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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Jonathan and Kelly Show. Jonathan Ernie Texas
Blue is what I want to talk to y'all about today.
There are those that say, ain't no way, we didn't
try it fifty kinds of ways, Kelly Nash, y'all ain't
never tried at the JC way. So I just want
to be clear, Paul of hate us in the back.

(00:20):
Listen up, real loud.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
We gonna get this thing.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Done the Jonathan and Kelly Show.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
BOC now.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
I'm sure her announcement for the Texas Senate seat that
was our friend j C. As she calls herself, which
is my first question, is she now JC? Is Jasmine
Crockett now JC. I think this is a soft launch.
We're gonna try to see if that catches on, like
MJ for Michael Jordan or you know, other people come
up with their initials. I don't it sounds too close
to j C.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Penny, which is a discount brand, which is I propos
for her, But I don't think that it's gonna work.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Okay, just in that one snippet, I have two other questions.
The listen loud. Is it incumbent upon my ears to
be able to hear louder Well.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
I was going to say, if in order to turn
Texas blue, the people need to follow your instructions, and
the first instruction you give is an impossibility. I cannot
listen loud. So the whole thing's of failure right from
the get go.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
And as she pointed out, they've done tried it fifty
times before. It's kind of like socialism, Kelly, that you
haven't done it the right way. So Bernie's going to
teach you with Zorron how to do socialism, and jayc
as she calls herself, is going to teach you how
to flip Texas blue. Now, some of her just after

(01:38):
her announcement, if you've been on social media, the mining
of all of the audio that we have now to
enjoy and laugh out loud or are some of her
policy positions that seemilarly she made up on the spot.
One of them is she admitted she heard like a
celebrity said that, you know that African Americans shouldn't have
to pay taxes because they didn't did reparations instead of reparations,

(02:03):
You don't have to pay taxes, but a lot of
African Americans don't necessarily pay taxes now, so that that's
not a benefit to them.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Well, I would say that her argument, the reparations argument,
is a horrible argument. The idea and the way she
worded it was so our people have been set back,
were so behind because of the slave trade. And she's
sitting there, an elected federal official talking to another African

(02:33):
American female who is a local media journalist, both of
whom are dressed to the nines wearing you know, thousand
dollars outfits who has been hurt here, unless you're attempting
to self victimize and if you're self victimizing, at least,
as Jonathan said, be poor. And if you're gonna be poor,

(02:54):
then you're not paying taxes. So I mean, none of
the argument again, like listen loud, no taxes for poor
people is already a thing.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Now unless I well, because I'm a white guy, I'm
a white male, middle class Christian, you're.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
A conservative thing. All the offensive things.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
She couldn't even hear me scream because she doesn't allow
herself to hear people like me speech. She doesn't listen
loud to you. She wouldn't listen loud enough to even
understand that. I would agree with her that you've been
set back, but it wasn't because your ancestors were enslaved,
if in case or in fact they were, And we
don't even know how to discern that, given that a
lot of the African Americans who came here to trace

(03:35):
their genealogy through Europe. So there's a lot going on
with that argument. But I do agree with the fact
you've been held back. You've been held back by a
lot of things, and all of it points to the
damn Democrat Party, and a lot of it goes back
as far as at least the damn Kennedy family. And
I refuse, except for RFK Jr. I refuse to worship
at the Kennedy altar because you're African American or a

(03:59):
lot of mayor Murricans, a large portion of them African Americans.
Certainly percentage would be so as the offspring of the
children that we see in school have been held back
by a poor education system, directed dominated dictated by the
Democrat Party. I got it. That's one of the reasons
why you're not generating enough income to actually have to

(04:19):
pay taxes.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Well, the thing about life is that you can only
be accountable for yours you can't actually like you can
only Bill Clinton one time. This is the first time
I've heard it. I'm sure it was an old phrase
even when he said it. But you can only play
the hand your dealt. So whatever you were, whatever your
dealt in life, good looking, ugly, obesity, cancer ridden, poverty,

