May 4, 2025 • 22 mins
Arlene Cohen Miller discusses her admiration for Richard Bach's "Illusions," highlighting key moments and themes that resonate with her. She delves into how the book's ideas connect to her life and work, while LS Kirkpatrick shares a personal connection to its themes. Arlene also touches on her educational background and influences that shaped her perspective. The conversation shifts to reflections on modern youth, technology, and the evolving societal landscape. The episode concludes with closing remarks and provides contact information for listeners interested in further engagement.
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So welcome to another episode of readingbetween the words.
And today, we have Arlene with us.
Arlene, how are you doing?
I am great.
Lovely to be here.
Awesome.
Awesome.
So tell us just a little bit about yourself.
Well, I am a work life harmony and leadershipcoach.
I'm also, an attorney still an attorney inColorado.
(00:36):
I've had, a solo practice in a suburb ofCleveland, Ohio and a partnership in Longmont,
Colorado that was sold several years ago.
And now I am a leadership, harmony, coach forwomen and also a transformational mentor for
men and women.
(00:57):
And, I'm working on getting out there and doingspeaking and, workshops.
That's sort of my next step in life, and, sothat's what I do.
That's awesome.
That's really great.
So tell us about your book.
What we wanna know, first, just show us thebook, tell us the title, and maybe just a
little bit about what it is.
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It's called illusions.
It's called illusions, and it's by it's theit's the adventures of a reluctant messiah by
Richard Bach.
And Okay.
It's we're having a hard time, so you all cansee it.
So hopefully, can have a look at it.
But it is illusions.
It's by Richard Bach.
You can find it on Amazon.
He is an amazing author.
(01:39):
He's written so many really great books.
They're they're, like, really easy reads, butthey go really, really deep.
And Illusions, the adventures of a a reluctantmessiah, it's about, it's, like, happens, like,
in the fifties or the sixties.
And, basically, this guy has this little hopperplane, and he can land it anywhere.
(02:00):
And, you know, he doesn't really wanna be tooconnected with people, and he'll he'll take
people on, like, you know, a three minute planeride, and they'll pay him $10.
And, you know, that's how he makes his money,and he doesn't have to have a home.
He just camps out wherever he goes.
And, by chance, he finds, like, a really,enlightened person who can guide him and to
(02:23):
sort of take him to the next step in his life.
And, it's just a really cool book because, it'snot the way, you know, someone would think that
a messiah would be, and, you know, he was justan ordinary guy who had sort of extraordinary
skills and abilities to sort of help him to, towake up to more of his best self.
(02:44):
And I don't know.
I just find it I find Richard Bach really funand inspiring because there's not a lot of big
words.
It doesn't go on and on.
It's not a thick book at all.
It's a pretty thin book.
And you just you just it's you go on a journeywith him no matter where you go.
That's awesome.
So for our listeners, normally, it's a bookthat you have written yourself, but this is
(03:08):
okay.
This is okay because we like books.
That's why we're here.
But really like to hear why you like this bookand why you like this author.
And and you've kind of alluded to that, buttell us some more about why you particularly
like this this author and this book.
Well, I've been on, like, a really bigspiritual journey myself since my son was about
(03:33):
three.
I got divorced, and he developed pretty severeADHD.
And I'm like, I gotta find something to helphim because I just don't wanna stick him on
drugs.
And I went on this big spiritual healingjourney, learned all these different kinds of
healing modalities in an effort to help him,you know, not be you know, if he if he just
lived in the outdoors and he got school outsideand could run around more and not be stuck in
(03:56):
school the way maybe it's more adapted to girlsand boys, he would have probably fine.
So it says a little bit about our world, butthat's when I really started on my spiritual
journey.
And I've, been in all kinds of, mentoring andcoaching programs, and it just sort of really
floats my boat to to be more heart based inwhat I do because that's what spirituality
(04:19):
really means to me.
And so Richard Bach is like that too.
He's like he's not an out there kind of woo wookind of spiritual journey kind of guy.
He's he just sort of tells spiritual stories topeople light up people's hearts and maybe light
the way to a new way of being that's not so inyour mind Mhmm.
Or in your heart with all of his books.
(04:42):
And that's why I've always really gravitatedtowards him.
And the stories are kind of unique andinteresting.
This feels like he's discussed sort of somedownpouring channeling to to send a message to
the world, and I just find his books fun andinspiring without being, you know, too heavy.
I don't know.
(05:02):
There's a really cool comedian out there.
His name is Nate Garbacci, and he does thisfunny kind of bit with books.
