July 27, 2025 • 37 mins
Cutting ties with toxic parents became the unexpected catalyst for Chris Wasco's spiritual awakening and healing journey. What started as a painful but necessary decision to break free from narcissistic abuse opened the door to discovering her gifts as an energy healer, spiritual counselor, and psychic medium.
During our heart-to-heart conversation, Chris reveals how narcissistic abuse operates through fear, guilt, and shame—emotions that directly impact our lower chakras and can manifest as physical ailments. Her own thyroid condition completely resolved after addressing the trauma from her relationships, demonstrating the profound connection between emotional wounds and physical health.
The societal pressure to maintain relationships with toxic family members creates an additional burden for survivors. As Chris puts it, "It's never just one thing" that leads someone to establish firm boundaries with parents—rather, it's thousands of painful interactions that finally reach a breaking point. Her powerful message that "you don't owe them anything for the right to be born" offers liberation to those struggling with guilt over prioritizing their wellbeing.
Most remarkably, Chris's story illuminates how healing from trauma can unlock dormant spiritual gifts. Before discovering energy healing, she had a structured business background with little room for spiritual exploration. As her healing progressed, she began experiencing psychic abilities and seeing spirits, eventually finding her way to Reiki and other energy modalities that now form the foundation of her healing practice.
Whether you're navigating complicated family dynamics, healing from narcissistic relationships, or curious about how trauma affects our energetic body, this episode offers validation, hope, and practical guidance. Connect with Chris at chriswasco.com to learn more about her healing services and spiritual development classes.
Chris Wasko is an Energy Healer, Spiritual Counselor, and Psychic Medium committed to guiding individuals on their healing and personal growth journeys. She specializes in trauma recovery, helping old souls and survivors of narcissistic abuse heal. Through uncovering deep soul lessons, restoring energetic balance, and supporting nervous system regulation, Chris empowers her clients to navigate life’s challenges and reclaim their true potential.
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Speaker 1 (00:22):
This is Ready Set Reiki, a podcast about Reiki,
the universal energy life force,from the curious beginner to
the seasoned master teacher,welcoming all systems, all
litigations and all levels.
Reiki is a journey and not adestination, and on this Ready
Set Reiki journey I refer tomyself as a guide rather than a
host.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
So I'm Tracy Seawright and this is Ready Set
Reiki.
Hello everyone, welcome ReadySet Reiki.
I'm your guide today, tracySeawright.
Lots of amazing and wonderfulthings happening and today is
the day I am welcoming anamazing and wonderful guest Now.
Her name is Chris Wasco.
(00:59):
Now she is an energy healer,spiritual counselor, psychic
medium committed to guidingindividuals on their healing and
personal growth journeys.
Now she specializes in traumarecovery.
She helps old souls andsurvivors of narcissistic abuse,
healing through uncovering deepand soul lessons, restoring
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energetic balance and supportingthe nervous system regulation.
She empowers her clients tonavigate through life's
challenges and reclaim theirpotential.
So let's give a wonderful ReadySet Reiki.
Welcome to Chris, chris.
Welcome to Ready Set Reiki.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Thanks so much, Tracy .
It's a pleasure to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Wonderful.
So I told our listeners just alittle bit about you.
So, as we begin this journeytogether, tell us a little bit
about yourself.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Well, a lot is in my intro, but what I'd like to also
share is the fact that I'mliving life in this way probably
surprises me more than anyone,because my background is in
business and I was not doingthis work.
What led me to this work was avery challenging and difficult
decision to cut off my extremelynarcissistic and abusive
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parents, and what started asprobably the most difficult
decision I ever had to make inmy life led to this incredible
journey of awakening andexpanding and coming into gifts
I didn't realize I had.
To the extent that I actuallyhave them and I'm sure they're
still going to continue toexpand.
(02:35):
But as I was healing, Irecognized that my trauma really
numbed my abilities, and that'sreally what I help a lot of
people now do is they're reallyjust releasing these little
energetic layers of trauma thatget stuck in the body, get
trapped, and first I help bringawareness where there is none,
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because I can read their energybody and I could see it and feel
it, and then it's just a matterof how to help them heal and
evolve in the way they want to.
Not everyone wants to open upto spirit and that's fine, but a
lot of people at least want tofeel more aligned to themselves.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Beautiful, and I don't think too many people
realize how difficult it is tosever a relationship with a
parent.
I've had to do it myself in mylifetime because we are
conditioned that it's yourparents right, you have to give
them grace and everything thatthey gave up for you.
So it's kind of a taboo thing.
(03:34):
But to pause and say this isn'tworking.
You know, this is toxic.
I need to do something aboutthat.
So it's a constant kind ofregulating with that because
things come up.
I know in my life there's beenseasons where I really miss
having my mother there and as awoman, we go through different
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seasons of our lives and we wantto call our mom, but having to
put that kind of boundary up andsaying no.
But so it's wonderful thatyou're able to offer this
service for individuals who arehaving to deal with this.
It's really a challenge attimes with this, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah, and I thank you for saying that too, because it
is a rather taboo subject andone that is often harshly
criticized, because there's alot of cultural and religious
aspects that align to peopleneeding to stay in these types
of relationships.
I even had people that flat outsay well, unless you were
abused, this is not okay.
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I was like, well, I was, butthat shouldn't declare whether
or not this is okay, you know.
So people get very defensivefor this subject matter, you
know, and maybe in some casesbecause they didn't have the
strength to do it themselves,and then in other cases because
they feel the pain of that,because it doesn't matter which
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side of the fence you're on whenit comes to that type of
severing, it hurts, it's verydifficult, it's very challenging
, but I think you said the bestword toxic.
When it is to that type ofsevering, it hurts, it's very
difficult, it's very challenging, but I think you said the best
word toxic.
When it is so incredibly toxicthat is seeping into you,
especially on an energetic formand realm.
You feel that and you live thatand you soak in that.
So you make a decision how do Iwant my life to be?
(05:20):
Is this it, or can I havebetter, and I learned in my
experience not only can I havebetter, I can have peace, and
it's been beautiful.
My only regret is not doing itsooner.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Sure, I was in my forties when I had it was the
catalyst for change and Istruggled as I grew up, our
family was heavily involved inthe church and as honor thy
mother and father and that wasdrilled into me and the comeback
always when I was stood up formyself you're not honoring me,
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you're being disrespectful.
So there wasn't physical, likehitting.
But you have this other type oftoxic behavior putting down
name calling, things like thatthat become at a time like wait
a minute, I'm an adult with myown children, right, and how
much longer can I put up withthis?
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And I recall being so tornabout this that I looked up.
You know what can you do if youhave a parent that the behavior
is so toxic?
How can you honor them the waythat God would want you to honor
them?
And I remember coming across aarticle by a particular preacher
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and it put in there where youcan financially support them.
So I began sending her checksand Mother's Day things like
that, but it got down to thepoint of like I only was doing a
texting relationship and then Ihad a pause, like it was just
something that happened recently.
It was just like I can't dothis.
I have to put this on pause.
(06:58):
It's just so toxic.
And you have a little bit ofthat guilt, but also that inner
peace too.
And you have a little bit ofthat guilt, but also that inner
peace too.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
That like, okay, like I can breathe.
Yeah, I think you bring up areally good point of guilt,
because that's really a lot ofwhat we're working through when
we have these kinds ofrelationships the guilt and
feeling of obligation that weneed to sustain these
relationships somehow.
We need to sustain theserelationships somehow.
But when they are so toxic,you're really going across your
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own energetic boundaries, I find, because you're being
disrespected.
Often your family is beingdisrespected and, like you said,
I'm a grown woman with children.
I shouldn't be treated like achild anymore.
