July 9, 2025 • 33 mins
Nicole Harvick shares her journey from an unexpected mishap with a bull to joining The Change book project. She discusses collaborative writing, balancing responsibilities, and writing for her grandchildren. Nicole emphasizes writing as a healing tool for toxic relationships and personal burdens. She explores anthology benefits, storytelling challenges, and draws inspiration from Les Brown. The episode covers project completion, AI in writing, and overcoming fear in speaking. Nicole introduces a new book idea inspired by 'Wisdom on the Front Porch' and reflects on technology's role in communication. It concludes with reflections, future plans, and a call to action.
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This is your first time On this episode, Iactually get interviewed by Nicole Harvey from
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the book, The Change.
What a great interview.
Let's get started.
Good
morning, everyone.
Happy Monday.
As you know, this is the day of the week thatwe interview our amazing author authors that
are in the change book, and this is the changebook international podcast.
I am Nicole Harvick.
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I am your host.
And today, we have another amazing author, andit's Ellis Kirkpatrick.
So, Ellis, welcome to the show.
Hi.
Welcome.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Glad to be here.
I am I
am very glad that you're here because she toldme about a mishap they had with a bull.
So we're very, very lucky to be talking to hertoday.
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So tell us why you chose the change book.
I actually didn't know anything about it beforesomeone mentioned it to me.
And I thought, that sounds like a really goodproject.
I like working with other authors, doing acollaborative book because when you're done,
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you've got this amazing book with all thesedifferent ideas and minds, and and everybody's
just coming together on, you know, a a commontopic or a common theme, but everybody's so
unique and individual that they get to sharewhat it means to them.
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And I think that's that's the best part.
You know, we're giving the reader somethingmore than than a book about one thing.
It's like like a lot of little booksaltogether.
It's just great.
And and,
you know, I because I've done several before Idid the change book.
The change book was my last one.
But but you meet so many people.
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Mhmm.
And I like that part as well that you kind ofbond while you're doing the book and while, you
know, you're getting it published and then thebestseller.
Now how many have you written other than thechange book?
Oh, I have 37 books right now, and 28 arenumber one international best selling books.
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Wow.
Now how in the world do you find time to do howdid you find time to do that many books?
Because I've got a list here of other thingsyou do so we know you're not just an author.
Yeah.
I don't know.
You know, for me, this is is not something I'vedone since childhood.
I mean, I always liked the idea of writing abook or write white poetry, and I submitted,
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you know, when I was in school to, you know,local magazine or local article, and and it was
kinda cool to be published.
But to write a whole book, I would get oneparagraph, and that's, like, had everything in
it I wanted to say.
And it's like, well, that's not enough.
That's not quite a book.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So for me, I started out just telling mygrandchildren stories, and then they wanted to
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hear the same story again.
And it's like, well, I just made it up.
I have no idea what I said.
You know?
Two weeks later, I don't know what it was.
So I started using nursery rhymes that I grewup with.
Only I would substitute their names for andsome things that they like.
And then it was easy to remember what I toldthem.
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And when we moved away from them because myhusband's job, then I would try to tell him on
the phone.
It just wasn't the same.
So I started writing them down.
And then I thought, oh, wouldn't it be fun todo one of those little Vistaprint, you know,
shutter flag books and put my own pictures withit?
Because I I take lots of photographs, thousandsof them.
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And, so I did that, and they loved it.
They made great gifts.
You know?
And please, you know, take this and use foryour own families.
And and they do.
They make great gifts.
I would make one copy for me so we could readthem together over the phone or or you know?
Because it's not always possible to do videochats.
Most of us live in rural areas.
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Oh, wow.
Yeah.
But I think you make time for what's importantfor you, You know, as as a a coach and
publisher myself, helping people get theirbooks written, the biggest thing I hear is I
don't have time, and I don't know where tostart.
Well, we talk it through.
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We find time, and that's you need to make surethat, set it as a priority.
It's like, okay.
I have fifteen minutes every Monday to writeand just you know, you'd be amazed at what you
can get done in fifteen minutes.
But it's it's just find finding where the timeis, making it a priority in your life, and and
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it's really not that hard.
You know?
Get a
hold it means yeah.
If it means something to you, you want to getit out.
You know, one of my my biggest healing journeyswas was kind of coming face to face with my
divorce and writing about that.
Now it wasn't a negative way, but it was anempowering way to make and it kind of it kind
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of changed it, you know, how I looked at itfrom then on.
You know, I reframed what what I thought itwas, and it became something entirely
different.
Have you ever found that before?
Oh, yeah.
I was invited to write in back to back just theway that that it happened, and I don't think
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anything is a coincidence.
I think things happen for a reason.
And so I was invited in this one book, and itwas talking about the toxic relationships, what
to do, and all of that.
But I didn't wanna give power to the negativethat happened.
So when I wrote, I wrote about things likethese were signs that I ignored or that I
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didn't realize that's what they were.
And these were ways that I was able to breakout of that, how it happened.
And so I tell my story without actually reallyrevealing a lot because everybody has great
imaginations.
You know?
This and and I think what people really lookfor are how is this gonna help me?
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How is this gonna get me to where I want to be?
So I kinda looked at it from the readers.
Oh, interesting.
Point where where they would be.
And so both of those books opened up this wholeworld to me, and and I didn't realize that I
was still letting some of the things thathappened.
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I was carrying it on my shoulders, and ithappened to be that we finally found our own
place here to live.
So we were hauling everything from Idaho downto Texas, and we had two big U Hauls totally
full.
So I'm driving mine.
As I'm driving, I'm thinking about the book,you know, what to do.
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And it's like I just hear this voice say, whyare you carrying this burden on you?
It does not belong to you.
Wow.
And it's like, I didn't realize I was just.
Yeah.
It's like, okay.
So that puts a different twist on things.
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And it really is a way to free yourself ofthings that maybe you didn't realize you were
carrying.
As the lead author in the the first or thesecond book said, you know, you're peeling off
layers like an onion.
You're just peeling off layers, and you may notrealize there's still another layer to peel
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off.
And it's not that it's it's a bad thing to havethese layers.
They're just you know, it's just a process thatyou go through.
And, when I left that relationship, I left.
I didn't wanna stay in it.
I didn't wanna keep thinking about it.
