May 25, 2025 • 66 mins
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
This is Ready Set Reiki, a podcast about Reiki and
all energy work, from thecurious beginner to the seasoned
master teacher, welcoming allsystems, all lineages and all
levels.
Reiki is a journey and not adestination, and on this Ready
Set Reiki journey, I refer tomyself as a guide.
So I'm Tracy Seawright and thisis Ready Set Reiki.
Hello, my beautiful friends,welcome, it's Ready Set Reiki.
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Hello, my beautiful friends,welcome, it's Ready Set Reiki.
I'm Tracy C Wright.
Well, today, what an honor it isto have one of my favorite
guests from Germany joining meagain, but with a little bit of
a different topic.
So I invite you to enjoy thisjourney with Karen C Klein.
Now she is a trauma-informedbody therapist, energy worker,
who is shaking up traditionalnew age framework with her
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systematic approach to energywork.
Now, as a German engineer'sdaughter, she brings precision
and directness to energy healing.
Now, after discovering that herReiki attunement have blocked
her natural psychic abilities,she made it her mission to work
with human energy fields in allits 18 plus dimensions.
Now, known for drawing on her20 years of experience as a
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somatic, trauma and prenatalbody therapist, she produces
immediate, tangible resultsthrough precise healing
techniques.
Her comprehensive energyperception program teaches
practitioners and newcomers howto expand their natural
intuitive abilities usingsystematic reproducible
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protocols.
Now she's based in Germany, but, however, she has clients all
over the world.
Karen, welcome to Ready SetReiki again.
Thank you so much.
I'm so excited to be here againand wonderful, so let's begin
our journey together.
Last time we connected, youknow we spoke about the energy,
but today we're going to traveldown, also with energy, but
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another thing that is very closeto your heart, so tell our
listeners a little bit aboutyourself.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
A little bit about myself.
So I live in Germany.
A little bit about myself.
So I live in Germany, cologneSome might know this.
It's a beautiful city.
It's a very Mediterranean city,although it's quite in the
north of Europe, and, yeah, it'scalled the heart chakra of
Europe, basically.
So I really love being herebecause the, the energy is very
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much alive and beautiful andvery lovey.
So this is this is quiteimportant to me.
So, yeah, anything, anythingelse.
You already said I'm a bodytherapist, I'm a prenatal
psychologist and an energyhealer and I combine all these
three things because I see thatthis is a very good way to see
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the whole person, the wholehuman being in all its different
dimensions Maybe not all, butthe ones that I know of,
beautiful, beautiful.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
So 20 years of experience in prenatal body
therapy.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
What inspired you to begin that journey in prenatal
oh well, my body therapytraining inspired me to start
the prenatal thing.
I started the body therapy justas a hobby.
To be honest.
I started because I loveworking with my hands, I love
massaging, I love touchingpeople.
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So I started as a hobby, justlearning massages, and then it
was already like body reading.
In the beginning it wasn't justthe handling of the muscles and
the tissues and stuff.
So we had some training in bodyreading first.
So just so we knew when aclient came to us and said, oh,
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I'm having a headache, I'mhaving a difficult tense neck,
we knew, okay, the problem forthe client might be in the neck,
but it actually is in thecalves.
So we're going to start withthe calves, to start with the
calves just as an example.
And in this training we oftentalked about how our bodies
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remember everything.
So we talked about the cellmemory.
Many people know about themuscle memory.
When you learn to practice aninstrument or when you practice
sports, your muscles rememberhow to do things.
But we also have the cellmemory that goes way back to our
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very beginnings as well, justcells that we started.
As right.
This fertilized egg cell is thevery first cell that we come
from.
X cell is the very first cellthat we come from and, in this
idea of we have been babies andwe have been just cells, it was
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quite an easy bridge to build tosee.
Okay, let's talk about prenatalpsychology and then later on
talk about prenatal spirituality.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
So, yeah, this is how I went there, beautiful,
beautiful.
So those 20 years of experiencein the journey that you've had,
how aware are babies beforethey're born?
I mean, many people just thinkyou know their awareness comes
from the moment that they areborn, but is there awareness
before they leave the womb?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
yes, yes babies, and I don't want to frighten anybody
, because I I know how sensitivethis topic can be, especially
for women who are currentlypregnant or have just given
birth.
Um, so we're not you and I,we're not talking about pointing
fingers or anything.
We're just telling about ourknowledge and wisdom today,
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right?
So yes, babies are aware ofeverything and anything from the
very first moment.
So, the very first moment beingconception, how can that be?
Honestly, we don't know.
So this is where my spiritual,energetic explanation comes in,
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because psychologically wecannot explain this, because
obviously there's no brain inthe beginning.
The brain only develops inafter a few weeks, after a few
weeks, and even when the baby isborn, the brain isn't developed
totally.
We know that our brains arefinally at a stage that we can
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say it's fully developed in ourmid-20s.
So we're not talking developedbrain as a newborn baby.
As a newborn baby, yeah.
So how aware are they?
In my work, I did some prenatal.
I did and I still do someprenatal bonding, which means
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the pregnant woman, I help herto get in a deep relaxation
state, so a deep trance, to getin contact with her unborn child
.
So you yourself are a mother,right, tracy?
So you know that, as mother,you talk to your baby in the
womb all the time, but manywomen don't know how to receive
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messages back.
So talking to the baby is onething, but this is oftentimes a
one-way street and prenatalbonding is making it a two-way
street and even taking adiversion to include the father
if that's his wish.
So this is quite an importantthing to know that the father
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too can have a prenatal bondingmoment.
This is I have a few anecdotesto talk, to talk about, but yeah
, so this prenatal awareness isvery much there, because the the
women who did this prenatalbonding, there's always this,
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this very magical moment, whenthey say, oh my God, I just had
a thought.
It wasn't mine, this thoughtthat I just had comes from the
baby.
This is so magical.
And then the images develop andthe conversation unfolds, the
conversation that themother-to-be has with her unborn
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child, and it's so, it'samazing to witness, beautiful.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So I have four biological children and I was
thinking that with eachpregnancy, in the womb and then
once they were born, thatpersonality seemed to carry uh.
And for instance, I'll give youan example.
So my one daughter I waspregnant with I crave root beer
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all the time and I'm not a bigroot beer drinker, just, you
know, caffeine, no caffeine, butjust root beer, root beer, root
beer.
And then, as you know, a childand an adult, she loves root
beer, root beer, root beer.
And then, as you know, a childand an adult, she loves root
beer.
And then my son he would move alot at night, you know, he
would just be, you know.
And then when he was born, hewas this baby that, like, he had
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his days and night mixed up.
And even now he's a, you know,he's in his latter 20s, he has
this, he's up later at night andit's just so interesting that
some of those characteristics,even from things that I craved,
that I'm like what is this Like?
I don't normally like and it hadto be like a specific, like
potatoes from this particularrestaurant, you know, with no
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gravy.
And then it's just interestingseeing the child now as an adult
that like, oh yeah, I don'tlike gravy, I'm like, oh, that
was how it was.
So I just find that sointeresting how it is that that
carries over.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
It's not only preferences and aversions, like
you just gave some beautifulexamples.
It's how they perceive theworld.
It's what they know about whatis happening in the world and in
their family.
So let me just give someexamples of what some women I
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worked with have experienced.
So one had this conversationwith her baby where the baby
said you know what you need totalk to daddy he needs to clear
his conflict with granddadbefore I come to be.
And she did not know anythingabout any conflict that her
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husband had with his own father.
So she went and asked him andhe said how, how do you know
this?
I never told you about it.
And she said well, your sondoes.
So how does this baby knowabout a conflict that has been
brewing between two adults whowalk this earth for decades?
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So how can this be?
I can only have this spiritualsoul explanation, but I find
this very fascinating.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Interesting.
I have a friend here and herdaughter's name is Priscilla.
And you know, here in theUnited States when people think
of Priscilla they usually thinkof Elvis's wife.
And I had asked her well, youknow why did think of Priscilla?
They usually think of Elvis'swife.
And I had asked her well, youknow why did you choose
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Priscilla?
And she said she told me when Iwas pregnant with her and it
was just the name came to me andI'm like she's Priscilla.
So things like that can happen,you know.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
A hundred percent.
I love that example becausethis is something I tell.
Tell the women I work with askyour baby what it wants to be
named.
And some, some are reallyshocked because, um, yeah,
really, because the the namesmight not be the ones on their
preference list for theirchildren, and sometimes they
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agree to use the baby's realname as a middle name and then
they choose something from theirpreference list.
And it's so funny becausesometimes the baby says, okay,
well, yeah, all right, let's doit this way, because, yeah,
that's such a funny thing,because some babies are very
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accommodating.
So they really realize, okay,I'm this wise old soul, maybe,
who knows everything, and I'mcoming into this very human,
very aversion,preferences-driven life and so
you have a preference, you don'tlike this name, but this is my
real soul name, so please takeit.
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Somehow, let's make it themiddle name.
Maybe this is so funny, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
When my oldest was little like I'm talking, like it
can be good to talk and playwith dolls and everything was
Rose, rose, rose, rose.
What's your doll's name?
Rose, rosie.
And then as an adult, you knowof course you forget about that
and I guess we were mentioning,you know if she ever had a child
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, what the name would be.
And it came up again and I saidyou know everything that you
had.
Doll wise was named Rosie, youknow.
So just interesting that maybeshe knew that, you know.
And even when I was very young,I just knew I was going to be a
mom and I knew like two of thenames of the girls that I were
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going to have.
And I just knew from a veryyoung age and it was just like
it would say ask you know what,if you don't have a boy first,
I'm like no, I'm supposed tohave a girl, like I just knew it
from as long as I couldremember, yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah, babies know.
As I said, babies knoweverything and anything.
They're really aware of thesituation the mom is in.
So is she in a lovingrelationship or not?
Um, does she have financial umproblems?
Does she have health issues?
The baby knows about that.
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Yeah, the baby really knows.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Um, yeah, everything and anything yeah, well, that
works perfect with our nextquestion.
So what do?
What do babies remember fromtheir time in the womb?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
oh, yeah, there's.
There's quite a um, aninteresting book.
I think pemberlain is the isthe author of that um.
It was in the 90s or early2000s that he questioned moms
about what they remembered from,from pregnancy, and he talked
to four and five years old andso he talked to them separately,
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he interviewed them separatelyand really the four and five
years old could absolutelyremember anything that the moms
were telling them, like theyremembered the one time they
went on a ferry wheel, theyremember the one time mom and
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dad were fighting.
They remember the one time thatmom had a car accident.
So they really do remembereverything.
So obviously in the beginning,when they're newborn, they
cannot tell the story.
Obviously, in the beginningwhen they're newborn, they
cannot tell the story.
But as a body therapist I knowthat they can tell the story
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with their body.
So there's a beautiful exercisethat sometimes I do in trauma
therapy with moms and babies themom is laying on the floor to
feel very safe there, not on thetable, because laying on the
table you know this you'realways like am I falling down if
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I'm moving?
So they lay on the floor and welay the babies on their naked
belly and the babies in theirway of moving up, because they
always move up.
In the way they move up, in theway they roll over, in the way
they express themselves.
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In this connection, in thisskin-to-skin connection with
their mom, they're reallytelling either a prenatal story
or their birth story and youreally, when you have a schooled
eye, you can really recognize.