I deserve just as much respectas you do, and yet I shouldn't
be treated like a child anymore.
I deserve just as much respectas you do, and yet I don't
receive any.
So I think, while it'sdifficult to have a balance with
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such a parent when the balanceis so shifted in one area, yeah,
something's got to give.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, yeah, and it's like I said, doesn't have to be
the physical.
It's that words, words hurt too.
Yes, I mean coming at you.
And how can you do that tosomeone that you gave birth to,
that you brought into the world,and it just blows your mind
that unbelievable with it.
Absolutely.
(08:19):
Yeah, but it's a lifelong thingand, as little milestones come
up, right Recently had agraduation and it was decided as
a family that we weren't goingto invite this particular person
.
And then that person somebodyposted, of course, on Facebook
that she knew.
And then it came at me with thetext messages and it's like you
know what?
My daughter's old enough todecide who she wants to have at
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her graduation.
But yet it's my fault, right?
Yeah, it's me, everything's onme.
I distort the image, I controlthe narrative and I'm like, wow,
I wish I really had that muchpower.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I find with these kinds of parents because I not
only was raised by them but Iwork with a lot of people that
have similar parents is you'redealing with three elements here
.
It's fear, guilt and shame, andthey utilize all these tactics.
And when you look at it from anenergetic standpoint, fear is
in the root chakra, guilt is inthe solar plexus and shame is in
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the sacral.
So when you have that, it's alllower chakra stuff and energy
and you're holding all of that.
So you know if you havedigestive issues, stomach issues
, reproductive issues, you know.
I do recommend start lookinginto the relationship you have
with the people in your lifethat are making you feel fear,
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guilt and shame Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
And this is why energy work is so important.
I mean, it's one of the toolsin your energetic toolbox that
can help you through this,because you can self-regulate,
you can do your just for today.
I will not get angry.
Just for today, you know, Iwill be kind to all living
things, which is sometimes achallenge.
So that takes us into our nextquestion.
So Reiki energy work did youfind it, or did it find you?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
energy work.
Did you find it or did it findyou?
It found me because I think mybackground in business had me so
structured, rigid, type A haveto do things a certain way.
And when I was in my healingprocess I think I'll work
forever in a healing journey butat the beginning of it, when I
was very intentional about it, Inoticed myself becoming more
sensitive and then I startedseeing people in my mind's eye
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that were in spirit and I waskind of overwhelmed by it at
first and confused and alsoexcited, and I started learning
about psychic mediumship and howto communicate with them,
because they would show up and Icould see them, but I had no
idea how to communicate withthem because they don't
communicate like we do, theydon't have a body anymore.
So it took, I would say, acouple of years until Reiki kind
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of kept knocking on my doorwhere and I think that happens
with a lot of us you know you'reexposed to it, you start
meeting people that do it and Irecognize that.
You know it was calling to meand I answered the call.
And what I also love is becauseI teach a lot of spiritual
development classes.
(11:17):
A lot of people that are.
My students are actually Reikimasters or Reiki students.
So they kind of are like wekind of did a flip.
I started where all mysensitivities and seeing,
visions and stuff started first,and then Reiki was a very nice
tool to add to that, whereasI've had students where they
started with Reiki and thennoticed all these visions and
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feelings and everything comingto them.
So how do I figure this out?
So it's kind of neat how thathappens.
I just feel like it's like thisevolutionary process and energy
work, sure.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
It's just so interesting because it shows you
just how many different pathsthere are in the journey.
There's no right way.
You have individuals that cometo Reiki and then they wish they
could have these psychicabilities and all these things,
and then others that have thepsychic ability but they need
that little bit of regulationand an extra tool to bring in it
.
But the great thing about Reikiis that it's that gateway that
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can lead you to other things.
So having that can regulate, asyou said, calm things down,
that stress, reducing modality.
That can open things up evenmore, even if you showed up with
already those abilities.
I had these abilities and Ifound now, through the Reiki and
the different systems I'vestudied, it opens up things even
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more.
So you had a businessbackground working through their
energy healer, spiritualcounselor, psychic medium.
As you are out navigating,working with students, what are
some of the commonmisconceptions you find about
your work?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I think people feel, especially with mediumship, that
spirit is just going to come toyou like it does on TV.
I think Hollywood just ampsthat up so much and just people
not realizing how incrediblysubtle this type of work is.
You do not need some grandthing, and even when it comes to
energetic blocks, some peoplethink they have to get through a
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brick wall, but really there'sprobably some trauma there
that's serving as a bit of ablock and they need to connect
to that.
And sometimes it's theawareness.
Awareness is that first key tohelping something not even just
open but sometimes even dissolve, like oh, now I get it and you
kind of clear something.
(13:33):
So yeah, I think mostly it'sthe subtlety.
We often have a lot ofassumptions because of film,
what we've been shown, but it'sreally not that way.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, I remember was was it the Jennifer Love Hewitt
where she would just see themright, and then they have long
conversations back and forth andthen when you go with someone
they're expecting you to tellthem paragraphs.
But I almost like you're tryingto decode something.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
We do not do that.
It would be nice, because itmakes it a little easier.
I feel, and mediumship variesfrom person to person, just like
any kind of energy work, butyet they're not talking to us in
that manner.
It's all vibration, it's alltelepathy, and how we as
individuals receive the messagesand how our receptors are
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working for us individualsreceive the messages and that's
how our receptors are workingfor us.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, and people have different individual gifts.
I have a friend that spirit willjust come right into her and
she can see through their eyes.
But I have to close my eyes andit's almost like in a dreamlike
state.
I can feel it.
She can't, like I'll come intoa room.
I'm like, oh, there's somethinghere, and then she has to kind
of meditate on it and then itwill come in.
So it's kind of likediscovering your own superpower
and everybody's different.
(14:52):
So don't look at somebody elseand say, oh, I can't do this.
You'll find your own way to itin your own way of communicating
with it.
So it's quite fascinating themore I connect with individuals
that do this work, and howunique and similar we all are
with this, it's true.
So you are out helping others.
(15:14):
You know heal from thisnarcissistic abuse and, as
you've gone through your journeyin life, what has been the
biggest challenge for you?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
in life.
What has been the biggestchallenge for you?
Well, in the beginning it wasdealing with my own traumas and
I think I was surprised that itled me to help others, because
when you have that kind of abuse, you know my parents are on
opposite sides of thenarcissistic spectrum and when
you have something like that,you essentially become an expert
in it.
Anyone who's dealt withnarcissistic abuse becomes very
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well studied.
It just kind of happens in thatway and you really dig into
stuff and you start checkingboxes of the things that were
done and things that were doneand things that happened and
you're like, oh my gosh, that'smy mother, oh my gosh, that's my
father.
They're so incredibly textbookand it seems like they're all
sharing the same playbook, andso to see that it led me to this
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work was really surprising,because I think I probably would
think just in assumption itmight be a little triggering,
but it also really showed me howmuch I healed because it's not
triggering.
I really understand people willshare their stories and I feel
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like I've heard so many thingsand the levels of abuse.
I mean you name it, I've heardit and probably then some, and
just the fact that people feelsafe with me.
I think is really importantbecause what happens is I'm able
to help them in a morenurturing way to understand how
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it's affecting their energy body, and I think that's been really
helpful, I think just for allinvolved, myself included just
to see like, okay, I wentthrough this for a reason and I
get to see the reason almostevery day.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Wow.
Well, thank you for doing allof the work so that you can be
of service to so many people.
I mean, how wonderful is it?
It's just amazing thatindividuals because you could
have really taken two paths Oneyou could have just turned
around and been a horribleperson, or you rose above it
continue to work on yourself andyou're helping others.