(04:44):
whatever you got, that's your hand. And then you get
to do with that hand whatever you can. And there's
certainly no guarantee that the next generation is going to
take advantage of it. We always hear about people talking
about I'm standing on the shoulders of so and so. Well.
Oftentimes people whose parents done well, they fall and so
their children are set back and then they have to

(05:06):
rise up and do whatever. So it is what it is.
But this whole idea of I heard a black commentator
yesterday commenting that one of the things that he, as
a black man, he was frustrated with was he said,
look at Karen Bass, Brandon Johnson, and he just started

(05:28):
going through black mayors in America, mayor of Baltimore, mayor
a DC. It doesn't matter which major city that you
have a black mayor in. He said. The one thing
that they all have in common besides being black, is
that once they got in power, they didn't do anything
to help black people. They actually hurt black people because

(05:50):
all of those places not only are Democrat run cities,
that are also known as sanctuary cities. And as a
sanctuary city, you've imported people to literally take the jobs
of the people on the bottom rung of the socioeconomic scale.
And if the usually the people on the bottom rung,
unfortunately are African Americans, so when you take their jobs.

(06:11):
For example, here in Augusta, my wife's uncle had his
own business. He lost that business about fifteen years ago
as people from Mexico came in and were not working
for minimum wage. They undercut him. What's he going to
do If I'm going to follow the law, I got
to pay people minimum wage. And if I'm going to

(06:33):
pay people minimum wage, the minimum I can bid on
this job is say five thousand dollars. Well, they'll come
in and do it for thirty five hundred. So he
could not stay. He lost his business due to poor
immigration policies. And that's one of the things that is
just continues to hammer black Americans is black mayors not

(06:55):
only have sanctuary cities, they have week on crime policies
that lead to more victimization in black neighborhoods. Brandon Johnson
this week announced he's so proud of himself. Congratulations Brandon.
Let's go Brandon. Brandon Johnson raised taxes in the three
blackest neighborhoods. He raised him on average one hundred percent,

(07:19):
So the property taxes in one of the three districts
went from They were sewing it on Fox thirty five,
the local Fox affiliate out there in Chicago. The lady
was stunned. Median income in that neighborhood is twenty eight
thousand dollars a year. Median property tax was nine hundred
and eighty dollars a year. The new median income taxes
thirty one hundred a year. Those are pretty much, almost

(07:42):
exclusively Black families that have just got tripled on their
property taxes. They're all going to Oh and he said,
by the way, if you don't want to pay it
right now, that's okay. We'll give you a thirteen month loan.
You could pay it off at nineteen percent interests. Oh
my god, he's a freaking loan shark.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
I did you see another interview with someone who's asking
one of the city council members about that. She was
answering the question, you've got downtown areas where they have
these very expensive properties, offices are vacant. That started with COVID,
so it continues to be not a profitable or as profitable.

(08:18):
But she was trying to defend the amount of taxes
that they're increasing for these business owners who own these buildings,
because they're not raising the taxes, as I understood her
argument as high as they could have.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
And Brandon was literally crying because they didn't give him
his head tax count.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
He wanted his head tax count, and the aldermen, which
are city council members, they overwhelmingly rejected it, as did
the governor. He wanted to charge you twenty one dollars
per person for every person in your company. And he
redefined what a small business was. So it was previously
in Illinois anything less than five hundred people was considered
a small business. He wanted it. I think anything less

(09:00):
than fifty was a small business. So the majority of
the people paying taxes would have employed about one hundred
people as according to these aldermen, which would have run
everybody out of business.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
So and now I did not see or this wasn't
part of our announcement from JC as this podcast began.
But I did see the rollout of her announcement for
the Senate seat, where she used audio from Donald Trump
describing her as a low IQ person repeatedly while you

(09:29):
saw her in just looking off into the distance and
then turning to face the camera. But if you look
at what happened in New York with Zohan, you look
at Virginia, New Jersey to a lesser degree because of
the constituency. You can't just run your campaign in Texas

(09:49):
being anti Donald Trump. You're going to have to bring
more of a progressive nature to it. And she seems
to be running, at least with her announcement video exclusively
against Donald Trump. So and she's already made the reference
again this week to Donald Trump or Stephen Miller being
a white supremacist while she referenced Trump as Hitler. So

