January 22, 2024 • 38 mins
Embark on a journey through the ages as Pastor Ryan Brown, Selena, and I untangle the complex story of David and Goliath. Prepare to see this biblical clash from a technically accurate perspective, as we scrutinize Goliath's armor for vulnerabilities and lay bare the sophisticated combat principles that David masterfully applied with his sling. Our discussion illuminates the extraordinary hypothetical: what if Goliath had fought alongside Yahweh instead of against Him?
Our conversation probes deeper as we assess David's arsenal, emphasizing the sling's lethal efficiency that rivals today's military technology. We marvel at the skill of left-handed slingers from the tribe of Benjamin, and how the selection of smooth river stones played a pivotal role in David's victory. By dissecting the advantages that David had over the lumbering Goliath—speed, tempo, and a shrewd mindset—we honor the strategic prowess that earned him triumph without a blade. Witnessing David's calculated confidence gives us a profound appreciation for the meticulous preparation that precedes any form of success.
Reflecting on the aftermath of the battle, we explore the divine justice meted out to Goliath, linking it to the fate of Dagon before the Ark of the Covenant. The conversation branches out to the themes of Exodus, emphasizing the importance of living responsibly in accordance with divine will, and how casting aside false idols paves the way for genuine fulfillment.
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Imran (00:04):
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all grown to love.
Hello and welcome back to RealBible Stories.
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I am your host, emron Ward, andthis week we're continuing our
discussion with Pastor RyanBrown and my wife Selena into
the real story behind David andGoliath.
If you haven't listened to thefirst episode where we talk
about this so it's last week'sepisode I highly recommend you
pause now, go back and listen tothat episode, because there is
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so much context that will makethis next part make so much
sense.
It has been such an awesomejourney going through this with
Pastor Ryan and I want you toget it from the beginning.
But if you've already listenedto that, I hope you enjoy the
second part of this discussionabout David and Goliath.
Thank you for joining us today.
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Enjoy.
Pastor Ryan (01:08):
A very astute young child of mine, when we were
talking about this, asked a veryfair question that God not love
Goliath?
You see what I'm saying.
So what was it about Goliaththat essentially condemned him
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to this feat?
He was, but everybody was, andin fact worshiping other gods is
a mocking of him, right?
Like, really, if anything, yousee a passionate zeal within
Goliath, like Goliath would havebeen a great ally to have on
the side of God's army.
Yeah, I imagine that Goliath aszealous and passionate for
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Yahweh as he was for Dagon,right?
So there's a piece with thatand this is why the battle kind
of matters, yeah, Okay.
And there's cool things withthis because I also think this
indicates a fight went down away that most people don't
envision, or what you don't see.
A Christian art kind of depictsthis a certain way.
So I want to kind of talk aboutthe battle, and it's also just
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fun for us because, like beingmore fighters, being a combat
vet, like the substanceintrigues me, right.
Yeah, so one of the firstthings I want you to kind of
think about and, selena, you hadread it in the beginning, but
it talks about his height, right.
Then he says he has a bronzehelmet on his head and wore a
coat of scale armor of bronze onhis legs.
He wore bronze grieves on abronze javelin was slung on his
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back at a spear shaft that waslike a weaver's rod with an iron
point.
The shield bearer went ahead ofhim, right?
So he has a shield.
So the whole point is that ifyou just were to picture
Goliath's armor, right.
His equipment.
What you get a sense of interms of at least in terms of
ancient combat, there would haveonly been two weaknesses is in
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his entire get up, okay.
Okay, now one the bronze helmet, but it came down over the top
of covering his forehead,probably going down the bridge
of his nose.
Imran (03:06):
okay, covering his right covering his cheeks, right, okay
, so.
I mean I just, form fitted tohis head, like forged to fit him
Right.
Pastor Ryan (03:15):
So your weaknesses would be this his eyes, his
mouth.
I want me to add a third one inthere, and it would have been
at certain points, as he'swalking his knees right.
Because you got the bronzesheets there that as you walk
they have to bend.
You know, allowing for thebending of the knee, yeah.
Imran (03:33):
So it would have exposed your would have exposed the top
of your knee cap.
Selena (03:36):
Well, wouldn't that be for like your elbows too, like
your joints?
Pastor Ryan (03:39):
It could have been yeah, right, but the point is is
that there wasn't a whole lotof the elbows covered by the
shield.
Imran (03:44):
Right Got the big shield.
Pastor Ryan (03:46):
And if you even look at the big shield right,
you're holding it like this.
That's really coming up andblocking pretty much your mouth.
So all you would see is hiseyes on the top.
Yeah Right, with, like you said, his elbows would be covered
too.
You've been coming even withover the top with his spear.
Imran (04:02):
So specifically, it would actually be that spear holding
knee, because if he's holdinghimself with the shield and then
he removes the shield topresent the spear, he's going to
expose one of those legs.
Pastor Ryan (04:14):
Not necessarily because he could also strike
from over the top.
Imran (04:16):
From over the top?
Yeah, I guess.
So then he's exposing you alittle bit more of the face.
So all that is very fewvulnerabilities, right, like
where are you going to hit?
Right, like a Dark Soulscharacter, just straight up Dark
Souls enemy.
Right, how do?
Pastor Ryan (04:26):
you fight this guy and hence everybody's feared.
Right Like, okay, I have theequipment and, but you, but this
guy is like armor, there's veryfew weaknesses and he's big.
I can't, I can't like overpowerthis guy.
David, being completely awareof his fact, right, like that
dude's huge Right, and look atwhat he's wearing.
He chooses a combat strategy,what we call proxemics.
Imran (04:49):
Right.
Pastor Ryan (04:50):
So you know, a lot of people always ask like why?
Why does the American militaryuse like the M4s?
Why do we use a 556 caliber?
Imran (05:00):
Right.
Pastor Ryan (05:00):
Yeah, right.
And because one thing we knowabout the M4s and I could
personally attest to is if youdo not keep that rifle
immaculate, that thing willstart jamming.
Right Like whenever, like aJamaican song.
Like it is Like I remember,like when, like when I was a
platoon sergeant in Afghanistan,we would get back from a fight
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and there's always like standardthings you have to do when you
got back.
Selena (05:25):
Right.
Imran (05:26):
You need to before you go to sleep Before you do anything
.
Pastor Ryan (05:28):
Yeah, what I had them do, though, I said your
first responsibility gettingback, you're going to go drop
your gear, you're going to getwater, you're going to meet over
by the debrief area and you'regoing to bring your weapons
cleaning kit, and I had themcleaning their weapons as we
debriefed.
Yeah, because the last thing Iwould want is in the middle of
that debrief, after a fight, weget hit again.
Imran (05:45):
And you have to go engage it and now things are not
working.
Selena (05:48):
Right, yeah, yeah.
Pastor Ryan (05:49):
So it's like why do we use this Right?
Because when you look at likesomething like the Russian AK-47
or 74, that thing will shootwith.
Pkms, it'll shoot with.
you can immerse it in there mudand it will still fire, like.
That thing is very agile inthat regard.
It's a bigger caliber, right,so but why do we use it?
Because the 556, beyond havingcertain tumbling effects that it
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has on impact like this, is awhole.
I'm probably getting too muchinto the weeds on this at this
point, but as I started it, ifyou imagine, you imagine
dropping two rocks right into,like a swimming pool.
Yeah Right, If I drop one rockyou see a kind of a ripple in
the water.
Now, if I drop one rock andthen two another rock right
after it, right like maybe splitsecond between each other?
Selena (06:33):
Yeah.
Pastor Ryan (06:34):
As they go, that one ripple goes, the other
ripple goes and they crash intoeach other.
Imran (06:37):
Yeah.
Pastor Ryan (06:38):
Right.
So, when they interact.
That creates this over pressurewithin the body.
That actually creates moredamage than just a straight.
You know, shooting straightthrough, shooting straight
through that like a 762 doesRight.
So there's that advantage, butthe primary reason that they go
with the 556 is proximity.
Selena (06:56):
Mm, hmm.
Pastor Ryan (06:56):
AK-47 has a max effective range of about 450
meters.
Yeah, the M16 when we had itwas about 620.
Mm hmm, the M4 is now about 550, but that means that I have
about a hundred meters Morestandoff Standoff that I'm able
to shoot and hit you firstbefore you're able to shoot and
hit me effectively Does thatmake sense, yeah, so.
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Proximix is always a thing inwarfare.
What's interesting is thatDavid looks at this fight.
He looks at okay, I cannot getin a close battle with him.
Yeah, because if I get in closeenough because of his stature,
he, I give him the Proximix.
Mm.
Hmm, he has a longer spear, hehas longer arms, he has longer
height, he's more, yeah.
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So I have to get very, veryclose, very quickly into Goliath
, to fight him in close range,and I better not miss in that
first strike because after thathe's going to overpower me and
I'm done.
Imran (07:48):
That's a big thing in boxing.
It's like because, obviously,like with, like professional
boxers, they know their armlikes and all this stuff.
If you're a smaller boxer, yourwhole goal is to get in within
the reach so that you can applyyour power before the enemy can
generate their power.
