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Hey, welcome to real beauty withFD.
This is episode 13, and this ispart two with Donna from anode.
Um, so we will continue thatconversation in a hot minute.
And I just want to say, can youbelieve we literally have like
19 days until Christmas.
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Oh, my gosh.
I am so stinking excited and I'munsure if I'm excited about the
food, the time off, I cannotwait to see Luna's.
Face when she sees her presence.
And when we, um, Completedecorating her room, which we
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have painted two walls.
And now we just need toconstruct the bad cause its
trunk, the bouquets.
Oh my God.
There's so much we need to do,but that will be up to us the
night before.
Which I'm so excited about.
I'm definitely in the Christmasspirit.
And, you know, one of the thingsI literally promise myself and I
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feel like I've been working upto building up my wardrobe to
allow me to do this.
Is for every day of Decemberwhere something sparkling.
And I've not succeed.
To the point where I literallytook off my, um, nail Polish the
other day, that was the onlysparkly thing on me.
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And now I have nothing.
So I have been terrible at thatcommitment, but tomorrow.
It's another day.
That I'm able to get back on thesparkle track.
So I'm willing to take thatcommitment.
Anyway.
What else has been happening?
Well, I am going to brag for asecond.
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And I have no shame.
I'm okay.
And I will explain why.
Today I got a promotion.
Which was totally not expected.
I didn't think this was going tohappen for a while.
And I am so fucking delighted.
Like I cannot express.
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How, like if anyone that's beenin like a similar situation or
maybe you sometimes kind oflook.
At more of like your career.
Uh, situation you think of camnot where I want to be.
When I started my career, I wasin the merchant Navy.
When I was 17.
So train spent years training.
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Finally, it was qualifiedofficer.
Um, really enjoyed it, but Iended up moving onshore.
Trust me.
I'm not going to bore you withmy life story.
I promise.
But I ended up moving onshorebecause, um, With my
relationship.
I didn't love being away.
So we were like, let's try andkind of get an onshore job.
And in reality, I then restartedmy career.
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Which is fine.
It just sucks having to like, goback to the beginning again.
And especially when you'veworked off shore, it's kind of
like that qualification or thatexperience is now Boyd because
working in an office iscompletely different.
So anyway, did that great.
And then we ended up moving.
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Here to the us, like nearly nineyears ago.
Which again, incredibleopportunity, but then it's like,
okay, the us is different.
My experience was all the UK areoff shore.
So again, I felt like I wasrestarting again with the
company.
Um, So, anyway, I just feel withmy age and experience, I've just
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not being where I've wanted tobe.
And I feel like it's constantlystriving for more year after
year.
Um, and it has been.
As you all know, cause I'vespoken about it openly.
It's been a tough year.
Um, and like work-wise, it hasbeen crazy since I took on this
position in February.
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Um, And it's been awesome.
Challenging.
Great exposure.
So like, I really appreciatethis opportunity.
But at the same time, it's, youknow, when you're like, oh my
God, like, I really just needsomething here.
Um, so anyway, I got the newstoday and of course I cried in
front of my manager.
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Who probably already thinks I'mcrazy, but.
It's like, God, I justappreciate it.
So damn much.
Um, and it just goes to show,like, I know.
It's easy thing.
There's kind of after the fact,but like, God, life is such a
roller coaster and there's goingto be good days, bad days.
Shit months.
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Um, even, you know, shit's here.
You know, longer periods if it'sover the course of months or
weeks.
Um, But it really is those kindof sparkly moments that I need
to start saving more and I needto start being more vocal about
it.
So yay to me.
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Um, and I'm so happy and.
Um, Yeah, I'm just reallylooking forward to it and it's
like, yeah, I'm just happy.
So I hope.
Well or listening, um, You alsoare having good news.
I hope good things are happeningat the end of this year.
Um, But I also.
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Like want to promote that whengood things happen, we need to
talk about it.
We need to praise one anotherand.
It's not, you shouldn't just belooking for that praise from
other people.
It's you need to be able to lookat yourself in the mirror and be
like, You're on it.
I love it.
Well done.
And that's how I feel today asI'm going to savor this moment.
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Um, and without further, do I amgoing to jump straight back into
this episode?
Um, so yeah.
Enjoy.
francene (06:16):
Like, I have this lavender spray, um, and I spray
it on my pillows before, youknow, when I'm kind of getting
organized and I
donna (06:24):
smell it and it's, yes, it's ritual.
And that's really importantbecause the other thing that's
important for the skin is sleep.
Yeah, that's true.
You know, your skin will do it.
It's most repairing at night, soyou need to have a, a nice
restful sleep.
francene (06:44):
Yeah, there is nothing.
So I love my sleep and Idefinitely go to bed, um, at
very reasonable hour.
Like, I'm tired by like nine, soI'm definitely not a party
animal.
Um, but on the days, if I dostay up or we have a four and a
half year old and sometimes, youknow, she has her, you know, a
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nightmare, whatever it is, evenjust missing out on a couple of
hours the next day, it is socrazy how like, just so
obviously the bags under myeyes, like my skin just looks
like gray.
I just, I notice it so muchmore.
It doesn't look radiant.
It doesn't look like wellrested.
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Like it's very obvious.
donna (07:28):
Yes.
Because you've missed some ofthat repair time.
You've, um, just changed thebody clock.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sleep is, is crucial.
And one of the, the.
Parts of getting a good sleep isthat routine, like you're
saying, you spray your pillowdown, so it just starts telling
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your mind and your body what'sto come and to slow down and,
you know, no screens in bed.
And so it's, I need to be better
francene (07:59):
with that.
donna (08:00):
Yes, that the blue light is, you know, also not great for
the.
It's, you know, it's like suncan cause sun damage and we're
on screens all the time.
I
francene (08:13):
know, I know.
Especially, um, like, especiallyover the last couple of years.
And, you know, I actually wasgoing to, this is a great segue.
I was gonna ask you, what haveyou, have you seen a significant
difference in either yourclients or new clients?
Because they have the zoom kindof fatigue where I've never seen
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so much of myself than I have inthe last couple of years.
And it is, maybe this is sayinga lot about me or like I'm
narcissistic or whatever.
But if you're on a Zoom callwith your other colleagues, you
can't help but look at yourpicture.
You look at their picture andthen you're like, oh my God.
Like that woman has great skin.
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Oh, my skin looks so bad todayand oh my god, you can see I'm
frowning.
Oh, their skin's perfect.
Like, have you seen a change inhow people are viewing
themselves over the last coupleof years compared to before?
donna (09:13):
I think yes.
And, and it started even earlierthan that with social media.
You know, there's, uh, I noticedthat Instagram now have on, um,
a post made with effect Oh to,yeah.
