March 21, 2025 • 52 mins
Danielle Lawrence delves into personal strengths and biblical reflections, introducing her book "Finding Emotional Maturity" and exploring diverse perspectives. The episode highlights wisdom from grandparents, leadership, and relationship growth, emphasizing personal growth through jealousy and the necessity of sacrifice. Danielle discusses the role of strengths, rest, and gratitude in relationships, and the importance of embracing divine timing while anticipating future blessings. She shares experiences of supernatural encounters and real-life divine interventions. The conversation promotes Danielle's book, concluding with expressions of gratitude and closing remarks.
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Because there's so many people I speak to.
I just spoke to a young lady the other day, andshe told me, like, she really didn't know what
she wanted to do.
And I was like, well, what did so I asked herwhat she was good at.
And then she was like, well, you know, I'm goodat talking.
I said, well, there you have it.
I said, now you just have to find what youwanna talk about that's gonna be good for the
people to hear.
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Because that's that's how I I'm a talker.
I like to talk.
Now, LS, is that the name is that the name thatwe I'm calling?
Is that the name you Yep.
I love it.
The LS Patrick show?
I like that.
I love the l oh, I love LS.
I love I love a good initial.
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Reminds me of a LS Lexus.
There you go.
I don't even know if it's a LS Lexus, but itsound like it should go it should go with the
name.
Alright.
I know where my next picture's gonna be takenat.
Life's so fun.
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It is so fun.
Yeah.
Gotta be joyful.
You gotta be upbeat.
You gotta do what you gotta do.
So, yeah, so I'm so happy about that with thebook.
I've never knew that, like, with the theanthology.
I even thought about anthology one time.
Yeah.
It was recently.
Now I didn't think about it in the way that youmay think I was thinking about it.
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Now I was actually thinking about the anthologyin the way of the bible.
Okay.
Explain to me.
So I said to myself, I said, the firstanthology was actually the bible because you
have 66 books and 40 authors.
Yeah.
Ain't that and over so many years, and it allmakes sense.
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It all makes sense.
And the way I came up with this is one day Iwas having a conversation with someone, and
they were saying how the bible's, you know, acontradiction.
You know, people have their, you know,conversations.
Yeah.
I said, no.
No.
No.
No.
No.
It does not.
I said, it's it's really not.
I said, what god really did if you really sitand really think about the bible and take it
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all in, I said he just used the psychologicalpart of an individual to interpret his
spiritual aspect of what they were going
through.
Yeah.
So what you may get from one in one chapter orin one book, the other person may come with
something totally different according to whatthey're going through.
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So if you and I are going through something, hehas to speak to us where we are.
Oh, yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
He's not gonna speak to LS like he's gonnaspeak to I'm a use my initials.
I just feel like I just wanna be on initials.
Alrighty.
He's not gonna speak to LS the way he speaks toDL.
He's just not.
Right.
So even if we're going through the same thing,there are going to be psychological differences
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in the way our minds and our hearts are set forhim to do his work.
You know what that reminds me of is the examplethat people will use for whatever it is,
whether it's psychology, police work,ambulance, whatever.
You've got 10 people that witnessed this, let'ssay, a car accident.
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Mhmm.
You are gonna have 10 people who see it throughtheir own eyes.
They're gonna give you 10 different stories ofwhat happened.
So when you hear all 10 of them, you get apretty good idea of what really happened.
But each one that was there is going to bedifferent.
I was just listening to Jim Rohn, and he saysat at one of the talks he had, he had one
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person come up to him and and say, wow.
That was so powerful.
I love the way you explained that.
I totally understand it now, and I know I canachieve something.
Then he had another person come up to him, tellhim about the same thing he talked about.
And he said, it's about time somebody came upand told what a bunch of crap this is and how
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everything is awful.
I am so glad you did that.
Mhmm.
It's kinda like it was the same exact talk, buttwo different thoughts came out of it.
So, yeah, there might be something in the biblethat you say, oh, it contradicts itself, but it
really doesn't.
You have a different way of saying it becausewe as people sometimes need to hear something a
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different way to understand it.
I always say that.
Some people, it's it's like the gospel,Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
They all visit Jesus Jesus visit all of them.
It's just that the story is going to have alittle bit of difference because we have it
from four different individuals.
But, I was talking to someone the other day,and I was he was talking about, the way, like,
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we, perceive how certain people talk.
I said, I'm really better with people who aremore logical.
I know when I'm speaking to someone morelogical.
Right.
Because even when, like like, certain preachersnow a a person who has more passion and more
emotion may be saying the same thing as them,but my mind is going is not going to comprehend
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it or, I will say, kinda digest it is the wordbetter word.
Digest it as if someone that was saying whereit was mentally being broken down, like, oh, it
hit me different.
Yes.
Yes.
Because I think I think some people speak withtheir emotions, and I think some people speak
with their, minds.
I think they intertwine, of course, hence why,LS, I wrote a book about emotions because I was
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one of those people who did not know how todeal with my emotions.
Right.
So I had to figure out how to get this alltogether.
Yeah.
So What's the name of your book?
It's called finding listen.
I thought she never asked.
Always keep it next to me.
Always keep it next to me.
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Go get it.
Finding emotional maturity.
This is actually when it the first copy theactual first copy is not for resale.
Finding emotional maturity through emotionalawareness.
It it talks about how we unlearn the emotionsof our past because we all pick up something.
Yes.
And, the thing about it is is that everyonetalks about mindset, but no one talks about a
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heartset.
Yeah.
We
have to set the heart.
So true.
Yeah.
We always talk about the mindset, but wherewhere does the emotions lie with this?
Because as much and I think what happens iswhen we get into the emotional part of, or the
the emotional part, we find more depth.
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I do feel like the mind is very powerful.
Yeah.
But I feel like the emotions hold more depth,if I could kinda define it that way.
So the heart is where we have to.
So people always say, you know, I gotta cutpeople off.
I gotta do this.
I gotta do all that.
But when we really figure out and find out thedepth of love, Love is patient.
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Love is kind.
Love is long suffering.
Then we get to those places in the emotion thatwe are supposed to be cleansing, that the mind
cannot fathom in certain areas or certain partsbecause it's too busy rustling against its own
self.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I was, doing a study right now about mindset,really delving into it because I realized I've
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got a lot of garbage in there from, you know,whatever.
And and it's Yeah.
And it needs to be changed.
Right.
So I'm listening to Jim Rohn, listening to BobProctor.
And Bob Proctor, I went and got my notebook,and he talks about how attitude is the
composite of our thoughts, our feelings, andour actions.
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So you think of it like a cake.
Someone brings you a cake.
You don't go, oh, what yummy flour or whatyummy cinnamon or what yummy milk.
You know?
You go, oh, what a yummy cake.
So your feelings Yes.
Thoughts, your heart, your mind, and then theaction you take on that goes with that.
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So that worked out really well with what you'resaying, and it's like you do.
You have to deal with all of it.
And Yes.
And some may have more feelings like you weresaying.
Some may have more thoughts like you weresaying.
And but it's all good because there are almost9,000,000,000 people in the world and not
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everybody is going to be exactly the same.
So we need them.
Yeah.
The world would be boring if everybody was thesame.
Oh, man.
Wouldn't it?
I mean, I'm just being honest.
I think the world would be so boring if theworld was the same.
I think that when it comes down to, life initself, it has to give us the the bad and the
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good.
Because to be
this up here.
If everybody was the same, there wouldn't bethis Oh
my god.
There wouldn't be that colorful.
Yeah.
It wouldn't be that colorful.
It wouldn't be that colorful.
And that's what again, it's, like, so sometimespeople like, I would get in certain
conversations and people would be like, well,you do it this way.
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I'd be like, and that's what makes the world goaround because I'm doing it the way that I feel
that it's conducive for me.
That's right.
And that's what we have to do.
You know?
In a in a group, and I'm listening to thedifferent voices.
You have someone from South Africa.
You have someone from England.
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You have someone from Australia, and I'mlistening to all of these different voices.
There was somebody from oh, I think it was itwas two different parts of of The UK, and you
could tell.
I mean, soon as they start talking, oh, it'slike, oh, I think you're from around London or
this, but I'm listening to these voices.
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Right.
And they're beautiful, beautiful voices.
And I'm thinking how amazing.
Just absolutely amazing.
It's gotta be in heaven, especially wheneverybody starts singing together.
Just gonna be phenomenal.
And it's like, I just can hardly wait.
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You know?
I love it.
I know that's I know that's right.
I love it.
But but No.
But I understand the excitement of of seeingthat and fill and feeling that.
They're Yeah.
Listen.
I understand.
We because sometimes when people sing, theybring such a voice that is like, wow.
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If you sing like that, how does it sound inheaven?
And and I'm ready to go to heaven, so I can'tsing so people like to hear it.
Because right right now, my my baby grandkids,when I would first singing, they were like, do
they cry?
And it's like, no.
So I quit.
So I'd and then there would be smiles.
So I was
like, okay.
I can't sing to my grandkids till they're alittle older, and then we'll sing fun songs.
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But Together.
Yes.
That's right.
Chorus.
Yes.
But it's like yeah.
And and even at that, you know, somebody'sgotta be the cheerleader.
Somebody has to be the audience to hear thesingers.
Yeah.
You know, I'm giving a talk next weekend onleadership.
And there are so many so many different ways tobe a leader.
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And but what kind of a leader?
You know?
Why do you wanna be a leader?
What what kind of leader do you wanna be?
And It comes with one that
much.
No.
I was just just saying too what you weresaying.
It comes with so much.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
And you have such a great responsibility.