And he goes, I have all these books, but theyhave all these words in here, and I don't know
what to do with them.
It's like these big huge books, and he's one ofthese people that gets really overwhelmed with
words.
And I can be that way too.
I have a little bit of that ADD stuff too.
So something that I can really feel and, like,go along with the story and be inspired by,
(05:28):
those are the kind of books that I love toread.
Oh, that sounds really great.
That I like those books too.
It's nice to do it.
So as as you're reading this book, what are thesome of the highlights in it that that really,
I guess, that you connected with?
And and it made you go,
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Yeah.
Well, there is this, so, anyway, they wouldthey ended up, like, flying from place to place
together, and they'd land their planes.
And then they a few people would find them, andthen the whole town would find them, and
everyone would be coming out for these littlethree minute flights on their little hopper
planes, with propellers and everything.
And there was this one time that this,grandfather came with his granddaughter.
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Maybe his granddaughter was eight, and she wasterrified of heights.
And so he brought it so that she would go onthe little hopper plane, but she she's like,
no.
I'm not going.
And so Richard Baugh, the guy who who who wasplaying in the book, he took the the
grandfather on this flight, and they flew overto where the guy's farm was, and they waved at
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his wife.
But, meantime, the guy that was the messiah,unquote, unquote, was back there sitting and
just having this conversation with this younggirl.
And somehow, you know, with how he shared withher and how he listened to her, he got her so
he was like she was, like, really excited aboutgoing up in the plane.
And and she was a second flight for this otherguy who was, like, learning from the messiah,
(06:57):
and he took her up there, and she loved it.
And she got off the plane, and she was jumpingup and down with her grandfather, and she's
going, I know what I'm gonna do when I grow up.
I'm gonna be a pilot.
And so it was, it was, like, a really heartfeltmoment.
And, basically, all he did this, you know,messiah was hold this big, huge, open, judgment
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free, loving space so that she could sort oftalk about her fears.
And he helped her just to let them go.
And then he talked about his love of flying andand all the amazing things he got to do as a
pilot.
And her light the light bulb of her life wentoff, and she sort of found her purpose.
You know?
It was just like it wasn't nearly as many wordsas I talk about here, but you could just feel
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the experience.
You know?
And the other guy who was the learning from themessiah was up in the plane with the
grandfather going, what the heck is going on?
And who is this girl now that, you know, shewas totally different when they landed the
plane?
And so it kinda made the grandfather's day toobecause he had always wanted her his
granddaughter to overcome her fear of heights.
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And in magical moment, she did, and so herwhole life was changed by just being in the
loving loving listening presence of this man.
That is awesome.
I like that.
You know, it just reminds me of of my dad whowas afraid of heights.
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And a close friend who flew thought you know,he was a young man.
He thought, well, I'll just show him.
And so he asked him if he wanted to go up inthe plane, and and dad said yes, which kinda
surprised us, but he went up there.
But instead of caring about how dad isperceiving the world, this guy thought he would
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be funny and do some loops and some spirals andup and down.
I mean, the worst thing you could have possiblydone for someone who's afraid of heights.
And my dad was so scared when he got out of theplane.
He didn't really talk to anybody, but you couldjust see this look on his face.
I'd never seen anything like that before, andit was just it was horrible.
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What could have been a beautiful experience,like, for this young girl, You know, just go
up, take it easy, show him a few things, andand talk about flying, talk about the
experience of being up there and and whateverit is, you know, that that you talk about
people with.
And then come down, and he would have been morewilling to do something again.
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But that was the one and only time he everflew.
Now my dad's brother was a pilot, and he wasjust a gung ho pilot.
You talk about someone with ADHD.
He was just, you know, the textbook example ofsomeone like that.
And my dad never flew with him.
But it was you know, it's interesting.
I love that that this person found a way totalk to this young girl and that she was able
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to see the beauty up there.
I love to fly.
You know?
I've jumped out of airplanes.
I, you know, done that a few times, but Ireally love to fly.
I love being up there.
I love seeing the world.
I love seeing how the whole earth comestogether.
You fly over Grand Canyon.
You look like it 10,000 feet or however high itis, and you see the earth from a very different
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perspective than you would if you were just ina small plane like but he would be fine.
So so the book brings a lot of good things.
One, it's like, yes, you can get over yourfears if they're presented in a way that you
can understand, one, why you're afraid, andtwo, the benefits you get when you're no longer
afraid.
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But but here, this pilot was gentle, took himto some places that were familiar.
