Ep 83 The Real Power of Sanctification Through Life and Testimony - A Continued Discussion With Set Free Church - Real Bible Stories - A Bible Study Podcast

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Imran (00:05):
Hello and welcome to Real Bible Stories.
Join us as we deep dive intothe historic, religious,
cultural, political andemotional context surrounding
the real lives of real people inthe Bible and the stories we've
all grown to love.
Hello and welcome to Real BibleStories.
So if you haven't jumped intopart one that we released last

(00:28):
week, I highly recommend you goahead and do that.
If you've already listened topart one of our discussion on
sanctification with Set FreeChurch, then you're in the right
place.
So this is going to be part twoof that discussion.
So I am your host, Emron Ward,and you're going to be hearing
the voice of my wife, Selena,and our two guest teachers,

(00:48):
Pastor Nick and Nathan from SetFree Church in Wonder Valley.
All right, so I hope you allenjoyed this discussion.
This second part is going toget emotional and it's going to
get really deep and I hope youstick through the whole thing.
It's going to be so good, Allright, so I hope you all enjoyed

(01:10):
this discussion.
We're jumping right into it.
So if you're like, I don't know, let's go back to part one,
Make sure you take a listen tothat as well.
All right, thank you all forjoining us.

Nathan (01:21):
So Matthew in 1323,.
He also says but he whoreceived the seed on good ground
is he who hears the word andwhat understands it.
He who indeed bears fruitproduces some 100 fold, some 60
and some 30.
So we got to hear the word.
We have intentionally set thatare hearing aside, it has to be

(01:44):
set apart for God's work butthey hear the word in order to
understand it, in order to getit out there.
That is one of the biggestfundamental things of being
sanctified, being consecrated tothe Lord, is that everything we
do, everything we hear, has tocome from God first.
You know, whether it beedification from someone, a

(02:06):
sermon from my pastor, a podcastfrom my brother, whatever we do
, we have to know that we'rewaiting for something to be
spoken from the Lord.

Pastor David (02:16):
Yes, listening, listen, listen, listen.
It's such a good thing to do,especially you know, and it's
hard to learn.
You know, for me it was hard tolearn for my wife listening to
my wife, because I have aproblem trying to fix everything
.

Imran (02:30):
Yeah, I think that's a very, very manly thing.
To just like, instead of my orour counselor talks to us, talk
to us about that of like.
You know, you can't just tryand rescue like she'll tell me.
You can't just try and rescuelike sometimes you just got to
listen and be patient listen tounderstand exactly because it's

(02:51):
really hard sometimes tounderstand.

But when I really listen intently, intensively,
and I'm not intentionallyintentionally, and I'm listening
to really try to understand, mywife and I've married just such
a picture of Jesus and us, andJesus uses that reference so
often.
And that's what it is.
And so my, my, my marriage, andI'm starting to learn a lot

(03:14):
more.
It's how my relationship iswith God and my relationship
with her, you know.
And so when I, when I'mlistening to understand her, I'm
, I'm, I'm thinking of every waythat I can not try to figure it
out myself.

Imran (03:29):
Yeah.

You know, and and that's how it should be when
we're listening to God's word,we're really wanting to listen
to for what he says, and notsuch a hurry to get his work
done that we mess it up becausewe're doing it our own way.

Nathan (03:41):
Yeah, absolutely, and that's why the ear is the
biggest part, the first part,that is, the blood is put on.
You know, the right side,because it's all the strength.
You know, we, we do this in allour strength or we can't do it
at all.
We have to do it in all strength.
But it's not just our strength,you know, it's.
We're going to do it ineverything we have.
We're going to dedicate ourlives to him.

(04:02):
But it's his strength now,because we've been clothed in
his glory, you know, but ourbefore.
We can go on to the othermembers that were the thumb and
the toe, like we have to beknowing God, listen to them.
The more I listen to my wife andmore I talk to my wife, the
more I find out about her, andthat's the same with our Lord is

(04:24):
that the more and more welisten, the more and more we we
talk to him, the more and morewe get into fellowship with them
.
Like what you're talking about,when we're alone in our closets
, we're praying and we're we'rereceiving a word from the Lord,
like that's what I'm praying forothers to hear.

Imran (04:39):
We're praying to hear what?

Nathan (04:40):
Christ has to say.

Imran (04:40):
Christ has to say you know, because that's what Jesus
talks about, Like not my will,but yours.
Yeah you should be mostlylistening.

Nathan (04:46):
Yeah, yeah.
So after that he takes theblood and puts it on Aaron and
his sons right thumb.
You know, and what thissignificance of this is that
service equals worship.

Imran (05:03):
Yeah.

Nathan (05:04):
Service equals worship and the service for the priests.
It was their worship to God.
It was their worship to God.
And now our worship to Godcomes from our service to those
around us, serving God andserving our community, serving
our church.
So when have we ever tried to?

(05:25):
I don't.
I have two thumbs, but it mustbe really difficult to do
anything without a thumb, youknow it's really difficult yeah.
I can only imagine, you know,just flipping through a Bible.
You know and pick up that cup ofcoffee without a drop of that,
not in your house, but anything,probably just trying to screw a

(05:46):
screw in, yeah, flippingthrough the Bible.
You know, we take it forgranted, you know, but in that
the tasks that we do in the Lordhave to be done in worship,
these, all these tasks have tobe done, anointed.
We have to be anointed by Godand living him, living through

(06:06):
us, in order to get any taskdone in him.
You know, we have to have tohave been hearing from him, we
have to be walking with them.
But our act of worship and Ithink we've gotten a lot of, and
I see it, a lot is like I loveto serve, I really love to serve
, Like I love doing things forother people and doing it onto
the Lord.
You know, I love it becauseit's, it's my, whether I have a

(06:31):
bunch of money to give someoneor not, whenever I can serve
someone, just helping them withsomething, it's a.
It's a, it's a form of worshipto my God.
You know it really is, you know.

Yeah, and one of the one of the big things we a
couple of things I want tomention here.
I was talking about it.
The motorcycle ride, forexample.
Going and doing that was wasphenomenal and I I could see
myself getting stuck in that andthe blessing of riding the bike
and and getting so caught up inthe bikes and the brotherhood

(07:03):
and all that and and becauseit's so fantastic.
But I, when I do things likethat, I really like making
breakfast for everybody.
That was my passion, like eventhough the wood didn't burn how
I wanted it to, and I could andI caught on fire.

Selena (07:18):
You did.

Well, nile's not supposed to know and you weren't
supposed to know.
But I caught on fire a littlebit.

Imran (07:24):
Oh, my God, your wife, your wife rescued me and and, oh
my God, yeah, it wasn't whenwere we doing this?

Nathan (07:31):
I don't know what were we doing.

Selena (07:32):
You were off doing the final study.

Imran (07:36):
Oh, so I was right when it got.
Oh, as well as doing while Iwas teaching.

Selena (07:40):
No, no, I'm saying you went off to to read the Bible
and prepare, yeah, yeah, themessage.

Imran (07:46):
Yeah, I went and disappeared for like 30 minutes
to just prepare myself.

Selena (07:50):
You fed us all.
We were a good amount ofnumbers.

Imran (07:53):
I will also say, yeah, that was.
It was like 28 people and Ireally appreciate that.
So this was my first time.
Well, yeah, I guess for the forthe sermon that I did the
tavern ankle, I went to work onSaturday because I had stuff to
catch up on.
I did the one thing I needed todo and then I spent like five
hours just like going throughthe material and preparing my

(08:14):
notes and all that and now andso went away on my own to just
study and like being intentionalabout it and then so I didn't
get to do that, leading up toand I know I wanted to do a
Bible study.
At least I wanted a Bible studyto be done and I didn't want to
just put it off on on you to doLike I want to continue to grow
this skill.

