Bonus 47: Celebrity Baby Names and Predictions (Summer 2025)

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Hey, what's up? It's your own story.
And who is ready to be petty? Welcome back to another episode
of RTBB. I'm so glad you're here.
And I'm back with a very specialguest, Sophie Keem, the editor
in chief at name. Barry is here.
Sophie, how are you? Oh, I'm so good Tori.
Thank you so much for having me.This is always such a highlight
of my year. No, mine too.

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This is the third time we've done celebrity baby names and
predictions and it's always justsuch a fun episode that I always
look forward to. Oh my gosh, no.
So do I. I think I qualify as a friend of
the pod. Yes, absolutely.
I know third times the charm. I feel like so.

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So do I I feel comfortable like with that label now?
Nice, nice. OK, I love that for me.
So as people might know, but maybe we've got some new
listeners, you are a baby name expert and you work for a
website that kind of like consults and shares lists and
does trends of baby names. And you also work as a therapist

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with some, I guess, parents thatare experiencing perinatal mood
disorders. So that includes things like
anxiety, depression, and OCD. I mean, these, these two tabs,
they often in collide, right? Working with with parents on,
you know what you want to name your baby.
It's very emotional name changes, right?

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If people changing the name of their baby.
I, I see a lot of that, which often, you know, corresponds
with some of the, the mood disorder stuff.
And yeah, often with my, with myclients, if I'm doing therapy
with someone who's expecting a baby, we will talk about names
because people often have a lot of feelings and anxieties about

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that. So I love both my jobs, but
Nameberry in particular holds a very special place in my heart.
Because baby names. I mean, who doesn't love to talk
about baby names? I love it and I, I feel like my
perspective on baby names since we've chatted has kind of
softened a little bit. I feel like I was like, so I

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feel like I was so judgmental. I'm like so like rude, which is
like, I guess it's like you can have preferences.
I feel like I've softened in a lot of my celebrity takes and
stuff like that and become maybea more empathetic person over
the years. But but I I don't know, I feel

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way more open to kind of names that I never thought I would
ever be open to before. Yeah, no.
Oh, I love that, that I've helped open your mind.
I mean, there's still some some weird choices out there, but
with with a lot of celebrities, there's usually something to
appreciate about their baby names.

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And then there are the ones, youknow, I'm sure we're going to
talk about them today. Yeah, really.
For that shock. Wow.
It's the shock factor and that'swhen I get sad because then it
doesn't feel like it's for the baby.
Like for the child. It feels like it's for public,
like consumption and stuff. But when even if they pick a

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name that is in my eyes, like out there and stuff like that,
but it feels like it's right forthem, I that's when I'm like,
OK, like I'll rock with it. Completely right.
And again, like we will talk about today, there are some that
people have like really criticized where I'm like, no,
that feels right for the parents.
And then there are others where I'm like, OK, interesting,

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interesting choice that definitely, you know, the
parents chose it understanding it was going to get a
significant headline, right. Totally, totally.
Yeah. And persistent.
Like we still talk about Apple Martin.
I feel like as a. I mean, is Apple not weird
anymore? I'm like, why there are so many
weirder examples 100. Percent.

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I think was Apple was one of thefirst really, I mean, she's in
her 20s now, but she's one of the first really kind of quote
UN quote crazy celebrity baby names that people go back to
that all the time. But now I'm like, if someone I
knew named their baby Apple, I'dbe like.
I wouldn't blink like I, I, yeah, like I truly, I know.

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But it's so funny. I even saw a TikTok this week
talking about Apple Martin and why they chose that name and
stuff like that. And I was like, we are still
talking about that. Yeah, 20 years later.
I was like a really out there and random choice.
I know. I feel like I should make a
TikTok about that now. You should.
Why are we still talking about this?

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Yes, let's move on. OK, That's mentally banking that
because, yeah. Thanks for the idea.
I'll credit you. So what is new in the baby
naming world? Last time we chatted we talked
about how book names, like with The Rise of A Court of Thorns

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and Roses and stuff like that, we were seeing some Nestas and
some Cassians. Are there any new interesting
baby naming trends? Well, I mean romanticity names
are still really going strong here.
I mean, when the new data came out for this year, we we saw
some new choices. Naira saw that one from.

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Yeah, maybe like Crescent City or something.
Or something. Yeah, I mean, there were
definitely like we, we are stillseeing names from this, from
this world. Definitely.
People are giving them to their babies.
And I think people are giving these names that have this style
just to their babies. Like they want something that

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feels really romantic, Like it could be the hero of a
romanticity novel, right? Not a part of the series.
Because some parents do shy awayfrom names that have really
strong ties to a fictional character, understandably.
I understand. Really.
Like it would be wild to be named like Hermione in 2025.

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Yeah, that was when they actually had so much potential
before Harry Potter. Like, if it was not in that
series, I feel like we would seea bunch of girls named Hermione
because it's like, think about Phoebe, right?
This is another ancient Greek name.
It has sounds, and parents are loving that.

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It's really rising, you know, similarly with names like Daphne
and Hermione, very similar in many ways, but because the
association's so strong it and that's the really the only
association in most people's minds that this it's hard to
overcome. And certain names, I mean, I
would say like 1-1 recent example is that Eloise has

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definitely overcome the Eloise at the Plaza associations and
now he's just everywhere. But yeah, I I don't think that's
going to happen to Hermione anytime soon, which is
unfortunate because. It is a beautiful name.
Yeah. And Naira is from The Veiled
Kingdom by Molly Renee. I've never read that, but I am

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a, I'm a romanticity reader, so maybe I'll add that to maybe I
need to add that. But like, it does make sense.
Like I truly cannot imagine myself naming my child after a
book character, but it does makesense.
You're right of like if you if you, if you think they're
courageous and smart and loyal and stuff like that, it does

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make sense. Like you kind of, I think that's
what you want to like project, Iguess onto your kid or whatever
through that name. Yeah.
You think like, oh, OK, these, you know, they might have these
qualities or these values of this character.
I mean, one thing that I'm also noticing a lot is like, this
trend is going in the other direction too, where the authors

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of these romantic books are choosing names or like slightly
altering names that are already trendy for babies.
And so like, we're seeing like Ithink in multiple romanticy
series, they're like Eloen in various spellings, ELOWEN or
ending in Wyn. And this is like a Cornish name

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that traditionally is pronouncedEloen in Cornwall.
But but Americans have like havereally taken to this name.
And so now it's interesting. It does feel like it has kind of
that romanticy vibe and some of the writers have have picked up
on that. Like nothing sounds like Selena.

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I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing that right.
Yes, here. It is I that does sound familiar
to me. It's probably I just always
assume it's some Sarah J mask, but she because she is also I
think when I think of her characters, I do think like
that's Elaine, but there's no E at the end.
Like it's just, it is kind of like names that are, yeah, just

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like with a slight variant. So I think that makes sense.
But that always drives me nuts because.
Because then you say it in your head like you would in real
life. And then someone gives this name
to their baby and it's like, well, there is no agreed upon
pronunciation of this name. I mean, I'm sure the author has
some idea in their head about how it should be pronounced, but

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yeah, people can can take that and and run with it.
So, yeah, we're we're still seeing a lot of these romanticy
names. I don't think that's going to go
away anytime soon. Definitely some other ones or
some trends that we saw borne out in the data when it was
released. Are these these safe haven

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names? And I can't remember if we
talked about this the last time last summer, but Truce.
TRUCE was the fastest rising boyname in the US seemingly out of
nowhere. And my theory is that it comes
from, you know, there's all thisunrest and war in the world.
And I think people are really craving peace and stability.

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And so we're seeing names for girls like Heaven Haven and
Meadow for boys, Shepherd Callum, which means Dove, a very
peaceful name, and Forest, Halo and Shiloh for both sexes.
Like these are these were all among the fastest rising names,
at least in the US. But I think this this broadly

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kind of extends to North Americawhere, you know, parents really
want these these just gentle names with a very they're just
very evocative of tranquility. So we're seeing that, which I
love that I do too, yeah. Yeah, 'cause I, I remember we

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did talk about like Riker and Gunner, like, like those type,
like those are the Pratt kids. But like, yeah, the like really
evoking like weaponry and like war and stuff like that.
So I'm pleasantly surprised thatthe tides are turning.
Yeah, I mean, there's still, there's still a subset of

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parents who are going to be drawn towards names like Trigger
and Wrecker, like these really aggressive point names, but
those are used in much smaller numbers than these safe haven
names. Yeah, that's that is very
heartening for sure. Another one we're seeing and

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this, you know, this does have aa celebrity baby name tie.
So what we're calling plural names, which are names that end
in South, but they're they're nouns.
So Rhodes towns, which was Hilary Duff's baby's name,
Wells, Gates, Brooks, Banks and definitely Blues, you know, the

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middle name of Haley and Justin Bieber's son Jack.
So this was already the rising category.
My prediction is that this one, this is just going to take off
now that we have a couple different celebrity endorsements
in the past year. And this is really just hitting
on multiple turns at once. You know, these these word names

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that that have that wordy, very familiar sound, but they're also
well established as surnames typically.
And so you get them feeling a little bit namier than a typical
word name because of the the surname element.
And people just really like thatkind of preppy.