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You really do.
I mean, our our history shows leaders that thatcould lead, but but they led into tyranny and
oppression and such devastating things.
And then you have other leaders that that don'treally claim to be a leader, but people will
follow them to the ends of the earth, so tospeak.
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And and they lead with love and compassion.
And and it's interesting because if you look atat some, I'll just say, some marriages, You
have husbands who are stern and strict and dowhat I say, and then you have the other
husbands who give leeway to their family, totheir wife, and and let them make the mistakes.
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Let them do the things they do, and then theylearn and they grow together and they get
stronger.
So it's it's, yeah, it's just amazing.
Yeah.
Well and, you know, it definitely is.
And I was able to see my grandfather like that.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
I never heard him yell, LS.
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No.
Mine mine either.
My grandpa never
Never heard my grandfather yell, and he alwaysparted us with wisdom.
That was it.
He said what he said, and it had and it made,like, a proverb verb like, proverb sense.
Like, where did you get it?
It was
so deep.
Grab a proverb.
Yeah.
Like, he was just very wise.
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I never heard him yell at my grandmother.
My grandma neither.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just never, he was very he worked hard forhis family, and he just I just never heard him
yell.
He was just a man of much wisdom and greatpatience.
Wow.
He had a a he had a voice deep like Earl, EarlJones.
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Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
He had one of them baritones.
Now on the flip side, I also seen where like,my mother and my father.
My father was more demanding.
Love him, but he was very much more demandingon the flip side.
So I had the opportunity to see how becausewhen I feel like even as a parent or in a
marriage, you have to be available.
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One thing I said, even when I was young, I feltlike this, LS.
There are certain things that come withindividual lessons and processes, whether you
are married or whether you are single.
And whether you are married or not does notstop the process from happening.
You still have to grow.
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Right.
And it's how you grow.
That's why some people grow apart, and somepeople continue to grow together.
And that's where we get with the equally yokedfrom.
It's how are you going with that individual?
Because the problem is is that when you grow,there's going to be challenges that then hit
the relationship because the one is notfamiliar to this new growth.
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And that was up to that other individual to nowtry to say, yeah.
It's not and and and the crazy thing is it isthat they're changing, but they're evolving.
We can't always see it.
Sometimes we use change and, oh, you're you'reacting different.
No.
They're evolving into someone where god wantsto meet them.
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And if you're not in that place to hear thevoice of god, you will feel kinda intimidated.
You'll get intimidated by the growth that theperson that you're married to or the person
that you're with is starting to become.
So this is why marriages become a challenge orrelationships become a challenge because we
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have growth spurts.
And it and the crazy thing is each individualhas a growth spurt, so you have to be wise.
I remember one day, I was praying.
And I said, you know what, God?
Don't ever allow me to have the spirit ofjealousy come into my heart.
Yeah.
And the reason why is because a lot of times,you'll see someone else, and the first thing
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you do is you start comparing.
Because I truly believe jealousy starts comingin when you start comparing, and you cannot do
that.
So I said that
for you.
No.
I feel like you're your biggest competition.
Yep.
LS is her biggest competition.
D DL is her biggest competition.
We are our biggest competitions.
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And we cannot go by and this is what God hadbrought to me when I was in the midst of
praying about it.
He said, Danielle, the problem is is that wesee people where they are, where they at, but
we never saw what they were going throughbehind the scenes.
Oh, yes.
So the blessings that come in the front arealready some of the some of the things that
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have already been sown in private.
So if you don't wanna go through what they wentthrough, take your story as the story.
Because your story has its own you know what Imean?
Take your own story as the story.
And so that's what actually happened becauseit's a terrible feeling, to be honest with you.
I don't even know how people stay there,seriously.
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I don't even know how I don't even know howpeople stay there.
But I said that ain't a heart that I want.
I like want my heart pure, and I want it just.
Yep.
So
a lot of people won't talk about it because itsounds so, oh my god.
No.
I would never no.
Listen.
We are all human.
It's in the bible.
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Listen.
You have to admit your negatives as well asyour positives.
Oh, yes. Oh,
yes. Oh, yes.
Can't eliminate your negatives withoutacknowledging them.
Yeah.
So I never forget saying that to myself.
One day, I felt it kinda creep up, and I said,mm-mm.
I said, no.
No.
No.
I said, don't do that.
I said, you can't do that.
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So one thing I've learned about the work when Istarted going through my emotional journey is
that I had to connect with a lot of things thatI didn't like about myself.
Yeah.
I had to sit in them, LS.
I had to sit in them.
And I think that's what happens when it comesdown to a hard set.
We don't like to sit in the heart of it.
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We wanna move because we really don't wannafeel.
And the crazy thing is sometimes is we don'twanna admit that we're even feeling the
destructive way that our heart is feeling.
Yeah.
Because, one, we never even thought we would bethere.
Or two, it's like, this just ain't right, andthis is not where I want to be.
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But like you said, if you're not sitting in it,figuring it out, acknowledge it so you can can
eliminate it, I guess, is the way to put it.
Yes.
You have to remove it.
And I think that is the difference between amindset and a heart set.
Yes.
A mindset is I I believe, in my own opinion, isthat it's helping you grow in ways where you're
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being challenged with certain things.
You're you're being challenged.
Right.
But the heart, you have to sit.
The mind, you're like, growing.
You're you're you're you're like that's whythere are people that are in their careers, and
they're good at the career and the role thatthey're in, but they suck at their identity.
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Yeah.
I know that sounds strange, but that's true.
They're good.
They they they are overachievers when it comesdown to their career, when it comes down to the
role of life.
But when it comes down to them achieving theemotional side, it's like they're garbage.
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It's like they don't and when I say they'regarbage, it's like not literally Jesus.
It's just that they are to a point wherethey're a mess inside and don't even know that
money would never buy.
This is why a lot of people who gain a lot ofmoney are still not fulfilled.
Fulfillment really comes when you startcleansing your inside.
I truly believe that's why God said he cleansesus from the inside to the out.
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Oh, yeah.
We externally look at a lot of things.
We externally wanna see what people have to,give us, whatever the motive is, and we
externally want to judge how people are aswell.
I was gonna put this on, Facebook one day.
I'll probably put it somewhere down the line.
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I don't know.
But I said, judgment is overrated when theheart is tainted.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know
what I mean?
Like, it's o like, it's clear you can see theissue of an individual.
But what about do you see the heart of theindividual?
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This is why it's about a heart set because thisis what is being really judged with god.
It's the heart.
It ain't what you're really doing on theexternal.
You go to church every Sunday, Monday, Tuesday,Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
But where is the heart of the human?
Where's the compassion?
One of the things that god has showed me duringmy journey is grace.
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Oh, I love grace.
I love grace so much.
We all do.
Well, some of it.
I don't know.
You and I both do.
I'm a just keep us in the box right with us.
You know mean?
Seriously, it's the grace.
Like
Yeah.
How do I even like, grace, it allows me to seethings different.
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It allows my eye the lens of my eyes to changebecause I'm looking at it more from a
compassionate standpoint than, an arrogant one.
Right.
Right.
You know, that reminds me of the bible versewhere God says and I love the words he uses.
He says, take the log out of your when I beforeyou take the speck out of somebody else's eye.
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And and that never really hit me.
I always heard that, but it never hit me tillthis week.
It's like, woah.
He's talking about that log in there.
And and a lot of people can use that verse fora lot of ways, but I think it's it's so true.
And God gives us the grace to see that inourselves so we can remove it.
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Yes.
So we don't have to try to take the speck outof somebody else's eye.
So we can be there to to lovingly say, look.
I had a huge log in my eye.
You just got a little tiny speck.
But If you want, I'm here for you instead ofinstead of what's the word they're using?
Being catty and and all of
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that.
Yeah.
There's no need for that.
Mhmm.
Mhmm.
Yeah.
It's really a, it's really different when youhave to the thing about it is I found with
grace, it becomes more effective when you gothrough something, you come out of it.
Yes.
Because then you gain compassion.
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Like, it might not be the same thing thatsomebody else went through.
Right.
But it gives you an understanding too, doesn'tit?
Mhmm.
Yeah.
It's like, oh, I get it now.
Yes.
This is why.
Yes.
Like,
crap.
I had to go through it to understand it.
It's like Yeah.
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Help me to understand without having to gothrough things.
Yeah.
That's what that's what makes life
a lot.
Grace.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I like that.
You're giving somebody grace if you don'tunderstand what you're going through, but
you're still gonna be there for them for whatthey need.
That's giving them grace.
Yes.
And You can It's it's just what it is.
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And I learned that, like, you don't you don'talways understand what people are going
through, and I don't try.
Let me just be clear about that.
But I do understand that there's certain thingsthat my lips do not need to speak, but my
prayers need to go up for.
Oh, yes.
Oh, yes.
Yeah.
Yes.
So with that, I've learned how to be morehumble with error.
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Oh, good.
Oh, I like the way you say that.
Yeah.
I'm not yes.
I have to because you have to.
And to be honest, I always say I'll be like,god is so funny.
He is one of the greatest and most wonderful,funniest, gentleman's fathers I've ever known.
Because I look at it how god orchestrated life.
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Oh, man.
That's the thing when I look at, you know,marriage and I look at, you know, people that
are in relationships, I said that's, like, thefirst thing of sacrifice.
That's That was the first lesson.
The second lesson, if you don't get throughthat, is the kids.
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Yep.
It's a order to it, seriously.
Like, if you don't know how to and I remember Iwas having a conversation with a friend of
ours, and we was talking about relationships.
And, I said, listen.
