Ep 81 Born of Water and the Spirit: The Reality of Transformation with Set Free Church

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Imran (00:04):
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We've got Pastor Nick andNathan from Set Free Church in
Wonder Valley here with us today, and so, before we even get
into it, I actually have to makesure I say hey to my wife over
here, selena.

Selena (00:44):
Hey.

Imran (00:45):
And then I do want to get you know all the chance to say
hey.
So Pastor Nick say hey, hey,and Nathan say hey, hello, hey.
So welcome to Real BibleStories.
If this is your first timetuning in, this is going to be a
deep Bible study, a lot morethan just the surface level that
you get.
Not surface level, but likewhat you can really fit into a
typical sermon.
This long form Bible study justgives us a chance to really

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dive much deeper into the wordand really pull out some of the
nuance and wonder that that'sdefinitely in the scripture, but
again, you just can't reallyfit it into yeah you just can't
fit it into a normal Sundaymorning.
So, pastor, nick and Nathan,they're coming from one of the
most unique churches I've everbeen to and ever been a part of,

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and so thankful to be able togo to and be a part of Set Free
Church in Wonder Valley.
Can you explain what Set Freeis and what the mission is of
that church?

Pastor Nick (01:36):
So Set Free Church to me is and not just to me, but
what I was taught, and it is aliving organism really.
I mean of new believers, ofbacksliders, of people that are

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just on the highways and thebyways of life and that God has
a calling on their life.
And every pastor I know that isa pastor of a Set Free Church
has came from some kind of darkbackground and history of being
part of the world, being part ofthe old man in a very intense

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way.
And so Set Free Church is achurch first, and we were
evangelistic.
We want to get the gospel out,the good news out Jesus to the
streets, and.
But we have a lot of differentministries underneath the church
.
And I would have to say one ofour biggest ministries

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underneath the church is thediscipleship ministry and that
that is actually what feeds thechurch.
The Jesus said that you know,the harvest is plentiful but the
labors are few.
You know, and I believe, thatour harvest comes from the

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discipleship the future pastors,the future worship leaders, the
future, the future of otherchurches, not just Set Free
Churches but other churches, youknow.
And so the discipleship iswhere other churches get planted
from and how we how we do thediscipleship?
Is we outreach, outreach?

Selena (03:26):
outreach, outreach.

And our target, really our target is addicts,
alcoholics, homeless people thatare full of themselves, people
that are full of work,workaholics that have have
worked theirself to a point oflosing their wife, their
children, gamblers.
You know all the people thatdid.

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I believe Jesus would have satwith, yeah, the center.
You know what I mean.

Imran (03:54):
I want to just describe like, because I think that the
look of of you two gentlemen, isjust also one of the most
incredible realities.
That shows kind of your faithjourney just in how you carry
yourself.
Because so we record thispodcast out on the base and on
the Marine Corps base here in 29Palms.
And as I was coming off baseyou see these gentlemen rolling

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up in their blacked out HarleyDavidson huge bikes parked up
right next to the gate, in therein there in their all black
garb and their and theirmotorcycle jackets.
But so on the surface you maylook out, and I'm sure the gate
guards that were there were likeoh no, what is coming up to the
gate right?

Selena (04:32):
now.

Imran (04:32):
Right, they've got tattoos and all this and so it's
like a look.
But if you look closer you cansee Jesus and everything about
how they look.
If you look at their theirjackets that they're wearing, it
says set free church.
On it it says one pastor youknow on your jacket.

Selena (04:49):
Jesus first.

Imran (04:51):
Jesus first on it, and so it's like, if you, at a glance
you might be like oh, those are,so it's the biker crew.
These guys are up to no good,blah, blah, blah.
But if you, if you, if you lookfor longer than a second,
you'll see that.
Wait a minute, these guys aredifferent.
These guys are unique, right,and it's the same way I feel

(05:12):
about about some Marines is likeMarines, we wear the same
uniform, we all try to look asuniform as possible, but when a
Marine opens their mouth, like,you can tell different Marines
apart from each other, right?
Those that came from like apretty good background really
are drinking the Kool-Aid andthose that are being like really
combative and rebelliousagainst the organization.

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And you can also usually tellthose that are faithful, apart
from those that are doingwhatever they want, right?
So even though that surfacelook is there, if you look a
little bit deeper you can, youcan pull a lot out of it, and so
I think set free church is suchan awesome church because of
how you said, your mission is togo to the alcoholics or drug
addicts, stuff like that.
I feel like palms Baptistchurch might be a little too

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prim and proper sometimes beable to go out and talk to those
people and even myself, like Idon't know how to go out and
talk to those people, but thosepeople, some of them, are a part
of the kingdom and are alreadyone to the kingdom and the
commission tells us to go outand minister them and to serve
them and to bring them in, and alot of churches, I think,

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struggle with that, a lot ofpeople who struggle with that,
and you'll excel and haveperfected that.

Selena (06:20):
Yeah, I mean the community like sees you guys out
there, like we'll be just likeout and about in our day and
then we'll know, like set freewas here, I was like that's
incredible.
Yeah, something else thatstands out to me about your
church is the passion.
It's such raw passion and likejust we were there yesterday,

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wasn't yesterday.
Yeah, oh, no, Saturday Saturdaywith your leaders, just like
they are so in love with Jesus,and it pours out from them, and
so that's something that Iadmire about you guys and the
church.

Well, thank you so much.
It's so, it's so awesome.
Pastor David in the Palms hasjust been such a big part of
what we're doing out here,because it's, you know, he told
me.
He said just keep doing whatyou're doing because there's no
other churches doing what you'redoing.
Absolutely, you know, and justto have his support, because

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he's been here for a long timeand I feel like Pastor David has
been in here for like 25 yearsprobably.
Yeah, there's a few veterans,veteran pastors in this town,
and Pastor David's one of them,and so to have and to have him
and to be partnered with, andjust that you guys are a sister
church and I feel that you know,and it's just, it's beautiful

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thing.
It's such a beautiful thingbecause our guys when they go
into the Palms church they feelright at home.
And they, you know, and someother.
Some other members might belike what the heck's going on?
Cause our guys are loud andthey got that passion and
there's just.

Imran (08:00):
I don't think a single member is like what the heck's
going?

Selena (08:04):
on.
They're like oh, thank goodnessSomeone brought the real
Baptist in and we can actuallystart worshiping God correctly.

You know, and so yeah, man, and so, like getting
back to the discipleship, it's,it's set up as a.
The first phase is just meetingJesus.
Yeah, you know the first phase,and yeah, cause you literally
pull them into the community.

Imran (08:25):
You've got the ranch now, yeah, you literally will find
people that are in these direstraits and and and minister to
them and then bring them in andactually help like detox them
and get them on the right track.
Come home.

Come home.
See that that's.
That's the part, too, that youknow we have an advantage.
God gave us an advantage thatother churches don't have.
As far as hey, come home, wemake sure that we have a place
to bring them, and, and.
But the other churches do havethat.
Once we get connected withother churches now, the ranch is
theirs too.

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Come home, let's.
I got a place that we could go,where you could get away from
all this.
Yeah, you know, and, and, and.
I think that is cause somepeople are so.
They have, they've triedeverything, they've done
everything and and, and.
But to say, hey, you, we got aplace you can go.
Come home with us.

Imran (09:15):
Yeah, yeah, you don't have to go back to that life, to
that lifestyle, yeah.

And Vegas do an outreach in Vegas.
That's a little tricky cause.
You pull up on people out thereand say come home, and you're
in a white van.

Selena (09:24):
It's, it's, it's it got scary out there, I got people
actually thinking I was tryingto traffic them and stuff.

You know there's vans like this coming around all
the time stealing people.
Oh my gosh, you know cause?
I was supposed to plant setfree Las Vegas for when I was in
Needles, so I was out there twoyears just hitting it hard in
Vegas.

Selena (09:42):
Yeah.

And and it's, it's.
It's a beast out there.
It is a beast, but God, god,brought us out here and I'm so
thankful for it.

Selena (09:48):
But there's a lot of need out here, yeah.

Absolutely, and I couldn't believe it.
You know I I God brought us tothe middle of nowhere, but
everything he's done in thesetwo years has just blown my mind
.

Imran (09:59):
You know, I blown my mind and so, yeah, that first, the
first initial phase of meetingJesus is is our, is our grand
goal of getting people thegospel and actually I think that
that is the perfect time towhat we're going to be going
into night, which is that thatrebirth, of being rebirth into
your faith yeah, because, thething about it is that people

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got to be discipled.

Nathan (10:22):
Yeah, they have to be discipled.
They can't just be okay, Iaccept you, jesus, and then walk
away and try to work on it andwork out their salvation on
their own, on their own Causethe world will poo them in all
sorts of different directions.
Yeah, it does, and so ourchurch and many other churches.
They have to be discipled.

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They have to be discipled, theyhave to be taught.
Jesus, for our church is 24,seven for these guys, you know
it's, it's um, something thathas to be driven home.
It really does.

Imran (10:54):
It's one of the uh, I think one of the hardest things
for, like, bigger churches, likemega church type stuff.
Uh, cause it's it in my eyes,it's not that you got someone to
the baptist and it's like, whatare you doing, like post
baptism, yes, what are you doingto help minister and develop
that person and help get themout of whatever they are running
they are running from to tryand run towards Christ, cause
that you need to have theresources there to actually be

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able to do that.
So, if you're just worriedabout the production and
inspiring people to, um, thepoint of revelation, um, the
revelation is just the firststep that you still have, well,
the rest of your life.
So I think that perfect time,though, to get into our text for
the day.