Okay, this was the twist theyhad when they were just passing
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the birth canal and this was themovement of the head coming out
of it and this is so amazing tosee.
So they're recounting, they'retelling the story, without words
, obviously, but children at agetwo, two and a half, three, up
to five, six ish, they can tellyou, they can tell you the
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stories, and then then it'sschool time and somehow
everything becomes more freaky,earthy at that time and they
start to forget.
Yeah.
Lest we still talk to them aboutit.
I always encourage parents totalk about their children and to
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say something like okay, youknow, my experience was do you
remember?
Maybe because when you were inmy belly or when you were in
Mama's belly, I had thisexperience.
And what do you remember?
Do you remember anything?
And if we foster this memory,they can keep it on for for
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later on.
Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
And I guess, keeping with the comment of Elvis
Presley, his daughter, I guess,after she passed Lisa Marie, her
, her daughter, riley, publisheda book and in the book it was,
you know, talking about how LisaMarie, in utero, felt like her
mother Priscilla didn't want her, like she felt that, you know,
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and that carried on into heradulthood.
So that's quite interesting.
You know just that, thinking ofthat parent that you know, hey,
I don't want this.
And the stories you knowPriscilla eating like an apple a
day to restrict her weight, andhow that affected Lisa Marie,
right, yeah, Adulthood and shestruggled with this.
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And then there's the addiction.
So it is lifelong trauma.
It is lifelong, yes, yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Absolutely, and it doesn't only affect the one
person, it affects thegenerations after, as you just
said, right, because I don'tknow if, if anybody um, I think
you know this, tracy, because wetalked about it.
Um, but maybe our audiencedoesn't know about this.
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So this, the excel that we areoriginated from, was present in
our mother body when she was aneight weeks old embryo, in the
body of our grandmother, right?
So grandmother is pregnant, thebaby in the womb is eight weeks
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old.
This baby, this embryo, this,this fetus, is at eight weeks
old.
It's a fetus.
So this fetus has egg cellsalready, and one of those egg
cells will become us.
Yeah, so we not only carry thememory of our mother's life
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until we were born no-transcript, I mean, let that sink in,
right?
Yeah, I think it's mind-blowingbecause when I think of what
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happened in my grandmother'slife when she was pregnant with
my mom, well, yeah, it was a lot, wasn't it A lot?
Speaker 2 (20:33):
And just even things with diet and, like my
grandmother, smoked because theydidn't know any better and have
some wine, and you know, therewas a time period in our history
where they had given medicationand the medication caused birth
defects.
So there's so many differentthings that have gone on that
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we've become better now, butthey went through that because
they just they didn't know anybetter yeah yeah my, my
grandmother um.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
She was one of the we call it trummer frauen, so the,
the women who built up um, justdestroyed germany, because my
mom was born in july 46, so thenaz Nazis have just been
defeated.
Germany lays in rumbles andthese women were just clearing
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up everything.
And this is how my grandmotherwas pregnant.
So yeah, yeah, oh, my goodness,quite something to remember.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
So this next question is interesting.
So how does the birth methodaffect us later in life?
So I had four C-sections in mylife and just recently I've been
learning about how that couldhave affected, or did affect, my
children being born that wayinstead of through the birth
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canal and you know things to dowith the neck and I'm just like
blew my mind.
So how does that affect themethod?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Lifelong.
So, yes, it does.
It does affect us very much so.
So let me ask you, Tracy, werethese all planned C-sections?
Were these emergency C-sections?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
So what happened was Frank Breach.
So I was headed on my way tothe baby shower and I felt a
kick from my lower back.
I thought, well, that'sinteresting.
And her little head was rightunder my ribs and it was a legs
were.
You know V shaped feet were upby her and I had only gained
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like 17 pounds and it was allbaby.
And I told my doctor I thinkthere's a head here and she's
like no, no, no, no, she's verysouthern, she's like Miss Tracy,
I don't think so.
And then I came in and we didthe ultrasound because I
wouldn't stop.
I'm like there's something.
And sure enough it's like oh,my goodness, you're gonna need a
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C section.
So that was a plan C section.
Then, with my son, I said, well, let's try for a plan C section
.
And she had said, well, if yougo into labor before then we'll
just try it that way.
But I've never experiencedlabor.
They were all Plan C sections.
They were weeks from the duedate.
So it's very controlled, yeah,yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yeah, ok, so well, first, sorry to hear that,
because I certainly believe thatyou would have preferred a
natural birth in the beginning.
So, yeah, but so let's talkabout different aspects of it.
There is some psychological andemotional effect that it has
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and there is some energeticeffect.
So let's start with theenergetic one, because this is
quite easy.
The navel chakra chakra bellybutton chakra is originates at
birth.
It's created at birth.
So the, the navy, the navelchakra governs our mobility, the
legs, anything that is um hips,knees, joints, um ankles, um
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feet, plantar fasciitis, etcetera, all these things are
governed by the navel chakra.
But also our courage and ourwill to live also is governed by
the navel chakra and the navelchakra is.
Navel chakra is, as I said,originates at birth, because
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when a baby is born naturally,the baby gives the impulse to
say okay, now, now is the time.
Um, the, the, the baby'shormonal changes give the
impulse for the whole system toum, to initiate the birthing
process and the baby pushesitself with the legs in a normal
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natural birthing process.
So this is not happening.
In any other birthing methodthe process is interrupted
somehow and in a plannedC-section it doesn't even start.
So yes, basically it willaffect the navel chakra in
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whichever way, and then there'smental, psychological and
emotional impact that it canhave.
So the planned C-section is, asyou just said, it's very
controlled.
There might not be thispersonal impulse to start
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something new.
Sure they might.
Somebody who's born with aplanned C-section might not have
this initial spark to start.
Yeah, they might always rely onauthority to decide when to
start and when to finish.
There might be, there might be,depending on when the C-section
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is planned.
So how much time before orafter the mostly it's before the
due date there might be a senseof never having enough time.
Sure, I'm not ready, I'm notfinished, I'm feeling always
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rushed, feeling pushed.
So this can have an effect indifferent life areas.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah, that's interesting, you said that.
So my third daughter her nameis Jenny and she had a planned
C-section for September 14th.
However, at the time her dadand I were living in Charleston,
south Carolina, in a placecalled Mount Pleasant, and
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Hurricane Floyd was coming and adoctor called and she said and
this is before the cell phones,this is in 1999.
So the doctor called, she saidthe Southern doctor, miss Tracy,
we're going to have to havethat baby tonight because
they're going to shut the towndown.
A hurricane's coming.
So that was an emergency oneand my plan C-section always
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been like seven in the morning.
So my daughter and my son, thefirst and second one, had the
kind of similar birth time.
Well, jenny, nope, this waseight o'clock at night and we
went in and they're in.
It was like they're starting toempty the town, they're getting
evacuated, and they said we'llhave to take you out in the
morning by ambulance becausethey're emptying out the
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hospital.
So I go in.
You know it's moving fast, it's, you know, after eight o'clock
at night.
And when they started and go tobring her out, she actually
because you know, my husband atthe time had she had a lip and
he's like look at the lip likeshe was mad, like she's like we
woke her up, she's like like shewas so, like like upset because
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it was eight o'clock at nightand it's just interesting speed
forward.
You know she will be 26 thisyear and just what you described
she feels like, you know, she'snot working hard enough or
she's being rushed and thingslike that.
So some of the things that yousaid as well, and in addition, I
have two daughters that havekind of hip issues, which you
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mentioned, and I thought, well,isn't that interesting, right?
So there you have it, how thatcan affect it, and you would
never know until someone it out,because what else was I
supposed to do?
A hurricane was coming, right,it was on its way, and just the
time in the evening where shewas all settled, and you know,
here she comes into the worldand she, she was like, and so
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the joke was the hurricane wascoming and it actually ended up
turning.
So they would say to her well,it knew you were born, so it
turned away.
So and everybody would sayyou're calling her Floydette,
you're going to name her Floyd.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
I was like no yeah, that's so funny, yeah, but
you're touching on quite asensitive topic there too,
because, um, our birthingexperience is not nobody's fault
exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
I've had people that told me that you did, like the.
I actually had somebody yearsago tell me that I had the
mcdonald's of child birthing,that it was the lazy way, and
and I was like, and this is ayoung.
I mean it was a young, well,not real young.
I mean I was married and I wasprobably about 24, 25 when
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someone said that to me and I'mlike what you know, it's like
I'm glad to have her that way.
I mean, I guess there wasthings as midwives could turn
and things.
But, um, just to think, if Iwould have had her 50, 75 or 100
years ago, I probably wouldhave died, you know at least.
Yes, and so to shame anotherwoman like that terrible out of
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my hands you know um.
It just shows you, you know yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
So I don't know how it's in in the us, but in
germany there's so much societalpressure on on young, young
mothers, um, to do everythingperfectly, to be, to be such
good mothers and and to take thevitamins and do the sports and
the pilates and the yoga and andgive birth naturally with
hypnobirthing and whatever.
Um, there's so much pressure.
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So I I really want to emphasizethat um, the way you, as a
mother, give birth is not yourfault in any way.
It's just like life happens,right, it's just the way it is
and, in the same way, the way wewere born, uh, it wasn't our
mother's fault or ourgrandmother's fault or whatever.
So I really want to emphasizethat.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah, just because it was beyond my control.
I mean, I absolutely make theinformative decision.
At the time it was yeah, wehave to do this.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
And that's just what life is and that's it, period.
There's nothing more to sayabout it.
But there are some otherbirthing methods, so maybe we
just touch on that very, veryquickly.
So there's the C-section plan,as we talked about.
There's the emergency C-section, where the baby gives the
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impulse of starting the birthingprocess, but then it's not
finished.
The impulse of starting thebirthing process, but then it's
not finished.
So these might be adults thatlater in life feel like they
start things but they cannotfinish without help from the
outside.
We can observe this quitebeautifully in children already,
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when they're building things,when they're so, let's say, two,
three years old, and they'rebuilding with the building
blocks, and then comes a momentwhen they say, oh, daddy, can
you please finish?
Or, mommy, can you help mefinish this?
Painting, painting, drawing,painting a picture, drawing a
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picture.
And then they come to mommy andsay can you help me finish this
?
Because this is, this is whatthey they did not experience the
doing the thing entirely,themselves, yeah, um, but the
this, this rushing part, andthis relying on authority can be
, can be an um, something theyexperience in adult life.
And then there's a whole list.
So there's quite quite somesome impact that it can have,
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but it definitely will affectthe, the navel chakra, as well.
And then there's the vacuum andthe and the forceps.
So this too might not be verywell known, because I know most
people think that both forcepsand vacuum are to pull the baby
out, which they're not whenthey're used correctly, in their
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intended way.
So the vacuum is to pull thebaby out, so the baby is blocked
for whatever reason, thebirthing process has stopped,
the baby does not come out.
This is when you use the vacuumto really pull the baby and
then again, as an adult, youwill have this feeling of being
pulled, of not having had thetime to finish whatever you want
(33:30):
to finish, and to being reallynot pushed in that case, but
pulled.
You might have what we as bodytherapists call a trauma site,
so you might not like or eventolerate being touched on the,
on the head or on the top ofyour head.