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These can lean kind of Western, a little bit little cowboy.
So I've seen a lot of parents drawn to these names, mostly for
boys. Yeah, I love that.
I love the, I like, love all of those names that you mentioned.
And it's funny, the Western thing, because it's like that is
also a huge trend in the last couple years.
Yeah. That's another one I have on my

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list. Like these these western nature
names? Is.
One side recently, so names thatkind of split the difference
between being just a bonafide nature name and that cowboy
cowgirl aesthetic. So we're seeing a lot of names
like Dove and Fern for girls, Briar for both sexes, Sunny,

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same thing, both sexes. And then of course, you know,
all the oak names like Oakley and Oakland and, you know, Oh my
gosh, there are more oaks. Just parents are really using
these for their kids. And yeah, again, it kind of fits
into those more modern cowboy names, but also just the nature

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names that everybody's loving right now.
Yeah, I think that's good. It's like it seems trendy and
modern, but still kind of classic in some ways.
Yeah. And Cardi B, her third child,
was is Blossom that was recentlyrevealed.
Yeah. Yeah.
Oh my gosh. Yeah.
Blossom. Very cute.
Very cute. I mean, that reminds me more of,

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like the, you know, Powerpuff girls then, yeah.
A little bit. It's good.
Yeah, it. Is given a little bit powerpuff
western nature trend regardless but I don't know.
Cardi B doesn't give western nature vibes to me so I think
she probably chose it for it's more cute.
Very feminine in feminine. Yeah, yeah, cute.

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OK, let's on that note, let's dive into some of these baby
names. So we chatted last July.
So I've been collecting this list all year.
People, I'm sure I've missed people, but these are some folks
that have had kids over the lastyear that we're going to chat
about. So the first one was Francesca
Farrago from Too Hot to Handle and her partner Jesse Sullivan,

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who's an actor. They had one kid, Jesse, from a
previous relationship had Arlo, and they gave birth to twins
Lockett, romance Sullivan and poetry Lucia Sullivan.
Yeah, I mean, this was they did such a good job on social media

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with really fighting these because I did not watch too hot
to handle. Like I was not aware of who
these people were before all of this BB name stuff.
And then I got super invested because I I was like, they're
going to choose these really outthere names.

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So I, I, I thought they they nailed it here.
I mean, poetry didn't feel like a surprise.
This is a name that or it's a word that sounds very name like
we're already, or at least poet is kind of a beloved name in the

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Nameberry community. So I know a lot of people who
have poet on their baby name list.
And so poetry very similar. Lockett was more of a surprise.
I hadn't heard Lockett as I meanbefore, but like, oh, that, that
works. I've heard people consider Lock
for a boy sound and a name like Lachlan so totally fits and

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those names that end in that T sound are just very on trend
right now. Bennett, Beckett, Truitt, right.
And so Lockett slots in there super nicely.
Lockett romance. That's a little bit.
We're it's like a mouthful for me.

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The whole heavy-handed, I think based on, you know, my personal
taste for word names, I like poetry, Lucia or Lucia, I forget
how they're saying it. I think that's that's just it's
it's really nice. I think that works well as a
combo. Lucia's a really traditional
name. It works well with this more

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modern word name like poetry. So yeah, overall I think they
they did really well. I would have maybe especially
because their twins matched in terms of format like thank you.
Yeah. If you're not, if you're not
going to use a double word name for both, like either use the

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double word, use the double wordname for both of them, or do
word name with traditional middle name.
Yes. Yeah, that is honestly my only
note because I actually, and I'mgoing to get ripped apart in the
comments for this. I actually like Lockett and
poetry. I think it's cute.
I think it's cute. And I think that you're right,

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though, it's like romance, like having these like kind of like
nouns. And then Lucy.
I wonder if that was like, oh, it probably is Lucia because
Francesca is maybe. Italian maybe, yeah, that's not
your name. Yeah, then it is.
Then probably Lucia, but I thinkshe said it was a family name
and so. That makes sense to me too.

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Which? Is great but like use another
like traditional name. Totally.
For Lockett's middle name. Or, you know, say we're not
doing family names and we're going to name her, you know,
poetry, love or, you know, whatever people are doing.
It's totally. Yeah, that, that really is my

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only note as well. Me too.
And yeah, they just ramped up the baby content like really
over because I actually didn't even watch her season of Too Hot
to Handle. So and I was getting fed all of
that content. So Congrats to them.
And then my one of my favorite reality TV stars of all time,

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Lindsay Hubbard from Summer House had a baby with her
partner or ex partner, I guess at this point, Turner Koof.
She they named her baby Gemma Britt Koof, and it's their first
kid together. Yeah, I mean, I have, I have no
issue with Gemma. It's cute name Gemma Britt.

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I I do think they get points there for doing a less common
single syllable middle name. Only so many single syllable
names out there and you see people gravitating towards the
same ones. So you know, the classics like
Rose and May, but what are we seeing lately?

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Love, like I said here, is is becoming more popular.
Just these we're seeing more word middle names in in general.
So you know any any word that isjust one syllable long, people
people are really using it may Fey.

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Yeah, you have the classics likeJane and Jean and stuff like
that. So Brit is one that you don't
see very often. I wouldn't love it as a first
name, but it I think it works really nicely as as a middle
name, so. It's cute.
It seems, cuz like I feel like Lindsey would have grown up in
the era of like, yeah, Brittany's, Jennifer's, Jenna's

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like that type of stuff. So like, but I it does seem kind
of like a little bit more modernof a name like then just saying
Brittany or something. Right.
And I wonder, yeah, does that, does that honor someone
important to her Cuz, right. Britt is more generationally
congruent with Lindsey's. Yeah.
And then Brittany Mahomes had a child with Patrick Mahomes,

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which we know from the NFL and being, you know, Taylor Swift's
besties. They had their third child,
Golden Ray Holmes, whose siblings are Sterling Sky, and
Patrick Levon, the third, also known as bronze.
So they are doing a medal kind of situation here, I mean.

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Did they know that they were going to like stop at 3 kids?
Are they? Is there a potential for another
one? I mean, some of these, you know,
NFL families end up having a lotof kids.
And now I'm kind of like, well, what do you call the the fourth?
Yeah. I mean over golden bronze, which
the main reason why I don't likethat is because it conveys.

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Like status. Yeah, I was thinking that too.
Like, yeah, like golden. Golden is the golden child.
Right. It's like that's number one
sterling silver, number 2 bronze#3 I think, I don't know.
I'd have less issue with it if it was in birth order, but

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obviously they couldn't plan that.
I mean, I do think bronze is a very clever nickname for 1/3.
Tons of props on that. I feel like people will emulate
that so that I don't hate this just feels a little too feeny
for me. And then with the inherent
hierarchy, I'm like, I don't, I don't love it.

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We all knew the third child was gonna be golden, right?
They're also like, you're not guessing at that point.
So I, yeah, very curious to see if there was a fourth child
'cause then I'm like they've they've painted themselves into
a corner view. I know and I think their dog is
also named after. It's like, it's like gun metal
or something, something. Crazy great.

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So this is really, I, I warn parents against this sort of
thing because you would be surprised how many parents are
like, oh, we're done having kidsand we this theme.
And then, you know, spontaneously they're expecting
again. And then you feel like you just
feel a lot of pressure to use a name that matches a theme rather

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than, you know, keep picking whatever name you want.
I feel like now they can't really do that.
Yeah, I could see maybe like could they move to like jewel,
like diamond? Yeah, Yeah, they probably could
that that would still be within,I mean, if they did like Ruby, I

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guess. Yeah, that's cute.
I like the name Ruby. I also my cousin almost named
her kid Goldie and I love that name.
I'm just like waiting for someone else to name their kid
that. Always really cute.
I was surprised that I don't know if they call their daughter
Goldie, but I assumed that they probably would since I mean,

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Golden is not unfashionable, butGoldie's just a little bit more
mainstream. Yeah.
So yeah, I wonder if they call her Goldie.
They should. We'll see.
We have Andy Dorfman, who was from The Bachelorette, married
to Blaine Hart, an actor, and they had Harper Bellhart, their
first child together. This is like that again, this

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like era of like, I feel like this Stassi Schroeder with
Hartford. And so like, it's very Harper,
like it's very that type of I guess like woman in her 30s
like. That was exactly what I was
going to say. Like Harper is an older mom name
at this point. It's a little bit past its prime

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in the US. Not that like that's a bad
thing. It's still quite popular, but it
just, it's past past its peak. And so I feel like it appeals to
parents who are not, as they're just not as worried about that
sort of thing at this point in their lives.
It's a, it's a cute name. I, I see why parents like

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Harper, Harper Bell, It just like it feels so normal.
You know, for, for better or worse, it is a really normal
name. That kid will have no issues
name wise. Like it doesn't feel like a
celebrity baby name. This feels like the name of a 10
year old in my neighborhood. Exactly, which is probably for

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the best because they are like kind of D list celebrity.
Like I do think people have whenthey are like the Kim
Kardashians of the world. They have the privilege of
naming their kids something thatwon't plague them for the rest
of their lives, right? I think Apple Martin's probably
really glad that her name is still being talked about because

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it just it, it keeps her relevant, right?
100 percent, 100% when you were talking about the normalcy of
this, that got me thinking like we just got the stats for BC
where I live or like maybe in the last couple months and like
it's it's still Olivia and Liam I think are the top 2 names.