Because if, because they canreach out further than you, if
you're not getting in close andthey're going to generate that
power and get that full, fullreach punch into you before and
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you can't even defend it, yeah,all right, you can't counter it
without getting closer.
Pastor Ryan (08:15):
So um what does David opt for A sling right?
Now when when I remember beingtaught as a kid and maybe I
wasn't, they never specified sobecause I'm a kid, my what my
mind immediately went to was asling shot from like Dennis the
menace.
Imran (08:32):
Yeah, like the Y shape with the rubber, right, you know
rubber wasn't invented yet.
Yeah, right, but like that'swhat you're thinking right,
literally not possible for themto use that.
That's what I always thought of.
Pastor Ryan (08:41):
David using as a sling, right?
Yeah, Um, that's not the case.
What David chose was in termsof a sling.
It's like an overhead slingthat you swing around really
fast.
Imran (08:51):
And it was, it was a legitimate weapon yeah.
That is a real thing that weused to do and actually I think
it's judges chapter Great.
Youtube videos out there, bythe way, of people that have
mastered that in the modern day.
If you want to see howdevastating this weapon is like,
you can look it up.
Pastor Ryan (09:03):
Judges chapter 20 actually talks about 700
slingers from the tribe ofBenjamin who were so good.
It says they're all left-handedand they, they could hit the
sense.
I forgot the term it uses, butessentially he says that you
know it could hit.
They could hit any point thatthey wanted with these things.
Wow, so that gave him proxemics, right, that was his first
problem, so that was the weaponhe chose.
(09:24):
You look at that as like thefirst rifles, like that's how
effective they were.
Imran (09:28):
Okay, so let's like yeah, you can get into it.
Get into it, yeah, you got it,you got it.
Pastor Ryan (09:31):
Okay, so that was the other misnomer, right Is
that?
I always kind of thought it wasthe swing, like Dennis, the
menace and you're talking aboutthese little pebbles right and
they're not.
You're talking about a baseballto softball shape stone.
Imran (09:43):
It actually says in there .
He went and got these specificlike river rocks.
They went down to the water.
Now, why do you think he wentto the river rocks?
Pastor Ryan (09:49):
Smooth Because they're smooth.
Imran (09:51):
Aerodynamic.
God's already prepping for you.
Pastor Ryan (09:53):
Right, that's how because they're smooth, they're
aerodynamic, which made him moreaccurate, right?
So that's what I'm saying Iwould this whole battle just
intrigues me from that but itgets the five smooth stones.
Imran (10:06):
They're all you know, saul probably had slingers Like
that's probably a.
He probably had people that didthis, like I'm sure they
weren't surprised that Davidrolled up there with a sling,
like that this had to besomething.
No, no, no, nobody was nobodyquestioned With a question.
Pastor Ryan (10:20):
Was him going out there without armor?
Nobody questioned the weapon hechose.
Selena (10:23):
Right.
Pastor Ryan (10:24):
That's made sense to them, right?
Especially if they're lookingat the statue of David, right?
Yeah, so let me read, becausethis is what it says.
So as the Philistine movedcloser to attack him, david ran
quickly towards the battle lineto meet him.
Selena (10:37):
So Wait, where are?
Pastor Ryan (10:39):
we at.
Oh, I'm sorry, that was a verse48 of chapter 17.
So there were standards to thisright.
If you're going to do achampion versus champion, it's
just kind of one of thosehonorable rules, right, there's
a battle line where you go meetto fight in between right the
battle Everybody should see.
Okay, so one disadvantage thatGoliath has compared to David
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because David's not weighed downthis is not only does David get
proxemics, but he gets what.
Imran (11:03):
Speed, Speed right or in a moment.
What is it?
Momentum?
What is the word we use?
Pastor Ryan (11:08):
Well, momentum is kind of a combat term to discuss
, like maintaining a pace.
Imran (11:13):
Tempo.
That's what I'm looking for,because that's relative speed,
speed relative to the end, RightTempo.
Pastor Ryan (11:17):
So but what it says is that he used one.
He saw his disadvantage interms of armor, so he countered
that with proxemics, with asling.
The second thing he did was heused his speed to rush to the
battle line To increase histempo.
Why rush to the battle line?
Because it's taking Goliathlonger, because he's weighed
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down and he has all the gear.
So it says as he's movingtowards him right, slowly,
slower, david has a window thathe is able to engage, in terms
of proxemics, goliath, beforeGoliath can engage him.
This is why tempo is soimportant in warfare.
You see what I'm saying.
So he rushes out there to startslinging this thing right Now.
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Exploit, exploit, exploit.
Reaching into his bag andtaking out a stone, he slung it
and struck the Philistine on theforehead.
The stone sank into hisforehead and he fell face down
on the ground.
Okay, so let's stop there,because here's another misnomer,
I think, and every bit ofChristian art and every bit of
Now, just keep in mind thesestones that are about softball
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size.
Yeah, what does that mean whenyou hit brass?
Well, when you hit brass andforth to be sunken into your
forehead.
Think about he's big.
No, I want to make somethingvery clear, so I want to give
you this little Hold on realquick.
Imran (12:38):
So well, we were moving, oh sorry.
Well, we were getting ready togo home for our little Christmas
leave.
We were helping our friendsmove and we were tensioning oh,
I was tensioning a ratchet strapin the back of his moving band
and Selena, in her love andgrace, came up behind me to ask
me a question and just as shedid so, the tension snapped on
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the ratchet strap and that strapcame flipped behind me.
So this is a metal maybe oneand a half pound hook on this
strap and it flipped around andit actually snapped Selena in
the forehead and we had to go tothe ER.
She got a little bandage on herface and all that.
Selena (13:13):
And cleaned up.
Great memory.
Imran (13:17):
So you actually have very recent experience of a blunt
object hitting you at somedecent speed.
Pastor Ryan (13:25):
Well, let's talk about this, okay, because it
gets a little bit more.
I think it could mean theforehead, like what we think of
forehead, right, I'm justhighlighting that that was like
a pound and a half, like this,like River Rock hitting you at
much higher speed.
Imran (13:39):
Like what's that doing to you?
Pastor Ryan (13:40):
Probably didn't feel good, right.
So I want to note one thing,though, okay, because if you
keep reading, it says so Davidtriumphed over the Philistine
with a sling and a stone,without a sword in his hand.
He struck down the Philistineand killed him Verse 51 though
David ran and stood over him, hetook hold of the Philistine
sword and drew it from thesheath.
After he killed him, he cut offhis head with the sword.
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So essentially, he knocks Daviddown, but then steals David's
or knocks Goliath down.
He steals Goliath's sword andbeheads him.
Selena (14:14):
Yeah right.
Pastor Ryan (14:14):
That's how he eventually kills him.
So the point I'm trying to makeis this One an oddity that
always never made sense to me,which is why I studied it and I
found some cool things, but asoftball sized stone.
Now you could sling that stone.
They set on average aboutbetween 60 and 80 miles an hour.
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Okay, but that's still not fastenough to get a stone that big
lodged into somebody's head.
It's enough to maybe hit themand knock them out, that's for
sure, but not necessarily for itto get lodged, like the text
says.
It got lodged In the foreheadright.
Sank into or sank into right.
Imran (14:53):
So Um, this is what I found.
How many game of thrones likeimagery popping in my head, you
know how I was talking.
Pastor Ryan (14:59):
That like, for example, like and walking dead
paylilu, hebrew and this timedid not have a word for
lightening.
So it was fire from god right.
Similarly, they did not have aword for sheath.
So the bronze sheath that hehad on his shin but if you look
kind of think about what asheath on your shins look like
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for armor, see how it is kind ofsmooth like this.
It has a forehead Right, so thesame term it uses for the
forehead is the same term ituses to describe his bronze
sheaths.
Imran (15:30):
Oh, on his, on his knee and ankle area right.
Pastor Ryan (15:32):
So, um, a way that you can maybe just literally
read that for us Okay would behe wore bronze foreheads on his
legs.
Okay, does that make sense?
Yeah, now, why does that?
Important?
Because a couple things that welearned is that whenever the
stone struck him, this is thathe fell.
Which way Forward forward?
Right now and I I've seen thisyou could hit somebody in the
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head with enough force Ifthey're moving towards you fast
enough to where they would fallforward.
Right Generally depending on hefell face down on the ground.
If you are standing Right ormoving slowly towards with
Glythe probably would have been.
He probably would have beendeliberately moving forward, but
not at high speed.
Getting rocked in the head likethat.
Where do you think his head'sgonna go?
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physics says Snap backwards, andif he's gonna fall because it
knocks him out, where is heprobably gonna fall?
On his back?
On his back or on the side,right?
So that's kind of like ananomaly that I'm like that.
This is what I found it, if theforehead of the sheath it's the
same word, right, yeah, and Ithink what it's actually
painting.
This is my personal opinion,because both are possible.
I just want to make that clear.
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Both are possible.
But I think makes the mostsense though, I think, what it's
describing and there's anotherthing here I'm going to hit in a
second.
But when you are walking and itcreates that space between your
kneecap and the joint um, whenyou have the, the sheath on your
on your your leg, you moveforward and your nend, your um
knee, bends as you're walking.