(33:53):
And again we have this, thisauthority problem, but a little
bit different than with thec-section, because when with the
c-section, um, it's more likeokay, this, you can realize it's
more, I needed that to survive,sure, yeah, with with the
vacuum, the, the psychologicaland emotional imprint is more a
(34:19):
resistance to authority, becausethe baby in that moment didn't
realize that, that they neededto be pulled out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And the forceps is not apulling instrument, the forceps
is a guiding instrument.
So sometimes the baby is not,is not, uh, blocked, but it
(34:42):
doesn't, just doesn't find theway through the birthing canal.
So, um, because there is thismoment where you have to to turn
your head and then turn thehead again, and then turn the
shoulder, and then you come outand in this turning and turning
and turning there, there mightbe this moment where the baby
just, yeah, loses its way, as tosay, and then you use the
(35:07):
forceps, which is like, how doyou call this thing where you
grab something with yeah.
So they grab the skull and theyguide it, they turn it, they do
not pull, they turn it.
Yeah, so it's they they grabthe skull and they guide it,
they turn it, they do not pull,they turn it.
So then again you have I doquite have quite some some
(35:30):
clients who have forceps birth,because these are people who are
looking for guidance in life.
Which way am I going?
Yeah, they need an authority totell them okay, this is going
to be your next step.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
They also used to have, here in the United States,
twilight births where theywould sedate them and then use
the force.
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm familiarwith that.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Yeah, yeah, they used to do this in the 80s.
A lot right.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I know, at least until the 60s.
They might have done it alittle bit later.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Well, I was talking a lot about the baby does it by
itself?
But obviously it does not,because obviously you know this
as a mom.
The birthing process isteamwork.
Mom and baby work together andwhen the mother is sedated, the
baby will not feel that it's incontact with the mom Right, feel
(36:37):
that it's in contact with themom Right Even with an epidural.
This can happen because the momis awake, but the baby doesn't
feel the birthing canal.
(36:57):
All the flesh surrounding thebaby in that moment is sedated,
so the baby doesn't feel thiscontact anymore.
So, yeah, that too can triggerabandonment issues in the adult
later on, Sure, and even in thechild of course, and I think the
(37:18):
twilight sleep uh technique wasdeveloped in germany.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Oh yeah, might be, might be, yeah, yeah, yeah, and
I think it was used by one ofthe queens.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
I think uh, yeah, later on they use laughing gas
yeah interesting.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
So how does prenatal bonding work, and what positive
effects can we see on both themom and baby?
Speaker 3 (37:47):
okay.
So prenatal bonding isbasically a training where the
mom learns to deeply relax,which in itself is difficult
enough, and then they are guidedto get in contact with, first,
(38:09):
their uterus.
So it's a visualization wherethey are talking to the uterus
and then they ask for permissionto mentally enter, to get in
contact with the baby.
And it's quite, quiteinteresting because the images
the moms get when they do that,um, there's, there's one very,
(38:33):
uh, classic image they get inthe beginning.
So they, they visualizeentering the uterus and then
they see themselves as very,very tiny persons and the baby
is just big, big, big, big inthe uterus.
And then with time, whenthey're used to it, the
dimensions get a better relationto what is really happening.
(38:56):
But in the beginning it'sthis's this, okay, the baby is
so big and this is just a symbolfor, um, the newness of the
role as a mother.
So I see myself as this verytiny person and and I see this
big baby and the bigresponsibilities that come with
(39:17):
it and and I don't know if I, avery small one, will be able to
handle it and all these fearsthat women have in the beginning
of their pregnancy.
And with time this changes andthen they see themselves as
adults and the babies as babies,and it's also a process that
(39:40):
the baby learns that mom isdoing this.
So the mom is really getting avery conscious contact, very
conscious and mindful contactwith the baby, and then the baby
answers and, as I said in thebeginning, there's always this
very magical moment when themama says there it was, that
(40:00):
wasn't my thought, that wasn'tmy thought, that just wasn't my
thought.
And I remember that one mom shewas a second-generation
immigrant from Morocco, so shehad dark hair and a little bit
darker skin, and her husband,her German husband, had dark
(40:22):
hair and a little bit darkerskin, and her, her husband, her
German husband, had dark hairtoo.
And she said, I don't know why,but I see my son, blonde, with
blue eyes.
This cannot be.
This, this, this cannot be.
I'm just imagining it, becausethis is how cute babies look
like and I don't know, but this,this cannot be.
And then her son was born andhe had blonde hair and blue eyes
and then realized that, um, thefather of her husband who, uh,
(40:49):
who wasn't alive at that momenthad blonde hair and blue eyes.
And so, yeah, because shealways said it just can't be,
but this is the way I see him,sure amazing and I love how you
said ask permission right of thebaby.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
so it's so important on all levels, when you're doing
that type of work, to getpermission, whether it's to a
dog, a hamster, a tree, yes, yes, and even the baby, yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
The uterus.
First, because the uterus isprotecting the baby, even from
the psyche of the mother.
So this is quite an interestingpart.
And, yes, permission of theuterus and, of course, of the
baby.
Yes, so the positive effect ofprenatal bonding is there is no
reported postpartum depression.
Good, all the women that havebeen.
(41:51):
So I did this work and I have alot of peers in Germany and it's
also I know it's taught in theUS.
It has been taught for the last10 years, I guess in the US as
well.
So this prenatal bonding workoriginates from two Hungarian
psychoanalysts who started thiswork, and so I've been trained
(42:17):
in 2006, 2006 until 2009.
I was the third class, I guess.
So they started in thebeginning of in the early 2000s.
They started to teach this inGermany.
So of all the women worldwidewho have been through this
(42:37):
process of prenatal bonding,none have postpartum depression,
which is quite amazing.
The planned C-section do nothappen because there's no need
for it, because the baby isprepared for birth.
The emergency C-section rate islike 2%, which is very, very
(43:03):
low, and mothers report thateven after birth they know
exactly what their baby needs.
So they do not have this.
Oh my God, it's crying.
What does it want?
Is it wet, is it hungry, is ittired?
They know already, because theyhave this almost telepathic
(43:26):
communication with the babyright even after after birth.
So, yeah, it's quite, it'squite amazing.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
it's quite an amazing work well, that ends our first
part of our journey together,and I'm going to guide you to
the next section, which issocial media questions and
questions from energy.
So here we go.
Number one how do environmentalfactors impact fetal
development?
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Oh, good question, Very good question.
Well, they do.
They do Because, as we said inthe beginning, the baby is aware
of everything and anything thathappens.
So and you gave some beautifulexamples Babies know their
mother's eating well.
Do their mothers have financialissues and stress about it?
Are they in a loving, supportedrelationship with the father?
(44:26):
One of my teachers, rayCastellino, an American who's
sadly deceased, he always talkedabout the double layer of
support.
So the mom is helping the babydevelop.
The mom needs support.
So, may it be, may be thepartner, the husband, uh, the
(44:46):
child's father or a friend, themother, whatever the the
mother-to-be needs support andthis person needs support.
And this person needs supportand this person needs support.
So, when they say it takes avillage to raise a child, this
(45:07):
is a little bit of this idea.
So we need to have somebodyelse take care of us.
If we take care of someone and,by the way, this goes for
energy healers as well right?
So we are taking care of ourclients, so we need somebody to
take care of us, of course,right.
So this is why, as an example,I go to see my supervisor at
(45:30):
least once a month.
Oh, yeah, yeah, just to be sure, I do my own energy work
routine every day, my energyclearing, hygiene stuff.
But I see my supervisor atleast once a month just to be
sure that I am cleared and Idon't miss any blind spots, et
(45:52):
cetera.
Just to have support, just tohave somebody who supports me,
sure.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
It's so interesting because sometimes, as healers,
you know you think you can doeverything and all, but you need
that support as well.
You're whether the energydrains as well.
So I often check in, yeah, youknow.
So, yeah, go to the otherpeople for the help and yourself
.
Well, and we were discussingthat before you know, we chatted
(46:19):
today about you know how I justkind of like taking some more
things off of my plate, you know, and that's another version of
self care Like what can I takeoff the plate here, you know, a
little bit of air out of thetires and reset a little bit.
So, perfectly fine.
I mean, pausing and redirectingdoesn't mean you're quitting
(46:40):
right.
Taking a little break doesn'tmean that either.
It's just, you know what we'regoing to reset a little bit and
get that energy back and flowing100%.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
So the fetus really, really is affected by the stress
around it because the fetus isliving in the universe womb and
the womb is living in theuniverse mother and the mother
is living in the universe father, earth, whatever, family earth,
etc.
Um, and there are quite somesome interesting um research
(47:12):
about how this affects.
I don't know if you, if you,remember this um they called it
the dutch winter um study.
There was a winter in thesecond world War where the
Netherlands were having a famine.
They didn't have anything toeat.
Yeah, quite a dark time inhistory.
(47:35):
And the babies who were bornthen were very, very likely to
develop diabetes, obesity etc.
Obesity et cetera, because theylearned that the world out
there isn't plenty, so there isnot enough food.
(47:56):
But when they were born therewas enough food and they were
able to handle, to metabolizethat food.
So this is just one example,yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yes, that food.
Yeah, so this is just oneexample.
Yeah, yes, um number two canbirthing patterns be
generational?
Speaker 3 (48:17):
oh yes, they can, absolutely so.
In prenatal bonding, what we dois prepare the baby for the
natural birthing process.
We explain everything.
So this is a section of ninesessions where we prepare the
baby and the mother to reallyemotionally say goodbye to this
(48:39):
very intense and physicalconnection that they have,
physical connection that theyhave.
And then we explain to the babyokay, when you come out, this
is what you're going to do,you're going to turn your head,
you're going to do this, you'regoing to do that.
And when you're born, it'sgoing to be cold and the lights
(49:04):
are blinding and there will bepeople around and it's going to
be loud, and just be prepared.
So, just so you know this isgoing to be loud and just be
prepared.
So, just so you know this isgoing to happen, um.
So, yeah, this is, this is apart of that.
We're preparing the baby, um toto know what is going.
What is going to happen exactly, yeah wonderful.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Well, you think about , you know, getting books and
reading and taking classes asthe adult, but to think of, oh,
to prepare and just talk thebaby it makes absolutely we talk
the baby through, right, um.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
And then in this, in this process of talking the baby
through, we also emphasize thefact that, okay, you know what
your dad was was a c-sectionbirth, but you don't have.
And I'm giving this exampleprecisely because we often think
generational is from mom to todaughter or to son, the feminine
(50:04):
line, but it can be the fatheras well.
So we really emphasize the factthat the baby knows, whichever
way the parents were born, it'snot what the baby has to do.
Sure, the baby has just tofollow its natural birthing
process because, yes, the thepatterns are generational.
(50:27):
A c-section baby often has ac-section baby yeah, well, my
mom had me.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
It was a very difficult pregnancy, you know,
with the tear and everything,and she would tell stories and
and it often kind of like oh man.
And so I gotta be honest, whenthey said, oh, we're having a
c-section, I kind of felt alittle relieved because of the
stories that she had shared withme.
You know a young mother and I'mlike gosh so, but it's
(50:58):
interesting, and my grandmother,you know, delivered natural.
