
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many things we can do. And also one last thing
we could do is let's have mixed use buildings for
state government buildings. Let's collect the property taxes from private
sector folks on the ground floor of state government buildings
like restaurant owners and retail owners and business owners, and
let's allow the funds of those property taxes to go
to infrastructure. We're not being as innovative as other states.
(11:18):
We can do better, and we can use the proceeds
and profits of that innovation to help fund our infrastructure
here in South Carolina.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Talking with Attorney General Allan Wilson running for governor and
recently Scout Motors made a decision. We have given them
one point three billion dollars in incentives to build their
plant here in Richland County, but their headquarters was, I
guess still up for debate, and they decided to build
that in Charlotte. When the governor was asked about that,
(11:48):
he said, it would have been nice to get the
white collar jobs, but we're focused on the blue collar
manufacturing jobs. Do you believe that Richland County and or
South Carolina is not really in the running to get
corporate headquarters here.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Well, I think that might have been specific. I mean,
Scout obviously was interested in bringing their operation here, but
obviously there was a lot of internal politics going on
with you know, some of the things that they wanted
to do with the auto dealer franchise laws in South
Carolina and how whether or not they could direct sell
to customers like Tesla does. Obviously, that was not something
South Carolina allows, and I think they probably calculated that
(12:23):
into their decision. But look, the most important thing we
want people to know is we want businesses coming to
South Carolina to know that when they come here, they
can take deep routes, they can produce a profit, and
they can make goods that are affordable for South Carolina families.
South Carolina, whether you're Scout Motors or a mom and pop,
we need to create incentive structures. It's kind of like
an nil game, right, It's like players go where the
(12:46):
nil money is. Well, businesses go where states are creating
the most opportunity. We want to create opportunity that incentivizes
companies to come here. In order to do that, we've
got to up our game in recruiting, and that's one
of the things I'm going to focus on when I'm governor.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
One of the things that's been kind of a it
hasn't been a secret, we've been talking about it that well,
but I don't know if hear the General Assembly address
this issue, is that our retirement system is woefully behind
in funding it, and we continue to add to it,
and knowing that the total unfunded liability, meaning the amount
of time that we still have currently uncontracted employees, is
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only going to get a steeper in the hole. Somebody's
going to have to stand up of the governor's bully
pulpit and start screaming about the fact that we've got
a reckoning coming financially if we don't do something about it,
how are you going to help the General Assembly move
on this issue or what are we going to do
to shore up that cash problem?
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Well, first off, its getting people to recognize that there
is a problem right now. People recognize that there's a
roads and bridges problem because bridges are falling and people
are running over potholes. When you're talking about pension, it's
like talking about mental health. You can't see the problem,
you can't feel the problem yet, right and so too,
you know, people don't run over a bad pension system,
they do run over a pothole. So that's that's what
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the politicians here. You have to basically have to incentivize politicians,
the elected officials in the legislature to see that there
is a pension problem and that we have to get
you know, we have to get down and address it.
One of the things as governor I'm going to do
is to create advisory groups on various issues, including infrastructure, energy, education,
and of course our state's retirement system. These are things
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that I've decided to focus on, and I want to
bring stakeholders together to sit around the table to advise
both in the self and leaders in the General Assembly,
to give us basically economic modeling, give us courses of
action to pursue, and give us a roadmap to address it.
So we're going to the second I'm sworn in, actually
two months before I'm sworn in the day after I'm elected,
We're going to put these groups together and have them
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start putting together a plan and a course of action
for us to address. But it requires the executive and
legislative branches coming together and recognizing that there is a problem,
and just because you don't feel it when you're driving
down the road, or just because you can't see it yet,
doesn't mean it's not real, doesn't mean it's not coming
for us.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Talking with the Attorney General Alan Wilson, and I want
to salute you. You took advantage of one of your
opponent gaffes, kind of like Donald Trump took advantage of
one of his opponent's gaffs and he ended up working
the drive through at McDonald's. To draw attention to that,
you ended up delivering breakfast to a bunch of airport employees.
The biggest question I have is how did you decide
(15:17):
because you went, you went with both Chick fil a
and waffle House.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Well, well, well, Kelly, First off, who doesn't like Chick
fil A and waffle House? Oh?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
So I get double, I get the double breakfast. Oh
I love it.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Well, I mean, obviously we want to give them variety.
And also we were trying to send a message, you know.