(10:12):
I guess she's going to close the loop here on
and I'm guessing what's going to happen. She's going to
close the loop here on Hitler's inner circle. So I
don't know, would Stephen Miller be Goebels, would he be
Hitler's propagandist. Would he be Tom or would he in
fact be I had to look at this guy's name
up again because I've forgotten who he was, Martin Boren,

(10:35):
who was like the chief executive assistant to Hitler. W
Or is that JD. Vance. Now we all know that
Joseph Goebbels would be represented today by RFK Junior because
plainly with his vaccination stance, he's trying to kill America.
And we know that Tom Homan, I guess would be
Heinrich Himmler, remember he was the head of the SS.

(10:58):
Or maybe that would be Christy Nolm. She's going to
take the whole Hitler inner circle and attach the persons
today who have recreated the fourth White.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Well, you know, that gets her a lot of publicity,
these attacks on Trump. And remember she took shots at
the governor Governor hot Wheels, and that got her a
lot of attention as well, because obviously he's in a
wheelchair and so she thought it was funny to call
him Governor hot Wheels. And so the guy that she's replacing,
because the guy who was running to be the Democrat,

(11:31):
first Democrat senator in a while from Texas has a
guy named Colin Allred. Now Colin Allred ran in twenty
twenty four and was beated or beated. He was defeated
by Ted Cruz almost by ten points, which is kind
of standard fare for a Texas election. So Ted Cruz

(11:51):
had fifty three and a half percent, Colin Alred had
forty four and a half percent. That's about a little
more than nine hundred, almost almost a million vote difference
in an presidential election year, he lost by a million votes.
He was trying to run this time to take on
Senator John Cornyn. The question becomes in an off year,

(12:15):
meaning so there's going to be fewer people coming to
the polls. Can you make up a million vote difference
by attacking Donald Trump? That's what Jasmine Crockett seems to
be betting on. Now again, there's always the worry that
because Donald Trump's name is not on the ballot, that
voter turnout by the Republicans will be lower. And there

(12:39):
is a very motivated liberal group in everywhere everywhere in America,
there's a very motivated group of kooks. But I think
that most Americans see the danger and recognize how important
it is to vote in these elections. So unless she
has some sort of new inroad. The argument that Donald
Trump is susceptible to that, he's I mean, I think

(13:02):
he's going to ultimately win. This argument. Is the affordability
that has not really come into check yet. I don't
think it will come into check, maybe even before the
midterm itself. At the earliest. I would expect prices to
level off and maybe go backwards in the summer. We're

(13:23):
seeing it in certain things. Gas is all time low
right now. I mean, what are we had two sixty
again restates.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
It came in at the dollar ninety nine, accorded to
Trump yesterday, So it's like two.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Sixty nationally or something like that is the national average.
I ran a report on one of my shows yesterday,
June of twenty twenty two, national gas average was for
sixty two a gallon. So and that was during the
height of Biden's inflation, and he had a board, you know,
he had an inflation czar and all of that, and

(13:55):
it just got worse from there. So the prices that
were still suffering or were created by Joe Biden. Donald
Trump said he was going to address it. He has
addressed it in the Big Beautiful Bill. That won't really
kick in until next year, so we're just at a
waiting thing. I think Donald Trump, if I was with

(14:16):
the Trump administration, I would be addressing a lot more
of it. I think the president's actually going out and
giving some speech he's he really needs. And I don't know.
Bill O'Reilly had the suggestion and he ignored him. I
think Bill O'Reilly was dead on last month when he
said you should appoint your own inflation or affordabilities are
and talk about where you're having success in what areas

(14:37):
you feel like there's still work to be done. Where
could the government in a conservative manner help really the
younger people in America, Because it's the younger people that
you're losing, the younger people who, according to the pre
election polls gave you like a sixty forty favorability on
handling the economy over Biden. Right now you're down to