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I think, when it talks aboutthe stone getting lodged in the
sheath, that it hit him on thekneecap and the stone got lodged
in between the space betweenthe knee and that space of the
sheath as it was exposed.
So even if he wanted to keepwalking forward, he couldn't,
because it was lodged in there.
It kept him so on top of thedamage, right, he's also got
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wracked in the knee with a stoneat about 68 miles an hour,
which could have shattered andbroke his kneecap probably did
um, but even if he wanted tostand up and keep going, it
would have been lodged and kepthim right.
And here's the otherinteresting I found when it says
that he fell face down, that'snot actually really what it says
Um.
The Hebrew word that's usedthere is kara.
What it actually means is tobow down.
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So the idea is that when he gothit, his knee went down like he
was bowing.
Imran (17:46):
Okay, you see what I'm saying.
Pastor Ryan (17:48):
So, um, which, obviously, which also Gives you
the impression that he did notGet knocked out Right, um, and
what probably happened becauseof speed, is that it hit his
knee, got lodged within thesheath.
Imran (18:02):
Shattered him up and turned in the next end.
Pastor Ryan (18:05):
He falls down like in the bowing position.
What he's probably trying to doat that moment Is kind of
reached to kind of get a swordout.
That's when david's able tocome around, run around and and
outmaneuver him and get thatsword and whack him right.
Imran (18:18):
So Um hitting what that combined arms maneuver, what
does?
Pastor Ryan (18:20):
that matter to anything.
The most important thing thatthe author makes now it could be
either or right, maybe was theactual in between the eyes, um,
I think it was probably moretowards the knee.
You could whatever you want onthat right.
Yeah but the important pointthat the author makes is how he
kneeled.
Okay, and here's why.
And this is ultimately thewarning that I think the
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difference between why did godjust sacrifice go I, did he not
love goliath?
Right, because all thephilistines were profaning god,
you know.
I mean, they were all chairinggoliath on.
Here's the difference.
I want you to go to first,samuel, chapter five.
This happened earlier on in thewar.
Okay, this has been an ongoingwar between israel and the
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philistines.
Okay, and Earlier on in the war, the philistines had some
military success.
I'm gonna start in verse one.
It says now, after thephilistines had captured the ark
of god Whoops, so the ark ofthe covenant was captured.
Okay, now remember, the ark ofthe covenant, symbolically, had
always been what you'd call themercy seat of god.
The top of the.
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The ark Was what was believedis, that's where God sat down,
that that was the throne, is, ina way, right on earth.
That that that's where Godresided, right?
So they captured the ark of God.
They took it from eboniser toashdod.
Then they carried the ark intodaegon's temple and set it
beside daegon.
Right, this is the god that umgoliath is fighting in the name
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of.
Okay.
Imran (19:49):
When the people of ashdod arose early the next day.
Pastor Ryan (19:52):
There was daegon fallen on his face on the ground
before the ark of the lord.
Notice the emphasis of theexclamation point.
But what it really?
says Is that they found DaegonKara before Bowling before the
lord, the ark of the of the lord.
So the same word that it usedfor Daegon bowing before the ark
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is the same term used here forgoliath Bowling down in this
fight with david.
Okay, now keep reading.
They took daegon and put himback in his place, but the
following morning when they rose, there was daegon fallen on his
face on the ground before theark of the lord.
But this time is something'sdifferent.
You notice His head In handshave been broken off.
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We're lying on the thresholdand only his body remained.
Selena (20:44):
Oh wow.
Pastor Ryan (20:45):
So now let's fast forward to the fight, with david
and goliath.
Right here, he is profaning.
I'm gonna fight on behalf ofdaegon.
You're gonna fight on behalf ofya'll way.
We're gonna fight this fightright?
Why didn't they?
Well, they were fighting onbehalf of daegon.
Why didn't date?
Why didn't goliath get anymercy from god on this?
Because god had alreadydefeated daegon.
There had already been anexperience earlier, not bloody,
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yet God had given thephilistines everything at that
moment to recognize your godbowed before me.
Yeah in the second time you puthim back up, I beheaded him and
I chopped off his limbs.
I dismembered your god as helaid right in Before me at the
ark like this, got them in suchfear that they moved the ark out
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of the temple.
Right, they were afraid.
So they had every all theinformation to already know that
daegon had been defeated byya'll way.
So here's goliath profaningya'll way again, trying to fight
on behalf of a defeated God.
And then that's fine, okay,you're gonna die like your God
then, right?
So why does David behead him?
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Because, just as he was bowingKara before David, just as Dagon
, the statue, was bowing beforethe Ark of the Covenant, god
chopped his head off.
Here comes David, rememberingthat same experience, lobbed off
Goliath's head and probablydismembered the rest of his body
too, by the way.
Imran (22:11):
Yeah.
Pastor Ryan (22:12):
Yeah, does that make sense?
Imran (22:14):
Yeah, I'm also reading through the rest of First Samuel
5.
And it's crazy Like they arelike let's move the Ark to this
other city, to Goth.
Pastor Ryan (22:23):
He takes the Goth, and there's all these plagues
and they're like let's get thisout of here, and they move it to
Aragon.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Goth was also.
What does it say about Goliath?
Goth was the hometown ofGoliath.
So he had already been victimof these plagues the whole point
was that God was bringing in tothe Philistine camps and across
that entire area and it wasbeing moved from city to city to
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city.
Imran (22:45):
It was so real to them that like we have to get this
Ark out of here and theneventually return it.
Pastor Ryan (22:49):
But he was showing them his superiority and he's
still, in their defiance,decided to stand against them
and profane them.
Then he finally says okay, ifyou've made your choice, you've
had all the information possible.
You've made your choice, ofwhich God you stand with.
You will now die with your GodDoes that make sense.
Imran (23:06):
And then, yeah, ultimately they just return it
to Israel too, which after sevenmonths, they just give it back.
It's crazy.
Go and read 1 Samuel, 5 and 6.
It's awesome.
Pastor Ryan (23:15):
It's intense Again.
God trolling right.
Imran (23:18):
But he also gave my-.
He's moving from city to city.
He's saying like we gotta getthis out of here, and they just
give it back.
Pastor Ryan (23:22):
But I don't want to gloss over this right.
God had given them everyopportunity, all the information
to know.
Imran (23:29):
And so when he comes profaning, it's like it's from a
perspective of knowing Rightand it says fine.
Pastor Ryan (23:35):
If your allegiance is gonna be with that God and
you're going to stand against me, you will go die with your God.
You're gonna die like your God,right?
So just as I had beheaded Dagonand dismembered him, goliath
now stands on behalf of his Godon behalf of Dagon is okay.
If you're gonna fight on behalfof Dagon, you're gonna die like
Dagon, and he got his headchopped off, probably
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dismembered the exact same way,and David knew this, and that
was also the experience he wasdrawing from, but that entire
Israel army should have alsoremembered.
You see what I'm saying.
It was such a lack of faith.
But I think the big warning tous, though, is that when we have
our gods and God has given usall the information to
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understand, that's not your God,but if you're gonna align
yourself to that God, you'regonna die with your God, and
that's essentially judgmentright.
Imran (24:27):
You're gonna destroy your life, destroy your job, destroy
your marriage, following thatGod instead of following the
real.
Pastor Ryan (24:33):
God, you align yourself with the gods of your
life and that's who youultimately wanna choose to serve
.
You decide to it.
Imran (24:38):
You'll die with them, right and Look at all the people
pursuing money, pursuing wealthabove all else, and how they
destroy everything aboutthemselves and the people around
them.
And then they look back on yourlife and like what was that
worth really?
You got all this money, butwhat else?
Well and I think your kids hateyou, your wife hates you, your
husband hates you.
Pastor Ryan (24:55):
There seems to always be this and we hate this,
right, but anything in yourlife that is has supreme
affection over God.
That's the very thing that he'sgonna come out and expose and
expect you to give up, right?
So one of the parables of Jesusis the rich young ruler.
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The rich young ruler right Nowhe comes.
Now Jesus makes it very clearin his other teachings that
money is something that could beused just as much for good as
it could be for evil.
That's why he doesn't say theroot of all evil is money.
It's the love of money, right.
So?
But for this rich young ruler,he kinda knew this man's heart
and he said this young ruler wasan observant Jew.
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He says I keep all thecommandments I do, but he wanted
to guarantee how do I ensure Imake it into the kingdom of
heaven?
What can I do?
What big charitable thing can?
Imran (25:48):
I do with my money.
I've done a lot, but just letme know if I'm doing enough.
Right, but how can I?
Pastor Ryan (25:52):
guarantee my place in the kingdom of heaven.
He was expecting Jesus to saywell, go build this with the
temple, fund this with thetemple.
Imran (26:00):
something I mean, and what he says it's also like I
wonder what he had been told upto that point before Jesus
confronted him in this, becausethat may have been what he was
taught up to that point.
Well, I think what was?
Pastor Ryan (26:13):
taught what he was probably of the.
He was probably of therabbinical camp of Haleel or
Shema'i, which, again, didn'tnecessarily discourage money,
but it was very much one.
That was like.
You know, it can't be thesupreme source of affection for
your life.