So that just shows you anexample right there of how
unique it can be and just what Ihad to deal with at the time.
And honestly, I think, I thinkin my personal opinion, you know
, you think you can doeverything when you're pregnant
and I kind of was moving a hopechest and I felt her turn and so
(51:23):
I think it was what I did andnot other factors into it.
So that changed how that went.
Speaker 3 (51:30):
Yes, yes and no um, because let me just just uh,
talk about the women and couplesI treat with um when they come
to me with difficultiesconceiving.
They want to be parents, theywant to get pregnant and they
just have difficulties achievingthat.
So when they come to me, theyalways have been through
(51:54):
reproduction medicine etc.
So we know that from themedical side there is something
wrong, or there might not beanything wrong, and still they
have problems.
And the first thing that I'masking them is what do you know
about your own pregnancy?
So when your mom was pregnantwith you, what do you know about
(52:14):
that?
Some know the story, some don't.
So they they return and asktheir moms if they can, and then
they come back with 99.9percent tell a story of the
pregnancy was stressful in in away, what, whatever way that was
of the pregnancy was stressfulin a way, whatever way that was,
but the pregnancy was stressful.
So when this grown-up woman infront of me says, okay, my body
(52:39):
isn't functioning because I wantto get pregnant, I want a baby.
I can't, why can I not?
And I'm telling her okay, soyou learned.
Coming back to this cell memorything we were talking about in
the beginning.
You learned as a baby in yourmother's womb that pregnancy is
stress.
(52:59):
So what does your body do?
It prevents you from gettingstressed.
It prevents you from gettingstressed.
So the body is doing awonderful job at keeping you in
(53:23):
harmony and alive withoutputting on a stress factor on
top of it, and this alone forwomen who want to get pregnant,
this change of perspective aloneis oftentimes very, very
helpful.
And then I do some energy workon top of it, of course.
But this realization that welearned in your case, Tracy,
your body learned that pregnancyis stressful, or the birthing
(53:50):
process is stressful.
Yeah, makes sense, Right, right.
So your first daughter she knewthat about your birth, Sure,
when she was in the womb, so ina sense, we could say that she
prevented you from having thisexperience.
Yes, it is generational.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
Absolutely.
That's a pretty good example,right yeah, all right, number
three so if we're able to doenergy work on babies before
they're born, how can I, as apractitioner, modify my sessions
for a pregnant client?
Oh, beautiful question.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
So you said it yourself, tracy always ask for
permission, always, always,always.
So yes, when I read the aura,when I do energy work, of course
I'm asking for permission ofthe person in front of me.
I'm always asking for verbalpermission, unless the person is
(54:53):
in a coma or not able toexpress themselves verbally.
And then I would ask the auraof the baby is it okay to work
with you?
And generally the babies arevery willing to be worked with.
So generally, I don't I don'tknow if you have much experience
with that, tracy I myselfalways find that, even with with
(55:21):
pregnant women who do not wantto to work on their babies, but
they have.
They come with whatever issueand they said just say, okay, I
need some energy clearing.
The baby always is, is there infront of her and talking to me
first.
So I need to play with the babyfirst.
Just saying, yes, I know thatyou're there and I know that
(55:41):
you're, you're so excited to beborn, et cetera.
But now today is a session withmom, so can you, can you please
just just just wait a littlebit and relax, and I'm working
with mom first.
So this is quite, quiteinteresting.
But yeah, you can do energy.
Work on babies Always ask forpermission.
What else would I change?
(56:02):
What would you do, tracy?
Speaker 2 (56:06):
For a session.
I actually had one the otherday and when I was actually
flying back.
I was in Pittsburgh for alittle bit.
I was flying back on the planeand the baby came through.
So the ancestors did that.
But same thing as you had done,you know, just have the session.
I had the person on, like wedid it on a yoga mat on the
(56:27):
floor, you know, and session andI worked with a particular.
I'm trained in differentsystems of Reiki, so I actually
use kid Reiki and there is ameditation and it's called
experiences through theinternational center of Reiki
and it was experienced on guiltand shame this person, you know.
You know, in the session wewere working through that.
(56:50):
So that experience, I mean thesession and working with the
energy and just positiveaffirmations, things like that,
you know, focusing on thatsacral chakra, you know, feeling
of joy, happiness and so forth.
So that's usually what I do in asession and it's all you know
again, the different systems,that I learn, different styles
and that's all you know again,the different systems, that I
learned, different styles.
And that's why it's so helpfulto have this kind of contour
(57:13):
session for a client, because tobe unique and different with it
and it just matter what kind ofcame through.
So, yeah, so that's how Iapproach it as well.
Yeah, those that are strugglingto get pregnant, those that are
pregnant, yeah, if they'repregnant, you know, we do the
session where they lay on theirside, or I put a bolster up so
(57:36):
they're not laying on their backthe whole session.
Yeah, yeah, and sometimes I'llmix some prenatal yoga session
and then half of it with theprenatal yoga and then the last
30 minutes as a Reiki session.
That's so cool.
Speaker 3 (57:52):
So, yeah, what I would change as a practitioner
also is I would be very awarethat the baby is aware of
everything and anything, thatthey have a knowledge of the
history of the father's familyand the mother's family, so they
(58:14):
will have knowledge of that,and this is something that I
will work with when I work ontheir aura.
Sure, so their aura.
Of course, there will not beall the chakras, because they
haven't developed yet.
There will not be very complexenergy blocks, neither, but they
(58:34):
will have so much knowledgethat the mother will not have.
Speaker 2 (58:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (58:40):
So this is quite a dichotomy.
So the aura is quite basic, theenergy blocks will be quite
basic, but the knowledge andwisdom will be amazing.
Sure, sure, yeah, um, and whatyou just said just reminded me
of a client that I had.
Um, she came to see me becauseshe wanted to wanted to get
(59:02):
pregnant, she wanted to have ababy, and so we, we agreed on on
a package of three sessions.
I said, okay, let's start withjust energy healing.
We're going to clear any energyblocks in the way, then we're
going to have a prenatal sessionand then we're going to have a
body therapy session.
(59:22):
So let's, let's just do thisand see where it, where it takes
us from there.
And she came to see me and shewas like she just stepped out of
Vogue.
She was so elegant and she was.
Every detail of her outfit fittogether with anything else.
(59:44):
So it was just like, well, shejust came out of a photo
shooting with Vogue, but it wasjust like her.
Well, she just came out of aphoto shooting with Vogue, but
it was just like her normalbusiness outfit, sure, and then
I cleared energy blocks and Icleared one big energy block.
That is basically when yourealize, over a long period of
(01:00:05):
time, that help isn't coming.
So anything feels disempowering, you feel like you don't have
your own agency and, over alonger period of time, you feel
like, okay, nothing is going tohelp, nobody is going to help me
, nothing that I do is going tohelp.
Then this energy block emergesand it's like okay.
(01:00:27):
Then this energy block emergesand it's like okay, since
nobody's seeing how badly I am,how poorly I feel, I might just
smile to the world.
Yeah, and this is what happenedto her.
So I cleared this very bigenergy block and then just a few
little ones, but this was themost important one.
And then she did not come, shedid not show up for a second
(01:00:50):
session, oh, okay, yeah.
And then I tried to reach her,of course, because that's what
we do, right?
So, and she did not show up fora third session either.
And then she sent me a messageand she said well, I'm pregnant.
I felt pregnant the week afterour first session.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
There you go there you go.
Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
This was, this was so amazing.
Yeah, I love that yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
So it's so beneficial to get that cleared for those
blockages, shame, guilt,whatever, grief, things like
that expectation.
And one of the things that Ireminded my client is it's not
about time, it's about alignment.
So stop watching the clock,stop watching the calendar,
(01:01:35):
getting fixated on this is whenI'm ovulating, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And getting disappointed that,oh, okay, I'm not pregnant this
cycle and just live, just, it'llhappen, let it happen, go,
enjoy life, do those things,release these things go.
(01:01:58):
So yeah, cause we have thatcertain expectation by society,
right by our families, that like, oh, you get married.
Okay, when are you gettingpregnant?
Well, gosh, I've been marriedfive minutes, you know.
Yeah.
And one thing, too is it's theisolation too.
I mean, you know, my greatgrandparents had a different
experience than than I did whenI had my children it was very
(01:02:19):
isolating and I had to go andlook for those groups, you know,
in ways that, and you wouldcome home and go right into your
garage and no one was sittingon their porch anymore.
You know, they go right intotheir house and live their lives
and we, as women, are having somuch on us.
You know we have to be abreadwinner and we have to be
(01:02:40):
this and that.
And just even the guilt fromother mothers.
I had someone that said to melike I want to be a stay at home
mom.
You know, she was in themilitary, they had to travel, so
it really made no sense.
If you're only going to besomewhere for three years, why
go?
You know, just enjoy it.
And I'm like, really, and she'slike, yeah, you know, enjoy
your children.
(01:03:00):
I said I was able to be therewith my children and they're in
their 20s now and it went by insuch a flash and I spent a lot
of time with them.
But it felt like gosh, did I?
What happened?
Time?
Yeah, ain't anybody else.
I mean, everyone has adifferent path.
If you want to go and workfull-time, absolutely go, do it.
(01:03:23):
You want to be a full-time mom,do it as well, you know, and
let's just support each other.
Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Absolutely Just just support each other, that's.
That's a good, good finishingword.
Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Now, that was our last question as we were talking
.
Is there anything else that youmay have forgotten or something
that you would like to sharewith the listeners?
The floor is yours.
Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Oh good Lord.
There are so many moreanecdotes that I that I could
tell.
But yeah, maybe, maybe, just if, if anybody has a question
about prenatal psychology,prenatal spirituality, maybe?
Um, we haven't talked aboutthat much, did we Tracy
spiritual?
spirituality yeah, as you said,when you want to get pregnant
(01:04:17):
enjoy life, enjoy intimacy,enjoy, enjoy everything that you
have, be aware that your bodyis doing the right thing.
Excuse me, excuse me, throatchakra doesn't want to talk
(01:04:42):
right now, but you can also.
Oh, I'm so sorry, okay, but youcan also.
Oh, I'm so sorry, okay, but youcan also.
There we go, get in contactwith the soul of your baby.
(01:05:02):
Beautiful, yeah, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
That was just the one thing that I wanted to add yeah
, and if it makes you feel anybetter, when I was doing a
session, I had like a coughingspell as well, like it just
things were coming.
This happens as part of thework, right, it's part of the
work, yeah, and like you'll tearup, you'll cough, yeah, that's
(01:05:32):
so true.
That's so true.
So where can we find you?
So you graciously had doneanother episode.
For those that are listening toyou for the first time and will
eventually go back and listento your other episodes, where
can they find you if they'reinterested in having a session
with you?
We said in your uh little introthat you are all over the world
(01:05:53):
, clients all over the world.
So have you have a website,instagram?
Where can we find you?
Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
I do have a website, but it's still just in german,
so contact me via instagram.
That's the easiest way you cansubscribe to my, to my new sub
stack.
I started I started a sub stackso you can.
You can join me there as well,but instagram is, I think, the
easiest.
Perfect, perfect, yeah allright.
Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Well, thank you, karen, for joining me on this
journey.
So thank you so much wonderful.
So thank you, my wonderfullisteners.