If you don't know how to sacrifice, I I I feellike compromise, that's not really the word.
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It's really sacrifice.
If you don't know how to sacrifice, you'rereally not gonna know how to keep a
relationship.
Yeah.
Because there's some and I'm not talking aboutin a bad way.
I'm not talking about, like, in a way where,you know, somebody's getting, you know, in a a
bad situation.
But, I mean, sacrifice where there are gonna bethings you don't understand about that
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individual, and you just wanna pop them upsidetheir head, Jesus.
Somebody
once told me, you do not have a fifty fiftyrelationship in a marriage.
You have 100100% because you're each giving100%, and you're each taking 100%.
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And so when you look at it that way, it's like,okay.
We don't have to be equal in everything becauseeverybody is different.
And a lot of times, it's the differences thatbring us together because then we can lift each
other up when the f one needs to be lifted up.
The differences are like, hey.
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I've got this idea that I know how we can dothis.
It's like, okay.
Good.
You're there working together, and you're usingthose differences to make a whole, to make it
go.
Absolutely.
I always say, in most cases, you have to havedifferent in the relationship.
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Because where you're weak, that otherindividual has something that's going to pull
you out.
And where that you're strong, you havesomething that's going to help pull them out.
And the crazy thing is how life works.
The capacity of what each individual is builtwith is different, where you, LS, may be able
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to do 500 things to possibly maybe the onething that maybe your spouse knows how to do.
Yep.
The tools yeah.
The thing is person.
But but God gave you that bandwidth in order tocarry.
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Because if you were like that, it may causedifferent distractions.
Right.
You know what I mean?
Because someone who's high energy, like you andI, you know, we could be we're very high
energy.
So to sit down, we're trying to think aboutthere's work that needs to be done.
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We're we're like, we need investigate.
Like, for us, we have to learn how to rest andbecause if like, it's always something that
needs to be done.
Like, my brain is going when it first breaksup, and I say to myself, what has to be done
today?
It can go through everything that's going toget done today.
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My partner know.
Rest.
Just rest.
I'll and it I I don't even understand itsometimes.
I'm like, it's twenty four hours in a day.
I feel like there's not enough, and somehow youcan fulfill the twenty four hours.
And you can fulfill it.
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I was like, oh, so yeah.
And part of it too is we learn these thingsthat are not our strengths.
We learn them from the other one.
Exactly.
I out of rest because of that.
I had to because I really didn't know.
I mean, I actually went through a place ofkinda getting some type of anxiety at sometimes
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when I had to rest because I felt like there'ssomething that had to be done.
Yeah.
Okay.
I had five minutes.
Can I get up now?
Yeah.
It's crazy.
I think I did that for my mother, though,because my mother was like that.
She was very mom she was very high energy.
My dad was the rester, to say the least.
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He was he was the rester.
And my mom was like, she is pew, pew, pew, pew.
And I understand it because I'm the same way.
Like, there's work that needs to be done.
I don't understand why you have a moment toeven sit down.
But, like
But it's Those moments are very precious.
Yeah.
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And you learn to appreciate.
Yeah.
Yes.
You do.
And and and the other way around, it's like,I'm sure you get appreciated because we know
when something needs to be done, you're gonnaget it done.
You're not just wait for it.
So so there's there's victory in both of them.
Yeah.
Victory in both of them.
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I like that.
Mhmm.
It's victory in both of
them.
Mhmm.
But yes.
Yeah.
So I just I've just learned how to, in thisseason, I just have learned how to trust God
and take every walk and, embrace every victoryand every lesson.
I don't call them I try not to call them, youknow, try to get myself hung up on
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Yeah.
I use challenges now.
Yeah.
A challenge that has to be learned.
Yep.
That's right.
And you do.
You learn from it.
And I think we at least for me, I do notcelebrate enough victories.
You know, if I was to list all of the victoriesthrough the day, I would be very shocked at how
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many there are because I've, you know, I've gotmy gratitude journal.
And one day, I thought, well, I'm just gonna begrateful for the victories I had today.
And I start counting them up, and it's like,woah.
And I thought there was nothing.
And it's like, I better rethink this thisattitude I have and really be grateful for
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everything I have.
It's it's because anything can be taken awayfrom you in a second.
And it's like, want to be grateful for what Ihave.
So God will keep blessing me with what I have.
Because I think when I start becomingungrateful, taking advantage of it, he's gonna
say, oh, well, then you don't need thisanymore.
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Or he says, I'm gonna block you from it becauseyou are not in a good place, and you need to go
back to where I put you.
You know?
Stop wandering away.
Stop stop going off in another adventures.
It's like, this is where I want you to be.
Look at what's around you.
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And it's like and you get a whole differentattitude.
You know, we're talking about feelings andthoughts and actions, but you do.
With the attitude, it's like, wow.
This is really great.
So, you know, a day I may start up just feelingkind of down.
You know, as you get older, your emotionsreally change because it's like you're going
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through teenagehood again.
One day, you're up.
Next day, you're down.
Like, oh my goodness.
Not again.
But it's it's it's like, I I be down today.
I've got a whole life ahead of me.
Where's this excitement?
Sometimes you may not realize it, and then it'slike, okay.
Have you smiled today?
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Have have you laughed?
You know, I hear about laughter yoga where youjust start laughing.
That makes a difference.
Hi.
You talk about God having humor and beingfunny.
Oh, yeah.
He's very funny.
At how many benefits we get from when we laugh,even when we just smile.
Yeah.
I know.
Yes.
The smile on your face changes everything.
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And then you add a little bit of laughter tothat.
And and, yeah, there's I think God has a reallygood sense of humor.
Oh, I
know he do because he made me.
Yeah.
I know he do.
I said the other day, I put on, social media, Isaid, one prayer answered deserves a a victory
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of a thousand.
Oh, beautiful.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And we, and I just had thought about just yes.
Thank you.
You know?
The thank you.
To the point I was about to run matter of fact,I think I did run around the house.
Because it was such a because I know.
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You know what I mean?
When you know, you know.
Like Yeah.
That was a victory.
Even if the victory has not been all the waymanifested, you can still see it.
Oh, yeah.
And the fact that I could still see themanifestation, I know in my mind and in my
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heart and in my soul, I said, well, I knowyou're gonna do it then.
Because it was it's like going to a parent.
And, you know, you ask for something, and maybeyour brother or your sister got it first.
Oh.
But
just but because you know they got it, itempowers you to feel like, I know mine's is
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coming next.
That's how I felt.
I felt so happy about it.
I was so happy.
Like That's funny.
Because it was a prayer that still wasanswered.
It still was a gift that was given.
That's how I look at It still was a gift thatwas given.
That was made that the request was still madeknown.
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So to know that you heard me is where the joycomes from.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Definitely.
Yeah.
And and, you know, one of the things I've hadto learn and, unfortunately, sometimes I've got
a hard head, and it takes a while for me tolearn things.
But there is is joy in waiting.
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And why does god say to wait?
It may not have anything to do with you.
That's good.
He's working on this over here, or this personneeds to be doing this here, or something else
needs to happen there before you can get thegift.
It was it was just amazing.
And and I can do a real quick example of usgetting this house.
(35:50):
We were going through houses and looking.
We found this.
This is the one I wanted.
Came off the market right away.
Realtor called and it's like, what happened?
And she goes, there's something wrong with theroof, and they don't know when they're gonna
put it back on the market.
Well, we're almost done looking.
It's like it's getting towards winter.
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You know, we've got to either get a house orget another year with the rental that we're at.
And it's like, we gotta do something.
So had a had another realtor in the samecompany, but another realtor took us around.
He goes, you know, I got this house I'd reallylike you to look at.
We come up here, and I'm driving here, and it'slike, this looks familiar.
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And we get into the driveway, and it's like, Irecognize this place.
Now out front that made me really realize I wasat the right place is they had this bull made
out of metal that was a barbecue grill.
Sounds really gross, but it was reallyadorable.
Somebody was just a craftsman.
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And so it's like, oh, I recognize this place.
Mhmm.
I wonder if it's the one I'm really thinking ofbecause when you're looking at houses, they
just all jumble up in your mind after a while.
So we go inside, and it was like, this is thehouse I wanted.
They got the roof fixed, and they were able toput it back on the market.
And I'm like, this is it.
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That is crazy.
We're not looking at nothing else, but we hadto wait until they could get the house prepared
for us to get it.
So thinking of something like that, it's like,okay, god.
I'll wait.
Because god says, okay.
You want this?
I really wanna give it to you, but I gotsomething way better for you.
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And it's gonna take a little bit, but thenyou're gonna get it, and you're gonna love it
so much more.
So when we get a yes or we get a no or we getsilence, the silence is the waiting, and the
silence is something else has to happen forthis to happen for you.
And
That's crazy that you said that.
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Okay.
Because one of the same things happened with myhouse.
Oh, wow.
I
we we came we had a we had a real estate agent.
We came to the house.
I'll never forget.
It was me, my partner, who's coming here to seethe, house.
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And, but it had a rose on it.
So my middle name is Rose.
I looked at it as like an emblem.
You know?
Like, that's my emblem.
But when they opened the door, the rentersopened the door, something in the house said,
mm-mm.
Oh.
Oh.
So I said so I said, no.
I said this I said, this is, something'ssomething's off.
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That's what I said.
I said, no.
I'm not going to, I said I said I told therenters.
I told, the the real estate agent.
I said, tell them we'll come back.
That's fine.
Yeah.
Couple weeks later matter of fact, a few weekslater, I'm outside.
I'm talking to my cousin.
I see the house on the market.
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What's what open house.
That's what it was.