I didn't wanna keep cashing it over.
In fact, at the the, women's, shelter that Iwas going to for counseling at the time, they
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the gal said, I don't understand how you can dothis.
And I thought, okay.
What am I doing now?
Because Doing what?
Been here for a month, and you have made somuch progress.
I've got women that have been here ten, twentyyears that are, like, one day apart from when
they first started.
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And I said, well, I don't really know theanswer to that.
I just know I don't want to stay where I'm at.
And that's really what the key is.
You want to get you want to move forward.
You don't want to keep all of that going on inyou.
So you need to find ways to get through it andkeep going.
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And yeah.
You know?
And then there were things I didn't realize Ineeded.
I didn't know that I needed to heal myself fromwhat had gone on.
Mhmm.
You know, nobody really talked about it whenwhen when I went through my divorce and stuff.
People were just starting to really open upabout toxic relationships and all of this other
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stuff.
It just wasn't there.
But but the great thing about anthologies isyou get to read all these other amazing
stories, and it opens up your eyes to howothers look at things and to what's possible
out there.
And maybe there's something you didn'trecognize.
And that goes for anything, not justrelationships like, you know, the giving book
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you see behind me here, you know, alreadystarting volume five.
This is an anthology of a different kind towhere artists, photographers, illustrators, you
write memoirs.
There's stories you've always wanna tell, butyou don't have enough for full book yourself.
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Or maybe you just wanna see what it's like towrite in a book and see if it's something you
wanna pursue.
My first three books actually have threeauthors, and all of them and they are now
writing their own book.
In fact, one of them went on to write her ownanthology.
And Oh, interesting.
Yeah.
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It's just been an incredible experience to openup doors for other people, to give them a
chance to experience something becausesometimes we really wanna do something, but we
don't wanna take that huge risk to do it.
And so here's a way to kind of dip your toe inthe water, so to speak.
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Right.
And
find out if it's something that you reallylike.
And I try to make it an enjoyable experiencebecause there's too many out there that don't
make it enjoyable.
Yeah.
I've had that as well.
But, you know, one of the things I realized isI when I first got divorced, I was very
embarrassed by it because there was cheating onon his end, and I didn't I was like, I well, I
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can't talk about that.
I don't want anybody to know that.
Yeah.
And and then I I started realizing that, well,first of all, you never know who you're going
to impact with your story.
Absolutely.
And help and I thought if if I can help someonewith my story, it would be selfish of me not
to.
So that's kinda how I got over Yeah.
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Over the hump.
And I I had a lady.
This was this was years ago, you know, when Iwas in Arizona.
But she said, did you ever think you'd be aninspiration to someone?
And I said, I I I didn't even think I could getthis out there to anybody.
So thank you so much for that.
That means so much.
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But but, no, that that never even crossed mymind, something like that.
And, you know, it's it's amazing when we writesomething.
We really don't know how it's going to impactanybody else.
And for a lot of women, it's terrifying to telltheir story because those people are still
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alive, and they're gonna read it at
a Especially if you have kids too.
You have to Yes.
Work around that.
Absolutely.
And I think maybe that's the biggest reason whyI haven't, you know, just written a book about
my story is, one, I don't wanna give it theenergy because Yeah.
There was not really much good about it exceptI've got these wonderful children and
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grandchildren now.
But I don't have permission for my kids to tellthe story, and I have to tell part of their
story in order to tell mine.
And it's not fair to do that to them.
So it's like, there's lots of other things towrite about.
I don't have to write about that.
You know?
There's more to me than this one incident thathappened.
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And, you know, Les Brown, wonderful, wonderfulman.
He writes the forward to the change books.
Yes.
I was in a meeting with him when I firststarted getting into this world of
entrepreneurship.
He said everybody has a story, and I thought, Idon't have a story.
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I don't have this traumatic event that changedmy life.
I don't have have this illness that happened.
I don't have this that happened.
And and it's like the more I thought about it,I began to realize I don't have one huge story.
I have a lot of little stories that make up mylife, and those are amazing stories.
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And when I start talking to somebody, you know,something will trigger, oh, yeah.
I remember, you know, when this happened, whenI was a kid or recently when I got knocked down
by the bull.
You know?
Yeah.
It was I
will wait for that story.
Oh, that could I can and I know when you toldme that I'm like, you're kidding.
Right?
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Coming through someone who never has lived on afarm.
Yeah.
And it's and it's, usually, you do everythingyou can to avoid, you know, being around a
bull.
We need bulls so we can have calves so we cancontinue the line of it.
But, yeah, you just kinda need to set things upa little different than what we were trying.
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And that's like
You know what?
And it's it's just everything else.
You live and learn.
Right?
And and that's Hopefully, you live.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You did.
Thank goodness.
Because Yes.
I wouldn't have to get another guess.
No.
That's right.
You
look.
I'm glad you're here.
Now you talked about doing coaching as well.
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Are you a writing coach?
Yes.
I I do.
And I found out that being a writing coach, Ialso became a life coach.
Oh, okay.
How did that transform into that?
Yeah.
But there's a lot of limiting beliefs that wehave.
And, thankfully, to all of my coaches and mymentors and and, you know, reading books by,
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like, Jim Rohn and Bob Proctor and NapoleonHill and Earl Nightingale and and all of those,
there's just so much to learn about our ownbrains and how they work.
And and hearing people say, oh, I can't dothis, or this is frustrating me.
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And it's like, well, okay.
Let's just stop.
Why is the story frustrating you?
What's happening there?
Is this something that's going on at home sothey don't have the energy to put into their
story, or is it something in the story thatisn't quite right?
And I find that writers, when they have ablock, when something they just can't seem to
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get past this this one thing to get to the nextchapter, and they know what they wanna write.
But it's like I says, okay.
So let's read it.
Let's find out what's going on.
And a lot of times just taking that step back,they realize, I didn't realize this one little
thing that I thought didn't matter was actuallystopping me from moving forward.
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And so, you know, you just talk about it.
I have a a client right now.
She's so sweet.
She is writing her first children's book, andshe found out she doesn't like writing
children's books.
I was like, that's okay.
Yeah.
You found out.
You know?
She wants to finish it.
We're gonna finish it, and that's a good thing.
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But but she found out it's not what she reallywanted to do.