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Why do you think? I guess for normalcy I'm
assuming but like why do some ofthose names just persist even
though you like can almost guarantee in your kids class and
stuff there's going to be 5 other Olivia's and stuff?
Yeah, I mean, a few reasons. One, that a certain number of

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those parents just aren't aware of popularity statistics.
And maybe this is the first babyand they don't know any little
kids. And so they're like, oh, Olivia,
you know what? What a nice name.
I've never heard that before. And they think they just have no
idea how popular. There are those parents.
There are the parents that understand that it's popular but
either don't care or are like, that's actually a good thing,

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right? I want my child to really fit in
with their generation and to, you know, not have an unusual
name. You know, I think often people
who grow up and have unusual names and don't like that go in
the opposite direction for, for their own kids.
And, you know, there there's a group of parents who was like,

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oh, Olivia's been my favorite name since 2nd grade.
I'm so upset that it got this common, but I, I don't care.
I'm going to use it anyways. So you see a lot of that.
And then the names at the top ofthe charts just move slower
anyways because there's more, there are bigger gaps in
between, you know, the top baby name and the second most popular

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baby name in terms of number of babies given the name each year.
And the names that are at the top are they're popular for a
reason. And these days to get to the top
of the charts in North America, you have to have cross cultural
appeal. And both Olivia and Liam, they
get top marks for that. I mean, the living art works in

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any Romance language that you could think of, you know, is
obviously very well used in any English speaking country.
And Liam has a lot of different draws to it.
I mean, most people use it as the, the Irish name as a short

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form of William, but it's, I mean, that's really easy to
pronounce in Spanish and a lot of Spanish speakers here in
North America that use it. It's, I know as a, as a Jewish
name, there's like a different derivation that it can, you
know, get it to have a, a reallypositive meaning in Hebrew,

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which I'm forgetting at the moment.
So it, you know, it appeals to parents like that, Jewish
parents. And yeah, it's just people get
it. It's easy to understand and say
you have a William in your family, which many people,
because it's been one of the most common names in North
America for centuries, that it'sa kind of modern way to honor

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someone. I mean, I know families where
grandpa's called Bill, Dad's will, and now baby is Liam
because that's just, you know, it's a way to keep a name going
in a family. And so, you know, William is
still very popular itself getting a little less common,
but a lot of those babies are probably called Liam as well.

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That makes a lot of sense of like, you're right, if it's been
popular for centuries, then oftentimes people are going to
call back to relatives when theychoose the.
Especially with boy names, it's more it's it's more about
position with boy names. I know, I know, even when we
talked about the Mahomes family,but that that sucks for women

(29:58):
like it just you just kind of get a little bit erased in some
of. Those, Yeah, I mean, and the
origins of this are are not, notnot necessarily great.
I mean, sociologically, you know, back in the day, parents
would name sons after relatives.It was just tradition.

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Like, you name your baby after their father and then, you know,
if you have another son after a grandfather or you go to uncles,
you know, you, you just kind of move out from from there.
And girls, it was seen as a better idea.
And I don't think this was necessarily conscious for a lot
of these parents, but that you wanted to give your daughter a

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very cute name, something that felt very feminine and modern
for the time because it made your daughter more attractive.
If you're you know, you're gonnaget married one day and you want
to kind of control her image. So this is that that's kind of
why we historically have had a much larger pool of girl names,

(31:03):
of traditional girl names at least, because there were just
more in circulation throughout the decade compared to boy
names. Like you have a handful and
you're just gonna recycle them every generation?
That is so interesting to me cuzwhen my sister had her baby, she
was thinking that like she just was like, am I?

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One of my girlfriends is pregnant too and she's just
like, I just can't think of any boy names and stuff like that.
Like it seems like there's such a smaller pool and I was like,
but there isn't. But there is, I guess, yeah.
There's actual, there's a real historical precedent for that
and I hear it all the time. I mean, the majority of people,
we'll say that boy names are harder than girl names.

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This is for people who who like traditional names, yeah.
So we have Poppy Delevingne nextwith Archie Keswick.
They had Kaya Moon, their first child together.
This was also very it seems likeit aligns with Poppy, but it
Kaya like we saw that also with Kristen Doty Kaya Lily

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Broderick. I know I was kind of surprised
to see multiple Kayas this year.It's not that it's, you know,
uncommon name. It just wasn't particularly
trending. Yeah, I think I do slightly
prefer Kaya Moon to Kaya Lily. I think Moon is just a more

(32:30):
interesting middle name, feels alittle bit more on on trend, you
know, single syllable nature name, whereas Lily, you know,
obviously spews much more traditional.
Yeah, I mean this, this feels like a really perfect modern
baby name where it it feels young, like, you know, a parent

(32:54):
in their in their late 20s, early 30s, maybe living in a in
a city, right would choose something like Kaya Moon.
But you you hide the more the rarer name in in the middle,
which I've seen a lot of just mainstream parents doing as
well. Totally, Yeah, I like it.
I like, yeah, I like Kaya Moon, the the ending in the A and

(33:17):
starting with the M seems a little like nicer to say than
the the L syllable. So I like that part of it.
And I, I really like the name Poppy and Archie.
I was like, actually, those are those are the names I like from
that family. Yeah, I I do prefer both of
those to Kaya. I don't know why.

(33:38):
I just. Yeah, Poppy's really cute.
Archie. Adorable.
It's nice. It's nice.
No palms. I guess exactly, yeah.
And then we had Maddie Pruitt, also a bachelor contestant, and
Grant Trout, who had Hosanna Rose Trout, their first child.

(34:00):
This is interesting to me because, and correct me if I'm
wrong, but this is like a maybe a southern.
Well, you know, interesting. It's hard to say if it's because
Hosanna's just not a popular name at all.
It's very religious. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(34:20):
So yeah, that tracks that. Tracks for this whole.
This family. Yeah, and that's the thing with
me. It's just like it hits you over
the head with Christianity. And so that's, you know, that
that I'm sure is what they were going for.
And it fits into this trend of these modern spiritual names

(34:41):
that we're seeing, especially among Christian parents, where
at this point, a lot of these younger millennial Christian
parents, they've gotten tired ofall these biblical names,
especially for girls, right? There are just fewer usable
biblical girl names in rotation.And so they're looking for other

(35:03):
options. And so we're seeing a lot of
like kind of cool Christian wordnames like Creed and Halo.
And even these words where it doesn't seem like they're
necessarily religious, but definitely have some, you know,
religious undertones like Rise or Reason parents are using, you
know, specifically for for connections to Christianity.

(35:26):
So Hosanna is one that I think splits the difference nicely
between it sounds like a real name, right?
Because of that Anna ending, it sounds like Susanna or Joanna,
but it is. It is a very recognizable
biblical. Biblical name, which is A why I

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didn't recognize it and B why I equated it to southern.
Like I shouldn't equate southernness to Christianity,
but yeah, that is that is reallyinteresting.
I also thought of Cruz like, which means cross in Spanish.
We see that a lot too, which is,yeah, I think a modern, modern

(36:13):
Christian name. But, and it is really popular to
have like this modern Christianity like lifestyle and
stuff like that, so. Right.
It's more of a thing. I mean, I'm surprised.
Like I, the only reason why I know all this stuff about
Hosanna is because I, I like some church had me give a talk
on, on the name Hosanna for PalmSunday, which I think it's like

(36:34):
specifically a Palm Sunday name,but I, I could be wrong.
And so, so I researched it and was looking at the usage and
stuff and it actually had dropped a few years ago, but now
it's back up again. I think because because of all
these reasons, and I'm sure now that it's a celebrity baby name,

(36:56):
that parents are going to be like, Oh yeah, Hosanna.
Susanna It really is interestingbecause it's one of those names
where I think it would be a beautiful like adult name, but
for a baby or a child, which I like.
Maybe that doesn't matter. It's like when you name your kid
like Greg or something, you just, you're like, you know,
don't. Name their babies Greg anymore.