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transcript Emily Beynon.
This is Ready Set Reiki, a podcast about Reiki and
all energy work, from thecurious beginner to the seasoned
master teacher, welcoming allsystems, all lineages and all
levels.
Reiki is a journey and not adestination, and on this Ready
Set Reiki journey, I refer tomyself as a guide.
So I'm Tracy Seawright and thisis Ready Set Reiki.
Hello, my beautiful friends,welcome, it's Ready Set Reiki.
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Hello, my beautiful friends,welcome, it's Ready Set Reiki.
I'm Tracy C Wright.
Well, today, what an honor it isto have one of my favorite
guests from Germany joining meagain, but with a little bit of
a different topic.
So I invite you to enjoy thisjourney with Karen C Klein.
Now she is a trauma-informedbody therapist, energy worker,
who is shaking up traditionalnew age framework with her
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systematic approach to energywork.
Now, as a German engineer'sdaughter, she brings precision
and directness to energy healing.
Now, after discovering that herReiki attunement have blocked
her natural psychic abilities,she made it her mission to work
with human energy fields in allits 18 plus dimensions.
Now, known for drawing on her20 years of experience as a
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somatic, trauma and prenatalbody therapist, she produces
immediate, tangible resultsthrough precise healing
techniques.
Her comprehensive energyperception program teaches
practitioners and newcomers howto expand their natural
intuitive abilities usingsystematic reproducible
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protocols.
Now she's based in Germany, but, however, she has clients all
over the world.
Karen, welcome to Ready SetReiki again.
Thank you so much.
I'm so excited to be here againand wonderful, so let's begin
our journey together.
Last time we connected, youknow we spoke about the energy,
but today we're going to traveldown, also with energy, but
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another thing that is very closeto your heart, so tell our
listeners a little bit aboutyourself.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
A little bit about myself.
So I live in Germany.
A little bit about myself.
So I live in Germany, cologneSome might know this.
It's a beautiful city.
It's a very Mediterranean city,although it's quite in the
north of Europe, and, yeah, it'scalled the heart chakra of
Europe, basically.
So I really love being herebecause the, the energy is very
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much alive and beautiful andvery lovey.
So this is this is quiteimportant to me.
So, yeah, anything, anythingelse.
You already said I'm a bodytherapist, I'm a prenatal
psychologist and an energyhealer and I combine all these
three things because I see thatthis is a very good way to see
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the whole person, the wholehuman being in all its different
dimensions Maybe not all, butthe ones that I know of,
beautiful, beautiful.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
So 20 years of experience in prenatal body
therapy.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
What inspired you to begin that journey in prenatal
oh well, my body therapytraining inspired me to start
the prenatal thing.
I started the body therapy justas a hobby.
To be honest.
I started because I loveworking with my hands, I love
massaging, I love touchingpeople.
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So I started as a hobby, justlearning massages, and then it
was already like body reading.
In the beginning it wasn't justthe handling of the muscles and
the tissues and stuff.
So we had some training in bodyreading first.
So just so we knew when aclient came to us and said, oh,
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I'm having a headache, I'mhaving a difficult tense neck,
we knew, okay, the problem forthe client might be in the neck,
but it actually is in thecalves.
So we're going to start withthe calves, to start with the
calves just as an example.
And in this training we oftentalked about how our bodies
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remember everything.
So we talked about the cellmemory.
Many people know about themuscle memory.
When you learn to practice aninstrument or when you practice
sports, your muscles rememberhow to do things.
But we also have the cellmemory that goes way back to our
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very beginnings as well, justcells that we started.
As right.
This fertilized egg cell is thevery first cell that we come
from.
X cell is the very first cellthat we come from and, in this
idea of we have been babies andwe have been just cells, it was
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quite an easy bridge to build tosee.
Okay, let's talk about prenatalpsychology and then later on
talk about prenatal spirituality.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
So, yeah, this is how I went there, beautiful,
beautiful.
So those 20 years of experiencein the journey that you've had,
how aware are babies beforethey're born?
I mean, many people just thinkyou know their awareness comes
from the moment that they areborn, but is there awareness
before they leave the womb?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
yes, yes babies, and I don't want to frighten anybody
, because I I know how sensitivethis topic can be, especially
for women who are currentlypregnant or have just given
birth.
Um, so we're not you and I,we're not talking about pointing
fingers or anything.
We're just telling about ourknowledge and wisdom today,
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right?
So yes, babies are aware ofeverything and anything from the
very first moment.
So, the very first moment beingconception, how can that be?
Honestly, we don't know.
So this is where my spiritual,energetic explanation comes in,
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because psychologically wecannot explain this, because
obviously there's no brain inthe beginning.
The brain only develops inafter a few weeks, after a few
weeks, and even when the baby isborn, the brain isn't developed
totally.
We know that our brains arefinally at a stage that we can
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say it's fully developed in ourmid-20s.
So we're not talking developedbrain as a newborn baby.
As a newborn baby, yeah.
So how aware are they?
In my work, I did some prenatal.
I did and I still do someprenatal bonding, which means
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the pregnant woman, I help herto get in a deep relaxation
state, so a deep trance, to getin contact with her unborn child
.
So you yourself are a mother,right, tracy?
So you know that, as mother,you talk to your baby in the
womb all the time, but manywomen don't know how to receive
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messages back.
So talking to the baby is onething, but this is oftentimes a
one-way street and prenatalbonding is making it a two-way
street and even taking adiversion to include the father
if that's his wish.
So this is quite an importantthing to know that the father
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too can have a prenatal bondingmoment.
This is I have a few anecdotesto talk, to talk about, but yeah
, so this prenatal awareness isvery much there, because the the
women who did this prenatalbonding, there's always this,
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this very magical moment, whenthey say, oh my God, I just had
a thought.
It wasn't mine, this thoughtthat I just had comes from the
baby.
This is so magical.
And then the images develop andthe conversation unfolds, the
conversation that themother-to-be has with her unborn
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child, and it's so, it'samazing to witness, beautiful.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So I have four biological children and I was
thinking that with eachpregnancy, in the womb and then
once they were born, thatpersonality seemed to carry uh.
And for instance, I'll give youan example.
So my one daughter I waspregnant with I crave root beer
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all the time and I'm not a bigroot beer drinker, just, you
know, caffeine, no caffeine, butjust root beer, root beer, root
beer.
And then, as you know, a childand an adult, she loves root
beer, root beer, root beer.
And then, as you know, a childand an adult, she loves root
beer.
And then my son he would move alot at night, you know, he
would just be, you know.
And then when he was born, hewas this baby that, like, he had
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his days and night mixed up.
And even now he's a, you know,he's in his latter 20s, he has
this, he's up later at night andit's just so interesting that
some of those characteristics,even from things that I craved,
that I'm like what is this Like?
I don't normally like and it hadto be like a specific, like
potatoes from this particularrestaurant, you know, with no
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gravy.
And then it's just interestingseeing the child now as an adult
that like, oh yeah, I don'tlike gravy, I'm like, oh, that
was how it was.
So I just find that sointeresting how it is that that
carries over.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
It's not only preferences and aversions, like
you just gave some beautifulexamples.
It's how they perceive theworld.
It's what they know about whatis happening in the world and in
their family.
So let me just give someexamples of what some women I
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worked with have experienced.
So one had this conversationwith her baby where the baby
said you know what you need totalk to daddy he needs to clear
his conflict with granddadbefore I come to be.
And she did not know anythingabout any conflict that her
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husband had with his own father.
So she went and asked him andhe said how, how do you know
this?
I never told you about it.
And she said well, your sondoes.
So how does this baby knowabout a conflict that has been
brewing between two adults whowalk this earth for decades?
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So how can this be?
I can only have this spiritualsoul explanation, but I find
this very fascinating.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Interesting.
I have a friend here and herdaughter's name is Priscilla.
And you know, here in theUnited States when people think
of Priscilla they usually thinkof Elvis's wife.
And I had asked her well, youknow why did think of Priscilla?
They usually think of Elvis'swife.
And I had asked her well, youknow why did you choose
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Priscilla?
And she said she told me when Iwas pregnant with her and it
was just the name came to me andI'm like she's Priscilla.
So things like that can happen,you know.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
A hundred percent.
I love that example becausethis is something I tell.
Tell the women I work with askyour baby what it wants to be
named.
And some, some are reallyshocked because, um, yeah,
really, because the the namesmight not be the ones on their
preference list for theirchildren, and sometimes they
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agree to use the baby's realname as a middle name and then
they choose something from theirpreference list.
And it's so funny becausesometimes the baby says, okay,
well, yeah, all right, let's doit this way, because, yeah,
that's such a funny thing,because some babies are very
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accommodating.
So they really realize, okay,I'm this wise old soul, maybe,
who knows everything, and I'mcoming into this very human,
very aversion,preferences-driven life and so
you have a preference, you don'tlike this name, but this is my
real soul name, so please takeit.
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Somehow, let's make it themiddle name.
Maybe this is so funny, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
When my oldest was little like I'm talking, like it
can be good to talk and playwith dolls and everything was
Rose, rose, rose, rose.
What's your doll's name?
Rose, rosie.
And then as an adult, you knowof course you forget about that
and I guess we were mentioning,you know if she ever had a child
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, what the name would be.
And it came up again and I saidyou know everything that you
had.
Doll wise was named Rosie, youknow.
So just interesting that maybeshe knew that, you know.
And even when I was very young,I just knew I was going to be a
mom and I knew like two of thenames of the girls that I were
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going to have.
And I just knew from a veryyoung age and it was just like
it would say ask you know what,if you don't have a boy first,
I'm like no, I'm supposed tohave a girl, like I just knew it
from as long as I couldremember, yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah, babies know.
As I said, babies knoweverything and anything.
They're really aware of thesituation the mom is in.
So is she in a lovingrelationship or not?
Um, does she have financial umproblems?
Does she have health issues?
The baby knows about that.
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Yeah, the baby really knows.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Um, yeah, everything and anything yeah, well, that
works perfect with our nextquestion.
So what do?
What do babies remember fromtheir time in the womb?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
oh, yeah, there's.
There's quite a um, aninteresting book.
I think pemberlain is the isthe author of that um.
It was in the 90s or early2000s that he questioned moms
about what they remembered from,from pregnancy, and he talked
to four and five years old andso he talked to them separately,
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he interviewed them separatelyand really the four and five
years old could absolutelyremember anything that the moms
were telling them, like theyremembered the one time they
went on a ferry wheel, theyremember the one time mom and
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dad were fighting.
They remember the one time thatmom had a car accident.
So they really do remembereverything.
So obviously in the beginning,when they're newborn, they
cannot tell the story.
Obviously, in the beginningwhen they're newborn, they
cannot tell the story.
But as a body therapist I knowthat they can tell the story
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with their body.
So there's a beautiful exercisethat sometimes I do in trauma
therapy with moms and babies themom is laying on the floor to
feel very safe there, not on thetable, because laying on the
table you know this you'realways like am I falling down if
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I'm moving?
So they lay on the floor and welay the babies on their naked
belly and the babies in theirway of moving up, because they
always move up.
In the way they move up, in theway they roll over, in the way
they express themselves.
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In this connection, in thisskin-to-skin connection with
their mom, they're reallytelling either a prenatal story
or their birth story and youreally, when you have a schooled
eye, you can really recognize.