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Okay, jesus comes in knowingthat it is the supreme source of
affection for his life.
He says, okay, if you want tofollow me, if you want to
guarantee your place in thekingdom, sell everything you
have, give it to the poor andcome follow me.
But there's other people hedoesn't ask that of, right.
There's this whole group ofwomen who are financially
supporting him throughout hisentire ministry.
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He doesn't ask them to do that.
Why does he ask this man to doit but not these other people?
It's because those other peoplethey may have had money, but
that wasn't the supremeaffection of their heart for
this man it was.
That's why it says that thisman walks away saddened, cause
he knew.
He knew that what he was justasked to do was like who his God
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really was, which was money,Right, and that's what God
attacks.
So if, whatever the supremeaffection or God of your life is
, that's gonna be the very thingthat God's like, I'm gonna
destroy all that for you at thesake of following me.
You know what I mean and that'swhy you see things play so
uniquely in people's lives,cause we all have different
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affections for different thingsat different levels.
Right, but he destroys thethings that we place above him.
In this particular case,goliath had all the information
to know at this point Yahweh wassuperior.
Yeah and he stood defiantagainst him.
He says you're gonna go diewith your God, then You're gonna
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die the same way, right?
So you look at the Israelitesand the only reason that
something similar didn't happento them is cause he was in
covenant with them.
Right, and he's like I'm gonnabe faithful even when you're
unfaithful to me.
Right, but you still see thisploy of God also trying to
expose to the Philistines?
Right, if you remember, youbrought up Jericho earlier.
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Right, the spies go intoJericho.
And you have Rahab, who's likewe are all in great fear, cause
we've heard of everything thatGod has done for you guys in the
wilderness, and now you arehere and we know we can't beat
you.
They all had the Jericho wasthe same way.
They all had the sameinformation.
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You have this Rahab, whorecognized it, took that
information and respondedappropriately to it, and she was
spared.
You know, what I'm saying.
That is God's judgment, right.
We miss this sometimes.
We always look at judgment asthis kind of dirty thing, in a
way like not dirty, butsometimes To be judged is to be
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like it's scary right, but wealso miss.
That blessing is also judgment.
Imran (29:05):
Yeah.
Pastor Ryan (29:06):
Christ teaches like you reap with what you sow, so
when God blesses you, it's alsothe outcome of faithfulness.
He says it's not that he justblesses you cause he loves you,
which he does, but it's also incertain regards I'm blessing you
, because it's just what you'vedone.
It would be unjust of me not tobless you, right?
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So judgment plays out inblessing just as much as it
plays out.
And these right.
Imran (29:34):
The Bible talks about the crowns you receive, that the
house that he's preparing foryou.
It's like that's based on howyou're living your life now and
that service you're giving now.
So God's got these blessingsbased off of his judgment of the
things that you're doing now,right, and so it's not like you
need to do good things in orderto get into heaven.
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That's not the point, but theBible does talk about that.
Your blessings are stored inheaven based off of the things
that you do now.
Pastor Ryan (30:03):
The idea is that you If you live a life.
You serve Christ because he'sworthy, knowing that you're
going to mess up sometimes,knowing that you're not always
going to get it right, but thesupreme affection of your heart
is serving Christ.
And I guess my point being isthat I think the warning for
people is that God has destroyedmany gods, all throughout
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scripture.
Take any God and he has wipedit out, and I don't mean just in
a literal sense, betweenwhether it's Dagon or Baal or
Zeus or you guys were doing theseven churches.
Study right the Bible said wewere doing.
We talk about all the differentpantheon gods that are existing
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within that whole context.
He's wiping all those out inthe book of Revelation, like
Apollo being one of the centralfigures of Revelation that he's
destroying.
There's a literal sense of Godthat he's wiped out, but then
there's also the money, fame,power all those things.
All those things that he's like,I've destroyed.
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That too, a good example.
In the book of Exodus it's awhole story with Pharaoh.
Did you guys know that?
The actual name of the book ofExodus?
You know what it's called?
Imran (31:19):
To depart, isn't it?
Exodus is to leave.
Pastor Ryan (31:21):
Well, that's what it means, but that's not the
actual original name of the book.
Imran (31:25):
Oh, the original name of the book of Exodus.
I had no idea the actual Hebrewname of the book of Exodus.
Pastor Ryan (31:28):
So you know what the real name of the Hebrew, the
plague book, I don't know.
The book of names.
Selena (31:34):
What.
Pastor Ryan (31:34):
Oh, I've heard that before.
Yeah, go read Exodus and noticewho is named and who is not,
Because one of the biggestpoints remember name means
character right.
Yahweh gives us his name inExodus.
It mentions the midwives whorefused to kill the Hebrew
babies.
It mentions them by name.
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Pharaoh is not mentioned byname one time.
It's just the Pharaoh.
It's just Pharaoh.
But Moses is mentioned by name,right, the most powerful, the
most rich, the most famous, themost influential, yeah, most
influential of all, the kingdomof Egypt, his name is not even
mentioned.
He destroys every God, not justthe.
He doesn't just destroy raw andyou know a therapist, and all
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them, but he also destroys theother Gods money, fame, power,
pride, all put to shame underhis subjugation.
Imran (32:27):
You know what I'm saying.
Pastor Ryan (32:29):
And I think it's a good reminder for us to remember
that God has given me all theinformation to respond
appropriately.
What do I do in my response,then, to what I know?
Right, taking responsibility,ability to respond.
Do I take responsibility forwhat I know and how I'm living?
And if I am living towardsmeans that it's outside of the
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glory of Christ, I better getback in there, right, because I
will die with my God and I don'twant to die with him.
I want to live eternally withmy God, not die with my false
God.
Imran (33:03):
Yeah.
I mean absolutely so yeah,David Goliath, that was
fantastic.
I really appreciate thediscussion.
For those listening in thegroup.
I've been waiting for Ryan tolike do this discussion with us
for like four months because Iremember the Sunday he came to
church and he was like, oh, youjust come back from like your
business trip because you werestudying on the plane and you're
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like there's all these greatthings that I learned about
David Goliath while I was flyingon this plane.
I was, and he just been kind ofgiving me tidbits over the last
few months he preached it to theyouth and he was kind of
telling us how that went andsome of the questions that they
had asked.
And so now to finally get this,the full picture of this sermon
that you've really been workingthrough over the last like
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three or like, maybe like threeor four months.
I'm so glad.
Selena (33:49):
I'm glad.
Pastor Ryan (33:51):
And you will die with your God.
It's not if your God is notYahweh right.
Another big piece is adults,right Men, taking responsibility
to what they should be.
Imran (34:05):
Yeah.
Pastor Ryan (34:06):
Right.
Part of the reason our cultureis the way it is is just a
failure of adults to takeresponsibility.
Imran (34:11):
Yeah.
Pastor Ryan (34:12):
They have not assumed responsibility of what
they they need to takeresponsibility for, and people
need to start being moreresponsible, not just in their
faith, but in everything.
Right, yeah, and so you know inmarriage, like the amount of
people who do not takeappropriate responsibility as a
husband or a wife even the waythe English is written take
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responsibility.
Imran (34:36):
It's not a way to you'll fall into responsibility or just
give it.
No, it says go out and takeresponsibility.
It's like you know what youshould be taking responsibility
over that, whether it be yourkids, your marriage, your job,
your, your church life, yourinner thoughts, all that.
It's like, okay, go out andtake it, actually take ownership
and do the work and do thethings that you need to do to
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take that responsibility.
Pastor Ryan (35:00):
Right, right.
But to summarize though back on, you know, real Bible stories
brand here.
Not really one about giants,right, it's one about men with
great stature, experience, andwho are well equipped, but not
well equipped, experienced orstature, to fight the fights
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that need to happen.
Yeah, right, and you could sayit to underdog story.
But Goliath's the underdog,right, because he's the one
who's standing in defianceagainst the one true God versus,
you know, adopting his.
There's no other way that couldhave happened.
Imran (35:37):
Yeah.
Pastor Ryan (35:37):
You know what I mean.
Like when you stand like thatin defiance against, against God
, you get crushed.
Imran (35:43):
You know what I'm saying, like what happens.
Pastor Ryan (35:45):
Like God's not going to surrender his character
for the sake of you going onand living in your rebellion.
Yeah Right.
If you give him that ultimatum,right, this is what happens you
die with your God.
You're already beheaded, youknow.
So my point being is I hopethat this has helped mature
people a little bit.
Imran (36:04):
Yeah.
Pastor Ryan (36:05):
Into the story of David and Goliath instead of it
just being this, you know, pickpocket story of go defeat your
giants.
It wasn't really about Daviddefeating his giant Go have
faith.
It was about God's peoplefighting the fight.
God told him, this is fightingGod's fights, yep, the way he
told us to put on the full armorof the Lord.
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It's about responsibility.
That that's honestly what thiswhole thing is.
Just about takingresponsibility.
Imran (36:30):
Absolutely All right, Ryan.
Thank you so much for teachingus today.
Selena, thanks for hanging out,missed you guys.
Selena (36:37):
Yeah, it's been a bit.
We got to do this more often.
Yeah, it's always.
I don't know what the word is.
It's like feeling.