It was an open house.
Okay.
I had fifteen minutes to like, thirty tofifteen minutes to get in, and I'm up there
yapping my gums about to miss it because I wastalking to my cousin.
Something said, Danielle, get off the phone.
So I got off the phone.
Came to the same exact house that first I waslike, tell them we'll come back because it was
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renters here.
Right.
Came back to the open house.
The owner was here.
He happened to be the, real also a real estateagent.
The house was totally renovated.
Bottom.
I seen first, it was not if I would have walkedin the first time, I would have never came
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back.
God knew I wouldn't came back for the openhouse.
The fact that the house because when I firstcame, it was carpet.
When I came back, it was floor to floor, harphardwood floor.
Oh.
Just Wow.
Like, you know, just a wall to wall.
That deal worked out so wonderfully.
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I tell people to we only we walked out theclosing with money.
We didn't even walked out we walked out theclosing with money.
I never even to the point I had, I I actuallyhad hired an attorney.
The attorney somehow how the originator did it,he made sure the attorney got the money within
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the deal.
Didn't have to pay the thousand dollars.
I need because I was, like, 900 or a thousanddollars.
Didn't have to pay anything.
I said, god.
You funny.
I said, you funny.
Because we had, like, a month and a half to getout the house.
Oh, wow.
Oh, wow.
At the apartment I'm sorry.
At the the apartment, I'm like, I don't wedon't have time.
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And I tell you, we walked when I walked inhere, my it's the crave I don't know.
I remember I wrote the agent saying, you'llknow when it's your house.
Yes.
Yes.
I knew it was my house.
I said, this is it.
I said, this is it.
Isn't that crazy?
Yeah.
I love it.
There we go.
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Two examples of something.
You just gotta wait.
Gotta wait on it.
It's coming.
Yeah.
I love that.
I love that.
Love that.
Oh, me too.
Me too.
That's wonderful.
Yes.
So, yeah, so there's been a lot of things Iwill say that I know that's coming in 2025.
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That's gonna blow up our mind.
I am I'm I'm not waiting for it, but I'm soanxious for it.
It's like, I can hardly wait to see whathappens because it is.
I I too.
I believe it's just gonna be something that wedon't even expect, something really good.
Elated about it too.
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Do you have let
me ask you a question, Ellis.
Is there some type of lighting in your house?
Like, what do you mean?
Like, do you have, like, a light that's, like,near you, like a lighting?
I got a great big light here.
A crazy old ring here.
Is while we're talking, there's certain timesthat you illuminate differently.
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You're not the first person to say that.
Okay.
I was like, Jesus, wait a minute.
Even before I got these lights, even when wewere in the rental place, I've had other people
say that to me.
That's interesting.
Jesus, help me, God.
Because That
light that shines out
of me.
And I'm being honest.
It's a different type of illumination.
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It's not a light that, you know I knew youdidn't have it.
I just had to ask because god knew I just hadto ask.
But the way it illuminates, you have to see itfor yourself.
I wish I could.
I even had somebody take a picture, you know,do a screenshot, and it's like, I don't see it.
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But, you know, lighthouse doesn't see the lightthat it's got shining out.
Yeah.
No.
That's different.
That's awesome.
And I'll be honest.
That's that is and I'm because I'm I was tryingto keep my mouth kinda, like, shut about it.
Okay.
I said I
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got a lot of people praying over me today.
A lot of people.
I'll tell you one thing.
He is there in the mist.
Yep.
Because that type of
light is different.
That's not a light that you could that's notnatural.
That's a supernatural light.
Sure.
Yeah.
Supernatural light.
When I was in Idaho, I was going through a lot.
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My husband had been diagnosed with PTSD.
There was a lot of stuff because of that thatwas going on that wasn't good.
And at one point, I said, I need to go take awalk.
Right.
And I might have said it pretty rough.
(44:08):
Not as nice, but it's like, I'm going for awalk.
Don't bother me.
And so I went out walking, and and I'm mad, andI'm frustrated.
And it's like, ah, how do I get through this?
And how do I I still stay your child?
And what do I do?
And and I'm walking through, and and God's justletting me get it all out.
(44:31):
And then we're walking, and I'm finally calmingdown.
And I really start praying hard again.
And all of a sudden, as as strange as this isgonna sound, I could feel God walking here.
I could feel Jesus walking here, and I felt thespirit around us.
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And it's like, it's all gonna be okay.
That was beautiful.
I don't I I believe you brought it.
Because that light is real.
No.
I believe I I I am one because my eyes haveseen a lot of supernatural things.
Oh, wow.
Nice.
It's some some of them are nice.
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Some of them aren't.
Because what you see some some some of thelight you see, some of the dark you see.
I I remember when I wanted to learn aboutangels.
I got a book, fabulous book.
It's called angels among us by Rhodes, and Ican't think of his first name.
And he's talking about kids that are in ahospital because they're severely ill.
(45:38):
Mhmm.
And sometimes the kids say, I see black angels,and they scare me.
And sometimes they see white angels, and theymake me feel safe.
So, you know, there's there's stuff going on.
Stories I've heard of missionaries in otherplaces where evil is just gonna come.
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The, you know, the soldiers or whatever theyare gonna come.
They're gonna gonna murder everybody in theschoolhouse, everybody in the village.
And they come again, and nothing happens.
And they come again and nothing happens.
And the one missionary at this one particulartime had had a few months later saw one of the
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guys that used to be a part of of that,whatever it is Mhmm.
Warriors that now it changed or something.
And he goes, why didn't you guys ever attackus?
We saw you come and then you'd leave.
And he goes, we couldn't because of all thesoldiers dressed in white around you.
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And they're like, okay.
You know, supernatural.
Like Elijah says, open their eyes so they cansee that you're there so they're not afraid.
And the men's eyes were opened, and they sawall of the the angels that were there to battle
for him.
And, you know, we what's the verse?
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Our battle is not with flesh.
It's with with spiritual powers.
Principality of the air.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And and, you know, there's too many people whosee things that are different.
That's why I wrote the book, and and it's ananthology book, a collaboration of modern day
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miracles experienced by ordinary people.
Because I wanted people to know that miraclesstill do happen today, and they don't happen to
people who are pious or who are very spiritualor anything.
They happen to Right.
Ordinary people.
Yeah.
All the time.
You talk to nurses.
You talk to doctors.
You wanna find out about miracles.
(47:46):
Talk to them how how things happen that nevershould happen.
It's just crazy.
And the stories that are in that book areamazing.
Yeah.
They're just amazing stories.
And I talk about the time that my daughter andI are coming back.
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We're at at a event.
We were having a good time, and we're at thisfour way stop.
And I hear the truck.
I see the truck, but I figure he's gonna stop.
You know, they always stop there.
And it sounds to me like he's slowing down.
But I think what I interpreted this is where wego about so many people see something, but I
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think what I interpreted was him slowing down,was him actually speeding up.
And Wow.
Expecting him to stop, I put on the gas, go,and all of a sudden, my daughter's I don't know
if she said something or if I looked and sawit, but this is her window and the front of the
truck is right there.
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And all of a sudden, the truck is down there.
We're over here, and it's like we turned intovapor and just weaved in and out of each other.
Because there is no way that truck being thatclose.
And we're in a little jet little Jeep.
You know?
Mhmm.
No pop on it.
I believe it.
And and we're clear over here, and I stopped.
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The truck hit his brakes.
He could see the marks on the road.
Wow.
And and we're both sitting there like, whatjust happened?
And what'd you do?
Nobody got hurt.
You can't go out and exchange anything.
Why?
Nothing happened.
But it was just it's like,
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you know,
God God with you.
And and I for a long time, I thought, you know,my daughter hadn't been with me.
I wondered if I would be here or not because Ihave seen the spirit over her in several
situations.
Mhmm.
And and I've seen it with my other kids too.
(49:56):
But anytime her and I are together on a roadtrip or in a car, there's you just okay.
What's gonna happen this time, Lord?
It's just kind of funny.
Yeah.
It's it's just amazing, but there's there's toomuch evidence to show that that there isn't a
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supernatural world out there because there is.
Yeah.
Mhmm.
Oh, no.
I know it to be true.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
That's interesting you saw that light.
It's like, I can't?
Okay.
Yeah.
No.
I I I know.
No.
I I saw it.
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I saw it.
I saw it.
Okay.
Well, we should finish up here and and show meyour book again.
I I love that title.
I love the cover on it.
It's just powerful.
Can you see I'm not that dark place.
Right there.
Yeah.
So where where can we get the book?
You can, pick it up.
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Amazon.com.
You can always email me at speak@Dlosscode.comif you also want a copy.
I'm in New Jersey, but for those that areworldwide, Amazon.com.
You can go on there and see it.
And and, actually, you know, write out a reviewas well.
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And that book right there is a thirty one daydevotional journal.
So however ever you possibly may be, you don'thave to start from the beginning.
You can start wherever that person or thatindividual may be dealing with whatever they're
dealing with and journal out the emotion, andand you're gonna have to sit in it.
Unfortunately fortunately, but unfortunately,it's not always going to feel good to sit in in
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some of the things that we have to come out of,but you're going to feel better.
Yeah.
We get free.
Yeah.
And and just come back to this podcast andlisten to DL talk about it.
And and Yes.
It'll be okay.
You're gonna get out of it.
Love it, Ellis.
I love this time.
I love it.
Oh, this was so organic.
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So much.
Yeah.
This was was very unusual, but it was great.
Yeah.
It was very unusual.
Necessary.
Alright.
Thank you for being Thank
you for having me.
I appreciate you so much.