(37:20):
Those are color Gregory. Yeah, it's not as common
anymore. Yeah, it just.
Seems like such an adult. Name.
It's a heavy name. Yeah.
It's yeah, it sounds really religious to me and I'm just not
drawn towards those types of names.
Like I understand why they why they picked it.

(37:41):
Yeah, it it makes a lot of sense.
We have Princess Beatrice and Eduardo Mapley, Mozzie, Athena,
Elizabeth Rose who is siblings with Sienna, Elizabeth and
Christopher Wolf, which is a stepson from Eduardo in a

(38:04):
previous relationship. I think they called.
Wolfie is cute. Wolfie is very cute.
And I'm assuming Elizabeth is obviously reference to Queen
Elizabeth, but Athena like Greek?
I know I was a little bit. I was only slightly surprised.

(38:24):
I mean, I think Athena and Sienna are good sister names.
Athena is a name that is on the rise in a lot of English
speaking countries. It's well used here in the US
and has been for, you know, overa decade now.
Less common in the UK for sure, which is why I was a little

(38:45):
surprised. And yeah, it almost feels like
you've taken a name from from a different royal family.
Royal. Family, but I was just doing a
quick Google because I realized Prince Philip it is Greek.
So true. Oh.
So yeah, there you go. It is honoring like that part of
the heritage. Yeah, for sure.

(39:08):
And you know, Greek gods and Roman gods.
I mean, they could have chosen is Athena the same as Diana,
which obviously they can't choose, but they that might be
the Roman epithet. But interesting it I mean,
Athena. It's it's really, I think
perfect with Sienna. I my, my one or two issues here.

(39:31):
1 is that I feel like they already honored Elizabeth, so
they don't need to make both of the girls middle names all over
me. And then why does she get
Elizabeth Rose and her sister only has Elizabeth?
Like I don't know. And also I want something like
he's Italian. I want, I'm craving something
that's really Italian. Just like, use something, do

(39:54):
something cool, do something that feels like Chiara,
something I don't know. But the Royals tend not to do
that. They tend to pick more.
Traditional and yeah, that makessense.
But yeah, that's true because yeah.
Athena. Greek, Eduardo.
Italian. Interesting, Sienna.

(40:15):
Sienna does remind me of like anItalian.
Oh, for sure. Opera singer, something I don't
know. Yeah, no Sienna like that.
That one made a lot of sense. And yeah, Athena, I mean, I
totally get it, but it's nice. It's really nice together.
Again, not names that I would choose for myself, but I think

(40:36):
you're right. Athena and Sienna together is
really, really cute. Yeah.
Yeah. No, I do think so.
And then we have Lily Collins, who's an actress, and Charlie
McDowell, who's a film director and writer.
Tove Jane McDowell. It's more like Tuvaratova.

(40:57):
And I mean, this is a Scandinavian name and I believe
she named her daughter after Tuva Yansen, who was the author
of the Muumen series. Like she's a, she's an artist
and wrote these amazing. I have 1:00 somewhere in my
office here. Cool.

(41:19):
He incredible, incredible artistwho is I think she was Swedish,
but there's like she's like a Swedish Finnish there's like
something about her being both Swedish and Finnish, Swedish
speaking Finnish author. Yes and she just wrote the most
incredible book series that I think a lot of people are

(41:40):
starting to appreciate more these days or like a lot of
Americans that are starting to discover it.
A lot of Europeans are are pretty familiar with the the
Mumin series. And so yeah, I just I love that
she chose a name that honors this amazing creative woman.
I think that, yeah, she can probably get away with it more

(42:03):
than the average person because I think a lot of people would
stay away from a name like Tuva because of the pronunciation I.
Clearly, Yeah. I met one baby named Tuva once,
but it was this is a rare name. You're like, it will not become

(42:25):
more popular now that Lily Collins use it for her daughter.
I know and it always sucks. I always feel so bad when people
are like, oh, it's like, oh it'sthis every single time they like
are being introduced or something.
Yeah, I mean, you just have to go in with your eyes wide open.
I mean, obviously people named Willie and Charlie are never

(42:46):
going to have any issue with people to pronounce it.
And so, yeah, they just, that's a choice they're making.
And you don't know how your child will feel, but you do your
best. And it's a cool name.
So this is. Cool.
One of my favorites of this yearfor sure.
Yeah, I really like it. I know.
Like, the only time I've ever really heard that name Tova was

(43:07):
from like, Gian Marco Sorenzi orwhatever is like the comedian's
girlfriend. That's literally like, like,
yeah. So it does feel like a rare a
rare name, but very cool I think.
Yeah, super cool. I mean, these Scandinavian names
just have a cool factor in general.

(43:28):
So yeah, I don't know. And I feel like it really fits
what I know about Lily Collins. Yeah, totally.
Me too. This is another one of my
favorite names. Tia Booth, another Bachelor
contestant, and Taylor Mock had Miller, Jean Mock and I love the
name Miller. It also was like when cuz my I

(43:51):
have a family friend that named their kid Miller.
When I first heard it all I could think about was like
Miller Lite. Like I just could not get that
out of my head. But now I'm like, it's like once
you know one or once you become familiar with the kid or
whatever, you'd never think of that again.
And I really, really like it. Yeah, Miller Gene.
I mean, that just it's cute. It feels because Tia, she's

(44:14):
Southern, right? She's southern and her her their
first kid was Tatum Mock with nomiddle name.
But I think that also makes a lot of sense, like Tatum and
Miller. Oh, for sure.
Yeah. I mean, I actually would have if
if I if you were to tell me there are two siblings, their
names are Miller and Tatum. One's a girl, one's a boy.

(44:35):
I would have thought the opposite, that Tatum was a girl,
Miller was a boy. But I like their commitment to
using just gender neutral names for their kids.
Miller, I see a lot of parents considering it for daughters
because they can use the nickname Millie.
I wonder if they're they're doing that.
Yeah. I mean, it's it's sweet.
Totally not my style, but it's one that I do appreciate.

(44:59):
And I I do understand why peopleare are really into names like
that. 100% yeah it I I felt likeTia doesn't read super trendy or
cool to me, but this seems trendy and cool so.
It's very trendy. Cool.
Yeah, yeah. So Congrats to them.

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This is probably this is where we get into crazy celebrity
territory. Truly.
Sia and her ex-husband Dan Bernard welcomed somersault
Wonder Bernard. Yeah, this is, I mean, OK with
this one because the name was revealed through legal documents

(45:45):
or something, I believe. Like, was it like she tried to
swine out of this? And so that to me, I'm like, OK,
she wasn't doing this just for the clout, which I appreciate.
Me too. Somersault.
It's so wacky to me. Yeah, like Somersault wonder.
It's, I mean, incredibly whimsical.

(46:09):
I guess you could call her Summer, but I don't like the
name. Summer feels really dated to me.
So I'm like, why would you do that?
I don't know. Somersault.
It's it's just a little wild. It is wild.
And again, this is like that again, that level of celebrity
that you just become a little bit out of touch with the

(46:29):
reality of of what this kid, this kid is like life is going
to be. And I also, yeah, it just seems
like it reminds me of Ed Sheeran's kids Like it.
It just, I'm OK if it like it sounds, sounds good together or
whatever, but it is to me givingsomersault wonder bread.

(46:54):
Especially when you look at it right now.
I want to be like Wonder Bread. Yes, yeah.
And that's like, it's so bad. And yeah, it's like you could
call them Summer, but then it's like SOMER is like people are
going to. Yeah, yeah.
But she you're right, she is really private about her, like

(47:14):
family life because she adopted 2 teens a few years ago and we
only know one of their names, Che, and we don't know the other
person's name. So you're right.
I do think that this is just truly what she wanted to name
the her child and and that I can't say anything bad about.
Yeah, you know, this is, this isher, her truth, her, you know,

(47:36):
her true desire here to name herdaughter Somersault.
OK, great. Like I will, I will support her
in that. It's definitely not a name that
I would encourage most parents to use.
Me too. I'd be like, let's think about
that for like 2 seconds. Olivia Culpo, who's a model

(47:58):
slash actress, and Christian McCaffrey, who's an NFL, uh, had
Colette Annalise McCaffrey, their first kid, which you
mentioned as like a possible name for Sophie Turner's, I
think second, yeah, second child.
So I was really like spot on about the French thing.