And so sometimes as you're going through thisprocess, it's like, okay.
I find out I don't like this, but that's okaybecause now I found out what I really do like,
and you keep going.
Interesting.
Yeah.
So then she'll just pivot when she's done withthis to Yeah.
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Yeah.
And that's the key thing right there is finishfinish even though this isn't what you like,
finish it up.
And sometimes that's really hard to do.
That's why you need a coach.
You need someone to be accountable for, someoneto help you finish up when you don't want to.
Because, otherwise, I think what happens is wetend to leave things unfinished, and we don't
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want those open loops.
We wanna close those loops.
So, you know, if nothing else, get aghostwriter and have them finish it.
But, you know, finish it.
And ghostwriters are great.
I just fucking with one this morning.
Yeah.
And do you know wonderful.
Do you ever advise people to use, like, chatGPT or NEAI, or do you have them just try to
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formulate it in their head?
I haven't had that come up.
Now I will say with my own experience, Ithought, I have this really great idea for a
children's book.
I'm just gonna test it out and ask chat GP towrite this children's book for me.
You know, there's not that many words dependingon the age of the children that you're writing
for.
And so I put down the idea.
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I told the things I wanted to be in the book,you know, how I wanted the story to flow, what
I want it to be like.
And I and came up with this great story.
I didn't like it, though.
Oh, really?
I like the story.
It was a good story, but it didn't have thatthat personal heart in it.
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That's what
I was
just gonna say.
GPT has no heart.
And and, you know, that's our new truth center.
That's where everything needs to flow through.
So I wondered about that.
Yeah.
I mean, it's great for certain things.
But you we And it can help you.
You know, I I have a double check my grammarand my spelling.
I say, don't change anything.
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Just check the spelling and grammar.
And if there's something that needs changed,ask me first.
So, you know, you have to give it instructions.
You gotta remember, it's it's really easy toforget that it's not another person you're
talking to because, you know, you be polite toit.
You you treat it as if it was another person,and you have this interaction going on.
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But at some point, you realize, yeah, you cantell this is just all computer generated.
And it's too easy to let the computer do it andsay, oh, yeah.
That's good.
Put your name on it.
Do you really want your name on something likethat?
I mean, it's it's great to have it for advice.
You know?
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I'm trying to figure out how to word this.
I don't know what to do and ask me somequestions.
You know?
Maybe, you know, this is the I want this wordto really have power, but I can't get it to
work with this.
So there's there's ways you can use it to helpenhance what you're doing, and it's kinda like
makeup for women.
And I'm sorry I don't have any on today.
I'm not You look gorgeous.
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But it's you know, the makeup is to enhance thebeauty that's already there.
And so chat, GPT, AI, all of that is there tohelp enhance what you're already doing.
If you want something to write it for you, hirea ghostwriter.
They're really great at what they do.
They come up with something that's amazing, andit's in your voice and how you would say it.
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And and, you know, everything.
Tools, ChatGPT AI is a tool.
Tools have their use.
You want a hammer to pound in a nail.
You don't wanna hammer to pound in a screw.
Get a screwdriver.
You know?
You have to use the right tool for what you'redoing.
That's a great analogy.
Yeah.
Great analogy.
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Now, also, you're with everything else you do,you are an inspirational speaker.
Yeah.
I love to
see I can wait.
As we're talking, I can see why you are.
What do you have one one one certain thing youtalk about, or is it, you know, open ended?
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I do, and someone pointed it out to me.
And it's like, again, you know, that moment'slike, You're right.
I do that.
So I talk about hope.
Oh.
And I do it in a huge variety of ways, and andI don't even realize that I do it.
It's just who I am.
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I've got a talk coming up this Saturday.
Diana is is just amazing.
She asked me to, you know, almost six monthsago to be a part of this talk on Saturday, and
it's talking about faith over fear.
And I had this great talk all laid out.
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It was just wonderful.
Told some of my history and all of this, andand I'm like, that just doesn't cut it.
It's just not right.
So, you know, wait till the last minute.
I don't usually do that.
I like to have everything ahead of time.
But part of of me doing things ahead of timemeans I've got time to go back and look at it.
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And if I need to change it, I can.
So I did.
So I've changed the talk I was going to gowith, and now I have this amazing story.
I absolutely love it.
It's just wonderful.
But it is talking about stepping through yourfear, and that fear is there.
It could you know, I personally look at fear asa hologram.
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It's there.
It's big.
It's in your face.
It's just terrifying sometimes, but it's ahologram.
You just Yeah.
Step right through it, and it's gone.
You know?
I believe that as well.
I'm plugging.
It's not there.
Yeah.
And I believe it's just part of the matrixwe're in.
And, you know, if you if you create fear, youkind of control the outcome.
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You know?
People just get
to me, it's like, you know, it happens, wenothing we can do about it.
Why be afraid of it?
You know, you sit there and
just sit
in your house because you're afraid.
Good.
Yeah.
So I I actually use the analogy of what justhappened.
You know?
There I am.
Every time I go outside, I look to see if thebull is looking for me.
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Seeking
you out.
That's right.
It's like, you know, and if it looks at me,okay.
I'm going back in the house, and it's like, youknow, that's that's no way to live.
I went out to the pasture.
The bull's on on across a second fence, can'tget to me, but I was terrified.
Mean, I had true panic.
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And I'm clutching my chest, holding on to myheart, trying not to freak out.
And I'm talking with my husband because thebull knocked my glasses off.
I've got these these spears that are allscratched up.
It's like, we can't find my glasses.
We don't know where they went.
They went flying somewhere.
But, but I actually had to come in the houseand close the door, and I'm sitting on my chair
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just holding me, trying to calm me down.
And I'm thinking this is ridiculous becausewhat it does is it freezes my power to think
and to be intuitive to know what to do.
You know?
So if the bull comes at me, what am I gonna do?
Just freeze and fall on the groundautomatically?
Yeah.
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No.
That's that's that's a perfect way to put ittoo.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I thought, why am I letting this fearcripple me, cause me to have this panic attack,
which actually does damage inside of my body,keeping me from thinking clearly and being able
to use my brain when I need it.
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And, you know, when people panic, they don'tthink clearly.
They they can't stop and say, alright.
What's the best course of action?