(08:34):
But I didn't get a chance toreally rehearse and I was like I
can't do this from the hipbecause it is going to be
insulting to just like I'll justsay whatever.
So, yeah, that's why I went offfor like 30 minutes to just
like pray and read and study,and it's like I need to make
sure that what I'm saying is notcoming just like off the top of
my head, it's actually comingfrom the Lord being intentional

(08:55):
and coming from the Lord.

You know it's exactly what we're talking about
here, and that's beautiful thatyou went and what a beautiful
spot to go away and pray.
I got, provided there was likean alcove out there.

Imran (09:07):
I didn't know, I didn't know where we were going to end
up.
I didn't know, but I knew I wasgoing to and I was hoping.
I was like, please don't justbe like an open plane and they
just see me walk off into thenothing and sit on the ground.

Nathan (09:16):
I went hiking back there and I seen you, so I went the
other way, you know, but I waslike yeah, yeah.

And so in those, in those times because I that's
that free church and at how mostchurches are, you know, you
hear about being the hands andfeet of Jesus you know, and it's
important that and to hear fromGod, but then to get to work
like you're to, to to be inservant hood, you know, and to

(09:45):
find ways like whenever.

Imran (09:48):
To actually be in service to the kingdom and not just be
a citizen of the kingdom.

Yeah, exactly, and so when I like, will we do
outreach or we do whatever we do.
I love cooking for people and Ilove that my hands could serve.

Imran (10:01):
Yeah.

You know what I mean, and so that, and even with
them, when I went with to meetwith Pastor David about the food
ministry, you know it's it wasimportant that we prayed.
It's important that we hearfrom God.
We both have been praying forthis and and we met with Paul.
Paul was there and that's hisname, correct.

Imran (10:21):
Paul Bibriasca.

Yeah, and we met with him and my mom and it was
us four and we were just talkingabout it and it's like now
we're we're hearing from God inthis, but it's going to take our
hands.
Like we're going to have tomake meals.
We're going to have to go outand deliver meals.
We're going to.
But that's what's?
That's the exciting part.
To me, it's the tangible.

Imran (10:40):
Yeah, it's Lorenda.
Our um worship leader alwayssays this phrase of like let
them, let him be the skin onJesus.
You know, like, like, we'rethat tangible expression that
other people see.
You know, they can't see ourinsides, they can't see our
heart and our organs move, butthey see the result of all that
action because they see our skinmove, they see our eyes blink
and stuff like that.

(11:00):
And so she says let him be theskin on Jesus.
And it's like that's thehighest calling.
I think you could yeah.
It's to be that that physicalexpression of God's work um on
on on this earth, and it's, andthat's what we explained to our
lead.

Nathan (11:15):
Our center for giving.
That's what we are, that we are.
Whenever someone in ourdiscipleship has a desire to
ride a motorcycle but, mostimportantly, has a desire to
follow Jesus for the rest of herlife, we let them know that
it's putting on this cut withthis patch.
This first oldest is not a stepup.
It's not you've made it.

(11:37):
It's honestly a step down youhave.
Now.
You are the first one there,you're the last one out.
We serve.
That's what we do.
We are the servants, we.
We get in there and whateverneeds to be done wherever we
find an area that needs ahelping hand.
That's where we're at.
That's what this is for.
It's not for you know to makeourselves cool.

Selena (11:56):
I love that you guys have that on your shirts.
Trained to serve Jesus.
I absolutely love that and Isee it with set free.
It's like wow.

Nathan (12:06):
Yeah, and that's what we try to do and we want to keep
doing in 29th and Paul'scommunities get out there and,
just wherever we're needed,serve.
We got you know if we can do it, we'll do it you know, and in
that it's the greatestopportunity to let them know why
we're doing.
it is because Jesus is doing itthrough us, you know, and that's

(12:26):
it's not so we can glory inourselves and not look what I've
accomplished or anything likethat.
It's that Jesus Christ hasgiven me a gift of servant.
This is a prize possession thatI can actually go into places.
I've been to city hall meetings, you know, and talk with
sheriffs and stuff Me personallyfrom my background.

(12:46):
It was really weird doing that,you know, it was really weird,
but it's Christ in me has movedme and sent me a part for a new
thing.

Selena (12:55):
All points back to Jesus .
Yes, they all points back to.

Nathan (12:57):
Jesus, and that is that is why.

My before being born again, in our old life.
You know there was communitiesthat would would come together
to try to get us kicked out ofour area of residence.
You know they would filepetitions and stuff.
There was a time in our lifewhere the whole community around
us put together a petition withthe mayor and the and the city

(13:21):
council and all this stuff inYkaipa and they put together a
whole lawsuit to get us kickedoff.
This is before, before, beforeChrist yeah way before it, jesus
15 years ago, yeah, and.
But to now be in Christ and,you know, to receive the Mayor's
Choice Award, yeah, you knew togo up there and to receive the

(13:44):
Mayor's Choice Award.
It was like, wow, god is sogood, Totally turned around my
life, and it's through hissanctification.
It's through who I am in Christ, like my position.

Imran (13:55):
It's as it goes back to that beauty is being shown
through his glory.
Yes, exactly, exactly.

Nathan (14:02):
Cause I'm rough.
You know, I got tattooseverywhere.
I you know.
But it's his glory.
It's his glory and it willforever be his glory.
It will never be my glory.
You know and I will walk inwherever we're at.
You know, and Christ is thereason I am who I am today and
will continue to carry me onthat way.

(14:22):
And that is, he is mycornerstone, he is my God, you
know, and I just love it.
That I mean, our guys loveserving, they just love serving,
they love going out there.
So that's why we do it.

Imran (14:34):
It's cause it's, that it's like we see that passion.
Yeah, you know like we see theHoly spirit going like working
through all, and you don't have,I feel and this is just an
observation, being in, I guess,a lot of churches now, cause
we've been all over the country,people generally in the church

(14:55):
want to do something.
Yes, and they're like oh, Ijust wish I could get on stage
and you know, sing and stufflike that.
And I'm like, well, do it.
You know, I was like I've heardyou sing next to me in this
aisle and you sing pretty good,like it'll go up there, do it.
And they're like oh well, I'mjust like afraid of X, y, z
thing.
It's like you're not, it's notabout you, it's not about you.

(15:15):
It's like there's a gap on thestage where worship needs to be
done and you have the skill set.
You've been given the skill,the talent to go be this, to be
like and on Jesus in this momentto you know, help with that
worship.
Or someone's like oh well, Ijust want to serve.
And it's like then go serve.
You know.
It's like, oh, I just wish thewomen's ministry or the men's

(15:36):
ministry was this is like well,go lead it.
Like clearly, you have someideas, you have some
capabilities, you have somethoughts and it's like well, go
do it.
Don't let your personal pride,don't let your shame, don't let
your fear cause.
That's all the devil's tools,right there that are holding you
back from being, from beingmore and more sanctified, from

(15:57):
being the representative, frombeing the witness, from being
that one that's going ahead, youknow.