Hi, grandma.
How are you down there?
You know?
That's kind of cool.
Yeah.
Or
Go ahead.
Sorry.
I was just gonna say what I really like abouthow they handle that whole situation is that
that's what I learned to do as a coach.
Because one of the because it's the presence wehold so that people can feel heard and
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understood, and and that's what we're taught todo, hold this big judgment free,
unconditionally loving space because mostpeople don't ever get that in their lives.
And then you you feel, heard and seen and ableto talk about whatever's on your mind so that
you can move through to your goals or let go ofwhatever's not working for you.
And so it was like it was a different venue ofthese little propeller planes, but just really
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lovely, heart based enlightened men that wereit wasn't just about the planes.
It was about the experience that they wereproviding, you know, to other people.
And the the young master was learning from theolder master, how he could be better at it and
to really just love and accept himself as hewas with the skills that he had and not, you
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know, sort of view himself as some kind ofweirdo oddball that just really didn't like to
hang out with, quote, normal people that much.
So Yeah.
I just really found it a really cool journey.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
I like that.
It it's I also like that there's a grown up manwilling to learn to to better himself.
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And as entrepreneurs, you know, and authors, wehave to do that.
We keep learning.
We keep learning so that we can get our craftbetter.
We keep learning so we know how to share ourideas and and our books with other people.
And you never stop learning.
When I was young, I was told by someone who wasmy age now, but I was pretty young then, and
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they told me to never stop learning becausethey said, when you stop learning, that's when
you start dying.
And I thought, wow.
That's that just really affected me.
I didn't wanna do that.
I always wanted to learn.
So and I was always curious about everything.
You know?
We've got these great minds that are creative,that are imaginative, that are curious, and we
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need to feed that and nourish it so that itkeeps growing, and we can pass that on as our
legacy.
Yeah.
And I I've I've lived that, you know, because Igot a while while I still had my second law
firm and I was a partner in it in Colorado, Igot a diploma in coaching and mentoring.
I got a diploma in transformational holisticcounseling.
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I became a certified meditation facilitator.
And people always ask me, you know, how doesthat go with being an attorney?
And I'm like, I never say this.
It's like, why not?
You know, I was really interested.
I had some really amazing women friends who hadgotten certified as a coach and as a as a
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counselor.
And I knew that their their their schools thatthey were starting were gonna be heart based,
which is really important to me and not justmental blah blah blah thing.
And the same with the meditation.
I had a friend who, you know, was had beenmeditating and going to school for it for
years, and I knew that that was her area ofexpertise.
And so people always ask me, you know, how doesthat possibly go with being an attorney?
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And I'm like, wow.
Don't put me I've never said this.
Don't put me in a box.
I mean, Yes.
So but that's it.
Yeah.
I had to go back to school and to do that kindof stuff because I was like, oh my gosh.
I don't know if I can do this again.
But it's to have had the courage to do that orjust to say, oh, it's gonna happen.
I'm gonna do it anyway has been, like, the bestthing I ever did.
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And I'm so grateful that I didn't listen topeople that said, well, you're an attorney.
What the heck are you doing?
Yeah.
It's like, but I'm not just an attorney.
Right.
It's like like, I'm not just a mom.
I'm a woman.
I'm a wife.
I'm you know, now I'm a grandmother.
I'm a friend.
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You know?
And and how many had other careers too?
And it's like and I still like to do otherstuff.
You know?
It's it's that's funny you talk about beingscared about going back to college.
I went back and and got my degree, because Ijust didn't finish it when I first got out of
high school.
I just went, you know, did some college thenwent straight into a career.
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And when I went back to school, it's like, I'mgoing to school with kids that are my kids'
age.
You know?
And it's like, that's okay.
But the once they started started asking meabout things that I like to do and what I do,
and I go, well, you know, I've gone skydiving.
I drive a motorcycle.
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I go scuba diving and, you know, mention allthese things.
And they go, oh, you're like that grandma onthat cartoon that looks sweet and innocent.
And then in the background, she's out skydivingand all of this.
And it's like, yeah.
I mean, you know, there's there's more to lifethan than sitting home and knitting at night.
I don't knit, but I've crocheted.
I sold it.
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Yeah.
We like to keep busy.
We've gotta keep our minds active.
No matter what age we are, it's it's it'sreally tough to see a lot of kids that just sit
and play video games when they could be outsideexploring, you know, creating things on their
own.
I just saw in fact, I had a post on on myLinkedIn page that talks oh, it's on my
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Facebook page that talks about this young youngboy who came up with a new way of making solar
work for it looks like a tree.