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So thank you for that.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Thank you for saying that too, because that really is
.
Those are those paths.
When you've been raised bynarcissism, it becomes part of
you and it doesn't mean youbecome a narcissist, but you
will carry the fleas.
You will carry the nature ofnarcissism, because when it's
been in your environment andyour entire life, you wear it
like a coat or it can becomepart of you.
(17:51):
So, yeah, I really needed tounpack those elements so that I
wasn't myself toxic and I didn'tallow it to rule my life the
way it did so many generationsin my line.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Sure, and you may have probably been told this by
people that are kind of in yourcircle about, maybe, how kind
you are.
They're surprised at how maybeyou lead with kindness.
So much from your pastexperiences with being raised
with parents that may not havebeen so kind in the world, and
you chose kindness.
Isn't that beautiful?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, yeah, and I like to believe I did it more
authentically, because whenpeople meet my mother, they
would say that too, but don'trecognize there's another side
to her.
That's not so pretty.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Right.
They always think like what'swrong with you?
She's so wonderful, she's soamazing.
And I think you're the crazyperson.
And I remember you know mesaying some things and I was
kind of labeled I'm beingungrateful, I'm being the brat,
and then something happens andthen I got an apology from
someone that said I'm I'm reallysorry that we didn't believe
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you.
Like now we see Validating andvalidating, and I just cried, I
was just sobbing because it wasfinally Because you think you're
crazy, like you'll tell peoplestories from your childhood and
they're like that's not normaland I thought it was normal,
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yeah, and that's exactly how ithappens.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
People will respond and be like that's not okay,
that's not normal, and yeah, Imean, I think the path for me
was paved a little bit becausethere were aunts and uncles that
cut off my parents before Iever did.
So I sought them out when Imade that choice.
But I think for those like you,when you're the one making that
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first jump, it's reallyisolating because you will be
looked at as the problem.
How could you and especially ifyour mom is very good at
putting on a mask to others andmany are Very funny.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, and then I'm the only child.
So when you're the child on topof it, there's that immense
guilt.
Yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Well, in all fairness I mean, I am not an only child
and my two siblings, well, oneabsolutely has become my father.
So, um, but the other, who wasso clear and understanding, yes,
I've seen everything mom does.
I fully agree with you.
And yet um won't ever cut heroff because, um, she again, she
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couldn't handle the guilt.
So it really takes a verystrong person to make that
choice.
It's, it's not easy, it reallyisn't.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
And then you kind of get sucked in a little bit and
then you remember why.
There it is.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
There it is.
Yeah, it can feel masochisticin nature, like why do I keep
doing this to myself?
It's the same story, it's thesame, but it's a pattern.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
It's going to change.
Maybe a rock bottom happenedand then there comes a comeback.
There it is.
That's the reason why.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
That's why they call it the cycle of abuse, because
it's never constant abuse.
It is always a cycle, and whenthat cycle keeps going, you keep
going in it and going in it.
It will absolutely make youdizzy.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Well, this question can be used in your experiences.
An energy healer, spiritualcounselor or psychic medium what
are some qualities that youlook for in an energy healer,
spiritual counselor or psychicmedium?
What are some qualities thatyou look for in an energy healer
or energy worker?
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Authenticity, and I know that's easier said than
done or seemingly obvious, but Ifeel like when I really got
into this work, I noticed thatthere were a lot of people that
were very judgmental inspirituality and that stunned me
.
Because I'm here, I'm thinkinglike, oh, I'm joining this
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spiritual community andeveryone's going to be all
welcoming and loving.
No, there, you know, it'sreally when you recognize those
people that are like I, I'm yourcommunity, I'm not your
competition, like those are thepeople I love to connect with.
That's just feels good because,because it's real, it's
authentic, it's, it's, it'speaceful, right, right, yeah,
that's the good people.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
If they're supporting you, don't need to gatekeep in
this profession.
Sometimes, you know, there maynot be that fit or time.
I have things going on in mylife right now and people have
come forward for sessions andthings and I've had to refer,
refer them to students and otherpeople, just because things in
my life wasn't kind of inalignment.
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So it's okay, it's all right topass it on.
So what advice would you givesomeone who's just starting in
this profession?
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Trust your gut, just trust that guidance.
It's always speaking to youReally every moment of every day
, and if you find you can't tapinto that, then there's some
trauma there that's blocking youfrom it.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, good advice, good advice.
What are some books that yourecommend?
Speaker 3 (22:58):
advice.
What are some books that yourecommend?
Probably one of my favorite andregular go-tos is you Can Heal
your Life by Louise Hay.
I love that one, asking it IsGiven by Abraham Hicks.
Esther Hicks is a really goodone.
I really love Kyle Gray, so hisbooks like you know you're like
working with angels I haveseveral of his books.
Like you know, if you're likeworking with angels, I have
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several of his books which areprobably his favorite.
One of mine is the one relatedto Ascended Masters.
Beautiful, beautiful.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Love, love Kyle Gray.
I'm a part of his angel team soI love that Wonderful.
So what other services do youoffer?
Do you do classes, trainings?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
My primary service is energy healing slash reading.
So that's where I will connectwith someone's chakra system and
read their chakras and what'scoming up in their body and then
I'll offer suggestions on howto address anything that comes
up or work to heal the energythat might be stagnant or
overstimulated.
The other thing I do regularly,but in kind of throughout the
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year, not all throughout theyear is teach classes on
spiritual development so peoplethat find they're coming into
their gifts.
I actually just finished aclass series called Up Level
your Intuitions where I wasreally just teaching people
about connecting to that innervoice and expanding with it.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
All right.
So do you do services onlineand in person?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yes, I do both Primarily online, but I do do
person as well.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
All right.
Well, where can we find you ifsomeone's listening to this or
watching this right now andthey're like this is my girl, I
got to connect.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
My website's the easiest way to find me, because
it's my name, chris Wasco dotcom, and everything's pretty
much there, beautiful.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
All right.
Well, that ends the first partof our journey.
I'm going to guide you into thesecond part, which are
questions from Reiki studentsand social media.
So here we go.
Number one what inspired you tospecialize in trauma recovery?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
My own path.
I started actually helping kidsbut I didn't realize that I was
helping them in the way thatultimately I was told I did Um
because when parents wereventing about their children to
me and this would be in like alike a play date setting when my
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kids were young I got to hearthe children's inner thoughts
and I would share um you know,obviously with permission and
all the stuff that goes withthat, even before I knew what
was going on, but I could justhear them.
So it really helped meunderstand that I could kind of
play this mediator role,energetically speaking, and had
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people tell me how I helped healtheir relationship with their
children.
So that's a lot of how thisstarted for me.
I don't work as much withchildren.
I do work with a lot of teensnow, with their parents of
course, but mostly I have adults.
But yeah, it started my path tokids and now mostly adults.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Beautiful.
I love that and it just kind ofcame with it.
It's how wonderful that evolvedfor you.
So, number two, what is yourrole of an energetic counselor
and how can an energeticcounselor be of service to
someone?
Speaker 3 (26:15):
It's.
It's funny.
I love this question because Ido have a lot of my.
My clients will call me atherapist and I'm always very
careful.
I like I am not certified.
I am, I'm not.
I am not a therapist.
I am, but I think, because whathappens is is people talk to me
and they share their storiesand they share their energy.
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I'm really able to see a lotand feel a lot and counsel them
on how they can help themselves.
I'm very big on helping peopleheal themselves because I
believe we as individuals areour best healers.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Right, right.
It's so interesting becauseyou'll get many especially Reiki
master teachers and they feeluncomfortable with the word
master because they feel likethey haven't mastered it.
So it's like where do youreally?
How do you, how do you nameyourself?
