May 7, 2025 • 27 mins
Have you ever found yourself caught in a web of drama that seems impossible to escape? Do toxic relationships keep you from fulfilling your true potential? In this enlightening conversation, boundaries coach and author Pamela Beard unveils the hidden dynamics of triangulation—a pattern that traps countless people in cycles of emotional conflict.
Pamela, author of "Triangulation: How to Break Free from Toxic Relationships," shares her expert insights on recognizing unhealthy relationship patterns and setting boundaries that honor your worth. She explains the critical difference between healthy boundaries (permeable fences with gates you control) and unhealthy ones (impenetrable walls that block both harm and good). This distinction alone provides a powerful framework for understanding why many of us struggle with relationships despite our best intentions.
The conversation delves into the spiritual dimensions of boundary-setting, revealing how our internal decisions about what we will and won't accept create the foundation for external boundaries—those we communicate and enforce through action. Pamela doesn't shy away from challenging perspectives, noting that some people become comfortable in victimhood, preferring to complain rather than make the decisions necessary for change.
Perhaps most powerfully, Pamela connects boundary-setting to our divine purpose, explaining that the enemy uses drama and triangulation to distract us from fulfilling our God-given potential. By recognizing these patterns and understanding that our battle isn't with people but with negative spiritual forces working through relationships, we gain clarity and compassion for addressing conflicts.
Whether you're struggling with family dynamics, workplace relationships, or personal boundaries, this episode offers practical wisdom grounded in spiritual truth. Pamela's approach to journaling as a tool for connecting head and heart provides a tangible practice for developing self-awareness and making healthier choices. Join us to discover how breaking free from triangulation can open the door to living your purpose with clarity, peace, and joy.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Welcome.
Welcome to the Ready SetCollaborate podcast with Wanda
Pearson and my host, pamelaBeard.
I was so excited to have her onthe first time so I got to
bring her back on again becauseyou know what?
She got a new book out here, soI'm your host, wanda Pearson.
Today we have a very greattreat for Pam to teach us about
boundaries as well as her newbook, triangulation.
(00:51):
Is that what it's called, pam?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yes.
Triangulation how to Break Freefrom Toxic Relationships.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Absolutely.
I love that and that is so good.
That is so needed today here.
So we're going to dive intoPam's inspiring journey from
passion to purpose and I'm goingto talk about I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Pam say hello to our audience here.
Hello everyone.
So glad that you're listeningin and taking advantage of this
learning opportunity.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Absolutely, we're about educating, empowering
people right and collaborationAbsolutely about educating,
empowering people right andcollaboration absolutely I say
collaboration is the key tosuccess.
So let me tell you about pamhere.
Pam beer is our boundariescoach, journaling practitioner,
podcast host of let's talkboundaries and a published
author I gotta come on your show, pam, that's right.
Recently published book trytriangulation how to break free
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from toxic relationships.
It's a christ, christian-basedguide to understanding and
overcoming the dysfunctionalpatterns of behavior that hinder
the journey toward fulfillingGod's purpose for our lives.
As a boundaries coach, pamelafocuses on helping women set
healthy boundaries in areas thattruly matter.
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She conducts both live andvirtual group coaching programs
and one-on-one coaching.
Pamela focuses on helping womenset healthy boundaries in areas
that truly matter.
She conducts both live andvirtual group coaching programs
and one-on-one coaching.
With over 20 years ofexperience in corporate training
and development, she hasdesigned self-paced curricula to
empower her clients in buildingself-confidence and inserting
themselves effectively.
Pamela also facilitates aprivate Facebook group, let's
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Talk Boundaries.
So make sure you follow Pam onFacebook, let's Talk Boundaries,
providing a forum for groupmembers to share their boundary
questions and gain insights intohow to handle each situation
successfully.
Pamela's experience withjournaling since the age of 11
was positioned her as ajournaling expert, helping
others realize the value ofjournaling as a stimulus for
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emotional healing and personalgrowth.
Thank you, pam.
That is awesome because wedefinitely need that today with
everything that's going on inthis world, and I appreciate you
coming on to the Ready SetCollaborate podcast.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Wanda, oh, you are welcome.
You are welcome.
So we're going to dive intosome questions and we're going
to talk about boundaries, butdid you have something else to
add that I have not said in yourbio?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Actually, yeah, this is my second book.
Actually, my first book Ipublished two years ago and it
was called I had a TwinDisrupting the cycle of
childhood traumas, and this bookwas inspired by my twin sister,
who took her life three yearsago as a result of the childhood
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trauma that she and I bothexperienced at least 90 percent
we both experience.
It just goes to show how peoplewhat's the word I'm looking for
?
People react differently to thetraumas, even if it's the same
traumas, and it's so importantthat we identify what we're
doing now to heal from thosetraumas so that we don't cause
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collateral damage with theresidual effects.
And that's what that book isabout helping people to
understand how to identify thosetraumas so they can heal and
not pass that on to differentgenerations.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Absolutely.
I think we're in the same spacehere because we came out with
our books around the same time.
We did God's Grace Through theFire from Struggle to Triumph,
and how I went through, like you, trauma and abuse, and actually
you brought out triangulation.
I'm bringing out forgiveness,forgiveness.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Oh, absolutely, which is so important.
I love that people think I haveto forgive them.
I don't want to forgive themand you're going to be talking
about it.
Forgiveness is not about thatperson, it's about you, because
that's part of your healingprocess exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
You got to forgive yourself first.
Yeah, so my book is coming outtoo, pam.
It seems like we're on the samewavelength, girl, because you
have your book, I have my book.
We write verses.
We're just trying to educatepeople to not be stuck in those
places, because a lot of timeswe get stuck and you don't
realize that it's affecting you,your mental health, in being
able to release it.
So they always say forgiveyourself first.
(05:09):
Yeah, I didn't understand that.
I didn't understand that first.
Why do I have to forgive myselffirst?
I didn't do anything, but it'sso true.