You know, that bull's looking at me.
He's getting ready to charge me.
I'm thinking, okay.
What's the best course of action?
I wanna go to the fence and jump out of out ofthe little corral that we're in.
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But if I do that, I'm gonna be full on straightin front of them.
And if I step to the left too far, I'm gonnaget hit with his horn.
But I don't wanna get gored because I know thatcan be really bad.
So as he's taking you know?
And it's all going so fast because someone likea couple of steps before he gets to me.
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He was that close.
And I just kinda shifted a little bit to theleft, so I got caught between his head and his
horn right there.
And even though it hurt and it hit me, I knowit was a better choice to make.
Now if I've been panicking, who knows what Iwould have done?
Maybe I would have tried running, and thatwould have been really bad.
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Maybe Yeah.
You know, I would have stepped right in frontof him.
Who knows what I would have done?
I think that could be your next book.
How I survived the horns.
I told my husband I'm getting him a T shirtthat that has me, you know, cartoon of holding
up a bull with his its feet tied up on thisrope and saying, I saved my husband from a bull
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attack.
Yeah.
I'm a hero.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And, you know, I know we're getting towards theend of our time, but before we I want you to
talk about your podcast wisdom from the frontporch.
It sounds very interesting to me.
It is.
It's actually wisdom on the front porch.
On the patio.
A lot of people help me get the right wordingfor the title.
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And I love front porches.
You know, you have great conversations with it.
Absolutely.
It's almost a thing of the past, and it makesme so sad.
Yeah.
And it's like and I had to explain this tosomeone in The UK because they don't have front
porches.
And they go and I could see the confusion.
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I says, let me tell you what front porches arehere in America.
This is where everybody sits.
You can see what's going on in the world aroundyou.
This is where you sit with your grandma andshell peas or or peel peaches or apples for
making pies later.
This is where everybody gathers to haveconversations.
You know, when you come to visit relatives,you're on the front porch, and you're talking
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about all kinds of things.
You hear the stories of your moms and and dadsand aunts and uncles as they grew up and what
they went through and the decisions and thechoices they made.
You know?
And and front porches don't have to be anactual porch.
It can be standing in line at the grocery storetalking to the UPS man that brings you the
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package and you ask him how his day going andyou get to talking.
It's just where you're sharing ideas andsharing that communication, which I think a lot
of us are starting to lack now.
We don't really know how to talk with eachother and what to say.
You and you don't have to get in deepconversations.
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Maybe you're just sitting on the porch playingyour instruments together.
You know?
And and right now, you and I, we're sitting onour our front porch in the podcast, you know,
talking about it and sharing about it.
And it's easy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I was actually gonna do a book calledwisdom on the front porch, and I just had the
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title.
The cover didn't have anything else.
And it turned into a podcast, and it's turnedinto a magazine.
And so it's there to help entrepreneurs helpother entrepreneurs on their journey, giving
you real tools, getting into the meat andpotatoes.
Well, why does this work and this doesn't work?
How can can my journey help anotherentrepreneur on their journey?
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And I love where it goes, and I meet the mostamazing people.
I met Matthew Lesko who wanted to be on mypodcast, which when I realized who it was, it's
like, oh, are you kidding me?
Because I used to watch him on TV when mybabies were little.
And he would talk about how the government hasall this money and you can get you know, I've
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got this big, thick, big book.
Now it's all on the Internet, so you don't haveto do that great big book.
But it's there to help people.
You know, if you've got mold in your home, thisis where you can go to to help get rid of it
without having to clean out your bank account.
And Awesome.
I need to freeze out.
I think
I got mold.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Matthew, let's go.
Look him up.
Okay.
No.
That that's amazing.
I mean and it and it makes so much sensebecause we're just, you know, we've we've lost
from the time we started on the phones, I mean,you you go to a restaurant and people are you
know, their phone is right right away.
You know, I never let my kids bring it to thetable ever.
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You know?
It's a, oh, no.
No.
No.
No.
You know?
And, of course, they ate really fast and gotup.
Tried.
I tried.
But it it makes a difference.
It's amazing.
I was just talking to someone who was on awomen's retreat, and she said everybody had to
put their phone in the basket.
It's there for emergencies.
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If somebody's trying to get ahold of you orsomething, it's there.
But they didn't have their phones for the wholeweekend, and they said, oh, it was incredible.
Absolutely incredible to unplug.
I didn't realize how much we needed to do that.
I'd love to hear you.
Idea.
I know there's there's some churches.
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It's like, your phone is here.
You pick it up after service.
You know, some of us you know, I use my phonefor my Bible, so I don't have to carry my
Bible, and they're with me, and it's on there.
But, sometimes they're distracting.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Certainly.
Side note here.
I remember when our our watches started beepingall the time, and you'd be in church, and all
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of sudden all these watches would go off,especially at noon.
Yeah.
Let's go.
I know.
That's so funny.
Every night.
That that is true.
But you know what?
This has been an amazing conversation with you,and I've abs you know, that's what I love about
being the host of this is I learn from everysingle person.
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And it's it's an absolutely amazing way tostart my Monday.
So I wanna thank you for being here, of course,especially after your trauma and drama.
But you you you know, I want everybody to reachout to Ellis because she's got so much wisdom
and knowledge.
And we do have some links in her bio.
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I would love for you to get ahold of her.
And, Ellis, thank you so much for being here.
I appreciate your stories.
I appreciate you.
You're welcome.
Honor.
One of the things I love to do is is keep upwith the author.
So down the road, I would love to get ahold ofyou and have you do another one and just to see
where you're at.
And and that helps people understand how thechange book, how we work as a collective.
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I love that.
Oh, yeah.
It's it's just the best thing.
If anybody's thinking about writing, you know,the change book is a great way to do that.
I love that you do more than just, okay.
You write a book and let's go on, but you havethe website.
You've got Facebook where everybody connects,and you can talk with each other.
And and it's just you know, Jim and Jim havegreat advice, and and I love working with you,
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Nicole.
It's just amazing.
You are so sweet.
I appreciate that.
So well, you take care, and everybody, pleasereach out to this amazing lady.
She has got some knowledge that knocks yoursocks off.
So, everyone, thank you for being here, and Iwill be back next Monday with another amazing
author.