Okay, this was the twist theyhad when they were just passing
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the birth canal and this was themovement of the head coming out
of it and this is so amazing tosee.
So they're recounting, they'retelling the story, without words
, obviously, but children at agetwo, two and a half, three, up
to five, six ish, they can tellyou, they can tell you the
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stories, and then then it'sschool time and somehow
everything becomes more freaky,earthy at that time and they
start to forget.
Yeah.
Lest we still talk to them aboutit.
I always encourage parents totalk about their children and to
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say something like okay, youknow, my experience was do you
remember?
Maybe because when you were inmy belly or when you were in
Mama's belly, I had thisexperience.
And what do you remember?
Do you remember anything?
And if we foster this memory,they can keep it on for for
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later on.
Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
And I guess, keeping with the comment of Elvis
Presley, his daughter, I guess,after she passed Lisa Marie, her
, her daughter, riley, publisheda book and in the book it was,
you know, talking about how LisaMarie, in utero, felt like her
mother Priscilla didn't want her, like she felt that, you know,
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and that carried on into heradulthood.
So that's quite interesting.
You know just that, thinking ofthat parent that you know, hey,
I don't want this.
And the stories you knowPriscilla eating like an apple a
day to restrict her weight, andhow that affected Lisa Marie,
right, yeah, Adulthood and shestruggled with this.
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And then there's the addiction.
So it is lifelong trauma.
It is lifelong, yes, yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Absolutely, and it doesn't only affect the one
person, it affects thegenerations after, as you just
said, right, because I don'tknow if, if anybody um, I think
you know this, tracy, because wetalked about it.
Um, but maybe our audiencedoesn't know about this.
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So this, the excel that we areoriginated from, was present in
our mother body when she was aneight weeks old embryo, in the
body of our grandmother, right?
So grandmother is pregnant, thebaby in the womb is eight weeks
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old.
This baby, this embryo, this,this fetus, is at eight weeks
old.
It's a fetus.
So this fetus has egg cellsalready, and one of those egg
cells will become us.
Yeah, so we not only carry thememory of our mother's life
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until we were born no-transcript, I mean, let that sink in,
right?
Yeah, I think it's mind-blowingbecause when I think of what
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happened in my grandmother'slife when she was pregnant with
my mom, well, yeah, it was a lot, wasn't it A lot?
Speaker 2 (20:33):
And just even things with diet and, like my
grandmother, smoked because theydidn't know any better and have
some wine, and you know, therewas a time period in our history
where they had given medicationand the medication caused birth
defects.
So there's so many differentthings that have gone on that
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we've become better now, butthey went through that because
they just they didn't know anybetter yeah yeah my, my
grandmother um.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
She was one of the we call it trummer frauen, so the,
the women who built up um, justdestroyed germany, because my
mom was born in july 46, so thenaz Nazis have just been
defeated.
Germany lays in rumbles andthese women were just clearing
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up everything.
And this is how my grandmotherwas pregnant.
So yeah, yeah, oh, my goodness,quite something to remember.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
So this next question is interesting.
So how does the birth methodaffect us later in life?
So I had four C-sections in mylife and just recently I've been
learning about how that couldhave affected, or did affect, my
children being born that wayinstead of through the birth
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canal and you know things to dowith the neck and I'm just like
blew my mind.
So how does that affect themethod?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Lifelong.
So, yes, it does.
It does affect us very much so.
So let me ask you, Tracy, werethese all planned C-sections?
Were these emergency C-sections?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
So what happened was Frank Breach.
So I was headed on my way tothe baby shower and I felt a
kick from my lower back.
I thought, well, that'sinteresting.
And her little head was rightunder my ribs and it was a legs
were.
You know V shaped feet were upby her and I had only gained
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like 17 pounds and it was allbaby.
And I told my doctor I thinkthere's a head here and she's
like no, no, no, no, she's verysouthern, she's like Miss Tracy,
I don't think so.
And then I came in and we didthe ultrasound because I
wouldn't stop.
I'm like there's something.
And sure enough it's like oh,my goodness, you're gonna need a
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C section.
So that was a plan C section.
Then, with my son, I said, well, let's try for a plan C section
.
And she had said, well, if yougo into labor before then we'll
just try it that way.
But I've never experiencedlabor.
They were all Plan C sections.
They were weeks from the duedate.
So it's very controlled, yeah,yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yeah, ok, so well, first, sorry to hear that,
because I certainly believe thatyou would have preferred a
natural birth in the beginning.
So, yeah, but so let's talkabout different aspects of it.
There is some psychological andemotional effect that it has
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and there is some energeticeffect.
So let's start with theenergetic one, because this is
quite easy.
The navel chakra chakra bellybutton chakra is originates at
birth.
It's created at birth.
So the, the navy, the navelchakra governs our mobility, the
legs, anything that is um hips,knees, joints, um ankles, um
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feet, plantar fasciitis, etcetera, all these things are
governed by the navel chakra.
But also our courage and ourwill to live also is governed by
the navel chakra and the navelchakra is.
Navel chakra is, as I said,originates at birth, because
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when a baby is born naturally,the baby gives the impulse to
say okay, now, now is the time.
Um, the, the, the baby'shormonal changes give the
impulse for the whole system toum, to initiate the birthing
process and the baby pushesitself with the legs in a normal
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natural birthing process.
So this is not happening.
In any other birthing methodthe process is interrupted
somehow and in a plannedC-section it doesn't even start.
So yes, basically it willaffect the navel chakra in
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whichever way, and then there'smental, psychological and
emotional impact that it canhave.
So the planned C-section is, asyou just said, it's very
controlled.
There might not be thispersonal impulse to start
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something new.
Sure they might.
Somebody who's born with aplanned C-section might not have
this initial spark to start.
Yeah, they might always rely onauthority to decide when to
start and when to finish.
There might be, there might be,depending on when the C-section
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is planned.
So how much time before orafter the mostly it's before the
due date there might be a senseof never having enough time.
Sure, I'm not ready, I'm notfinished, I'm feeling always
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rushed, feeling pushed.
So this can have an effect indifferent life areas.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah, that's interesting, you said that.
So my third daughter her nameis Jenny and she had a planned
C-section for September 14th.
However, at the time her dadand I were living in Charleston,
south Carolina, in a placecalled Mount Pleasant, and
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Hurricane Floyd was coming and adoctor called and she said and
this is before the cell phones,this is in 1999.
So the doctor called, she saidthe Southern doctor, miss Tracy,
we're going to have to havethat baby tonight because
they're going to shut the towndown.
A hurricane's coming.
So that was an emergency oneand my plan C-section always
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been like seven in the morning.
So my daughter and my son, thefirst and second one, had the
kind of similar birth time.
Well, jenny, nope, this waseight o'clock at night and we
went in and they're in.
It was like they're starting toempty the town, they're getting
evacuated, and they said we'llhave to take you out in the
morning by ambulance becausethey're emptying out the
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hospital.
So I go in.
You know it's moving fast, it's, you know, after eight o'clock
at night.
And when they started and go tobring her out, she actually
because you know, my husband atthe time had she had a lip and
he's like look at the lip likeshe was mad, like she's like we
woke her up, she's like like shewas so, like like upset because
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it was eight o'clock at nightand it's just interesting speed
forward.
You know she will be 26 thisyear and just what you described
she feels like, you know, she'snot working hard enough or
she's being rushed and thingslike that.
So some of the things that yousaid as well, and in addition, I
have two daughters that havekind of hip issues, which you
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mentioned, and I thought, well,isn't that interesting, right?
So there you have it, how thatcan affect it, and you would
never know until someone it out,because what else was I
supposed to do?
A hurricane was coming, right,it was on its way, and just the
time in the evening where shewas all settled, and you know,
here she comes into the worldand she, she was like, and so
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the joke was the hurricane wascoming and it actually ended up
turning.
So they would say to her well,it knew you were born, so it
turned away.
So and everybody would sayyou're calling her Floydette,
you're going to name her Floyd.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
I was like no yeah, that's so funny, yeah, but
you're touching on quite asensitive topic there too,
because, um, our birthingexperience is not nobody's fault
exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
I've had people that told me that you did, like the.
I actually had somebody yearsago tell me that I had the
mcdonald's of child birthing,that it was the lazy way, and
and I was like, and this is ayoung.
I mean it was a young, well,not real young.
I mean I was married and I wasprobably about 24, 25 when
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someone said that to me and I'mlike what you know, it's like
I'm glad to have her that way.
I mean, I guess there wasthings as midwives could turn
and things.
But, um, just to think, if Iwould have had her 50, 75 or 100
years ago, I probably wouldhave died, you know at least.
Yes, and so to shame anotherwoman like that terrible out of
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my hands you know um.
It just shows you, you know yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
So I don't know how it's in in the us, but in
germany there's so much societalpressure on on young, young
mothers, um, to do everythingperfectly, to be, to be such
good mothers and and to take thevitamins and do the sports and
the pilates and the yoga and andgive birth naturally with
hypnobirthing and whatever.
Um, there's so much pressure.
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So I I really want to emphasizethat um, the way you, as a
mother, give birth is not yourfault in any way.
It's just like life happens,right, it's just the way it is
and, in the same way, the way wewere born, uh, it wasn't our
mother's fault or ourgrandmother's fault or whatever.
So I really want to emphasizethat.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah, just because it was beyond my control.
I mean, I absolutely make theinformative decision.
At the time it was yeah, wehave to do this.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
And that's just what life is and that's it, period.
There's nothing more to sayabout it.
But there are some otherbirthing methods, so maybe we
just touch on that very, veryquickly.
So there's the C-section plan,as we talked about.
There's the emergency C-section, where the baby gives the
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impulse of starting the birthingprocess, but then it's not
finished.
The impulse of starting thebirthing process, but then it's
not finished.
So these might be adults thatlater in life feel like they
start things but they cannotfinish without help from the
outside.
We can observe this quitebeautifully in children already,
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when they're building things,when they're so, let's say, two,
three years old, and they'rebuilding with the building
blocks, and then comes a momentwhen they say, oh, daddy, can
you please finish?
Or, mommy, can you help mefinish this?
Painting, painting, drawing,painting a picture, drawing a
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picture.
And then they come to mommy andsay can you help me finish this
?
Because this is, this is whatthey they did not experience the
doing the thing entirely,themselves, yeah, um, but the
this, this rushing part, andthis relying on authority can be
, can be an um, something theyexperience in adult life.
And then there's a whole list.
So there's quite quite somesome impact that it can have,
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but it definitely will affectthe, the navel chakra, as well.
And then there's the vacuum andthe and the forceps.
So this too might not be verywell known, because I know most
people think that both forcepsand vacuum are to pull the baby
out, which they're not whenthey're used correctly, in their
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intended way.
So the vacuum is to pull thebaby out, so the baby is blocked
for whatever reason, thebirthing process has stopped,
the baby does not come out.
This is when you use the vacuumto really pull the baby and
then again, as an adult, youwill have this feeling of being
pulled, of not having had thetime to finish whatever you want
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to finish, and to being reallynot pushed in that case, but
pulled.
You might have what we as bodytherapists call a trauma site,
so you might not like or eventolerate being touched on the,
on the head or on the top ofyour head.