So it alerts people that there'sa filter being used here because
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I think the reality is, Is notthere anymore.
Mm-hmm.
you know, people are usingfilters and, and people are
thinking that's reality whenit's not.
And I think it's definitely,cause, I mean, I'm falling into
that chapter as well, thinking,oh gosh, look at them.
Um, you know, and it's not, notreal.
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And this is where we begin ourconversation with confidence.
And if you feel good, if youlook good, you feel good.
But we're looking at otherpeople and comparing ourselves,
but we're not comparing toreality.
francene (10:15):
I know.
So, you know, I actually, Ifeel, I feel bad for.
Like the, the younger generationcoming through knowing that
they're only gonna grow up withsocial media.
Cause I never had this, it wasonly when I was, you know, kinda
an adult that social media andcertainly Instagram was, you
know, more around.
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And I feel I'm comfortableenough in myself that, you know,
I'm okay.
But I agree.
And sometimes I see influencersdoing the, you know, like before
and after how they edit theirpictures.
And the crazy thing is, is whenyou see the edited picture,
like, it looks so real, youknow, like in the past, yes.
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You kind of be like, oh, I cantell that someone has a filter
on.
Like, it's just, your face is alittle bit more distorted.
But when you see the slighttouches or airbrushing that they
do to their skin and their body,I like, it's mind blowing how,
yeah.
You look at a picture and youthink this, I'm comparing myself
to like a fake image that is
donna (11:18):
yes, not possible.
Yes.
And we have seen so many fakeimages Yeah.
That we've become to think it'sreal.
No, I know.
I was just at Beauty Expo.
Yeah.
Where we were exhibiting BeautyExpo with anot and I saw that
there were two areas that werereally happening and one was
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machinery.
There's so many lasers andmachineries and.
Sculptors and yeah.
And then there was, you know,companies like me, the natural
and I really talking to thetherapists and you know, I was
saying to them, I really thinkthere's, the world is going to
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start shifting between the twodivides of beauty.
Those that have to have themachinery, the fillers, the
Botox, and then the other halfthat is going to embrace the
health and the wellness side oftheir life.
And then the other thing is it'sthat care factor of salons.
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Um, you know, cuz people areunder so much pressure, you
know, looking at those picturesthat are not real.
We're really being harder onourselves than we ever have been
in our lives.
And we're going to need thatcare from somewhere to, you
know, top us up.
And I believe salons in thatholistic experience is where
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people will go.
So I really see divide happeningin the beauty world.
Yeah.
Fake and
francene (12:57):
real Yeah, I agree.
And it has been nice seeing overcertainly the last five years,
the industry moving into morelike natural products, organic,
um, really like creating moreawareness to, you know,
consumers looking at the bottleand being like, what is in here?
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Do I understand?
You know, all of the products.
Does this make sense?
But yeah, I agree.
There's gonna be definitelythat, um, you know, kind of.
Extremes.
Yes.
And the care, what I see,especially here in the States,
is we need to ensure that, um,you know, if only I was in
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charge of this, the way I'mtalking.
Um, but I think it's like thejuvie of care with these
individuals performing like thefiller and the Botox and
everything else is ensuring thatthey're doing it for, you know
what I mean?
The right reasons.
And it doesn't go too far.
And I don't even know how youwould be able to kinda help with
that, but I, I don't know.
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I think there comes a pointwhere you're like, Hey, you've
completely changed your face.
Like, is everything okay Yes.
Do you need like, support?
Cause even, um, God, it was likeearlier this year.
Um, and we all have body partsthat, you know, if we could
change, I'm sure we would, butfor whatever reason we haven't.
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Right.
Because I'm.
Also of the opinion that I wasmade this way and it's what
makes me me, and I'm okay withthat.
Um, but I was havingconversation with my husband and
I was like, you know, maybe Ishould just, you know, get a
knows job.
Maybe I should just do it.
And he's completely against it.
He's like, this is ridiculous.
But I was thinking about it likea month later and I was like,
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can't I, why am I caring?
I'm like 33.
I've lived with this nose.
Everyone knows me.
But yeah, I still have brands.
I'm married, I've, you know whatI mean?
Great support network.
This is so ridiculous that I'meven thinking to this extent of
doing a procedure like that forwhat, like, I don't even think
it was for me.
Um, but I, it's, I can't imaginehow other people feel and the
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rationale in their minds to, youknow, the thought process.
donna (15:19):
Yes, I, I think the, um, there's a clinic that, um, sells
and on here and so I go thereregularly and they ha are laser
treatments, but they're alsoBotox and fillers.
And I have seen, um, the age ofthe girls in there.
And I also think, you know, alot of the time we want stuff
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for how we think it's going tomake us feel.
For sure.
Yes.
And the thing is, you canactually get that feeling
without doing that if you, youknow, work on your mindset and,
and then all those things youthink having that look will
bring, they can come anyway.
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But I, I do agree that I thinkpeople are doing it all for the
wrong reasons.
Yeah.
You know, the 20 year oldshaving Botox for prevention.
I know.
I'm like, what?
What, what?
I know.
I, yeah.
So it's, you know, as I saidearlier, our industry has a lot
of misinformation in it.
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And I often feel, you know,quite disappointed in there's no
regulation and there's no, youknow, people eventually say
anything about products, oh,it'll do this when you know it,
it won't do that.
I know.
francene (16:47):
And, you know, this is, um, this is a good and bad
thing about.
Like the internet is, we have somuch access to incredible
information.
People like the way we'reconnected in the world, even us
being able to have thisconversation.
You're in Australia.
I'm here.
Yes.
To connect it.
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I love this, but because there'sso much information out there,
it's, you know, I like when Isay to my doctor, I'm like, I, I
don't Google.
Cuz the minute you Google youfall down this rabbit hole.
If you're always gonna find anarticle or an opinion or however
it's written to be like, this iswhat you should be doing with
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like your skin or, yes.
And it's actually reallydifficult now and exhausting to
do the right research, to findthe right publications and
really the.
Source because there's so muchout there.
Yes.
That I know.
I get that feedback a lot likefrom my girlfriends is, can you
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recommend, you know, a productor a brand or whatever?
Because honestly the thought ofeven going out and looking for
it is too much Yes,
donna (17:59):
exactly.
And I think people are doing toomuch to their skin.
Mm-hmm.
you know, I was, um, a couple ofyears ago, I.
Um, and add up in a, in a salon.
And of course the girls wannatrial it for their own skin
first.
Yeah.
And so I say to them, right,what's your skin?
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And what are you using Now?
This girl was 20 years youngerthan me, and she had like 15
product she was using.
I was like, oh my gosh.
And, you know, her skin wasstripped.