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Take care, everyone.
I hope today's conversation on reading betweenthe words gave you a glimpse into the heart
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If you love this episode, join theconversation, share it with a friend, leave a
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Go to lskirkpatrick.com/podcast.
This is your first time On this episode, Iactually get interviewed by Nicole Harvey from
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the book, The Change.
What a great interview.
Let's get started.
Good
morning, everyone.
Happy Monday.
As you know, this is the day of the week thatwe interview our amazing author authors that
are in the change book, and this is the changebook international podcast.
I am Nicole Harvick.
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I am your host.
And today, we have another amazing author, andit's Ellis Kirkpatrick.
So, Ellis, welcome to the show.
Hi.
Welcome.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Glad to be here.
I am I
am very glad that you're here because she toldme about a mishap they had with a bull.
So we're very, very lucky to be talking to hertoday.
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So tell us why you chose the change book.
I actually didn't know anything about it beforesomeone mentioned it to me.
And I thought, that sounds like a really goodproject.
I like working with other authors, doing acollaborative book because when you're done,
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you've got this amazing book with all thesedifferent ideas and minds, and and everybody's
just coming together on, you know, a a commontopic or a common theme, but everybody's so
unique and individual that they get to sharewhat it means to them.
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And I think that's that's the best part.
You know, we're giving the reader somethingmore than than a book about one thing.
It's like like a lot of little booksaltogether.
It's just great.
And and,
you know, I because I've done several before Idid the change book.
The change book was my last one.
But but you meet so many people.
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Mhmm.
And I like that part as well that you kind ofbond while you're doing the book and while, you
know, you're getting it published and then thebestseller.
Now how many have you written other than thechange book?
Oh, I have 37 books right now, and 28 arenumber one international best selling books.
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Wow.
Now how in the world do you find time to do howdid you find time to do that many books?
Because I've got a list here of other thingsyou do so we know you're not just an author.
Yeah.
I don't know.
You know, for me, this is is not something I'vedone since childhood.
I mean, I always liked the idea of writing abook or write white poetry, and I submitted,
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you know, when I was in school to, you know,local magazine or local article, and and it was
kinda cool to be published.
But to write a whole book, I would get oneparagraph, and that's, like, had everything in
it I wanted to say.
And it's like, well, that's not enough.
That's not quite a book.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So for me, I started out just telling mygrandchildren stories, and then they wanted to
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hear the same story again.
And it's like, well, I just made it up.
I have no idea what I said.
You know?
Two weeks later, I don't know what it was.
So I started using nursery rhymes that I grewup with.
Only I would substitute their names for andsome things that they like.
And then it was easy to remember what I toldthem.
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And when we moved away from them because myhusband's job, then I would try to tell him on
the phone.
It just wasn't the same.
So I started writing them down.
And then I thought, oh, wouldn't it be fun todo one of those little Vistaprint, you know,
shutter flag books and put my own pictures withit?
Because I I take lots of photographs, thousandsof them.
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And, so I did that, and they loved it.
They made great gifts.
You know?
And please, you know, take this and use foryour own families.
And and they do.
They make great gifts.
I would make one copy for me so we could readthem together over the phone or or you know?
Because it's not always possible to do videochats.
Most of us live in rural areas.
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Oh, wow.
Yeah.
But I think you make time for what's importantfor you, You know, as as a a coach and
publisher myself, helping people get theirbooks written, the biggest thing I hear is I
don't have time, and I don't know where tostart.
Well, we talk it through.
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We find time, and that's you need to make surethat, set it as a priority.
It's like, okay.
I have fifteen minutes every Monday to writeand just you know, you'd be amazed at what you
can get done in fifteen minutes.
But it's it's just find finding where the timeis, making it a priority in your life, and and
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it's really not that hard.
You know?
Get a
hold it means yeah.
If it means something to you, you want to getit out.
You know, one of my my biggest healing journeyswas was kind of coming face to face with my
divorce and writing about that.
Now it wasn't a negative way, but it was anempowering way to make and it kind of it kind
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of changed it, you know, how I looked at itfrom then on.
You know, I reframed what what I thought itwas, and it became something entirely
different.
Have you ever found that before?
Oh, yeah.
I was invited to write in back to back just theway that that it happened, and I don't think
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anything is a coincidence.
I think things happen for a reason.
And so I was invited in this one book, and itwas talking about the toxic relationships, what
to do, and all of that.
But I didn't wanna give power to the negativethat happened.
So when I wrote, I wrote about things likethese were signs that I ignored or that I
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didn't realize that's what they were.
And these were ways that I was able to breakout of that, how it happened.
And so I tell my story without actually reallyrevealing a lot because everybody has great
imaginations.
You know?
This and and I think what people really lookfor are how is this gonna help me?
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How is this gonna get me to where I want to be?
So I kinda looked at it from the readers.
Oh, interesting.
Point where where they would be.
And so both of those books opened up this wholeworld to me, and and I didn't realize that I
was still letting some of the things thathappened.
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I was carrying it on my shoulders, and ithappened to be that we finally found our own
place here to live.
So we were hauling everything from Idaho downto Texas, and we had two big U Hauls totally
full.
So I'm driving mine.
As I'm driving, I'm thinking about the book,you know, what to do.
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And it's like I just hear this voice say, whyare you carrying this burden on you?
It does not belong to you.
Wow.
And it's like, I didn't realize I was just.
Yeah.
It's like, okay.
So that puts a different twist on things.
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And it really is a way to free yourself ofthings that maybe you didn't realize you were
carrying.
As the lead author in the the first or thesecond book said, you know, you're peeling off
layers like an onion.
You're just peeling off layers, and you may notrealize there's still another layer to peel
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off.
And it's not that it's it's a bad thing to havethese layers.
They're just you know, it's just a process thatyou go through.
And, when I left that relationship, I left.
I didn't wanna stay in it.
I didn't wanna keep thinking about it.
I didn't wanna keep cashing it over.
In fact, at the the, women's, shelter that Iwas going to for counseling at the time, they
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the gal said, I don't understand how you can dothis.
And I thought, okay.
What am I doing now?
Because Doing what?
Been here for a month, and you have made somuch progress.
I've got women that have been here ten, twentyyears that are, like, one day apart from when
they first started.