(33:53):
And again we have this, thisauthority problem, but a little
bit different than with thec-section, because when with the
c-section, um, it's more likeokay, this, you can realize it's
more, I needed that to survive,sure, yeah, with with the
vacuum, the, the psychologicaland emotional imprint is more a
(34:19):
resistance to authority, becausethe baby in that moment didn't
realize that, that they neededto be pulled out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And the forceps is not apulling instrument, the forceps
is a guiding instrument.
So sometimes the baby is not,is not, uh, blocked, but it
(34:42):
doesn't, just doesn't find theway through the birthing canal.
So, um, because there is thismoment where you have to to turn
your head and then turn thehead again, and then turn the
shoulder, and then you come outand in this turning and turning
and turning there, there mightbe this moment where the baby
just, yeah, loses its way, as tosay, and then you use the
(35:07):
forceps, which is like, how doyou call this thing where you
grab something with yeah.
So they grab the skull and theyguide it, they turn it, they do
not pull, they turn it.
Yeah, so it's they they grabthe skull and they guide it,
they turn it, they do not pull,they turn it.
So then again you have I doquite have quite some some
(35:30):
clients who have forceps birth,because these are people who are
looking for guidance in life.
Which way am I going?
Yeah, they need an authority totell them okay, this is going
to be your next step.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
They also used to have, here in the United States,
twilight births where theywould sedate them and then use
the force.
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm familiarwith that.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Yeah, yeah, they used to do this in the 80s.
A lot right.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I know, at least until the 60s.
They might have done it alittle bit later.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Well, I was talking a lot about the baby does it by
itself?
But obviously it does not,because obviously you know this
as a mom.
The birthing process isteamwork.
Mom and baby work together andwhen the mother is sedated, the
baby will not feel that it's incontact with the mom Right, feel
(36:37):
that it's in contact with themom Right Even with an epidural.
This can happen because the momis awake, but the baby doesn't
feel the birthing canal.
(36:57):
All the flesh surrounding thebaby in that moment is sedated,
so the baby doesn't feel thiscontact anymore.
So, yeah, that too can triggerabandonment issues in the adult
later on, Sure, and even in thechild of course, and I think the
(37:18):
twilight sleep uh technique wasdeveloped in germany.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Oh yeah, might be, might be, yeah, yeah, yeah, and
I think it was used by one ofthe queens.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
I think uh, yeah, later on they use laughing gas
yeah interesting.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
So how does prenatal bonding work, and what positive
effects can we see on both themom and baby?
Speaker 3 (37:47):
okay.
So prenatal bonding isbasically a training where the
mom learns to deeply relax,which in itself is difficult
enough, and then they are guidedto get in contact with, first,
(38:09):
their uterus.
So it's a visualization wherethey are talking to the uterus
and then they ask for permissionto mentally enter, to get in
contact with the baby.
And it's quite, quiteinteresting because the images
the moms get when they do that,um, there's, there's one very,
(38:33):
uh, classic image they get inthe beginning.
So they, they visualizeentering the uterus and then
they see themselves as very,very tiny persons and the baby
is just big, big, big, big inthe uterus.
And then with time, whenthey're used to it, the
dimensions get a better relationto what is really happening.
(38:56):
But in the beginning it'sthis's this, okay, the baby is
so big and this is just a symbolfor, um, the newness of the
role as a mother.
So I see myself as this verytiny person and and I see this
big baby and the bigresponsibilities that come with
(39:17):
it and and I don't know if I, avery small one, will be able to
handle it and all these fearsthat women have in the beginning
of their pregnancy.
And with time this changes andthen they see themselves as
adults and the babies as babies,and it's also a process that
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the baby learns that mom isdoing this.
So the mom is really getting avery conscious contact, very
conscious and mindful contactwith the baby, and then the baby
answers and, as I said in thebeginning, there's always this
very magical moment when themama says there it was, that
(40:00):
wasn't my thought, that wasn'tmy thought, that just wasn't my
thought.
And I remember that one mom shewas a second-generation
immigrant from Morocco, so shehad dark hair and a little bit
darker skin, and her husband,her German husband, had dark
(40:22):
hair and a little bit darkerskin, and her, her husband, her
German husband, had dark hairtoo.
And she said, I don't know why,but I see my son, blonde, with
blue eyes.
This cannot be.
This, this, this cannot be.
I'm just imagining it, becausethis is how cute babies look
like and I don't know, but this,this cannot be.
And then her son was born andhe had blonde hair and blue eyes
and then realized that, um, thefather of her husband who, uh,
(40:49):
who wasn't alive at that momenthad blonde hair and blue eyes.
And so, yeah, because shealways said it just can't be,
but this is the way I see him,sure amazing and I love how you
said ask permission right of thebaby.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
so it's so important on all levels, when you're doing
that type of work, to getpermission, whether it's to a
dog, a hamster, a tree, yes, yes, and even the baby, yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
The uterus.
First, because the uterus isprotecting the baby, even from
the psyche of the mother.
So this is quite an interestingpart.
And, yes, permission of theuterus and, of course, of the
baby.
Yes, so the positive effect ofprenatal bonding is there is no
reported postpartum depression.
Good, all the women that havebeen.
(41:51):
So I did this work and I have alot of peers in Germany and it's
also I know it's taught in theUS.
It has been taught for the last10 years, I guess in the US as
well.
So this prenatal bonding workoriginates from two Hungarian
psychoanalysts who started thiswork, and so I've been trained
(42:17):
in 2006, 2006 until 2009.
I was the third class, I guess.
So they started in thebeginning of in the early 2000s.
They started to teach this inGermany.
So of all the women worldwidewho have been through this
(42:37):
process of prenatal bonding,none have postpartum depression,
which is quite amazing.
The planned C-section do nothappen because there's no need
for it, because the baby isprepared for birth.
The emergency C-section rate islike 2%, which is very, very
(43:03):
low, and mothers report thateven after birth they know
exactly what their baby needs.
So they do not have this.
Oh my God, it's crying.
What does it want?
Is it wet, is it hungry, is ittired?
They know already, because theyhave this almost telepathic
(43:26):
communication with the babyright even after after birth.
So, yeah, it's quite, it'squite amazing.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
it's quite an amazing work well, that ends our first
part of our journey together,and I'm going to guide you to
the next section, which issocial media questions and
questions from energy.
So here we go.
Number one how do environmentalfactors impact fetal
development?
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Oh, good question, Very good question.
Well, they do.
They do Because, as we said inthe beginning, the baby is aware
of everything and anything thathappens.
So and you gave some beautifulexamples Babies know their
mother's eating well.
Do their mothers have financialissues and stress about it?
Are they in a loving, supportedrelationship with the father?
(44:26):
One of my teachers, rayCastellino, an American who's
sadly deceased, he always talkedabout the double layer of
support.
So the mom is helping the babydevelop.
The mom needs support.
So, may it be, may be thepartner, the husband, uh, the
(44:46):
child's father or a friend, themother, whatever the the
mother-to-be needs support andthis person needs support.
And this person needs supportand this person needs support.
So, when they say it takes avillage to raise a child, this
(45:07):
is a little bit of this idea.
So we need to have somebodyelse take care of us.
If we take care of someone and,by the way, this goes for
energy healers as well right?
So we are taking care of ourclients, so we need somebody to
take care of us, of course,right.
So this is why, as an example,I go to see my supervisor at
(45:30):
least once a month.
Oh, yeah, yeah, just to be sure, I do my own energy work
routine every day, my energyclearing, hygiene stuff.
But I see my supervisor atleast once a month just to be
sure that I am cleared and Idon't miss any blind spots, et
(45:52):
cetera.
Just to have support, just tohave somebody who supports me,
sure.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
It's so interesting because sometimes, as healers,
you know you think you can doeverything and all, but you need
that support as well.
You're whether the energydrains as well.
So I often check in, yeah, youknow.
So, yeah, go to the otherpeople for the help and yourself
.
Well, and we were discussingthat before you know, we chatted
(46:19):
today about you know how I justkind of like taking some more
things off of my plate, you know, and that's another version of
self care Like what can I takeoff the plate here, you know, a
little bit of air out of thetires and reset a little bit.
So, perfectly fine.
I mean, pausing and redirectingdoesn't mean you're quitting
(46:40):
right.
Taking a little break doesn'tmean that either.
It's just, you know what we'regoing to reset a little bit and
get that energy back and flowing100%.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
So the fetus really, really is affected by the stress
around it because the fetus isliving in the universe womb and
the womb is living in theuniverse mother and the mother
is living in the universe father, earth, whatever, family earth,
etc.
Um, and there are quite somesome interesting um research
(47:12):
about how this affects.
I don't know if you, if you,remember this um they called it
the dutch winter um study.
There was a winter in thesecond world War where the
Netherlands were having a famine.
They didn't have anything toeat.
Yeah, quite a dark time inhistory.
(47:35):
And the babies who were bornthen were very, very likely to
develop diabetes, obesity etc.
Obesity et cetera, because theylearned that the world out
there isn't plenty, so there isnot enough food.
(47:56):
But when they were born therewas enough food and they were
able to handle, to metabolizethat food.
So this is just one example,yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yes, that food.
Yeah, so this is just oneexample.
Yeah, yes, um number two canbirthing patterns be
generational?
Speaker 3 (48:17):
oh yes, they can, absolutely so.
In prenatal bonding, what we dois prepare the baby for the
natural birthing process.
We explain everything.
So this is a section of ninesessions where we prepare the
baby and the mother to reallyemotionally say goodbye to this
(48:39):
very intense and physicalconnection that they have,
physical connection that theyhave.
And then we explain to the babyokay, when you come out, this
is what you're going to do,you're going to turn your head,
you're going to do this, you'regoing to do that.
And when you're born, it'sgoing to be cold and the lights
(49:04):
are blinding and there will bepeople around and it's going to
be loud, and just be prepared.
So, just so you know this isgoing to be loud and just be
prepared.
So, just so you know this isgoing to happen, um.
So, yeah, this is, this is apart of that.
We're preparing the baby, um toto know what is going.
What is going to happen exactly, yeah wonderful.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Well, you think about , you know, getting books and
reading and taking classes asthe adult, but to think of, oh,
to prepare and just talk thebaby it makes absolutely we talk
the baby through, right, um.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
And then in this, in this process of talking the baby
through, we also emphasize thefact that, okay, you know what
your dad was was a c-sectionbirth, but you don't have.
And I'm giving this exampleprecisely because we often think
generational is from mom to todaughter or to son, the feminine
(50:04):
line, but it can be the fatheras well.
So we really emphasize the factthat the baby knows, whichever
way the parents were born, it'snot what the baby has to do.
Sure, the baby has just tofollow its natural birthing
process because, yes, the thepatterns are generational.
(50:27):
A c-section baby often has ac-section baby yeah, well, my
mom had me.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
It was a very difficult pregnancy, you know,
with the tear and everything,and she would tell stories and
and it often kind of like oh man.
And so I gotta be honest, whenthey said, oh, we're having a
c-section, I kind of felt alittle relieved because of the
stories that she had shared withme.
You know a young mother and I'mlike gosh so, but it's
(50:58):
interesting, and my grandmother,you know, delivered natural.
So that just shows you anexample right there of how
unique it can be and just what Ihad to deal with at the time.