Yeah, and you said something that was profound a
little while ago about what wewere going to be, that we're
going to be talking about, andit's the outside, looking on the
outside of people, and then youdon't really know until the
Marines start to speak or untilwe start to say something.
It's that, it's that.
It's just like the wind.

Selena (11:56):
You know when the wind blows, you don't see the wind
yeah, but you see the tree movieand you see, you know what I
mean and we're going to be goingdeeper into that.

But it was just nice that you said that, because
it really ties in.

Imran (12:09):
So you want to start with the scripture, you want to
start with an opening, uh,opening kind of explanation
about what we're going to hit.

Nathan (12:16):
Yeah, you, you want to.
Yeah, I'll talk about it realquick.
Um, so, just to kind of pack itinto a short thing, is that, um
, nicodemus comes to Jesus inthe middle of the night and he
meets him and this question isasked to Jesus and Nicodemus
gets a response that he wasn'texpecting, you know.

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He gets a response that woulduh, for a lot of people would
have turned them away and, uh,the end result made it to where
he was frustrated and to thepoint of wait.
What are you talking about?
Everything I know is theopposite of this.
So it's.
The meaning of it is that we,we have to understand what Jesus

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is telling us when he tells usthat we have to be born again,
that we have to be able to seeGod, we have to be born again,
and then that born again is notjust a okay, like you were
explaining, not just, uh, accept, I go to the baptismal, and,
and then I walk, I walk away andit's just easy.

Imran (13:18):
And then it's just easy.
No, the real battle begins.

Nathan (13:21):
Yes, and and, and.
So that's what we're going totalk about, and and really try
to go into and see what Jesuswas saying when he said that to
Nicodemus okay, I think withthat we can start off with our
target text all right, so we'regoing to be going over John 3,
verses 1 through 21 yeah

Selena (13:39):
now.
There was a Pharisee, a mannamed Nicodemus, who was a
member of the Jewish rulingcouncil.
He came to Jesus at night andsaid Rabbi, we know that you are
a teacher who has come fromfrom God, for no one could
perform the signs you are doingif God were not with him.
Jesus replied very truly.

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I tell you, no one can see thekingdom of God unless they are
born again.
How can someone be born againwhen they are old?
Nicodemus asked surely theycannot enter a second time into
their mother's womb to be born?
Jesus answered very truly.
I tell you, no one can enterthe kingdom of God unless they

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are born of water and the spirit.
Flesh give birth, flesh givesbirth to flesh, but the spirit
gives birth to spirit.
You should not be surprised atmy saying you must be born again
.
The wind blows wherever itpleases, you hear its sound, but
you cannot tell where it comesfrom or where it is going.

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So it is with everyone born ofthe spirit.
How can this be?
Nicodemus asked you areIsrael's teacher, said Jesus.
And do you not understand thesethings?
Very truly, I tell you, we speakof what we know and we testify
to what we have seen.
But you, but still you peopledo not accept our testimony.

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I have spoken to you of earthlythings and you do not believe.
How then will you believe if Ispeak of heavenly things?
No one has ever gone into heavenexcept the one who came from
heaven, the son of man.
Just as Moses lifted up thesnake in the wilderness, so the

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man, so the son of man, must belifted up that everyone who
believes may have eternal lifein him.
For God so loved the world thathe gave his one and only son
that whoever believes in himshall not perish but have
eternal life.
For God did not send his soninto the world to condemn the

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world, but to save the worldthrough him.
Whoever believes in him is notcondemned, but whoever does not
believe stands condemned alreadybecause they have not believed
in the name of God's one andonly son.
This is the verdict light lighthas come into the world, but

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people love darkness instead oflight because their deeds were
evil.
Everyone who does evil hatesthe light and will not come into
the light for fear that theirdeeds will be exposed.
But whoever lives by the truthcomes into the light so that it
may be seen plainly that whatthey have done has been done in

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the sight of God.

Imran (16:40):
I love that.
I love that the one of the mostquoted scriptures, john 3 16,
is in this conversation and Idid not know before we started
that it was a conversationbetween Nicodemus and Jesus.

Selena (16:54):
I was today years old yeah it's and it's.

Imran (16:58):
There's always these crazy moments when we do the
podcast, where, like somethingthat that should be known is
revealed to me and I'm just like, why, why, why was that never
made clear to me?
Back back back when I learnedthis the first time?
You know, but you know whenyou're a kid that's like the one
of the first scriptures theyteach you.
Yeah, yeah, they don't teachyou the context behind it, but
now we're gonna get the context,yeah yeah, the scriptures

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everywhere.

I mean it's on the bottom of your french fries, it
in and out.
You know what?

Imran (17:22):
I mean yeah, jr ii and, and so but it's people I in and
out right now listening to thepodcast yeah, what, what
surprise so let's start, I guess, by uh getting into who
Nicodemus was, you know, okay,because I think that's important

(17:44):
to know.

Nathan (17:45):
Um, nicodemus is the first time that Nicodemus is
mentioned.
It's the only gospel he'smentioned in a lot of.
There's really not a lot toback up who Nicodemus was, you
know.
All there is to back up whoNicodemus was was that he was a
ruler of the jews.
He was, so he had to have beena part of the sanhedrin.
You mean okay, which was acouncil.

(18:05):
It was pretty much like thesupreme court, the great law of
the land.
Um, he would, they there was.
It was made up of 70 70.

Imran (18:15):
Yes, most of them were Sadducees, so it's more like a
senate, like, yes, like thatlevel of scope scale, yeah, and
there was uh in in littleregions.

Nathan (18:24):
There was little worse sanhedrin, the lesser sanhedrin
they were called, but this wasthe, the main sanhedrin.
Most of them were Sadducees,but the minority of them were
Pharisees.
So Nicodemus was part of thiselite rule making law like they

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kind of there.

Imran (18:45):
It was their job to interpret the scripture for the
people right and everything.
Yeah political.

It was the political, it was the spiritual.
Yeah, this is.
They took all the cases,everything that had happened
between the, the religious andand even Rome.
Rome relied on the, the rulingcourt, they relied on the
sanhedrin, rome, to keep order,you know, and and so they were.
They were hand in hand withRome, okay, you know, and to

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make sure that things were inorder and and so this is like
like he was saying the supremecourt, yeah, where all the
stuff's being handled, it's atthe sanhedrin, you know what.
I mean, and and if the fact thatthat Nicodemus is even in there
is because most of these guyswere Sadducees, were well, way
more wealthy than Pharisees.
And and the fact that Nicodemusis in there, out of what was it

(19:37):
?
Six thousand, there was aboutsix thousand Pharisees at that
time, oh my goodness.
And and the fact that Nicodemushad made it into the sanhedrin
is showing that he's, you know,he's real, prominent yes
testament to either hisfinancial success or his mental
aptitude, and even his schoolingand and exactly what we know.

(19:58):
Some of the last podcasts youguys have done have really
touched, especially the last one, yeah, on the significant
schooling that, yeah, and he'sbeen, he's one of the elite,
he's one of the elite ones andand he should yeah, yeah, and he
has.

Nathan (20:13):
He has students underneath him, you know, the
disciples yes, he has studentsunderneath him that he is
teaching.
So for him to meet with Jesuslike this and start asking
questions.
Just, it goes to show thatJesus is a greater force.
I'm drawing him in, you know,but they you're, you're correct
on that.
That was the oral law yeah youknow, as Moses went up and got

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the 10 commandments, um, they,they made sure this supreme
court, this sanhedrin, made surethat the oral law was being
followed yeah you know, theywere they, no matter what they
had to do to get fall, getfollowed.
Yeah, yeah, and that's the sadpart of it, but they, they
weren't.
They were real cleaned up.
They were real cleaned up andthey thought at what they're

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doing at the time before.
We gotta remember Jesus has notreally revealed himself in the
way of the Messiah.

Yeah, so they, they're thinking everything
they're doing is is how it needsto be done yeah, jesus was like
a huge rebel yeah, for today,establishment yes, and it's it's
crazy too, because you know atthat time how, how we were just
talking about a moment ago, howfrom the outside you know, we
don't really look the part of aChristian and and with the

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Marines, you know, you, just,you, just you don't know all the
same you don't know to the openthe mouth, but back then you
knew from the outside, yeah theydidn't.
It was better if they just werequiet.
You know what I mean?
Because they were the religiouspeople and they had everything
to show that they were therabbis, exactly, and so it's.
It's just that I was.

Imran (21:49):
I think it's interesting because it says that he met with
him at night but, like now,having the context of the last
couple episodes, it's like yeah,he might have met with him at
night, but I doubt he met withhim at night alone.
Like I'm sure Nicodemus hadsome of his disciples with him
and some of the disciples werewith Jesus and so, like you have
all like this, the scriptureobviously wasn't written by
either of them, so it was thosedisciples that were there
hearing this, that, that, thatnoted all this down you know,

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yeah, and then this scripture atthe time.

Nathan (22:14):
This we got to remember that not many of the major
miracles that we've read aboutin the gospels were done at this
time.
The only one that has been doneat this time was the water and
to wine oh, this is very early.

Imran (22:29):
This is very early means it's very early.