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And I said, well, I don't really know theanswer to that.
I just know I don't want to stay where I'm at.
And that's really what the key is.
You want to get you want to move forward.
You don't want to keep all of that going on inyou.
So you need to find ways to get through it andkeep going.
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And yeah.
You know?
And then there were things I didn't realize Ineeded.
I didn't know that I needed to heal myself fromwhat had gone on.
Mhmm.
You know, nobody really talked about it whenwhen when I went through my divorce and stuff.
People were just starting to really open upabout toxic relationships and all of this other
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stuff.
It just wasn't there.
But but the great thing about anthologies isyou get to read all these other amazing
stories, and it opens up your eyes to howothers look at things and to what's possible
out there.
And maybe there's something you didn'trecognize.
And that goes for anything, not justrelationships like, you know, the giving book
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you see behind me here, you know, alreadystarting volume five.
This is an anthology of a different kind towhere artists, photographers, illustrators, you
write memoirs.
There's stories you've always wanna tell, butyou don't have enough for full book yourself.
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Or maybe you just wanna see what it's like towrite in a book and see if it's something you
wanna pursue.
My first three books actually have threeauthors, and all of them and they are now
writing their own book.
In fact, one of them went on to write her ownanthology.
And Oh, interesting.
Yeah.
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It's just been an incredible experience to openup doors for other people, to give them a
chance to experience something becausesometimes we really wanna do something, but we
don't wanna take that huge risk to do it.
And so here's a way to kind of dip your toe inthe water, so to speak.
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Right.
And
find out if it's something that you reallylike.
And I try to make it an enjoyable experiencebecause there's too many out there that don't
make it enjoyable.
Yeah.
I've had that as well.
But, you know, one of the things I realized isI when I first got divorced, I was very
embarrassed by it because there was cheating onon his end, and I didn't I was like, I well, I
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can't talk about that.
I don't want anybody to know that.
Yeah.
And and then I I started realizing that, well,first of all, you never know who you're going
to impact with your story.
Absolutely.
And help and I thought if if I can help someonewith my story, it would be selfish of me not
to.
So that's kinda how I got over Yeah.
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Over the hump.
And I I had a lady.
This was this was years ago, you know, when Iwas in Arizona.
But she said, did you ever think you'd be aninspiration to someone?
And I said, I I I didn't even think I could getthis out there to anybody.
So thank you so much for that.
That means so much.
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But but, no, that that never even crossed mymind, something like that.
And, you know, it's it's amazing when we writesomething.
We really don't know how it's going to impactanybody else.
And for a lot of women, it's terrifying to telltheir story because those people are still
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alive, and they're gonna read it at
a Especially if you have kids too.
You have to Yes.
Work around that.
Absolutely.
And I think maybe that's the biggest reason whyI haven't, you know, just written a book about
my story is, one, I don't wanna give it theenergy because Yeah.
There was not really much good about it exceptI've got these wonderful children and
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grandchildren now.
But I don't have permission for my kids to tellthe story, and I have to tell part of their
story in order to tell mine.
And it's not fair to do that to them.
So it's like, there's lots of other things towrite about.
I don't have to write about that.
You know?
There's more to me than this one incident thathappened.
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And, you know, Les Brown, wonderful, wonderfulman.
He writes the forward to the change books.
Yes.
I was in a meeting with him when I firststarted getting into this world of
entrepreneurship.
He said everybody has a story, and I thought, Idon't have a story.
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I don't have this traumatic event that changedmy life.
I don't have have this illness that happened.
I don't have this that happened.
And and it's like the more I thought about it,I began to realize I don't have one huge story.
I have a lot of little stories that make up mylife, and those are amazing stories.
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And when I start talking to somebody, you know,something will trigger, oh, yeah.
I remember, you know, when this happened, whenI was a kid or recently when I got knocked down
by the bull.
You know?
Yeah.
It was I
will wait for that story.
Oh, that could I can and I know when you toldme that I'm like, you're kidding.
Right?
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Coming through someone who never has lived on afarm.
Yeah.
And it's and it's, usually, you do everythingyou can to avoid, you know, being around a
bull.
We need bulls so we can have calves so we cancontinue the line of it.
But, yeah, you just kinda need to set things upa little different than what we were trying.
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And that's like
You know what?
And it's it's just everything else.
You live and learn.
Right?
And and that's Hopefully, you live.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You did.
Thank goodness.
Because Yes.
I wouldn't have to get another guess.
No.
That's right.
You
look.
I'm glad you're here.
Now you talked about doing coaching as well.
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Are you a writing coach?
Yes.
I I do.
And I found out that being a writing coach, Ialso became a life coach.
Oh, okay.
How did that transform into that?
Yeah.
But there's a lot of limiting beliefs that wehave.
And, thankfully, to all of my coaches and mymentors and and, you know, reading books by,
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like, Jim Rohn and Bob Proctor and NapoleonHill and Earl Nightingale and and all of those,
there's just so much to learn about our ownbrains and how they work.
And and hearing people say, oh, I can't dothis, or this is frustrating me.
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And it's like, well, okay.
Let's just stop.
Why is the story frustrating you?
What's happening there?
Is this something that's going on at home sothey don't have the energy to put into their
story, or is it something in the story thatisn't quite right?
And I find that writers, when they have ablock, when something they just can't seem to
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get past this this one thing to get to the nextchapter, and they know what they wanna write.
But it's like I says, okay.
So let's read it.
Let's find out what's going on.
And a lot of times just taking that step back,they realize, I didn't realize this one little
thing that I thought didn't matter was actuallystopping me from moving forward.
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And so, you know, you just talk about it.
I have a a client right now.
She's so sweet.
She is writing her first children's book, andshe found out she doesn't like writing
children's books.
I was like, that's okay.
Yeah.
You found out.
You know?
She wants to finish it.
We're gonna finish it, and that's a good thing.
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But but she found out it's not what she reallywanted to do.
And so sometimes as you're going through thisprocess, it's like, okay.
I find out I don't like this, but that's okaybecause now I found out what I really do like,
and you keep going.
Interesting.
Yeah.
So then she'll just pivot when she's done withthis to Yeah.
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Yeah.
And that's the key thing right there is finishfinish even though this isn't what you like,
finish it up.
And sometimes that's really hard to do.