Because God forgave us, so wegot to forgive ourselves
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
And oh, what a wonderful blessing that he
forgave us.
It, sure is it, sure is it?
What a wonderful blessing thathe forgave us.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
It sure is.
It sure is.
We can talk for days here, butlet's get on to what we're
talking about with you.
So creating boundaries, what?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
first led you to explore the topic of boundaries.
Well, let's see, I started mycoaching practice back in 2009.
And in 2009, I started coachingwomen that really wanted to
reach the goals they had set.
One of the questions that Istart with my clients is where
do you want to be in the nextfive years?
And then, what have you done toget there?
To get there and I usually gotcrickets crickets because they
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weren't, they hadn't doneanything to get there.
And as I coached them, Irealized there was a commonality
and that commonality was themain reason people hadn't done
anything with reaching theirgoals in the next five years is
because they weren't setting theright boundaries, the healthy
boundaries.
And I wonder, there's such adifference between healthy
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boundaries and unhealthyboundaries, which most people
don't understand.
And in order to get where youwant to be, you got set healthy
boundaries, because thosehealthy boundaries are basically
a win-win for everybodyinvolved.
You're not cutting anybody off,you're doing what's right for
you and it's like thatforgiveness.
It's not until you forgiveyourself that you realize that
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you're worthy enough to do thethings that you wanna do, even
if it's.
I give you a period of fiveyears.
So what I did?
I realized that women weren'tsetting the right boundaries, so
I began to focus on helpingwomen to identify the boundaries
, where boundaries are neededand where they're needed, which
ones are needed and how to setthem.
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And a lot of times, if youhaven't like, you haven't
forgiven yourself, you haven'tidentified the traumas that
you're carrying along with you,like excess baggage on an
airplane, then you're going toend up spewing.
That suitcase that you put inthat overhead compartment is
going to end up opening up,spewing out all over the place.
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And that's what happens whenpeople don't identify the
boundaries that are needed andwhat is preventing them from
setting them.
And then what they do?
They end up being caught up inthe triangulation with toxic
people, toxic situations andthey just accept them for what
they are because they don'tunderstand how important and
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valuable they are absolutely,absolutely.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
You put it all in a nutshell.
That does make sense, so I wantto ask you another question.
So what's that?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
one simple way someone can start setting
healthy boundaries today to feelin their spirit, in their heart
, when something just isn'tright.
When they don't feel right,then they know there's a
boundary that needs to be set.
I tell my clients all the time,wanda, when they come to me and
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they have a problem or achallenge, I listen to them and
then I get quiet for a momentand I say, actually you don't
have a problem, you just have adecision to make.
And they think a decision yeah,you got to identify.
What is it about this situationthat doesn't sit well with you?
Is this a situation that, if itcontinues, that you'll be okay
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with it or you won't be okaywith it?
Does it dishonor you?
Does it disrespect you for whoyou are?
And a lot of times when people,if they don't know who they are
and whose they are, then they'llprobably find an excuse to
settle for it.
Oh, it's okay, they won't do itagain or, I don't know, I'll
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get away from it.
No, you need to set theboundary, you need to make the
decision.
If this doesn't make me feelright, then know that I'm not
going to continue this.
That's your decision and yourdecision is your internal
boundary, because there's also adifference between internal and
external boundaries.
Your internal boundary is theboundary where you make that
decision on what's right for you.
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The external boundary is theboundary you communicate or
requires your action.
So you got the thought, you gotthe decision.
Now that's the internalboundary.
Now you go for the action thatyou take to solidify the
internal boundary, the decisionthat you made, so that you are
in a position of peace, you'rein a position of joy and you can
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continue on with that peace,with your life and reaching the
goals that you set for yourself.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Absolutely.
It definitely makes sense there.
So let me ask you something howcan you tell when a
relationship lacks boundaries?
Speaker 3 (09:54):
When somebody's complaining all the time.
How many times do we havepeople we talk to and they just
complain and then you help themthrough it and then they come
back and they're stillcomplaining about the same thing
.
Then you weren't listening oryou didn't want to.
And here's the other thing,wanda, which I realized.
I'm going to step on somepeople's toes.
Some people love misery, somepeople love being victims, and I
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talk in my book Triangulation,about victimhood.
In fact I talked about it.
Victimhood is so important,it's so prevalent that I even
talked about it in my last book.
Let's hope people get it,because you got to understand
that there's no joy invictimhood, and that's one of
the titles of my chapter there'sno joy in victimhood.
So you can wallow in yourmisery.
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But here's I do with my clients.
This is who I am.
I'm not here to wallow in yourmisery, but here's what I do
with my clients.
This is who I am.
I'm not here to wallow in yourmisery with you.
I'm here to escort you out ofit If you're the type of person
who wants to sit here and justcomplain and not do anything
about it, and then when somebodylike you and I, wanda, we try
to help them.
Have you considered this?
What about this?
Then they come up with someexcuse, excuse, no, it's really
not that bad.
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Oh, okay, then why are wetalking about this?
Let's talk about something thatyou want to do something about.
Let's not wallow.
It's like when people talk aboutyou can hear my voice.
I'm a horse.
I don't say that I have a cold.
I say I'm overcoming becauseit's not going to be here
forever.
It's going away and I'm goingto keep on moving.
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So why would I sit here andwallow in my cold?
If I wanted to go away, I wouldwallow.
If I wanted to stay there, orif I wasn't willing to do what I
needed to do to get rid of it.
Sure, I could not take offmedicine, I could not take my
supplements, a lot of things Icould not do.
But you know what?
I don't want to stay here.
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If you don't want to stay in themisery that you're complaining
about, stop complaining about itand start figuring out how to
get out of it.
Make the decision and keep itto moving.
We've heard that.
Keep it to moving.
I really.
I want to help people, but ifthey don't want to be helped
themselves, then they end upstaying there.
So in a relationship, if you'vegot people complaining all the
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time, I don't care what kind ofrelationship it is.