It was, you know, not healing.
It was breaking out.
And there's this thing of, oh,I've gotta use an active
product.
It's like, what?
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What's an active product?
What is an active product?
Well, it's.
It's just a terminology thatpeople are using for things that
have acids and retinols and youknow, and it's quite funny
because active, they're notalive.
These products, they'resynthetics.
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So Yeah.
Um, you know, I just feel on awhole, people are doing too much
to their skin.
There's three steps to goodskin.
It's got to be clean.
So your cleansing routine isparamount to start that off.
Deep cleanse at night.
Very mild cleanse in themorning.
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Your skin's been at rest and,and you unit products should
have absorbed, it needs to besmooth.
So manually exfoliating theskin.
Yeah, and it needs to be most,they are the three steps to good
skin and then you can startlayering in what you want to
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concentrate on different areas,like for example, with an art,
we never use a cream on thethroat or around the eye area
because of the wax content istoo heavy for those fine,
delicate areas.
Oh, and it's how you apply it aswell.
Throat is applied in a downwarddirect.
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Not up as everybody has this.
Um, God.
francene (20:06):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I do it up.
I just, um, poor Donna, no oneelse can see this, but I'm like,
when she's talking, I'm alsodoing the motion of like, oh,
and then I'm like, oh God.
Yeah.
I think I always, yes, I think Igo upwards.
Yeah, I think,
donna (20:22):
oh, but you need to go down the throat because you need
to do lymphatic drainage, whichkeeps the tissue clear, so it
keeps the tissue more healthy.
You're also stimulating themuscles.
And, and there's a v.
That happens as you get older,these muscles separate out and
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you get this Big V and it's,people talk about it as a Turkey
neck, you know, if you think ofan older woman.
Yeah.
So, you know, that's the area.
The other thing is the eye area.
We teach master classes, so, andit's always interesting.
Everybody wants to pat aroundthe eye area and lightly dot
their products on.
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Yeah.
No, no, no, no, no.
And no Yes, I can see you doingit.
I think I do that.
You need to work.
I like middle finger becauseyou've got a lot of pressure in
it.
Yeah.
And you go from the inside tothe outside and you go really
firmly.
Now remember you are using anoil as the moisturizer.
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And then you go from the top ofthe nose across the brow bone.
Yeah.
And out.
And what that's going to do isdrain the lymphatic fluid.
You know, you talk about brokensleep, you'll wake up, you'll be
puffy.
Yeah.
That movement.
Yep.
That movement will drain thatlymphatic through.
Uh, the darkness, under the eyeswill also dissipate because you
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are draining through.
If you're a sinus person, yeah.
You will get, um, discolorationthrough there and you lift that
muscle.
Everything's gotta be done quitefirmly.
It's quite the opposite to whatpeople think they should do with
their skin.
If you've had a facial, you'llknow your movements are firm.
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You wanna stimulate oxygen, youwanna stimulate lymph, you wanna
stimulate blood supply to, tothe skin because that keeps it
nice and healthy.
Yeah, it's
francene (22:23):
so true.
Um, what, what are your thoughtson, you know, when, um, like you
typically go for a facial andthey do extractions and I, I
mean, I know when it's yourskin.
I really try not to pick myskin.
I definitely have in the past,but I really try and avoid it
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with like, I know it's justgonna make it worse.
I've learned that.
It
just
donna (22:47):
makes it worse.
It, it does, it slows down thehealing process.
francene (22:50):
Yeah.
And I end up then with a wetthat actually no one noticed
before, and now it's like halfUm, definitely learn my lesson.
But with regards to likeextractions, like do you
recommend them when you go forlike a facial cause then a
professional's doing it?
Like what is the best way to,especially if you suffer from
like black heads or, you knowwhat I mean, your skin just, it
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needs it out.
Do you, what, what do you think
donna (23:15):
there?
Um, look, yes.
I think extraction can beneeded.
You have to be careful withextracting.
No, because the skin, like asyou say, you come out with a big
welt from, from it.
Um, but it needs to, this,everything comes up and out of
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the skin.
So sometimes after you've had afacial, you'll end up with spots
afterwards.
That spot was going to come upanyway.
Yeah.
It's just been stimulated fasterup and out of the skin.
So extracting the skin, um, if,um, there's infection to open it
up and let the infection out.
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Um, not a lot of pressure ontoit has to be done with the side
of the fingers.
So you're pressing against thepaw and everything will come up
and out.
Um, black heads, um, you.
Can get rid of with yourexfoliation proper cleansing
routine.
And a lot of people talk aboutblack heads on the nose cuz I
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can see what you are doing now.
Fran I definitely, yep.
Now a lot of the time they are,they're paws open pause.
Now it's a whole, so within awhole it's black.
Yeah.
So you are actually just lookingwithin the pour.
If you, you've got filament inthere, it oxidizes and goes
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black.
So it's your cleansing routinethat's very important to make
sure that pour is clean becausea pour fills up from the
outside.
So it just keeps gettingfilament and debris, bit of
makeup, a bit of, you know,sunblock and it, it's filling up
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in there.
So it's really important to usea product.
And you'll see our products.
We have oils as cleansers.
Yeah.
And even our creams have a very,I think you have the ha haba.
Yeah.
francene (25:15):
Yeah I do.
Yeah.
This
donna (25:16):
is, it's still oil based as a cream because molecularly
the structure of oil is going toget in and clean the pour out
better.
Now one of the things with uswith cleansing, you clean has to
go until dry skin.
Because you have to break downwhat's oil soluble first.
Then you put the, so your oilsolubles make up sunblock,
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moisturizer, natural oil flow,and then you clean what's water
soluble.
So you put the water on.
Oil and water don't mix, butthey bond.
So you are going to lifteverything up and out of the
skin, and then you have to takea face, cloth, the sponge, meat,
whatever, and physically pick upand take all of that product off
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the skin.
If you gonna splash off ortissue off your product, you are
not going to get it off the skincorrectly.
That is so
francene (26:12):
true, man.
I'm just thinking, um, likeespecially lately, just as I
know I like wash my face, likehow often I do sometimes use,
you know, like a washcloth, buthow often I just, you know what
I mean?
Like use water and then thinkokay to roll, but you quite
like, in reality it's like howmuch of are you actually taking
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off?
You know what I mean?
From your skin, like how cleanare you getting it?
donna (26:41):
I did a, a lady's skin one day and she said to me, oh,
I cleans last night and I've gotnothing on my skin now.
So I, you.
I'm clean, so I cleansed herface with our mist.
Yeah.
Using a pad.
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And I took off strips of makeupon the side of her face that she
didn't cleanse off properly fromthe night before.
Oh my.