Thank you for having me.
Anytime.
Alrighty.
Have a great one.
Bye bye.
Thank you for joining us.
We'll see you next time on reading between thewords.
Because there's so many people I speak to.
I just spoke to a young lady the other day, andshe told me, like, she really didn't know what
she wanted to do.
And I was like, well, what did so I asked herwhat she was good at.
And then she was like, well, you know, I'm goodat talking.
I said, well, there you have it.
I said, now you just have to find what youwanna talk about that's gonna be good for the
people to hear.
(00:33):
Because that's that's how I I'm a talker.
I like to talk.
Now, LS, is that the name is that the name thatwe I'm calling?
Is that the name you Yep.
I love it.
The LS Patrick show?
I like that.
I love the l oh, I love LS.
I love I love a good initial.
(00:53):
Reminds me of a LS Lexus.
There you go.
I don't even know if it's a LS Lexus, but itsound like it should go it should go with the
name.
Alright.
I know where my next picture's gonna be takenat.
Life's so fun.
(01:13):
It is so fun.
Yeah.
Gotta be joyful.
You gotta be upbeat.
You gotta do what you gotta do.
So, yeah, so I'm so happy about that with thebook.
I've never knew that, like, with the theanthology.
I even thought about anthology one time.
Yeah.
It was recently.
Now I didn't think about it in the way that youmay think I was thinking about it.
(01:35):
Now I was actually thinking about the anthologyin the way of the bible.
Okay.
Explain to me.
So I said to myself, I said, the firstanthology was actually the bible because you
have 66 books and 40 authors.
Yeah.
Ain't that and over so many years, and it allmakes sense.
(01:58):
It all makes sense.
And the way I came up with this is one day Iwas having a conversation with someone, and
they were saying how the bible's, you know, acontradiction.
You know, people have their, you know,conversations.
Yeah.
I said, no.
No.
No.
No.
No.
It does not.
I said, it's it's really not.
I said, what god really did if you really sitand really think about the bible and take it
(02:23):
all in, I said he just used the psychologicalpart of an individual to interpret his
spiritual aspect of what they were going
through.
Yeah.
So what you may get from one in one chapter orin one book, the other person may come with
something totally different according to whatthey're going through.
(02:44):
So if you and I are going through something, hehas to speak to us where we are.
Oh, yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
He's not gonna speak to LS like he's gonnaspeak to I'm a use my initials.
I just feel like I just wanna be on initials.
Alrighty.
He's not gonna speak to LS the way he speaks toDL.
He's just not.
Right.
So even if we're going through the same thing,there are going to be psychological differences
(03:09):
in the way our minds and our hearts are set forhim to do his work.
You know what that reminds me of is the examplethat people will use for whatever it is,
whether it's psychology, police work,ambulance, whatever.
You've got 10 people that witnessed this, let'ssay, a car accident.
(03:33):
Mhmm.
You are gonna have 10 people who see it throughtheir own eyes.
They're gonna give you 10 different stories ofwhat happened.
So when you hear all 10 of them, you get apretty good idea of what really happened.
But each one that was there is going to bedifferent.
I was just listening to Jim Rohn, and he saysat at one of the talks he had, he had one
(03:58):
person come up to him and and say, wow.
That was so powerful.
I love the way you explained that.
I totally understand it now, and I know I canachieve something.
Then he had another person come up to him, tellhim about the same thing he talked about.
And he said, it's about time somebody came upand told what a bunch of crap this is and how
(04:19):
everything is awful.
I am so glad you did that.
Mhmm.
It's kinda like it was the same exact talk, buttwo different thoughts came out of it.
So, yeah, there might be something in the biblethat you say, oh, it contradicts itself, but it
really doesn't.
You have a different way of saying it becausewe as people sometimes need to hear something a
(04:43):
different way to understand it.
I always say that.
Some people, it's it's like the gospel,Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
They all visit Jesus Jesus visit all of them.
It's just that the story is going to have alittle bit of difference because we have it
from four different individuals.
But, I was talking to someone the other day,and I was he was talking about, the way, like,
(05:05):
we, perceive how certain people talk.
I said, I'm really better with people who aremore logical.
I know when I'm speaking to someone morelogical.
Right.
Because even when, like like, certain preachersnow a a person who has more passion and more
emotion may be saying the same thing as them,but my mind is going is not going to comprehend
(05:27):
it or, I will say, kinda digest it is the wordbetter word.
Digest it as if someone that was saying whereit was mentally being broken down, like, oh, it
hit me different.
Yes.
Yes.
Because I think I think some people speak withtheir emotions, and I think some people speak
with their, minds.
I think they intertwine, of course, hence why,LS, I wrote a book about emotions because I was
(05:52):
one of those people who did not know how todeal with my emotions.
Right.
So I had to figure out how to get this alltogether.
Yeah.
So What's the name of your book?
It's called finding listen.
I thought she never asked.
Always keep it next to me.
Always keep it next to me.
(06:13):
Go get it.
Finding emotional maturity.
This is actually when it the first copy theactual first copy is not for resale.
Finding emotional maturity through emotionalawareness.
It it talks about how we unlearn the emotionsof our past because we all pick up something.
Yes.
And, the thing about it is is that everyonetalks about mindset, but no one talks about a
(06:35):
heartset.
Yeah.
We
have to set the heart.
So true.
Yeah.
We always talk about the mindset, but wherewhere does the emotions lie with this?
Because as much and I think what happens iswhen we get into the emotional part of, or the
the emotional part, we find more depth.
(06:58):
I do feel like the mind is very powerful.
Yeah.
But I feel like the emotions hold more depth,if I could kinda define it that way.
So the heart is where we have to.
So people always say, you know, I gotta cutpeople off.
I gotta do this.
I gotta do all that.
But when we really figure out and find out thedepth of love, Love is patient.
(07:23):
Love is kind.
Love is long suffering.
Then we get to those places in the emotion thatwe are supposed to be cleansing, that the mind
cannot fathom in certain areas or certain partsbecause it's too busy rustling against its own
self.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I was, doing a study right now about mindset,really delving into it because I realized I've
(07:50):
got a lot of garbage in there from, you know,whatever.
And and it's Yeah.
And it needs to be changed.
Right.
So I'm listening to Jim Rohn, listening to BobProctor.
And Bob Proctor, I went and got my notebook,and he talks about how attitude is the
composite of our thoughts, our feelings, andour actions.
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So you think of it like a cake.
Someone brings you a cake.
You don't go, oh, what yummy flour or whatyummy cinnamon or what yummy milk.
You know?
You go, oh, what a yummy cake.
So your feelings Yes.
Thoughts, your heart, your mind, and then theaction you take on that goes with that.
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So that worked out really well with what you'resaying, and it's like you do.
You have to deal with all of it.
And Yes.
And some may have more feelings like you weresaying.
Some may have more thoughts like you weresaying.
And but it's all good because there are almost9,000,000,000 people in the world and not
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everybody is going to be exactly the same.
So we need them.
Yeah.
The world would be boring if everybody was thesame.
Oh, man.
Wouldn't it?
I mean, I'm just being honest.
I think the world would be so boring if theworld was the same.
I think that when it comes down to, life initself, it has to give us the the bad and the
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good.
Because to be
this up here.
If everybody was the same, there wouldn't bethis Oh
my god.
There wouldn't be that colorful.
Yeah.
It wouldn't be that colorful.
It wouldn't be that colorful.
And that's what again, it's, like, so sometimespeople like, I would get in certain
conversations and people would be like, well,you do it this way.
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I'd be like, and that's what makes the world goaround because I'm doing it the way that I feel
that it's conducive for me.
That's right.
And that's what we have to do.
You know?
In a in a group, and I'm listening to thedifferent voices.
You have someone from South Africa.
You have someone from England.
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You have someone from Australia, and I'mlistening to all of these different voices.
There was somebody from oh, I think it was itwas two different parts of of The UK, and you
could tell.
I mean, soon as they start talking, oh, it'slike, oh, I think you're from around London or
this, but I'm listening to these voices.
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Right.
And they're beautiful, beautiful voices.
And I'm thinking how amazing.
Just absolutely amazing.
It's gotta be in heaven, especially wheneverybody starts singing together.
Just gonna be phenomenal.
And it's like, I just can hardly wait.
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You know?
I love it.
I know that's I know that's right.
I love it.
But but No.
But I understand the excitement of of seeingthat and fill and feeling that.
They're Yeah.
Listen.
I understand.
We because sometimes when people sing, theybring such a voice that is like, wow.
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If you sing like that, how does it sound inheaven?
And and I'm ready to go to heaven, so I can'tsing so people like to hear it.
Because right right now, my my baby grandkids,when I would first singing, they were like, do
they cry?
And it's like, no.
So I quit.
So I'd and then there would be smiles.
So I was
like, okay.
I can't sing to my grandkids till they're alittle older, and then we'll sing fun songs.
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But Together.
Yes.
That's right.
Chorus.
Yes.
But it's like yeah.
And and even at that, you know, somebody'sgotta be the cheerleader.
Somebody has to be the audience to hear thesingers.
Yeah.
You know, I'm giving a talk next weekend onleadership.
And there are so many so many different ways tobe a leader.
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And but what kind of a leader?
You know?
Why do you wanna be a leader?
What what kind of leader do you wanna be?
And It comes with one that
much.
No.
I was just just saying too what you weresaying.
It comes with so much.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
And you have such a great responsibility.
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You really do.
I mean, our our history shows leaders that thatcould lead, but but they led into tyranny and
oppression and such devastating things.