If you want to continue tocomplain, don't expect the
person that you're with to justsit back and allow you to just
complain all the time.
If you're not willing to doanything about it, you'll start
noticing wow, that persondoesn't answer my phone anymore,
my calls anymore.
I wonder why.
Let's be uplifting in ourconversation, let's have forward
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movement, let's not staystagnant or left in a puddle or
quick saying which you'lleventually go down if you
continue to complain aboutsomething that you can do
something about, if you simplymake a decision.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
You said that and I tell you, I always say my
husband said it before actionspeaks louder than words.
So you're showing your action.
Continue to tell him that too.
Action speaks louder than words.
Let's do, let's just do it.
That's the biggest thing, andas far as pushing people to just
do it.
But what's the biggestmisconception about boundaries?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Let me give an example of the biggest
misconception, the differencebetween healthy boundaries and
unhealthy boundaries.
An unhealthy boundary is prettymuch like running up against a
brick wall or you putting up abrick wall.
People get hurt and they decideyou know what?
I don't want to get hurt again,Even if it's in relationships.
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Let's say you broke up in arelationship and that person
treated you so wrong for male orfemale, it doesn't matter, they
treated you wrong.
So now you go and you put up awall.
Well, the only thing about thatwall and the reason it's an
unhealthy boundary is becauseyou can't.
You don't allow good to come in, Even if you don't allow good
to come in, Even if you don'twant bad to come in, you don't
allow the good to come inbecause you can't see it.
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And the healthy boundary isputting up a fence, let's say a
white picket fence, because youhave a latch there.
You can see over that and youcan use not only your common
sense but you can allow yourselfto receive that which is good
and keep out that which is bad.
And the only way you're goingto know that is if you have a
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fence instead of a wall, andthat you do the work and I'd say
in your journal, writing inyour prayer, in your reading
this is your opportunity todecide whether this is something
that's good for you orsomething that's not, and so you
have control over that latch onthat fence, but you do not have
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control over that wall.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
And I love that.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
So, true.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
So we're going to go on to your book Triangulation.
I'm just going to read a littlepart of the introduction.
There's a war raging and youare right in the middle of it.
Why?
Because you hold something farmore precious than any other
creature on this earth you holdthe key to God's heart.
So just that little piece ofinsert.
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What is Triangulation about andwhy that title?
Speaker 3 (14:59):
That's interesting because I am doing a master
class on triangulation, becausemost people don't really
understand what triangulation isand how it relates to toxic
relationships.
Triangulation is, first of all,triangulation comes from the
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drama triangle.
It's a dysfunctional model ofbehavior that was created by Dr
Stephen Clarkman back in 1968.
And what it does is this is awhat do you call it?
An inverted triangle.
So it's not your upside, yourregular, with the point at the
top and two points on the bottom, but for an inverted triangle
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that's upside down, that'sdysfunctional and there's three
positions within that triangle.
There's the persecutor, thevictim and the rescuer.
So a lot of times when peoplehave dealt with childhood
traumas or any kind, there's somany different traumas and
people need to identify whattheir traumas are.
What they end up doing is theyend up behaving in a way that
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shows they haven't healed fromthat trauma, and so they'll do
it in one of the three positionswithin that drama triangle.
So the triangulation comes intoplay when you've got two people
that are in conflict one way oranother.
Could be a family member,sister, brother, mother, father,
aunt, co-worker, friend,business partner.
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It could be anyone.
There's a conflict.
Then they go and run and tellit to somebody else and expect
somebody else to come and solvethat problem for them or get in
their business.
When you've got two people in aconflict and you bring another
person in, that's three points.
That's a triangulation and it'sreally I like to think of it as
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strangulation, because you'vejust created so much more havoc
than you had when you firststarted with two people.
And people do it every singleday and so triangulation needs
to be understood.
In my masterclass I'm doing onMay 17th in Atlanta, in Marietta
in particular, I'm going to beproviding examples of how
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triangulation plays out in ourlives every single day and I'm
going to give each participantan opportunity to identify where
triangulation is out in ourlives every single day.
And I'm going to give eachparticipant an opportunity to
identify where triangulation ishappening in their lives so that
they can identify it, becauseself-awareness is key Once we
identify it and what our role isin it.
Then the rest of my book talksabout how to get out of
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triangulation, how to step outof the drama triangle, how to
make sure that you're not doingthe drama dance, going from one
position to the other, becauseit's easy to do if you're not
aware of what's happening, sothat you can continue on and get
rid of the distractions thatare preventing you from living
your life on purpose, for thereason that God placed you here,
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because we leave this earth andso full of people's drama and
creating our own drama that wehaven't been educated or taken
the time to really identify.
What is it that's holding meback?
It's not my sister, my brother,my mother, my father.
It's not anybody but me, and Igot to figure out how to take
ownership of that, how to takeauthority of that, so that I can
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move on and set the boundariesthe healthy boundaries that I
need to figure out how to takeownership of that, how to take
authority of that, so that I canmove on and set the boundaries
the healthy boundaries that Ineed to do in my relationships
to make sure that they're notsabotaging me and holding me
hostage to my past andpreventing me from moving
forward freely, in peace and joyand in hope for the future of
what you have to do, because Godplaced you here to do something
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.
Now I want you to do, andeverybody else to do, what I'm
going to do when I die.
I'm going to go up to heaven.
I'm going to be in my Jesusarms and I'm going to hear God
say to me Well done, my good andfaithful servant, because I
didn't allow anybody else topull me into the drama triangle
and to triangulate me and taketime away from me, focusing on
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what God placed me here to do,and to do it.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Amen, amen.
You put it in a nutshell there,girl, I tell you I love it,
because that's what we have tocontinue to pray and trust in
God.
Really, with everything that wego through and we try to solve
it ourselves.
It's not going to solveourselves.
You got to ask God for help tohelp you with that, so let me we
try to solve it ourselves.
It's not going to solveourselves.
You got to ask God for help tohelp you with that, so let me.