And honestly, I think, I thinkin my personal opinion, you know
, you think you can doeverything when you're pregnant
and I kind of was moving a hopechest and I felt her turn and so
(51:23):
I think it was what I did andnot other factors into it.
So that changed how that went.
Speaker 3 (51:30):
Yes, yes and no um, because let me just just uh,
talk about the women and couplesI treat with um when they come
to me with difficultiesconceiving.
They want to be parents, theywant to get pregnant and they
just have difficulties achievingthat.
So when they come to me, theyalways have been through
(51:54):
reproduction medicine etc.
So we know that from themedical side there is something
wrong, or there might not beanything wrong, and still they
have problems.
And the first thing that I'masking them is what do you know
about your own pregnancy?
So when your mom was pregnantwith you, what do you know about
(52:14):
that?
Some know the story, some don't.
So they they return and asktheir moms if they can, and then
they come back with 99.9percent tell a story of the
pregnancy was stressful in in away, what, whatever way that was
of the pregnancy was stressfulin a way, whatever way that was,
but the pregnancy was stressful.
So when this grown-up woman infront of me says, okay, my body
(52:39):
isn't functioning because I wantto get pregnant, I want a baby.
I can't, why can I not?
And I'm telling her okay, soyou learned.
Coming back to this cell memorything we were talking about in
the beginning.
You learned as a baby in yourmother's womb that pregnancy is
stress.
(52:59):
So what does your body do?
It prevents you from gettingstressed.
It prevents you from gettingstressed.
So the body is doing awonderful job at keeping you in
(53:23):
harmony and alive withoutputting on a stress factor on
top of it, and this alone forwomen who want to get pregnant,
this change of perspective aloneis oftentimes very, very
helpful.
And then I do some energy workon top of it, of course.
But this realization that welearned in your case, Tracy,
your body learned that pregnancyis stressful, or the birthing
(53:50):
process is stressful.
Yeah, makes sense, Right, right.
So your first daughter she knewthat about your birth, Sure,
when she was in the womb, so ina sense, we could say that she
prevented you from having thisexperience.
Yes, it is generational.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
Absolutely.
That's a pretty good example,right yeah, all right, number
three so if we're able to doenergy work on babies before
they're born, how can I, as apractitioner, modify my sessions
for a pregnant client?
Oh, beautiful question.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
So you said it yourself, tracy always ask for
permission, always, always,always.
So yes, when I read the aura,when I do energy work, of course
I'm asking for permission ofthe person in front of me.
I'm always asking for verbalpermission, unless the person is
(54:53):
in a coma or not able toexpress themselves verbally.
And then I would ask the auraof the baby is it okay to work
with you?
And generally the babies arevery willing to be worked with.
So generally, I don't I don'tknow if you have much experience
with that, tracy I myselfalways find that, even with with
(55:21):
pregnant women who do not wantto to work on their babies, but
they have.
They come with whatever issueand they said just say, okay, I
need some energy clearing.
The baby always is, is there infront of her and talking to me
first.
So I need to play with the babyfirst.
Just saying, yes, I know thatyou're there and I know that
(55:41):
you're, you're so excited to beborn, et cetera.
But now today is a session withmom, so can you, can you please
just just just wait a littlebit and relax, and I'm working
with mom first.
So this is quite, quiteinteresting.
But yeah, you can do energy.
Work on babies Always ask forpermission.
What else would I change?
(56:02):
What would you do, tracy?
Speaker 2 (56:06):
For a session.
I actually had one the otherday and when I was actually
flying back.
I was in Pittsburgh for alittle bit.
I was flying back on the planeand the baby came through.
So the ancestors did that.
But same thing as you had done,you know, just have the session.
I had the person on, like wedid it on a yoga mat on the
(56:27):
floor, you know, and session andI worked with a particular.
I'm trained in differentsystems of Reiki, so I actually
use kid Reiki and there is ameditation and it's called
experiences through theinternational center of Reiki
and it was experienced on guiltand shame this person, you know.
You know, in the session wewere working through that.
(56:50):
So that experience, I mean thesession and working with the
energy and just positiveaffirmations, things like that,
you know, focusing on thatsacral chakra, you know, feeling
of joy, happiness and so forth.
So that's usually what I do in asession and it's all you know
again, the different systems,that I learn, different styles
and that's all you know again,the different systems, that I
learned, different styles.
And that's why it's so helpfulto have this kind of contour
(57:13):
session for a client, because tobe unique and different with it
and it just matter what kind ofcame through.
So, yeah, so that's how Iapproach it as well.
Yeah, those that are strugglingto get pregnant, those that are
pregnant, yeah, if they'repregnant, you know, we do the
session where they lay on theirside, or I put a bolster up so
(57:36):
they're not laying on their backthe whole session.
Yeah, yeah, and sometimes I'llmix some prenatal yoga session
and then half of it with theprenatal yoga and then the last
30 minutes as a Reiki session.
That's so cool.
Speaker 3 (57:52):
So, yeah, what I would change as a practitioner
also is I would be very awarethat the baby is aware of
everything and anything, thatthey have a knowledge of the
history of the father's familyand the mother's family, so they
(58:14):
will have knowledge of that,and this is something that I
will work with when I work ontheir aura.
Sure, so their aura.
Of course, there will not beall the chakras, because they
haven't developed yet.
There will not be very complexenergy blocks, neither, but they
(58:34):
will have so much knowledgethat the mother will not have.
Speaker 2 (58:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (58:40):
So this is quite a dichotomy.
So the aura is quite basic, theenergy blocks will be quite
basic, but the knowledge andwisdom will be amazing.
Sure, sure, yeah, um, and whatyou just said just reminded me
of a client that I had.
Um, she came to see me becauseshe wanted to wanted to get
(59:02):
pregnant, she wanted to have ababy, and so we, we agreed on on
a package of three sessions.
I said, okay, let's start withjust energy healing.
We're going to clear any energyblocks in the way, then we're
going to have a prenatal sessionand then we're going to have a
body therapy session.
(59:22):
So let's, let's just do thisand see where it, where it takes
us from there.
And she came to see me and shewas like she just stepped out of
Vogue.
She was so elegant and she was.
Every detail of her outfit fittogether with anything else.
(59:44):
So it was just like, well, shejust came out of a photo
shooting with Vogue, but it wasjust like her.
Well, she just came out of aphoto shooting with Vogue, but
it was just like her normalbusiness outfit, sure, and then
I cleared energy blocks and Icleared one big energy block.
That is basically when yourealize, over a long period of
(01:00:05):
time, that help isn't coming.
So anything feels disempowering, you feel like you don't have
your own agency and, over alonger period of time, you feel
like, okay, nothing is going tohelp, nobody is going to help me
, nothing that I do is going tohelp.
Then this energy block emergesand it's like okay.
(01:00:27):
Then this energy block emergesand it's like okay, since
nobody's seeing how badly I am,how poorly I feel, I might just
smile to the world.
Yeah, and this is what happenedto her.
So I cleared this very bigenergy block and then just a few
little ones, but this was themost important one.
And then she did not come, shedid not show up for a second
(01:00:50):
session, oh, okay, yeah.
And then I tried to reach her,of course, because that's what
we do, right?
So, and she did not show up fora third session either.
And then she sent me a messageand she said well, I'm pregnant.
I felt pregnant the week afterour first session.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
There you go there you go.
Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
This was, this was so amazing.
Yeah, I love that yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
So it's so beneficial to get that cleared for those
blockages, shame, guilt,whatever, grief, things like
that expectation.
And one of the things that Ireminded my client is it's not
about time, it's about alignment.
So stop watching the clock,stop watching the calendar,
(01:01:35):
getting fixated on this is whenI'm ovulating, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And getting disappointed that,oh, okay, I'm not pregnant this
cycle and just live, just, it'llhappen, let it happen, go,
enjoy life, do those things,release these things go.
(01:01:58):
So yeah, cause we have thatcertain expectation by society,
right by our families, that like, oh, you get married.
Okay, when are you gettingpregnant?
Well, gosh, I've been marriedfive minutes, you know.
Yeah.
And one thing, too is it's theisolation too.
I mean, you know, my greatgrandparents had a different
experience than than I did whenI had my children it was very
(01:02:19):
isolating and I had to go andlook for those groups, you know,
in ways that, and you wouldcome home and go right into your
garage and no one was sittingon their porch anymore.
You know, they go right intotheir house and live their lives
and we, as women, are having somuch on us.
You know we have to be abreadwinner and we have to be
(01:02:40):
this and that.
And just even the guilt fromother mothers.
I had someone that said to melike I want to be a stay at home
mom.
You know, she was in themilitary, they had to travel, so
it really made no sense.
If you're only going to besomewhere for three years, why
go?
You know, just enjoy it.
And I'm like, really, and she'slike, yeah, you know, enjoy
your children.
(01:03:00):
I said I was able to be therewith my children and they're in
their 20s now and it went by insuch a flash and I spent a lot
of time with them.
But it felt like gosh, did I?
What happened?
Time?
Yeah, ain't anybody else.
I mean, everyone has adifferent path.
If you want to go and workfull-time, absolutely go, do it.
(01:03:23):
You want to be a full-time mom,do it as well, you know, and
let's just support each other.
Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Absolutely Just just support each other, that's.
That's a good, good finishingword.
Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Now, that was our last question as we were talking
.
Is there anything else that youmay have forgotten or something
that you would like to sharewith the listeners?
The floor is yours.
Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Oh good Lord.
There are so many moreanecdotes that I that I could
tell.
But yeah, maybe, maybe, just if, if anybody has a question
about prenatal psychology,prenatal spirituality, maybe?
Um, we haven't talked aboutthat much, did we Tracy
spiritual?
spirituality yeah, as you said,when you want to get pregnant
(01:04:17):
enjoy life, enjoy intimacy,enjoy, enjoy everything that you
have, be aware that your bodyis doing the right thing.
Excuse me, excuse me, throatchakra doesn't want to talk
(01:04:42):
right now, but you can also.
Oh, I'm so sorry, okay, but youcan also.
Oh, I'm so sorry, okay, but youcan also.
There we go, get in contactwith the soul of your baby.
(01:05:02):
Beautiful, yeah, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
That was just the one thing that I wanted to add yeah
, and if it makes you feel anybetter, when I was doing a
session, I had like a coughingspell as well, like it just
things were coming.
This happens as part of thework, right, it's part of the
work, yeah, and like you'll tearup, you'll cough, yeah, that's
(01:05:32):
so true.
That's so true.
So where can we find you?
So you graciously had doneanother episode.
For those that are listening toyou for the first time and will
eventually go back and listento your other episodes, where
can they find you if they'reinterested in having a session
with you?
We said in your uh little introthat you are all over the world
(01:05:53):
, clients all over the world.
So have you have a website,instagram?
Where can we find you?
Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
I do have a website, but it's still just in german,
so contact me via instagram.
That's the easiest way you cansubscribe to my, to my new sub
stack.
I started I started a sub stackso you can.
You can join me there as well,but instagram is, I think, the
easiest.
Perfect, perfect, yeah allright.
Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Well, thank you, karen, for joining me on this
journey.
So thank you so much wonderful.
So thank you, my wonderfullisteners.
If you would like your questionfeatured on the podcast, reach
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