That's why you need a coach.
You need someone to be accountable for, someoneto help you finish up when you don't want to.
Because, otherwise, I think what happens is wetend to leave things unfinished, and we don't
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want those open loops.
We wanna close those loops.
So, you know, if nothing else, get aghostwriter and have them finish it.
But, you know, finish it.
And ghostwriters are great.
I just fucking with one this morning.
Yeah.
And do you know wonderful.
Do you ever advise people to use, like, chatGPT or NEAI, or do you have them just try to
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formulate it in their head?
I haven't had that come up.
Now I will say with my own experience, Ithought, I have this really great idea for a
children's book.
I'm just gonna test it out and ask chat GP towrite this children's book for me.
You know, there's not that many words dependingon the age of the children that you're writing
for.
And so I put down the idea.
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I told the things I wanted to be in the book,you know, how I wanted the story to flow, what
I want it to be like.
And I and came up with this great story.
I didn't like it, though.
Oh, really?
I like the story.
It was a good story, but it didn't have thatthat personal heart in it.
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That's what
I was
just gonna say.
GPT has no heart.
And and, you know, that's our new truth center.
That's where everything needs to flow through.
So I wondered about that.
Yeah.
I mean, it's great for certain things.
But you we And it can help you.
You know, I I have a double check my grammarand my spelling.
I say, don't change anything.
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Just check the spelling and grammar.
And if there's something that needs changed,ask me first.
So, you know, you have to give it instructions.
You gotta remember, it's it's really easy toforget that it's not another person you're
talking to because, you know, you be polite toit.
You you treat it as if it was another person,and you have this interaction going on.
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But at some point, you realize, yeah, you cantell this is just all computer generated.
And it's too easy to let the computer do it andsay, oh, yeah.
That's good.
Put your name on it.
Do you really want your name on something likethat?
I mean, it's it's great to have it for advice.
You know?
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I'm trying to figure out how to word this.
I don't know what to do and ask me somequestions.
You know?
Maybe, you know, this is the I want this wordto really have power, but I can't get it to
work with this.
So there's there's ways you can use it to helpenhance what you're doing, and it's kinda like
makeup for women.
And I'm sorry I don't have any on today.
I'm not You look gorgeous.
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But it's you know, the makeup is to enhance thebeauty that's already there.
And so chat, GPT, AI, all of that is there tohelp enhance what you're already doing.
If you want something to write it for you, hirea ghostwriter.
They're really great at what they do.
They come up with something that's amazing, andit's in your voice and how you would say it.
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And and, you know, everything.
Tools, ChatGPT AI is a tool.
Tools have their use.
You want a hammer to pound in a nail.
You don't wanna hammer to pound in a screw.
Get a screwdriver.
You know?
You have to use the right tool for what you'redoing.
That's a great analogy.
Yeah.
Great analogy.
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Now, also, you're with everything else you do,you are an inspirational speaker.
Yeah.
I love to
see I can wait.
As we're talking, I can see why you are.
What do you have one one one certain thing youtalk about, or is it, you know, open ended?
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I do, and someone pointed it out to me.
And it's like, again, you know, that moment'slike, You're right.
I do that.
So I talk about hope.
Oh.
And I do it in a huge variety of ways, and andI don't even realize that I do it.
It's just who I am.
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I've got a talk coming up this Saturday.
Diana is is just amazing.
She asked me to, you know, almost six monthsago to be a part of this talk on Saturday, and
it's talking about faith over fear.
And I had this great talk all laid out.
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It was just wonderful.
Told some of my history and all of this, andand I'm like, that just doesn't cut it.
It's just not right.
So, you know, wait till the last minute.
I don't usually do that.
I like to have everything ahead of time.
But part of of me doing things ahead of timemeans I've got time to go back and look at it.
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And if I need to change it, I can.
So I did.
So I've changed the talk I was going to gowith, and now I have this amazing story.
I absolutely love it.
It's just wonderful.
But it is talking about stepping through yourfear, and that fear is there.
It could you know, I personally look at fear asa hologram.
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It's there.
It's big.
It's in your face.
It's just terrifying sometimes, but it's ahologram.
You just Yeah.
Step right through it, and it's gone.
You know?
I believe that as well.
I'm plugging.
It's not there.
Yeah.
And I believe it's just part of the matrixwe're in.
And, you know, if you if you create fear, youkind of control the outcome.
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You know?
People just get
to me, it's like, you know, it happens, wenothing we can do about it.
Why be afraid of it?
You know, you sit there and
just sit
in your house because you're afraid.
Good.
Yeah.
So I I actually use the analogy of what justhappened.
You know?
There I am.
Every time I go outside, I look to see if thebull is looking for me.
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Seeking
you out.
That's right.
It's like, you know, and if it looks at me,okay.
I'm going back in the house, and it's like, youknow, that's that's no way to live.
I went out to the pasture.
The bull's on on across a second fence, can'tget to me, but I was terrified.
Mean, I had true panic.
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And I'm clutching my chest, holding on to myheart, trying not to freak out.
And I'm talking with my husband because thebull knocked my glasses off.
I've got these these spears that are allscratched up.
It's like, we can't find my glasses.
We don't know where they went.
They went flying somewhere.
But, but I actually had to come in the houseand close the door, and I'm sitting on my chair
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just holding me, trying to calm me down.
And I'm thinking this is ridiculous becausewhat it does is it freezes my power to think
and to be intuitive to know what to do.
You know?
So if the bull comes at me, what am I gonna do?
Just freeze and fall on the groundautomatically?
Yeah.
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No.
That's that's that's a perfect way to put ittoo.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I thought, why am I letting this fearcripple me, cause me to have this panic attack,
which actually does damage inside of my body,keeping me from thinking clearly and being able
to use my brain when I need it.
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And, you know, when people panic, they don'tthink clearly.
They they can't stop and say, alright.
What's the best course of action?
You know, that bull's looking at me.
He's getting ready to charge me.
I'm thinking, okay.
What's the best course of action?
I wanna go to the fence and jump out of out ofthe little corral that we're in.
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But if I do that, I'm gonna be full on straightin front of them.
And if I step to the left too far, I'm gonnaget hit with his horn.
But I don't wanna get gored because I know thatcan be really bad.