And for I was calling myselflike an energy coordinator, you
know.
So it's so important, you know,as you're watching the language
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of it, so energetic counselorfor them to come to share with
you.
So beautiful.
Our third question why is it soimportant that we heal from
narcissistic abuse?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Because it affects your energy, whether you know it
or not, and it's very heavy.
It's a big weight and oftenmanifests in the body.
For me, I had a thyroidcondition that I have since
healed.
I am not on any medication andmy thyroid is fully functioning
and absolutely wonderful now,and it was healing from
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narcissistic abuse.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah, and it really spreads.
I mean, especially when youhave that parent and then the
kids see it.
And one of the things I wasoften said by my parent and she
actually said to me well, I hopeyour children treat you the way
you treat me.
And I had friends say to meyeah, I hope they do, because
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you've been very patient andyou've been very kind and you've
been very tolerant with that,because it does affect everybody
because they are grandparents,right, they're family members.
It's so hard again goingagainst what you're taught in
the church.
You honor that parent, right,no matter what.
(28:33):
And you have stories like oh,but they gave up this for you
and they sacrificed this for you.
You're being ungrateful.
So it's really hard with that.
But it is just this as you goprocess, you think you're healed
.
Then something happens and bypausing and doing that energy,
work, that self-regulation itgets you through that little
(28:53):
bump.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
It really does.
I remember when I was hearing alot of those things in the
beginning and feeling the guilt,someone had said you don't owe
them anything for the right tobe born and I found that so
empowering and I hope a lot ofothers can find that empowering,
because so many parents, it's achoice to become a parent, it's
a choice to raise that child.
(29:14):
So any quote, unquote sacrificethat they've given that this
was all choice based.
They didn't have to havechildren.
Children and I mean in myparents' case they probably
shouldn't have.
But when you do, it's your jobto be a parent.
It's not your child's job toworship you and to put you on a
pedestal?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Or to support you.
Some parents will be, nope, Idid my job and now I'm going to
move in with you and you'regoing to do this.
And this expectation of, likeyou go out to dinner and you're
supposed to pay the bill, right,and it's like okay, I mean,
yeah, it's just quiteinteresting with that, and
especially if you have a parentthat mixes that behavior with
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religion and uses religion andthe Bible and starts shooting
out Bible verses and things likethat, you're not doing this
according to the word and youneed to repent, go home and read
your Bible.
It's like who are you to knowmy journey with God?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Exactly.
Yeah, it is challenging.
I myself I'm a recoveringCatholic and a lot of that does
get thrown around, and youreally.
I think, as individuals, it'sup to us to find out what our
relationship is to religion, tospirituality, to God, whatever
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the case may be.
And the more I heal, the more Irecognize when it's my time,
I'm at peace, I'm good, and Iknow my parents can't say the
same.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
I'm at peace, I'm good, and I know my parents
can't say the same, right, andthat's the thing that makes it
different is that you are thecatalyst for change.
You are making that you'rebreaking that generational cycle
and says this is enough.
And my I have four children, mythree daughters have such
strong boundaries and they keepme in check.
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They're like no, they'll callme on it and and it was like wow
, I'm really, they're reallycoming at me.
But they feel safe that they'reable to do this, that they're
able to say hey, like you didthis.
And I, and I have enough sensein my experience to say you know
what, I'm sorry, I didn't getthat from my parents that.
(31:28):
I was, they were sorry or thatthey were doing, and they, they
believe that they did an amazingjob.
You know, and I have to forgivethem because in their mind they
were doing the best that theycould do.
But it's this acknowledgementthat saying I'm sorry, I'll do
better.
Thank you for sharing that withsorry.
I'll do better.
Thank you for sharing that withme, because I didn't know and
(31:49):
I'm learning and trying toimprove, and I even pointed out
to my daughter the other day.
I said here's the difference.
I'm trying to fix it.
And no one tried to fix thatfor me.
It was either this way, or I'mgoing to hang up on you or I'm
not going to talk to you, right?
So I was never given thatopportunity.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
So no, and it's very hurtful because it's putting the
responsibility on the childwhen it's really up to the
parent to be self reflective,because you know, when you have
a parent that in insteaddeflects, every time that you're
the problem, you're to blame,and if you weren't this way, it
never would be that way.
It really shows an individualthat has no want or ability to
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try and heal, because we'renever going to look within.
They're never going to look atthemselves.
This is not to suggest thatevery single thing that they're
doing is wrong, but don't putyourself on a healing path of a
healthy relationship If you haveone that is willing to try and
one that just wants toconstantly point blame.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Right.
And even if you have arelationship that's hanging by a
shoestring, why is it thechild's responsibility to call
the parent to keep communicationgoing?
Why is it on them?
Nobody asks what did yourparent do, right?
It's always like, well, that'syour mother, that's your father,
this is your family.
You need to get over it and notasking you what went wrong,
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what was, what was the finalbreaking point for you?
It's always like but how couldyou do that?
Speaker 3 (33:18):
And it really as far as a final breaking point, it's
really the final, like I'm justnot doing this anymore.
There's always a buildup, it isnever just one thing.
And they really like to make itabout one thing and then
oversimplify it Like, oh, it wasjust this one event.
How dare you get upset Like no,it's never just about the one
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event, that was just the onethat I finally said enough, I'm
not doing this anymore and it'susually thousands, thousands and
different situations, differentthings and the finally saying
it's enough and putting theseboundaries up and sticking with
them.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
And then then you get real back in and then it's
showing the same behavior againand then, especially as they get
older too, you feel terrible,and then they'll get it with but
I'm going to die soon.
I don't have much longer, youknow, um, come visit me before I
die.
It's like oh, my goodness, yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Well, again, that goes back to guilt Cause.
I remember feeling that too andyou really have to go through a
mourning period because someonethat has chosen not to speak to
their parents, and then if thatparent dies, you mourn them
twice.
Mourn them the first timebecause you're mourning the loss
of a parent you actuallydeserved and didn't have, and
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then you're mourning the loss ofthem, you know, in body and if
you're not at peace with it, youknow.
I like to say it's been muchmore peaceful now for me, but
I'm sure in a way I'll mournthem when it's their time.
But I'm not in any way wantinga relationship again, because I
know how incredibly toxic it isand how much better my life has
(34:55):
been without them.
It's been beautiful.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, one of the things that I had to work on in
my healing journey which theReiki prayer, all the things
that I do helped is I havegirlfriends who lost their
mothers and it's devastating.
They were best friends and heremy mother's still here and I
made the conscious choice.
So seeing my friends grieve,losing, their mother and it's
(35:20):
like and then I've even haddiscussions with them and
they're like, no, like wecompletely understand why you
had to do what you need to do.
I mean, they read the textmessages.
They they've been a part of thejourney for years now and they
see it.
But you have that bit of guilt,a little bit, you know, when
you have a friend that loses aparent and yours is still
(35:42):
walking the earth, right?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Yes, that's actually an interesting synchronicity.
You and I have one of myclosest friends.
When I was cutting my motheroff, had already lost hers and
it was a horrible loss for her.
It was unexpected, so realshock to the nervous system and
she was the most supportiveperson, especially in the
beginning when I was a mess andI didn't know what to do.
(36:05):
And I remember apologizing toher like I'm so sorry.
I feel selfish telling you this.
You know, when you've lost yourmother and she's like no, no,
no, no, no.
We did not have the same motherand I really love the fact that
she could be so open hearted atthat time especially.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Wow.
Well, I'm really glad that shewas in your life at that time to
help you through it, becauseyou're moving forward and doing
such amazing and wonderful work.
Well, that was our lastquestion.
Is there anything else that youwant to share, something that
you may have forgotten about?
The floor is yours.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
I would love to share .