Nathan (22:32):
And then also, when he goes into the temple and they're
, they're selling doves andthey're doing all this, and he
flips the tables and he said howdare you turn my, my father's
house into a den of thieves, youknow?
And then he says I'm going todestroy the temple yeah you know
, and all the Sadducees andPharisees are around at this

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time and they're listening towhat he's saying and and at that
he's he's telling them look, Ican, I can rebuild in three days
you know.
And then the Sadducees andPharisees also ask him look well
, what other miracles can you do, right, to prove this?
You know, and Nicodemus had tobe around at that time yeah he

(23:15):
was.
It was a part of the rulingcouncil, so he had to be a part
around at that time.
He's not mentioned at that yeahbut then later on, he and yes,
it's written by John.
So, john, this is like thelater gospel.
You know um, one of the laterones, um.
So he meets him at night and itdoesn't really give us much
information, like if his, hisstudents were with them.
If they were not, we're kind ofleft in between a line of even

(23:38):
a testament, that he went atnight.

Imran (23:39):
Yes, he may have had some disciples with him, but he
didn't want, like the commonfolk, to see he's exactly here
going out.

He has some, he has some meeting with the rebel.
You know, he has some type ofof there's.
He wants to interrogate Jesus,but he sees what's happening.
Obviously, from the beginninghe said that he was sent from
God.
Right, he said we know thatyou're sent from God or that

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you're of God.
You know, we know, and, andfurther on, we know that Jesus
is God.
Yeah, so, and he should haveknown that through all the
scriptures also.
But he's so, there's some type.
So, whatever it was, whetherand but.
Also rabbis, they backed in.
They would go after the day wasover, because, just, we know

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our days are busy, whether ifour students take it all up or
if the, you know, the church orour jobs yeah, but that's
exactly how it was backed in.
All day long they were busy.
Rabbis was were busy, yeah,with things they had to get done
.
So at night is when they wouldgo and talk with their disciples
and they would go fellowshipand they would go and sit down
and talk about the deeper things.

(24:51):
That's good.
Okay, that would it had it takeplace.
After all, the duties were doneof the day that they would have
a little time to go let's gocheck some things out.
Time for their self.
So that could have been it, orit could have been that he was
trying to hide it from everybodyelse, that he was going to talk
to the guy that just came up inthe temple and flipped all the

(25:12):
tables yeah you know, because hethere.
It could have been a coupledifferent things it doesn't
specifically say, but it'sprofound to me that at the end
of the scriptures, around verse2021, it starts talking about
light and darkness.
Yeah, starts talking about dayand night.
You know, and, and and.
People refused that.
They're in the, they walk inthe darkness, they walk in the

(25:33):
night, they refuse to come tothe light yeah so it's kind of
like almost like he's rebukinghim at the end.

Imran (25:39):
Yeah, you know it's like you come here at night.
Ask me these questions when youcould have come in the day and
we could have all learned.

Nathan (25:44):
Yeah, so, and and it wasn't only just the sanhedrin
he was scared of, of themfinding out, if that be the case
, about him meeting with Jesusum, he was a real influential
man you know his name meant umvictory of the people, so he had
admiration among all people.

(26:05):
They looked at this man as ateacher, a great teacher great
real.

Imran (26:09):
Israel teacher Jesus he thinks is refers to as his rose
teacher.

Nathan (26:13):
Yeah, so he's gonna start losing his students he has
a lot to lose.
He has a lot to lose if thisman is really the messiah yeah
if this man has really been sentfrom God.
There's a lot of things inquestion there.
If it was a sanhedrin he'sscared of, if it's him losing

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his student and there's so manythings that he has to lose in
this but he's not willing toforfeit what he knows yeah,
absolutely so we're gonna readI'm gonna go to, let's see.

(26:53):
So we gotta.
We're gonna go to the partwhere it's talking about born
again now um, I want to, I wantto mention a few more things
here.

Um, okay, that we, we for kind of didn't mention.
I I want to that we see here inthe beginning that nicodemus
wanted to frame thisconversation.
He wanted to kind of questionJesus.
Yeah, you know, but as we'rewe're going into Jesus totally

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flipped, flipped the script onhim.
Yeah, you know, and this washis moment, he planned it out,
he was going to meet Jesus atnight, he was going to frame the
conversation and he was gonna.
He's the theological man here,you know, and there's no uh
rabbi above him.
He is the rabbi rabbis you know,what I mean, and to go and, and
, and it's just, it's crazy howhe was.

(27:45):
He was, he wanted to guide thequestions, but in the first
sentence jesus spoke and he, heseized the.
It seems that he seized it allyeah, there's no and and and he
was just nicodemus.
I could just picture him atnight like scratching his head,
like be wielded, yeah, bewielded at his his statement

(28:06):
here, and, and this is thestatement that we're going into
our and there's a point it's.

Nathan (28:12):
It's kind of sad.
It is because I wouldn't betroubled if I found out that
everything I've learned andknown is not the way to do it,
if jesus were to come back inanother way than I know him and
I know he's not going to.
But if just to go that directionin a few seconds, for a few
seconds, if I was taughtsomething completely different

(28:34):
of how it's supposed to be andjesus met me face to face and I
didn't understand what he wassaying, I would be troubled.
It's it's.
It's sad for nicodemus thathe's learned something his whole
life and he's lived by thesebecause he has been following
the law yeah, but it has beenthen you have the, the Torah law
, and then you have all the orallaw and all the additional was

(28:57):
613I think, 613 additional laws
that he's been, you know,teaching, following, following,
and even though his appearanceoutside, inside is there's a
dirty rag.
You know, we know that, and weknow what jesus also said to
about the Pharisees andSadducees.
You know, but he can'tunderstand.
He's so stuck in his, hisunderstanding of what he thought

(29:20):
it was and not to say that it'snot the, the law, but jesus
saying look it's, you have to,you have to be born again, you,
your whole way.
It's not enough just to changeyour moral behavior yeah, it's
not enough to die, it's notenough to change your
personality.
It's not enough to change yourrules.

(29:41):
It's not enough to change whoyou're around.
It's not enough to become arabbi.
It's not enough to become apastor you have to be born again
yeah.
And that whole concept of beingborn again is, I think, in our
generation, and many generationsis taken so lightly.
It's taken lightly because wedon't take the time to explain

(30:02):
to our fellow brothers andsisters what that means and what
that looks like.

Imran (30:05):
I think we fail to really explain what God's really
demanding.
It's not a little bit of you orsome of your time, or just go
ahead and pray, or just come tochurch on Sunday or just give
your tithe.

No, he demands your entire life and how you
approach everything the worldand schools and social media and
everything I mean everything.
It conditions people to thinkthat they were raised this way,
that this is how it is and I wasjust raised that way, or these
things that as growing up thatyou're kind of made to believe

(30:41):
that this is who you are, so bethe best at who you are and what
Jesus is saying.
No, you have to totally get ridof that and be born again.

Imran (30:52):
Yeah.

It still kind of sounds crazy to me.
Yeah, yeah, it's supposed toyeah, because it's supernatural.

Nathan (31:02):
It's not supposed to be something natural, it's supposed
to be something born anew, isborn above, born from heaven,
Born again, born anew.
That's we have to become.
We have to become new from dayone, baby, infant, and we have
to become that.
And so and he pops thisquestion to Nicodemus you have

(31:26):
to be born again, and then hesays how can you come out of a
how?
How's that?

Imran (31:34):
possible.
You completely derailedeverything that Nicodemus came
up there.
He's like wait a second.
What do you mean?

born again, yeah yeah, and it's like I don't
wanna sit here and say thatshame on Nicodemus, shame on him
.
He should have understood.

Imran (31:52):
I feel like it's a perfectly rational line of
questioning to be like what doyou mean born again?
Cause I think even today, ifyou said that to a non-believer,
their first response is gonnabe like what do you mean born
again?
I don't think that's a thing,man.

Nathan (32:08):
Yeah, and the sad part is that in science class you can
say that too, sometimes a lotof church members.
You know the actual, truemeaning of being born again.

Imran (32:16):
Yeah, turn around, come out of your way and then go in
the opposite direction, headtowards Christ and stop trying
to do life your own way.

Nathan (32:22):
And we've talked about this and I love that we're
coming to this tonight, becausethe church has failed in a lot
of times in this and just tryingto bring people, bring people
fill seats and give them a show,a spectacle, itching ears, and
we've tried to even to our youth.
You know, let's go to theseconcerts and these moving stuff

(32:44):
and we wanna entertain them, youknow, but it's like no, we need
to teach them repentance.
We need to build theirfoundation on Jesus, on Christ,
I mean and let them know whatborn again really means and how
it has to be that way or they'llfall away, cause the statistics
just show that people that arefalling away left and right, and

(33:04):
it's we fell on that they don'tunderstand.

Imran (33:08):
They fell in love with the show and not in love with
Christ.
They fell in love with thesmoke machine and the lights and
not with Christ.
They felt inspired by the music, not by the Holy.

Selena (33:16):
Spirit.

Imran (33:17):
So you have to be very, as a church, very cognizant and
very careful with God's children.
You've been given that specialtrust and confidence to disciple
them, not to inspire them.
The word's inspiring enough.

Yeah, you know.
So at the same time, here we'relooking at someone that knew he
knew the word from everythingup to Matthew, everything up to
the New Testament.
This guy should know, you know.
And so we're looking at notjust know but memorize.
Not just memorize but alsoteaching.

(33:52):
We don't even know how manyguys he had under him, how many
disciples, how many people thatwere under him that he was
teaching the word to.
And so this was burned into him.
It should have been burned intohis memory and everything.
And then so we have this guythat should have known, but then
we also have this guy that, atthis time, he's one of the first
people that Jesus is callingout and saying look, I'm about

(34:16):
to turn your world upside down.
Yeah, I'm about to turn yourthinking and what you're doing
upside down.
So you look at, on one side ofit it's like gosh, he should
have known.
But on the other side it's likeman, he was the first guy that
he kind of he flipped the tables, he did these, he changed water
and wine.

