Ep 75 The Real Story Beneath The Red Sea - Exploring Theophanies and God's Power on Display - Real Bible Stories - A Bible Study Podcast

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Imran (00:00):
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(00:28):
Stories.
So it's been about a month nowand, oh, I guess, before we even
get into that, I'm your host,emron Ward.
We're joined by Pastor DavidSquires.

Pastor David (00:37):
Hello.

Imran (00:38):
And my wife and true love , true love.
I don't know.
Love, it's true love.
Selena Cruz, how does that work?
What's like true love?
Like Disney came up with thatTrue love is your love that's
truer than your love.

Selena (00:52):
What.

I have no idea.
You're right.
I was like my true love.

Imran (00:57):
I was like wait a minute.
That's like a concept thatDisney came up with.
God never said True love'sChris.
You're like true love, becauselove's love.

Yeah, God is love.

Imran (01:06):
And love would be true Anyway.

You love Selena.

Selena (01:09):
That was the whole point yeah, exactly, I love you too,
thank you, and we love PastorDavid.

Imran (01:13):
We do so much love from you.
Truly, agape love, I guess, islove for a pastor.
Yeah, man, all right.
So now that we're here andwe've introduced ourselves,
we've been going down thisrabbit hole of about four or
five weeks of story behind thestory with Pastor David, and so
the first four we did were allin the New Testament, and now

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we're going to switch things up.
We're going to go and jump intothe Old Testament and actually
jump into the book of Exodus andstart looking at the parting of
the Red.

Sea.
I hope that the recording picksup a little bit of the thunder
that is going on around us.

Imran (01:51):
Oh yeah.

We're talking about parting the sea in the
middle of a thunderstorm.

Imran (01:56):
Absolutely, and it was like really crazy right before
we hit go Like the lightningflashed brighter than the lights
in this room.

It looked like the lightning was coming into the
house for a good solid six orseven seconds, phenomenal, like
all right, all right, god, comeon.

Selena (02:09):
We're trying to worship you right now.

Imran (02:11):
We get it, we get it, we get it.
God got loud.
Yeah, exactly, it's like allright, all right, so we're going
to be in the book of Exodus,starting with chapter 14, right.
And then we'll also tie in abit of chapter 15 as you go
through.

So, before you get too serious, how old are you?
I'm 29 now, so Imran had abirthday.
I did Happy birthday.

Imran (02:35):
I did.
I barely celebrated it.
So my problem with my birthdayand it's not like a real problem
.
I was born a few days after theMarine Corps birthday and
actually Pastor David was bornon the Marine Corps birthday, so
he's a pastor of a church thatprimarily leads Marines.
I was born on November 10thwhich is super awesome, but my
birthday is November 14th, sotypically my celebration, my

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birthday, in my head is just thesame day as the ball.

The same day as the ball, yeah.

Imran (03:01):
I just get it all done there.
So when my birthday actuallycame on this Tuesday, it was the
day I woke up from my 96 andwent to work.
It was just another day of workfor me.

Selena (03:11):
Yeah, this is even.
Let me get on you another cake.

Imran (03:14):
Yeah, I didn't even want more cake because I had already
had cake at the ball.
It was good, I was alreadytaken care of by the Marine
Corps.
Yes, my wife bought me Snickers, and so we have that now.
And T and T.
She did make tea, she did takecare of us, because we we were a
coffee drinking podcast and nowwe're trying to be a tea
drinking podcast as we gothrough life.

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How's that going for us, it'sgoing for me, just fine.
How's it going for you, I?

Selena (03:39):
still drink coffee once or twice a week.

Imran (03:43):
Once or twice a week.
Yeah, I had to get my.
I had to get my union mandated.
Oh sorry, I don't have thewithdrawal symptoms anymore, so
that's a plus yeah those a fewweeks where she's just like
splitting headaches and, oh yeah, couldn't get out of bed
because of anything but um.

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But now we're doing a lotbetter, doing a lot better,
starting to see the benefits,waking up, working out more.
It's actually really crazy.
Like when, when your sleepschedule evens out without the
weird spikes of coffee youactually get more done.
It's interesting.

So what we're going to do today is we're going
to kind of read the story andgo over the story of the Red Sea
, just so that we're drawingthis out of the Bible, and then
we're going to jump into thearchaeology and I just want you
all to be so excited that thereis real factional.
This is not.
These stories of the Bible arenot mythical.
These are the stories of a trueGod acting in history and we're

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just going to like the earth isscarred by the movement of God.

Imran (04:43):
Absolutely.
So we're going to read throughthe whole of chapter 14, right?
And then dive into some of thenuanced concepts.
So I guess, Selena, you want toread the whole thing or you
want to break it up.
How do you want to do it?

Selena (04:54):
Wow, yeah, let's, let's do it.

Imran (04:59):
You want to break it up or you need to take it.

Well, just interrupt her as we go.
Oh my goodness.

Imran (05:03):
Now, let's not do that.
That'll get all derailed.
We'll get it one time through.
Let me know if you want me tojump in, selena.

Selena (05:08):
With thunder background noises.

Imran (05:10):
Yes.

Selena (05:12):
Then the Lord said to Moses tell the Israelites to
turn back.
And a camp near Pyro Roth,between McDowell and the sea.
There are two in camp by thesea directly opposite Baal Baal
Zayfan.
Pharaoh will think theIsraelites are wandering around
the land in confusion, hemmed inby the desert, and I will

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harden Pharaoh's heart and hewill pursue them.
But I will gain glory formyself through Pharaoh and all
his army, and the Egyptians willknow that I am the Lord.
So the Israelites did this.
When the king of Egypt was toldthat the people had fled,
pharaoh and his officialschanged their minds about them
and said what have we done?

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We have let the Israelites goand have lost their services.
So he had his chariot madeready and took his army with him
.
He took 600 of the bestchariots, along with all the
other chariots of Egypt, withofficers over all of them.
The Lord hardened the heart ofPharaoh, king of Egypt, so he

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pursued the Israelites who weremarching out out boldly.
The Egyptians, all Pharaoh'shorses and chariots, horsemen
and troops pursued theIsraelites and overtook them as
they camp by the sea near PyroHyroth, opposite Baal Zayfan.
As Pharaoh approached, theIsraelites looked up and there

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were the Egyptians marchingafter them.
They were terrified and criedout to the Lord.
They said to Moses Was itbecause there was no graves in
Egypt that he brought us to thedesert to die?
What have you done to us bybringing us out of Egypt?
Didn't we say to you in EgyptLeave us alone, let us serve the

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Egyptians.
It would have been better forus to serve the Egyptians than
to die in the desert.
Moses answered the people, donot be afraid, stand firm and
you will see the deliverance theLord will bring you today.
The Egyptians you see, todayyou will never see again.
The Lord will fight for you.
You need only to be still.