And so it's not these big, huge panels andstuff that are out there, and it's like, how
creative and ingenious is that?
And it looks attractive.
You know?
So, yeah, I I judged the science competitionthis year locally here in Austin.
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It was a regional event.
It's so amazing.
These great minds that are coming up with allthese things, and they're not even some weren't
out of junior high yet.
They were still, you know, seventh grade,eighth grade, and and others were getting ready
to get out of high school.
But to be able to have that and to continue, itwas just so marvelous to see.
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So there's a lot that are out there using theirminds.
There's some amazing kids being born, you know,especially music industry, and I find that so
heartwarming and so inspiring and so hopeful.
Yes.
All that all that kind of stuff just reallylights me up because I just I I look at kids,
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you know, who are their kids to me.
They're teenagers and middle schoolers, andthey're talking with their heads down, typing
with their thumbs.
And I'm like, oh my god.
You know, I I do text and probably on my cellphone sometimes too much, but I don't live with
it.
You know?
And I don't usually have it dinging to let meknow every time someone's posted something
because it would drive me crazy.
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So I I really some way that we can sort ofbreak that free and and find a different way
for young people.
I I agree.
I was listening to the radio yesterday becausewe were in town, and they were talking about
how there's this concert venue that will notlet you bring your cell phone.
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Woo hoo.
Oh, you are going to go and pay attention tothe artists that are there.
And and you absolutely cannot go in if you haveyour cell phone.
It's it's not allowed.
And so that was really great.
So as people start to do this, the other thingyesterday is, I forgot my cell phone at home.
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So I missed all these calls.
I text message.
I didn't have my Google Maps to go find thisplace I needed to go to.
I looked on my husband's phone real quick tosee where it was, but it's an unfamiliar part
of town that I've only been to once.
And it's like, okay.
So how do I get there?
So I knew about where it was.
It was pretty easy, and I missed a turn.
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I wasn't sure where to go.
And then I happened to see a sign, and it'slike, for some reason, that sign's familiar.
I'm gonna turn that way.
And that was the right right street sign toturn, and there it was.
But but it was kinda like, wow.
This is really weird because I usually hadstreet maps in my car.
I don't even know if anybody sells street mapsanymore, and towns are changing so fast.
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I don't know if the maps can keep up with themto be printing them all the time.
Well, I have to say that I'm my mother wasdirectionally impaired.
She's passed on
to my son.
I am so incredibly grateful for Google Mapsbecause
Oh, yeah. You
You know, east west north south, don't don'ttalk to me like that.
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It's not my strength.
And I guess I could learn how to read it, butit's just never really at the top of my entry.
So, I am really grateful for Google Maps justto be able to get wherever I need to go.
I just keep myself that.
Well, I figured if nothing else, I could pullover to a store and talk to somebody there.
And I know someone's gonna pull out their phoneand look for me, so so it would be easy to
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find.
But Good
for you.
Well, even though you didn't write this book,I'm really glad you brought it to our
attention.
It sounds really fabulous.
It's a new new author again.
So tell us the name of the book and who theauthor is again.
Oh, it's it's illusions whoops.
I'm trying to I'll turn it in front of my face.
Illusions by Bach.
Any book by Richard Bach, I think, is awesome,and you can get them on Amazon.
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They're not expensive.
They're in paperback.
And I would just probably even
look at thrift books and places like that forit too.
It's so inspiring, and you don't you don't haveto spend a lot time.
It's just like, you know, you you read forfifteen minutes before you go to bed, and you
have a busy day.
He's like, oh, this is really this is somethinginspirational to take into the sleep state.
That's right.
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And so if that inspires you, that's great.
He's written quite a few books, and I didn'trealize books.
I'm like, this is okay.
The difference That's
alright.
It was fun.
I enjoyed it.
But we also learned about you, which I reallylove.
So tell us how we can get ahold of you forthose who want to get in contact with you.
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Well, thank you.
So, my business is Jewel Consultancy, like thediamond, j e w e l.
Jewel Consultancy dot com.
You can find that any on, what, your Internet.
And my full name is Arlene.
The middle name is Cohen, c o h e n, Miller.
If you Google that, you'll find all the socialmedia sites that I'm on.
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And I always get people on my cell phone.
I'm not afraid of that.
It's 729362634.
And if you refer to this podcast, I'll be happyto text with you and answer any questions that
you have about coaching or mentoring or RichardBach.
And, there you go.
Alright.
That's wonderful.