(14:58):
like you lost like fifty percent that vote. You're down
to like thirty percent now amongst people under the age
of thirty because they don't see a break, they don't
see an opportunity for them to buy into the American dream.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
And they're not slowing down enough and at least, as
you mentioned, if you had a TZAR and I missed
my dream of all dreams, which would be an outsider
as the president, which I got, But I wanted the
VP to be a forensic accountant and he would be
the in fact what we learned to be doge. But
it wouldn't have ever come off. It would have been
a Doberman on a bone, because we've seen now just

(15:28):
in Minnesota, how much money is being wasted from a
fedes through the States as a pass through to damn
terrorist But as you point out, it would be great
to have someone who was giving a daily update and
do it in such a way that you could make
a social media post out of it, consume it in
forty five seconds, if for no other reason. To go back,
for instance, with the arguments that you pointed out, we

(15:50):
only have four meat producing plants, and although the farmers
aren't getting more money necessarily on the hoof at the
market for beef, we're not seeing a reduction in the
price at the grocery store. And many have pointed to
possible collusion and the FTC is going to be investigating
these four meat producers. Well, that'd be great to have,
like a forty five second blurb on that and then

(16:12):
move on to another organization or another situation that you
believe you've either found the bottleneck and why the trickle down?
Is it trickling down? Because at a dollar ninety nine
in three states and two sixty five nationally, certainly the
prices of everything has gone down, given that diesel has
going not as dramatic, but diesel has come down as well,

(16:32):
and everything that gets to the store is being trucked.
And previously under the Biden administration, the four dollars and
fifty cent gallon per gallon cost was driving up the
cost of everything. But it would be great if we
had that from his administration. That was a great idea.
I hate you and listen to Bill O'Reilly.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, I mean again, it's really just a public image
thing right now, and you're not I mean, I think
what's his name, Scott Bessen said it very well on Sunday.
We're not going to get in the business of telling
the American people that their feelings aren't real. That was
what the Joe Biden administration did.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
You know.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
You would say inflation's out of control, and they would
say it's you have no idea, how better it is
here compared to other countries and all this, and by
the way, that was all a lie. If you look
at Western cultures, even Eastern even even in Japan, they
didn't have inflation like we had. So it wasn't that
way in England, it wasn't this way in Australia, it

(17:26):
wasn't this way in Spain, France, wherever you want to look.
America had the highest spike in inflation over that post
COVID era twenty twenty one to twenty twenty four under
Joe Biden. And they're telling you, well, you don't know
how good you got it. That didn't work. And then
you got Janet Yellen admitting she's an idiot. She's on
that I guess I was wrong about inflation. Hell you

(17:47):
damn right, you are, lady.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
And on top of that, you're being sold to bill
of goods that we're going to bring the prices down
because of the Inflation Reduction Act.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
That was the worst. We're gonna pump billion trillions into
the economy and that should make the dollar more valuable.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
That does make it make sense. It can't, but a
lot of people were just hearing inflation Reduction Act. Oh,
what a great idea. Let's do that. You don't ever
read down past the third paragraph if you even picked
up a news article to read to begin with, because
you're just taking your spoon fed news out of CBS
and before you know it, public the public believes, as
they do now, that the inflation is hurting them to

(18:25):
the point where it's driven his economy rating down in
the thirties and the low thirties.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, we need to we need to fix it. And
again it takes a little while he's ten months on
the job. I feel like he has stabilized the economy.
I think that the big beautiful Bill will deregulate a
lot of industries and it will should start making prices
more affordable. I don't know if it kicks in by

(18:51):
the summer, which is really when you need it to
kick in by in order to have an impact on
the midterms.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
And although the young people in particular don't ever want
a history lesson, but if you took and I know
he believes he's more of a conservative and a better
president than Ronald Reagan, but if you took the out
of control inflation that Jimmy Carter had created, and then
look how long it took for Ronald Reagan to turn
that damn aircraft carrier around to get the economy going again.