And then you have other leaders that that don'treally claim to be a leader, but people will
follow them to the ends of the earth, so tospeak.
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And and they lead with love and compassion.
And and it's interesting because if you look atat some, I'll just say, some marriages, You
have husbands who are stern and strict and dowhat I say, and then you have the other
husbands who give leeway to their family, totheir wife, and and let them make the mistakes.
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Let them do the things they do, and then theylearn and they grow together and they get
stronger.
So it's it's, yeah, it's just amazing.
Yeah.
Well and, you know, it definitely is.
And I was able to see my grandfather like that.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
I never heard him yell, LS.
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No.
Mine mine either.
My grandpa never
Never heard my grandfather yell, and he alwaysparted us with wisdom.
That was it.
He said what he said, and it had and it made,like, a proverb verb like, proverb sense.
Like, where did you get it?
It was
so deep.
Grab a proverb.
Yeah.
Like, he was just very wise.
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I never heard him yell at my grandmother.
My grandma neither.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just never, he was very he worked hard forhis family, and he just I just never heard him
yell.
He was just a man of much wisdom and greatpatience.
Wow.
He had a a he had a voice deep like Earl, EarlJones.
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Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
He had one of them baritones.
Now on the flip side, I also seen where like,my mother and my father.
My father was more demanding.
Love him, but he was very much more demandingon the flip side.
So I had the opportunity to see how becausewhen I feel like even as a parent or in a
marriage, you have to be available.
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One thing I said, even when I was young, I feltlike this, LS.
There are certain things that come withindividual lessons and processes, whether you
are married or whether you are single.
And whether you are married or not does notstop the process from happening.
You still have to grow.
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Right.
And it's how you grow.
That's why some people grow apart, and somepeople continue to grow together.
And that's where we get with the equally yokedfrom.
It's how are you going with that individual?
Because the problem is is that when you grow,there's going to be challenges that then hit
the relationship because the one is notfamiliar to this new growth.
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And that was up to that other individual to nowtry to say, yeah.
It's not and and and the crazy thing is it isthat they're changing, but they're evolving.
We can't always see it.
Sometimes we use change and, oh, you're you'reacting different.
No.
They're evolving into someone where god wantsto meet them.
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And if you're not in that place to hear thevoice of god, you will feel kinda intimidated.
You'll get intimidated by the growth that theperson that you're married to or the person
that you're with is starting to become.
So this is why marriages become a challenge orrelationships become a challenge because we
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have growth spurts.
And it and the crazy thing is each individualhas a growth spurt, so you have to be wise.
I remember one day, I was praying.
And I said, you know what, God?
Don't ever allow me to have the spirit ofjealousy come into my heart.
Yeah.
And the reason why is because a lot of times,you'll see someone else, and the first thing
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you do is you start comparing.
Because I truly believe jealousy starts comingin when you start comparing, and you cannot do
that.
So I said that
for you.
No.
I feel like you're your biggest competition.
Yep.
LS is her biggest competition.
D DL is her biggest competition.
We are our biggest competitions.
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And we cannot go by and this is what God hadbrought to me when I was in the midst of
praying about it.
He said, Danielle, the problem is is that wesee people where they are, where they at, but
we never saw what they were going throughbehind the scenes.
Oh, yes.
So the blessings that come in the front arealready some of the some of the things that
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have already been sown in private.
So if you don't wanna go through what they wentthrough, take your story as the story.
Because your story has its own you know what Imean?
Take your own story as the story.
And so that's what actually happened becauseit's a terrible feeling, to be honest with you.
I don't even know how people stay there,seriously.
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I don't even know how I don't even know howpeople stay there.
But I said that ain't a heart that I want.
I like want my heart pure, and I want it just.
Yep.
So
a lot of people won't talk about it because itsounds so, oh my god.
No.
I would never no.
Listen.
We are all human.
It's in the bible.
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Listen.
You have to admit your negatives as well asyour positives.
Oh, yes. Oh,
yes. Oh, yes.
Can't eliminate your negatives withoutacknowledging them.
Yeah.
So I never forget saying that to myself.
One day, I felt it kinda creep up, and I said,mm-mm.
I said, no.
No.
No.
I said, don't do that.
I said, you can't do that.
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So one thing I've learned about the work when Istarted going through my emotional journey is
that I had to connect with a lot of things thatI didn't like about myself.
Yeah.
I had to sit in them, LS.
I had to sit in them.
And I think that's what happens when it comesdown to a hard set.
We don't like to sit in the heart of it.
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We wanna move because we really don't wannafeel.
And the crazy thing is sometimes is we don'twanna admit that we're even feeling the
destructive way that our heart is feeling.
Yeah.
Because, one, we never even thought we would bethere.
Or two, it's like, this just ain't right, andthis is not where I want to be.
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But like you said, if you're not sitting in it,figuring it out, acknowledge it so you can can
eliminate it, I guess, is the way to put it.
Yes.
You have to remove it.
And I think that is the difference between amindset and a heart set.
Yes.
A mindset is I I believe, in my own opinion, isthat it's helping you grow in ways where you're
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being challenged with certain things.
You're you're being challenged.
Right.
But the heart, you have to sit.
The mind, you're like, growing.
You're you're you're you're like that's whythere are people that are in their careers, and
they're good at the career and the role thatthey're in, but they suck at their identity.
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Yeah.
I know that sounds strange, but that's true.
They're good.
They they they are overachievers when it comesdown to their career, when it comes down to the
role of life.
But when it comes down to them achieving theemotional side, it's like they're garbage.
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It's like they don't and when I say they'regarbage, it's like not literally Jesus.
It's just that they are to a point wherethey're a mess inside and don't even know that
money would never buy.
This is why a lot of people who gain a lot ofmoney are still not fulfilled.
Fulfillment really comes when you startcleansing your inside.
I truly believe that's why God said he cleansesus from the inside to the out.
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Oh, yeah.
We externally look at a lot of things.
We externally wanna see what people have to,give us, whatever the motive is, and we
externally want to judge how people are aswell.
I was gonna put this on, Facebook one day.
I'll probably put it somewhere down the line.
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I don't know.
But I said, judgment is overrated when theheart is tainted.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know
what I mean?
Like, it's o like, it's clear you can see theissue of an individual.
But what about do you see the heart of theindividual?
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This is why it's about a heart set because thisis what is being really judged with god.
It's the heart.
It ain't what you're really doing on theexternal.
You go to church every Sunday, Monday, Tuesday,Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
But where is the heart of the human?
Where's the compassion?
One of the things that god has showed me duringmy journey is grace.
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Oh, I love grace.
I love grace so much.
We all do.
Well, some of it.
I don't know.
You and I both do.
I'm a just keep us in the box right with us.
You know mean?
Seriously, it's the grace.
Like
Yeah.
How do I even like, grace, it allows me to seethings different.
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It allows my eye the lens of my eyes to changebecause I'm looking at it more from a
compassionate standpoint than, an arrogant one.
Right.
Right.
You know, that reminds me of the bible versewhere God says and I love the words he uses.
He says, take the log out of your when I beforeyou take the speck out of somebody else's eye.
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And and that never really hit me.
I always heard that, but it never hit me tillthis week.
It's like, woah.
He's talking about that log in there.
And and a lot of people can use that verse fora lot of ways, but I think it's it's so true.
And God gives us the grace to see that inourselves so we can remove it.
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Yes.
So we don't have to try to take the speck outof somebody else's eye.
So we can be there to to lovingly say, look.
I had a huge log in my eye.
You just got a little tiny speck.
But If you want, I'm here for you instead ofinstead of what's the word they're using?
Being catty and and all of
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that.
Yeah.
There's no need for that.
Mhmm.
Mhmm.
Yeah.
It's really a, it's really different when youhave to the thing about it is I found with
grace, it becomes more effective when you gothrough something, you come out of it.
Yes.
Because then you gain compassion.
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Like, it might not be the same thing thatsomebody else went through.
Right.
But it gives you an understanding too, doesn'tit?
Mhmm.
Yeah.
It's like, oh, I get it now.
Yes.
This is why.
Yes.
Like,
crap.
I had to go through it to understand it.
It's like Yeah.
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Help me to understand without having to gothrough things.
Yeah.
That's what that's what makes life
a lot.
Grace.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I like that.
You're giving somebody grace if you don'tunderstand what you're going through, but
you're still gonna be there for them for whatthey need.
That's giving them grace.
Yes.
And You can It's it's just what it is.
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And I learned that, like, you don't you don'talways understand what people are going
through, and I don't try.
Let me just be clear about that.
But I do understand that there's certain thingsthat my lips do not need to speak, but my
prayers need to go up for.
Oh, yes.
Oh, yes.
Yeah.
Yes.
So with that, I've learned how to be morehumble with error.
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Oh, good.
Oh, I like the way you say that.
Yeah.
I'm not yes.
I have to because you have to.
And to be honest, I always say I'll be like,god is so funny.
He is one of the greatest and most wonderful,funniest, gentleman's fathers I've ever known.
Because I look at it how god orchestrated life.
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Oh, man.
That's the thing when I look at, you know,marriage and I look at, you know, people that
are in relationships, I said that's, like, thefirst thing of sacrifice.
That's That was the first lesson.
The second lesson, if you don't get throughthat, is the kids.
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Yep.
It's a order to it, seriously.
Like, if you don't know how to and I remember Iwas having a conversation with a friend of
ours, and we was talking about relationships.
And, I said, listen.
If you don't know how to sacrifice, I I I feellike compromise, that's not really the word.
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It's really sacrifice.
If you don't know how to sacrifice, you'rereally not gonna know how to keep a
relationship.