Thank you, Arlene, for being here and forintroducing us to a new author and to yourself.
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And we'll see you, our audience, next time onreading between the words.
Great.
Thank you.
Thank you for joining us.
We'll see you next time on reading between thewords.
So welcome to another episode of readingbetween the words.
And today, we have Arlene with us.
Arlene, how are you doing?
I am great.
Lovely to be here.
Awesome.
Awesome.
So tell us just a little bit about yourself.
Well, I am a work life harmony and leadershipcoach.
I'm also, an attorney still an attorney inColorado.
(00:36):
I've had, a solo practice in a suburb ofCleveland, Ohio and a partnership in Longmont,
Colorado that was sold several years ago.
And now I am a leadership, harmony, coach forwomen and also a transformational mentor for
men and women.
(00:57):
And, I'm working on getting out there and doingspeaking and, workshops.
That's sort of my next step in life, and, sothat's what I do.
That's awesome.
That's really great.
So tell us about your book.
What we wanna know, first, just show us thebook, tell us the title, and maybe just a
little bit about what it is.
(01:17):
It's called illusions.
It's called illusions, and it's by it's theit's the adventures of a reluctant messiah by
Richard Bach.
And Okay.
It's we're having a hard time, so you all cansee it.
So hopefully, can have a look at it.
But it is illusions.
It's by Richard Bach.
You can find it on Amazon.
He is an amazing author.
(01:39):
He's written so many really great books.
They're they're, like, really easy reads, butthey go really, really deep.
And Illusions, the adventures of a a reluctantmessiah, it's about, it's, like, happens, like,
in the fifties or the sixties.
And, basically, this guy has this little hopperplane, and he can land it anywhere.
(02:00):
And, you know, he doesn't really wanna be tooconnected with people, and he'll he'll take
people on, like, you know, a three minute planeride, and they'll pay him $10.
And, you know, that's how he makes his money,and he doesn't have to have a home.
He just camps out wherever he goes.
And, by chance, he finds, like, a really,enlightened person who can guide him and to
(02:23):
sort of take him to the next step in his life.
And, it's just a really cool book because, it'snot the way, you know, someone would think that
a messiah would be, and, you know, he was justan ordinary guy who had sort of extraordinary
skills and abilities to sort of help him to, towake up to more of his best self.
(02:44):
And I don't know.
I just find it I find Richard Bach really funand inspiring because there's not a lot of big
words.
It doesn't go on and on.
It's not a thick book at all.
It's a pretty thin book.
And you just you just it's you go on a journeywith him no matter where you go.
That's awesome.
So for our listeners, normally, it's a bookthat you have written yourself, but this is
(03:08):
okay.
This is okay because we like books.
That's why we're here.
But really like to hear why you like this bookand why you like this author.
And and you've kind of alluded to that, buttell us some more about why you particularly
like this this author and this book.
Well, I've been on, like, a really bigspiritual journey myself since my son was about
(03:33):
three.
I got divorced, and he developed pretty severeADHD.
And I'm like, I gotta find something to helphim because I just don't wanna stick him on
drugs.
And I went on this big spiritual healingjourney, learned all these different kinds of
healing modalities in an effort to help him,you know, not be you know, if he if he just
lived in the outdoors and he got school outsideand could run around more and not be stuck in
(03:56):
school the way maybe it's more adapted to girlsand boys, he would have probably fine.
So it says a little bit about our world, butthat's when I really started on my spiritual
journey.
And I've, been in all kinds of, mentoring andcoaching programs, and it just sort of really
floats my boat to to be more heart based inwhat I do because that's what spirituality
(04:19):
really means to me.
And so Richard Bach is like that too.
He's like he's not an out there kind of woo wookind of spiritual journey kind of guy.
He's he just sort of tells spiritual stories topeople light up people's hearts and maybe light
the way to a new way of being that's not so inyour mind Mhmm.
Or in your heart with all of his books.
(04:42):
And that's why I've always really gravitatedtowards him.
And the stories are kind of unique andinteresting.
This feels like he's discussed sort of somedownpouring channeling to to send a message to
the world, and I just find his books fun andinspiring without being, you know, too heavy.
I don't know.
(05:02):
There's a really cool comedian out there.
His name is Nate Garbacci, and he does thisfunny kind of bit with books.
And he goes, I have all these books, but theyhave all these words in here, and I don't know
what to do with them.
It's like these big huge books, and he's one ofthese people that gets really overwhelmed with
words.
And I can be that way too.
I have a little bit of that ADD stuff too.