We got to move on here.
So how does it relate toemotional or relational conflict
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?
I think you probably talkedabout that a little bit, so yeah
, and that's why I talk aboutjournaling.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Journal writing is because what there are different
styles of journaling.
I typically teach on fivedifferent styles two pretty much
people know about, but there'sthree that are advanced styles
and if you can learn how toincorporate those journaling
styles, it will help you tocreate a connection between your
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head and your strategy, yourthinking.
Too many times when we haveproblems in relationships
because we're allowing ouremotion, our heart, to control
every decision that we make andit keeps us in misery when we do
that, we got to get to thepoint where we snap out of the
emotion, connect it with ourhead, our thought process, and
allow the two to work in concertour head and our heart to come
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up with the decision that weneed to make.
So most of the time, it'spatterns that we need to
identify, but if we're goingbased on our emotions, we can't
identify the patterns.
The patterns come from thinkingand putting our head with our
heart and talking through it, sothat we can come to a place of
resolve and know what we need todo with a thought process,
rather than allowing our heartsto control our decisions that we
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make.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Absolutely.
It's all about mindset.
Absolutely, talk about mindset.
It's all about that here.
So what's one key lesson orstory from the book that stands
out to you?
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Wow.
I think the biggest thing isreally understanding your role
and your purpose here and notallowing anyone to deter you
from that, because that one, asyou started reading in the book
Wanda is you are.
You hold the key to God's heart, but there's somebody that
doesn't want you to do what Godwants you to do the enemy.
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And the enemy will doeverything he can to prevent you
from doing it.
So the biggest point is showingyou how the enemy is doing
everything he can and what hedoes, and he uses this model of
triangulation, of drama triangle, to prevent you from fulfilling
your purpose.
And you got to identify it andunderstand that the people are
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not your enemy.
It's the enemy using thesepeople to become an enemy.
So once you figure out I do likethe VA commercial.
I could have had a VA Everysituation when you journal, you
can get to the point whereyou're like, ah, that was Satan,
that wasn't that person.
So your battle is with him.
Your battle is not with theperson, and you don't have to
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fight that battle alone, becauseGod is right there with you and
the Holy Spirit will teach you,when you listen, how to win the
battle against the enemy sothat you can do what God placed
you here to do absolutely.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, you said it all in there.
That's when you shake your head.
Yeah, you said that one here.
So how do you hopetriangulation helps people heal?
I'm sorry, how does the book ofthe book help people here?
How do you?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
hope triangulation helps people heal.
I'm sorry, how does the book ofthe book help people?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
here.
How do you hope that your bookhelps people heal?
Speaker 3 (22:22):
self-awareness.
Self-awareness and notbelieving that you are
handcuffed to any situation, toany person, because you know
what, wanda, I know.
I know you didn't talk aboutmarriage.
A lot of people get divorcedtoo soon.
They do.
And it's because of thoseemotions you talked about,
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because you are offended.
And when you allow the enemy tooffend you, understand what I
just said.
I didn't say when you allowthat person to offend you.
I said when you allow the enemyto offend you, because whatever
is offending you check it withthe word, with Bible, with
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prayer, with your journaling,because there's a pattern and
usually that pattern is anoffense that you're allowing for
something to happen in yourpast.
So what the book does is ithelps you to not only give you
self-awareness but also otherawareness and enemy awareness
and God awareness, because whenyou pull those together you are
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so powerful.
You're beyond because Jesus isin you.
And when you start to makeexcuses and have pity parties
and become a victim, you'rebasically saying that Jesus is a
victim and Jesus can't handleit.
Jesus can't handle it becausehe put inside of you everything
you need to handle it.
You just got to call on him andlet him help you and he will do
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it, and there you go.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Absolutely, I love that.
I love that because and I doinspirations every day I send it
out to my friends and familyand talk just to give them some
kind of hope and positivity,because we need positivity in
this world today.
And making sure that you gotJesus in your life, you got God
in your life, all of those helpyou to grow.
So things that you say I can'tdo this, my father always said
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don't say don't, ever say Ican't because can't.
Comes in cans that you'relocked in.
You have to.
Actually you can do this.
So speak, see positivity.
I tell my granddaughter oh, Idon't feel good, then I don't.
I said no, you say I do feelgood and whatever you put out
there and you manifest it, youactually know that God is going
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to make it work.
So we are winding down here.
So where do what?
Can we find the book and followyour work and also mention
about your masterclass as well.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Okay, and I don't believe I gave you the link to
the masterclass, but I can sendthat to you if that's helpful.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, send it to me.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Exactly, but they can find me.
My podcast is on YouTube andPodbean and it is called let's
Talk Boundaries and also I'm onInstagram called let's Talk
Boundaries and also I'm onInstagram called let's Talk
Boundaries.
But each word has that what isthat?
Underline between each one.
Yeah, and in my Facebook groupit's a private Facebook group
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called let's Talk Boundaries,and then they can always reach
for the book.
I think I sent you for the linkof that to my e-courses.
There's a link to order thebook and I'll.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
It's too hard to say right now it's okay, just resend
it to me, send all of yoursocial media so I have it in the
notes, so people can actuallyconnect with you on that.
But I appreciate, girl.
You just gave us a fullinspirational message here and I
highly recommend you get herbook triangulation, because that
is so real it's so real it's soreal and we want to make sure
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that the enemy don't win, butgod wins amen, amen.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
You gotta go to battle.
Go to battle and know whoyou're battling and know who's
with you exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
So.
Thank you so much, Pamela Bird,sharing your passion and your
journey with us and the purposeof being able to get through
boundaries that we set forourselves and set for others,
but getting along with eachother.
So I think anything is possible.
You just never know, but withall things, through Christ, he
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can make it work out.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
So all things, that's right.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Exactly so.
I appreciate you coming on ourpodcast.
So until next time, keepcollaborating, keep dreaming and
remember to sprinkle joywherever you go.