(48:18):
So yeah, I, I feel proud of myself for that.
Colette though, definitely this name, especially since episode
one that we did together. Trendy.
This is a name that is taking off.
I mean, all of these French girlnames that start with C,

(48:38):
Colette, Celeste, Celine, these are all just they've popped.
Makes so much sense to me though.
Oh, yeah. I mean, they're, they're really
pretty names. I'm just, I'm starting to get a
little tired of them because I'mseeing one time and like, I
love, I mean, of those three, Celeste is my favorite.
And I'm like, gosh, like I, you know, that name was on my list

(48:59):
for a really long time. And now I'm like, if I see
another girl whose name Colette or Colette, these are also
really popular as middle names right now because they're
iambic. The emphasis is on the second
syllable. So they're just really good
connectors. So we've seen a lot of people
choose these for first names andmiddle names.
And I'm like, I have, you know, reached my limit with names like

(49:24):
Colette, but, you know, a name like Colette and Lease
McCaffrey, Like, yeah, it's really pretty.
Really. Cute, good initials.
Yeah, I remember you mentioned this.
So this would have been, you know, a handful of years ago
Colette and I was like, oh, thatis like I feel like that it was
like at its almost climax of like like I thought it had

(49:46):
reached its like trend, Max trend at that point.
And it's like, no, it seems now such a common name, which is
crazy to say, to be honest, like.
I would have thought that Colette would be popular in this
game. I mean, and I see, I think
Colette in particular appeals because people like the nickname

(50:07):
ability. You have Coco, you have Letty.
So I've seen I've seen some babies named Colette with, you
know, those nicknames and stuff like that too.
So yeah, I get it. It's just like it.
It feels like it's everywhere right now.
Yeah, which it seems so weird tosay.
That brings me to another question about Belly Conklin

(50:31):
from The summer I Turned Pretty,which is Isabel, If people don't
watch that show, has that conversation.
I'm sure you've had that conversation at Name Barry about
Belly as the nickname for Isabel.
Like is that common? So this is it's more of a
Hispanic nickname that for Isabella, it would kind of go

(50:53):
Isabella Isabelli belly. So I it totally doesn't faze me
at all. But I realize, yeah, when people
have brought this up to me, I'm like, oh, yeah, Like that.
That doesn't sound, you know, that that sounds way more word
like to people's ears. But even in the charts, yeah,
Isabelli has popped up here and there, I think to get the

(51:17):
nickname Belly. Yeah, it's, it's funny.
I don't think Isabella and Isabella, like these names are
past their peak at this point. So I don't think I think the the
boy names from the show are going to be much more
influential than Belly. Yeah.
It's just, it's it's funny. Yeah.

(51:38):
It's not something I think aboutuntil people are like people.
Her name's Belly. And I'm like, Oh yes.
Well, I read the books when theycame out like 10 years ago, so I
had already been used to it. So by the time the show came
out, I like again, didn't blink.And then everyone had discourse
about belly as a, as a name, as a nickname, and it yeah, it just

(52:01):
felt so. So I.
Feel like it was more palatable to people if it was spelled
BELLI rather than BELY like if you just differentiate spelling
wise from like. The anatomy.
Then I feel like more people could get on board.
So yeah. I suggest.
They I love, they call her like Jelly Bean and like belly bean,

(52:23):
I don't know, Jelly Belly and like stuff like I'm like it's
cute. I think it's cute.
Very natural, yeah. So if any listeners out there
like the idea of the nickname Belly but don't like the
wordiness of it, spell it with an I.
Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense to me right
after we recorded, because last time we talked about how the

(52:43):
podcast collected had made guesses and Shannon from
fluently forward was right. She guessed Jack.
So Justin Bieber and Hailey Bieber had and they they need no
introduction. They had Jack Blues Bieber.
So yeah, the the plural middle name, which are like and Jack
like. I don't know I this just makes

(53:06):
so much sense to me. It does.
I was just like, it's boring. I mean, nothing like Jack is a
really nice name. I have nothing against the name
Jack, but with these celebrities, especially
celebrities of their caliber, it's like you're rooting for
them to choose something crazy. So it was like, go for it, do

(53:27):
something wild. And they didn't.
So I was like, oh, Jack, you know, people, people were asking
me like, is this going to make the name Jack really popular?
I'm like, no, it's Jack's already really popular.
Like, it's not going to do anything to Jack.
What it's going to do is people are going to start to use Blues
more and people are going to just use these plural names for.
But yeah, I think in retrospect,it makes a lot of sense.

(53:49):
I'm not. It's not surprising amazing at
all, but it was just so normal that I was like, give us
something, right? I wonder if Hailey Bieber she
tried to trademark Bieber Beauty.
I wonder if she is upset that she used Rhode as her brand and

(54:11):
then she couldn't use it becauseI think Rhode or like Rhodes.
Bieber I think is like so cute. And buried their style.
I mean, clearly they do like these plural names.
I I imagine they probably talkedabout that like could be roads
somewhere in the name or is it too close to the, to the brand?
So, yeah, I mean, that's I, I tell people that I'm like, you

(54:32):
think you're using this kind of clunky cool name for your dog or
for, you know, you use this likecool sound for your business or
something. And then all of a sudden that
becomes, you know, you can't usethat for for your baby anymore.
Warm up to these to these names that sound maybe not quite ready
to be a baby name. And I see a lot of people regret

(54:55):
that. So if that happened here.
Yeah, that makes that makes a lot of sense to me.
We have Megan Fox and MGK, actorand singer.
They're no longer together, but they had Saga, Blade, Fox,
Baker. So a lot of words, right?
A lot of words that don't make sense to me per SE because they

(55:20):
are they are like to me, they they don't make sense together.
Saga is a legitimate Scandinavian name.
OK. And let me see.
Which which country? So yeah, it's it's like a top
thirty name in Sweden. Very normal there considered a

(55:41):
name rather than a word. But to us here in North America,
we consider it to be such a word.
You know, we are like saga meansstory, which I mean, people are
using story as a as a baby as well.
But I think it just, I don't know if they chose it knowing
like, OK, this is a Scandinavianname or if they're like, oh, we

(56:03):
like this word. I'm imagining it's the latter
because her other kids journey has kind of a similar
connotation. Yeah.
I mean, I think when you have ifyou're giving your child a
double barrelled last name and both of your last names are also
English words like Fox Baker andthen you do 2 word names.

(56:25):
I'm like it starts to sound likea sentence and less like a name,
which some people like that. I mean, Saga Blade undeniably
badass. Yeah.
Yeah, I, I think this will maybeturn some parents on to Saga.
Like they'll, they'll probably be like, oh, that's cool.
Maybe an alternative to something like Story.

(56:46):
But yeah, I, I wish maybe there was something a little more
namey in there just to break it up a little bit.
Like a, you know, really wordy middle name.
Yeah, I I couldn't agree more just because I don't know when
when you do see these more wordynames happen.
I do feel like like Journey River and stuff like that, like

(57:09):
it connects in some some way maybe.
But this doesn't seem to me to like connect to anything and.
Bleed just feels violent to me. Well, Machine Gun Kelly, like,
like, yeah, whose real name is Colby, which is a a name I like.

(57:33):
Yeah, I love that name. Like it doesn't.
Fit it doesn't fit it doesn't Yeah, and he would never pass
that on and like whatever, but it yeah, I just only see him as
MGK. But yeah.
Megan Fox with Brian Austin Green had Noah Shannon, Bodie
Ransom and Journey River and then just wait.

(57:54):
Is his name Colby or Coulson now?
I'm Coulson. It's not Colby.
It's Colson. Still doesn't fit Colby's.
I guess a little gentler than Coulson.
Because he has Casey Coulson Baker from a previous
relationship. So yeah, Coulson saga Casey

(58:14):
Megan is the family. I don't know, I guess they're
not like technically like a family unit at this, this stage,
but yeah, I don't know. I, I do kind of like when like
in organization theory or whatever, like I like when they
talk about like when you group things together, it can be like
siblings or cousins or that typeof thing.
And I, I do, I kind of like whenthey're, this is a personal

(58:38):
preference, but like the family or like the siblings or whatever
have some type of maybe unifyingtheme, even if it's just like a
name that's passed down or something.
Yeah, I mean, in in our kind of lingo, we call that a sib set.
And certainly I mean it becomes harder when you have children

(58:59):
who have different like sets of parents within the sib set, like
these children. But even like Noah Shannon is
such a different name than Journey River that it's yeah,
this is clearly never been something that like was a high
priority for for Box. And I always say, you know, I

(59:22):
think I'm a coordinated. Sibza is absolutely wonderful in
theory and practice. I think it matters less because,
you know, the kids grow up and they're.
Yeah, they're never. Together, but I do it is it is
something that like I always appreciate and you definitely
get extra points if it's coordinated but not matchy

(59:44):
matchy totally like you know, the Mahomes I think are maybe on
the wrong side of. Totally.
Totally. I think at one point we've
talked about how my dad's family, they all have B names,
which. I like.
That's a little much, right? That is committing to the bit
that like you don't need to commit to.