So something that I can really feel and, like,go along with the story and be inspired by,
(05:28):
those are the kind of books that I love toread.
Oh, that sounds really great.
That I like those books too.
It's nice to do it.
So as as you're reading this book, what are thesome of the highlights in it that that really,
I guess, that you connected with?
And and it made you go,
(05:48):
Yeah.
Well, there is this, so, anyway, they wouldthey ended up, like, flying from place to place
together, and they'd land their planes.
And then they a few people would find them, andthen the whole town would find them, and
everyone would be coming out for these littlethree minute flights on their little hopper
planes, with propellers and everything.
And there was this one time that this,grandfather came with his granddaughter.
(06:10):
Maybe his granddaughter was eight, and she wasterrified of heights.
And so he brought it so that she would go onthe little hopper plane, but she she's like,
no.
I'm not going.
And so Richard Baugh, the guy who who who wasplaying in the book, he took the the
grandfather on this flight, and they flew overto where the guy's farm was, and they waved at
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his wife.
But, meantime, the guy that was the messiah,unquote, unquote, was back there sitting and
just having this conversation with this younggirl.
And somehow, you know, with how he shared withher and how he listened to her, he got her so
he was like she was, like, really excited aboutgoing up in the plane.
And and she was a second flight for this otherguy who was, like, learning from the messiah,
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and he took her up there, and she loved it.
And she got off the plane, and she was jumpingup and down with her grandfather, and she's
going, I know what I'm gonna do when I grow up.
I'm gonna be a pilot.
And so it was, it was, like, a really heartfeltmoment.
And, basically, all he did this, you know,messiah was hold this big, huge, open, judgment
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free, loving space so that she could sort oftalk about her fears.
And he helped her just to let them go.
And then he talked about his love of flying andand all the amazing things he got to do as a
pilot.
And her light the light bulb of her life wentoff, and she sort of found her purpose.
You know?
It was just like it wasn't nearly as many wordsas I talk about here, but you could just feel
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the experience.
You know?
And the other guy who was the learning from themessiah was up in the plane with the
grandfather going, what the heck is going on?
And who is this girl now that, you know, shewas totally different when they landed the
plane?
And so it kinda made the grandfather's day toobecause he had always wanted her his
granddaughter to overcome her fear of heights.
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And in magical moment, she did, and so herwhole life was changed by just being in the
loving loving listening presence of this man.
That is awesome.
I like that.
You know, it just reminds me of of my dad whowas afraid of heights.
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And a close friend who flew thought you know,he was a young man.
He thought, well, I'll just show him.
And so he asked him if he wanted to go up inthe plane, and and dad said yes, which kinda
surprised us, but he went up there.
But instead of caring about how dad isperceiving the world, this guy thought he would
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be funny and do some loops and some spirals andup and down.
I mean, the worst thing you could have possiblydone for someone who's afraid of heights.
And my dad was so scared when he got out of theplane.
He didn't really talk to anybody, but you couldjust see this look on his face.
I'd never seen anything like that before, andit was just it was horrible.
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What could have been a beautiful experience,like, for this young girl, You know, just go
up, take it easy, show him a few things, andand talk about flying, talk about the
experience of being up there and and whateverit is, you know, that that you talk about
people with.
And then come down, and he would have been morewilling to do something again.
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But that was the one and only time he everflew.
Now my dad's brother was a pilot, and he wasjust a gung ho pilot.
You talk about someone with ADHD.
He was just, you know, the textbook example ofsomeone like that.
And my dad never flew with him.
But it was you know, it's interesting.
I love that that this person found a way totalk to this young girl and that she was able
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to see the beauty up there.
I love to fly.
You know?
I've jumped out of airplanes.
I, you know, done that a few times, but Ireally love to fly.
I love being up there.
I love seeing the world.
I love seeing how the whole earth comestogether.
You fly over Grand Canyon.
You look like it 10,000 feet or however high itis, and you see the earth from a very different
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perspective than you would if you were just ina small plane like but he would be fine.
So so the book brings a lot of good things.
One, it's like, yes, you can get over yourfears if they're presented in a way that you
can understand, one, why you're afraid, andtwo, the benefits you get when you're no longer
afraid.
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But but here, this pilot was gentle, took himto some places that were familiar.
Hi, grandma.
How are you down there?
You know?
That's kind of cool.
Yeah.
Or
Go ahead.
Sorry.
I was just gonna say what I really like abouthow they handle that whole situation is that
that's what I learned to do as a coach.