First off, I want to send a message that we
support local law enforcement. We support the men and women
both state and federal, many of whom during that time
were working without pay, right who work hard to do
their jobs. They were berated, they were cussed out, they
were told they were incompetent, and their jobs were threatened,
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you know, and not just me, but dozens of low
country elected officials, including two US Senators and a number
of other elected officials came to their defense. And I
want to do a nice gesture, and of course it
was you know, we thought to do waffle House and
we thought to do Chick fil A because we thought
that those are two well known restaurants that people like. That. Also,
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there was a little bit of symbolism embedded in that.
I'll let you infer what you want from that, but
we just kind of wanted to send a message to
compare and contrast how we view them compared to how
other people view them.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Well, sir, I appreciate you traveling the state, and I
know that you need. You actually have probably of all
the candidates that I've heard from thus far, experience more potholes.
So I'm glad to know that you're out there traveling
the state, and I hope the other candidates do as well.
As we get ready for debates coming up, that's going
to be very interesting as we see hopefully our political
iron sharp and iron so the South Carolina hopefully Electric
(16:45):
will get more involved this year as to who's going
to lead our state. We need, we have some big
challenges coming our way, and I'm looking forward to hearing
more from your platform as we talk with other candidates
as well in a debate.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Well, look, I appreciate both of you. You guys have
done a phenomenal job over the years of framing the issues.
I love the rash thoughts. I love how you guys
just talk about issues in a very plain spoken way,
in the way that real families understand, you know, the
kitchen table issues that people talk about and care about.
You guys are great at, you know, talking about those.
That's why I love coming on your show, and I
love the platform you give me to talk to you
the listeners. This is my hometown, this is my community,
(17:19):
and I appreciate it very much. And look, I hope
you guys have an amazing holiday and I look forward
to seeing you. I know we're not gonna have much
of a ball season this year. I'm still going to
enjoy the Palmetto Bowl this coming week and I look
forward to seeing them play in both Carolina and Clemson.
I know you both do as well.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I'll let you know if I've enjoyed it after the
game is over.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
South Carolina Attorney General and gubernatorial hopeful Alan Wilson, thank
you for your time, sir.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Thank you gentlemen.
Welcome to the Jonathan and Kelly Show. Jonathan Rush, do
you believe President Trump has issued any illegal orders? I
am not aware of things that are illegal. Kelly. You
watch you Know a Few good Men where people were
told to follow illegal orders and Kelly show, Oh, she's
right in our wheelhouse now she quoted a few good men.
(00:24):
M did you give the order? Did you order the
code red? Did you order that was an illegal order?
By the way, and she's right, Americans learned everything they
know about the military apparently through motion pictures. Is that
the way it works? I guess slot slot can slot
(00:44):
Nick slot Nick? There you go, all right, slot Nick.
She doesn't know of any illegal orders, but we know
what happened in a movie, so it could happen to
Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I mean it could. I mean if you're if your
whole premise is we don't know what he could order in.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
The future, that's what they're saying.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Let me ask you a question. If we're going to
go back to a Few good Men, is it up
to Private Santiago to decide if it's an illegal order?
Does he have that ability or does he have to
trust his commanding officer who would have received that order
from somebody above him who would have received it. If
it was coming from the president, it would have gone
through a chain of command where people above Private Santiago
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before he fired the bullets at the protesters.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Legs we did. We learned that in the movie slot Nick,
you weren't paying attention.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
The order came from Jessup and it went to.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
That's right to whatever that guy's name was, who has
the Bible and the and the Marine Corps of the
handbook on his night sea And it was objected to
by the other.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Commander or the platoon leader. They remember his name. The
guy took his own life with a nickel, got a
hand it to those marines. You got a hand in it.
So you had you had one guy pushing back the
other guy gave the order.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Well that was the one. It was jealous because Jessup
was promoted past time. Remember that's why. And if that's
a source of discomfort or embarrassment, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yes see you didn't. You weren't paying attentions. You wouldn't
use that as a reference.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
No.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
The alls you have done is introduced the idea that
somebody in the National Guard could refuse an order because
they find it to be illegal. They've made a decision
that it's an illegal order. And again, as we pointed out,
the last known legal or excuse me, illegal order given
was by Barack Obama. And so those military members, I'm
(02:36):
thankful the military members were not prosecuted for following Obama's
orders in order to change five Taliban fighters for bo Bergdal.