Imran (34:31):
Yeah, cause it happened so early in his history.

This is the third chapter, you know, and it's like
third chapter of John, and soyou gotta give the guys some
credit.
But at the same time we gottabe aware that if we're
practicing these things, ifwe're memorizing verses, and if
we're looking into this and wewanna teach other people
underneath us, we gotta makesure that it's a heart condition
and not a head condition.

Nathan (34:55):
I like that, yeah, and it's important to know that
Jesus, always when he's meetingwith someone, he's talking to
them in the way that they'llunderstand, like Peter and Simon
, the miracle was the fish.
The miracle was the fish thatthey drew in, you know, cast
your net to the other side.

(35:15):
And he's talking to Nicodemusin something he'll understand
when he says you have to be bornagain, you know, and he,
nicodemus, should have realizedwhat he was talking about.
He should have, but he was sojust taken over by self, by self
.
And that's where I think I waslistening to one of the podcasts

(35:37):
.
And religion is good.
You guys are saying religion isgood to a if it's done right,
you know if it's done right.
But the religion they werepracticing was self.
What can I do to make me better?
You know?

Imran (35:52):
As long as America, baby, yeah, yeah as long as God, but
America's religion.

Nathan (35:56):
What can I do to make me look better?
Get more.
I'm gonna follow this, this andthis.

Imran (36:01):
I'm gonna check it out, you know.

Nathan (36:02):
Yeah, and that's hard to get rid of.

Imran (36:05):
That is a hard thing to get rid of.
You're like born into it andconditioned all through school
to.
You know you got to work hardin school so you can go to the
best schools, so you can make asmuch money as you can, so you
can buy whatever you want.
You know, and it's a there's nodiscussion really, unless your
school is, you know, likeactually deliberately doing that
, to really teach you communityservice, teach you community

(36:26):
involvement, teach you to serveothers.
You know.
Yes, it's all focused on justyourself.

Yeah, pride, and you know we were back last year.
We were doing our Bible study,our church Bible study, and I
think we were going throughTimothy and Titus and all that
and looking at the early churchand what was going on back then.
And you know a lot of peoplewant to say, well, I'm not.

(36:51):
I'm not of Jewish descent.
You know, and I've heard a lotof people in church, you know I
can relate more with theGentiles.
You know I came to God.
I was against him and then Icame to God.
But we're America and thechurch is sometimes
pharistopical, you know.

Selena (37:10):
We could relate with.

We relate more with the Pharisees sometimes, and
people of this world relate alot with what was happening, and
Jesus is in his ministry.
That's where he's doing themost correcting yeah is with the
church, is with the religiousfolk, you know, and so it's just
something to look at, but Ithink we should venture into the

(37:31):
question.

Nathan (37:32):
Yeah, he says in on Reef .
For verse three he says Jesusreplied very truly.
I told you no one can see thekingdom of God unless they were
born again.
He uses that born again rightthere and then he goes a second
time once.
Nicodemus kind of responds andwhat we're talking about?
How can someone be born whenthey're old?
And Jesus answered very truly Itell you, no one can enter the

(37:55):
kingdom of God unless they'reborn of water and the spirit.

So born of water?
Yeah, so what comes to yourguys' minds when you think born
of water?

Selena (38:08):
I was taught to say baptism.

Imran (38:13):
Oh, I was gonna say after birth, like literally, like
when someone's born, you guysboth did.

You guys both said the most perfect things you
could have said, because for thelongest time I would have
thought you know, my water brokethe water of the baby a natural
birth.
I also baptism came to mind too, but we're gonna dive deeper
into, because those arepossibilities.
Those are possibilities andthose are something that we

(38:42):
would think it would be, butthere's something much deeper
here.

Nathan (38:45):
Yes, given the person his audience.
Yes, you have to look at theaudience of Jesus right here.
Like I was talking earlier,when he's talking to Peter and
Simon, he's using fishinganalogies.
Right, Come with me, I'll makeyou fishers and men.
He's using something they know.
When he drew me to him, he usedsomething I knew, just like

(39:07):
probably you guys too.
He met me personally, you know,and with Nicodemus he's meeting
him with something he knowswhat does.

Nicodemus know.

Imran (39:16):
He knows the scripture.

He knows the scripture, so it has to be
somewhere in scripture what thewater represents, right.

Nathan (39:23):
So we'll talk about first.
Let's talk about let's see thebaptism.
The baptism is.
I thought it was baptism tooand I thought it.
Then I kind of got swayed tothe natural birth and then, as I
started looking and praying andtrying to seek God in it, he
showed me that why the one we'regonna talk about makes more

(39:49):
sense Because, all right, let'ssee baptism.
If Jesus already said bornagain, you have to be born again
.
Never does he say that baptismis thing that makes you born
again.
Okay, baptism is a thing ofsanctification and outward

(40:10):
representation of what thechange that already happened
right.

Imran (40:14):
So it's the thing that triggered the change.
Yeah, baptism would come afterthe born again.

Nathan (40:18):
After the born again, you know, anytime he says go
make disciples of all nations,right, baptize him.
So the disciple making is first, then the baptism is always
secondly.
So when he said born again, heputs the water and the spirit
into the born again thing.
They come together, they haveto be those.

(40:38):
Two have to be one in order foryou to be born again.
You know.

So I'm gonna talk, cause natural was my, that was
my when we got dove deep into itand we're praying on it and
thinking about it.
That was I mean natural birth,the water, you know what I mean.
That was my thing and so.
But okay, so we're talkingabout being born again, right?
So if we're talking about bornagain, then it should have

(41:03):
nothing to do with our firstbirth, right?
And our first birth.
So we've already been naturallyborn.
Yeah, if Jesus is saying youmust be born again by water and
spirit, if we've already beenborn by water, why would that
even be in the question of beingborn again?
Yeah, that makes sense Becausewe've already been that.
That was our first birth.
So he's, by saying born again,he's left our first birth in the

(41:24):
past, exactly.

Nathan (41:26):
Yeah, and also at this time, we gotta understand, at
this time, the language theyused.
You know, like right now wewanna say being born of water,
right?

Imran (41:37):
Unless you're literally gonna go be in a tub.
In a tub, yeah the kiddie poolsright, oh my gosh, oh my gosh.

Nathan (41:44):
But neither did they at this time.
They didn't say born of water.
I mean referring to naturalbirth.
At this time, no Pharisees,sadducees, jew Gentile would say
born of water.
That wouldn't be like a phrase.

Imran (42:02):
Yeah.

Nathan (42:02):
Nicodemus.
One understanding we've seen atthat time you know.
And then back to the baptismpart.
The baptism, the baptism,always we know baptism with the
Holy Spirit and that's where alot of people get that kinda.

(42:23):
That comes into there.
But we know the baptism part.
It really doesn't save you.
Jesus didn't even.
The only reason he went to goget baptized is because he had
to follow the law completely.
That's the only reason itwasn't because, oh, I got saved,
I need to go get baptized.
You mean, now, I totally agreewith baptism, given you're saved

(42:44):
, given you were already bornagain.
We had this guy yesterday atour church and he's gotten saved
, he's.
We prayed with him yesterdayand he denounced some Santaria,
he denounced Santa morte.
He you know, we prayed hard forhim anoints him and but he's
gonna get baptized next week,you know.

(43:04):
So he has to be cleansed first.
First, yeah.
He has to.
He's accepted Jesus, he knowshe's gonna.
He's born anew, he's he's.
But he also has to denounce.
Before you have outwardproclamation, you know, before
the baptism, and so that's thosetwo things, the baptism and the
born of water, are still a lotof people think they are and

(43:30):
they seem to be right until youstart looking at what Jesus was
saying to Nicodemus.

Imran (43:36):
Hmm, and what, what?
You got me a nervousanticipation here.
Well, that's good.

That's good because you know it was just beautiful
when we dug into it and and I,totally I, I believe it's, it's
what God said, and havingNicodemus.
So should we go to the?

Nathan (43:54):
scripture If you want to read it.

Selena Ezekiel 36, 25.

Nathan (44:02):
25 through.
Let's see right here.

Imran (44:09):
Ezekiel what 36.
36, 25.

Nathan (44:15):
Through.

Imran (44:22):
You gotta love it.
You want me to take it.

Selena (44:23):
You gotta go ahead.
You have it easier on yourtablet.

Imran (44:27):
Yeah, right, it's through 27.
25 to 27.
Yep, so Ezekiel 36, 25 to 27.
I'm reading through theAmerican standard version right
now.
So, and I will sprinkle cleanwater upon you and he shall be
clean from all your filthinessand from all your idols.
I will cleanse you.
A new heart also I will giveyou, and a new spirit will I put

(44:50):
within you and I will take awaythe stony heart out of your
flesh and I will give you aheart of flesh.
Oh and oh and 27.
Yep, and I will put my spiritwithin you and cause you to walk
in my stat, in my statues or mystatuses, status no statues,
yeah, statues, yep statues, andyou shall keep mine ordinances

(45:13):
and do them All right.
That's actually super direct.

Nathan (45:17):
Yes, and it's proper.

And the first, the first verse.
I mean that's the highlight ofit.
I will sprinkle clean water onyou.

Nathan (45:25):
And it cleans you, to cleanse you, and you shall be
clean from all your filthinessand from all your idols, and I
will cleanse you.
Yeah, because that's the bigproblem nowadays is that we have
brought our idols to the church, into the church.
We have brought our idols intothe church and we still have our
idols in our hearts and we havenot been been born again by

(45:49):
water and the spirit, you know.
And so he's talking toNicodemus somewhere, he'll know.