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Then the Lord said to Moses whyare you crying out to me?
Tell the Israelites to move on.
Raise your staff and stretchout your hand over the sea to
divide the water so that theIsraelites can go through the
sea on dry ground.
I will harden the hearts of theEgyptians so that they will go
in after them, and I will gainglory through Pharaoh and all

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his army, through his chariotsand his horsemen.
The Egyptians would know that Iam the Lord when I gain glory
through Pharaoh, his chariotsand his horsemen.
Then the angel of God, who hadbeen traveling in front of
Israel's army, withdrew and wentbehind them.
The pillar of cloud also movedfrom in front and stood behind

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them, coming between the armiesof Egypt and Israel.
Through the night, the cloudbrought darkness to the one side
and light to the other side, soneither went near the other all
night long.
Then Moses stretched out hishand over the sea, and all that
night the Lord drove the seaback with a strong east wind and

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turned it into dry land.
The waters were divided and theIsraelites went through the sea
on dry ground with a wall ofwater on the right and on the
left.
Do you want to continue?

Imran (08:50):
Yeah, I can.

Selena (08:51):
We are on verse 23.

Imran (08:53):
Yep.
So verse 23.
The Egyptians pursued them andall Pharaoh's horses and
chariots and horsemen followedthem into the sea.
During the last watch of thenight, the Lord looked down from
the pillar of fire and cloudand the Egyptian army and threw
them into confusion.
He jammed the wheels of theirchariots so that they had
difficulty driving, and theEgyptians said let's get away

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from the Israelites.
The Lord is fighting for them,against Egypt.
Then the Lord said to Mosesstretch out your hand over the
sea so that the waters may flowback over the Egyptians and
their chariots and horsemen.
Moses stretched out his handover the sea and at daybreak the
sea went back into its place.
The Egyptians were fleeingtowards it and the Lord swept

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them into the sea.
The water flowed back andcovered the chariots and
horsemen, the entire army ofPharaoh that had followed the
Israelites into the sea.
Not one of them survived.
But the Israelites went throughthe sea on dry ground and with
a wall of water on their rightand on their left.
That day the Lord saved Israelfrom the hands of the Egyptians

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and Israel saw the Egyptianslying dead on the shore.
And when the Israelites saw themighty hand of the Lord
displayed against the Egyptians.
The people feared the Lord andput their trust in him and in
Moses, his servant.

There are so many great lines in that Some of them
just funny.

Imran (10:18):
There's a great roast in there too.
That guy said was it becausethere were no graves in Egypt
that you brought us to thedesert to die, man?
That that growth was so goodthat that became the first
insult they draw?
They're like write that down,write that down.

Well, because Egypt was the land of graves.
And so to go.
Oh, you couldn't find a gravein Egypt, you have to bury us
out here.

Imran (10:41):
Oh yeah, I guess I did so right there.
It's a good roast, absolutely.

I also, like Moses says, just look at the faces of
your enemies, because you'llnever see him again.

Imran (10:51):
And then they turn around and it's like, oh, there they
are.

Selena (10:52):
Yeah.

Imran (10:54):
I love that.
Oh man.
Well, I'll say one thing rightoff the bat I did not know that
this happened at night.

Oh, that's not exciting To me, yeah.

Imran (11:03):
Yeah, when I learned this growing up, they did not
mention that this all happenedat night and when daybreak is
when the Israel saw the deadEgyptians.
Like the sea opened up at night, they crossed at night with
light on one side of the cloudand the other side was darkness
and confusion for the Egyptians.
So they were able to crosswithout the Egyptians being able

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to pursue until after they wereall across.
I was killed at night as well.

I always think of it.
In the past I thought of it ishappening in the daytime and I
was, you know just, it'sprobably because of that.
Details Like no movie everprojects this happening at night
.
Can you think of one that?

Imran (11:39):
shows us at night.
No, no, I don't think I've seena picture Film during the day.
I don't see a picture that doesit.

It's incredible there's light coming from this
pillar of fire.
It becomes a wall of fire Toone side.
It's shining down light To theother side.
That same wall becomes a wallof darkness and it stirs the
Egyptians into confusion,because they're just looking at
this solid black mist of what dowe enter that?
What do we do?

Selena (12:07):
That's great yeah, mm-hmm.

God got scary.
Psalm 77, verse 19, says yourpath led through the sea, your
way through the mighty waters.
Though your footprints were notseen, that God was the one that
led them right through the RedSea.
He took them through it like,hey, come on, guys, come on,
it's going to be okay.
Did you notice also, the angelof the Lord moves and he stands

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in front of them.
He was standing in front ofthem and then he moves behind
them and I thought that was cool.

Imran (12:42):
I'd like you to explain the angel of the Lord.
You've explained to me multipletimes, like in, like Bible
study, but I don't know ifyou've explained it here the
angel of the.

Lord is what we would call a theophany.
It is the physicalmanifestation of Yahweh, and so
it is when God comes down.
A theophany is anytime Godexpresses himself in a field.
It could be a burning bush.

Imran (13:03):
So Jesus himself would be a theophany for the time he was
here.

We would say that Jesus is the ultimate theophany
or expression of God, and sowhen the angel comes down, that
is a theophany.
The presence of God is there.
The presence of God was fullymanifest in Jesus Christ and
often we believe the angel ofthe Lord is Jesus himself,
expressed in the Old Testament,I see.
So Jesus is not an angel butthis is the theophany and is God

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himself, having come down toearth, Because when it was
written they didn't have thefull context of Jesus Christ.

Selena (13:34):
So when Jesus was baptized and I said, like God
came down like a dove.
That would be another theophany.

Yeah, the dove coming down would be a theophany
, in that case, of the HolySpirit.
So God, god expressing himselfin him.
And it happens throughout theBible.
God expresses himself on earthand in different forms.

Imran (13:53):
Yeah.

And so so, whether it's a dove, a fire often fire
burning bush.
All of those things are thingswhere God is expressing himself
there theophanies.
But the angel of the Lord againis the ultimate theophany,
because it has got expressinghimself in human form and we
would say the incarnation thatJesus God became flesh is the
fullness of the theophany.

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After that we don't see thathappen so much.

Imran (14:17):
I see.

You imagine what it was like standing.
I mean, we're sitting in arainstorm and there's thunder,
there's lightning and it isscary.
It's a little scary and we'rein.

Imran (14:28):
Yeah, we actually like pause like the flash was so
bright that we're just like allstopped and stared out the
window.
Imagine for the thunder.

The scene that you're out there, there is no
building to protect you andthere's the wall of fire on one
side blazing down.
There's the, there's thesaltwater Can you imagine as the
water itself parsed and youcould smell it, you can feel.
You can feel water moving andthe wind comes down, is blowing
through your hair and you've got.
Kids are like what is?