MacArthur Wright's house.
The prior mayor, pastor Mac,and he he called me and he says
Nick, I heard, I heard SethFried does comes out and does
stuff.
He's like my backyard needshelp, you know, and he's like I
don't know if you guys canhandle it, I don't know if it's
something within your, but wewent back there and we handled

(16:28):
it and it wasn't a big deal.
We had like eight to 10 guysand he had tools and it was just
a little bit out of order, youknow.
But we just put it all in orderfor him and we served that
backyard, we served him and whenhe seen it it totally blew his
mind, you know.
And then that just started aripple effect of other
opportunities for us to go toother people's homes because

(16:52):
Mayor Mac was referring us fromin city council meetings, you
know, Saying look at these guys,if Pastor Nick, if Pastor Nick
knows a guy that will come helpyou, you know.
And so it's just been thisongoing process and I want to
believe that and you see thatintegration.

Imran (17:09):
It's like that one, like selfless act of like cause.
You could have been like.
I'm a pastor, I'm arepresentative of the kingdom, I
don't clean backyards for theirmayor, but I was there with
them doing it, you know.

Selena (17:20):
You believe I'm saying you could have said that.

Imran (17:22):
And I could promise you that a lot of Christians and
people in the community andchurch would have been like oh
yeah, that's like.
Why would he be asking a churchto come out and clean his
backyard for him?
Like that's the politician, howdare he?
But in that selfless act, godhas multiplied that, yeah, and
he In ways that we could neverhave comprehended.

Yeah, and he blessed us and it's just made a
relationship of just afriendship and a family.
It's just beautiful because wewere willing to use our hands to
the worship of God first andforemost.
You know and it's like I wantto believe that that's what the
priest felt when that blood wenton their thumb that our hands

(18:07):
are meant for God's duty.
Our hands are meant forworshiping God any way that is.
And I believe that Aaron youknow what an inspiration to
Moses he was, and just it wasAaron and so I feel it.
I feel that God has blessedthese hands, yeah, yes, and he

(18:27):
has sanctified them andconsecrated them for his service
, and I find joy in that.

Nathan (18:32):
Yeah, I do too, I do too , and wherever we're needed,
wherever we're needed, you know,I'm not the greatest singer,
but I seen a spot in the churchthat needed to be filled to sing
and I'll go up there and do it,because it's not for me, it's
not, it's not for me, I know,and sometimes it's hard and
sometimes it gets rough, but Ijust gotta remember that it's

(18:52):
for the Lord, it's for the Lord,it's to worship him and it's to
draw his people into worship.
That's what it's about.
So, wherever is needed, myhands are there, you know.

Imran (19:03):
Absolutely yeah.
So tell us more about theprocess then.
How do we actually go throughthis process?

Nathan (19:08):
So I think in this process is the first thing would
be knowing our position,knowing that once we are seated
with Christ, that we take on hisnature, you know.
So it's not just, it's nothingthat we have gotten ourselves.
You know, I'm not a naturalserver myself, I'm not a good

(19:29):
listener myself.

Imran (19:31):
I would say most human beings probably aren't natural
servers and aren't natural.

But we were created to worship.

Nathan (19:39):
We were created.

God put it in us, so once he's in us, then it
comes like natural.
Yeah, absolutely.

Nathan (19:46):
We can't do this priestly duty you can say that a
priestly duty or this Christianwalk without first taking on
Christ nature.

Imran (19:54):
Yeah, cause it doesn't make any sense without it.

Nathan (19:57):
Yeah, and in his nature he was a great server, right, oh
yeah.

Selena (20:02):
Fantastic.

Nathan (20:03):
He said I did not come to serve.

Imran (20:05):
I did not come to be served, but to serve right yeah,
washing the feet and washingthe feet like that was his he
did that, Like he said,specifically for the son of man
he did not come to serve but tobe served.

Nathan (20:16):
Yes, exactly, he did not come to be served, but to serve
.
Yes, and he also listened tothe Father, you know.
But there was another thingthat he did throughout his
ministry that was reallyimportant.
It was his walk.

I really want to hear about the great-grandto,
great-grand-grandto.
Oh my gosh.

Nathan (20:40):
Cause all these things, these listening to God, of
course, is really important.
It should be at first importantand then serving.
But what really shows peopleand shows our servanthood and
shows that we are part of thekingdom, is our walk, is that
walk.
It is the walk, it is the walk.
So, as the blood was put, doubton their right toe, it was a

(21:04):
resemblance of their walk.
Yeah, how their walk would bewith balance, with integrity,
would be on to God and that, nomatter what they were doing,
that those around them would seethat their walk was in
dedication to the Lord, thattheir life, their whole life,
would be set apart for his glory.

(21:25):
You know, every part of theirbeing would be for his glory.

The walk is kind of like the witness you know how
are you walking, are youwitnessing Jesus?
And it's just beautiful howJesus said, how blessed are the
feet that bring the gospel.

Selena (21:41):
Yes.

And yeah.
Even in the armor of God, theshod, the feet with the gospel
of peace, you know.

Selena (21:48):
Yeah.

Nathan (21:49):
And then in Matthew 5.16 , it says let your light shine
before men that they may seeyour glory and good works and
glorify your Father in heaven.
My walk wouldn't be that muchif my position wasn't Christ and
his nature in me, in how Iheard, how I served and how I

(22:11):
walked.
Yeah, you know, that is hisnature.
That is his nature that I'msetting my members aside for his
work and that's the step.
That's like the.
I think for me that is thefirst step after being born
again.
It's like, okay, I know Christ,but how does this walk work now

(22:31):
?

Selena (22:32):
Yeah.

Nathan (22:32):
You know, okay, I'm born again, but what do I do next?
I've been washing the workfilled with the Spirit.

Imran (22:39):
Yeah, but what?

Nathan (22:40):
Now what?
Yeah, well, there's a settingaside.
Yeah, there's a filling up,there's a sanctifying, and it's
realizing our position in Christ.
It's not so much that we haveto learn something new, it's
just have to understandsomething that's in us already.

Imran (22:54):
Yeah.

Nathan (22:55):
You know, and it's that immediate thing that happens
when we confess Christ and we'reborn again.
Now I'm setting aside.
God is setting aside my vesselfor a special purpose.

Imran (23:07):
Yeah, because I said I missed that first confession.
There's really that admissionthat I'm not enough.
Yeah, you know, it's like youlive your whole life thinking
that like I can do this, I cando that, I can accomplish
anything, and then you have thatbreak of like wait a minute, I
can't do anything on my own Ican't do life right, I can't do
marriage right, I can't do myjob right, I can't progress
through.
I can do my finances right, butthrough Christ I can do all

(23:30):
things.
Yeah, and that's thatconfession and that starting,
that's the importance of theHoly Spirit.

You know, because the first job of the Holy Spirit
was to convict of sin,righteousness and judgment.
And so when you get that HolySpirit in you, it's like that
Holy Spirit's the one that saysokay, it tells you that you're
not enough.

Selena (23:50):
Yeah.

You're not enough.
You're a sinner and you're notright.
Your ways have not been rightthis whole time.

Imran (23:57):
It's sour sin and it's sour sin it does.

And it's.
I'm so thankful that he left uswith that Holy Spirit and the
job of convicting sin andrighteousness and judgment Cause
.
Now we, it doesn't not makesense.
It makes perfect sense becauseit's super naturally and put it
in, imputed into us and it'slike it kind of not that.
I feel bad for the guys in theOld Testament, but it's almost

(24:24):
like man.
They were just almost stuck onposition, yeah, and they didn't
know where to go from there.