Make sure you follow, share andlisten to my podcast, ready Set
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Or even just do Ready SetCollaborate, because we got so
many great guests, such as Pamon there, that I actually make
sure that we and I did thispodcast, these podcasts, because
I like to collaborate andcollaborating is the key to
success.
So, once again, thank you forbeing on our podcast.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
It's been a joy.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Until next time, we're going to have you on again
, because I love what you'resaying and we're going to be
writing another book next year,huh.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Bet, you know it, you know it, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
All right, honey, thanks again.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Welcome.
Welcome to the Ready SetCollaborate podcast with Wanda
Pearson and my host, pamelaBeard.
I was so excited to have her onthe first time so I got to
bring her back on again becauseyou know what?
She got a new book out here, soI'm your host, wanda Pearson.
Today we have a very greattreat for Pam to teach us about
boundaries as well as her newbook, triangulation.
(00:51):
Is that what it's called, pam?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yes.
Triangulation how to Break Freefrom Toxic Relationships.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Absolutely.
I love that and that is so good.
That is so needed today here.
So we're going to dive intoPam's inspiring journey from
passion to purpose and I'm goingto talk about I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Pam say hello to our audience here.
Hello everyone.
So glad that you're listeningin and taking advantage of this
learning opportunity.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Absolutely, we're about educating, empowering
people right and collaborationAbsolutely about educating,
empowering people right andcollaboration absolutely I say
collaboration is the key tosuccess.
So let me tell you about pamhere.
Pam beer is our boundariescoach, journaling practitioner,
podcast host of let's talkboundaries and a published
author I gotta come on your show, pam, that's right.
Recently published book trytriangulation how to break free
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from toxic relationships.
It's a christ, christian-basedguide to understanding and
overcoming the dysfunctionalpatterns of behavior that hinder
the journey toward fulfillingGod's purpose for our lives.
As a boundaries coach, pamelafocuses on helping women set
healthy boundaries in areas thattruly matter.
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She conducts both live andvirtual group coaching programs
and one-on-one coaching.
Pamela focuses on helping womenset healthy boundaries in areas
that truly matter.
She conducts both live andvirtual group coaching programs
and one-on-one coaching.
With over 20 years ofexperience in corporate training
and development, she hasdesigned self-paced curricula to
empower her clients in buildingself-confidence and inserting
themselves effectively.
Pamela also facilitates aprivate Facebook group, let's
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Talk Boundaries.
So make sure you follow Pam onFacebook, let's Talk Boundaries,
providing a forum for groupmembers to share their boundary
questions and gain insights intohow to handle each situation
successfully.
Pamela's experience withjournaling since the age of 11
was positioned her as ajournaling expert, helping
others realize the value ofjournaling as a stimulus for
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emotional healing and personalgrowth.
Thank you, pam.
That is awesome because wedefinitely need that today with
everything that's going on inthis world, and I appreciate you
coming on to the Ready SetCollaborate podcast.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Wanda, oh, you are welcome.
You are welcome.
So we're going to dive intosome questions and we're going
to talk about boundaries, butdid you have something else to
add that I have not said in yourbio?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Actually, yeah, this is my second book.
Actually, my first book Ipublished two years ago and it
was called I had a TwinDisrupting the cycle of
childhood traumas, and this bookwas inspired by my twin sister,
who took her life three yearsago as a result of the childhood
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trauma that she and I bothexperienced at least 90 percent
we both experience.
It just goes to show how peoplewhat's the word I'm looking for
?
People react differently to thetraumas, even if it's the same
traumas, and it's so importantthat we identify what we're
doing now to heal from thosetraumas so that we don't cause
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collateral damage with theresidual effects.
And that's what that book isabout helping people to
understand how to identify thosetraumas so they can heal and
not pass that on to differentgenerations.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Absolutely.
I think we're in the same spacehere because we came out with
our books around the same time.
We did God's Grace Through theFire from Struggle to Triumph,
and how I went through, like you, trauma and abuse, and actually
you brought out triangulation.
I'm bringing out forgiveness,forgiveness.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Oh, absolutely, which is so important.
I love that people think I haveto forgive them.
I don't want to forgive themand you're going to be talking
about it.
Forgiveness is not about thatperson, it's about you, because
that's part of your healingprocess exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
You got to forgive yourself first.
Yeah, so my book is coming outtoo, pam.
It seems like we're on the samewavelength, girl, because you
have your book, I have my book.
We write verses.
We're just trying to educatepeople to not be stuck in those
places, because a lot of timeswe get stuck and you don't
realize that it's affecting you,your mental health, in being
able to release it.
So they always say forgiveyourself first.
(05:09):
Yeah, I didn't understand that.
I didn't understand that first.
Why do I have to forgive myselffirst?
I didn't do anything, but it'sso true.
Because God forgave us, so wegot to forgive ourselves
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
And oh, what a wonderful blessing that he
forgave us.
It, sure is it, sure is it?
What a wonderful blessing thathe forgave us.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
It sure is.
It sure is.
We can talk for days here, butlet's get on to what we're
talking about with you.
So creating boundaries, what?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
first led you to explore the topic of boundaries.
Well, let's see, I started mycoaching practice back in 2009.
And in 2009, I started coachingwomen that really wanted to
reach the goals they had set.
One of the questions that Istart with my clients is where
do you want to be in the nextfive years?
And then, what have you done toget there?
To get there and I usually gotcrickets crickets because they
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weren't, they hadn't doneanything to get there.
And as I coached them, Irealized there was a commonality
and that commonality was themain reason people hadn't done
anything with reaching theirgoals in the next five years is
because they weren't setting theright boundaries, the healthy
boundaries.
And I wonder, there's such adifference between healthy
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boundaries and unhealthyboundaries, which most people
don't understand.
And in order to get where youwant to be, you got set healthy
boundaries, because thosehealthy boundaries are basically
a win-win for everybodyinvolved.
You're not cutting anybody off,you're doing what's right for
you and it's like thatforgiveness.