I actually I do have a book outin the world.
It's called An Old Soul'sJourney and it looks and reads
like a children's book andchildren do love it because
there's a little white rabbitthey like to find in the pages.
But it's also geared towardsinner child healing Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Well, thank you, chris, so much for sharing all
of that, and let us know againyour website where individuals
can find you.
It's chriswascocom.
Beautiful, all right.
Well, thank you so much fortaking this journey with me and
to my wonderful listeners.
If you would like your questionfeatured on Ready Set Reiki,
reach out.
Check me out atwwwreadysetreikicom, check me
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out on Facebook, send me anemail.
I'm Tracy Seawright and thishas been Ready Set Reiki.
This is Ready Set Reiki, a podcast about Reiki,
the universal energy life force,from the curious beginner to
the seasoned master teacher,welcoming all systems, all
litigations and all levels.
Reiki is a journey and not adestination, and on this Ready
Set Reiki journey I refer tomyself as a guide rather than a
host.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
So I'm Tracy Seawright and this is Ready Set
Reiki.
Hello everyone, welcome ReadySet Reiki.
I'm your guide today, tracySeawright.
Lots of amazing and wonderfulthings happening and today is
the day I am welcoming anamazing and wonderful guest Now.
Her name is Chris Wasco.
(00:59):
Now she is an energy healer,spiritual counselor, psychic
medium committed to guidingindividuals on their healing and
personal growth journeys.
Now she specializes in traumarecovery.
She helps old souls andsurvivors of narcissistic abuse,
healing through uncovering deepand soul lessons, restoring
(01:20):
energetic balance and supportingthe nervous system regulation.
She empowers her clients tonavigate through life's
challenges and reclaim theirpotential.
So let's give a wonderful ReadySet Reiki.
Welcome to Chris, chris.
Welcome to Ready Set Reiki.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Thanks so much, Tracy .
It's a pleasure to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Wonderful.
So I told our listeners just alittle bit about you.
So, as we begin this journeytogether, tell us a little bit
about yourself.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Well, a lot is in my intro, but what I'd like to also
share is the fact that I'mliving life in this way probably
surprises me more than anyone,because my background is in
business and I was not doingthis work.
What led me to this work was avery challenging and difficult
decision to cut off my extremelynarcissistic and abusive
(02:13):
parents, and what started asprobably the most difficult
decision I ever had to make inmy life led to this incredible
journey of awakening andexpanding and coming into gifts
I didn't realize I had.
To the extent that I actuallyhave them and I'm sure they're
still going to continue toexpand.
(02:35):
But as I was healing, Irecognized that my trauma really
numbed my abilities, and that'sreally what I help a lot of
people now do is they're reallyjust releasing these little
energetic layers of trauma thatget stuck in the body, get
trapped, and first I help bringawareness where there is none,
(02:56):
because I can read their energybody and I could see it and feel
it, and then it's just a matterof how to help them heal and
evolve in the way they want to.
Not everyone wants to open upto spirit and that's fine, but a
lot of people at least want tofeel more aligned to themselves.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Beautiful, and I don't think too many people
realize how difficult it is tosever a relationship with a
parent.
I've had to do it myself in mylifetime because we are
conditioned that it's yourparents right, you have to give
them grace and everything thatthey gave up for you.
So it's kind of a taboo thing.
(03:34):
But to pause and say this isn'tworking.
You know, this is toxic.
I need to do something aboutthat.
So it's a constant kind ofregulating with that because
things come up.
I know in my life there's beenseasons where I really miss
having my mother there and as awoman, we go through different
(03:57):
seasons of our lives and we wantto call our mom, but having to
put that kind of boundary up andsaying no.
But so it's wonderful thatyou're able to offer this
service for individuals who arehaving to deal with this.
It's really a challenge attimes with this, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah, and I thank you for saying that too, because it
is a rather taboo subject andone that is often harshly
criticized, because there's alot of cultural and religious
aspects that align to peopleneeding to stay in these types
of relationships.
I even had people that flat outsay well, unless you were
abused, this is not okay.
(04:37):
I was like, well, I was, butthat shouldn't declare whether
or not this is okay, you know.
So people get very defensivefor this subject matter, you
know, and maybe in some casesbecause they didn't have the
strength to do it themselves,and then in other cases because
they feel the pain of that,because it doesn't matter which
(04:58):
side of the fence you're on whenit comes to that type of
severing, it hurts, it's verydifficult, it's very challenging
, but I think you said the bestword toxic.
When it is to that type ofsevering, it hurts, it's very
difficult, it's very challenging, but I think you said the best
word toxic.
When it is so incredibly toxicthat is seeping into you,
especially on an energetic formand realm.
You feel that and you live thatand you soak in that.
So you make a decision how do Iwant my life to be?
(05:20):
Is this it, or can I havebetter, and I learned in my
experience not only can I havebetter, I can have peace, and
it's been beautiful.
My only regret is not doing itsooner.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Sure, I was in my forties when I had it was the
catalyst for change and Istruggled as I grew up, our
family was heavily involved inthe church and as honor thy
mother and father and that wasdrilled into me and the comeback
always when I was stood up formyself you're not honoring me,
(05:55):
you're being disrespectful.
So there wasn't physical, likehitting.
But you have this other type oftoxic behavior putting down
name calling, things like thatthat become at a time like wait
a minute, I'm an adult with myown children, right, and how
much longer can I put up withthis?
(06:17):
And I recall being so tornabout this that I looked up.
You know what can you do if youhave a parent that the behavior
is so toxic?
How can you honor them the waythat God would want you to honor
them?
And I remember coming across aarticle by a particular preacher
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and it put in there where youcan financially support them.
So I began sending her checksand Mother's Day things like
that, but it got down to thepoint of like I only was doing a
texting relationship and then Ihad a pause, like it was just
something that happened recently.
It was just like I can't dothis.
I have to put this on pause.
(06:58):
It's just so toxic.
And you have a little bit ofthat guilt, but also that inner
peace too.
And you have a little bit ofthat guilt, but also that inner
peace too.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
That like, okay, like I can breathe.
Yeah, I think you bring up areally good point of guilt,
because that's really a lot ofwhat we're working through when
we have these kinds ofrelationships the guilt and
feeling of obligation that weneed to sustain these
relationships somehow.
We need to sustain theserelationships somehow.
But when they are so toxic,you're really going across your
(07:31):
own energetic boundaries, I find, because you're being
disrespected.
Often your family is beingdisrespected and, like you said,
I'm a grown woman with children.
I shouldn't be treated like achild anymore.
I deserve just as much respectas you do, and yet I shouldn't
be treated like a child anymore.
I deserve just as much respectas you do, and yet I don't
receive any.
So I think, while it'sdifficult to have a balance with
(07:52):
such a parent when the balanceis so shifted in one area, yeah,
something's got to give.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, yeah, and it's like I said, doesn't have to be
the physical.
It's that words, words hurt too.
Yes, I mean coming at you.
And how can you do that tosomeone that you gave birth to,
that you brought into the world,and it just blows your mind
that unbelievable with it.
Absolutely.
(08:19):
Yeah, but it's a lifelong thingand, as little milestones come
up, right Recently had agraduation and it was decided as
a family that we weren't goingto invite this particular person
.
And then that person somebodyposted, of course, on Facebook
that she knew.
And then it came at me with thetext messages and it's like you
know what?
My daughter's old enough todecide who she wants to have at
(08:42):
her graduation.
But yet it's my fault, right?
Yeah, it's me, everything's onme.
I distort the image, I controlthe narrative and I'm like, wow,
I wish I really had that muchpower.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I find with these kinds of parents because I not
only was raised by them but Iwork with a lot of people that
have similar parents is you'redealing with three elements here
.