Imran (36:46):
Yeah, if you feel You're juveniles, yeah, yeah.
Selena (36:49):
Yeah, even if it's like intense, it's like okay, this is
good.
Like you said, it's much better.
Yeah, I feel filled.
Imran (36:56):
I feel like I'm going into the week with the right
mindset and I hope that you alllistening are also filled and
continue.
It's deep right, so you cankeep thinking about it, keep
working through it as you gothrough the week, like I don't
expect you to sit here for anhour and a half and just like go
all at once.
Even when I listen back tothese, I listen over the course
of the week and I engage withthat throughout the time.
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you next week.
Selena (37:25):
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I am your host, emron Ward, andthis week we're continuing our
discussion with Pastor RyanBrown and my wife Selena into
the real story behind David andGoliath.
If you haven't listened to thefirst episode where we talk
about this so it's last week'sepisode I highly recommend you
pause now, go back and listen tothat episode, because there is
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so much context that will makethis next part make so much
sense.
It has been such an awesomejourney going through this with
Pastor Ryan and I want you toget it from the beginning.
But if you've already listenedto that, I hope you enjoy the
second part of this discussionabout David and Goliath.
Thank you for joining us today.
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Enjoy.
Pastor Ryan (01:08):
A very astute young child of mine, when we were
talking about this, asked a veryfair question that God not love
Goliath?
You see what I'm saying.
So what was it about Goliaththat essentially condemned him
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to this feat?
He was, but everybody was, andin fact worshiping other gods is
a mocking of him, right?
Like, really, if anything, yousee a passionate zeal within
Goliath, like Goliath would havebeen a great ally to have on
the side of God's army.
Yeah, I imagine that Goliath aszealous and passionate for
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Yahweh as he was for Dagon,right?
So there's a piece with thatand this is why the battle kind
of matters, yeah, Okay.
And there's cool things withthis because I also think this
indicates a fight went down away that most people don't
envision, or what you don't see.
A Christian art kind of depictsthis a certain way.
So I want to kind of talk aboutthe battle, and it's also just
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fun for us because, like beingmore fighters, being a combat
vet, like the substanceintrigues me, right.
Yeah, so one of the firstthings I want you to kind of
think about and, selena, you hadread it in the beginning, but
it talks about his height, right.
Then he says he has a bronzehelmet on his head and wore a
coat of scale armor of bronze onhis legs.
He wore bronze grieves on abronze javelin was slung on his
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back at a spear shaft that waslike a weaver's rod with an iron
point.
The shield bearer went ahead ofhim, right?
So he has a shield.
So the whole point is that ifyou just were to picture
Goliath's armor, right.
His equipment.
What you get a sense of interms of at least in terms of
ancient combat, there would haveonly been two weaknesses is in
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his entire get up, okay.
Okay, now one the bronze helmet, but it came down over the top
of covering his forehead,probably going down the bridge
of his nose.
Imran (03:06):
okay, covering his right covering his cheeks, right, okay
, so.
I mean I just, form fitted tohis head, like forged to fit him
Right.
Pastor Ryan (03:15):
So your weaknesses would be this his eyes, his
mouth.
I want me to add a third one inthere, and it would have been
at certain points, as he'swalking his knees right.
Because you got the bronzesheets there that as you walk
they have to bend.
You know, allowing for thebending of the knee, yeah.
Imran (03:33):
So it would have exposed your would have exposed the top
of your knee cap.
Selena (03:36):
Well, wouldn't that be for like your elbows too, like
your joints?
Pastor Ryan (03:39):
It could have been yeah, right, but the point is is
that there wasn't a whole lotof the elbows covered by the
shield.
Imran (03:44):
Right Got the big shield.
Pastor Ryan (03:46):
And if you even look at the big shield right,
you're holding it like this.
That's really coming up andblocking pretty much your mouth.
So all you would see is hiseyes on the top.
Yeah Right, with, like you said, his elbows would be covered
too.
You've been coming even withover the top with his spear.
Imran (04:02):
So specifically, it would actually be that spear holding
knee, because if he's holdinghimself with the shield and then
he removes the shield topresent the spear, he's going to
expose one of those legs.
Pastor Ryan (04:14):
Not necessarily because he could also strike
from over the top.
Imran (04:16):
From over the top?
Yeah, I guess.
So then he's exposing you alittle bit more of the face.
So all that is very fewvulnerabilities, right, like
where are you going to hit?
Right, like a Dark Soulscharacter, just straight up Dark
Souls enemy.
Right, how do?
Pastor Ryan (04:26):
you fight this guy and hence everybody's feared.
Right Like, okay, I have theequipment and, but you, but this
guy is like armor, there's veryfew weaknesses and he's big.
I can't, I can't like overpowerthis guy.
David, being completely awareof his fact, right, like that
dude's huge Right, and look atwhat he's wearing.
He chooses a combat strategy,what we call proxemics.
Imran (04:49):
Right.
Pastor Ryan (04:50):
So you know, a lot of people always ask like why?
Why does the American militaryuse like the M4s?
Why do we use a 556 caliber?
Imran (05:00):
Right.
Pastor Ryan (05:00):
Yeah, right.
And because one thing we knowabout the M4s and I could
personally attest to is if youdo not keep that rifle
immaculate, that thing willstart jamming.
Right Like whenever, like aJamaican song.
Like it is Like I remember,like when, like when I was a
platoon sergeant in Afghanistan,we would get back from a fight
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and there's always like standardthings you have to do when you
got back.
Selena (05:25):
Right.
Imran (05:26):
You need to before you go to sleep Before you do anything
.
Pastor Ryan (05:28):
Yeah, what I had them do, though, I said your
first responsibility gettingback, you're going to go drop
your gear, you're going to getwater, you're going to meet over
by the debrief area and you'regoing to bring your weapons
cleaning kit, and I had themcleaning their weapons as we
debriefed.
Yeah, because the last thing Iwould want is in the middle of
that debrief, after a fight, weget hit again.
Imran (05:45):
And you have to go engage it and now things are not
working.
Selena (05:48):
Right, yeah, yeah.
Pastor Ryan (05:49):
So it's like why do we use this Right?
Because when you look at likesomething like the Russian AK-47
or 74, that thing will shootwith.
Pkms, it'll shoot with.
you can immerse it in there mudand it will still fire, like.
That thing is very agile inthat regard.
It's a bigger caliber, right,so but why do we use it?
Because the 556, beyond havingcertain tumbling effects that it
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has on impact like this, is awhole.
I'm probably getting too muchinto the weeds on this at this
point, but as I started it, ifyou imagine, you imagine
dropping two rocks right into,like a swimming pool.
Yeah Right, If I drop one rockyou see a kind of a ripple in
the water.
Now, if I drop one rock andthen two another rock right
after it, right like maybe splitsecond between each other?
Selena (06:33):
Yeah.
Pastor Ryan (06:34):
As they go, that one ripple goes, the other
ripple goes and they crash intoeach other.
Imran (06:37):
Yeah.
Pastor Ryan (06:38):
Right.
So, when they interact.
That creates this over pressurewithin the body.
That actually creates moredamage than just a straight.
You know, shooting straightthrough, shooting straight
through that like a 762 doesRight.
So there's that advantage, butthe primary reason that they go
with the 556 is proximity.
Selena (06:56):
Mm, hmm.
Pastor Ryan (06:56):
AK-47 has a max effective range of about 450
meters.
Yeah, the M16 when we had itwas about 620.
Mm hmm, the M4 is now about 550, but that means that I have
about a hundred meters Morestandoff Standoff that I'm able
to shoot and hit you firstbefore you're able to shoot and
hit me effectively Does thatmake sense, yeah, so.
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Proximix is always a thing inwarfare.
What's interesting is thatDavid looks at this fight.
He looks at okay, I cannot getin a close battle with him.
Yeah, because if I get in closeenough because of his stature,
he, I give him the Proximix.
Mm.
Hmm, he has a longer spear, hehas longer arms, he has longer
height, he's more, yeah.
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So I have to get very, veryclose, very quickly into Goliath
, to fight him in close range,and I better not miss in that
first strike because after thathe's going to overpower me and
I'm done.
Imran (07:48):
That's a big thing in boxing.
It's like because, obviously,like with, like professional
boxers, they know their armlikes and all this stuff.
If you're a smaller boxer, yourwhole goal is to get in within
the reach so that you can applyyour power before the enemy can
generate their power.
Because if, because they canreach out further than you, if
you're not getting in close andthey're going to generate that
power and get that full, fullreach punch into you before and
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you can't even defend it, yeah,all right, you can't counter it
without getting closer.
Pastor Ryan (08:15):
So um what does David opt for A sling right?
Now when when I remember beingtaught as a kid and maybe I
wasn't, they never specified sobecause I'm a kid, my what my
mind immediately went to was asling shot from like Dennis the
menace.
Imran (08:32):
Yeah, like the Y shape with the rubber, right, you know
rubber wasn't invented yet.
Yeah, right, but like that'swhat you're thinking right,
literally not possible for themto use that.
That's what I always thought of.
Pastor Ryan (08:41):
David using as a sling, right?
Yeah, Um, that's not the case.