And then she put moisturizerover the top of that, then she
slept in it all night.
Then she put moisturizer on thetop of that.
Yeah.
I've also seen under a darklight, a woman who had said, I
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cleanse last night and I've gotnothing on my skin.
And we had the sun cancer, um,charity in with us, and they had
their camera for picking uppigment, and we could see where
this woman had left some blockon her face.
After cleansing.
Oh my God.
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So it's important for not onlyyour ingredients, but how you
use your products.
And that's what an's about.
It's a facial in a bottle.
You know, it was educating howto use your products because a
lot of the time, you know, ifyou don't quite get it right, it
doesn't matter what you'reputting onto the.
francene (28:09):
Yeah, it's so true.
God, I feel like I'm gonna washmy face so well tonight,
donna (28:15):
Um, that'll be the like you've had for age and go get
your miss out of your hand back.
I know.
Make sure.
Yes.
And spray your miss from oneside of the face to the other.
So the face is wet.
Yeah.
Then you, you cotton pad startin the middle of the forward and
wipe out.
Yeah.
Do one side of the face, flipthe cotton pad, do the other
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side of the face, starting fromthe forward down and then down
the throat to make sure it'sclean.
And you'll be surprised thatwhat you can see, I mean, I've.
a professional facialist forover, you know, 25 years, and I
can leave makeup on my face whenI'm cleansed off.
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I sometimes think, oh mygoodness.
So you have to up with the missto make sure you've taken all of
that, you know?
Day off your face because it'snot only, you know, the makeup,
et cetera, you know, it'syelling at the husband, it's the
the kids, the, you've gotta getit all
francene (29:20):
off.
Well I'm definitely, maybe Ishould do like a video or
something to do this just toshowcase cuz Yeah, the cleanser
is incredible.
So I will properly wash my faceand I will document it.
Um, lovely.
But so Donna, I wanna berespectful of your time.
Um, and this has been awesomeinformation.
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Like, I really, reallyappreciate it.
Um, but I wanna do a quick fireround, so whatever pops into
your head, um, feel free toanswer it in that way.
So what is your favoritecocktail?
donna (29:56):
It's called a Bombay Rose.
Oh, so it has rose, rose petals.
Rose gin.
I live on the beach and there'sa really good cocktail bar,
that's like the, I'll send youthe recipe.
francene (30:12):
Please.
Please send it to me.
Um, do you prefer going to thecinema or a home Movie?
Home Movie, yeah.
It's always nice at home.
Um, what is your most usedemoji?
donna (30:29):
Uh, the one where the eyebrow is raised.
francene (30:35):
Um, if you were a sex in the city character, which one
would you be?
And hopefully you watch it.
donna (30:43):
Oh, I would be Charlotte.
but I'd prefer to be SamanthaOh, def.
But I'm definitely Charlotte
francene (30:55):
Do you know I'm exactly the same, but I really
want the touch of Samantha.
Like we all need.
donna (31:00):
Yes.
It'd be nice to be
francene (31:02):
that bold.
Yes.
You would.
Um, if you could pick twoskincare products, what would
they be?
donna (31:10):
Okay.
Definitely cleanser.
Yep.
And a moisturizer.
francene (31:16):
Awesome.
And any particular ones fromyour brand that you would be
like, these are like the two,
donna (31:24):
my basil and rosemary cleansing oil is to die for.
Okay.
And for moisturizing.
I love, um, my moisturizing roseface oil.
Okay.
It's frankincense and rose oiland it's just
francene (31:41):
beautiful.
Yeah, I'm a sucker for anythingRose, to be honest.
Um, if you could be anyone forthe day, who would you be?
donna (31:51):
Madonna.
Oh,
francene (31:53):
that's a correct answer.
And Madonna, or just like timeover the years or
donna (32:00):
time?
Anytime.
She's a little older than me,but I have just adored her from
the first time I've seen her andI've been lucky enough to see
her in concert twice.
francene (32:12):
Amazing.
I've only seen her once.
Um, and she was great.
But yeah, I've always been afan, especially of her earlier
songs.
Yes.
donna (32:24):
Um, yeah, and she still brings it today, even in her
sixties.
She, oh, you know, controversialand
francene (32:31):
Yes.
Yeah, she definitely, um, has,and do you know what else I love
about Madonna is she has evolvedso much over the years that it's
like every album was like adifferent persona of her and I,
I, I love, like she changed theway like she looked her hair,
even the music, like, it'simpressive for an artist to
(32:54):
continue to stay so relevantknowing that music changes.
Like, it's incredible.
donna (33:02):
Yes.
So that's who I would love.
I've always said that if I couldbe anybody else, I'd be Madonna.
I
francene (33:08):
love that.
Yeah.
That is a good one.
Um, and lastly, what is yourlife motto or like phrase that
you live by Daily?
donna (33:19):
It always works out.
That's true.
francene (33:22):
It really
donna (33:23):
does.
Yeah.
The universe always has youback.
Even I have, I've got a littlepocketbook cat at the moment,
and it says, the universe hasthree answers for you.
Yes.
Not right now.
Or, I've got something betterfor you.
francene (33:40):
Yeah, I love that.
I feel like now more than ever,we need to like, hear things
like that.
And, um, certainly for me, I, Idefinitely appreciate, um, that
type of phrase.
So thank you for sharing it.
Um, and really thank you fortaking time out to speak with
me.
Um, so for everyone, please gocheck out.com.
(34:05):
Wait, let me double check.
Is that this?
Yeah.
Au.
Okay, perfect.
Um, and then, Let me just spellthat too.
So when you search on likeInstagram, it's a n n o d.
So as we said, Donna spelledbackground, uh, backwards.
Um, so it's a natural skincarewhen you're searching on
(34:26):
Instagram.
Um, and I always appreciate likeyour videos and, and different
kind of tips when it comes to,you know, kinda of using the
products but really, reallyappreciate your knowledge and
time and um, yeah, I'm lookingforward to washing my face as
you correctly.
Yeah, dunno how excited I'mabout everything coming out, but
(34:48):
yeah.
so no, thank you so much.
donna (34:53):
My pleasure.
Thanks for having
francene (34:55):
me Francine.
Anytime.
We'll talk soon, I'm sure.
donna (34:58):
Okay, great.
Bye.
Bye.
Hey, welcome to real beauty withFD.
This is episode 13, and this ispart two with Donna from anode.
Um, so we will continue thatconversation in a hot minute.
And I just want to say, can youbelieve we literally have like
19 days until Christmas.
(00:22):
Oh, my gosh.
I am so stinking excited and I'munsure if I'm excited about the
food, the time off, I cannotwait to see Luna's.
Face when she sees her presence.