(01:00:04):
Yeah. So it's like that that sometimes
goes a little too far. But like in terms of style, I
think it's nice when. Yeah, that or at least
complimentary. And this just, yeah, seems so
kind of random, but I guess alsolike the kids are pretty far
apart. Like Casey I think is almost
like in her late teens. And then the boys are, I think,

(01:00:28):
like early teens. And then now Saga was just born.
So I think also if you're at different stages in your life
when you're having kids with different partners.
Yeah, people, you know, they tend to, you know, become maybe
braver namers or more conservative.
And yeah, I mean, I think Saga works fine with the name like

(01:00:52):
Journey or Bodie Ransom is couldnot be further apart from a name
like Noah. But you know, ultimately it's
not really going to matter. So the next couple we have is
Rupert Grint from the actor fromHarry Potter, the aforementioned
Harry Potter, and then his partner Georgia Groom.

(01:01:15):
They had Goldie G Grint and theyhave Wednesday G Grint as the
sibling Goldie. There's my my fave.
Name Goldie. So cute.
I will say I was so pleasantly surprised when they named their
first daughter Wednesday that I was like, OK, that if and I

(01:01:38):
think they didn't like announce that they were pregnant or
anything, they were just like, there's a baby and her name is
Goldie. I was hoping that if they had
another child that it would be as rare as Wednesday.
And Goldie just feels a lot morefamiliar.
That being said, I don't think they're a poor match.
Like I think Wednesday and Goldie actually work nicely

(01:01:59):
together. I just wish it was something
like a little more surprising. But it's adorable.
And I do also really like Wednesday.
So I, yeah, overall very happy with it.
But that's just my my my outsider critique here.
I I totally agree with that. Do you think the G is for

(01:02:20):
Georgia Groom or I? Think yeah, they're probably
they're like middle name is Groom Wednesday, Groom Grant,
Goldie Groom Grant. That's a that's a lot of GS.
But yeah, that's also kind of fun.
I don't, I don't mention. Yeah, I like it.
I don't know, I I might get it roasted in the comments again,
but for some reason that it justworks for me.
It just really does work. I I I agree.

(01:02:43):
So we already talked about Kristen Doty with Kyle Lilly and
then Steve Aoki and his wife. The DJ Sasha had Rocky Aoki
which they were calling Rocky 77.
No, I saw that. I was so confused.
I was like his name, Rocky 77. Yeah, I, I looked it up.

(01:03:06):
I double checked because I was like, I'm so confused, but I
think that's just like a nickname or something like that.
I. Yeah.
I feel like that's one of the nicknames you give a kid like
Nori for Northwest that just doesn't stick and that's OK.
Yeah, totally fine. That happens.
Yeah, Rocky is cute. I mean, I don't like, love

(01:03:26):
Rocky, just personally it's not my favorite name, but I, Yeah,
it's totally fine. I think it makes sense for them
as a couple. So I was like, I, I was more
just like, what is going on withthe Rocky 77 thing?
Yeah. That was so strange to me and
Rocky is corrected if I'm wrong,but Courtney and Travis is.

(01:03:49):
They have to be 13. And so it's like Rocky plus
numbers. It I was, yeah, that it
definitely reminded me of Courtney and Travis's son.
Yeah, yeah, so random, but yeah,Steve and Sasha, Rocky cute.

(01:04:11):
I think it's cute. It's yeah, not, not something I
would choose for myself, but I don't think it's offensive in
any in any way not. At all.
This is just. Yeah, it's normal.
I would not be surprised. I mean feels like maybe it's
slightly more celebrity like to pick Rocky, but if I met a child
named Rocky out in the world I would not be.

(01:04:33):
Yeah, you mentioned that Cardi Bhad Blossom with Offset, who
she's no longer together with, and before they had culture and
wave. Yeah, right.
And so Blossom feels so much more normal compared to those
two because I'm at least I thinkmost people are somewhat
familiar with Blossom as a name.Feels very British to me.

(01:04:56):
Blossom, I think it's used more in the in the UK, yeah.
But they're all, they're all word names.
So that ties them all together. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah.
That makes sense to me. That makes a lot of sense.
And then to wrap it up over there, celebrity baby names
Trisha Paytas and Moses Hackman.This was actually what triggered

(01:05:17):
me to contact you was they just had Aquaman, Moses Hackman.
And obviously everyone knows that they have Malibu, Barbie
and Elvis as their other kids. OK, I will say this in the, you
know, few weeks that we've had to get used to Aquaman, it's
just I'm just becoming more usedto it.

(01:05:40):
Like I OK, it's Aquaman. Like, all right, sure.
You know, whatever I am like Aquamarine is a better name and
I wish that they because I know that they had been like, oh,
we're only going to have two kids, so we'll name the next one
Elvis regardless. And then, you know, surprise

(01:06:01):
third pregnancy. Like if they had just held off
on Elvis and went aquamarine, because I do think Malibu
Barbie, aquamarine and then Elvis as a boy name would have
been a better sib set than Malibu Barbie Elvis on a girl
like Malibu Barbie. I think like there is nothing
more feminine and I get that they call her Malibu most, most

(01:06:22):
of the time. And so that's, you know, not
inherently gendered, but Malibu Barbie, what it represents is
hyper femininity Elvis, which is, you know, a male name that
is in honor of a man, but on a girl, which I think like, you
know, there's no reason why Elvis couldn't work on a girl.

(01:06:45):
It's just like it's a little bit.
It could have been more coordinated, but I get the you
don't predict these things. And so this this stuff happens.
Yeah. I mean, Aquaman is definitely my
least favorite. Yeah, mine too.
I'm like Elvis doesn't have a middle name, but Aquaman does.
And like Malibu Barbie obviouslydoes.

(01:07:07):
So it's just it's a little all over the place.
And Aquaman, definitely like they chose it so that it would
get a lot of attention. It is just so funny to me that
Malibu Barbie now seems so normal compared to Aquaman.
Yeah, I mean, and Elvis, it's like you, I don't even think
about Elvis because that's actually the name, right?

(01:07:30):
Malibu Barbie. Yeah, I'm like, OK, Malibu.
Like people, a handful of peoplename their children Malibu each
year. I'm not sure.
I mean, I shouldn't say like there are probably some parents
out there that have used the name Aquaman before, but this is
not a name that, you know, many people have used ever.

(01:07:52):
Totally, totally. And I was like, OK, well, Aqua
as as like maybe what he will goby is super cute.
And then she was saying that thenurses put Aqua on like, I don't
know, maybe it's bassinet or whatever.
And she was like, oh, you like, that's not his name, it's
Aquaman. So they are like leaning into

(01:08:13):
it. I also just think like, it is
wild to name your kid like the year of the Barbie movie
basically. And then like the year of Aqua,
like, not that that's necessarily the case, but like.
It's, yeah, it's very much tied to current pop culture, which
becomes less relevant as the years go on.

(01:08:36):
I mean, or, you know, maybe that's part of the appeal that,
OK, their names really identify with their birth year in some
ways. Yeah, that's true.
That is true. I I do kind of like that in that
sense. But yeah, that is so.
It is so, but it just makes sense for them.
And again, Tricia Paytas, she has the craziest lore.

(01:08:59):
She has done everything under the sun in terms of her career
and her interests and the content that she makes and stuff
like that. So in that sense it makes a lot
of sense like. Well, I truly think she is the
only person who could get away with naming her son Aquaman.
You know, if anyone's going to do it, it should be Tricia

(01:09:19):
Paytas. So OK, good for her.
Mazel to Moses. OK, let's wrap up with some
predictions. So last year we predicted you
predicted like Lively and Ryan Reynolds kids because we were
talking about how tortured poetshad just came out.

(01:09:39):
Their children Betty and Nez andJames have been mentioned all in
Taylor Swift lyrics. So we were trying to guess if
that was going to be the same case.
It was revealed to be Olin. So not mentioned so far in
Taylor Swift discography, but you had guessed Ernie, Chester,
Maude, Petra, Odette, which I think is so like.

(01:10:03):
Very much in that time period. I will say Olin just is.
It's a rare name. I mean it never was particularly
common. It's just not a name that I
would have guessed for anyone. I think it just it feels really
antique, but in an attractive way where I think parents who

(01:10:27):
kind of like these quirky vintage boy names that start
with O like Otto or Otis, but feel like, oh, OK, we know a
couple of those. They might like Olin.
So yeah, I I think I got the thetime period right, the the kind
of vibe of it, but I never was going to guess Olin.

(01:10:48):
That's funny. Yeah.
It's cute. I like all of their names.
And I don't know, maybe we'll get an Olin ref in the life of a
showgirl. And then Ashley Tisdale.
We also predicted Amethyst, Vesper Canyon, Cypress Zeppelin.
And it is Emerson Clover French.That's her partner's last name

(01:11:11):
because her sibling is Jupiter Iris French.
The only thing that gets me about this one is the popularity
discrepancy is that the Jupiter is such a rare name and Emerson
is beyond common. That was where I was really off

(01:11:33):
here was that I predicted all really uncommon names because I
assumed, OK, if you're going to name your daughter Jupiter, like
you probably are going to value a really rare name.
So that was the biggest shock for me here, I think in terms
of, you know, unisex style namesthat have nature connection.