What David chose was in termsof a sling.
It's like an overhead slingthat you swing around really
fast.
Imran (08:51):
And it was, it was a legitimate weapon yeah.
That is a real thing that weused to do and actually I think
it's judges chapter Great.
Youtube videos out there, bythe way, of people that have
mastered that in the modern day.
If you want to see howdevastating this weapon is like,
you can look it up.
Pastor Ryan (09:03):
Judges chapter 20 actually talks about 700
slingers from the tribe ofBenjamin who were so good.
It says they're all left-handedand they, they could hit the
sense.
I forgot the term it uses, butessentially he says that you
know it could hit.
They could hit any point thatthey wanted with these things.
Wow, so that gave him proxemics, right, that was his first
problem, so that was the weaponhe chose.
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You look at that as like thefirst rifles, like that's how
effective they were.
Imran (09:28):
Okay, so let's like yeah, you can get into it.
Get into it, yeah, you got it,you got it.
Pastor Ryan (09:31):
Okay, so that was the other misnomer, right Is
that?
I always kind of thought it wasthe swing, like Dennis, the
menace and you're talking aboutthese little pebbles right and
they're not.
You're talking about a baseballto softball shape stone.
Imran (09:43):
It actually says in there .
He went and got these specificlike river rocks.
They went down to the water.
Now, why do you think he wentto the river rocks?
Pastor Ryan (09:49):
Smooth Because they're smooth.
Imran (09:51):
Aerodynamic.
God's already prepping for you.
Pastor Ryan (09:53):
Right, that's how because they're smooth, they're
aerodynamic, which made him moreaccurate, right?
So that's what I'm saying Iwould this whole battle just
intrigues me from that but itgets the five smooth stones.
Imran (10:06):
They're all you know, saul probably had slingers Like
that's probably a.
He probably had people that didthis, like I'm sure they
weren't surprised that Davidrolled up there with a sling,
like that this had to besomething.
No, no, no, nobody was nobodyquestioned With a question.
Pastor Ryan (10:20):
Was him going out there without armor?
Nobody questioned the weapon hechose.
Selena (10:23):
Right.
Pastor Ryan (10:24):
That's made sense to them, right?
Especially if they're lookingat the statue of David, right?
Yeah, so let me read, becausethis is what it says.
So as the Philistine movedcloser to attack him, david ran
quickly towards the battle lineto meet him.
Selena (10:37):
So Wait, where are?
Pastor Ryan (10:39):
we at.
Oh, I'm sorry, that was a verse48 of chapter 17.
So there were standards to thisright.
If you're going to do achampion versus champion, it's
just kind of one of thosehonorable rules, right, there's
a battle line where you go meetto fight in between right the
battle Everybody should see.
Okay, so one disadvantage thatGoliath has compared to David
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because David's not weighed downthis is not only does David get
proxemics, but he gets what.
Imran (11:03):
Speed, Speed right or in a moment.
What is it?
Momentum?
What is the word we use?
Pastor Ryan (11:08):
Well, momentum is kind of a combat term to discuss
, like maintaining a pace.
Imran (11:13):
Tempo.
That's what I'm looking for,because that's relative speed,
speed relative to the end, RightTempo.
Pastor Ryan (11:17):
So but what it says is that he used one.
He saw his disadvantage interms of armor, so he countered
that with proxemics, with asling.
The second thing he did was heused his speed to rush to the
battle line To increase histempo.
Why rush to the battle line?
Because it's taking Goliathlonger, because he's weighed
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down and he has all the gear.
So it says as he's movingtowards him right, slowly,
slower, david has a window thathe is able to engage, in terms
of proxemics, goliath, beforeGoliath can engage him.
This is why tempo is soimportant in warfare.
You see what I'm saying.
So he rushes out there to startslinging this thing right Now.
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Exploit, exploit, exploit.
Reaching into his bag andtaking out a stone, he slung it
and struck the Philistine on theforehead.
The stone sank into hisforehead and he fell face down
on the ground.
Okay, so let's stop there,because here's another misnomer,
I think, and every bit ofChristian art and every bit of
Now, just keep in mind thesestones that are about softball
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size.
Yeah, what does that mean whenyou hit brass?
Well, when you hit brass andforth to be sunken into your
forehead.
Think about he's big.
No, I want to make somethingvery clear, so I want to give
you this little Hold on realquick.
Imran (12:38):
So well, we were moving, oh sorry.
Well, we were getting ready togo home for our little Christmas
leave.
We were helping our friendsmove and we were tensioning oh,
I was tensioning a ratchet strapin the back of his moving band
and Selena, in her love andgrace, came up behind me to ask
me a question and just as shedid so, the tension snapped on
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the ratchet strap and that strapcame flipped behind me.
So this is a metal maybe oneand a half pound hook on this
strap and it flipped around andit actually snapped Selena in
the forehead and we had to go tothe ER.
She got a little bandage on herface and all that.
Selena (13:13):
And cleaned up.
Great memory.
Imran (13:17):
So you actually have very recent experience of a blunt
object hitting you at somedecent speed.
Pastor Ryan (13:25):
Well, let's talk about this, okay, because it
gets a little bit more.
I think it could mean theforehead, like what we think of
forehead, right, I'm justhighlighting that that was like
a pound and a half, like this,like River Rock hitting you at
much higher speed.
Imran (13:39):
Like what's that doing to you?
Pastor Ryan (13:40):
Probably didn't feel good, right.
So I want to note one thing,though, okay, because if you
keep reading, it says so Davidtriumphed over the Philistine
with a sling and a stone,without a sword in his hand.
He struck down the Philistineand killed him Verse 51 though
David ran and stood over him, hetook hold of the Philistine
sword and drew it from thesheath.
After he killed him, he cut offhis head with the sword.
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So essentially, he knocks Daviddown, but then steals David's
or knocks Goliath down.
He steals Goliath's sword andbeheads him.
Selena (14:14):
Yeah right.
Pastor Ryan (14:14):
That's how he eventually kills him.
So the point I'm trying to makeis this One an oddity that
always never made sense to me,which is why I studied it and I
found some cool things, but asoftball sized stone.
Now you could sling that stone.
They set on average aboutbetween 60 and 80 miles an hour.
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Okay, but that's still not fastenough to get a stone that big
lodged into somebody's head.
It's enough to maybe hit themand knock them out, that's for
sure, but not necessarily for itto get lodged, like the text
says.
It got lodged In the foreheadright.
Sank into or sank into right.
Imran (14:53):
So Um, this is what I found.
How many game of thrones likeimagery popping in my head, you
know how I was talking.
Pastor Ryan (14:59):
That like, for example, like and walking dead
paylilu, hebrew and this timedid not have a word for
lightening.
So it was fire from god right.
Similarly, they did not have aword for sheath.
So the bronze sheath that hehad on his shin but if you look
kind of think about what asheath on your shins look like
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for armor, see how it is kind ofsmooth like this.
It has a forehead Right, so thesame term it uses for the
forehead is the same term ituses to describe his bronze
sheaths.
Imran (15:30):
Oh, on his, on his knee and ankle area right.
Pastor Ryan (15:32):
So, um, a way that you can maybe just literally
read that for us Okay would behe wore bronze foreheads on his
legs.
Okay, does that make sense?
Yeah, now, why does that?
Important?
Because a couple things that welearned is that whenever the
stone struck him, this is thathe fell.
Which way Forward forward?
Right now and I I've seen thisyou could hit somebody in the
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head with enough force Ifthey're moving towards you fast
enough to where they would fallforward.
Right Generally depending on hefell face down on the ground.
If you are standing Right ormoving slowly towards with
Glythe probably would have been.
He probably would have beendeliberately moving forward, but
not at high speed.
Getting rocked in the head likethat.
Where do you think his head'sgonna go?
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physics says Snap backwards, andif he's gonna fall because it
knocks him out, where is heprobably gonna fall?
On his back?
On his back or on the side,right?
So that's kind of like ananomaly that I'm like that.
This is what I found it, if theforehead of the sheath it's the
same word, right, yeah, and Ithink what it's actually
painting.
This is my personal opinion,because both are possible.
I just want to make that clear.
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Both are possible.
But I think makes the mostsense though, I think, what it's
describing and there's anotherthing here I'm going to hit in a
second.
But when you are walking and itcreates that space between your
kneecap and the joint um, whenyou have the, the sheath on your
on your your leg, you moveforward and your nend, your um
knee, bends as you're walking.
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I think, when it talks aboutthe stone getting lodged in the
sheath, that it hit him on thekneecap and the stone got lodged
in between the space betweenthe knee and that space of the
sheath as it was exposed.
So even if he wanted to keepwalking forward, he couldn't,
because it was lodged in there.
It kept him so on top of thedamage, right, he's also got
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wracked in the knee with a stoneat about 68 miles an hour,
which could have shattered andbroke his kneecap probably did
um, but even if he wanted tostand up and keep going, it
would have been lodged and kepthim right.
And here's the otherinteresting I found when it says
that he fell face down, that'snot actually really what it says
Um.
The Hebrew word that's usedthere is kara.
What it actually means is tobow down.
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So the idea is that when he gothit, his knee went down like he
was bowing.