It's fear, guilt and shame, andthey utilize all these tactics.
And when you look at it from anenergetic standpoint, fear is
in the root chakra, guilt is inthe solar plexus and shame is in
(09:16):
the sacral.
So when you have that, it's alllower chakra stuff and energy
and you're holding all of that.
So you know if you havedigestive issues, stomach issues
, reproductive issues, you know.
I do recommend start lookinginto the relationship you have
with the people in your lifethat are making you feel fear,
(09:36):
guilt and shame Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
And this is why energy work is so important.
I mean, it's one of the toolsin your energetic toolbox that
can help you through this,because you can self-regulate,
you can do your just for today.
I will not get angry.
Just for today, you know, Iwill be kind to all living
things, which is sometimes achallenge.
So that takes us into our nextquestion.
So Reiki energy work did youfind it, or did it find you?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
energy work.
Did you find it or did it findyou?
It found me because I think mybackground in business had me so
structured, rigid, type A haveto do things a certain way.
And when I was in my healingprocess I think I'll work
forever in a healing journey butat the beginning of it, when I
was very intentional about it, Inoticed myself becoming more
sensitive and then I startedseeing people in my mind's eye
(10:32):
that were in spirit and I waskind of overwhelmed by it at
first and confused and alsoexcited, and I started learning
about psychic mediumship and howto communicate with them,
because they would show up and Icould see them, but I had no
idea how to communicate withthem because they don't
communicate like we do, theydon't have a body anymore.
So it took, I would say, acouple of years until Reiki kind
(10:57):
of kept knocking on my doorwhere and I think that happens
with a lot of us you know you'reexposed to it, you start
meeting people that do it and Irecognize that.
You know it was calling to meand I answered the call.
And what I also love is becauseI teach a lot of spiritual
development classes.
(11:17):
A lot of people that are.
My students are actually Reikimasters or Reiki students.
So they kind of are like wekind of did a flip.
I started where all mysensitivities and seeing,
visions and stuff started first,and then Reiki was a very nice
tool to add to that, whereasI've had students where they
started with Reiki and thennoticed all these visions and
(11:40):
feelings and everything comingto them.
So how do I figure this out?
So it's kind of neat how thathappens.
I just feel like it's like thisevolutionary process and energy
work, sure.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
It's just so interesting because it shows you
just how many different pathsthere are in the journey.
There's no right way.
You have individuals that cometo Reiki and then they wish they
could have these psychicabilities and all these things,
and then others that have thepsychic ability but they need
that little bit of regulationand an extra tool to bring in it
.
But the great thing about Reikiis that it's that gateway that
(12:11):
can lead you to other things.
So having that can regulate, asyou said, calm things down,
that stress, reducing modality.
That can open things up evenmore, even if you showed up with
already those abilities.
I had these abilities and Ifound now, through the Reiki and
the different systems I'vestudied, it opens up things even
(12:34):
more.
So you had a businessbackground working through their
energy healer, spiritualcounselor, psychic medium.
As you are out navigating,working with students, what are
some of the commonmisconceptions you find about
your work?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I think people feel, especially with mediumship, that
spirit is just going to come toyou like it does on TV.
I think Hollywood just ampsthat up so much and just people
not realizing how incrediblysubtle this type of work is.
You do not need some grandthing, and even when it comes to
energetic blocks, some peoplethink they have to get through a
(13:12):
brick wall, but really there'sprobably some trauma there
that's serving as a bit of ablock and they need to connect
to that.
And sometimes it's theawareness.
Awareness is that first key tohelping something not even just
open but sometimes even dissolve, like oh, now I get it and you
kind of clear something.
(13:33):
So yeah, I think mostly it'sthe subtlety.
We often have a lot ofassumptions because of film,
what we've been shown, but it'sreally not that way.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, I remember was was it the Jennifer Love Hewitt
where she would just see themright, and then they have long
conversations back and forth andthen when you go with someone
they're expecting you to tellthem paragraphs.
But I almost like you're tryingto decode something.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
We do not do that.
It would be nice, because itmakes it a little easier.
I feel, and mediumship variesfrom person to person, just like
any kind of energy work, butyet they're not talking to us in
that manner.
It's all vibration, it's alltelepathy, and how we as
individuals receive the messagesand how our receptors are
(14:23):
working for us individualsreceive the messages and that's
how our receptors are workingfor us.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, and people have different individual gifts.
I have a friend that spirit willjust come right into her and
she can see through their eyes.
But I have to close my eyes andit's almost like in a dreamlike
state.
I can feel it.
She can't, like I'll come intoa room.
I'm like, oh, there's somethinghere, and then she has to kind
of meditate on it and then itwill come in.
So it's kind of likediscovering your own superpower
and everybody's different.
(14:52):
So don't look at somebody elseand say, oh, I can't do this.
You'll find your own way to itin your own way of communicating
with it.
So it's quite fascinating themore I connect with individuals
that do this work, and howunique and similar we all are
with this, it's true.
So you are out helping others.
(15:14):
You know heal from thisnarcissistic abuse and, as
you've gone through your journeyin life, what has been the
biggest challenge for you?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
in life.
What has been the biggestchallenge for you?
Well, in the beginning it wasdealing with my own traumas and
I think I was surprised that itled me to help others, because
when you have that kind of abuse, you know my parents are on
opposite sides of thenarcissistic spectrum and when
you have something like that,you essentially become an expert
in it.
Anyone who's dealt withnarcissistic abuse becomes very
(15:47):
well studied.
It just kind of happens in thatway and you really dig into
stuff and you start checkingboxes of the things that were
done and things that were doneand things that happened and
you're like, oh my gosh, that'smy mother, oh my gosh, that's my
father.
They're so incredibly textbookand it seems like they're all
sharing the same playbook, andso to see that it led me to this
(16:08):
work was really surprising,because I think I probably would
think just in assumption itmight be a little triggering,
but it also really showed me howmuch I healed because it's not
triggering.
I really understand people willshare their stories and I feel
(16:28):
like I've heard so many thingsand the levels of abuse.
I mean you name it, I've heardit and probably then some, and
just the fact that people feelsafe with me.
I think is really importantbecause what happens is I'm able
to help them in a morenurturing way to understand how
(16:50):
it's affecting their energy body, and I think that's been really
helpful, I think just for allinvolved, myself included just
to see like, okay, I wentthrough this for a reason and I
get to see the reason almostevery day.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Wow.
Well, thank you for doing allof the work so that you can be
of service to so many people.
I mean, how wonderful is it?
It's just amazing thatindividuals because you could
have really taken two paths Oneyou could have just turned
around and been a horribleperson, or you rose above it
continue to work on yourself andyou're helping others.
(17:27):
So thank you for that.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Thank you for saying that too, because that really is
.
Those are those paths.
When you've been raised bynarcissism, it becomes part of
you and it doesn't mean youbecome a narcissist, but you
will carry the fleas.
You will carry the nature ofnarcissism, because when it's
been in your environment andyour entire life, you wear it
like a coat or it can becomepart of you.
(17:51):
So, yeah, I really needed tounpack those elements so that I
wasn't myself toxic and I didn'tallow it to rule my life the
way it did so many generationsin my line.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Sure, and you may have probably been told this by
people that are kind of in yourcircle about, maybe, how kind
you are.
They're surprised at how maybeyou lead with kindness.
So much from your pastexperiences with being raised
with parents that may not havebeen so kind in the world, and
you chose kindness.
Isn't that beautiful?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, yeah, and I like to believe I did it more
authentically, because whenpeople meet my mother, they
would say that too, but don'trecognize there's another side
to her.
That's not so pretty.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Right.