It's not until you forgiveyourself that you realize that
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you're worthy enough to do thethings that you wanna do, even
if it's.
I give you a period of fiveyears.
So what I did?
I realized that women weren'tsetting the right boundaries, so
I began to focus on helpingwomen to identify the boundaries
, where boundaries are neededand where they're needed, which
ones are needed and how to setthem.
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And a lot of times, if youhaven't like, you haven't
forgiven yourself, you haven'tidentified the traumas that
you're carrying along with you,like excess baggage on an
airplane, then you're going toend up spewing.
That suitcase that you put inthat overhead compartment is
going to end up opening up,spewing out all over the place.
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And that's what happens whenpeople don't identify the
boundaries that are needed andwhat is preventing them from
setting them.
And then what they do?
They end up being caught up inthe triangulation with toxic
people, toxic situations andthey just accept them for what
they are because they don'tunderstand how important and
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valuable they are absolutely,absolutely.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
You put it all in a nutshell.
That does make sense, so I wantto ask you another question.
So what's that?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
one simple way someone can start setting
healthy boundaries today to feelin their spirit, in their heart
, when something just isn'tright.
When they don't feel right,then they know there's a
boundary that needs to be set.
I tell my clients all the time,wanda, when they come to me and
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they have a problem or achallenge, I listen to them and
then I get quiet for a momentand I say, actually you don't
have a problem, you just have adecision to make.
And they think a decision yeah,you got to identify.
What is it about this situationthat doesn't sit well with you?
Is this a situation that, if itcontinues, that you'll be okay
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with it or you won't be okaywith it?
Does it dishonor you?
Does it disrespect you for whoyou are?
And a lot of times when people,if they don't know who they are
and whose they are, then they'llprobably find an excuse to
settle for it.
Oh, it's okay, they won't do itagain or, I don't know, I'll
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get away from it.
No, you need to set theboundary, you need to make the
decision.
If this doesn't make me feelright, then know that I'm not
going to continue this.
That's your decision and yourdecision is your internal
boundary, because there's also adifference between internal and
external boundaries.
Your internal boundary is theboundary where you make that
decision on what's right for you.
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The external boundary is theboundary you communicate or
requires your action.
So you got the thought, you gotthe decision.
Now that's the internalboundary.
Now you go for the action thatyou take to solidify the
internal boundary, the decisionthat you made, so that you are
in a position of peace, you'rein a position of joy and you can
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continue on with that peace,with your life and reaching the
goals that you set for yourself.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Absolutely.
It definitely makes sense there.
So let me ask you something howcan you tell when a
relationship lacks boundaries?
Speaker 3 (09:54):
When somebody's complaining all the time.
How many times do we havepeople we talk to and they just
complain and then you help themthrough it and then they come
back and they're stillcomplaining about the same thing
.
Then you weren't listening oryou didn't want to.
And here's the other thing,wanda, which I realized.
I'm going to step on somepeople's toes.
Some people love misery, somepeople love being victims, and I
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talk in my book Triangulation,about victimhood.
In fact I talked about it.
Victimhood is so important,it's so prevalent that I even
talked about it in my last book.
Let's hope people get it,because you got to understand
that there's no joy invictimhood, and that's one of
the titles of my chapter there'sno joy in victimhood.
So you can wallow in yourmisery.
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But here's I do with my clients.
This is who I am.
I'm not here to wallow in yourmisery, but here's what I do
with my clients.
This is who I am.
I'm not here to wallow in yourmisery with you.
I'm here to escort you out ofit If you're the type of person
who wants to sit here and justcomplain and not do anything
about it, and then when somebodylike you and I, wanda, we try
to help them.
Have you considered this?
What about this?
Then they come up with someexcuse, excuse, no, it's really
not that bad.
(11:01):
Oh, okay, then why are wetalking about this?
Let's talk about something thatyou want to do something about.
Let's not wallow.
It's like when people talk aboutyou can hear my voice.
I'm a horse.
I don't say that I have a cold.
I say I'm overcoming becauseit's not going to be here
forever.
It's going away and I'm goingto keep on moving.
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So why would I sit here andwallow in my cold?
If I wanted to go away, I wouldwallow.
If I wanted to stay there, orif I wasn't willing to do what I
needed to do to get rid of it.
Sure, I could not take offmedicine, I could not take my
supplements, a lot of things Icould not do.
But you know what?
I don't want to stay here.
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If you don't want to stay in themisery that you're complaining
about, stop complaining about itand start figuring out how to
get out of it.
Make the decision and keep itto moving.
We've heard that.
Keep it to moving.
I really.
I want to help people, but ifthey don't want to be helped
themselves, then they end upstaying there.
So in a relationship, if you'vegot people complaining all the
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time, I don't care what kind ofrelationship it is.
If you want to continue tocomplain, don't expect the
person that you're with to justsit back and allow you to just
complain all the time.
If you're not willing to doanything about it, you'll start
noticing wow, that persondoesn't answer my phone anymore,
my calls anymore.
I wonder why.
Let's be uplifting in ourconversation, let's have forward
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movement, let's not staystagnant or left in a puddle or
quick saying which you'lleventually go down if you
continue to complain aboutsomething that you can do
something about, if you simplymake a decision.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
You said that and I tell you, I always say my
husband said it before actionspeaks louder than words.
So you're showing your action.
Continue to tell him that too.
Action speaks louder than words.
Let's do, let's just do it.
That's the biggest thing, andas far as pushing people to just
do it.
But what's the biggestmisconception about boundaries?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Let me give an example of the biggest
misconception, the differencebetween healthy boundaries and
unhealthy boundaries.
An unhealthy boundary is prettymuch like running up against a
brick wall or you putting up abrick wall.
People get hurt and they decideyou know what?
I don't want to get hurt again,Even if it's in relationships.
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Let's say you broke up in arelationship and that person
treated you so wrong for male orfemale, it doesn't matter, they
treated you wrong.