Imran (17:46):
Okay, you see what I'm saying.
Pastor Ryan (17:48):
So, um, which, obviously, which also Gives you
the impression that he did notGet knocked out Right, um, and
what probably happened becauseof speed, is that it hit his
knee, got lodged within thesheath.
Imran (18:02):
Shattered him up and turned in the next end.
Pastor Ryan (18:05):
He falls down like in the bowing position.
What he's probably trying to doat that moment Is kind of
reached to kind of get a swordout.
That's when david's able tocome around, run around and and
outmaneuver him and get thatsword and whack him right.
Imran (18:18):
So Um hitting what that combined arms maneuver, what
does?
Pastor Ryan (18:20):
that matter to anything.
The most important thing thatthe author makes now it could be
either or right, maybe was theactual in between the eyes, um,
I think it was probably moretowards the knee.
You could whatever you want onthat right.
Yeah but the important pointthat the author makes is how he
kneeled.
Okay, and here's why.
And this is ultimately thewarning that I think the
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difference between why did godjust sacrifice go I, did he not
love goliath?
Right, because all thephilistines were profaning god,
you know.
I mean, they were all chairinggoliath on.
Here's the difference.
I want you to go to first,samuel, chapter five.
This happened earlier on in thewar.
Okay, this has been an ongoingwar between israel and the
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philistines.
Okay, and Earlier on in the war, the philistines had some
military success.
I'm gonna start in verse one.
It says now, after thephilistines had captured the ark
of god Whoops, so the ark ofthe covenant was captured.
Okay, now remember, the ark ofthe covenant, symbolically, had
always been what you'd call themercy seat of god.
The top of the.
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The ark Was what was believedis, that's where God sat down,
that that was the throne, is, ina way, right on earth.
That that that's where Godresided, right?
So they captured the ark of God.
They took it from eboniser toashdod.
Then they carried the ark intodaegon's temple and set it
beside daegon.
Right, this is the god that umgoliath is fighting in the name
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of.
Okay.
Imran (19:49):
When the people of ashdod arose early the next day.
Pastor Ryan (19:52):
There was daegon fallen on his face on the ground
before the ark of the lord.
Notice the emphasis of theexclamation point.
But what it really?
says Is that they found DaegonKara before Bowling before the
lord, the ark of the of the lord.
So the same word that it usedfor Daegon bowing before the ark
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is the same term used here forgoliath Bowling down in this
fight with david.
Okay, now keep reading.
They took daegon and put himback in his place, but the
following morning when they rose, there was daegon fallen on his
face on the ground before theark of the lord.
But this time is something'sdifferent.
You notice His head In handshave been broken off.
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We're lying on the thresholdand only his body remained.
Selena (20:44):
Oh wow.
Pastor Ryan (20:45):
So now let's fast forward to the fight, with david
and goliath.
Right here, he is profaning.
I'm gonna fight on behalf ofdaegon.
You're gonna fight on behalf ofya'll way.
We're gonna fight this fightright?
Why didn't they?
Well, they were fighting onbehalf of daegon.
Why didn't date?
Why didn't goliath get anymercy from god on this?
Because god had alreadydefeated daegon.
There had already been anexperience earlier, not bloody,
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yet God had given thephilistines everything at that
moment to recognize your godbowed before me.
Yeah in the second time you puthim back up, I beheaded him and
I chopped off his limbs.
I dismembered your god as helaid right in Before me at the
ark like this, got them in suchfear that they moved the ark out
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of the temple.
Right, they were afraid.
So they had every all theinformation to already know that
daegon had been defeated byya'll way.
So here's goliath profaningya'll way again, trying to fight
on behalf of a defeated God.
And then that's fine, okay,you're gonna die like your God
then, right?
So why does David behead him?
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Because, just as he was bowingKara before David, just as Dagon
, the statue, was bowing beforethe Ark of the Covenant, god
chopped his head off.
Here comes David, rememberingthat same experience, lobbed off
Goliath's head and probablydismembered the rest of his body
too, by the way.
Imran (22:11):
Yeah.
Pastor Ryan (22:12):
Yeah, does that make sense?
Imran (22:14):
Yeah, I'm also reading through the rest of First Samuel
5.
And it's crazy Like they arelike let's move the Ark to this
other city, to Goth.
Pastor Ryan (22:23):
He takes the Goth, and there's all these plagues
and they're like let's get thisout of here, and they move it to
Aragon.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Goth was also.
What does it say about Goliath?
Goth was the hometown ofGoliath.
So he had already been victimof these plagues the whole point
was that God was bringing in tothe Philistine camps and across
that entire area and it wasbeing moved from city to city to
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city.
Imran (22:45):
It was so real to them that like we have to get this
Ark out of here and theneventually return it.
Pastor Ryan (22:49):
But he was showing them his superiority and he's
still, in their defiance,decided to stand against them
and profane them.
Then he finally says okay, ifyou've made your choice, you've
had all the information possible.
You've made your choice, ofwhich God you stand with.
You will now die with your GodDoes that make sense.
Imran (23:06):
And then, yeah, ultimately they just return it
to Israel too, which after sevenmonths, they just give it back.
It's crazy.
Go and read 1 Samuel, 5 and 6.
It's awesome.
Pastor Ryan (23:15):
It's intense Again.
God trolling right.
Imran (23:18):
But he also gave my-.
He's moving from city to city.
He's saying like we gotta getthis out of here, and they just
give it back.
Pastor Ryan (23:22):
But I don't want to gloss over this right.
God had given them everyopportunity, all the information
to know.
Imran (23:29):
And so when he comes profaning, it's like it's from a
perspective of knowing Rightand it says fine.
Pastor Ryan (23:35):
If your allegiance is gonna be with that God and
you're going to stand against me, you will go die with your God.
You're gonna die like your God,right?
So just as I had beheaded Dagonand dismembered him, goliath
now stands on behalf of his Godon behalf of Dagon is okay.
If you're gonna fight on behalfof Dagon, you're gonna die like
Dagon, and he got his headchopped off, probably
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dismembered the exact same way,and David knew this, and that
was also the experience he wasdrawing from, but that entire
Israel army should have alsoremembered.
You see what I'm saying.
It was such a lack of faith.
But I think the big warning tous, though, is that when we have
our gods and God has given usall the information to
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understand, that's not your God,but if you're gonna align
yourself to that God, you'regonna die with your God, and
that's essentially judgmentright.
Imran (24:27):
You're gonna destroy your life, destroy your job, destroy
your marriage, following thatGod instead of following the
real.
Pastor Ryan (24:33):
God, you align yourself with the gods of your
life and that's who youultimately wanna choose to serve
.
You decide to it.
Imran (24:38):
You'll die with them, right and Look at all the people
pursuing money, pursuing wealthabove all else, and how they
destroy everything aboutthemselves and the people around
them.
And then they look back on yourlife and like what was that
worth really?
You got all this money, butwhat else?
Well and I think your kids hateyou, your wife hates you, your
husband hates you.
Pastor Ryan (24:55):
There seems to always be this and we hate this,
right, but anything in yourlife that is has supreme
affection over God.
That's the very thing that he'sgonna come out and expose and
expect you to give up, right?
So one of the parables of Jesusis the rich young ruler.
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The rich young ruler right Nowhe comes.
Now Jesus makes it very clearin his other teachings that
money is something that could beused just as much for good as
it could be for evil.
That's why he doesn't say theroot of all evil is money.
It's the love of money, right.
So?
But for this rich young ruler,he kinda knew this man's heart
and he said this young ruler wasan observant Jew.
(25:38):
He says I keep all thecommandments I do, but he wanted
to guarantee how do I ensure Imake it into the kingdom of
heaven?
What can I do?
What big charitable thing can?
Imran (25:48):
I do with my money.
I've done a lot, but just letme know if I'm doing enough.
Right, but how can I?
Pastor Ryan (25:52):
guarantee my place in the kingdom of heaven.
He was expecting Jesus to saywell, go build this with the
temple, fund this with thetemple.
Imran (26:00):
something I mean, and what he says it's also like I
wonder what he had been told upto that point before Jesus
confronted him in this, becausethat may have been what he was
taught up to that point.
Well, I think what was?
Pastor Ryan (26:13):
taught what he was probably of the.
He was probably of therabbinical camp of Haleel or
Shema'i, which, again, didn'tnecessarily discourage money,
but it was very much one.
That was like.
You know, it can't be thesupreme source of affection for
your life.
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Okay, jesus comes in knowingthat it is the supreme source of
affection for his life.
He says, okay, if you want tofollow me, if you want to
guarantee your place in thekingdom, sell everything you
have, give it to the poor andcome follow me.
But there's other people hedoesn't ask that of, right.
There's this whole group ofwomen who are financially
supporting him throughout hisentire ministry.
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He doesn't ask them to do that.
Why does he ask this man to doit but not these other people?
It's because those other peoplethey may have had money, but
that wasn't the supremeaffection of their heart for
this man it was.
That's why it says that thisman walks away saddened, cause
he knew.
He knew that what he was justasked to do was like who his God
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really was, which was money,Right, and that's what God
attacks.