They always think like what'swrong with you?
She's so wonderful, she's soamazing.
And I think you're the crazyperson.
And I remember you know mesaying some things and I was
kind of labeled I'm beingungrateful, I'm being the brat,
and then something happens andthen I got an apology from
someone that said I'm I'm reallysorry that we didn't believe
(18:56):
you.
Like now we see Validating andvalidating, and I just cried, I
was just sobbing because it wasfinally Because you think you're
crazy, like you'll tell peoplestories from your childhood and
they're like that's not normaland I thought it was normal,
(19:17):
yeah, and that's exactly how ithappens.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
People will respond and be like that's not okay,
that's not normal, and yeah, Imean, I think the path for me
was paved a little bit becausethere were aunts and uncles that
cut off my parents before Iever did.
So I sought them out when Imade that choice.
But I think for those like you,when you're the one making that
(19:43):
first jump, it's reallyisolating because you will be
looked at as the problem.
How could you and especially ifyour mom is very good at
putting on a mask to others andmany are Very funny.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, and then I'm the only child.
So when you're the child on topof it, there's that immense
guilt.
Yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Well, in all fairness I mean, I am not an only child
and my two siblings, well, oneabsolutely has become my father.
So, um, but the other, who wasso clear and understanding, yes,
I've seen everything mom does.
I fully agree with you.
And yet um won't ever cut heroff because, um, she again, she
(20:26):
couldn't handle the guilt.
So it really takes a verystrong person to make that
choice.
It's, it's not easy, it reallyisn't.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
And then you kind of get sucked in a little bit and
then you remember why.
There it is.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
There it is.
Yeah, it can feel masochisticin nature, like why do I keep
doing this to myself?
It's the same story, it's thesame, but it's a pattern.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
It's going to change.
Maybe a rock bottom happenedand then there comes a comeback.
There it is.
That's the reason why.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
That's why they call it the cycle of abuse, because
it's never constant abuse.
It is always a cycle, and whenthat cycle keeps going, you keep
going in it and going in it.
It will absolutely make youdizzy.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Well, this question can be used in your experiences.
An energy healer, spiritualcounselor or psychic medium what
are some qualities that youlook for in an energy healer,
spiritual counselor or psychicmedium?
What are some qualities thatyou look for in an energy healer
or energy worker?
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Authenticity, and I know that's easier said than
done or seemingly obvious, but Ifeel like when I really got
into this work, I noticed thatthere were a lot of people that
were very judgmental inspirituality and that stunned me
.
Because I'm here, I'm thinkinglike, oh, I'm joining this
(21:43):
spiritual community andeveryone's going to be all
welcoming and loving.
No, there, you know, it'sreally when you recognize those
people that are like I, I'm yourcommunity, I'm not your
competition, like those are thepeople I love to connect with.
That's just feels good because,because it's real, it's
authentic, it's, it's, it'speaceful, right, right, yeah,
that's the good people.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
If they're supporting you, don't need to gatekeep in
this profession.
Sometimes, you know, there maynot be that fit or time.
I have things going on in mylife right now and people have
come forward for sessions andthings and I've had to refer,
refer them to students and otherpeople, just because things in
my life wasn't kind of inalignment.
(22:23):
So it's okay, it's all right topass it on.
So what advice would you givesomeone who's just starting in
this profession?
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Trust your gut, just trust that guidance.
It's always speaking to youReally every moment of every day
, and if you find you can't tapinto that, then there's some
trauma there that's blocking youfrom it.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, good advice, good advice.
What are some books that yourecommend?
Speaker 3 (22:58):
advice.
What are some books that yourecommend?
Probably one of my favorite andregular go-tos is you Can Heal
your Life by Louise Hay.
I love that one, asking it IsGiven by Abraham Hicks.
Esther Hicks is a really goodone.
I really love Kyle Gray, so hisbooks like you know you're like
working with angels I haveseveral of his books.
Like you know, if you're likeworking with angels, I have
(23:18):
several of his books which areprobably his favorite.
One of mine is the one relatedto Ascended Masters.
Beautiful, beautiful.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Love, love Kyle Gray.
I'm a part of his angel team soI love that Wonderful.
So what other services do youoffer?
Do you do classes, trainings?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
My primary service is energy healing slash reading.
So that's where I will connectwith someone's chakra system and
read their chakras and what'scoming up in their body and then
I'll offer suggestions on howto address anything that comes
up or work to heal the energythat might be stagnant or
overstimulated.
The other thing I do regularly,but in kind of throughout the
(24:04):
year, not all throughout theyear is teach classes on
spiritual development so peoplethat find they're coming into
their gifts.
I actually just finished aclass series called Up Level
your Intuitions where I wasreally just teaching people
about connecting to that innervoice and expanding with it.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
All right.
So do you do services onlineand in person?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yes, I do both Primarily online, but I do do
person as well.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
All right.
Well, where can we find you ifsomeone's listening to this or
watching this right now andthey're like this is my girl, I
got to connect.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
My website's the easiest way to find me, because
it's my name, chris Wasco dotcom, and everything's pretty
much there, beautiful.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
All right.
Well, that ends the first partof our journey.
I'm going to guide you into thesecond part, which are
questions from Reiki studentsand social media.
So here we go.
Number one what inspired you tospecialize in trauma recovery?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
My own path.
I started actually helping kidsbut I didn't realize that I was
helping them in the way thatultimately I was told I did Um
because when parents wereventing about their children to
me and this would be in like alike a play date setting when my
(25:18):
kids were young I got to hearthe children's inner thoughts
and I would share um you know,obviously with permission and
all the stuff that goes withthat, even before I knew what
was going on, but I could justhear them.
So it really helped meunderstand that I could kind of
play this mediator role,energetically speaking, and had
(25:41):
people tell me how I helped healtheir relationship with their
children.
So that's a lot of how thisstarted for me.
I don't work as much withchildren.
I do work with a lot of teensnow, with their parents of
course, but mostly I have adults.
But yeah, it started my path tokids and now mostly adults.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Beautiful.
I love that and it just kind ofcame with it.
It's how wonderful that evolvedfor you.
So, number two, what is yourrole of an energetic counselor
and how can an energeticcounselor be of service to
someone?
Speaker 3 (26:15):
It's.
It's funny.
I love this question because Ido have a lot of my.
My clients will call me atherapist and I'm always very
careful.
I like I am not certified.
I am, I'm not.
I am not a therapist.
I am, but I think, because whathappens is is people talk to me
and they share their storiesand they share their energy.
(26:38):
I'm really able to see a lotand feel a lot and counsel them
on how they can help themselves.
I'm very big on helping peopleheal themselves because I
believe we as individuals areour best healers.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Right, right.
It's so interesting becauseyou'll get many especially Reiki
master teachers and they feeluncomfortable with the word
master because they feel likethey haven't mastered it.
So it's like where do youreally?
How do you, how do you nameyourself?
And for I was calling myselflike an energy coordinator, you
know.
So it's so important, you know,as you're watching the language
(27:16):
of it, so energetic counselorfor them to come to share with
you.
So beautiful.
Our third question why is it soimportant that we heal from
narcissistic abuse?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Because it affects your energy, whether you know it
or not, and it's very heavy.
It's a big weight and oftenmanifests in the body.
For me, I had a thyroidcondition that I have since
healed.
I am not on any medication andmy thyroid is fully functioning
and absolutely wonderful now,and it was healing from
(27:49):
narcissistic abuse.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah, and it really spreads.
I mean, especially when youhave that parent and then the
kids see it.
And one of the things I wasoften said by my parent and she
actually said to me well, I hopeyour children treat you the way
you treat me.