That was illegal against the US constitution, and yet Barack
ordered it, and so they could have in essence, the
people who transported the five Taliban members back there, they
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could have been arrested and prosecuted by the military for
following that order. But the military thought better of it
and said, you know what, that thing went through a
chain of command. None of us, none of us really
thought that that was an illegal order. We didn't like it,
but we didn't think it was. Can you imagine the Pushbacky,
You're just saying no, because he's the first black president.
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You don't want to take orders from a black man.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Hey, we're not even brought's the fact that he killed
four Americans in a drone strike, a different three drone strikes, right.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Was it illegal for him to kill Americans?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I believe that that's well, let me ask you this question.
If you're assuming because you claim that Donald Trump said
We're going to use the National Guard to go in
and kill citizens in the streets of Chicago, Los Angeles
and other cities. Now, I know that we've often thought
to ourselves, as we have same persons take over militaries
(03:56):
in America and world history. Would those would those soldiers
actually turn on their own civilian folk?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Well, it depends, I suppose. I mean, if we're talking
about this specific instance, would a National guardsman who was
trying to somehow protect a federal building kill a fellow citizen,
I would say yes, if that fellow citizen was somehow
presenting himself in a dangerous way towards the National guardsmen.
(04:26):
You also have some guardsmen who may like as we remember,
I don't know if everybody remembers nineteen seventy two at
Kent State University, you had the National Guard fire on
college students, which was totally illegal. But that soldier in
that instance thought that they were under fire, but they
were not and didn't know what he was doing. So
(04:48):
I mean, yes, there could be dangerous circumstances. However, all
of that could be completely avoided if cities and states
followed federal law like they're supposed to, which says that
if you detain somebody and you find out they're an
illegal alien, that you must contact Ice and let them
(05:10):
know this person that we just arrested for domestic violence
also is not a legal citizen, and then let the
federal government come in and take care of it from
there on out. But you don't, as a matter of fact,
you backdoor these people out. You've got judges who are
trying to hide these people and get them back out
into the public. And so that's what's creating the dangerous situations.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
The threat of Chicago having National guardsmen, and there were
plainly over the weekend the LoveFest. Now somebody died, but
those were those that was gunfire of celebration. They were
all excited that the National Guard was not going to
come in and patrol the streets in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I mean, I don't know if you saw the comments
or heard the comments of Brandon Johnson, but they were
alerted to these shootings a week in advance. It was
on social media that there was a thousands.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Of teenagers a teen takeover.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, we're planning to come and bring fire arms with them.
And as Brandon Johnson said, we worked with the schools,
did you You worked with the counselors to make sure
let them know that killing each other is a bad idea.
And then we brought in extra police officers just for
this event. And so here's the city of Chicago so
(06:23):
weak and an ept that when you're told that there's
going to be an attack a week in advance, you
people are so soft. You can't stop a group of
teenagers from shooting and killing each other. That's insane. And
then it's the same city where you know, you do
nothing to protect the people riding mass transit. And that's
how you had a woman barbecue. She's set a blaze
(06:47):
because of a person who was arrested seventy five times.
I think it was, Yeah, and you just, out of empathy,
keep putting these people back on the streets.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
So and your original effort to defund the policeman replace
them with social workers. Those social workers who had a
week in advance to know that the team takeover with
guns was going to be happening. You weren't able to
avoid that crisis with your new thought process in your
sanctuary city. You screaming, knucklehead. How was this How was
(07:16):
this guy able to actually walk out of any building
and make it to his car without the citizens pummeling
him with stones?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Do I need to remind you about his escorts? So
for people who don't know backstory, lease dollars went. Well,
if you don't know about the backstory on Brandon Johnson.