Imran (45:57):
He should know Ezekiel, he should know what this
prophecy is and now that we'vedone this episode on all the
levels of schooling thateveryone would have gotten like
absolutely you would have knownthe prophecies of Ezekiel 100%
and this part of Ezekiel.

The rabbis would know Absolutely.
And this part of Ezekiel is thebig.
It rings a bell for me.
You know, and I don't know theOld Testament by heart, memorize
none of that, but these two,this area in Ezekiel is big time
area.
It's the valley of dry bones,it's when you know God really
showed off in these, in theseverses, here.
This is Israel's rest,restoration and how God is

(46:34):
speaking, prophecy and what'sgoing to happen and what he's
going to do for his people, andso for someone to be in question
that he sent from God.
It should match up here, thedots should be connecting here
somehow, when he starts talkingabout water and spirit, because
water and spirit are all overthese Old Testament verses,

(46:54):
right here, nice.

Nathan (46:56):
Yeah, and he.
What's Jesus's response when hestill don't understand?
Aren't you a teacher?

Imran (47:02):
at Israel.
No, you should know what I'mtalking about.

Nathan (47:05):
You're a teacher, you teach the scriptures.

Imran (47:07):
You should know where this is coming from you should
know where this is coming from.
You should have no excuse wherethis is coming from, and Jesus
answers a lot of questions thatway as well, like Ryan always
talks about.
I mean, maybe it's a commonpastor phrase of scripture
interpret scripture, and Jesusactually does that a lot.
As he's teaching what becomesthe New Testament, he is

(47:29):
constantly referring back toprophecy and how he's fulfilling
prophecy, how what he's doingis completely in line with what
they've been memorizing andlearning up to this point.
I'm he.
I'm the guy you've been waitingfor.
I'm just trying to explain toyou something that should be
obvious.

Nathan (47:45):
Yeah.

And it's so.
It's so something that just hitme.
It's so beautiful how Jesusmeets everyone where they're at.

Selena (47:55):
Yeah.

And that's that's.
We're big on that too, meetingpeople where they're at, because
you see it, when he's out therewith the woman at the well, you
know these, these people, thatthat really need Jesus.
Anything he says, I the sick,don't the sick need a doctor.
The healthy, the healthy don'tneed a doctor.
I came, I came for those thatyou know.

(48:17):
And so most of the time whenhe's referring to prophecy, it's
to the church, it's to thereligious folk he's trying to
say look, remember what you'resaying, like you know and so he
don't want to get.

Nathan (48:30):
He can't give it all to Nicodemus you know right, he
can't say OK, remember.
And Ezekiel, when he said thiswas like what would be the point
.
You know he needs him to bereally born again.
You know, being born again islike a realization within our
own heart.
Yeah, you know, a confessionwithin our own heart.
You know, before God, andfeeling sorry before God.

(48:53):
You know, like God I'm so, I'mso sorry for the things I've
done, the idols that I'vecarried around, how far I've
been from you.

Selena (49:02):
Yeah.

Nathan (49:02):
I've been cut off from you, and that was Nicodemus shot
, but he couldn't look past it.
He could not look past it, andso yeah that's huge.
Yeah, and I I looked throughthat and I am like, wow, yeah,
nicodemus should have known, heshould have known, and so we
look a little deeper, into 25.

I will sprinkle clean water on you and you will
be clean.
I will cleanse you from all ofyour impurities and from your
idols.
So when I when I'm thinkingabout water, I'm thinking about
his breath.
You know the.
I'm thinking about his spokenword, what he speaks, the

(49:44):
scriptures, the word that we'rewashed, because you've heard it
before washed in the word, youknow we wash ourselves in the
word.
This word is what penetratesour hearts and turns us to him,
and so I just I gotta agree nowthat the water would be the
cleansing of God and thecleansing of his word, just

(50:08):
hitting my heart, hitting myheart and changing me from the
inside out.

Imran (50:14):
I think that that's such a clear and obvious thing to it
as well, that the people thatare truly in the word all the
time are the ones that you seebeing sent sanctified the
fastest, I would say, like theirlives are changing the quickest
, they're turning away fromtheir idols with the most energy
and the most vigor, becausethey're constantly in the word

(50:36):
and that word is cleansing them.
Yes, this, I don't rememberexactly how, how Pastor David or
said it, but basically it'sthat, like sin is incompatible
with, with with God.
So if you're surroundingyourself with God's word, then
sin will will naturally go away,because sin is not compatible

(50:58):
with you, can't have the.
There's no cohabitation.
You know there will always beconflict within you as long as
you allow sin to have root andcontrol over you.
Not saying you're not going tosin because we're we're friable
beings, but you allowing, you'regonna have a place in your
heart.
It means that you're basicallysaying that the Holy Spirit
doesn't have a place in yourheart, because the Holy Spirit's
not going to dwell where you'veallowed sin to dwell.

Yes, exactly, and there's a fight.
There's a fight that'shappening and you're declaring
victory over over your sin.
God has victory, and it's nolonger this, this unremorseful
battle of you not caring careand because his word is telling
you, it's washing you, and and,and so I just yeah.

Nathan (51:42):
And in Ezekiel he says at the end of that, in verse 27,
.
He says my spirit will lead youto follow my decrees.
Right, I think that's what itsaid.
Let me go back to it.
Yeah, yeah, I said and I willput my spirit in you and move
you to follow my decrees and becareful to keep my laws.
So that's, that's what thespirit does nowadays.
The spirit in the Old Testamentwould be upon people.

(52:05):
You know it wouldn't be inpeople, you know.

Imran (52:09):
So now his spirit is a prophecy of saying he's going to
put his spirit in us to move us.

Nathan (52:14):
What's the spirit due to us now?
His spirit moves us in and itleads us into our helper and
comforter, right when Jesus left.
He's sending you someone.
You know, don't worry, I'msending my comforter, you know,
my helper.
And that's what the spirit doesnow for us.
It leads us in the law, in thelaw of God yeah, we were still
to to follow the law, see, andthat's where we kind of get

(52:38):
mixed up and I try to tell talkto everybody about this is that
when we read the Sermon on theMount, it's kind of a little bit
more intense than the TenCommandments.

Imran (52:47):
Yeah, it is because, everything.

Nathan (52:49):
Jesus says, is took into a higher standard.

Imran (52:52):
Yeah, and that's what we talked about in the end of our
Galatians series of fruit of thespirit acts of the flesh.
Yeah, it's that like graceabounds, all the more.
Yeah, you know.
So if the threshold was give atenth, well, grace means give
far above a tenth, exactly Right.
If the law is saying don't.
I think the other example wegave us of the law says don't

(53:15):
lust after someone like Jesusgoes above and says if you look
at someone with lust, wise,you've already said exactly.
So the threshold is so muchhigher, yeah, and so we think
that like, hey, I'm not underthe law, I can do whatever you
want.
It's like no, no, no, no,you're not under the law, you're
, you're above the law, you'reyou're.
The expectation is even higher.
Now, this is the, the standardthat that that you're being held

(53:36):
to is even higher.

Nathan (53:36):
Yes, and we don't have to be troubled.
We don't have to be troubled,though, because we have a God in
us.

Yeah, you know, we have God in us.
That's the point here.
It's like if I'm just trying totake myself back and I'm
thinking, okay, this is, youknow, of course they had it
memorized, but this would havebeen like in my, in my
phylactery, or in my somethingon my, somewhere in my stuff, as

(54:04):
Nicodemus thinking okay, thisis the scripture I'm waiting for
.
Yeah, you know, this is thescripture where it says God is
going to put his spirit in me.
Yeah, you know, and it's likeI've been watching the Red Sea,
I've been watching these, theseacts of God move through the
burning bush, through throughthese other situations of his
spirit being upon things andpeople, but it's actually says

(54:26):
that his spirit is going to bein us, you know, and so it seems
like this is one of thedefining verses that Nicodemus
should have been like okay, Iget it, I understand to be born
again is to, to, to have bewashed by you and by, sprinkled
by your words, sprinkled by you,and to have your spirit put in
in the cleanse.

Imran (54:45):
You cleansed, you know, and but you know it's, it's then
again that's awesome becausethen it's like it kind of
rephrases, reframes that whole,the whole verse there where,
instead of it being you're like,you're born again by water and
the spirit, and it's like, well,the water is the word and the

(55:05):
spirit is God putting a spiritin you.
So you're born again by yes, byliterally by God's word and him
putting a spirit within you bythese two, so he's doing it all.

Yeah, it's really him.

Imran (55:16):
Yeah, you were born again because he's in you again he's
wearing you again, and this ishow he's going to do it, and
it's it's also.
I love this because, even ifthis is just the only point we
get today, I've never had such apractical one to one
explanation of what does itphysically mean to be born again
.

Selena (55:36):
Yeah.

Imran (55:37):
And that is, here's, a physical answer of what it means
to be born again.
You are cleansed by his wordand you're filled with his
spirit.
Yes, and that is.
And once you are cleansed byhis word and filled by his
spirit, you are born again andthat's from the mouth.

Nathan (55:48):
You can go get that from Jesus's mouth.
I mean, that's, that's from his, that's what he's telling us.
You know, not anybody else.

He wants us to be, so it takes away all self there.