And I had friends say to meyeah, I hope they do, because
(28:11):
you've been very patient andyou've been very kind and you've
been very tolerant with that,because it does affect everybody
because they are grandparents,right, they're family members.
It's so hard again goingagainst what you're taught in
the church.
You honor that parent, right,no matter what.
(28:33):
And you have stories like oh,but they gave up this for you
and they sacrificed this for you.
You're being ungrateful.
So it's really hard with that.
But it is just this as you goprocess, you think you're healed
.
Then something happens and bypausing and doing that energy,
work, that self-regulation itgets you through that little
(28:53):
bump.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
It really does.
I remember when I was hearing alot of those things in the
beginning and feeling the guilt,someone had said you don't owe
them anything for the right tobe born and I found that so
empowering and I hope a lot ofothers can find that empowering,
because so many parents, it's achoice to become a parent, it's
a choice to raise that child.
(29:14):
So any quote, unquote sacrificethat they've given that this
was all choice based.
They didn't have to havechildren.
Children and I mean in myparents' case they probably
shouldn't have.
But when you do, it's your jobto be a parent.
It's not your child's job toworship you and to put you on a
pedestal?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Or to support you.
Some parents will be, nope, Idid my job and now I'm going to
move in with you and you'regoing to do this.
And this expectation of, likeyou go out to dinner and you're
supposed to pay the bill, right,and it's like okay, I mean,
yeah, it's just quiteinteresting with that, and
especially if you have a parentthat mixes that behavior with
(29:57):
religion and uses religion andthe Bible and starts shooting
out Bible verses and things likethat, you're not doing this
according to the word and youneed to repent, go home and read
your Bible.
It's like who are you to knowmy journey with God?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Exactly.
Yeah, it is challenging.
I myself I'm a recoveringCatholic and a lot of that does
get thrown around, and youreally.
I think, as individuals, it'sup to us to find out what our
relationship is to religion, tospirituality, to God, whatever
(30:34):
the case may be.
And the more I heal, the more Irecognize when it's my time,
I'm at peace, I'm good, and Iknow my parents can't say the
same.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
I'm at peace, I'm good, and I know my parents
can't say the same, right, andthat's the thing that makes it
different is that you are thecatalyst for change.
You are making that you'rebreaking that generational cycle
and says this is enough.
And my I have four children, mythree daughters have such
strong boundaries and they keepme in check.
(31:07):
They're like no, they'll callme on it and and it was like wow
, I'm really, they're reallycoming at me.
But they feel safe that they'reable to do this, that they're
able to say hey, like you didthis.
And I, and I have enough sensein my experience to say you know
what, I'm sorry, I didn't getthat from my parents that.
(31:28):
I was, they were sorry or thatthey were doing, and they, they
believe that they did an amazingjob.
You know, and I have to forgivethem because in their mind they
were doing the best that theycould do.
But it's this acknowledgementthat saying I'm sorry, I'll do
better.
Thank you for sharing that withsorry.
I'll do better.
Thank you for sharing that withme, because I didn't know and
(31:49):
I'm learning and trying toimprove, and I even pointed out
to my daughter the other day.
I said here's the difference.
I'm trying to fix it.
And no one tried to fix thatfor me.
It was either this way, or I'mgoing to hang up on you or I'm
not going to talk to you, right?
So I was never given thatopportunity.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
So no, and it's very hurtful because it's putting the
responsibility on the childwhen it's really up to the
parent to be self reflective,because you know, when you have
a parent that in insteaddeflects, every time that you're
the problem, you're to blame,and if you weren't this way, it
never would be that way.
It really shows an individualthat has no want or ability to
(32:32):
try and heal, because we'renever going to look within.
They're never going to look atthemselves.
This is not to suggest thatevery single thing that they're
doing is wrong, but don't putyourself on a healing path of a
healthy relationship If you haveone that is willing to try and
one that just wants toconstantly point blame.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Right.
And even if you have arelationship that's hanging by a
shoestring, why is it thechild's responsibility to call
the parent to keep communicationgoing?
Why is it on them?
Nobody asks what did yourparent do, right?
It's always like, well, that'syour mother, that's your father,
this is your family.
You need to get over it and notasking you what went wrong,
(33:12):
what was, what was the finalbreaking point for you?
It's always like but how couldyou do that?
Speaker 3 (33:18):
And it really as far as a final breaking point, it's
really the final, like I'm justnot doing this anymore.
There's always a buildup, it isnever just one thing.
And they really like to make itabout one thing and then
oversimplify it Like, oh, it wasjust this one event.
How dare you get upset Like no,it's never just about the one
(33:40):
event, that was just the onethat I finally said enough, I'm
not doing this anymore and it'susually thousands, thousands and
different situations, differentthings and the finally saying
it's enough and putting theseboundaries up and sticking with
them.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
And then then you get real back in and then it's
showing the same behavior againand then, especially as they get
older too, you feel terrible,and then they'll get it with but
I'm going to die soon.
I don't have much longer, youknow, um, come visit me before I
die.
It's like oh, my goodness, yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Well, again, that goes back to guilt Cause.
I remember feeling that too andyou really have to go through a
mourning period because someonethat has chosen not to speak to
their parents, and then if thatparent dies, you mourn them
twice.
Mourn them the first timebecause you're mourning the loss
of a parent you actuallydeserved and didn't have, and
(34:34):
then you're mourning the loss ofthem, you know, in body and if
you're not at peace with it, youknow.
I like to say it's been muchmore peaceful now for me, but
I'm sure in a way I'll mournthem when it's their time.
But I'm not in any way wantinga relationship again, because I
know how incredibly toxic it isand how much better my life has
(34:55):
been without them.
It's been beautiful.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, one of the things that I had to work on in
my healing journey which theReiki prayer, all the things
that I do helped is I havegirlfriends who lost their
mothers and it's devastating.
They were best friends and heremy mother's still here and I
made the conscious choice.
So seeing my friends grieve,losing, their mother and it's
(35:20):
like and then I've even haddiscussions with them and
they're like, no, like wecompletely understand why you
had to do what you need to do.
I mean, they read the textmessages.
They they've been a part of thejourney for years now and they
see it.
But you have that bit of guilt,a little bit, you know, when
you have a friend that loses aparent and yours is still
(35:42):
walking the earth, right?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Yes, that's actually an interesting synchronicity.
You and I have one of myclosest friends.
When I was cutting my motheroff, had already lost hers and
it was a horrible loss for her.
It was unexpected, so realshock to the nervous system and
she was the most supportiveperson, especially in the
beginning when I was a mess andI didn't know what to do.
(36:05):
And I remember apologizing toher like I'm so sorry.
I feel selfish telling you this.
You know, when you've lost yourmother and she's like no, no,
no, no, no.
We did not have the same motherand I really love the fact that
she could be so open hearted atthat time especially.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Wow.
Well, I'm really glad that shewas in your life at that time to
help you through it, becauseyou're moving forward and doing
such amazing and wonderful work.
Well, that was our lastquestion.
Is there anything else that youwant to share, something that
you may have forgotten about?
The floor is yours.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
I would love to share .
I actually I do have a book outin the world.
It's called An Old Soul'sJourney and it looks and reads
like a children's book andchildren do love it because
there's a little white rabbitthey like to find in the pages.
But it's also geared towardsinner child healing Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Well, thank you, chris, so much for sharing all
of that, and let us know againyour website where individuals
can find you.
It's chriswascocom.
Beautiful, all right.
Well, thank you so much fortaking this journey with me and
to my wonderful listeners.
If you would like your questionfeatured on Ready Set Reiki,
reach out.
Check me out atwwwreadysetreikicom, check me
(37:19):
out on Facebook, send me anemail.
I'm Tracy Seawright and thishas been Ready Set Reiki.
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