And when we, um, Completedecorating her room, which we
(00:42):
have painted two walls.
And now we just need toconstruct the bad cause its
trunk, the bouquets.
Oh my God.
There's so much we need to do,but that will be up to us the
night before.
Which I'm so excited about.
I'm definitely in the Christmasspirit.
And, you know, one of the thingsI literally promise myself and I
(01:05):
feel like I've been working upto building up my wardrobe to
allow me to do this.
Is for every day of Decemberwhere something sparkling.
And I've not succeed.
To the point where I literallytook off my, um, nail Polish the
other day, that was the onlysparkly thing on me.
(01:26):
And now I have nothing.
So I have been terrible at thatcommitment, but tomorrow.
It's another day.
That I'm able to get back on thesparkle track.
So I'm willing to take thatcommitment.
Anyway.
What else has been happening?
Well, I am going to brag for asecond.
(01:50):
And I have no shame.
I'm okay.
And I will explain why.
Today I got a promotion.
Which was totally not expected.
I didn't think this was going tohappen for a while.
And I am so fucking delighted.
Like I cannot express.
(02:10):
How, like if anyone that's beenin like a similar situation or
maybe you sometimes kind oflook.
At more of like your career.
Uh, situation you think of camnot where I want to be.
When I started my career, I wasin the merchant Navy.
When I was 17.
So train spent years training.
(02:31):
Finally, it was qualifiedofficer.
Um, really enjoyed it, but Iended up moving onshore.
Trust me.
I'm not going to bore you withmy life story.
I promise.
But I ended up moving onshorebecause, um, With my
relationship.
I didn't love being away.
So we were like, let's try andkind of get an onshore job.
And in reality, I then restartedmy career.
(02:56):
Which is fine.
It just sucks having to like, goback to the beginning again.
And especially when you'veworked off shore, it's kind of
like that qualification or thatexperience is now Boyd because
working in an office iscompletely different.
So anyway, did that great.
And then we ended up moving.
(03:17):
Here to the us, like nearly nineyears ago.
Which again, incredibleopportunity, but then it's like,
okay, the us is different.
My experience was all the UK areoff shore.
So again, I felt like I wasrestarting again with the
company.
Um, So, anyway, I just feel withmy age and experience, I've just
(03:40):
not being where I've wanted tobe.
And I feel like it's constantlystriving for more year after
year.
Um, and it has been.
As you all know, cause I'vespoken about it openly.
It's been a tough year.
Um, and like work-wise, it hasbeen crazy since I took on this
position in February.
(04:00):
Um, And it's been awesome.
Challenging.
Great exposure.
So like, I really appreciatethis opportunity.
But at the same time, it's, youknow, when you're like, oh my
God, like, I really just needsomething here.
Um, so anyway, I got the newstoday and of course I cried in
front of my manager.
(04:23):
Who probably already thinks I'mcrazy, but.
It's like, God, I justappreciate it.
So damn much.
Um, and it just goes to show,like, I know.
It's easy thing.
There's kind of after the fact,but like, God, life is such a
roller coaster and there's goingto be good days, bad days.
Shit months.
(04:43):
Um, even, you know, shit's here.
You know, longer periods if it'sover the course of months or
weeks.
Um, But it really is those kindof sparkly moments that I need
to start saving more and I needto start being more vocal about
it.
So yay to me.
(05:04):
Um, and I'm so happy and.
Um, Yeah, I'm just reallylooking forward to it and it's
like, yeah, I'm just happy.
So I hope.
Well or listening, um, You alsoare having good news.
I hope good things are happeningat the end of this year.
Um, But I also.
(05:28):
Like want to promote that whengood things happen, we need to
talk about it.
We need to praise one anotherand.
It's not, you shouldn't just belooking for that praise from
other people.
It's you need to be able to lookat yourself in the mirror and be
like, You're on it.
I love it.
Well done.
And that's how I feel today asI'm going to savor this moment.
(05:49):
Um, and without further, do I amgoing to jump straight back into
this episode?
Um, so yeah.
Enjoy.
francene (06:16):
Like, I have this lavender spray, um, and I spray
it on my pillows before, youknow, when I'm kind of getting
organized and I
donna (06:24):
smell it and it's, yes, it's ritual.
And that's really importantbecause the other thing that's
important for the skin is sleep.
Yeah, that's true.
You know, your skin will do it.
It's most repairing at night, soyou need to have a, a nice
restful sleep.
francene (06:44):
Yeah, there is nothing.
So I love my sleep and Idefinitely go to bed, um, at
very reasonable hour.
Like, I'm tired by like nine, soI'm definitely not a party
animal.
Um, but on the days, if I dostay up or we have a four and a
half year old and sometimes, youknow, she has her, you know, a
(07:05):
nightmare, whatever it is, evenjust missing out on a couple of
hours the next day, it is socrazy how like, just so
obviously the bags under myeyes, like my skin just looks
like gray.
I just, I notice it so muchmore.
It doesn't look radiant.
It doesn't look like wellrested.
(07:25):
Like it's very obvious.
donna (07:28):
Yes.
Because you've missed some ofthat repair time.
You've, um, just changed thebody clock.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sleep is, is crucial.
And one of the, the.
Parts of getting a good sleep isthat routine, like you're
saying, you spray your pillowdown, so it just starts telling
(07:48):
your mind and your body what'sto come and to slow down and,
you know, no screens in bed.
And so it's, I need to be better
francene (07:59):
with that.
donna (08:00):
Yes, that the blue light is, you know, also not great for
the.
It's, you know, it's like suncan cause sun damage and we're
on screens all the time.
I
francene (08:13):
know, I know.
Especially, um, like, especiallyover the last couple of years.
And, you know, I actually wasgoing to, this is a great segue.
I was gonna ask you, what haveyou, have you seen a significant
difference in either yourclients or new clients?
Because they have the zoom kindof fatigue where I've never seen
(08:38):
so much of myself than I have inthe last couple of years.
And it is, maybe this is sayinga lot about me or like I'm
narcissistic or whatever.
But if you're on a Zoom callwith your other colleagues, you
can't help but look at yourpicture.
You look at their picture andthen you're like, oh my God.
Like that woman has great skin.
(08:58):
Oh, my skin looks so bad todayand oh my god, you can see I'm
frowning.
Oh, their skin's perfect.
Like, have you seen a change inhow people are viewing
themselves over the last coupleof years compared to before?
donna (09:13):
I think yes.
And, and it started even earlierthan that with social media.
You know, there's, uh, I noticedthat Instagram now have on, um,
a post made with effect Oh to,yeah.
So it alerts people that there'sa filter being used here because
(09:36):
I think the reality is, Is notthere anymore.