Imran (55:58):
Yeah, yeah, it takes away and it is on a cleanse by his
word and filled by his spirit,and so that is, and then he's
bearing you again, that's mighthave been

something that Nicodemus was struggling with
the self righteousness.
It's hard to understand thatand even in my, my, my old ways
and my old pride and and, andit's like man, I it's.
That's a struggle to believe,you know, because so many of us
we want to.
Those are so freeing it is, itis, but at the same time, people

(56:28):
want credit for things.
Yeah, people want to know thatthey're being a good Christian.
I want you know what I mean andit's like I want to know you
know, but the fact of the matteris I'm not.
I'm not because I'm born again.
This is him doing this.
Yeah this is him.
And today I went to the ranchand one of the brothers pulled

(56:50):
me aside and he said pastor, Ijust want to thank you.
I want to thank you because youyou what you did for me and my
family this weekend.
And it's like, bro, I you'rewelcome, but I'm telling you,
bro, like I wanted to wait outof my way if it wasn't for Jesus
leading me through this.
Yeah exactly Because, you know,there was a situation to where

(57:11):
this man he came from banningand a pastor set free banning
pastor brought him out and he'sbeen with us for about a almost
a month now yeah, about that,about a month and his fiance was
living with their mother in lawand and it just broke loose
there.
It broke loose there.

(57:32):
They have a brand new newbornbaby and they have an older son
and, and, and you know, hecalled me in the office a few
days ago and he said, pastor, Ineed, I need to figure this out.
My, my, my fiance's got to go.
Can she go to needles, to thewomen and children's home set
for you?
And you got to understand, like,that's not how most men react

(57:54):
to a situation where they're,they're, they're significant
other and their children arefalling apart out there.
Yeah, usually the topic ispastor, I'm sorry, thank you for
all your help, but I got to gotake care of my family.
That's usually what it is and,by natural instinct as a man,
that's what it should be.
Yeah, but I seen the spirit.
I seen that this man was bornagain.

(58:14):
Yeah when he pulled me in and healready had the answer.
And it's so crazy because I wasoutside and my brother came to
me and he said Nick, we need totalk to Kyle, and the Sunday
before that she had came tochurch, we had anointed her, we
had prayed some things outbecause we already know there
was problems there and and sowhen he said Kyle needs to talk
to you, the first thing thatcame to my head was needles she

(58:35):
needs to go to the woman andchildren's home and needles.
And he proposed me with thatquestion and when, when things
work out like that, it's it'speople are born again, you know,
and I had to explain that.
It's like, bro, like this.
Isn't you got to give God thisglory?
It's not me, you know, eventhough my flesh is like well,
you know.
I did do a good job getting herout there this weekend with

(58:57):
everything going on and you know, but that's something that's
something Nicodemus would havedone.

Nathan (59:03):
Yes, no, we do that.

Imran (59:04):
Right.
This is like maybe like 10 or15 episodes ago, but he brought
up that if you go somewhere andand you're really in the spirit,
you're really filled with thespirit throughout the day and
you're looking at life throughGod's eyes, all right, when you
look at someone in need and youhave that thought of like
someone should do somethingabout that, it's like that's

(59:25):
probably because the Holy Spiritis telling you that you're
supposed to be the one doingsomething about that.
So exactly, you know, it's likethat tug in your heart is like
man, I really hope someone doessomething about that.
Like Holy Spirit is probablysaying hey, you're there, I put
you there to go do somethingabout that.
So go handle that situation.
Yeah, you know.
But the other part of it, too,is that pride.
That pride piece is real.
I had to take a few months offof being on stage and worship

(59:50):
because I realized that I wasnot doing it for God, I was
doing it for for myself and Ihad to take some time to just go
into the back and just do soundfor a few months and just just
be there and support the worship.
And being there and mentoringand teaching the team that was
there really helped open my eyesof this is it's a service.

(01:00:13):
It's a service to the kingdom,it's not about me.

Selena (01:00:16):
Yeah.

Imran (01:00:16):
Right and and it was only through that that I was able to
get the gain, the confidenceback to, to be able to have my
heart in the right place whileengaging in worship on stage.

Pastor Nick (01:00:26):
Yeah, and those are the things that show the.
The show the born again.
They show that we are bornagain, you know, and so I think
that that will lead us into ourright into it, right into our
next point here of the wind.
Yeah, the wind and the spirit,and so we've talked about being

(01:00:47):
born of the water.
We've came to the conclusionthat that has to do with God's
word the cleansing sprinkling ofGod's word upon our hearts.
Yeah now we're going to go into.
Born of the spirit.

Nathan (01:00:58):
Yeah, and Jesus.
He answered him again.
This is very truly, I tell youno one can enter the kingdom of
God unless they're born of water, in the spirit.
Flash gives birth to flesh, butthe spirit gives birth to
spirit.
You should not be surprised, amI saying you must be born again
.
The wind blows wherever itpleases, you hear it sound, but

(01:01:18):
So it is with everyone born ofthe spirit.
I thought it's kind of hard toreally know what language they
were talking here.
A lot of people think that theywere talking in Hebrew, but
Jesus really didn't speak a lotof Hebrew.

(01:01:39):
Oh, interesting, yeah, he a lotof Aramaic he's spoken.
Yes, now, nicodemus spokeHebrew, so Jesus would have been
able to understand some of it.
Of course, god himself wouldhave been able to understand all
of it, but so the context of itis like, okay, what language

(01:01:59):
are they speaking?
Because Jesus also spoke topeople in Greek.
So Greek, Hebrew, aramaic.
So, what is the what is theseare?

Imran (01:02:09):
all I never really thought about.
Jesus being knowing threelanguages, yeah, and what they
really think about him speakingEnglish.

Selena (01:02:16):
Exactly, honestly I do.

I mean it's like clearly all the time, but he
meets me where I'm at, so we canwe find that example in the
cross right.

Nathan (01:02:24):
They put three different languages up to right.

Selena (01:02:26):
Remember they wrote King of the Jews in one of the three
different languages, the threelanguages that he was accustomed
to.

Nathan (01:02:33):
Oh, wow, yeah, and that was because the part about it is
that all these different peoplewere right there.

Imran (01:02:38):
Yeah, am I.

Nathan (01:02:39):
Greek and Jews.
That was a language that werebeing spoken at that time.
Yeah, but so when he's saying,when he's saying the wind, you,
when the wind blows wherever itpleases, you hear it sound, but
So is everyone born in thespirit?
I thought it'd be fast.

(01:03:01):
It was really fascinating whenI found out that in Greek,
aramaic and Hebrew, the word forwind also means spirit and
breath.
Oh and all three languages.
So no matter what the languagesare the same meaning.
So Nicodemus wouldn't have beenconfused at all.
Not at all.
Yeah, the Greek word was panoais for wind and is wind, spirit

(01:03:27):
and breath.
Is God who created the wind andcontrols it?
Raha means spirit and a windand breath and air make.
And Raqqa, pronounced Rukqa, isthe Hebrew word for spirit,
breath and wind.
When spoken, the word engagesone's breath and lungs.
So no matter what the languagethey're speaking, it was the

(01:03:48):
same thing they were talkingabout.
The wind in the Bible is asymbol of a bunch of different
things.
It's an unstoppable force, it'sintense, you know.

Imran (01:03:57):
Yeah.

We talk about the wind all the time Like even if
we know anything out here weknow about the wind.

Imran (01:04:03):
Yeah, out here in 20 miles.
We know about the wind A fewdays ago.

Yeah, and you know my first year out here.
I wasn't accustomed to the windout here and we had bought a
trampoline for our kids.

Nathan (01:04:14):
Yeah, and a big mistake yeah.

We still got one now.
But now it's anchored down Liketotally cemented in and like
it's our second trampoline intwo years.
So we know what to do now.
But that trampoline went justblowing and it almost came into
the side of our trailer, youknow, but yeah.

Selena (01:04:34):
It lands on some people's houses over here when
they don't know.
Yeah.
It's like who's trampoliningthis on top of my roof?

Imran (01:04:40):
Our yard is actually downwind generally and downhill,
so we'll get like people'sAmazon boxes, lawn furniture,
pillows and stuff.
We'll just end up in our yardand caught up Because we've got
like the bushes and stuff andstuff will just get caught up
back there.
Yeah, and like I think therewas at least one time we had to
put something on online I thinkit was like a pillow or

(01:05:01):
something and we're like hey,does this belong to anyone?

Selena (01:05:04):
Yeah.

Imran (01:05:04):
And they came and just got it one day, while we it just
left it in the yard and one dayit was gone.
So we assumed they came andgrabbed it.

Yeah, and so like, like this topic of the wind when
Jesus.
It's crazy too, because Iunderstand that part of being
born again a lot more than thewater, the spirit Interesting.
The spirit part I understand.
You know, and I have understoodit for a long time, that I have
to be born of his spirit.
It's like the wind, I can'treally see it, but I could see
the effects of it.

(01:05:30):
Yeah, you know, and so Iunderstand that, and I think
Nicodemus probably understoodthat.

Nathan (01:05:35):
a little bit.
Yeah, you would.
You would think, you know, Ialso just to let you guys know,
don't ever try to do an oilchange in the wind, oh my really
, it's not really fun.
I tried to do that yesterday butI've seen the effects of it.
You know I did too, yeah, beingunderneath the car up on Jack
Stanz and was like whoa onesecond, yeah, but that's the,

(01:05:56):
that's the.
The meaning of this is that youknow, you, you, you can't
really, you can't see the spirit, but you can see the aftermath.
You can see the effects of it.
Yes, you can see the aftermath.
Sometimes it's you see liveschange.