When Brandon Johnson became the mayor and he replaced what
we had considered to be the most inept mayor in
American history in Lori Lightfoot, he upped the ineptitude. And
one of the first things Brandon Johnson did, because we're
(07:45):
all playing I guess checkers and he's playing three D
chess over there with Kamala Harris, he went to the
school boards of Chicago and said, we're sending a bad
message to the children of Chicago by having resource off
at the schools. It makes them feel unsafe. We should,
(08:05):
if we care about the children, get rid of the
resource officers. So he was able to convince the Chicago
school boards to do that, and then he took every
one of those resource officers and he assigned him to
his own protection detail. So his protection detail right now
is something like four hundred strong. He marches through Chicago
like a flip and army. He's got more detail than
(08:27):
the President of the United States has. So yeah, he
can march anywhere he wants in the city and feel safe.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
What an embarrassment. Oh look, wait a minute, Hang on
a second, we got a big phone call coming into
the Jonathan and Kelly Double Secret Reprobationary Hotline. Kelly Nash,
welcome on the phone in South Carolina's Attorney General and
gubernatorial hopeful, Alan Wilson.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Good morning, sir, Good morning, Good morning, gentlemen. It's great
to be with you. I hope you're having a great
week so far.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
We are as we head into Thanksgiving. You've seen a
lot of the state here as of late, as you're
out here campaigning real hard, and understand that you're scooping
up endorsements.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Oh absolutely. Earlier this past week, we announced forty five
Low Country endorsements. To go along with the twenty three
sheriff endorsements we've gotten across the state, we announced a
bunch of other endorsements that had to deal with local
law not just local law enforcement. The mayor's city council,
County council, county lot officials as well as school board members,
and so we're starting to roll these endorsements out and
(09:23):
it's really starting to show energy in the campaign around
the state. I'm really excited about it.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Maybe it's just a holiday season is getting me kind
of in a rush, and maybe my mindset's a little edgy,
or maybe it's the continuation of driving on South Carolina's roads,
But I'm telling you, over the past week, it has
really gotten out of control for at least for the
routes that I take. If I were the governor of
the state, I'd be embarrassed to have anybody come travel
our state's roads. Tell me, how are we going to
(09:49):
fix all this, because this is a huge problem for us.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Well, Jonathan, look, I've been thinking about this for a
long time, and there's a lot of things that we
can do to be innovative about how we address infrastructure
from South Carolina. When I traveled the state, I ask
this question of every group I'm talking to, who is
the largest landowner in the state of South Carolina. Well,
it's the state of South Carolina. When you're driving up
and down the highways and interstates, especially the interstates, all
(10:13):
of that grass between the left and right sides of
the lane, the north and southbound lanes, and the east
and westbound lanes that is owned by the state of
South Carolina. Why are we not creating toll road expressways
like other states are doing. I mean, we own that land.
Let's monetize it, Let private public partnerships exist, and let's
go ahead and let private companies pay those roles toll
the pay the bond off, and then open it up
(10:35):
to the public in ten or fifteen years. But let
our friends from up north and down south who are
driving through our state help us pay for our infrastructure.
Let's privatize the rest areas along the way and putting
gas stations and restaurants there. Allow the revenues of that
to feed infrastructure. Let's lease the easements on the left
and the right side of the interstates to energy and
telecommunications companies laying fiber optics and gas lines. There's so
(10:57):
many things we can do. And also one last thing
we could do is let's have mixed use buildings for
state government buildings. Let's collect the property taxes from private
sector folks on the ground floor of state government buildings
like restaurant owners and retail owners and business owners, and
let's allow the funds of those property taxes to go
to infrastructure. We're not being as innovative as other states.
(11:18):
We can do better, and we can use the proceeds
and profits of that innovation to help fund our infrastructure
here in South Carolina.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Talking with Attorney General Allan Wilson running for governor and
recently Scout Motors made a decision. We have given them
one point three billion dollars in incentives to build their
plant here in Richland County, but their headquarters was, I
guess still up for debate, and they decided to build
that in Charlotte. When the governor was asked about that,
(11:48):
he said, it would have been nice to get the
white collar jobs, but we're focused on the blue collar
manufacturing jobs. Do you believe that Richland County and or
South Carolina is not really in the running to get
corporate headquarters here.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Well, I think that might have been specific. I mean,
Scout obviously was interested in bringing their operation here, but
obviously there was a lot of internal politics going on
with you know, some of the things that they wanted
to do with the auto dealer franchise laws in South
Carolina and how whether or not they could direct sell
to customers like Tesla does. Obviously, that was not something
South Carolina allows, and I think they probably calculated that
(12:23):
into their decision. But look, the most important thing we
want people to know is we want businesses coming to
South Carolina to know that when they come here, they
can take deep routes, they can produce a profit, and
they can make goods that are affordable for South Carolina families.
South Carolina, whether you're Scout Motors or a mom and pop,
we need to create incentive structures. It's kind of like
an nil game, right, It's like players go where the
(12:46):
nil money is. Well, businesses go where states are creating
the most opportunity. We want to create opportunity that incentivizes
companies to come here. In order to do that, we've
got to up our game in recruiting, and that's one
of the things I'm going to focus on when I'm governor.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
One of the things that's been kind of a it
hasn't been a secret, we've been talking about it that well,
but I don't know if hear the General Assembly address
this issue, is that our retirement system is woefully behind
in funding it, and we continue to add to it,
and knowing that the total unfunded liability, meaning the amount
of time that we still have currently uncontracted employees, is
(13:20):
only going to get a steeper in the hole. Somebody's
going to have to stand up of the governor's bully
pulpit and start screaming about the fact that we've got
a reckoning coming financially if we don't do something about it,
how are you going to help the General Assembly move
on this issue or what are we going to do
to shore up that cash problem?