So now you go and you put up awall.
Well, the only thing about thatwall and the reason it's an
unhealthy boundary is becauseyou can't.
You don't allow good to come in, Even if you don't allow good
to come in, Even if you don'twant bad to come in, you don't
allow the good to come inbecause you can't see it.
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And the healthy boundary isputting up a fence, let's say a
white picket fence, because youhave a latch there.
You can see over that and youcan use not only your common
sense but you can allow yourselfto receive that which is good
and keep out that which is bad.
And the only way you're goingto know that is if you have a
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fence instead of a wall, andthat you do the work and I'd say
in your journal, writing inyour prayer, in your reading
this is your opportunity todecide whether this is something
that's good for you orsomething that's not, and so you
have control over that latch onthat fence, but you do not have
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control over that wall.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
And I love that.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
So, true.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
So we're going to go on to your book Triangulation.
I'm just going to read a littlepart of the introduction.
There's a war raging and youare right in the middle of it.
Why?
Because you hold something farmore precious than any other
creature on this earth you holdthe key to God's heart.
So just that little piece ofinsert.
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What is Triangulation about andwhy that title?
Speaker 3 (14:59):
That's interesting because I am doing a master
class on triangulation, becausemost people don't really
understand what triangulation isand how it relates to toxic
relationships.
Triangulation is, first of all,triangulation comes from the
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drama triangle.
It's a dysfunctional model ofbehavior that was created by Dr
Stephen Clarkman back in 1968.
And what it does is this is awhat do you call it?
An inverted triangle.
So it's not your upside, yourregular, with the point at the
top and two points on the bottom, but for an inverted triangle
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that's upside down, that'sdysfunctional and there's three
positions within that triangle.
There's the persecutor, thevictim and the rescuer.
So a lot of times when peoplehave dealt with childhood
traumas or any kind, there's somany different traumas and
people need to identify whattheir traumas are.
What they end up doing is theyend up behaving in a way that
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shows they haven't healed fromthat trauma, and so they'll do
it in one of the three positionswithin that drama triangle.
So the triangulation comes intoplay when you've got two people
that are in conflict one way oranother.
Could be a family member,sister, brother, mother, father,
aunt, co-worker, friend,business partner.
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It could be anyone.
There's a conflict.
Then they go and run and tellit to somebody else and expect
somebody else to come and solvethat problem for them or get in
their business.
When you've got two people in aconflict and you bring another
person in, that's three points.
That's a triangulation and it'sreally I like to think of it as
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strangulation, because you'vejust created so much more havoc
than you had when you firststarted with two people.
And people do it every singleday and so triangulation needs
to be understood.
In my masterclass I'm doing onMay 17th in Atlanta, in Marietta
in particular, I'm going to beproviding examples of how
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triangulation plays out in ourlives every single day and I'm
going to give each participantan opportunity to identify where
triangulation is out in ourlives every single day.
And I'm going to give eachparticipant an opportunity to
identify where triangulation ishappening in their lives so that
they can identify it, becauseself-awareness is key Once we
identify it and what our role isin it.
Then the rest of my book talksabout how to get out of
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triangulation, how to step outof the drama triangle, how to
make sure that you're not doingthe drama dance, going from one
position to the other, becauseit's easy to do if you're not
aware of what's happening, sothat you can continue on and get
rid of the distractions thatare preventing you from living
your life on purpose, for thereason that God placed you here,
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because we leave this earth andso full of people's drama and
creating our own drama that wehaven't been educated or taken
the time to really identify.
What is it that's holding meback?
It's not my sister, my brother,my mother, my father.
It's not anybody but me, and Igot to figure out how to take
ownership of that, how to takeauthority of that, so that I can
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move on and set the boundariesthe healthy boundaries that I
need to figure out how to takeownership of that, how to take
authority of that, so that I canmove on and set the boundaries
the healthy boundaries that Ineed to do in my relationships
to make sure that they're notsabotaging me and holding me
hostage to my past andpreventing me from moving
forward freely, in peace and joyand in hope for the future of
what you have to do, because Godplaced you here to do something
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.
Now I want you to do, andeverybody else to do, what I'm
going to do when I die.
I'm going to go up to heaven.
I'm going to be in my Jesusarms and I'm going to hear God
say to me Well done, my good andfaithful servant, because I
didn't allow anybody else topull me into the drama triangle
and to triangulate me and taketime away from me, focusing on
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what God placed me here to do,and to do it.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Amen, amen.
You put it in a nutshell there,girl, I tell you I love it,
because that's what we have tocontinue to pray and trust in
God.
Really, with everything that wego through and we try to solve
it ourselves.
It's not going to solveourselves.
You got to ask God for help tohelp you with that, so let me we
try to solve it ourselves.
It's not going to solveourselves.
You got to ask God for help tohelp you with that, so let me.
We got to move on here.
So how does it relate toemotional or relational conflict
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?
I think you probably talkedabout that a little bit, so yeah
, and that's why I talk aboutjournaling.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Journal writing is because what there are different
styles of journaling.
I typically teach on fivedifferent styles two pretty much
people know about, but there'sthree that are advanced styles
and if you can learn how toincorporate those journaling
styles, it will help you tocreate a connection between your
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head and your strategy, yourthinking.
Too many times when we haveproblems in relationships
because we're allowing ouremotion, our heart, to control
every decision that we make andit keeps us in misery when we do
that, we got to get to thepoint where we snap out of the
emotion, connect it with ourhead, our thought process, and
allow the two to work in concertour head and our heart to come
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up with the decision that weneed to make.
So most of the time, it'spatterns that we need to
identify, but if we're goingbased on our emotions, we can't
identify the patterns.
The patterns come from thinkingand putting our head with our
heart and talking through it, sothat we can come to a place of
resolve and know what we need todo with a thought process,
rather than allowing our heartsto control our decisions that we
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make.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Absolutely.
It's all about mindset.
Absolutely, talk about mindset.
It's all about that here.