Mm-hmm.
you know, people are usingfilters and, and people are
thinking that's reality whenit's not.
And I think it's definitely,cause, I mean, I'm falling into
that chapter as well, thinking,oh gosh, look at them.
Um, you know, and it's not, notreal.
(09:58):
And this is where we begin ourconversation with confidence.
And if you feel good, if youlook good, you feel good.
But we're looking at otherpeople and comparing ourselves,
but we're not comparing toreality.
francene (10:15):
I know.
So, you know, I actually, Ifeel, I feel bad for.
Like the, the younger generationcoming through knowing that
they're only gonna grow up withsocial media.
Cause I never had this, it wasonly when I was, you know, kinda
an adult that social media andcertainly Instagram was, you
know, more around.
(10:35):
And I feel I'm comfortableenough in myself that, you know,
I'm okay.
But I agree.
And sometimes I see influencersdoing the, you know, like before
and after how they edit theirpictures.
And the crazy thing is, is whenyou see the edited picture,
like, it looks so real, youknow, like in the past, yes.
(10:56):
You kind of be like, oh, I cantell that someone has a filter
on.
Like, it's just, your face is alittle bit more distorted.
But when you see the slighttouches or airbrushing that they
do to their skin and their body,I like, it's mind blowing how,
yeah.
You look at a picture and youthink this, I'm comparing myself
to like a fake image that is
donna (11:18):
yes, not possible.
Yes.
And we have seen so many fakeimages Yeah.
That we've become to think it'sreal.
No, I know.
I was just at Beauty Expo.
Yeah.
Where we were exhibiting BeautyExpo with anot and I saw that
there were two areas that werereally happening and one was
(11:43):
machinery.
There's so many lasers andmachineries and.
Sculptors and yeah.
And then there was, you know,companies like me, the natural
and I really talking to thetherapists and you know, I was
saying to them, I really thinkthere's, the world is going to
(12:04):
start shifting between the twodivides of beauty.
Those that have to have themachinery, the fillers, the
Botox, and then the other halfthat is going to embrace the
health and the wellness side oftheir life.
And then the other thing is it'sthat care factor of salons.
(12:27):
Um, you know, cuz people areunder so much pressure, you
know, looking at those picturesthat are not real.
We're really being harder onourselves than we ever have been
in our lives.
And we're going to need thatcare from somewhere to, you
know, top us up.
And I believe salons in thatholistic experience is where
(12:51):
people will go.
So I really see divide happeningin the beauty world.
Yeah.
Fake and
francene (12:57):
real Yeah, I agree.
And it has been nice seeing overcertainly the last five years,
the industry moving into morelike natural products, organic,
um, really like creating moreawareness to, you know,
consumers looking at the bottleand being like, what is in here?
(13:21):
Do I understand?
You know, all of the products.
Does this make sense?
But yeah, I agree.
There's gonna be definitelythat, um, you know, kind of.
Extremes.
Yes.
And the care, what I see,especially here in the States,
is we need to ensure that, um,you know, if only I was in
(13:42):
charge of this, the way I'mtalking.
Um, but I think it's like thejuvie of care with these
individuals performing like thefiller and the Botox and
everything else is ensuring thatthey're doing it for, you know
what I mean?
The right reasons.
And it doesn't go too far.
And I don't even know how youwould be able to kinda help with
that, but I, I don't know.
(14:04):
I think there comes a pointwhere you're like, Hey, you've
completely changed your face.
Like, is everything okay Yes.
Do you need like, support?
Cause even, um, God, it was likeearlier this year.
Um, and we all have body partsthat, you know, if we could
change, I'm sure we would, butfor whatever reason we haven't.
(14:27):
Right.
Because I'm.
Also of the opinion that I wasmade this way and it's what
makes me me, and I'm okay withthat.
Um, but I was havingconversation with my husband and
I was like, you know, maybe Ishould just, you know, get a
knows job.
Maybe I should just do it.
And he's completely against it.
He's like, this is ridiculous.
But I was thinking about it likea month later and I was like,
(14:49):
can't I, why am I caring?
I'm like 33.
I've lived with this nose.
Everyone knows me.
But yeah, I still have brands.
I'm married, I've, you know whatI mean?
Great support network.
This is so ridiculous that I'meven thinking to this extent of
doing a procedure like that forwhat, like, I don't even think
it was for me.
Um, but I, it's, I can't imaginehow other people feel and the
(15:13):
rationale in their minds to, youknow, the thought process.
donna (15:19):
Yes, I, I think the, um, there's a clinic that, um, sells
and on here and so I go thereregularly and they ha are laser
treatments, but they're alsoBotox and fillers.
And I have seen, um, the age ofthe girls in there.
And I also think, you know, alot of the time we want stuff
(15:44):
for how we think it's going tomake us feel.
For sure.
Yes.
And the thing is, you canactually get that feeling
without doing that if you, youknow, work on your mindset and,
and then all those things youthink having that look will
bring, they can come anyway.
(16:07):
But I, I do agree that I thinkpeople are doing it all for the
wrong reasons.
Yeah.
You know, the 20 year oldshaving Botox for prevention.
I know.
I'm like, what?
What, what?
I know.
I, yeah.
So it's, you know, as I saidearlier, our industry has a lot
of misinformation in it.
(16:30):
And I often feel, you know,quite disappointed in there's no
regulation and there's no, youknow, people eventually say
anything about products, oh,it'll do this when you know it,
it won't do that.
I know.
francene (16:47):
And, you know, this is, um, this is a good and bad
thing about.
Like the internet is, we have somuch access to incredible
information.
People like the way we'reconnected in the world, even us
being able to have thisconversation.
You're in Australia.
I'm here.
Yes.
To connect it.
(17:07):
I love this, but because there'sso much information out there,
it's, you know, I like when Isay to my doctor, I'm like, I, I
don't Google.
Cuz the minute you Google youfall down this rabbit hole.
If you're always gonna find anarticle or an opinion or however
it's written to be like, this iswhat you should be doing with
(17:28):
like your skin or, yes.
And it's actually reallydifficult now and exhausting to
do the right research, to findthe right publications and
really the.
Source because there's so muchout there.
Yes.
That I know.
I get that feedback a lot likefrom my girlfriends is, can you
(17:50):
recommend, you know, a productor a brand or whatever?
Because honestly the thought ofeven going out and looking for
it is too much Yes,
donna (17:59):
exactly.
And I think people are doing toomuch to their skin.
Mm-hmm.
you know, I was, um, a couple ofyears ago, I.
Um, and add up in a, in a salon.
And of course the girls wannatrial it for their own skin
first.
Yeah.
And so I say to them, right,what's your skin?
(18:19):
And what are you using Now?