Imran (14:55):
that I something interesting.
This is like a kind of a uniqueexperience of me being able to
go over to that, that part ofthe world.
The desert is different there.
So the desert here still has alot of vegetation in it, so as a
lot of trees, so as a lot ofanimals, and all that when I was
over there.
And Kuwait and I don't know ifKuwait stuff is exactly the same

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as as Egypt, but what I'verealized out there is that the
desert is like there's nothingyou look out and the landscape
is extremely flat and there's novegetation for like for like,
hundreds of feet or miles,whereas there's a lot of
shrubbery in 29 palms the desert.
Really.
You can't really just driveyour truck off into anything
because you're going to have hita bunch of shrubbery that's in

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the desert, but out there waslike it's just nothing.
There's no covering.

There's no change in the elevation.

Imran (15:43):
It's just really fine thin sand and nothing grows in
it.
You can just look out.
So they probably saw theEgyptians from a ways.

They got scared.
I like that.
It says in 1429 that there wasa wall of water, a wall of water
.
They're right and they're left.
That's an architectural term.
When it says a wall of water,it's the same word used for the
walls of Jericho.
So your picture these kind ofgiant walls yeah, physical walls
on either side of them.

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Imagine what it was like tostep down into the water, into
the part of sea and you cansmell it.

Imran (16:16):
What was that?
That was?

1429.
1429.

Imran (16:20):
How did it read?
1429 went through the sea ondry ground with a wall of water.
Okay, I was like does it say awall holding back the water?
Was that different in my?
No, the wind somehow moves thewater in a way that it appears
to be like a wall holding itback.

You imagine what it would have smelled like you
can smell salt water, but juststep down into that.

Imran (16:45):
I've been in a hurricane, oh really.
Yeah, because I grew up in SouthFlorida, so I've been in
multiple hurricanes and Iremember we opened up the door
during Hurricane Wilma and thiswas really bad because we got a
lot of water in the housebecause the house.
It was like part of the reasonthe house flooded because we
opened the door and we struggledto close it back because of the
water.
But the wind is incredible,like trying to close your door

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when the wind outside is likeover 100 miles an hour is it?
And it's physically pushing thewater, because that's what
storm surge is.
I don't know if you understandthat when people say the storm
surge is two or three feet orwhatever, it's because the wind
is pushing that water onto theland and that surge is the water
being pushed onto the land.
So I can't even imagine howmuch force that must have felt

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like for the wind to push thatwater back like that.

So, speaking of the word surge, and what exactly
happened, look at chapter 15,verse 8.
It's going to be.
At least the ESV uses that sameword surge.

Imran (17:39):
The surging water stood up like a wall.
And then it says more.

It says the deep waters could gild in the heart
of the sea.
It tells us what happened, sothis water stay parted.
It describes it that they couldgild.
I don't know what congealing is.
I looked it up because I didn'tknow either.
To congeal is like it's liquidybut it's thicker.
It's just soupy.
It's like think jello.
It just kind of stands firm andwe shouldn't really assign a

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single physical property to it,because there's a miracle, so
there's something supernaturalabout it that we don't totally
understand.
But, something became liquidysolid out in those waters.
We don't understand what thatis, but water can change
properties, like it can be ice,it can be steam.

Imran (18:23):
It can be liquid.

In this case it congealed somehow out in that
sea and became rather thick.

Imran (18:30):
Yeah, that makes sense.
I like that.

There's something I really like about the entire
scene, and that is that theystep down into the water and
they find, or they step downinto the parted sea and they
find that the ground is hard,that it's that it's soft, it's
good to walk on.
The ground was was dry.
I always say that what I likeabout that is I would have

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forgotten to dry the ground.

Imran (18:56):
Like I was thinking.

I could think of big things like oh, we'll part
it and it'll congeal out there,and everybody has all these
ideas.
But God thinks of every littledetail, yeah, and he goes.
You know what?
When they step down there,they're going to sink, unless I
dry that ground.

Imran (19:09):
Yeah.

And I would just to me that's very personal.
But God doesn't just create thestars.
He cares about us down here in29 Palms.
He cares not just about makingsun, moon, moving the the
universe as he wants it.
He cares about a mom watchingher kids.

Imran (19:26):
So God that's very.

he dries the sea in front of you, All of the
details of your life.
Does God care about my car?
Does God care about my kids?
He cares about the littlethings, not just the big things.

Imran (19:36):
One of the one of the ways and you correct me if I'm
totally wrong off base, when I Ithink about this, but I
conceptualize God as one that isoutside of time, because they
say he's omnipresent, omnipotent.
It's like well the only way youcould really do that if you
existed outside of time and youcould really go into it at your
own will.
So I always think of God asexperiencing all time, at all

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time, because he's outside of it.
And so when people say, likeGod doesn't have time for me,
it's like, well, god has alltime to go into time and care
about every little part of it.
So, yeah, he takes some time toworry about the big stuff, but
also he has just as much time toworry about the small things,
because it's for him.
It's all.
I'm sorry, from our perspective, it's all happening all at once
.
From his perspective, he's justkind of and always will

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reaching in.

Yeah, so like yeah , we will always be linear
creatures and God stands abovetime, but how he experiences
that we don't know.

Imran (20:24):
Yeah.

But it's like the way my brain has all the time
that he wants.

Imran (20:28):
Exactly Because he can just reach into time at any
point and care about thesmallest things in my life I
never rushed.

Yeah, he goes.
Oh, I didn't have time to getthat done.
No, he had plenty of time,exactly.
You know Another thing Isaiah5110, I just like this.
Isaiah 51 says 10 says that Godmade a road for them in the
depths of the sea.
Imagine that, just like a roadin the Prince of Egypt, just
imagining what it was like youtalking about the Disney movie.

Imran (20:54):
Yeah, did you see it.
Yes, I saw it.

It wasn't Disney, that was DreamWorks.

Imran (20:58):
It was DreamWorks.
Yeah, was it.
Yeah, it was, do you?

remember when they parted the sea.
One of the things I loved aboutthat was they showed?

Imran (21:07):
the fish.
Tell me the Shrek people madethis yeah that's awesome, one of
those.

Come back, cameron .

Imran (21:12):
Come back come back to the Red Sea.
He went, shrek there it went,yeah, exactly.

I loved it that you could see that they had
whales, they had fish, they had.
I love that that they just hadall of that stuff going on.

Imran (21:27):
Yeah, but I do remember in that movie that the ground
wasn't dry.
I do remember in the movie thatit was kind of like little
puddles on the ground and theyprobably thought from a thematic
perspective, like of courseyou're going to be in the
puddles like no, no, no, no.
It says in there.
He dried the ground actually.