Yeah.
Because there's some and I'm not talking aboutin a bad way.
I'm not talking about, like, in a way where,you know, somebody's getting, you know, in a a
bad situation.
But, I mean, sacrifice where there are gonna bethings you don't understand about that
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individual, and you just wanna pop them upsidetheir head, Jesus.
Somebody
once told me, you do not have a fifty fiftyrelationship in a marriage.
You have 100100% because you're each giving100%, and you're each taking 100%.
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And so when you look at it that way, it's like,okay.
We don't have to be equal in everything becauseeverybody is different.
And a lot of times, it's the differences thatbring us together because then we can lift each
other up when the f one needs to be lifted up.
The differences are like, hey.
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I've got this idea that I know how we can dothis.
It's like, okay.
Good.
You're there working together, and you're usingthose differences to make a whole, to make it
go.
Absolutely.
I always say, in most cases, you have to havedifferent in the relationship.
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Because where you're weak, that otherindividual has something that's going to pull
you out.
And where that you're strong, you havesomething that's going to help pull them out.
And the crazy thing is how life works.
The capacity of what each individual is builtwith is different, where you, LS, may be able
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to do 500 things to possibly maybe the onething that maybe your spouse knows how to do.
Yep.
The tools yeah.
The thing is person.
But but God gave you that bandwidth in order tocarry.
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Because if you were like that, it may causedifferent distractions.
Right.
You know what I mean?
Because someone who's high energy, like you andI, you know, we could be we're very high
energy.
So to sit down, we're trying to think aboutthere's work that needs to be done.
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We're we're like, we need investigate.
Like, for us, we have to learn how to rest andbecause if like, it's always something that
needs to be done.
Like, my brain is going when it first breaksup, and I say to myself, what has to be done
today?
It can go through everything that's going toget done today.
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My partner know.
Rest.
Just rest.
I'll and it I I don't even understand itsometimes.
I'm like, it's twenty four hours in a day.
I feel like there's not enough, and somehow youcan fulfill the twenty four hours.
And you can fulfill it.
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I was like, oh, so yeah.
And part of it too is we learn these thingsthat are not our strengths.
We learn them from the other one.
Exactly.
I out of rest because of that.
I had to because I really didn't know.
I mean, I actually went through a place ofkinda getting some type of anxiety at sometimes
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when I had to rest because I felt like there'ssomething that had to be done.
Yeah.
Okay.
I had five minutes.
Can I get up now?
Yeah.
It's crazy.
I think I did that for my mother, though,because my mother was like that.
She was very mom she was very high energy.
My dad was the rester, to say the least.
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He was he was the rester.
And my mom was like, she is pew, pew, pew, pew.
And I understand it because I'm the same way.
Like, there's work that needs to be done.
I don't understand why you have a moment toeven sit down.
But, like
But it's Those moments are very precious.
Yeah.
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And you learn to appreciate.
Yeah.
Yes.
You do.
And and and the other way around, it's like,I'm sure you get appreciated because we know
when something needs to be done, you're gonnaget it done.
You're not just wait for it.
So so there's there's victory in both of them.
Yeah.
Victory in both of them.
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I like that.
Mhmm.
It's victory in both of
them.
Mhmm.
But yes.
Yeah.
So I just I've just learned how to, in thisseason, I just have learned how to trust God
and take every walk and, embrace every victoryand every lesson.
I don't call them I try not to call them, youknow, try to get myself hung up on
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Yeah.
I use challenges now.
Yeah.
A challenge that has to be learned.
Yep.
That's right.
And you do.
You learn from it.
And I think we at least for me, I do notcelebrate enough victories.
You know, if I was to list all of the victoriesthrough the day, I would be very shocked at how
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many there are because I've, you know, I've gotmy gratitude journal.
And one day, I thought, well, I'm just gonna begrateful for the victories I had today.
And I start counting them up, and it's like,woah.
And I thought there was nothing.
And it's like, I better rethink this thisattitude I have and really be grateful for
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everything I have.
It's it's because anything can be taken awayfrom you in a second.
And it's like, want to be grateful for what Ihave.
So God will keep blessing me with what I have.
Because I think when I start becomingungrateful, taking advantage of it, he's gonna
say, oh, well, then you don't need thisanymore.
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Or he says, I'm gonna block you from it becauseyou are not in a good place, and you need to go
back to where I put you.
You know?
Stop wandering away.
Stop stop going off in another adventures.
It's like, this is where I want you to be.
Look at what's around you.
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And it's like and you get a whole differentattitude.
You know, we're talking about feelings andthoughts and actions, but you do.
With the attitude, it's like, wow.
This is really great.
So, you know, a day I may start up just feelingkind of down.
You know, as you get older, your emotionsreally change because it's like you're going
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through teenagehood again.
One day, you're up.
Next day, you're down.
Like, oh my goodness.
Not again.
But it's it's it's like, I I be down today.
I've got a whole life ahead of me.
Where's this excitement?
Sometimes you may not realize it, and then it'slike, okay.
Have you smiled today?
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Have have you laughed?
You know, I hear about laughter yoga where youjust start laughing.
That makes a difference.
Hi.
You talk about God having humor and beingfunny.
Oh, yeah.
He's very funny.
At how many benefits we get from when we laugh,even when we just smile.
Yeah.
I know.
Yes.
The smile on your face changes everything.
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And then you add a little bit of laughter tothat.
And and, yeah, there's I think God has a reallygood sense of humor.
Oh, I
know he do because he made me.
Yeah.
I know he do.
I said the other day, I put on, social media, Isaid, one prayer answered deserves a a victory
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of a thousand.
Oh, beautiful.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And we, and I just had thought about just yes.
Thank you.
You know?
The thank you.
To the point I was about to run matter of fact,I think I did run around the house.
Because it was such a because I know.
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You know what I mean?
When you know, you know.
Like Yeah.
That was a victory.
Even if the victory has not been all the waymanifested, you can still see it.
Oh, yeah.
And the fact that I could still see themanifestation, I know in my mind and in my
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heart and in my soul, I said, well, I knowyou're gonna do it then.
Because it was it's like going to a parent.
And, you know, you ask for something, and maybeyour brother or your sister got it first.
Oh.
But
just but because you know they got it, itempowers you to feel like, I know mine's is
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coming next.
That's how I felt.
I felt so happy about it.
I was so happy.
Like That's funny.
Because it was a prayer that still wasanswered.
It still was a gift that was given.
That's how I look at It still was a gift thatwas given.
That was made that the request was still madeknown.
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So to know that you heard me is where the joycomes from.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Definitely.
Yeah.
And and, you know, one of the things I've hadto learn and, unfortunately, sometimes I've got
a hard head, and it takes a while for me tolearn things.
But there is is joy in waiting.
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And why does god say to wait?
It may not have anything to do with you.
That's good.
He's working on this over here, or this personneeds to be doing this here, or something else
needs to happen there before you can get thegift.
It was it was just amazing.
And and I can do a real quick example of usgetting this house.
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We were going through houses and looking.
We found this.
This is the one I wanted.
Came off the market right away.
Realtor called and it's like, what happened?
And she goes, there's something wrong with theroof, and they don't know when they're gonna
put it back on the market.
Well, we're almost done looking.
It's like it's getting towards winter.
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You know, we've got to either get a house orget another year with the rental that we're at.
And it's like, we gotta do something.
So had a had another realtor in the samecompany, but another realtor took us around.
He goes, you know, I got this house I'd reallylike you to look at.
We come up here, and I'm driving here, and it'slike, this looks familiar.
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And we get into the driveway, and it's like, Irecognize this place.
Now out front that made me really realize I wasat the right place is they had this bull made
out of metal that was a barbecue grill.
Sounds really gross, but it was reallyadorable.
Somebody was just a craftsman.
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And so it's like, oh, I recognize this place.
Mhmm.
I wonder if it's the one I'm really thinking ofbecause when you're looking at houses, they
just all jumble up in your mind after a while.
So we go inside, and it was like, this is thehouse I wanted.
They got the roof fixed, and they were able toput it back on the market.
And I'm like, this is it.
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That is crazy.
We're not looking at nothing else, but we hadto wait until they could get the house prepared
for us to get it.
So thinking of something like that, it's like,okay, god.
I'll wait.
Because god says, okay.
You want this?
I really wanna give it to you, but I gotsomething way better for you.
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And it's gonna take a little bit, but thenyou're gonna get it, and you're gonna love it
so much more.
So when we get a yes or we get a no or we getsilence, the silence is the waiting, and the
silence is something else has to happen forthis to happen for you.
And
That's crazy that you said that.
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Okay.
Because one of the same things happened with myhouse.
Oh, wow.
I
we we came we had a we had a real estate agent.
We came to the house.
I'll never forget.
It was me, my partner, who's coming here to seethe, house.
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And, but it had a rose on it.
So my middle name is Rose.
I looked at it as like an emblem.
You know?
Like, that's my emblem.
But when they opened the door, the rentersopened the door, something in the house said,
mm-mm.
Oh.
Oh.
So I said so I said, no.
I said this I said, this is, something'ssomething's off.
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That's what I said.
I said, no.
I'm not going to, I said I said I told therenters.
I told, the the real estate agent.
I said, tell them we'll come back.
That's fine.
Yeah.
Couple weeks later matter of fact, a few weekslater, I'm outside.
I'm talking to my cousin.
I see the house on the market.
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What's what open house.
That's what it was.
It was an open house.
Okay.
I had fifteen minutes to like, thirty tofifteen minutes to get in, and I'm up there
yapping my gums about to miss it because I wastalking to my cousin.