So what's one key lesson orstory from the book that stands
out to you?
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Wow.
I think the biggest thing isreally understanding your role
and your purpose here and notallowing anyone to deter you
from that, because that one, asyou started reading in the book
Wanda is you are.
You hold the key to God's heart, but there's somebody that
doesn't want you to do what Godwants you to do the enemy.
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And the enemy will doeverything he can to prevent you
from doing it.
So the biggest point is showingyou how the enemy is doing
everything he can and what hedoes, and he uses this model of
triangulation, of drama triangle, to prevent you from fulfilling
your purpose.
And you got to identify it andunderstand that the people are
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not your enemy.
It's the enemy using thesepeople to become an enemy.
So once you figure out I do likethe VA commercial.
I could have had a VA Everysituation when you journal, you
can get to the point whereyou're like, ah, that was Satan,
that wasn't that person.
So your battle is with him.
Your battle is not with theperson, and you don't have to
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fight that battle alone, becauseGod is right there with you and
the Holy Spirit will teach you,when you listen, how to win the
battle against the enemy sothat you can do what God placed
you here to do absolutely.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, you said it all in there.
That's when you shake your head.
Yeah, you said that one here.
So how do you hopetriangulation helps people heal?
I'm sorry, how does the book ofthe book help people here?
How do you?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
hope triangulation helps people heal.
I'm sorry, how does the book ofthe book help people?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
here.
How do you hope that your bookhelps people heal?
Speaker 3 (22:22):
self-awareness.
Self-awareness and notbelieving that you are
handcuffed to any situation, toany person, because you know
what, wanda, I know.
I know you didn't talk aboutmarriage.
A lot of people get divorcedtoo soon.
They do.
And it's because of thoseemotions you talked about,
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because you are offended.
And when you allow the enemy tooffend you, understand what I
just said.
I didn't say when you allowthat person to offend you.
I said when you allow the enemyto offend you, because whatever
is offending you check it withthe word, with Bible, with
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prayer, with your journaling,because there's a pattern and
usually that pattern is anoffense that you're allowing for
something to happen in yourpast.
So what the book does is ithelps you to not only give you
self-awareness but also otherawareness and enemy awareness
and God awareness, because whenyou pull those together you are
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so powerful.
You're beyond because Jesus isin you.
And when you start to makeexcuses and have pity parties
and become a victim, you'rebasically saying that Jesus is a
victim and Jesus can't handleit.
Jesus can't handle it becausehe put inside of you everything
you need to handle it.
You just got to call on him andlet him help you and he will do
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it, and there you go.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Absolutely, I love that.
I love that because and I doinspirations every day I send it
out to my friends and familyand talk just to give them some
kind of hope and positivity,because we need positivity in
this world today.
And making sure that you gotJesus in your life, you got God
in your life, all of those helpyou to grow.
So things that you say I can'tdo this, my father always said
(24:10):
don't say don't, ever say Ican't because can't.
Comes in cans that you'relocked in.
You have to.
Actually you can do this.
So speak, see positivity.
I tell my granddaughter oh, Idon't feel good, then I don't.
I said no, you say I do feelgood and whatever you put out
there and you manifest it, youactually know that God is going
(24:31):
to make it work.
So we are winding down here.
So where do what?
Can we find the book and followyour work and also mention
about your masterclass as well.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Okay, and I don't believe I gave you the link to
the masterclass, but I can sendthat to you if that's helpful.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, send it to me.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Exactly, but they can find me.
My podcast is on YouTube andPodbean and it is called let's
Talk Boundaries and also I'm onInstagram called let's Talk
Boundaries and also I'm onInstagram called let's Talk
Boundaries.
But each word has that what isthat?
Underline between each one.
Yeah, and in my Facebook groupit's a private Facebook group
(25:11):
called let's Talk Boundaries,and then they can always reach
for the book.
I think I sent you for the linkof that to my e-courses.
There's a link to order thebook and I'll.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
It's too hard to say right now it's okay, just resend
it to me, send all of yoursocial media so I have it in the
notes, so people can actuallyconnect with you on that.
But I appreciate, girl.
You just gave us a fullinspirational message here and I
highly recommend you get herbook triangulation, because that
is so real it's so real it's soreal and we want to make sure
(25:44):
that the enemy don't win, butgod wins amen, amen.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
You gotta go to battle.
Go to battle and know whoyou're battling and know who's
with you exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
So.
Thank you so much, Pamela Bird,sharing your passion and your
journey with us and the purposeof being able to get through
boundaries that we set forourselves and set for others,
but getting along with eachother.
So I think anything is possible.
You just never know, but withall things, through Christ, he
(26:16):
can make it work out.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
So all things, that's right.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Exactly so.
I appreciate you coming on ourpodcast.
So until next time, keepcollaborating, keep dreaming and
remember to sprinkle joywherever you go.
Make sure you follow, share andlisten to my podcast, ready Set
.
Collaborate with Wanda Pearsonas well as on YouTube, and also
make sure you subscribe to myYouTube, ready Set.
Collaborate with Wanda Pearsonas well as on YouTube, and also
make sure you subscribe to myYouTube channel on WD Pearson
(26:40):
socials.
Or even just do Ready SetCollaborate, because we got so
many great guests, such as Pamon there, that I actually make
sure that we and I did thispodcast, these podcasts, because
I like to collaborate andcollaborating is the key to
success.
So, once again, thank you forbeing on our podcast.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
It's been a joy.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Until next time, we're going to have you on again
, because I love what you'resaying and we're going to be
writing another book next year,huh.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Bet, you know it, you know it, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
All right, honey, thanks again.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Bye audience.
That wraps up another episodeof Ready Set.
Collaborate with Wanda Pearson.
I hope you found inspirationand valuable insights to help
you build meaningful connectionsand successful collaborations.
If you enjoyed today'sconversation, be sure to
subscribe, share and stay tunedfor more great discussions.
Until next time, keepcollaborating and making an
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impact.
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