The bigness of it is rather overwhelming.
Think about this is acongregation, a group of people,
about a million people so, andthey have just plundered Egypt.
They've got stuff, they've gotanimals, there's children
there's old people, about amillion people About a million
people, we think went out ofEgypt into the wilderness, and
so this massive group of peopleold, young, everything is going

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out there into the wilderness.
I always picture the precociouslittle kid.

Imran (22:08):
The precocious little kid .

Probably you when you were a kid, probably, and
going along and he's got histhumb in the water going as they
walk along his mind, his mom's,like don't touch the wall.
Don't touch the wall, I would.
You're absolutely correct.
Yeah, this whole thing's likecave in on us because of you.

Imran (22:25):
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
I'm sorry.

We just read it.
What stood out to you?
What just kind of sweeps youaway over this?

Imran (22:35):
Over the entire story.

The fact that it happened at night.

Imran (22:38):
The fact that, like everything about how I
conceptualized this day, Ithought it was during the day,
and it probably is because ofhow Prince of Egypt portrayed it
.
Yeah because that was kind oflike my foundational exposure to
that story.
My understanding of Pharaoh'srelationship with with Moses is

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completely based off of how theDisney movie made it seem, and I
will say that that's like a gapin my own knowledge.
I haven't gone back and likeverified that it was not Disney.
Sorry that that Dreamworksportrayed everything as it was
in the Bible.
So it's like now I just know Ihave to go back and get some
more.

Imagine the light coming not from the sun, but
it's coming from that burningwall of fire, yeah, and it's
pouring down light as those seaparts and there's a little bit
of darkness.
You step down into the shadows.
It's scary to step into that.
That's interesting.

Imran (23:34):
There's wind, you can smell it.
Do you know the depth of theRed Sea?
Like what they would have gonedown and come out of.

Yeah, well, look at it when we do the archaeology
in just a moment, a little bitof that.
But it says there's a wall ofwater on either side.
So imagine it's above theirheads, they're going down into
something and it's deep and Idon't know.
I imagine water is making sound.
Water is not a quiet thing.

Imran (23:56):
When you're near water you can feel the power of water.
It says the wind swept up tomake it happen Like so the wind
is loud, water is loud Like.

That whole experience must have been insane
, god controls wind and wavesand when he wants to you can
direct that wind just right topart.
That doesn't happen all thetime.
So sometimes liberals will sayyou know the wind just kind of
part of the water.
Well, wind doesn't normally dothat.
And that's not enough for amillion people to walk through
it no and does not create a wallof water on either side, and so

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something miraculous is goingon here.
You know, the Bible says hecommands the winds and the waves
.
Can you imagine like, 2000years later, Jesus is in a boat.
There's wind, there's waves,there's a storm.
They come to Jesus and they godon't you care that we drown?
They wake him up.
He gets up, he stands up and heyells at the wind and the waves

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, quiet.
Knock it off and it all getsquiet, Almost like the wind and
the waves.
Remember him and go oh yeah,it's you.

Imran (24:52):
Yeah like sorry, sorry boss, we were just doing nature,
Right.

Right, robert Morgan in the Red Sea Rules
wrote some stuff that I justthought was phenomenal.

Imran (25:04):
You have my attention because Robert Morgan was the
name of my high school.
Oh, that's it.
Yeah, I was like Robert MorganEducational Center.

Selena (25:11):
We were the pirates, yeah, anyways, different,
different Maybe no idea.
The Israelites stalk, still andsilent, watch in unbearable
suspense as the old man raisedhis rod over the obstructing sea
.
An eastern wind suddenly gustedfrom heaven, tugging at the
beards and cloaks of themultitude, who were mostly

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skeptics.
They watched slack jawed as adown-draft intensified, hit the
water and slowly plowed throughthe sea.
The waves rose in foam and fury, forming translucent walls that
became an avenue for them andlater an ambush for their
enemies, a gateway to the oneand a graveyard to the other.

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It was the Old Testament's mostdramatic object, lesson one of
God's greatest miracles.

I just like the way he imagined it.
Can you imagine, like the wordsthat he plowed through the
water, that these people standback as the staff raises, the
water comes or the wind comesdown, just goes, and it's just
tearing the water open in frontof them?

Imran (26:14):
I like that.
The call back to verse 11, backto my greatest roast I've ever
read in the Bible.

What's it?
Because of the old graves inEgypt.
The sea is about to become agrave.

Imran (26:26):
But maybe it wasn't for you, but it was going to be for
someone.

Well, remember Moses, like look at their faces.
You won't see them again.
They're about to disappear fromearth because they're going to
the grave.
And you're not going to thegrave.
There's something called theWest Car Papyrus.
Yeah, papyrus, it's just adocument of an Egyptian legend
of Sonufru, and the Egyptianshave this legend about a board

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king.
His name was Sonufru and hishis priest, and he said name,
that's, I was going to let youtry that name Deja, deja.
There's too many consonants andnot enough vowels there.

Imran (27:04):
I don't know to put this together.
It's spelled D, j, a, d, j A, e, m, o, n, k, h, if you want to
take that down and try to figureit out.

So he says to his priest hey, what can I do to
find pleasure?
And so the priest says well,take a boat, row out, rowed by
many beautiful naked women.
So out he goes, his heart'shappy because he's on this boat
with all these naked women,until one of the rowers drops
her little fish shaped charminto the water and the king
calls on the priest.
He says what do I do?

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She dropped her, her charm.
Well, the priest uses his magicarts and through all these
magic scenes, incandescentincantations, the priest places
one side of the water, on theother, he folds the water and
they find the charm and theygive it back to him and put the
water back.
That's an Egyptian legend.
I think that this is answeringthat Egyptian legend.

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It's like God goes hey, thatthing you talk about in legends,
I can actually do it yourlittle pretend stories about
guys going out in rowboats withnaked girls.
Let me take a million people,I'll drop them down into the sea
.
I will part the sea.
I won't just fold it on itsside to grab a charm, I'll move
people through the sea and onthe other side I will drown you

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people because you thought Iwasn't real.
You believed all your stupidmyths.
I can knock your myths out ofthe water.

Imran (28:22):
Yeah, that's wild.

Isn't crazy.

Imran (28:24):
Yeah, this is an Egyptian legend.

Yeah, and so Ryan.
Ryan does this often, where heexplains that often the Bible is
responding to the legends ofthe world around it.

Selena (28:36):
Yeah.

And so it brings to reality the true God, whereas
there's all these fakes tryingto try and just speak.
Speak up.
Yeah, and so God answers thefakes.
Makes sense, yeah, and so we'regoing to talk a little bit of
archaeology that we were wantingto get to.
This is stuff.
I think that's kind of fun.

Imran (28:56):
I like it.
Yeah, you got to tie it.
Tie in the real with the real,the real Bible stories.
Exactly there it is.