Imran (24:29):
Yeah, they were guided by the law and that was it.
Yeah, they didn't have the HolySpirit to really reveal those
acts of the flesh and throughthe work of the spirit, or in
them, you know.
Yeah.

Nathan (24:38):
And for anybody listening to this podcast.

Imran (24:41):
The works of the spirit, not the works of the spirit.
Is that?

Nathan (24:44):
once being born again, it's like I know, for me, once I
was born again, it's like wow,everything I didn't know is not
right anymore.
So, where am I left?
Yeah, where am I left?
At now, I can't do the things Iwant to do, you know?

Imran (24:58):
Yeah, right, so what am I supposed to fill this with?
Yeah, what do I?

Selena (25:01):
fill this with the new identity.

Nathan (25:03):
Well, I know that my life is supposed to be.
From what I hear, from what thepastor teaches, from what I'm
listening, what I'm reading,it's supposed to be for Gloria
God.
So how do I do this?
Well, my members have to be setaside for this purpose.
It's like how do?

Imran (25:16):
I do this and I still have to go to work the next day.
I'm still battling thisaddiction.
I'm still dealing with mybroken marriage.
I'm still dealing with kidsthat hate me.
It's like now how do I glorifyChrist and all of this
brokenness that I'm still in?
Like you wake up the next dayafter being baptized and you're
still in whatever you were inthe day before.

(25:37):
But now you recognize that howwrong it is and it's probably
pretty terrifying.

Oh, it's heartbreaking, yeah, it's
heartbreaking.
You get crushed and smasheddown on all sides, but there's a
point of repentance that has tohappen to where you're like I'm
not gonna get stuck in shame,I'm not gonna get stuck in this,
there's no more condemnation.
You hear those things as youget broken, or hopefully you're

(26:04):
hearing some of those things,because that should be the
gospel message that you'rehearing at church or that you're
hearing from pastors is.
You know, you hear of your sin,you get convicted by the Holy
Spirit, you've been saved andbaptized, and then you should be
hearing that there's nocondemnation.
Do not get stuck in that, but torepent and come to the Father

(26:24):
and come to Jesus, and so theHoly Spirit in you is like
you're my dearly beloved childand I got you Break open your
heart and I'm here, you know,cause it's that heart surgery
that comes from Jesus and theHoly Spirit and end up.
And so the important thing toknow is that once you do that,

(26:46):
once you've heard that andyou've felt that in your heart,
then it's time to set aside yourhands and set aside your feet
for the work of the Lord now,for service and worship to God,
whether it be in lifted up insurrender during worship and
during all of your life, orwhether it be getting your hands
into something that glorifiesGod.

(27:07):
And there's so many strugglesthat come along with that,
because then you get tested withyour pride, you get tested with
thinking, you're doing it, andGod humbles you.
But there's such a learningprocess when you give up your
members, your hands and yourfeet for the gospel.

Nathan (27:25):
Yeah, and it wasn't just left there, it wasn't just the
ear, the thumb and the toe, ifwe remember to the text that he
threw the blood on the altar,took some of the blood and the
oil, mix it together.

Imran (27:40):
Yeah.
The oil used to anoint thekings, yes, and the blood used
for sacrifice.

Selena (27:44):
Exactly, and he blends it together and throws it on
them.

Nathan (27:48):
The blood and doesn't anoint their head anoints their
body, their body, and that isthe clothing of Jesus' blood on
us, and it's anointing of thespirit and the blood covers yes,
and that is the perfect thingthat transition us into the
progressive.

Imran (28:04):
I never noticed it's the same verbiage yeah, covered by
the blood, like literally thepriests were covered by the
blood that was laid on the altar.

Yeah, and it was all the plan from God, all the
whole time that Jesus would comeand be the ultimate
consecration for us that hewould be the ultimate sacrifice.
You know, we see this pictureso much of animals being
sacrificed to the Lord, theblood being spilled, the blood
being spilled priests and thepeople of God.

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Knowing their position, theyknow who they are.

Imran (28:38):
Yeah.

You know they're not afraid to say it, but it
seems like they keep runninginto this wall.
What our history has proven,it's the people of God do good
for a while.

Imran (28:52):
And then they slip.
And then they know that theyknow their position.

They know that their God's people, a prophet,
would come and fire them up andeverything would go good and
they'd walk with God, they wouldlisten to his word, they would
get busy, they would serve andlove God and worship, you know.
And then all of a sudden theystart hearing and listening to
the things around them, othernations and other things, and

(29:16):
it's our history and the word ofthis thing.
It's not.
How do I explain it?
It is enough to have yourposition in heaven and your
positional sanctification, butthere has to be Jesus, and the
Holy Spirit is what brings ourprogressive in.
And that is what has made itenough is the Holy Spirit living
through us.

Nathan (29:37):
Yeah, because the blood, the blood is what cleanses our
sin right.
It's taking away our sin.
The spirit is what moves usaway from sin, continually moves
us away from sin.
Those two mixed together theblood of Christ and the spirit
of God on us is anointing iswhat helps our progressive

(29:58):
sanctification process Knowing,when that I do fall and do
stumble, that the blood hascovered that, not using that
blood as in some excuse to sinnever that but knowing that it
has covered my sin past, presentand future.
But then also the spirit that'sinside me, convicting in my sin
and walking in newness life.

Imran (30:18):
I think that it's also interesting that it's just like
the blood covering the royal,like based on the priestly
clothes and the anointing andsorry, the oil being mixed with
the blood, the oil being thatwas used to anoint kings and
being mixed as well.
That was a visualrepresentation of that process,

(30:41):
that sanctification, that beingset apart.
Yes, and it's just like how, ifwe are truly living in a
sanctified way, in a set apartway, our walk is that obvious,
should be that obviousrepresentation of that being set
apart.
We're not asked to walk aroundwith blood covered with rich

(31:03):
clothes, but we're asked to walkin a way that shows a life
filled with the spirit and itshould be just as obvious as if
you're walking around with bloodstained clothes.

Nathan (31:12):
Of course, yeah.

Yeah, and I just love the oil that represents the
Holy Spirit.
You know that, and theforeshadow of it all, that he
continued to tell people there'sprophecy after prophecy of a
coming king and that he wouldspill his blood.
You know, and it's justbeautiful to me, it's beautiful

(31:35):
to me and it kinda stirs myheart and just like I was saying
earlier, the Hebrews and thepriests and Moses, and all these
people, man, all the people ofGod, man, it's just what they
went through for us today.
You know, I know it was Jesusthat did it for us.
But all the toil and hardshipand wandering, and then for me

(32:01):
today to get all been out ofshape over something little, but
here these patriarchs of thefaith walked in the desert for
40 years, wandering andsacrificing and getting right
with God, and then not getting,and then wandering off again,
you know.
And then now we get toexperience really being born

(32:26):
again and having Jesus living inus.
And then shame on me if I getungrateful at times when I have
the spirit of God living in me.
That should be enough.
That should be enough for me towalk and to serve and to love
and to be filled.

Nathan (32:47):
Yeah, to fill the hand.
To fill the hand or fill up tobe consecrated to be set apart
to be sanctified for here's goodpurpose, you know, and in
Romans 613,.
And do not present your membersas instruments of
unrighteousness to sin, butpresent yourself to God as being
alive from the dead and yourmembers of instruments of

(33:09):
righteousness to God.
Like that is, we presentourselves every day to the Lord
of being an instrument ofrighteousness.
All our members belong to himnow, and that goes into what we
do daily.
What we do daily becauseChristians still have tendencies
, simple tendencies, evildesires lurking around the

(33:35):
corner.