Imran (01:06:08):
Yes, you see the world moving forward through God's
power.

Nathan (01:06:11):
Yeah, and for many different Christians it's
different.
You know, for me it was intense.
I went from serving Nordic gods, nordic idols, like old gang
life, to serving Jesus.
Like you know, like that it wasintense, it was.
It was.
The aftermath was intense.
You can see the effect, but forsome people it's subtle.

Imran (01:06:34):
Yeah.

Nathan (01:06:34):
You know it's a.
It's a light breeze, you know,but you can still see the
effects of it.
You know, and that's what he'ssaying here.
Is that, look, you know, you,you can't see where the wind is.
You mean, because you onlycould see the aftermath of it.

Yeah, and it just brings into more confirmation
and it just you know that it's,it's a faith it's about.
It's a lot about faith.
Jesus is a lot about faith andand and believing the things
that we are so accustomed to notbelieving because we can't see

(01:07:07):
them, and, and I believe cultureand and, even back then it's
it's.
People have always believed thethings that they could see from
the garden.

Selena (01:07:19):
Yeah.

Yeah, you know what the questioning and you know is
it really, you know what I mean.
And let's see, let's, let's testit for ourselves, let's check
it out.
If we see it's bad, then we'llmake the decisions.
If it's bad or not, you know,and it's like it's.
That's what humans are about,and and when Jesus comes and he
flips everything upside down,it's hard to understand.

(01:07:42):
It's hard to understand.
That's why I think faith, itjust really comes in the picture
here and that and through thewind story, through him saying
look the wind.
You can't see it, but you couldsee what happens from it.
Yes, and so I.

Nathan (01:07:55):
So, after the after, you are being washed and cleansed
and your idols purified and youwalking in newness of life,
being born from heaven.
I find it really fascinatingthat Jesus came from heaven to
be born of flesh.
We were born of flesh but haveto be reborn of heaven.
You know, and it's just this,this ultimate meeting of the

(01:08:18):
middle of God and man beingdrawn back together, and in that
he's the sanctification part,starts here.
It starts here.
We says you'll see the effectsif they've born again was really
true, you know, you'll see theeffects of it.

And just to, to kind of where you see this, this
, because so we've talked aboutthe water, we've talked about be
cleansed in the word, we'vejust touched on the spirit and
and the wind and the effects,and and that it's all God, it's.
It's him speaking his word, himpouring his word and then him

(01:09:00):
coming into, to be in us, to tocarry out that word and then and
so to to meet that all it's.
It's like a, it's a mindblowing thing, even for me to
understand right now, eventhough I've had a radical
abandonment of my old self andit's and it's.
I'm a totally different personthan what I, what I was, and I

(01:09:22):
believe I am born again.
And and and because, but stillit's like whoa, this is, this is
intense, this is intense, why,why and then, and so that kind
of goes into our, our, ourposition, our position.
And I don't want to go too farinto sanctification quite yet,
because I think that that couldbe our next, our next podcast

(01:09:46):
next week, but I think that ourlast point of John 3, 16 speaks
of that.
Yeah, it speaks of why me, whydo I have to be born again?
Why, why does this even?
For what reason?
Yeah, absolutely.
For what reason here Do I haveto be washed?
For what reason do I have tohave God operate in me?

(01:10:08):
Why am I being brought to God?

Nathan (01:10:11):
Yeah, by God, yeah, and because and I and I love that,
now that I've gotten deeper intoknowing who Jesus is like, you
know, the more and more you getto know Jesus, the more and more
you get to know His thoughts.
You know, you, you start to yeahyou start to feel and
understand what he would thinkabout a certain situation, when

(01:10:32):
you're in His word, when you'releaning on His spirit, when
you're walking with Him, andit's like I've heard John 3, 16.
I don't know how many times,but I've never read before and I
never read after.
You know, and they don't, andafter his time.

Imran (01:10:45):
It's like.
It's like the Philippians.
I think what Philippians fourto do is like I can do all
things through Christ four, 13.

Yeah, and there's so many verses like that.
The big one for me would beJeremiah 29 11.
Yeah, you know which was that,for I know the plans I have for
you, plans to prosper you andnot to harm you.
Have plans to give you a futureand a hope.
At the beginning, that's all Iever heard from my mother and
and from being wrote andincarcerated, reading it at the
bottom of letters and, and so Iheld on to that verse.

(01:11:12):
But there's so much more inthose verses.

Nathan (01:11:15):
Yeah.

So much more that if you read a little bit above
and a little bit below, youstart to love the depth and the
content you live in those versesnow, and now you understand
that those verses don't reallycome to play, unless you are
born again and you startsearching them out.

Nathan (01:11:30):
Yeah, and I get what you're saying.
What were you saying aboutPhilippians four 13?

Selena (01:11:35):
Yeah.

Imran (01:11:36):
That like I hear that phrase all the time, I can do
all things through Christ,because it's made people who
have bumper stickers, tattoos,you know, buttons on their, on
their backpacks and stuff, butbut you asked them it's like,
well, what's the rest of thechapter about?

Selena (01:11:49):
Yes, and that was all right when he was writing in
prison and talking about howlike okay he was like with his
situation.

Yeah, contentment, yeah, through his suffering.

Nathan (01:12:02):
Yeah, I can do I can, I can suffer well through Christ.
Yeah, you know, and just likeuh, jeremiah twenty nine eleven.
Right after that it says uh,then you will call me and come
to me and pray and we'll listento me.
You will seek me and find me.
When you seek me with all yourheart People don't like to read
the verse right after If youseek me with all your heart,

(01:12:22):
yeah, there's an if there, thenyou'll have a future.

Imran (01:12:24):
Then you'll have a future .
No, then you'll have hope.
You know that's.
That's the thing which is I tryto put.
If, then, statements on God but, you know God, I could do all
things God has the authority toput.
If, then, statements on us yes.

I could do all things through Christ, who
strengthens me.
He wasn't.
Paul wasn't filling out a jobapplication to make more money
here.
Yeah, he was talking aboutsuffering.
I could suffer through anythingif Jesus is in me.

Nathan (01:12:44):
You know, yeah, he was confessing that, you know, and
proclaiming that that, no matterwhat his situation, no matter
in chains, or he said if I'mshipwrecked or if I'm without,
or whatever I am, I'm all right.

Selena (01:12:57):
Yeah.

Nathan (01:12:58):
I'm all right because in Christ is the one that
strengthens me, you know.
And so with John 3, 16, rightafter that, he's saying look
they afraid to come to lightbecause they don't want their
deeds exposed.
You know, they're afraid to dothis because they don't want
their deeds exposed.
Darkness and how light havenothing to gather.
So I think it's just a bigthing to read the whole chapter.

(01:13:19):
We got to teach the people, ourbrothers and sisters, when
we're trying to disciple, andonce they're born again, once
they've been washed in thespirit and washed in the water
and cleansed, and once they have, we have seen the effect, to
teach them to read the word, toreally read the word.

And I just, I just love that.
I love that it is.
He's telling he's finishing uphere with Nicodemus and
Nicodemus is just bewildered,he's stumped, he's scratching
his head.
He is not, he's totally lostnow.
He thought he was going to havecontrol of this conversation
and that's it's like Jesusderailed it in the first.

Imran (01:14:11):
his first response yeah.

And so what a loving, what a loving savior
that he runs into this verse ofone of the most profound verses
for God.
So love the world, you know.
And and he explains to him, hekind of he's easing off now a
little bit.
You know, I sense him kind ofeasing off Nicodemus and he's
like look, even though you don'tunderstand this, there's still

(01:14:34):
hope for you.
There's still hope for you, andand and the crazy part about
Nicodemus is we don't ever hearif he was born again or not.

Nathan (01:14:43):
No, you know, we don't ever we see some stuff happening
.

We we seen, so the first.

Nathan (01:14:51):
This is the first thing.
The second thing was he spokeup in the middle of the council
saying should we condemn a manwithout first examining him,
when, when?

Jesus was arrested and brought as a blasphemer
before Pilate he was there.

Nathan (01:15:05):
He spoke up for not spoke up for Jesus in a way like
, oh I know this man's innocent.
But he said wait a second,should?
We can't condemn him withoutfirst examining him.
So he tried to prevent it in away that he wanted to examine
him first and then the thirdtime.

Pastor, yeah, he.
So the third time was whenJesus, he gave money, I mean he
gave the aloe and the mirror andthe heat for Jesus to be buried
, cleaned him and Joseph, theguy, the rich guy that they had
the tomb, Remember Joseph andNicodemus.
And so Nicodemus gave to theburial, Kind of took care of

(01:15:44):
funeral costs in a sense and so,but you really don't see a
radical sanctification here.
You don't see that he got tothe point of he understood, and
it's kind of scary in a sensebecause he got involved a little
bit but he didn't go.
It doesn't to me it doesn't seemlike he dove all the way deep
and he really accepted a savior.

Nathan (01:16:06):
Yeah.

Imran (01:16:07):
That's interesting.
I mean, obviously we don't haveall the every moment of his
life.
Even on his death bed he couldhave been like yeah, yeah, yeah,
exactly, and I'm not sayingit's for sure, but it leaves me.

It leaves me like man.
Today is the day.

Nathan (01:16:22):
Yeah.

Today is the day of salvation, because I don't want
to get questioned and think Iknow something.
And then, all of a sudden, I'mleft pouring in my life savings
to act like I was.
You don't, you understand what?
I'm saying here yeah, becauseit's to kind of ease off of him
at the end and say no one hasever gone to heaven except the

(01:16:44):
one who came from heaven, theSon of man.
And then he explains Moses alittle bit and then right after
that he gives him theopportunity.
It's almost like he says thisis your opportunity, nicodemus,
this is what you have to do.
And so he, he spoke to him theway that he thought that he
believed he would understand.
Yeah, even though he alreadyknew he's God.