He said the name, the, traditional site of the
Sinai Peninsula.
I think is wrong.

Imran (29:10):
And so traditional site.

So you will see it on a map where you'll have
Egypt.
Then there's a little spotcalled the Sinai Peninsula, and
often it's argued that thetraditional Christian argument
is that they went onto the SinaiPeninsula, barely crossed the
Red Sea up there in the middleportion, and spent the next 40

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years on the Sinai Peninsula.
I think that that's wrong.
The reason is the Bible saysthey left Egypt.
At that time what we call theSinai Peninsula was still
controlled by Egypt by itsmilitary.

Imran (29:43):
That was part of Egypt at that time.
That makes sense, so itcouldn't have been that site.
So then where would it have?

been the traditional site.
In fact the water would havebeen kind of shallow, so that
site of choosing Sinai there andin particular Mount Sinai, all
of that.

Imran (29:59):
That site was.
It is.

It's good.
It's good for tourists.
That site was chosen by Helen,who is Constantine's mother, in
the fourth century.
That's 400 years after Jesus,so long after it's based on the
dreams of Constantine.
In the sixth century amonastery was built there to
kind of confirm this is wherethe Red Sea was.
But I think we have thegeography completely wrong,

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completely wrong.
Mount Sinai, according to theBible, is in Arabia, and so if
you remember, in fact, there inMidian Arabia, when Moses goes
up on the mountain and heencounters the burning bush, god
says you'll come back to thismountain.
This is the mountain out herein Arabia that you're going to
come to.

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Paul said.
This is let me put Bible tothis Galatians 117 tells us that
Paul studied in Arabia.
Galatians 425 says that themountain is in.
Arabia.
So Mount Sinai is in Arabia.
That would suggest that whatwe're calling the Sinai

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Peninsula is what the Biblecalled in the Exodus story the
wilderness of sin.
So they only passed rightthrough it.

Imran (31:13):
They go straight down.

They go down to what we would call the Gulf of
Aquaba.

Imran (31:17):
At the Gulf of.

Aquaba.
That's where this part of thesea would have happened, the sea
parts, and they move from whatwe call the Sinai Peninsula or
the wilderness of sin.
They move across that, thecross, the Gulf of Aquaba, into
Saudi Arabia and it's there inArabia that they are there for
40 years and they encounterMount Sinai and all of that.

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That changes all of thetraditional locations, but it
also makes some things makesense.
It works with the Bible, withit being in Saudi Arabia,
according to what Paul said.
It works archaeologically,because there's no mountain that
perfectly fits the site.
And there's no evidence of amillion people having spent 40
years in that spot.

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It's one of the reasons peoplewill dig at this.
There's no evidence of this.
Well, yeah because we'redigging in the wrong spot.
Yeah.

Imran (32:06):
So what is found when people are digging at this spot
in Saudi Arabia, or even allowedto do that?

Yeah, they snuck in, and so there are all kinds
of documentaries out there nowabout things that people have
found.
There is a mountain therethat's burned.
On top there are rockformations that look like they
were set up to put gods on.
If you remember, they built agolden calf and put their god on
it?
Why would the mountain be burnedon top?
Because the Bible says that thefire of the Lord came down on

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Mount Sinai and that Mount Sinaiwas on fire, and when they got
up on top of this mountain,indeed, there was rock that had
been severely burned andscorched, and so I think that
Mount Sinai probably exists inSaudi Arabia, out in that, but
it's all blocked off, like thegovernment doesn't let you just
go out there.

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These are people that had tosneak in and find these things.

Imran (32:58):
That's wild, it is huh.
Do you know if that area isalso holy land for the Muslims
as well?

I do not think it is.
It's just a blocked offmountain Like we just don't.
We don't want you out theredigging around.
I got you, I'm not Okay.

Imran (33:11):
I'm out Like not in my kingdom.
Accidentally proving the Jewsare right.

What's more, what also I think is exciting the
water there is deep.
It's really deep, so you wouldhave to have a way.
If you cross it, how are yougoing to get across?
If you part the water, you'releft with a canyon.
Yeah, so we part of the water.
Well, great, who's going toclimb down in that?
Get across and climb back up?
Yeah, at the Gulf of Aquabathere's a land bridge that sits

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under the water.

Imran (33:40):
Oh, interesting.

And so if you part the sea, it just drops down
onto the land bridge and thenback up.
And they've gone and studiedthis land bridge.
In fact, it's about eight milesacross this land bridge, so it
would have been about an eightmile walk through the part of
sea.
If that is the.
The site about um, and and oneither side one who hikes a lot

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with the Marine Corps.

Imran (34:02):
That is very doable at night on especially if they have
oxen and horses and we wereable to, because I think they
left with a lot of that stuff.

Yeah, On each side there's a sheer drop of 5,000
feet.
And so this thing is literallya bridge, but remember that
would have been filled withwater.

Imran (34:17):
Yeah.

And so you're not looking down in the empty nets,
you're just looking over atwater on either side.
Yeah, the water acts kind oflike the guard.

Imran (34:23):
So the land bridge is eight miles wide, or it's eight
miles across Long, long, so itwould take it's eight mile walk
to get across it.
Got it?
Yeah, how wide is it Do youknow?

Yeah, it's about 900 feet, 900 feet wide.
Plenty of room to move a millionpeople across there in a single
night, yeah, so you got to getthem.
You got to get them out there.
There's some elements on theland bridge itself that I think
are pretty important.
When you, when they went downto the land bridge and they
started doing um dives out there, they found that there was art,
that there was limitedvegetation on it.

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There was no rock on this landbridge, um, there were no
mountainous formations.
In other words, you have a,you've got a clean path.
If it was dry, yeah, you justwalk straight across.
There also were no steep slopeson the land bridge.
It didn't go up and down andyou could easily move people
across it.
It was extremely flat, it wasbroad, uh, and the seabed is

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covered in sand and gravel andstuff like that.
Uh, leonard Moller, who was oneof the people that went out
there and studied it, he saysthis it means that if the water
was removed and the sand dried,there is solid ground to walk on
.
So the the land bridge is notcovered in mud, um, but a thin,
a thin layer of silt that justsits there.

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The that could be dried very,very easily.

Imran (35:46):
So I just thought that was amazing, absolutely Wow.

Um, the two sides are not even though, and so to
cross from one side to the otheris not even the.
The uh land bridge itself has agrade to it.
Now here's what's interestingthe grade is the same slope that
the American disabled people'srequirement is for any slope,
Like at the church, when we haveto build a slope it's the same

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grade that is required for thatthat that land bridge is, so you
can move old people across it,and they're actually moving at a
slope but it's a slope thatthey're sloping down and sloping
back out, but the gradient wasuh would have been fine for any
really anyone to stumble and allof that yeah.