Yeah, if we're not filled, yeah, one more thing
before we venture off intoprogressive, and it's about
David, king David.
One of the things he did whenhe sinned right, when he the sin
of adultery, when he was caughtin that and when he was
heartbroken over that and whenthere was real repentance in his

(33:58):
life, the word said that Davidconsecrated himself and he took
off all his clothes and hebathed himself and to
concentrate himself back to theLord.
You know, and so it's justbeautiful to me that even in the
process of acknowledging oursin, when David acknowledged his
sin, when he was confronted byGod with it, he understood that

(34:22):
he was dirty and he needed toconsecrate himself back to God,
you know, by taking his clothesoff, by bathing and becoming new
, becoming something new afterthat repentance.
And I think that's a beautifulexample of now, you know, of
walking into the progression.

Nathan (34:44):
Yeah, because this life is not.
Look, I'm saved.
Look what I'm doing now, youknow.
Look what I can do now.
God has saved me.
He had pulled me out of thatlife.
Look what I can do now.
It's more.
I'm saved now.
Look what God is doing as Icooperate, you know.

(35:07):
Look at what God is doingthrough me as I cooperate with
his spirit, as I yield to hisspirit, as I listen to his voice
, as I am being sanctified daily, even though some of the old
things the old man likes tocreep up, paul continually
talked about it.
Right, he said, not that I havereached it yet, but I press on,

(35:30):
right, nick, I press on to thegoal upward.
You know he continually talksabout it that there's this
process that we go through asChristians, that sin is lurking
at our door, waiting for who itmay devour, you know, and it's
right around the corner if we'renot in tune with the spirit.

And time and time again.
You hear Paul, you hear otherheroes in the faith, you hear
them say things that point toit's not enough just to say I'm
going to heaven, I'll be allright.
You know I got my position.
You know I'm going to heaven,so it's good.

(36:12):
You know I believe in Jesus,I'm fine, like that's the core
of it.

Imran (36:16):
Yes, that's your position is took and care of right, but
that's by no means do we go onsinning and taking our pride and
arrogance and our ways intothat, because it's so scary, and
it's also arguably like if so,I guess you may have said that
confession, but if you'rewilling to just continue a life

(36:37):
of sin, did you really make thatconfession in your heart?

Exactly, and that's why progressive
sanctification is so important,because there has to be fruit
and there has to be that lifechange that transformation, Like
how do I know I'm saved?

Imran (36:50):
It's like well, look at your life.
You can know that you're savedby looking at your own life.
Have you progressivelysanctified in your actions
through your life?
Yeah, and there's I like tocall it like that can only
happen through the Holy Spirit.
Like you, on your own you wouldjust do whatever you want.
Yeah.

Nathan (37:04):
And checking if it's like real, real godly fruit, you
know, because it can get alittle messed up sometimes,
where people can do things thatlook like they're godly.
You know and I call itartificial fruit you know that
they're good acts, you knowthey're good.

(37:25):
They're like well, just fruitsnacks.

Imran (37:27):
Yeah exactly.

Nathan (37:28):
They look good in appearance, they look like
they're fruit, but they're notfruit.
They're not fruit.
That's from the spirit, youknow.
And that's the issue at core isthat we have to daily be
becoming more and more likeJesus.
It's not so much findingsomeone new, it's really finding

(37:49):
out who we are now in the Lordyou know, and drawing that out
of us.

Selena (37:53):
Yeah.

Nathan (37:54):
And being sanctified through and through, you know,
from glory to glory.
And that's how we walk in thisnew.
We found our position in Christ.
We know that we're in him,we're clothed with him, that we,
our members, are set aside forhis glory, that now we have a
new way of life.
Okay now, what do I do as I'mwalking in Christ now and

(38:14):
something comes up and I stumbleand I fall or I get a thought
well, I should be doingsomething different.

Imran (38:22):
Yeah.

Nathan (38:23):
I should be doing something different.

Yeah, and you know positional sanctification.
Really it's justification.
You know you've been justified,you've justification, just as
if I didn't sin.
You know you've received thatmark, that seal of approval.
And so, as you walk into that,the Holy Spirit is saying this

(38:49):
isn't enough, like it is enough,but we need to change you, we
need to transform you and youneed to hold on, because this is
gonna get real.
This is gonna get deep.
It's never gonna be enough tojust be mediocre and that's why,
you see, you know some of thejust the things that are
happening here between you know,palms Church and Set Free

(39:13):
Church, just these two churches,right, just the amazing things
that are happening between usand this community, and just
it's powerful.
It's really powerful to thinkthat at the beginning I thought
how in the world am I gonnarelate with the Marine town?
How in the world am I going torelate?

Imran (39:34):
Oh my God, you know, and just crazy.
And now we talked like beforethe podcast, like how similar,
similar we are, and it's just.
It's like a bunch of 18 yearolds that came from any other
walk of life trying to integrateinto an organization that does
not stand for their nonsense,and Christ does not stand for
your nonsense.

So, and time and time again, god, jesus, the Holy
Spirit, revealed to me.
Time and time again, they showme that, hey, that's when you're
wrong.
Is, how are you gonna do this?
Because, time and time again,and my mind is blown on how it
happens, because I was trying tothink of ways, in my own ways,

(40:12):
to relate to someone else's ways.
But the Holy Spirit, I said,okay, I'm just gonna let you do
this, god, and just kind of walkthrough some things and meeting
you and doing our first thingat the church, the biker
tabernacle, and going on thatride, it just kind of opened
this, this huge door of the HolySpirit working through all of

(40:35):
us and it's just, it's beautiful, man, and so that justified
part, experiencing your positionand knowing that God has saved
you, and being broken and beingborn again and then saying you
know what, this is real, there'sno denying the Holy Spirit's
power.
It kind of leads us into thatthat.
Okay, and now there's somethings that need to change.

(40:57):
There's some things in me thatI need to change and you hear
that prayer of David that searchmy heart, oh Lord and if
there's anything in me that iscrooked or not of you, take it.
Take it from me, you know.
And so that as we're walkinginto this progressive
sanctification and knowing thatthere needs to be a change, then

(41:17):
we have to understand thatthings are gonna hurt, we're
gonna walk into some things thatwe're not used to, but God's
gonna use those for his glory.
And so separation,sanctification, separation and
being separated from our oldways and progressing in that

(41:42):
separation of the believer fromevil and its result of obedience
to the Word of God, progressivesanctification is what
gradually separates the peopleof God from the world and makes
them more and more like Jesus.
Sanctification differs fromjustification in several ways.

(42:04):
Justification is a one-time workof God resulting in a
declaration of not guilty beforeHim, because the work of Christ
on the cross and sanctificationis a process beginning with
justification and continuingthroughout life.
So we begin with our confessionof faith, we begin with getting

(42:24):
justified, like, how in theworld is a person like me going
to even deserve this?
Because I know I should bepunished for the things I did,
and to walk into that noon it'slike, oh my gosh, that's amazing
that my father loves me enoughto forgive me and die on the
cross for me, and that's whatleads us into progressive

(42:46):
sanctification is reallybelieving that by faith.
It's not the easiest thing tobelieve, and if there's anybody
listening right now I canunderstand it.
It's hard to believe the cross,the dying, the rising from the
grave, the Holy Spirit coming inyou this stuff isn't it, but

(43:07):
faith.