(19:16):
It was longer than two years, it.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Was, Yeah, I would say it was around twenty four months.
So it's but again, the thing under Jimmy Carter was
just stagflation of that era is unbelievable. So, I mean,
we're thankfully we're not in that bad of a predicament.
But the thing that's killing us is the debt right now,
and that's going to be a permanent problem, at least

(19:39):
for our lifetimes, it seems, because nobody is serious about
addressing that. Donald Trump's not serious about it. And I
understand Donald Trump's position because as a businessman, whenever he's
had a problem, he could grow his way out of
the problem. And you hear this from like entrepreneurs. Often
they'll say something about, you don't have a spending problem,

(20:00):
You've got an earnings problem. You need to earn more money.
Don't worry about like you know, these rich guys, they'll say,
don't worry about trying to not go to Starbucks and
get your morning coffee and save you know, forty dollars
a week or something, go out and make an extra
four hundred a week. That's what you should be doing,
and that's how you grow your way out of it.
But the problem is, at thirty seven trillion dollars in debt,

(20:23):
there's no possible way that you could grow the economy.
You'd have to like quadruple our economy in order to
start trying to get out of this thing, which is
not a possibility. I mean, if you grow up ten percent,
that's a massive increase, but that doesn't even address the problem.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
So if you take the money that you're seeing this
coming in out of the although the tariffs were a
little bit of the problem we created and they get
to begin with. But if you take the money that
we've seen, maybe the fact that he's going to be
giving that money to the farmers, if you took money
directly that you generated out of the tariffs and apply
to against the debt, you're still not going to be
able to catch up with nor would that be the
best way to utilize that money. And I did think

(21:00):
of it. I laughed out loud this morning when I
heard some Democrats on MS. Now I believe scoffing at
the fact that he's claiming that this is some type
of loan to the farmers. He never said that, but
it is in fact a subsidy. And for a Conservative
to even utter the word or come close to giving
a subsidy to farmers in this particular case, flies in

(21:23):
the face. I mean, they were outraged by it, and
I'm like, the Democrat Party does nothing but suck that
create teats every day for subsidies across every damn segment
of the population in this country. So suddenly, don't don't
feign outrage here?

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Well, and again we've talked about the uniparty. So both
sides are the same coin. They both want to grow government.
The question is what side of government are they trying
to grow? You know, Democrats it's more about the services
and the Republicans a quote unquote the Conservatives are more
interested in growing in the military and that sort of stuff.

(22:00):
The prom When I talk about debt, here's the way
I look at it. If you were to just because
you hear thirty we just crossed thirty eight trillion dollars
in debt. If you hear that and you really it
just kind of glosses over. Take it down to you
to your salary. Imagine you make your household income is
two hundred thousand dollars a year. That's a pretty good

(22:21):
stinking income. Two hundred thousand dollars a year that a
lot of people can comprehend what it would be like
if you're not already making two hundred thousand as a family,
you and your wife or whatever. But you can imagine
two hundred thousand dollars a year. However, what you're spending,
and again on the two hundred thousand dollars is to
be take home, you're spending four hundred thousand dollars a year. Okay,

(22:43):
So now you're saying I want to make more money.
I'm gonna make more money. But even if you went
to two point fifty or three hundred, you're still in
a deficit spending thing. On top of it, you've got
the compounding interest of what you owe. We are spending
right now as a country, we spend about one hundred

(23:04):
and seventeen percent of what we earn. So I guess
a better example would be if you made two hundred thousand,
but you're spending two hundred and fifty thousand a year.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
You can't continue that, and that's just to cover your deficit.
We ain't talked about the debt yet.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah, oh yeah, we again. So again, you'd be two
hundred thousand, but you have a twenty million dollar debt.
It's an unconceivable amount of money that you owe, and
yet you continue to spend like a drunken sailor. You've
got to address that in order to get your house
in order. And if your house is not in order,
no wonder. There's chaos rating in America these days.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
And so if the age old ad is is true
that a housewife can spoon out the back door more
than a man can shovel in the front, and you
take situations that we're just seen develop and now it's
getting even worse by the hour with the Minnesota federal
money being run through the DHS or other departments that
would be taking the money and then not only using