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Well, first off, its getting people to recognize that there
is a problem right now. People recognize that there's a
roads and bridges problem because bridges are falling and people
are running over potholes. When you're talking about pension, it's
like talking about mental health. You can't see the problem,
you can't feel the problem yet, right and so too,
you know, people don't run over a bad pension system,
they do run over a pothole. So that's that's what
(13:57):
the politicians here. You have to basically have to incentivize politicians,
the elected officials in the legislature to see that there
is a pension problem and that we have to get
you know, we have to get down and address it.
One of the things as governor I'm going to do
is to create advisory groups on various issues, including infrastructure, energy, education,
and of course our state's retirement system. These are things
(14:17):
that I've decided to focus on, and I want to
bring stakeholders together to sit around the table to advise
both in the self and leaders in the General Assembly,
to give us basically economic modeling, give us courses of
action to pursue, and give us a roadmap to address it.
So we're going to the second I'm sworn in, actually
two months before I'm sworn in the day after I'm elected,
We're going to put these groups together and have them
(14:38):
start putting together a plan and a course of action
for us to address. But it requires the executive and
legislative branches coming together and recognizing that there is a problem,
and just because you don't feel it when you're driving
down the road, or just because you can't see it yet,
doesn't mean it's not real, doesn't mean it's not coming
for us.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Talking with the Attorney General Alan Wilson, and I want
to salute you. You took advantage of one of your
opponent gaffes, kind of like Donald Trump took advantage of
one of his opponent's gaffs and he ended up working
the drive through at McDonald's. To draw attention to that,
you ended up delivering breakfast to a bunch of airport employees.
The biggest question I have is how did you decide
(15:17):
because you went, you went with both Chick fil a
and waffle House.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Well, well, well, Kelly, First off, who doesn't like Chick
fil A and waffle House? Oh?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
So I get double, I get the double breakfast. Oh
I love it.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Well, I mean, obviously we want to give them variety.
And also we were trying to send a message, you know.
First off, I want to send a message that we
support local law enforcement. We support the men and women
both state and federal, many of whom during that time
were working without pay, right who work hard to do
their jobs. They were berated, they were cussed out, they
were told they were incompetent, and their jobs were threatened,
(15:51):
you know, and not just me, but dozens of low
country elected officials, including two US Senators and a number
of other elected officials came to their defense. And I
want to do a nice gesture, and of course it
was you know, we thought to do waffle House and
we thought to do Chick fil A because we thought
that those are two well known restaurants that people like. That. Also,
(16:11):
there was a little bit of symbolism embedded in that.
I'll let you infer what you want from that, but
we just kind of wanted to send a message to
compare and contrast how we view them compared to how
other people view them.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Well, sir, I appreciate you traveling the state, and I
know that you need. You actually have probably of all
the candidates that I've heard from thus far, experience more potholes.
So I'm glad to know that you're out there traveling
the state, and I hope the other candidates do as well.
As we get ready for debates coming up, that's going
to be very interesting as we see hopefully our political
iron sharp and iron so the South Carolina hopefully Electric
(16:45):
will get more involved this year as to who's going
to lead our state. We need, we have some big
challenges coming our way, and I'm looking forward to hearing
more from your platform as we talk with other candidates
as well in a debate.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Well, look, I appreciate both of you. You guys have
done a phenomenal job over the years of framing the issues.
I love the rash thoughts. I love how you guys
just talk about issues in a very plain spoken way,
in the way that real families understand, you know, the
kitchen table issues that people talk about and care about.
You guys are great at, you know, talking about those.
That's why I love coming on your show, and I
love the platform you give me to talk to you
the listeners. This is my hometown, this is my community,
(17:19):
and I appreciate it very much. And look, I hope
you guys have an amazing holiday and I look forward
to seeing you. I know we're not gonna have much
of a ball season this year. I'm still going to
enjoy the Palmetto Bowl this coming week and I look
forward to seeing them play in both Carolina and Clemson.
I know you both do as well.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I'll let you know if I've enjoyed it after the
game is over.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
South Carolina Attorney General and gubernatorial hopeful Alan Wilson, thank
you for your time, sir.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Thank you gentlemen.
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