Imran (43:08):
It's not just faith, it's like truth is truth, because we
were talking about this before.
It's like.
The biggest difference withChristianity, between, like
these other legends and theseother religions, is that Jesus
tells us to go, seek and youshall find.
Like, if you go and do your ownresearch, you will find truth.
There you will find thehistorical figure that is Jesus

(43:31):
Christ of Nazareth that livedand ministered and taught and
died and rose from the dead andwas seen by thousands and then
the Christianity exploded fromthere.
Ryan, actually Pastor, ryanactually asked Chat TPT if

(43:55):
Christianity is true and ChatTPT's response is that there is
like.
The uniqueness of Christianityis that there has been no
religion in the history ofmankind that exploded from the
actual impact point of the event.
Every other religion was set uplater, based off of someone

(44:18):
else's interpretation of a pastevent, but Christianity from the
moment Jesus rose.
It wasn't that a thousand yearslater we created a religion
around.
Maybe the idea that Jesus rose.
It was that from the momentJesus rose, the people that
would have seen him rose wentout and told everyone that he
rose and other people saw himrise and they told people that
he rose and that's how itexpanded and exploded so quickly
because there's no way thiscould have happened unless it

(44:44):
was true.
And that was like what Chat TPTcame up with.
It was like there'sChristianity is unique in that
it wasn't built later, based offof stories.
It exploded from the impactpoint, from the point of him
rising from the dead.
It exploded People were there tobe able to say if it was true

(45:05):
and be able to discredit it.

But no one did, but it's hard.
It's a hard process becoming aChristian, being saved, walking
in the light, especially growingup in a dark world or growing
up around the dark, to where youaccept things of the dark.

(45:26):
You've learned that these waysare the world or that they're
okay, and so to walk as aChristian and to walk in the
light, it's hard when a lot ofthese other religions, it isn't
that hard.
It isn't that hard.
You just got to do a few rituals, make it look like you're doing

(45:48):
what you're supposed to bedoing, and everybody will leave
you alone.
But with Christ, thisprogressive sanctification,
you're dirty.
Everything's put out there.
Your life becomes testimony,your feet become the gospel,
your hands become the serviceand your ear is the process of

(46:10):
it all getting into you.
It's a hard thing, but it's soworth it.

Nathan (46:17):
It's so worth it.
I love what you brought upabout the history and the truth
of the gospel.
There's so much truth out thereand it won't be debunked, and
in that, still, the only thingthat will be able to please God
is my faith, and the only thingthat will be able to be

(46:39):
sanctified is my faith.

Imran (46:41):
Another interesting thing is people are like oh well, but
faith.
You have faith in so many morethings than you ever comprehend
on a day-to-day basis.
You have faith that the worldis going to continue to turn and
that the sun will rise each day.
But it's not that the sun'srising, it's that the earth is
rotating and also revolvingaround the sun.

(47:04):
You have faith that that'sgoing to continue to happen.
You are not out there in space.
I know we have a few astronautsout there and able to
physically observe the earthrotating.
But you're taking the evidencethat's been presented to you and
you're saying, okay, thisevidence meets whatever standard
that I have to make me believein it.
And it's like we have faiththat if I put this cup down on

(47:30):
the table, it's not going to gothrough the table.
I believe in the concept ofphysical matter and that there
are certain laws and rules thatgovern that physical matter, and
so there are all types ofthings that we have faith in on
a day-to-day basis, and so youcan't say people that want to

(47:50):
say, well, I just can't put myfaith in it and it's like, well,
then, do more research, becausetruth is truth and I promise
you, if you seek, you shall find.

Nathan (48:02):
And it's like for people that knew us before.
Our testimony is proof of JesusChrist.
It's 100% proof of Jesus Christ.
There wasn't no turning ourlives around on our own.
There was not.
I was just real quick, short.
I was a neo-Nazi.
I was a skinhead for at least15 years of my life, high

(48:26):
ranking.
I was really in prison a fewtimes, like I talked about last
time I was in an Nordic god.
I did all their rituals, I didall their oaths.
I did all that.

Imran (48:39):
That is no part of that person that, like, crashed your
marriage, and all that too,everything.

Nathan (48:46):
Everything crashed.
Everything crashed and once Igot saved, a lot of that stuff
was wiped away.
A lot of that stuff.
I was no longer a racist, I wasno longer in the gang, but
there were still some things inme that needed to be wiped away.
Blest was one of them.
Still trying to politic, kindof politic, Like I was still in

(49:13):
a yard or something, that was athing in me too.
There was a lot of differentthings in me that had to be
woven out of me and through thesanctification and through
learning who Jesus was inside meand what he wanted to do
through me, it was a process ofmy sanctification, and now I
know for a hundred and still is.

Yes, and still is until I am glorified.
And that's the three stageprocess.
You know, because we understand, we've been understanding and
going deep into the positional,other known as justification,
our positional sanctification.
Now we're venturing into theprogressive, but there's also

(49:56):
Sanctification is a three stepprocess and you think of I have
this note here, I really likethe way it's put Our positional
sanctification is a startingpoint of the line that
represents one's Christian life.
Progressive sanctification isthe line itself.

(50:16):
So the starting point of theline is the position bam, we're
there.
Yeah, now our Progressive isactually the line going down the
line, going down the line, youknow, and as Paul said, that
that scripture, that Paul saysyou know this race, I have not
made it, I've not, but I, I amon the line, I'm running, I'm

(50:37):
running and I know where it goes.
Yeah, you know, I know the endof the race and and that was
yeah, and see.

Nathan (50:48):
Also in that scripture he says I don't beat as one
beating the air.
You know, yeah, I don't fight.
This fight is Uninformed.
You mean, I do it in Christpower, pretty much I do it In
the strength of him.
But there is some Things youknow and everything I've been
through in my Christian walk upto this point, every test, every

(51:09):
trial, every failure on my end,everything I've been through
has given me an understanding ofwho Christ is in one aspect,
that he is such a loving Godthat he is.
Every time that I have fallen,he has picked me up and he has
made me a better man.
You know, and, and also to that, my sin will come out.

(51:29):
My sin will come out.
It won't, it will not be hidden.
You know it will be exposed.
You mean and he'll.
You know the good thing aboutthe spirit it can fix our heart
and can fix our heart, convictsour heart, once we don't turn
from that, and we, and, andwe're doing, even in our walk of
Christ, in our walk of Christ,if there's little things that

(51:50):
we've pulled on to, if there'slittle sins that we're still
nurturing and we're, we'repetting, he, the spirit, trust
me, the spirit tells us stopdoing that.
Yeah that's not it, that's notsomething you should be doing,
and it will tell us over untilit does expose our sin and if
you don't, he'll dislocate yourhip.
Hey, and that's.
I love that because that's thetruth.

(52:11):
Like he in my walk of Christ,he has no reference go to the
Jacob episodes.

Imran (52:16):
Yeah, he has done that to me.

Nathan (52:18):
He has not my physical hip, but he has Took it
everything from me because Iwouldn't turn from the sin.
I wanted to hold on to you,yeah, and in being in Christ I
was back in a prison cell.
Yeah, I've got a prison celland I wanted.