Something said, Danielle, get off the phone.
So I got off the phone.
Came to the same exact house that first I waslike, tell them we'll come back because it was
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renters here.
Right.
Came back to the open house.
The owner was here.
He happened to be the, real also a real estateagent.
The house was totally renovated.
Bottom.
I seen first, it was not if I would have walkedin the first time, I would have never came
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back.
God knew I wouldn't came back for the openhouse.
The fact that the house because when I firstcame, it was carpet.
When I came back, it was floor to floor, harphardwood floor.
Oh.
Just Wow.
Like, you know, just a wall to wall.
That deal worked out so wonderfully.
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I tell people to we only we walked out theclosing with money.
We didn't even walked out we walked out theclosing with money.
I never even to the point I had, I I actuallyhad hired an attorney.
The attorney somehow how the originator did it,he made sure the attorney got the money within
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the deal.
Didn't have to pay the thousand dollars.
I need because I was, like, 900 or a thousanddollars.
Didn't have to pay anything.
I said, god.
You funny.
I said, you funny.
Because we had, like, a month and a half to getout the house.
Oh, wow.
Oh, wow.
At the apartment I'm sorry.
At the the apartment, I'm like, I don't wedon't have time.
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And I tell you, we walked when I walked inhere, my it's the crave I don't know.
I remember I wrote the agent saying, you'llknow when it's your house.
Yes.
Yes.
I knew it was my house.
I said, this is it.
I said, this is it.
Isn't that crazy?
Yeah.
I love it.
There we go.
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Two examples of something.
You just gotta wait.
Gotta wait on it.
It's coming.
Yeah.
I love that.
I love that.
Love that.
Oh, me too.
Me too.
That's wonderful.
Yes.
So, yeah, so there's been a lot of things Iwill say that I know that's coming in 2025.
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That's gonna blow up our mind.
I am I'm I'm not waiting for it, but I'm soanxious for it.
It's like, I can hardly wait to see whathappens because it is.
I I too.
I believe it's just gonna be something that wedon't even expect, something really good.
Elated about it too.
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Do you have let
me ask you a question, Ellis.
Is there some type of lighting in your house?
Like, what do you mean?
Like, do you have, like, a light that's, like,near you, like a lighting?
I got a great big light here.
A crazy old ring here.
Is while we're talking, there's certain timesthat you illuminate differently.
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You're not the first person to say that.
Okay.
I was like, Jesus, wait a minute.
Even before I got these lights, even when wewere in the rental place, I've had other people
say that to me.
That's interesting.
Jesus, help me, God.
Because That
light that shines out
of me.
And I'm being honest.
It's a different type of illumination.
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It's not a light that, you know I knew youdidn't have it.
I just had to ask because god knew I just hadto ask.
But the way it illuminates, you have to see itfor yourself.
I wish I could.
I even had somebody take a picture, you know,do a screenshot, and it's like, I don't see it.
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But, you know, lighthouse doesn't see the lightthat it's got shining out.
Yeah.
No.
That's different.
That's awesome.
And I'll be honest.
That's that is and I'm because I'm I was tryingto keep my mouth kinda, like, shut about it.
Okay.
I said I
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got a lot of people praying over me today.
A lot of people.
I'll tell you one thing.
He is there in the mist.
Yep.
Because that type of
light is different.
That's not a light that you could that's notnatural.
That's a supernatural light.
Sure.
Yeah.
Supernatural light.
When I was in Idaho, I was going through a lot.
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My husband had been diagnosed with PTSD.
There was a lot of stuff because of that thatwas going on that wasn't good.
And at one point, I said, I need to go take awalk.
Right.
And I might have said it pretty rough.
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Not as nice, but it's like, I'm going for awalk.
Don't bother me.
And so I went out walking, and and I'm mad, andI'm frustrated.
And it's like, ah, how do I get through this?
And how do I I still stay your child?
And what do I do?
And and I'm walking through, and and God's justletting me get it all out.
(44:31):
And then we're walking, and I'm finally calmingdown.
And I really start praying hard again.
And all of a sudden, as as strange as this isgonna sound, I could feel God walking here.
I could feel Jesus walking here, and I felt thespirit around us.
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And it's like, it's all gonna be okay.
That was beautiful.
I don't I I believe you brought it.
Because that light is real.
No.
I believe I I I am one because my eyes haveseen a lot of supernatural things.
Oh, wow.
Nice.
It's some some of them are nice.
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Some of them aren't.
Because what you see some some some of thelight you see, some of the dark you see.
I I remember when I wanted to learn aboutangels.
I got a book, fabulous book.
It's called angels among us by Rhodes, and Ican't think of his first name.
And he's talking about kids that are in ahospital because they're severely ill.
(45:38):
Mhmm.
And sometimes the kids say, I see black angels,and they scare me.
And sometimes they see white angels, and theymake me feel safe.
So, you know, there's there's stuff going on.
Stories I've heard of missionaries in otherplaces where evil is just gonna come.
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The, you know, the soldiers or whatever theyare gonna come.
They're gonna gonna murder everybody in theschoolhouse, everybody in the village.
And they come again, and nothing happens.
And they come again and nothing happens.
And the one missionary at this one particulartime had had a few months later saw one of the
(46:22):
guys that used to be a part of of that,whatever it is Mhmm.
Warriors that now it changed or something.
And he goes, why didn't you guys ever attackus?
We saw you come and then you'd leave.
And he goes, we couldn't because of all thesoldiers dressed in white around you.
(46:43):
And they're like, okay.
You know, supernatural.
Like Elijah says, open their eyes so they cansee that you're there so they're not afraid.
And the men's eyes were opened, and they sawall of the the angels that were there to battle
for him.
And, you know, we what's the verse?
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Our battle is not with flesh.
It's with with spiritual powers.
Principality of the air.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And and, you know, there's too many people whosee things that are different.
That's why I wrote the book, and and it's ananthology book, a collaboration of modern day
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miracles experienced by ordinary people.
Because I wanted people to know that miraclesstill do happen today, and they don't happen to
people who are pious or who are very spiritualor anything.
They happen to Right.
Ordinary people.
Yeah.
All the time.
You talk to nurses.
You talk to doctors.
You wanna find out about miracles.
(47:46):
Talk to them how how things happen that nevershould happen.
It's just crazy.
And the stories that are in that book areamazing.
Yeah.
They're just amazing stories.
And I talk about the time that my daughter andI are coming back.
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We're at at a event.
We were having a good time, and we're at thisfour way stop.
And I hear the truck.
I see the truck, but I figure he's gonna stop.
You know, they always stop there.
And it sounds to me like he's slowing down.
But I think what I interpreted this is where wego about so many people see something, but I
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think what I interpreted was him slowing down,was him actually speeding up.
And Wow.
Expecting him to stop, I put on the gas, go,and all of a sudden, my daughter's I don't know
if she said something or if I looked and sawit, but this is her window and the front of the
truck is right there.
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And all of a sudden, the truck is down there.
We're over here, and it's like we turned intovapor and just weaved in and out of each other.
Because there is no way that truck being thatclose.
And we're in a little jet little Jeep.
You know?
Mhmm.
No pop on it.
I believe it.
And and we're clear over here, and I stopped.
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The truck hit his brakes.
He could see the marks on the road.
Wow.
And and we're both sitting there like, whatjust happened?
And what'd you do?
Nobody got hurt.
You can't go out and exchange anything.
Why?
Nothing happened.
But it was just it's like,
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you know,
God God with you.
And and I for a long time, I thought, you know,my daughter hadn't been with me.
I wondered if I would be here or not because Ihave seen the spirit over her in several
situations.
Mhmm.
And and I've seen it with my other kids too.
(49:56):
But anytime her and I are together on a roadtrip or in a car, there's you just okay.
What's gonna happen this time, Lord?
It's just kind of funny.
Yeah.
It's it's just amazing, but there's there's toomuch evidence to show that that there isn't a
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supernatural world out there because there is.
Yeah.
Mhmm.
Oh, no.
I know it to be true.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
That's interesting you saw that light.
It's like, I can't?
Okay.
Yeah.
No.
I I I know.
No.
I I saw it.
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I saw it.
I saw it.
Okay.
Well, we should finish up here and and show meyour book again.
I I love that title.
I love the cover on it.
It's just powerful.
Can you see I'm not that dark place.
Right there.
Yeah.
So where where can we get the book?
You can, pick it up.
(50:58):
Amazon.com.
You can always email me at speak@Dlosscode.comif you also want a copy.
I'm in New Jersey, but for those that areworldwide, Amazon.com.
You can go on there and see it.
And and, actually, you know, write out a reviewas well.
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And that book right there is a thirty one daydevotional journal.
So however ever you possibly may be, you don'thave to start from the beginning.
You can start wherever that person or thatindividual may be dealing with whatever they're
dealing with and journal out the emotion, andand you're gonna have to sit in it.
Unfortunately fortunately, but unfortunately,it's not always going to feel good to sit in in
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some of the things that we have to come out of,but you're going to feel better.
Yeah.
We get free.
Yeah.
And and just come back to this podcast andlisten to DL talk about it.
And and Yes.
It'll be okay.
You're gonna get out of it.
Love it, Ellis.
I love this time.
I love it.
Oh, this was so organic.
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So much.
Yeah.
This was was very unusual, but it was great.
Yeah.
It was very unusual.
Necessary.
Alright.
Thank you for being Thank
you for having me.
I appreciate you so much.
Thank you for having me.
Anytime.
Alrighty.
Have a great one.
Bye bye.
Thank you for joining us.
We'll see you next time on reading between thewords.
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