(01:11:54):
Yeah, right on. But I I was shocked.
Emerson was like, I was, I was disappointed.
I was like, no, like you were soahead of the curve with Jupiter
and then you choose Emerson. But I mean, it's a nice name,
Emerson Pullover, you know. Nothing wrong with that.
Totally I know it for some reason works again.
I soft in my old age all of these names like I'm I'm like

(01:12:17):
I'm cool with that. And maybe it's the thing that
you were saying before where it's like Emerson in your world
isn't common, but like, yeah, I totally feel that too.
But yeah, if you're not looking up data like we are and if if
you don't know anybody IRS that's named Emerson, maybe it
just seems as unique as Jupiter.But yeah, that that doesn't

(01:12:41):
click for me. Yeah, I think despite the
popularity differences, Jupiter and Emerson work well together.
So. Yeah, yeah.
They, they are they're, they're cohesive.
They're. Nice.
OK. And then our new predictions for
this year. I'm so excited.
Have you? Have you officially made any

(01:13:03):
predictions on your TikTok for any of these couples?
You know, I haven't been doing that as much lately because a
lot of the tick tokers now started doing.
That I know, I know. So it's harder to stand out,
even though I will say that I created that type of video.
I was the 1st. And the most accurate, I would

(01:13:25):
say, yeah. Exactly.
I mean, no one else was one letter off on Beyoncé.
He's. Child and then also didn't you
guess John Legend and Chrissy Teigens?
Oh yeah, I've gotten some of theirs, like I got on some weird
ones. Emma Roberts, I think used roads
because I suggested it. So yeah, I I definitely have a
lot, have a lot of influence in that space.

(01:13:48):
But no, I mean you, you get the exclusive so.
So our first couple is Jennifer Lawrence and Cook Maroney.
They already have PSI and their baby was born in April of this
year, but we don't have the namereveal.
I know. I mean, they named Sigh after

(01:14:09):
Sigh Twombley the artist becauseCook Maroney's a gallerist.
And so I was like, all right, are they are they going to
choose an artist name again or something inspired by an artist?
So I kind of, I went two directions here.
I went with some creative names with clear creative inspiration

(01:14:30):
and then also names that are really short and sleek like Cy.
So if they go the artist route, I think if they did a girl, if
they had a girl, because we don't know the sex of this baby,
they would maybe go if they weregoing traditional Helen, like
Helen Frankenthaler, who, you know, similar time period to Cy

(01:14:50):
Twombley, that that would make sense if they're like
gravitating towards that style of art or like thinking about
favorite artists. I also could see Thea, which
would be like a shortened form of Dorothea, like Dorothea Lange
or Dorothea tanning. So I I thought that, you know,
signed Thea. That'd be that'd be super cute

(01:15:13):
for boys. I could see them using a name
like Calder, like Alexander Calder Hart, like Thomas Hart
Benton Laszlo maybe, or wit likeSaul, the wit.
So those, yeah, I, I think any of those would fit as a good

(01:15:33):
like brother name for Psy. And then if they're just going
for short names that are pretty sleek, maybe kind of vintage
inspired for girls, I thought maybe Della dot, which, you
know, it feels kind of like an art connected name, like a polka
dot or rose, just, you know, traditional classic.
And for boys, maybe something like Bram, Hal, Ike or Pen.

(01:15:56):
Just really kind of tailored, crisp names.
That is so interesting Ike Pen, Hal, Bram and side that like
that does make sense to me that.'D be perfect.
Right, and it would be like, I just feel like it's it is again
like trendy. But then I could also see some
of these the art inspired because it seems like, yeah,

(01:16:19):
that is so personal to to at least cook.
So and Cook is also an interesting name.
Totally. I mean, it's a single syllable
name. So I think he probably, you
know, PSI is also just one syllable.
I mean 2 letters though is really rare.
So you have to really like shortnames.

(01:16:39):
And yeah, there's, I mean, cook it like it packs a punch.
It's it is a, it is a crisp name.
But I think especially with the E at the end, it feels, you
know, it feels very surname likeit has that kind of preppy
factor. So yeah, I'm, I'm very curious.
I hope they reveal the name of this baby because they have such

(01:17:02):
good taste so. They do, they do.
I feel like Jennifer Lawrence with her, like very chic, kind
of like not, I don't want to sayglow up, but just like shift
into like a very chic dresser and stuff.
Like I I just love this, love this for their lives.
Oh yeah. So then we had Penn Badgley,
who's an actor with his partner Domino Kirk, who's a singer.

(01:17:26):
They're expecting twin boys. So they this is so interesting.
They have a child who we don't know their name.
Everyone assumed it was James James, but that was
misinformation, which is so interesting.
That came out recently that thatwas misinformation and I felt so

(01:17:50):
validated because Domino, first of all, like cool.
Domino, yeah. And her older son from a
previous relationship is Cassius.
And so I'm like you, your name is Domino.
Your your partner's name is Pen.You already have a son named
Cassius. And then you're gonna choose

(01:18:11):
James like that? That did not line up at all for
me. And so I was like, OK, thank
goodness there's no, like, not James.
It it doesn't fit. So I've no idea what they're
older. I think it's Dasan.
I think they have it's he's a boy, but I'm basing this off of

(01:18:36):
Cassius. The way that we would describe
this style at Nameberry is rustic aristocrat.
So these names that are like, they're very sophisticated.
They feel like, you know, like these these could totally be
like a historical romance novel character, right?

(01:18:57):
And they just they, they have some gravity to them and
they're, they're serious, but they, they have this like noble
piece to them too. So I can put like a lot of twin
combos just, you know, for some extra fun.
So my first one, Ambrose and Edmund I think.

(01:19:18):
Love that. It's Ambrose, Edmund and you
know, secret other child. What about Boaz and Zephyr?
Which I like this because Boaz ends with AZ and Zephyr starts
with AZ. So I'm like you just you have
that, you have that tie in therebecause.
That's cute. Similarly, Evander and Vigo

(01:19:42):
right that prominent V in there Leopold and Lucian if you want
to do 2 with the same letter. I don't always love that, but I
feel like in this case Leopold Lucian, they're different enough
where they feel like separate names even though they have the
same letter. And then maybe Lysander and

(01:20:04):
Orion I think could be really cool.
I, I, they're probably not goingto reveal this, these babies
names because, you know, we don't even know about their,
their older child, but. Those are my, that's my hope
that they choose something like that.
Yeah, they I think they are alsoreally private about their
personal life, but I love these.I like the, again, you're right,

(01:20:28):
like as they grow up, it doesn'treally matter, but I do.
It is especially when they're young and they're always
together. I like those little YEAH
similarities. Well, you want like, you
especially twins, you say their names together a lot in those
early years. And so I understand.
Like, if I were having twins, I would want their names to be,

(01:20:49):
you know, to feel like they belonged together.
Totally, totally. And they always do in some
sense. OK, I love that.
And then Karlie Kloss, the modeland coder, and Josh Kushner, the
businessman, are expecting. They announced it at the Met Gal
this year. And they already have kids,

(01:21:10):
Elijah Jude and Levi Joseph. Yeah, I mean, so they just go
for normal Jewish names and they're having a girl, which is
exciting. And so I mean, I think like the
the normal Jewish names that people are using right now, Maya

(01:21:32):
for girls, Naomi, a classic. I can see them using either of
those. Talia is on the rise, very
pretty. Elijah, Levi and Talia.
I liked that. Noah the feminine version is
that's kind of rising across theboard, even among non Jewish
parents. But if they want something a

(01:21:55):
little more modern, I could see them going with that.
And then my kind of wild card for them that I love this name
and want more people to use it is Alma.
It's just really pretty. It is a it's a good cross
cultural name because it means soul in Italian and Spanish, but
it's also, you know, relatively well used among Jewish families.

(01:22:22):
So yeah, those those would be mypicks for them.
I feel like of all of the predictions, like I would hope I
get this one right. But we'll see, I think.
Those are good ones, Alma. I like yeah, it is Seoul.
And do you think they'll do AJ middle name like they're?
I mean, yeah, if they're, if they're following like Jewish

(01:22:43):
tradition and if they're naming after, you know, someone who's
deceased and they're, I mean, families do it different ways.
Like you see some families wherethey pick one letter and have
that represented in all the children's names, or sometimes
they honor different, you know, loved ones with and use

(01:23:04):
different initials. So I mean, that's that's kind of
the variable here too. Like, were they honoring
relatives whose names start withE or L and now they're going to
choose something different and like have to choose based on the
initial? I don't know.
But yeah. I mean, if they were gonna
choose AJ middle name, somethinglike Julia would just be like

(01:23:25):
very normal, you know, well usedamong Jewish families.
There aren't a lot of or like Judith would be would be 1.
I could see them doing that. Yeah, like.
I know them like I'm. Yeah, but they already have,
they already have Jude, so I don't know if they do.