Imran (36:25):
Isn't that exciting.
Their carts, their animals, wecould get across it easily.
That's good.

Interesting.
Let's make it even moreexciting.
Here's what they found on theland bridge, not just like, okay
.
They got out there and theysaid, yeah, it's doable, they're
silt there, it's it's not toosteep, it's not too rocky.
All of that is when they got onthe land bridge and they
started finding the coral.
Coral is a sea, um, like thesea animal that attaches to

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things.
The thing under the coral candeteriorate, but but the coral
retains its shape.
It retains the shape.
Uh, have you ever seen this?
I have.

Imran (36:58):
Cause Miami's big on coral and protecting them and
stuff like that.

There are on the land bridge.
There's coral encrusted chariotparts.
In fact, there's chariot wheelsall over this.
Um so it's as if, as if maybe.
Why would chariot wheels be in?

Imran (37:16):
the river, yeah, yeah.

Now the chariot wheel isn't there.
It's disappeared, but we've gotcoral in the shape of and you
can go look at this.
This is something that anybodysitting there right now can open
the web.
Google it and you're going tosee the same pictures we're all
looking at.

Selena (37:32):
That's why I actually wanted to ask you.

Imran (37:33):
So I'm glad you mentioned learning about this um a few
years ago when it all came out.
Yeah, exactly Like it was likeworld news.

Selena (37:40):
So I was like is that, is that like for real, for real.

So uh, there, there are horses on there.
On there there were piles ofhuman skeletons covered by coral
.
Uh, divers compared thedistribution of stuff all over
the land.
Bridge as a junkyard.
One person said it is like theaftermath of a disaster, which
is exactly what happened.
Farrell goes running down thereand it didn't say he just took

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the best chariots.
Wasn't it interesting when thethings that stood out to me is
it said okay, he took his bestchariot, so he goes.
Oh, and all the other chariots.
He's like 600 is best chariotsand all the other chariots I
know why it didn't say they tookall the chariots but, like I
think, at first they gave them.
Like, is that all we've got?
Okay, get all the chariots.
Get all the chariots that pullthem out of storage.
They got.

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This was devastating to Egypt.
They did, they lost theirpharaoh they lost their army
their officer core and they losttheir um, their fast moving um
military units the the chariot,all of which had gone chasing
down after the Hebrews, and aredestroyed on that land bridge.

Selena (38:43):
Do we know what happened to Egypt after that?
So they lost the pharaoh, theylost um, let's say I don't know
how many slaves that is, if it'slike a million people, which
contains families, um their army, like what happened to some of
it becomes complicated by whattimeline we're working with and
which pharaoh said.

So there's arguments theologically over who
was pharaoh at that time.
It looks like, um, this is thetimeline.
I think it's true.
It looks like the Egyptianswere actually ruled by a group
of people that were not evenEgyptians at that time, and so
the pharaoh was conquered at thetime.
Yeah, Um and then just, youknow, sometimes other people

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rise to power, yeah, and so thegroup of people that were there
were not the people look atHamas in Gaza.

Imran (39:28):
Yeah, Just the they literally came to power in the
last 20 years Did not existbefore 1987.
And then all of a suddenthey're there they're party.
Yeah, yeah, so stuff like thatdoes happen.

I grabbed.
Just reading that, I grabbedabout three things to see what
else you guys have, but threethings.
God just shows us in thispassage about himself.
So what we would say is thatevery, every miracle isn't just
there to wow us go.
Oh, wow, that's cool.
Is there to teach us somethingabout God.

Imran (40:00):
Yeah.

And you could probably come up with 30, 40, 50
things that this teaches usabout God, because it is um, it
is the most mentioned miracle inthe Bible.
So once this happens, it's notlike it's kind of forgotten
about.
I can think of miracles thatare mentioned once.

Imran (40:17):
This is one of those miracles that they sing about it
constantly, book after bookafter book.
They write about it the yeah,it's talked about Deuteronomy,
it's talked about in uh.
You said in Isaiah, you said inIsaiah.

Um, the New Testament's referred a lot of
revelation, uses imagery fromthe Red Sea, and so the imagery,
the verbiage, all of that.
This is the mega event of theOld Testament, this parting of
the sea and the crushing ofPharaoh's army.
Yeah, I love it.
Um, just some stuff I think itteaches us about God.
One is that God is salvific,that is, he has the power to

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save us supernaturally, and sothose that are lost, those that
are in desperate situations,satan pushing down on us, god is
the one who's able to save us.
It's important because first,corinthians uses the same
verbiage of the Red Sea for oursalvation.
Here's the idea before we weresaved, it's like we were in
Egypt.
Then God came to rescue us fromour sins and it's like he

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parted the sea and he took usthrough the sea.
The sea is like Christ's death.
Christ died for us and he nowcarries us through the sea, and
on the other side we findresurrection in a new life.
Our enemy is crushed in the seaand on the other side we step
into the promised land, which isthe newness of life.
Paul uses that same kind ofimagery for our salvation.

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So here's the idea the same Godthat could part the sea is the
God who rose from the dead, isthe God who can save us from our
sins.
So the Hebrews could do nothingto save themselves.
If, um, if you said to theHebrews, okay time, guys, to
part the sea, they'd be like we,we can't do that.
That's how your salvation is.

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If you go, hey, are you guysworthy enough to have the sea
parted for you?
No, you're.
You're a bunch of complainingidiots.
You're standing out there going.
We won enough graves in Egypt.
They were.
They were not deserving of thesalvation they were given, and
yet it was given to them by thegrace and mercy of God.
That's the way God found me.
I was unworthy and I wasincapable of serving myself.
A death sentence was on me andthe Egyptian army was coming

(42:17):
down on me.
But it wasn't the Egyptian army, it was the.
It was the fires of hell.
God, on his own, by his power,rescued me and brought me to the
newness of life.
I love that.
So I would say you know, god issalvific that he saved us.
Um.
For me, I think it's kind ofexciting that God cares about
details.
So just go back to that dirt.

Imran (42:38):
God.

God cares.

Imran (42:41):
God cares about you.
For me, it's actually the thelight on one side and the
darkness on the other, becauseit's like they didn't say like,
and they were.
They walked you with the lightof the moon, they yeah, and by
the starlight they were able toget across.
Like the stars shine twice asbright that night.
All right, it was like no Godprovided the light and provided
the confusion on behalf of theEgyptians, so that the time was

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given for the For the Egyptiansto go, sorry for the Jews to go
across.

You just made me think of something that if you
were to go and draw even if,let's say, it's a full moon what
you're gonna do?
That when you step into thewater is it's like stepping into
a hole.
Yeah, you're gonna go down intoa hole.
So God gives them somethingbright.