I wanted to speak a little because I'm his, I'm a,
I'm his older brother, I'm hispastor.
I I've watched, I've watchedthe sanctification process
happen in his life and to whereit's built my faith.
Yeah my faith as a man of Godand and watching, I'm gonna
share a little bit.
Oh, being in set free needlesand him being my director, the

(52:56):
one that I, when I first cameback to the Lord, he was already
in a position in the church.
Oh, wow, and I didn't know.
The timing was like that, yeah,and and.
So when I first came back andthen watching him fall and and
having to see his marriage fallapart and Everything, and me
sitting there like what the heck?
And him telling me you know, Idon't have a call, you know I'm

(53:19):
God doesn't?
God doesn't have a call in mylife.
I screwed it up.
I'm not enough.
Yeah you know, and him pouringhis heart out to me, saying that
and I just didn't believe it,like I would try to talk it, you
know I and and to watch it justfall apart in his life, unravel
in front of my eyes, after Ijust came and and back to the

(53:40):
Lord and then trusted in him andwalked with him, and then to
see his whole life unravel and,and Three or four, three years
of all that and wreckage, andbut to see what God's doing now
through that wreckage.
Yeah, you know, and I don't, Idon't think he knows it, but at

(54:00):
that time he was about ready tobe raised up as a deacon, you
know, and but all things cameunraveling and he was preaching,
was doing all that and and andit was beautiful and I got
touched so much at the beginningof my walk because of my
brother and what was happeningin his life and and so and then
it all unraveled.
But so to see that and to seewhere him and his wife and him

(54:26):
and their kids are right now andGod moving their life, and to
see that, that because I justfeel like someone on here that's
listening needs to hear that,even if you've been involved in
church and you've been involvedin leadership and something bad
has happened.
That doesn't mean you're notenough, no more.

Imran (54:42):
Yeah, it does justify yeah, you've already.
Your position is already there.

You tripped on the line.
Yeah, get up and keep running.
Yeah, because now it's time foryour process of sanctification.
Yeah, to give up and think thatit's your fault or you're not a
good enough for God, and that'sa lie.

Nathan (54:59):
Yeah, it's a lie, because I lost my wife and the
wife divorce divorce, kid gone,everything in prison, no one.
And we are happily remarried.
We are happily having anotherkid.
We are like it was.
There was no hope.
There was absolutely no hope Atall.
The worst of worst that couldhave been done was done and it
was gone for four years, fouryears, four years.

(55:22):
Now we are remarried, we gotanother baby on the way.
We're happy we still got, we'restill going, we're going to
counseling, marriage counseling.
We're doing all this but it'sStification is a great process,
you mean, and it's real, itain't.

It ain't just how much you study the word or how
much you Know about the word.
You got to live in it.

Nathan (55:41):
Yes, you got to live it and there's intimacy.

And so live by it, live by the word and for me
watching this happen in mybrother and watching this go
down.
And I had already married mywife and we had our son and and
and and Everything that was hisWas given to me.
It was crazy and so I had tolive with.

(56:03):
I had to struggle and fightwith maybe a guilt that was from
the because I moved in.
It was crazy, right, he fell,their marriage fell apart, it
all unraveled and then a littlebit later, after some things, I
became the director.
I moved into his house with hisdog.
His dog was still there.
And it was like what is thisLord like?

(56:25):
Why?
Why does my brother have to goback?
And I fought with the Lord inthis.
Yeah, why am I still here?
Why is he gone?
Why?
And it broke my heart.
It broke my heart becausebefore that and I don't know
what's cool about all this is heprobably doesn't know, but he's
gonna find out right now.

Imran (56:44):
No, it's good, it's good.

At that time, at the beginning, pastor Marty and
set free needles was telling meabout how he's gonna raise my
brother up as a Deacon and allthis stuff.
But it never happened becauseof all the stuff that came
unraveling and his, hissanctification process.
But next Sunday I'm going to beraising him up as the deacon of
set free church, amen, wonderValley, and because I I've seen

(57:08):
and I've heard and I've watchedin the sanctification process
and and so we're, he's gonna bein a position now as the deacon
of our church.
And so it's like gosh that'swait.

Imran (57:18):
Do you know that that's happening next Sunday?
No, wow.

Nathan (57:23):
I don't know that.
Yeah, I'm, and it's awesome,you know it's awesome.
And whatever, wherever I'm at,no matter what I know, because I
do know my call.
Yeah, you know, I know that oneday I'll be in pastoring a
church.
I know that, you know, I knowthat, that's you know.
I know that for sure.
It's been Michael for a longtime.
I just ran in.

(57:43):
Yeah and, but I didn't knowthat and whatever position I'm
in, I'm gonna do it to the Lord,you know.
And.

Yeah, and that's usually how just a little
history of set free, that'susually how we find out about
things by surprise.
Not only that, but in set freewe kind of go through the stages
of being raised up as a deaconand then you're raised up as an
elder, and then you're raised upas A pastor eventually, and you
go plant a set free church, youknow.
So you go through the stagesand so he's.

(58:14):
He's on his way and I, Ialready know that at some point
I'm gonna have to Let him go andgo start a church, and that's
part of the sanctificationprocess too.
You know, going through thesethings and having people you
rely on and wanting to hold onto them, and these things, it's
you got to rely on thesanctification process for that

(58:34):
too.

Imran (58:34):
So if we just set free church is so much like the
Marine Corps and also so muchlike palms Church.
Yeah, man once, because theMarine Corps is Like this, like
we are literally a lot of thetimes taking some of the event,
very broken people off thestreets and they're like I've
been trying to do life, for Iscrewed up all of high school
and I can't go to college.
Can I join the Marine Corps?
It's like, yes, can you dothree pull-ups, we can work on

(58:57):
the rest when you're at work,yeah, all right.
And or people that, like Itried to do life for three, four
, five, six, seven years and I,I just can't.
I need some structure, I needsome organization.
And there and it's like you can, you don't you want to do it?
I was like, yep, can you dothree pull-ups?
Okay, we can work on the restof recruit training and we, we
bring them into this goodcommunity and we train them up

(59:18):
and and ideally, they conform tothe organization's norms and
rules and they do well, allright.
But then and then you have palmsChurch, which is a church that
serves a primary, primarilyMarine community.
Yeah, that will, that doesraise up pastors, raises up
deacons, raises up ministers,and just to watch after three

(59:38):
years they PCS somewhere andthey go off and, yes, they
spread the word, they spread thegospel, they spread the truth
and wherever they're, pcs singto.
But, like the palms, has atheoretical limit of how much it
can grow physically in 29 palms.
Because of the book, because ofthe nature of it, because of
the transient nature of it,because we are primarily serving

(01:00:00):
a base, it's an infinite levelthat it can grow.
Yeah out like in the world.
It's instead from this smalllittle town of 29 palms, small
town for me.
Right Of 29 palms, you have achurch that has built churches
all over the world.

Selena (01:00:18):
Amen, you know yeah, and in that way, you and our
missionaries, because the MarineCorps is gonna send us wherever
they decide to but, that'swhere and our mission, and
that's gonna be our mission

Pastor David (01:00:29):
and I love that, and that's, that's how you and
this is a little bit off topic,but that's how Ministry is
supposed to be designed- You'renot supposed to just blow up
your one church in this smallyou supposed to go out, and but
what?
She said about the Marinessending you.
That's your job, that's yourduty, but you know your real

(01:00:50):
mission.
Yeah is is to continue in thework of the Lord.
Yeah, and so it's just if, if,if people would understand that
a little bit more before.
They just wanted to get theirjob so they could work and
provide for their families.
That your job is your mission.
That job is also in surface tothe kingdom.
Yeah, and that's if you canintertwine those.

(01:01:11):
And what a beautifulopportunity you guys have from
from God.
You get to get sent by theMarine Corps to go preach the
gospel.