This girl was 20 years youngerthan me, and she had like 15
product she was using.
I was like, oh my gosh.
And, you know, her skin wasstripped.
It was, you know, not healing.
It was breaking out.
And there's this thing of, oh,I've gotta use an active
product.
It's like, what?
(18:39):
What's an active product?
What is an active product?
Well, it's.
It's just a terminology thatpeople are using for things that
have acids and retinols and youknow, and it's quite funny
because active, they're notalive.
These products, they'resynthetics.
(19:00):
So Yeah.
Um, you know, I just feel on awhole, people are doing too much
to their skin.
There's three steps to goodskin.
It's got to be clean.
So your cleansing routine isparamount to start that off.
Deep cleanse at night.
Very mild cleanse in themorning.
(19:20):
Your skin's been at rest and,and you unit products should
have absorbed, it needs to besmooth.
So manually exfoliating theskin.
Yeah, and it needs to be most,they are the three steps to good
skin and then you can startlayering in what you want to
(19:41):
concentrate on different areas,like for example, with an art,
we never use a cream on thethroat or around the eye area
because of the wax content istoo heavy for those fine,
delicate areas.
Oh, and it's how you apply it aswell.
Throat is applied in a downwarddirect.
(20:03):
Not up as everybody has this.
Um, God.
francene (20:06):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I do it up.
I just, um, poor Donna, no oneelse can see this, but I'm like,
when she's talking, I'm alsodoing the motion of like, oh,
and then I'm like, oh God.
Yeah.
I think I always, yes, I think Igo upwards.
Yeah, I think,
donna (20:22):
oh, but you need to go down the throat because you need
to do lymphatic drainage, whichkeeps the tissue clear, so it
keeps the tissue more healthy.
You're also stimulating themuscles.
And, and there's a v.
That happens as you get older,these muscles separate out and
(20:42):
you get this Big V and it's,people talk about it as a Turkey
neck, you know, if you think ofan older woman.
Yeah.
So, you know, that's the area.
The other thing is the eye area.
We teach master classes, so, andit's always interesting.
Everybody wants to pat aroundthe eye area and lightly dot
their products on.
(21:04):
Yeah.
No, no, no, no, no.
And no Yes, I can see you doingit.
I think I do that.
You need to work.
I like middle finger becauseyou've got a lot of pressure in
it.
Yeah.
And you go from the inside tothe outside and you go really
firmly.
Now remember you are using anoil as the moisturizer.
(21:27):
And then you go from the top ofthe nose across the brow bone.
Yeah.
And out.
And what that's going to do isdrain the lymphatic fluid.
You know, you talk about brokensleep, you'll wake up, you'll be
puffy.
Yeah.
That movement.
Yep.
That movement will drain thatlymphatic through.
Uh, the darkness, under the eyeswill also dissipate because you
(21:50):
are draining through.
If you're a sinus person, yeah.
You will get, um, discolorationthrough there and you lift that
muscle.
Everything's gotta be done quitefirmly.
It's quite the opposite to whatpeople think they should do with
their skin.
If you've had a facial, you'llknow your movements are firm.
(22:13):
You wanna stimulate oxygen, youwanna stimulate lymph, you wanna
stimulate blood supply to, tothe skin because that keeps it
nice and healthy.
Yeah, it's
francene (22:23):
so true.
Um, what, what are your thoughtson, you know, when, um, like you
typically go for a facial andthey do extractions and I, I
mean, I know when it's yourskin.
I really try not to pick myskin.
I definitely have in the past,but I really try and avoid it
(22:43):
with like, I know it's justgonna make it worse.
I've learned that.
It
just
donna (22:47):
makes it worse.
It, it does, it slows down thehealing process.
francene (22:50):
Yeah.
And I end up then with a wetthat actually no one noticed
before, and now it's like halfUm, definitely learn my lesson.
But with regards to likeextractions, like do you
recommend them when you go forlike a facial cause then a
professional's doing it?
Like what is the best way to,especially if you suffer from
like black heads or, you knowwhat I mean, your skin just, it
(23:12):
needs it out.
Do you, what, what do you think
donna (23:15):
there?
Um, look, yes.
I think extraction can beneeded.
You have to be careful withextracting.
No, because the skin, like asyou say, you come out with a big
welt from, from it.
Um, but it needs to, this,everything comes up and out of
(23:38):
the skin.
So sometimes after you've had afacial, you'll end up with spots
afterwards.
That spot was going to come upanyway.
Yeah.
It's just been stimulated fasterup and out of the skin.
So extracting the skin, um, if,um, there's infection to open it
up and let the infection out.
(23:58):
Um, not a lot of pressure ontoit has to be done with the side
of the fingers.
So you're pressing against thepaw and everything will come up
and out.
Um, black heads, um, you.
Can get rid of with yourexfoliation proper cleansing
routine.
And a lot of people talk aboutblack heads on the nose cuz I
(24:20):
can see what you are doing now.
Fran I definitely, yep.
Now a lot of the time they are,they're paws open pause.
Now it's a whole, so within awhole it's black.
Yeah.
So you are actually just lookingwithin the pour.
If you, you've got filament inthere, it oxidizes and goes
(24:42):
black.
So it's your cleansing routinethat's very important to make
sure that pour is clean becausea pour fills up from the
outside.
So it just keeps gettingfilament and debris, bit of
makeup, a bit of, you know,sunblock and it, it's filling up
(25:03):
in there.
So it's really important to usea product.
And you'll see our products.
We have oils as cleansers.
Yeah.
And even our creams have a very,I think you have the ha haba.
Yeah.
francene (25:15):
Yeah I do.
Yeah.
This
donna (25:16):
is, it's still oil based as a cream because molecularly
the structure of oil is going toget in and clean the pour out
better.
Now one of the things with uswith cleansing, you clean has to
go until dry skin.
Because you have to break downwhat's oil soluble first.
Then you put the, so your oilsolubles make up sunblock,
(25:39):
moisturizer, natural oil flow,and then you clean what's water
soluble.
So you put the water on.
Oil and water don't mix, butthey bond.
So you are going to lifteverything up and out of the
skin, and then you have to takea face, cloth, the sponge, meat,
whatever, and physically pick upand take all of that product off
(26:02):
the skin.
If you gonna splash off ortissue off your product, you are
not going to get it off the skincorrectly.
That is so
francene (26:12):
true, man.
I'm just thinking, um, likeespecially lately, just as I
know I like wash my face, likehow often I do sometimes use,
you know, like a washcloth, buthow often I just, you know what
I mean?
Like use water and then thinkokay to roll, but you quite
like, in reality it's like howmuch of are you actually taking
(26:35):
off?
You know what I mean?