(01:17:07):
Obviously he already knew itwas going to happen, but he kind
of gave that opportunity.
I mean, what scriptures use themost to get people saved?
I mean, the scripture thatchanged my heart was John 3.16.
Yeah For God, so love the world.
That showed me that God waslove and even though I was a
part of the world, he wanted me.
Yeah, you know, and it's so.

(01:17:28):
It's almost like Jesus isgiving, he is almost leading him
through the ultimate sinner'sprayer here right now.
Look at, this is what you haveto do the everyone who believes
may have eternal life.
And then he goes into John 3.16.

Selena (01:17:41):
Yeah.

So it's like he's given him the opportunity and I,
and so it's just, it'sbeautiful to me, yeah.

Imran (01:17:47):
And isn't that crazy though that that is that one of
the most prolific and iconicscriptures that have come out of
the word, like Jesus, give thesermon on the mount.
He fed the 5000 and was givinga sermon when he fed them.
He taught as he was in a boat,talking to the, talking to the
legions of people, and one ofthe most prolific scriptures

(01:18:09):
that have saved so many lives isone that was that he gave to a
man that questioned him in thenight.

Nathan (01:18:16):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, and there wasn't many cases with
this guy, nicodemus.
He wasn't mentioned again.
He wasn't like a big time saintin the Bible and you know.
So, yeah, it's, it's reallyphenomenal that we get to pull
from this story and reallyunderstand.
And then I just like to, as wewere talking a little bit ago

(01:18:41):
about John 316 and how we liketo remember that scripture and
we like to live by thatscripture, I want to point out
another scripture that is also a316, but it's a revelations 316
.
Huh, and it's a scripture thatI think we need to know in this,

(01:19:03):
in this born again topic.
It says Revelations 316.

Imran (01:19:10):
I love it.
I love it already, yeah, yeah.

Nathan (01:19:13):
It's to the church of Lucida, to the angel of the
church of Lucida, right.
These are the words of the amen, the faithful and true witness,
the ruler of God's creation.
I know your deeds, that you areneither cold nor hot.
I wish you were either one orthe other.
So because you are lukewarm,neither hot nor cold, I am about

(01:19:36):
to spit you out of my mouth,and I love that because that's
revelation 316.
Yeah, like knowing John, 316 isreally phenomenal.
I know God loved the world and Iknow that if I believe on him,
that I'll have eternal life.
But also I need to be really inthis.
I need to really be born again.

Imran (01:19:54):
I think the next verse after that is also a huge wake
up call to you.
You say I am rich, I haveacquired wealth and do not need
a thing, but you do not realizethat you are wretched, pitiful,
poor, blind and naked.

And this scripture was very big in my walk with
Jesus, because I was, my coverswere pulled, there was no more
faking it anymore.
I prayed for him to take me outof me.
I prayed that I didn't have todo this anymore.

(01:20:29):
And but as I was in my, when Ibecame born again, he called me
out on this scripture inrevelations and he said look,
you're not gonna be Nicodemusand you're not gonna sit on the
fence anymore.
You know, and, and I believeNicodemus was kind of like a
fence sitter.
He kind of he sat there and hebelieved a little bit, but then

(01:20:50):
he did it and he's like just,you know, and so this scripture
right here is is for the fencesitter, for the lukewarm, for
the one that you know I don't, Idon't know I'm born again, but
you know, I feel like that Istill need to do this or I still
need to do that, or when itfeels good, or when it Feels
right.
You know, and it's like I'lluse these scriptures to my

(01:21:11):
benefit and when, when, whenthings, and so I just it's so
profound that that's a 316 andthat goes along with it.
You know, like, once you'reborn again, you, you gotta, you
gotta, give it all yeah, there'sno, you can't, just it's, it's
all his, my life is his for hisglory.
and whatever I do, you know, andthis, even even in this man, I

(01:21:36):
at first I'm like man, this is,this is new.
You know, this podcast doingthis, I don't, you know, I'm not
, I'm not used to this, you know.
But.
But God says, whatever it is,it's gonna be for me.
Yeah, so just do it, and, and,and, and, you know, said Imran
didn't when when he came topreach at your church with no
lights, that was new for him.

(01:21:59):
He did it, you know and he wasshowing me these things if we're
in a body of believers, we'regonna do things that they're new
to us, because God God's gonnaget the glory.
You know no man and that's mylife for him, that's our life
for him, and and so I'm just,I'm excited, man, yeah, if
someone's gonna hear this andmaybe they can relate with, with

(01:22:20):
us coming from the the darkbackground of of gangs and and
and really false idols of Vikinggods and all that stuff and and
just really getting saved andand porn again to a new life.
And yes, and and it's beautiful.
And so I think I think, nextweek, talking about the position

(01:22:41):
, because John 3, 16 tells usour position, our position in
heaven, if we, if we believe, wehave a position, if we believe
and we're born again, if webelieve in Jesus, that he has
came from God, that gives us ourposition, that sanctifies us,
where we're set apart, we, weknow we've been washed, we know

(01:23:01):
that we've we've had the spiritput upon us and so we're
sanctified.
But I believe that next week wecan go deeper into Positional
sanctification and progressivesanctification.
Yes, because it's a progressingprocess of that.
And so I think, um, yeah,that's awesome gentlemen.

Imran (01:23:21):
Oh, thank you so much for coming on.

Yes.

Selena (01:23:23):
Thank you, I know it was a you didn't like Know.

Imran (01:23:26):
A podcast existed two weeks ago and then now you're
like seven episodes into a lotof stories.
You're on a podcast, but Ithink that, uh, I'd like to
leave, just to stay in thespirit of the, of giving some of
the context surrounding theverses.
So we talked about the.
I will cleanse you of all yourimpurities, and through the,

(01:23:48):
through the water and throughthe Spirit.
But I want to just read somemore of that Ezekiel 36, because
, as I'm reading through one,you also just read Ezekiel,
because this is crazy.

Yes, yes, you got it, it's.
You got to dive deeper toEzekiel, because this is the
Valley of dry bones andeverything, and so go ahead.

Imran (01:24:05):
I just want to read a little bit.
I'm gonna start at verse 22,and I just want you all to just
hear the prophecy that is beinggiven to the people of Israel,
because it's so intense and soreal for our lives today, and
and what God's mission really is.
Therefore, say to theIsraelites this is what the
sovereign Lord says to you.
It is not for your sake, peopleof Israel, that I'm going to do

(01:24:27):
these things, but for the sakeof my holy name, which you have
profaned among the nations whenyou have gone, I will show the
holiness of my great name, whichhas been profaned among the
nations, the name you haveprofaned among them.
Then the nations will know thatI am the Lord, declares a
sovereign Lord, when I am provedholy Through you, before their

(01:24:49):
eyes.
For I will take you out of thenations.
I will gather you from all thecountries and bring you back
into our, into your own land.
I will sprinkle clean water onyou and you will be clean.
I will cleanse you from allimpurities and From all your
idols.
I will give you a new heart andput a new spirit within you.
I will remove you from yourheart of stone and give you a

(01:25:12):
heart of flesh, and I will putmy spirit in you and move you to
follow my decrees and becareful to keep my laws.
Then you will live in the landI give your, I gave your
ancestors, you will be my peopleand I will be your God.
And he closes with this.
I think this is intense too.
I will save you from all youruncleanness.
I will call for the grain andmake it plentiful and will not

(01:25:36):
bring famine upon you.
I will increase the fruit ofthe trees and the crops of the
field so that you will no longersuffer disgrace among the
nations because of famine.
Then you will remember yourevil ways, your wicked deeds,
and you will loathe yourselvesfor your sins and detestable
practices.
I want you to know that I amnot, that I am not doing this
for your sake.
Declare the sovereign Lord, beashamed and be disgraced for

(01:26:00):
your conduct.
People of Israel, right and so.
That is so intense for mebecause it really highlights
that it is God's not doing this.
He, god, loved the world and hecame and he and he gave his
only begotten son.
But it was to show hisrighteousness, his glory, his
honor, and we are his chosenpeople that he's going to use to

(01:26:21):
show his glory, his honor andhis righteousness.
So don't ever get it twisted.
He, god's not living, livinghis eternity for you.
No, you're in service to himExactly.

And it's just, it's mind-blowing to think that you
know for Nicodemus, this wasMemorized for him.

Selena (01:26:40):
Yeah, he had to memorize your wickedness.

It was a part of his memorization.
He, he included himself as thepeople of God, the Israel, yeah,
you know, and and the teacherof Israel at that.
So.

Imran (01:26:52):
Yes, gracious, yeah, so I think with that We'll leave it
there.
Hopefully that inspires you allto break open up Ezekiel and
just listen to that some more asyou go Through the week and
also read through the book ofJohn, read through the Gospels.
If you haven't reallyUnderstood the life, the whole
life of Jesus played out overthe course of the Gospels.
Like, take some time and andactually like you can Turn on an

(01:27:14):
audio, an audio book of theBible, and listen to it and it's
intense as you go through.
But um, again, gentlemen, thankyou so much.
I'm super excited for us doingthis again next week.
This has been awesome.

Yes, thank you for having us.

Imran (01:27:26):
We're honored, yeah and so, with that, we'll see you all
next week on the next episodeof real Bible stories.

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