So if, whatever the supremeaffection or God of your life is
, that's gonna be the very thingthat God's like, I'm gonna
destroy all that for you at thesake of following me.
You know what I mean and that'swhy you see things play so
uniquely in people's lives,cause we all have different
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affections for different thingsat different levels.
Right, but he destroys thethings that we place above him.
In this particular case,goliath had all the information
to know at this point Yahweh wassuperior.
Yeah and he stood defiantagainst him.
He says you're gonna go diewith your God, then You're gonna
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die the same way, right?
So you look at the Israelitesand the only reason that
something similar didn't happento them is cause he was in
covenant with them.
Right, and he's like I'm gonnabe faithful even when you're
unfaithful to me.
Right, but you still see thisploy of God also trying to
expose to the Philistines?
Right, if you remember, youbrought up Jericho earlier.
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Right, the spies go intoJericho.
And you have Rahab, who's likewe are all in great fear, cause
we've heard of everything thatGod has done for you guys in the
wilderness, and now you arehere and we know we can't beat
you.
They all had the Jericho wasthe same way.
They all had the sameinformation.
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You have this Rahab, whorecognized it, took that
information and respondedappropriately to it, and she was
spared.
You know, what I'm saying.
That is God's judgment, right.
We miss this sometimes.
We always look at judgment asthis kind of dirty thing, in a
way like not dirty, butsometimes To be judged is to be
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like it's scary right, but wealso miss.
That blessing is also judgment.
Imran (29:05):
Yeah.
Pastor Ryan (29:06):
Christ teaches like you reap with what you sow, so
when God blesses you, it's alsothe outcome of faithfulness.
He says it's not that he justblesses you cause he loves you,
which he does, but it's also incertain regards I'm blessing you
, because it's just what you'vedone.
It would be unjust of me not tobless you, right?
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So judgment plays out inblessing just as much as it
plays out.
And these right.
Imran (29:34):
The Bible talks about the crowns you receive, that the
house that he's preparing foryou.
It's like that's based on howyou're living your life now and
that service you're giving now.
So God's got these blessingsbased off of his judgment of the
things that you're doing now,right, and so it's not like you
need to do good things in orderto get into heaven.
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That's not the point, but theBible does talk about that.
Your blessings are stored inheaven based off of the things
that you do now.
Pastor Ryan (30:03):
The idea is that you If you live a life.
You serve Christ because he'sworthy, knowing that you're
going to mess up sometimes,knowing that you're not always
going to get it right, but thesupreme affection of your heart
is serving Christ.
And I guess my point being isthat I think the warning for
people is that God has destroyedmany gods, all throughout
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scripture.
Take any God and he has wipedit out, and I don't mean just in
a literal sense, betweenwhether it's Dagon or Baal or
Zeus or you guys were doing theseven churches.
Study right the Bible said wewere doing.
We talk about all the differentpantheon gods that are existing
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within that whole context.
He's wiping all those out inthe book of Revelation, like
Apollo being one of the centralfigures of Revelation that he's
destroying.
There's a literal sense of Godthat he's wiped out, but then
there's also the money, fame,power all those things.
All those things that he's like,I've destroyed.
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That too, a good example.
In the book of Exodus it's awhole story with Pharaoh.
Did you guys know that?
The actual name of the book ofExodus?
You know what it's called?
Imran (31:19):
To depart, isn't it?
Exodus is to leave.
Pastor Ryan (31:21):
Well, that's what it means, but that's not the
actual original name of the book.
Imran (31:25):
Oh, the original name of the book of Exodus.
I had no idea the actual Hebrewname of the book of Exodus.
Pastor Ryan (31:28):
So you know what the real name of the Hebrew, the
plague book, I don't know.
The book of names.
Selena (31:34):
What.
Pastor Ryan (31:34):
Oh, I've heard that before.
Yeah, go read Exodus and noticewho is named and who is not,
Because one of the biggestpoints remember name means
character right.
Yahweh gives us his name inExodus.
It mentions the midwives whorefused to kill the Hebrew
babies.
It mentions them by name.
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Pharaoh is not mentioned byname one time.
It's just the Pharaoh.
It's just Pharaoh.
But Moses is mentioned by name,right, the most powerful, the
most rich, the most famous, themost influential, yeah, most
influential of all, the kingdomof Egypt, his name is not even
mentioned.
He destroys every God, not justthe.
He doesn't just destroy raw andyou know a therapist, and all
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them, but he also destroys theother Gods money, fame, power,
pride, all put to shame underhis subjugation.
Imran (32:27):
You know what I'm saying.
Pastor Ryan (32:29):
And I think it's a good reminder for us to remember
that God has given me all theinformation to respond
appropriately.
What do I do in my response,then, to what I know?
Right, taking responsibility,ability to respond.
Do I take responsibility forwhat I know and how I'm living?
And if I am living towardsmeans that it's outside of the
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glory of Christ, I better getback in there, right, because I
will die with my God and I don'twant to die with him.
I want to live eternally withmy God, not die with my false
God.
Imran (33:03):
Yeah.
I mean absolutely so yeah,David Goliath, that was
fantastic.
I really appreciate thediscussion.
For those listening in thegroup.
I've been waiting for Ryan tolike do this discussion with us
for like four months because Iremember the Sunday he came to
church and he was like, oh, youjust come back from like your
business trip because you werestudying on the plane and you're
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like there's all these greatthings that I learned about
David Goliath while I was flyingon this plane.
I was, and he just been kind ofgiving me tidbits over the last
few months he preached it to theyouth and he was kind of
telling us how that went andsome of the questions that they
had asked.
And so now to finally get this,the full picture of this sermon
that you've really been workingthrough over the last like
(33:45):
three or like, maybe like threeor four months.
I'm so glad.
Selena (33:49):
I'm glad.
Pastor Ryan (33:51):
And you will die with your God.
It's not if your God is notYahweh right.
Another big piece is adults,right Men, taking responsibility
to what they should be.
Imran (34:05):
Yeah.
Pastor Ryan (34:06):
Right.
Part of the reason our cultureis the way it is is just a
failure of adults to takeresponsibility.
Imran (34:11):
Yeah.
Pastor Ryan (34:12):
They have not assumed responsibility of what
they they need to takeresponsibility for, and people
need to start being moreresponsible, not just in their
faith, but in everything.
Right, yeah, and so you know inmarriage, like the amount of
people who do not takeappropriate responsibility as a
husband or a wife even the waythe English is written take
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responsibility.
Imran (34:36):
It's not a way to you'll fall into responsibility or just
give it.
No, it says go out and takeresponsibility.
It's like you know what youshould be taking responsibility
over that, whether it be yourkids, your marriage, your job,
your, your church life, yourinner thoughts, all that.
It's like, okay, go out andtake it, actually take ownership
and do the work and do thethings that you need to do to
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take that responsibility.
Pastor Ryan (35:00):
Right, right.
But to summarize though back on, you know, real Bible stories
brand here.
Not really one about giants,right, it's one about men with
great stature, experience, andwho are well equipped, but not
well equipped, experienced orstature, to fight the fights
(35:21):
that need to happen.
Yeah, right, and you could sayit to underdog story.
But Goliath's the underdog,right, because he's the one
who's standing in defianceagainst the one true God versus,
you know, adopting his.
There's no other way that couldhave happened.
Imran (35:37):
Yeah.
Pastor Ryan (35:37):
You know what I mean.
Like when you stand like thatin defiance against, against God
, you get crushed.
Imran (35:43):
You know what I'm saying, like what happens.
Pastor Ryan (35:45):
Like God's not going to surrender his character
for the sake of you going onand living in your rebellion.
Yeah Right.
If you give him that ultimatum,right, this is what happens you
die with your God.
You're already beheaded, youknow.
So my point being is I hopethat this has helped mature
people a little bit.
Imran (36:04):
Yeah.
Pastor Ryan (36:05):
Into the story of David and Goliath instead of it
just being this, you know, pickpocket story of go defeat your
giants.
It wasn't really about Daviddefeating his giant Go have
faith.
It was about God's peoplefighting the fight.
God told him, this is fightingGod's fights, yep, the way he
told us to put on the full armorof the Lord.
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It's about responsibility.
That that's honestly what thiswhole thing is.
Just about takingresponsibility.
Imran (36:30):
Absolutely All right, Ryan.
Thank you so much for teachingus today.
Selena, thanks for hanging out,missed you guys.
Selena (36:37):
Yeah, it's been a bit.
We got to do this more often.
Yeah, it's always.
I don't know what the word is.
It's like feeling.
Imran (36:46):
Yeah, if you feel You're juveniles, yeah, yeah.
Selena (36:49):
Yeah, even if it's like intense, it's like okay, this is
good.
Like you said, it's much better.
Yeah, I feel filled.
Imran (36:56):
I feel like I'm going into the week with the right
mindset and I hope that you alllistening are also filled and
continue.
It's deep right, so you cankeep thinking about it, keep
working through it as you gothrough the week, like I don't
expect you to sit here for anhour and a half and just like go
all at once.
Even when I listen back tothese, I listen over the course
of the week and I engage withthat throughout the time.
(37:18):
So I hope you are enjoying ourdiscussion today and we'll see
you next week.
Selena (37:25):
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