Because one of the because it's the presence wehold so that people can feel heard and
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understood, and and that's what we're taught todo, hold this big judgment free,
unconditionally loving space because mostpeople don't ever get that in their lives.
And then you you feel, heard and seen and ableto talk about whatever's on your mind so that
you can move through to your goals or let go ofwhatever's not working for you.
And so it was like it was a different venue ofthese little propeller planes, but just really
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lovely, heart based enlightened men that wereit wasn't just about the planes.
It was about the experience that they wereproviding, you know, to other people.
And the the young master was learning from theolder master, how he could be better at it and
to really just love and accept himself as hewas with the skills that he had and not, you
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know, sort of view himself as some kind ofweirdo oddball that just really didn't like to
hang out with, quote, normal people that much.
So Yeah.
I just really found it a really cool journey.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
I like that.
It it's I also like that there's a grown up manwilling to learn to to better himself.
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And as entrepreneurs, you know, and authors, wehave to do that.
We keep learning.
We keep learning so that we can get our craftbetter.
We keep learning so we know how to share ourideas and and our books with other people.
And you never stop learning.
When I was young, I was told by someone who wasmy age now, but I was pretty young then, and
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they told me to never stop learning becausethey said, when you stop learning, that's when
you start dying.
And I thought, wow.
That's that just really affected me.
I didn't wanna do that.
I always wanted to learn.
So and I was always curious about everything.
You know?
We've got these great minds that are creative,that are imaginative, that are curious, and we
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need to feed that and nourish it so that itkeeps growing, and we can pass that on as our
legacy.
Yeah.
And I I've I've lived that, you know, because Igot a while while I still had my second law
firm and I was a partner in it in Colorado, Igot a diploma in coaching and mentoring.
I got a diploma in transformational holisticcounseling.
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I became a certified meditation facilitator.
And people always ask me, you know, how doesthat go with being an attorney?
And I'm like, I never say this.
It's like, why not?
You know, I was really interested.
I had some really amazing women friends who hadgotten certified as a coach and as a as a
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counselor.
And I knew that their their their schools thatthey were starting were gonna be heart based,
which is really important to me and not justmental blah blah blah thing.
And the same with the meditation.
I had a friend who, you know, was had beenmeditating and going to school for it for
years, and I knew that that was her area ofexpertise.
And so people always ask me, you know, how doesthat possibly go with being an attorney?
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And I'm like, wow.
Don't put me I've never said this.
Don't put me in a box.
I mean, Yes.
So but that's it.
Yeah.
I had to go back to school and to do that kindof stuff because I was like, oh my gosh.
I don't know if I can do this again.
But it's to have had the courage to do that orjust to say, oh, it's gonna happen.
I'm gonna do it anyway has been, like, the bestthing I ever did.
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And I'm so grateful that I didn't listen topeople that said, well, you're an attorney.
What the heck are you doing?
Yeah.
It's like, but I'm not just an attorney.
Right.
It's like like, I'm not just a mom.
I'm a woman.
I'm a wife.
I'm you know, now I'm a grandmother.
I'm a friend.
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You know?
And and how many had other careers too?
And it's like and I still like to do otherstuff.
You know?
It's it's that's funny you talk about beingscared about going back to college.
I went back and and got my degree, because Ijust didn't finish it when I first got out of
high school.
I just went, you know, did some college thenwent straight into a career.
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And when I went back to school, it's like, I'mgoing to school with kids that are my kids'
age.
You know?
And it's like, that's okay.
But the once they started started asking meabout things that I like to do and what I do,
and I go, well, you know, I've gone skydiving.
I drive a motorcycle.
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I go scuba diving and, you know, mention allthese things.
And they go, oh, you're like that grandma onthat cartoon that looks sweet and innocent.
And then in the background, she's out skydivingand all of this.
And it's like, yeah.
I mean, you know, there's there's more to lifethan than sitting home and knitting at night.
I don't knit, but I've crocheted.
I sold it.
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Yeah.
We like to keep busy.
We've gotta keep our minds active.
No matter what age we are, it's it's it'sreally tough to see a lot of kids that just sit
and play video games when they could be outsideexploring, you know, creating things on their
own.
I just saw in fact, I had a post on on myLinkedIn page that talks oh, it's on my
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Facebook page that talks about this young youngboy who came up with a new way of making solar
work for it looks like a tree.
And so it's not these big, huge panels andstuff that are out there, and it's like, how
creative and ingenious is that?
And it looks attractive.
You know?
So, yeah, I I judged the science competitionthis year locally here in Austin.