So as he's taking you know?
And it's all going so fast because someone likea couple of steps before he gets to me.
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He was that close.
And I just kinda shifted a little bit to theleft, so I got caught between his head and his
horn right there.
And even though it hurt and it hit me, I knowit was a better choice to make.
Now if I've been panicking, who knows what Iwould have done?
Maybe I would have tried running, and thatwould have been really bad.
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Maybe Yeah.
You know, I would have stepped right in frontof him.
Who knows what I would have done?
I think that could be your next book.
How I survived the horns.
I told my husband I'm getting him a T shirtthat that has me, you know, cartoon of holding
up a bull with his its feet tied up on thisrope and saying, I saved my husband from a bull
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attack.
Yeah.
I'm a hero.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And, you know, I know we're getting towards theend of our time, but before we I want you to
talk about your podcast wisdom from the frontporch.
It sounds very interesting to me.
It is.
It's actually wisdom on the front porch.
On the patio.
A lot of people help me get the right wordingfor the title.
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And I love front porches.
You know, you have great conversations with it.
Absolutely.
It's almost a thing of the past, and it makesme so sad.
Yeah.
And it's like and I had to explain this tosomeone in The UK because they don't have front
porches.
And they go and I could see the confusion.
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I says, let me tell you what front porches arehere in America.
This is where everybody sits.
You can see what's going on in the world aroundyou.
This is where you sit with your grandma andshell peas or or peel peaches or apples for
making pies later.
This is where everybody gathers to haveconversations.
You know, when you come to visit relatives,you're on the front porch, and you're talking
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about all kinds of things.
You hear the stories of your moms and and dadsand aunts and uncles as they grew up and what
they went through and the decisions and thechoices they made.
You know?
And and front porches don't have to be anactual porch.
It can be standing in line at the grocery storetalking to the UPS man that brings you the
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package and you ask him how his day going andyou get to talking.
It's just where you're sharing ideas andsharing that communication, which I think a lot
of us are starting to lack now.
We don't really know how to talk with eachother and what to say.
You and you don't have to get in deepconversations.
(27:55):
Maybe you're just sitting on the porch playingyour instruments together.
You know?
And and right now, you and I, we're sitting onour our front porch in the podcast, you know,
talking about it and sharing about it.
And it's easy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I was actually gonna do a book calledwisdom on the front porch, and I just had the
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title.
The cover didn't have anything else.
And it turned into a podcast, and it's turnedinto a magazine.
And so it's there to help entrepreneurs helpother entrepreneurs on their journey, giving
you real tools, getting into the meat andpotatoes.
Well, why does this work and this doesn't work?
How can can my journey help anotherentrepreneur on their journey?
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And I love where it goes, and I meet the mostamazing people.
I met Matthew Lesko who wanted to be on mypodcast, which when I realized who it was, it's
like, oh, are you kidding me?
Because I used to watch him on TV when mybabies were little.
And he would talk about how the government hasall this money and you can get you know, I've
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got this big, thick, big book.
Now it's all on the Internet, so you don't haveto do that great big book.
But it's there to help people.
You know, if you've got mold in your home, thisis where you can go to to help get rid of it
without having to clean out your bank account.
And Awesome.
I need to freeze out.
I think
I got mold.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Matthew, let's go.
Look him up.
Okay.
No.
That that's amazing.
I mean and it and it makes so much sensebecause we're just, you know, we've we've lost
from the time we started on the phones, I mean,you you go to a restaurant and people are you
know, their phone is right right away.
You know, I never let my kids bring it to thetable ever.
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You know?
It's a, oh, no.
No.
No.
No.
You know?
And, of course, they ate really fast and gotup.
Tried.
I tried.
But it it makes a difference.
It's amazing.
I was just talking to someone who was on awomen's retreat, and she said everybody had to
put their phone in the basket.
It's there for emergencies.
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If somebody's trying to get ahold of you orsomething, it's there.
But they didn't have their phones for the wholeweekend, and they said, oh, it was incredible.
Absolutely incredible to unplug.
I didn't realize how much we needed to do that.
I'd love to hear you.
Idea.
I know there's there's some churches.
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It's like, your phone is here.
You pick it up after service.
You know, some of us you know, I use my phonefor my Bible, so I don't have to carry my
Bible, and they're with me, and it's on there.
But, sometimes they're distracting.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Certainly.
Side note here.
I remember when our our watches started beepingall the time, and you'd be in church, and all
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of sudden all these watches would go off,especially at noon.
Yeah.
Let's go.
I know.
That's so funny.
Every night.
That that is true.
But you know what?
This has been an amazing conversation with you,and I've abs you know, that's what I love about
being the host of this is I learn from everysingle person.
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And it's it's an absolutely amazing way tostart my Monday.
So I wanna thank you for being here, of course,especially after your trauma and drama.
But you you you know, I want everybody to reachout to Ellis because she's got so much wisdom
and knowledge.
And we do have some links in her bio.
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I would love for you to get ahold of her.
And, Ellis, thank you so much for being here.
I appreciate your stories.
I appreciate you.
You're welcome.
Honor.
One of the things I love to do is is keep upwith the author.
So down the road, I would love to get ahold ofyou and have you do another one and just to see
where you're at.
And and that helps people understand how thechange book, how we work as a collective.
(31:56):
I love that.
Oh, yeah.
It's it's just the best thing.
If anybody's thinking about writing, you know,the change book is a great way to do that.
I love that you do more than just, okay.
You write a book and let's go on, but you havethe website.
You've got Facebook where everybody connects,and you can talk with each other.
And and it's just you know, Jim and Jim havegreat advice, and and I love working with you,
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Nicole.
It's just amazing.
You are so sweet.
I appreciate that.
So well, you take care, and everybody, pleasereach out to this amazing lady.
She has got some knowledge that knocks yoursocks off.
So, everyone, thank you for being here, and Iwill be back next Monday with another amazing
author.
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Take care, everyone.
I hope today's conversation on reading betweenthe words gave you a glimpse into the heart
behind the book and sparked something new foryour life or business.
If you love this episode, join theconversation, share it with a friend, leave a
review, or reach out and let us know what spoketo you.
We appreciate your support of this podcast, andremember, your words have power too.
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Go to lskirkpatrick.com/podcast.
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