(01:23:45):
Judith. Yeah, I don't know.
I am I'm curious to see. But it'll be just it'll just be
normal, which is, you know, definitely.
I can understand why for for their family they just like they
want names that fly under the radar.
Totally. Yeah, that makes sense to me.
Yeah. And that couldn't yeah be I it

(01:24:05):
does seem like very just normal couldn't be picked apart or
anything names but very cute yeah.
I'm curious to see two boys maybe they'll maybe a girl's
next. And then our last celebrity is
Sammy Sweetheart from Jersey Shore and then her partner

(01:24:28):
Justin May. They're expecting their first
child this month. I don't believe that they've had
it yet. Any predictions for Sammy,
Sweetheart? Gosh, yes.
I mean, of course, I had to lookat what all of the Jersey Shore
cast members have named their babies.
And I would say like All in all normal normal names.

(01:24:51):
Yes, yes. Enzo Giovanna, Ariana Mia
Cameron, Right. I mean there's a lot of Italian
flavor in here as you would expect.
I mean, I think the the one thatwas the most surprising and the
most influential was Jay Wow's daughter Meilani.
She really jumped on this like Hawaiian style name trend, but

(01:25:16):
kind of invented Meilani and howit, you know, people, people
really use that name. So that yeah, most, most
influential for sure. But based on her Jersey Shore
cast members, I think that Sammywill probably choose something
that's pretty normal. So nothing crazy.

(01:25:38):
Definitely not definitely probably Italian, but I know she
also has Greek heritage and so I'm like maybe she'll do
something that that has some Greek roots.
I would, I would like that. So I think if she goes Italian
girl name something kind of normal.

(01:25:59):
Sienna is really, I feel like ifI had to put my money on one
name for a girl, it'd be Sienna.I could also see Liliana.
Oh. Nice.
A rarer one that I would love isMarcella or you know, Marcella,
I guess would probably be that'sthe that's the more Italian
pronunciation. But I just such a beautiful

(01:26:21):
name. I love it.
It says I would think that'd be great for boys.
I mean, I am shocked that no onein the Jersey Shore universe has
named their son Miko yet. And this is or am I wrong?
No, no, I'm just. No, I agree.
That is Nico I feel like is a dime a dozen name, so that is.

(01:26:42):
Yeah, it's so. Cute and like name is Sammy,
sweetheart. Like she's gonna choose a name.
I think like for a girl, something feminine feels kind of
cutesy. And for a boy, these names that
end in Oh have that they they have a they have a cute factor
as well. So Nico's also the perfect like
Greek Italian crossover because Nicholas is Greek ultimately,

(01:27:06):
but Nico's the Italian derivative.
So I'm like use Nico. It's like made for her, right?
They're kind of like trendy one would be Elio and that feels
like a kind of soft, gentle boy name.
I could see her using that. Santino feels really cool and
cute right now. Maybe Rocco but that I'm less

(01:27:28):
convinced about that. If you want something that's
like a little more Greek I wouldsay Sebastian for a boy feels
very cross cultural. Feels like it fits in with all
these Jersey Shore kid names. And for girls something like
Chloe or Eliana. Adalia would be really pretty
and then my kind of out there one for her would be a Lenny,

(01:27:49):
which I just think is so cute, so pretty and needs to be
embraced more for sure. OK, Eliana is almost guaranteed
to be. Like your kid's name, like, so
popular, which is that? Am I going to put Eliana on this
list? But yeah, I mean, if you think

(01:28:10):
about like the other girls, Giovanna Meilani, Amabela,
Ariana Mia Luna Ileana is just like the next name, you know,
that you would think of to to beon that list.
So and it's good. It's a good, you know, if a lot
of Italian American parents use it, it has a lot of a lot of

(01:28:31):
that kind of cross cultural appeal as well.
So I could totally see her doingthat.
Totally, totally. I could totally see her like
Sienna May if they take Justin'slast name is like that is such a
that's a good name, I think. But Ellie and I wrote like I.
Feel like the one? Yeah, that just seems like such
their flavor or for a guy Nico, like I just that just seems like

(01:28:54):
them to a tee. I want to call her up and be
like, you actually have. You actually have.
Like. You don't have a choice, it fits
too well, so just go for it totally.
Totally. Yeah, it that just makes so much
sense to me. Do you think she could do?
I don't think she'll do this, but her last, her real last name

(01:29:16):
is not sweetheart, if you can believe it, it's Giancola.
Do you think she could do like aGia Gio?
She definitely could. I mean, Snooki's daughter is
Giovanna, so I'm staying away from that.
But like, maybe Gianni for a boythat's like.

(01:29:41):
Snooki's husband's. Name.
Oh, right, OK yeah. And it's maybe not.
I was going to say it's just like so old school Italian
American that like she probably knows a bunch of people what
that means. So.
And clearly she does. So yeah, I, I'm not sure.
I mean, maybe if Snooki hadn't used Jovana, she would be open

(01:30:03):
to doing something like that. But I mean, Gio Gio would be
really cute. It would be cute, I think, but
yeah, I have for some reason. I feel like she has like more
normal taste like well, she. She lived like like extremely
normal, like post Jersey Shore up until she rejoined family

(01:30:23):
vacation like last year or whatever.
So like I think out of all of them, she is the most like down
to earth. But they always said that.
Like I always thought that on the original Jersey Shore too.
Like I feel like she's like really down to earth and lived
really normally these past like,yeah, almost 20 years.

(01:30:44):
So I could totally. I I also really see Sienna or
yeah, that Eliana. That just makes so much sense.
Like as a kind of subculture, like Italian Americans are more
likely to choose from a specificset of names.
Like these other kind of like cultural, like, you know, like
we're talking about with Harley Klaus and Josh Kushner, Like,

(01:31:05):
they're going to choose a Jewishname, right?
It's like Jersey Shore, you know, cast members are going to
choose Italian. Even if they're not technically
Italian. But it's not really.
It's gonna come from Romance language for sure.
Yeah. So yeah, I really, I leaned into

(01:31:25):
that for sure. But hopefully I could get this
one right. I feel like I'll this one I have
a good feeling about. It's on this list for sure.
I think so too. Santino is, I think so cute, but
I just. I know.
It's too cute. It's too good.
Yeah. Okay, this is so much fun.

(01:31:47):
We'll have to check in next year.
We should just that, like a recurring, recurring on.
Yeah, truly. Truly, I really I appreciate all
your time and your expertise. Can you let the listener know
where they can find you and anything else you want to plug?
Yeah, well, you can always find me at nameberry.com.

(01:32:10):
I'm also very visible on our social media platforms.
So we're Tiktok at nameberry.com.
Everywhere else we're just at Nameberry, you know, Instagram,
things like that. Personally, my Instagram is at
Sophie Keem, that's SOPHIEKIHM and my personal website is

(01:32:34):
Sophie keem.com and, and yeah, Imean from Nameberry.
We're going to be releasing our 2026 trends pretty soon, so this
is always my favorite time of the year.
So yeah, keep an eye out for that and subscribe to our sub
stock as well because we're doing more over there.
Oh. Love OK, I'm going to have to do

(01:32:55):
that. I I just for some reason, this
is like a weird hyper fixation from like baby names is just
like don't have a baby. You have no stakes in like in
any of that, but it's. It's something that would relate
to because everyone has a name. Totally.
And I think I'm a big reader andI think that like, that is so

(01:33:16):
important. I feel like in character, like
stuff. So maybe that's it.
But yeah, it's so fun, so fun tohear all these trends and stuff.
Well, it's always so great to talk to you, Tori, and thanks
for letting me back. Thanks for coming on.
We'll, we'll see you next year. Yeah, I'm gonna count on it.
Thank you. And there you have it.

(01:33:38):
Thank you so much for listening and thank you to Sophie Keem for
joining me on today's episode. You guys, Taylor Swift is
engaged, which was like Loki fucking crazy.
And the ring is crazy and her posting it on socials was crazy.
I'm going to do like maybe like a little bonus episode this
weekend because I want to get all my thoughts out.

(01:33:59):
I am also going to be on what I will say I think on Friday,
August 29th, whenever you're listening to this, so you can go
check that out. We're going to be talking about
Tavis. But I got to get my thoughts all
out for the Petty Bettys. But I feel like that deserves
its own episode. So that's coming soon.
I hope you folks are safe and healthy out there.

(01:34:22):
As always, I'm your host story and I'm ready to be petty.
See you soon. Bye.

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