(24:00):
the system to take more money, but then possibly finally
get the terrorist. Hello, hey, in the state of South Carolina.
As we have five minutes left in our podcast, we
had good news and hopeful news because Santie Cooper have
been talking with several companies, one of them we mentioned
on this podcast in our other rashthas and the like
was Brookfield, which is now the new parent company of Westinghouse,

(24:23):
which is still a bad taste in my mouth, given
we're talking about the hole in the ground that was
supposed to be VC Summer's Fairfield facility for nuclear power.
Now we've got a new deal with two point seven
billion in cash, which almost pays off the outstanding debt
for the ratepayers.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, and this is a problem. I think we started
the planning phase of this back in two thousand and eight,
but we actually started the construction phase in twenty thirteen.
And I mean when that news hit in twenty seventeen
that they were just pulling the plug on it, I mean,
I don't know how many people realized what a huge

(25:04):
burden that just became to the state of South Carolina.
Three billion dollars more than three billion owed by you,
the taxpayer, and by you specifically the energy rate payer,
and it was it has been a huge burden for
all South Carolinians. And now they've got this two point

(25:26):
seven billion dollar deal that will alleviate almost all of
the three billion dollars still owed, and so the rate
payer will the taxpayer will be liable for nothing. I
guess moving on and it will just be three hundred
million owned by the rate payers in the and that
should be paid off in like a year or two,

(25:48):
so they'll be able to knock that out and get
themselves back to even And it's exciting in the sense
that you know, as you look at nuclear energy, we
haven't really developed nuclear energy in the last what forty
years in America. There's been a couple of openings and
they've been doing these micro plant type of things, and
I know Georgia came online with a couple few years ago,

(26:09):
but we'll have in twenty thirty. They're saying two basically
brand new plants will come online and South Carolina will
be one of the major nuclear producers, and the ratepayers
here in South Carolina will have access. There'll be twenty
five percent owners of those two plants, so they'll be
able to get energy off of that as well.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
One of the things I've always had a hard time
wrapping my gord around was the fact that the state
of South Carolina, and we see so many times just
in practicality how inefficient government is, but we insist on
being in the energy business because Santi Cooper is in
fact owned by the state of South Carolina. I don't
even realize that thirty nine or forty other states also
own electric enti entities like Santi Cooper. But in fact

(26:56):
it's not as unusual as I first thought it was.
But I'm glad to see that we at least going forward,
we have new technologies coming online with this new deal
that hopefully will unlike the last time that Westinghouse was involved,
Unlike the last time, we'll actually see it through to

(27:16):
fruition and become highly efficient in that we will own
twenty five percent of the output array.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah, and Brookfield is basically they bought Westinghouse, right, so
when Westinghouse was going belly up, because they were not
just losing the entire plant here in South Carolina, there
were several other deals that went belly up for them
in twenty seventeen as well. So there was massive fraud
in their company. There was fraud here was I mean,

(27:43):
it was just a disaster. So hopefully this company, Brookfield,
under new leadership, under new management, they're going to be
able to make this thing really work well. The country
is dependent upon it. I mean, the energy is when
you think about a and there's an AI race going
on the one thing that we're susceptible to, because we

(28:04):
do have a lead on China. But the thing that
we are susceptible to is not being able to keep
the energy. And China is ahead of us on energy.
They've got We've talked about they've got a dam that
actually so big it slowed the rotation of the earth
by it's like a quarter of a second year. They
are really all in on the energy they're computing is

(28:25):
just about six months, is what I'm told behind us.
So we should win the AI race as long as
we can keep the energy up, and we certainly will
be contributing at least our share with two new nuclear plants.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Well, at this point we got the move, the MoU,
the memorandum of understanding, Okay, and now we move forward
and over the next several months, book Field and Santie
Cooper Wild choose a project manager, engineering, procurement and construction companies.
According to this presentation, company will also make sure the
project is feasible. That'll come in handy, yeah, and making

(28:59):
sure a final investment decision. Cans Cooper will receive two
point seven billion once the final deal is struck. So
we're still this is still a mo OU, a memorandum
of understanding. We're looking to get a finalized deal South
Carolina fingers crossed. Put that only your prayer, least for Christmas.
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