From your skin, like how cleanare you getting it?
donna (26:41):
I did a, a lady's skin one day and she said to me, oh,
I cleans last night and I've gotnothing on my skin now.
So I, you.
I'm clean, so I cleansed herface with our mist.
Yeah.
Using a pad.
(27:02):
And I took off strips of makeupon the side of her face that she
didn't cleanse off properly fromthe night before.
Oh my.
And then she put moisturizerover the top of that, then she
slept in it all night.
Then she put moisturizer on thetop of that.
Yeah.
I've also seen under a darklight, a woman who had said, I
(27:26):
cleanse last night and I've gotnothing on my skin.
And we had the sun cancer, um,charity in with us, and they had
their camera for picking uppigment, and we could see where
this woman had left some blockon her face.
After cleansing.
Oh my God.
(27:46):
So it's important for not onlyyour ingredients, but how you
use your products.
And that's what an's about.
It's a facial in a bottle.
You know, it was educating howto use your products because a
lot of the time, you know, ifyou don't quite get it right, it
doesn't matter what you'reputting onto the.
francene (28:09):
Yeah, it's so true.
God, I feel like I'm gonna washmy face so well tonight,
donna (28:15):
Um, that'll be the like you've had for age and go get
your miss out of your hand back.
I know.
Make sure.
Yes.
And spray your miss from oneside of the face to the other.
So the face is wet.
Yeah.
Then you, you cotton pad startin the middle of the forward and
wipe out.
Yeah.
Do one side of the face, flipthe cotton pad, do the other
(28:38):
side of the face, starting fromthe forward down and then down
the throat to make sure it'sclean.
And you'll be surprised thatwhat you can see, I mean, I've.
a professional facialist forover, you know, 25 years, and I
can leave makeup on my face whenI'm cleansed off.
(29:00):
I sometimes think, oh mygoodness.
So you have to up with the missto make sure you've taken all of
that, you know?
Day off your face because it'snot only, you know, the makeup,
et cetera, you know, it'syelling at the husband, it's the
the kids, the, you've gotta getit all
francene (29:20):
off.
Well I'm definitely, maybe Ishould do like a video or
something to do this just toshowcase cuz Yeah, the cleanser
is incredible.
So I will properly wash my faceand I will document it.
Um, lovely.
But so Donna, I wanna berespectful of your time.
Um, and this has been awesomeinformation.
(29:40):
Like, I really, reallyappreciate it.
Um, but I wanna do a quick fireround, so whatever pops into
your head, um, feel free toanswer it in that way.
So what is your favoritecocktail?
donna (29:56):
It's called a Bombay Rose.
Oh, so it has rose, rose petals.
Rose gin.
I live on the beach and there'sa really good cocktail bar,
that's like the, I'll send youthe recipe.
francene (30:12):
Please.
Please send it to me.
Um, do you prefer going to thecinema or a home Movie?
Home Movie, yeah.
It's always nice at home.
Um, what is your most usedemoji?
donna (30:29):
Uh, the one where the eyebrow is raised.
francene (30:35):
Um, if you were a sex in the city character, which one
would you be?
And hopefully you watch it.
donna (30:43):
Oh, I would be Charlotte.
but I'd prefer to be SamanthaOh, def.
But I'm definitely Charlotte
francene (30:55):
Do you know I'm exactly the same, but I really
want the touch of Samantha.
Like we all need.
donna (31:00):
Yes.
It'd be nice to be
francene (31:02):
that bold.
Yes.
You would.
Um, if you could pick twoskincare products, what would
they be?
donna (31:10):
Okay.
Definitely cleanser.
Yep.
And a moisturizer.
francene (31:16):
Awesome.
And any particular ones fromyour brand that you would be
like, these are like the two,
donna (31:24):
my basil and rosemary cleansing oil is to die for.
Okay.
And for moisturizing.
I love, um, my moisturizing roseface oil.
Okay.
It's frankincense and rose oiland it's just
francene (31:41):
beautiful.
Yeah, I'm a sucker for anythingRose, to be honest.
Um, if you could be anyone forthe day, who would you be?
donna (31:51):
Madonna.
Oh,
francene (31:53):
that's a correct answer.
And Madonna, or just like timeover the years or
donna (32:00):
time?
Anytime.
She's a little older than me,but I have just adored her from
the first time I've seen her andI've been lucky enough to see
her in concert twice.
francene (32:12):
Amazing.
I've only seen her once.
Um, and she was great.
But yeah, I've always been afan, especially of her earlier
songs.
Yes.
donna (32:24):
Um, yeah, and she still brings it today, even in her
sixties.
She, oh, you know, controversialand
francene (32:31):
Yes.
Yeah, she definitely, um, has,and do you know what else I love
about Madonna is she has evolvedso much over the years that it's
like every album was like adifferent persona of her and I,
I, I love, like she changed theway like she looked her hair,
even the music, like, it'simpressive for an artist to
(32:54):
continue to stay so relevantknowing that music changes.
Like, it's incredible.
donna (33:02):
Yes.
So that's who I would love.
I've always said that if I couldbe anybody else, I'd be Madonna.
I
francene (33:08):
love that.
Yeah.
That is a good one.
Um, and lastly, what is yourlife motto or like phrase that
you live by Daily?
donna (33:19):
It always works out.
That's true.
francene (33:22):
It really
donna (33:23):
does.
Yeah.
The universe always has youback.
Even I have, I've got a littlepocketbook cat at the moment,
and it says, the universe hasthree answers for you.
Yes.
Not right now.
Or, I've got something betterfor you.
francene (33:40):
Yeah, I love that.
I feel like now more than ever,we need to like, hear things
like that.
And, um, certainly for me, I, Idefinitely appreciate, um, that
type of phrase.
So thank you for sharing it.
Um, and really thank you fortaking time out to speak with
me.
Um, so for everyone, please gocheck out.com.
(34:05):
Wait, let me double check.
Is that this?
Yeah.
Au.
Okay, perfect.
Um, and then, Let me just spellthat too.
So when you search on likeInstagram, it's a n n o d.
So as we said, Donna spelledbackground, uh, backwards.
Um, so it's a natural skincarewhen you're searching on
(34:26):
Instagram.
Um, and I always appreciate likeyour videos and, and different
kind of tips when it comes to,you know, kinda of using the
products but really, reallyappreciate your knowledge and
time and um, yeah, I'm lookingforward to washing my face as
you correctly.
Yeah, dunno how excited I'mabout everything coming out, but
(34:48):
yeah.
so no, thank you so much.
donna (34:53):
My pleasure.
Thanks for having
francene (34:55):
me Francine.
Anytime.
We'll talk soon, I'm sure.
donna (34:58):
Okay, great.
Bye.
Bye.
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