Imran (43:22):
That's close and that's the, the blazing fire yeah and
that's just like fascinating tome and it also just shows.
Actually it said something likethe cloud went From being
before them to be behind them.
All right, and it's like okay,so they were already being led,
that's right by this, by God.
So, and then God is like, oh,sorry, I put this, see here.

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And he goes and, you know,moves it out of the way for him.

He moved well, but the but the pillar of fire
itself moves from moving infront of them to show them where
to go, so it moves behind them,and now it becomes an enemy to
their enemies.
Yeah and so it's light to oneside and it's just.
Can you imagine God projectingdarkness?
He projects this pure blackdarkness of the Egyptians are
completely terrified by.

Imran (44:06):
Mm-hmm.

I would say there's a side of God you do not
want to encounter Absolutely.
There is God's love, god'smercy, but there is a side of
God that to the wicked they willencounter.
That you're like, I do not want.
I do not want that.

Selena (44:20):
I mean, that's what verse, that's how it ends, verse
31.
And when the Israelites saw themighty hand of the Lord
displayed, the Egyptians, thepeople, fear the Lord and put
their trust in him and in Moses,his servant.

Imran (44:34):
Isn't that beautiful yeah yeah, unfortunately, a lot of
times you have to get knockeddown before you realize who's
actually in charge.
Yeah, I've.
It's so funny.
I feel that with some of myMarines sometimes is one of the
Many hats I wear as the Marineswaiting disposition platoons of
the Marines that are Gettingseparated from the Marine Corps
for some reason.
A lot of times is for likepatterns of misconduct, and it's

(44:56):
like I've had to do a lot ofwork too with the carrot and
stick of like I can be good toyou but I will also crush you.
You will not step on like onwhat I'm trying to build here,
because I'm trying to build aculture where you all taking
care of each other and we'removing forward in unity and I'm
not gonna let your you be agrenade thrown into a bolt, a

(45:16):
china bull shop, and you're justgonna blow up all the things
that we've been building here.

Yeah, I won't let you do that exactly.

Imran (45:21):
It's like.
I will show you this the stickI can't hit you with, but I will
also offer you the carrotbecause I want you to be on this
side.
Yeah yeah, so trust me.

Isn't it interesting also that God is
unique and one of the thingsemphasized in the song that
comes after is the uniqueness ofGod.
Who?
Chapter 15, verse 11, who islike you, oh, yahweh among the
gods?
Who is like you?
Majestic and holiness, awesomeand glorious deeds doing wonders
.
There's a lot of emphasis atthe Red Sea that there is no one

(45:54):
like God, so he's not a createdbeing.
In fact, to compare some to theother gods, meaning the fake
gods, there's all these fakegods, but none of them could
even come up with a legend.
That's as often that saysawesome as the truth of the real
God.

Imran (46:10):
Yeah, I definitely agree with that.

Another thing I noticed I think this story
emphasizes is that God is justand it's what you were just
saying, emron, that God onlyputs up with evil for so long
before he shatters it.
Yeah, and so he gave Pharaohchance after chance, after
chance after chance, and then itfinally says the Pharaoh's
heart was hardened and he wentdown after the people and God
said alright, that's enough, I'mgonna kill you now.
You got 10 plagues, you got 10warnings.

Imran (46:35):
I always thought it was fascinating, the the fact that
God also wanted to make a point,because to us, to a certain
level, my the way I read this,is that God took up, took away
some of the autonomy of Pharaoh.
This is God hardened his heart.
God hardened his heart, which,hardening his heart, push him

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towards a specific decision thathe would make and that he would
bring his people out there,that he would chase after them.
And it's like during theplagues, like he hardened
Pharaoh's heart.
So and and that allowed God toshow his power in Egypt, before
he ultimately Allowed Pharaoh tomake the decision to send them
away jump through that a littlebit, because that you bring up
something that's reallyimportant.

I think that God hates a faker, and so Pharaoh
was full of fake repentance,pretending to worship God oh,
I'm sorry.
Oh, and there comes a pointwhere God hardens the heart that
he will bring forth what'struly in the heart.
And so it's not that God putsevil in Pharaoh's heart, but he
squeezes Pharaoh so hard thatthe evil in Pharaoh will come
out.
And so go ahead, show us whoyou are.
That way, god has provedrighteous in his judgment.

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So the hardening of Pharaoh'sheart is the forcing of Pharaoh
to be Pharaoh Interesting.
Carry it out.
You have to do it.
God allows us to some degreedown here and allows the nations
of the earth to carry out theirevil, so that God is righteous
in his judgment on that evil.
But we have to do it with God.
But we have to do it.
We've got to carry it out inorder for God to show us look,

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this is what you were doing.
Yeah, it was there all along.
Pharaoh's heart was evil andagainst the people, but every
now and then he'd come out, he'dget scared, he'd fake it.
And God goes no, we're faking.
Let's bring out what's reallyin your heart.
Either really repent or I willshow people who you really are.
And I think that's what thehardening of Pharaoh's heart
means.

Imran (48:18):
That's interesting.
I never heard that before, butthat makes sense.
I like it I do have a question.

Selena (48:23):
I guess more If we do have the history of it, or maybe
I just completely missed it.
How did the Jews Becomeenslaved to the Egyptians, like
where they conquered people?

Imran (48:35):
Oh, they were getting conquered.
Left and right they in underJoseph.

Joseph brought his family there.
And so there were only about 70people when they started in
Egypt.
So they were given homes, allthat.
The only thing is they growreally fast and so they were
this expanding nation within anation.
Imagine it's kind of.
Sometimes what America scaredof is the pace at which we pick
up foreigners and go whoa, whatare we doing?

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But imagine an ancient nationsuddenly realizes we have a
nation inside our nation and ifthis nation rises up against us,
they could destroy us and theycould take over the, the
monarchy.
The result was that they beginto enslave these people and and
make them subservient to them tocarry out their building
projects, to clean their homes,to so they have been guest of

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honor.
Then, once the nation grew andexpanded, they became slaves
until God would remove them fromthere and give them, bring them
back to their land.

Selena (49:31):
So it kind of became like you Because, oh man, so so
they came in through Joseph,yeah.

Joseph brought his family there.
His family grew.
This is now by hundreds ofyears His family grew.
Once his family grew, theEgyptians got scared and
enslaved them, and Once theywere enslaved, got to remove
them.

Selena (49:52):
So the Jews were, in that sense I conquered by the
Egyptians, but the Egyptianswere also conquered by another
nation.

But we wouldn't really say conquered.
They were oppressed by the, theEgyptians.

Imran (50:02):
You could say we do that, we did that for a long time.
Like you could look at like theJim Crow laws, so even after
the slaves were freed and by thelaw oh, this is actually
perfect example of that.
So like right after the CivilWar and right after all the
slaves were freed in the south,the Black men were given like

(50:26):
full citizenship, or Minoritymen were given full citizenship
and they were able to vote.
If you go back and you look ata lot of those elections that
happened within maybe the first20 to 30 years after the Civil
War ended, a lot of the stateCongresses so they're like House
of Representatives and theirSenate and their Governors and

(50:50):
stuff were black because themajority of the population was
black.