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It was a regional event.
It's so amazing.
These great minds that are coming up with allthese things, and they're not even some weren't
out of junior high yet.
They were still, you know, seventh grade,eighth grade, and and others were getting ready
to get out of high school.
But to be able to have that and to continue, itwas just so marvelous to see.
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So there's a lot that are out there using theirminds.
There's some amazing kids being born, you know,especially music industry, and I find that so
heartwarming and so inspiring and so hopeful.
Yes.
All that all that kind of stuff just reallylights me up because I just I I look at kids,
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you know, who are their kids to me.
They're teenagers and middle schoolers, andthey're talking with their heads down, typing
with their thumbs.
And I'm like, oh my god.
You know, I I do text and probably on my cellphone sometimes too much, but I don't live with
it.
You know?
And I don't usually have it dinging to let meknow every time someone's posted something
because it would drive me crazy.
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So I I really some way that we can sort ofbreak that free and and find a different way
for young people.
I I agree.
I was listening to the radio yesterday becausewe were in town, and they were talking about
how there's this concert venue that will notlet you bring your cell phone.
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Woo hoo.
Oh, you are going to go and pay attention tothe artists that are there.
And and you absolutely cannot go in if you haveyour cell phone.
It's it's not allowed.
And so that was really great.
So as people start to do this, the other thingyesterday is, I forgot my cell phone at home.
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So I missed all these calls.
I text message.
I didn't have my Google Maps to go find thisplace I needed to go to.
I looked on my husband's phone real quick tosee where it was, but it's an unfamiliar part
of town that I've only been to once.
And it's like, okay.
So how do I get there?
So I knew about where it was.
It was pretty easy, and I missed a turn.
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I wasn't sure where to go.
And then I happened to see a sign, and it'slike, for some reason, that sign's familiar.
I'm gonna turn that way.
And that was the right right street sign toturn, and there it was.
But but it was kinda like, wow.
This is really weird because I usually hadstreet maps in my car.
I don't even know if anybody sells street mapsanymore, and towns are changing so fast.
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I don't know if the maps can keep up with themto be printing them all the time.
Well, I have to say that I'm my mother wasdirectionally impaired.
She's passed on
to my son.
I am so incredibly grateful for Google Mapsbecause
Oh, yeah. You
You know, east west north south, don't don'ttalk to me like that.
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It's not my strength.
And I guess I could learn how to read it, butit's just never really at the top of my entry.
So, I am really grateful for Google Maps justto be able to get wherever I need to go.
I just keep myself that.
Well, I figured if nothing else, I could pullover to a store and talk to somebody there.
And I know someone's gonna pull out their phoneand look for me, so so it would be easy to
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find.
But Good
for you.
Well, even though you didn't write this book,I'm really glad you brought it to our
attention.
It sounds really fabulous.
It's a new new author again.
So tell us the name of the book and who theauthor is again.
Oh, it's it's illusions whoops.
I'm trying to I'll turn it in front of my face.
Illusions by Bach.
Any book by Richard Bach, I think, is awesome,and you can get them on Amazon.
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They're not expensive.
They're in paperback.
And I would just probably even
look at thrift books and places like that forit too.
It's so inspiring, and you don't you don't haveto spend a lot time.
It's just like, you know, you you read forfifteen minutes before you go to bed, and you
have a busy day.
He's like, oh, this is really this is somethinginspirational to take into the sleep state.
That's right.
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And so if that inspires you, that's great.
He's written quite a few books, and I didn'trealize books.
I'm like, this is okay.
The difference That's
alright.
It was fun.
I enjoyed it.
But we also learned about you, which I reallylove.
So tell us how we can get ahold of you forthose who want to get in contact with you.
(21:16):
Well, thank you.
So, my business is Jewel Consultancy, like thediamond, j e w e l.
Jewel Consultancy dot com.
You can find that any on, what, your Internet.
And my full name is Arlene.
The middle name is Cohen, c o h e n, Miller.
If you Google that, you'll find all the socialmedia sites that I'm on.
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And I always get people on my cell phone.
I'm not afraid of that.
It's 729362634.
And if you refer to this podcast, I'll be happyto text with you and answer any questions that
you have about coaching or mentoring or RichardBach.
And, there you go.
Alright.
That's wonderful.
Thank you, Arlene, for being here and forintroducing us to a new author and to yourself.
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And we'll see you, our audience, next time onreading between the words.
Great.
Thank you.
Thank you for joining us.
We'll see you next time on reading between thewords.
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