And so then we are a lot of these, exactly, so
it's like now we need torestrict there.

Imran (51:01):
We need to make it so that, well, you need to be able
to read in order to vote, okay,well, you know you need to be
able to.

You need to own land, own land in order to vote
you need.

Imran (51:08):
And so these and those Jim Crow era laws started
getting layered on top, becausethey're like whoa, whoa, you're
really, you're taking away ourpower.
We now, we need tosystematically oppress and
restrict your independence sothat so they weren't back to
being slaves, but they weren'talso equal and free in the same
way.
At least and I'm not sayingthat's exactly what happened in

(51:29):
but I'm saying that stuff likethat happens Became slaves, and
then yeah, they were freed andin their freedom they started to
vote and then that started todramatic, dramatically change
the government and If you lookat this, at the, at the history,
you have this big influx ofblack people in In congressional

(51:51):
seats it being elected intooffice and then the steep
drop-off and then, and then,absolutely none being elected
again During that Jim Crow eraand then, after like the 30s and
40s, when it's sorry, like the1560s, when it's all getting
challenged, then you startseeing that increase again after
it's the fear of the people.

What do we do when we have another people among us
?

Imran (52:12):
and it is the same it happened in America.

Gracious, we brought people over here.
Then got scared oh no, we'vegot people over here that aren't
us.
Yeah you know?
And that, what if theyoverthrow the power structure,
which is exactly what yeah, cuzI mean you got in.

Imran (52:26):
The same argument Was with the Native Americans, cuz
it's like, well, we will bringthem in, but no, but they have
to get.
They have to learn to speakEnglish, they have to accept our
religion, they have to go toour schools.
They have to give up theirthough, they have to live in
like American style houses, andthey wanted to oppress their
culture and Make them moreEuropean.
They couldn't, they didn't wantto accept, they didn't want,

(52:49):
like America's become more likethe natives.
They wanted the natives tobecome more like this concept of
America, or become moreEuropean.

All this right so well in a book I just read
called killers of the flowermoon.
It's a movie right now.
I read the book and it's sofunny.
Nobody who says this is comedy.
But I'm telling you this isfunny the.
Osage Indians are driven toOklahoma where they're gonna be
confined by the government ofthe United States.
So they're given land andthey're given a treaty.

(53:15):
But, wouldn't you know it, thatgovernment accidentally gave
them land that was on top of oil, and so like, oh and so the
Osage start getting incrediblywealthy and then they start
dying off and I'll leave the.
I'll leave that plot line there.
I think that's so funny, like,like they tried to restrict me.
Oh, we gave them the land withthe oil.
Yeah but it's often the problemof a nation, of what are you

(53:37):
doing?
We have another nation insideof us.
It scared the Egyptians andthey tried to oppress them and
you still see it happening todayto this very day that same
Stuff that's being describedthere is not unusual, not
uncommon.

Imran (53:48):
You can see it with the, with the Uighur Muslim nation in
China, where they make asignificant amount of the
minority population, and China'slike no, no, hon, hon Chinese
is the only Chinese that matters, and they're suppressing their
culture, their accusation ofsterilizing the men and the
women so that they can'treproduce, and and regulating

(54:10):
them to only certain parts ofsociety so that they're not
going to Impact the Han Chineseconcept that they're pushing.
So Actually, the Han Chinese isthe same thing to the Taiwanese
that were in Taiwan before theHan On Chinese went over to
Taiwan and established thatgovernment.
So that's a whole thing to thehistory there's fascinating as

(54:31):
well, because there were alreadypeople there on Taiwan.

So our very long answer to how did they get there
?
They came there by Joseph.
They came when there was afamine.
They found food in Egypt andthey found some rest and they
found hospital Hospitalitybecause Joseph was running their
government that extended for aperiod of time.
But once Joseph died, a newPharaoh comes who's scared of
these people, okay, and his onlything is it's hard to oppress

(54:55):
them because they keep growingso fast.
God keeps blessing them and heblesses the fertility Hmm of the
Hebrews that they just are ableto have incredible numbers of
children, Mm-hmm.
And so this nation just explodesinside the confines of Egypt
yeah, because it was before this.

Imran (55:11):
They also had killed all the, all the babies.
Right, there was a good try.

So they're always trying to think of how do we get
rid of this population?
Well, maybe if we killed allthe male babies we could cut
them down, or maybe if we yeah.

Imran (55:22):
Mm-hmm, so it happens.

It's still happening stuff like that,
that's it most important thingwe want you to know well, most
important thing is that there'sa great God who saves you.
But I want you to know thestories of the Bible are not
just stories that we make up,tell our kids and feel good
about Again.
The earth is scarred by themiracles of God.
The earth is scarred by aworldwide flood.
The earth is scarred by this seathat parted and the Landbridge

(55:48):
is there, the, the coralencrusted chariot wheels are
there the evidence lays allaround us that A mighty God has
moved among us, and he's no myth, yeah and I yeah, absolutely,
and I love that.

Imran (56:00):
And I want to hang on one of the points you made.
The evidence lies.
I'm all around us.
All right, do the work, gostudy, go read your Bible.
I was so as we read through ittoday, I realized that you know
that my understanding of theparting of the Red Sea was from
a DreamWorks movie, and I hadnever updated that that
understanding, and so I know Ihave some work to do personally

(56:23):
to read through some more ofExodus and make sure I
understand what actuallyhappened, because I don't want
to just have someone else'sdramatization of the truth.
I need to have the truth andhave the truth first, and so
make sure you're starting withwith that.
So, before you even go in andstart diving down the Google
webs, read the Bible, verifywhat's in there, and then make

(56:43):
sure that your research is iscentered around Making sure that
the Bible is true, because theBible will prove itself to be
and every time I look at chariotwheels on the golf of Aqua.
But yeah, there you go chariotwheels in the Gulf of Aqua, but
because that's where I'll beafter this, all right.
So thank you so much, pastorDavid for that episode and that
was a great discussion.
That's a lot of fun.

(57:04):
So thanks for coming on.
We have maybe one more of thesebefore we transition, so we'll
we'll see how many more of thesewe can.
We can drag out of him.

We're having fun.
We're having a fun story behindthe story, yeah so thank you
all so much for tuning in.

Imran (57:18):
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So not baptized.
We'd love to baptize youabsolutely.
First you get saved.

Imran (57:42):
Yeah well, you have to get saved first.
You have to go through thatprocess.

I'll stop you're wrapping the episode up and I
got excited about.

Imran (57:49):
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