Nathan (01:01:19):
Yeah, yeah you know, ministry equals my life.

Imran (01:01:22):
Yeah not.

Nathan (01:01:23):
Ministry equals church activities and church events.
Ministry equals from when Iwake up to when I go to sleep.

You know, that's, that's you and that's what the
early churches, they, theyplanted churches, they sent
people, they, they exploded.

Imran (01:01:38):
They passed.
It was a live in the house ofthe churchgoers because they
weren't focused on work.
They were completely dedicatedto the study and teaching.
Yeah, and recording.

But the you know, and still, people had to work,
people had to have jobs, peoplehad to sell linen and sell
purple and do these thingsbecause the church needed to be
supported.
But they gave and they, theygave of what they had so that
everybody was supplied and andso I just I see that in this
community, I see that with palms, I see that was set free, I see
that with all a lot of thechurches out here that are

(01:02:06):
getting together and and andLoving the people of this
community, you know, yeah, sowhen, where are we out here?
I had to read a few things herebecause I jotted them down.
So Sanctification is thethree-step process the past, the
present, the future.
The first stage is what we'vetalked about for the last hour

(01:02:31):
and a half.
It's the beginning of ourChristian lives.
It's the initial Moral change,a break from the power of love,
from the power and the love ofsin.
Is Is the point at whichbelievers can count themselves
dead to sin but alive in God.
Roman 611 you, oncesanctification has begun, we no

(01:02:54):
longer are under sins dominion.
There is a Reorientation ofdesires and we develop a love
for righteousness.
Paul calls it a slavery torighteousness.
The second stage ofsanctification requires a
lifetime to complete.
I think that's the theimportance of it that my life is

(01:03:14):
For his glory and it will.
I don't come to a spot ofcompletion.
I am becoming new, I ambecoming changed, I'm becoming
transformed.
My trials, my Tribulations, thethings that I go through and how
I surrender them to Christ ishow I'm sanctified.
Not by how good I worship orhow good I serve, or but the

(01:03:37):
things that really are real inmy life is in and Choosing not
to go the same way that theothers are going or that I used
to go.
Because of that, that moralchange in me, and I want to be a
slave to Jesus and hisrighteousness in me.
It's a lifetime, takes alifetime to complete.

(01:03:58):
As we grow in grace, we aregradually but steadily changing
to be more and more like Jesus.
This occurs in a process ofdaily spiritual renewal.
The Apostle Paul himself wasbeing sanctified, even as he
ministered to others.
Paul claimed that he had notreached perfection, but that he

(01:04:19):
pressed on to attain everythingChrist desired for him.

Nathan (01:04:23):
Yeah, yeah, and that's that's what I think it's a big
point about this progression isthat there's gonna be some
things that set us back.
There will be, there will beand just understanding it when
they come.
It's a part of the process.
It is a part of the process ofbeing sanctified, being set of

(01:04:43):
side for his work and that forFor everybody to know that it's
his grace that Saves us.
It's his grace that saves usand in his saving grace we walk
in the newness of Christ everyday and his blood covers us, and
then the power of the Spiritallows us to grow each day.

(01:05:04):
The power of the Spiritconvicts our hearts, the power
of the Spirit moves us, thepower of the Spirit leads us,
you mean and then eventually we,we reach the destination that
we're prepared for.
He said, and the word it saysto, that we make sure that we
present each other perfect,right, and that's the perfection

(01:05:24):
we every day is to make sure weteach people, to perfect them
in Christ, so that when we meetChrist, we recognize Christ,
christ recognize us.
Now it's not just enough for usto be Justified.
We have to be truly sanctifiedand and set apart in the world.

(01:05:44):
We can't be of the worldanymore.
We have to be different.
And it says, and Peter 2, 1, 3says so put away all malice and
all deceit, hypocrisy and envyand all slander.
Like newborn infants, long forthe pure spiritual milk that by
it you may grow up intosalvation.

(01:06:06):
Other scriptures refer toworking out your salvation were
fear and trembling like.
There's this process of growingup into salvation.

We have our salvation secure, but just
walking in that, just walking inthat yeah, and you mentioned it
the finish line, heaven and andit was actually I think it was
a preach you did years ago andneedles Nathan, I don't know.
But you know I don't want tospend this life here on earth

(01:06:37):
Just thinking that I'm okay tobe saved and get to heaven and
then when I get to heaven, justso surprised at heaven and
scared of heaven because I'm notexperiencing any of it here.
Yeah, you know, I'm notexperiencing the sanctification
part.
In sanctification you get toknow Jesus.

(01:06:57):
Yeah, you do.
You have no other choice to getto know Jesus in some of the
hard moments Because he's theonly one that can save.
He's the only whoever callingthe name of Jesus, whoever you
know, and those things are soreal and we have to lean on
those things in thesanctification process.

Imran (01:07:14):
And so interesting that people think that, you know,
coming to Christ means thattheir life is gonna be easy, or
coming to Christ is gonna saveyou, christ is gonna solve all
their problems and all that it'slike.
No, the Holy Spirit willprobably reveal a lot more
problems.
Yes, that you have and life isgoing to get a lot harder as you
serve and serve, and serve.

Yeah, and it's.
It's important for us as we goto the highways and the byways
and we bring people.
You know especially the task ofGo there for make disciples and
going out.
We have a search and rescueteam and how we go out and I
want to start hitting PalmSprings and under the bridges,
but it's important for theseleaders and I tell them look,

(01:07:52):
you can't just tell them thatthey're going to a rehab and
Everything's gonna be providedand just please come home so we
can feed you and make and makeeverything.
You have to tell them whatthey're getting into, yeah, yeah
, like you're going into tosurrender your life to Jesus.
It's gonna be hard, yeah, it'sgonna be hard.
I want you to know that, thathe's got you, that he give up

(01:08:13):
your love, you gonna give up.
Yeah, there's a lot of thingsthat are gonna change and it's
gonna get ugly, it's gonna gethard, it's gonna get rough.

Imran (01:08:21):
You're gonna confront things that you, intentionally,
are probably doing drugs anddrinking to not confront Exactly
, and those things are gonnacome up and you have to change
so dying to yourself?
Yeah, it's like we may give youfood, but it's not going to be
it all that you need.
Yeah, there's gonna be so muchmore that's gonna be required of
you yeah and it's it's crazybecause it's not the easy way

(01:08:42):
out.

I guess no that's it was easy, everybody would be
doing it.
Yeah right, it's hard.

Nathan (01:08:48):
It is really hard, you know.
It is really hard because notjust the old things that we used
to do before we were saved, butnow there's new things that we
try to do in Christ, you know,and those things become really
bad and there's also some thingsthat we pick up in Christ, yeah
, or or being around certainpeople that we don't really

(01:09:12):
claim as being bad things, butthat can become forms of Worship
to different idols.
You know, these things wesometimes we idolize.

Imran (01:09:22):
Just so many different things like the amount of like
gossip insurance.
Yes, I'm not a self-worshipthat comes out of like being on
a worship team.

Nathan (01:09:28):
That you know exactly, or just authority, the amount of
authority, having a strictauthority?
Sometimes I'm finances finances.
You know there's.
There's so many differentthings that.

Imran (01:09:42):
And there are so many more opportunities for the devil
exactly to come in.
Yes, you know, because again itdoesn't get easier.
It gets harder because now youget in the conviction, now
You're become, now you'rerecognizing the sin, whereas you
could just sin freely withoutthinking about it before.
Now you have this, this thingin you that's telling you, hey,
you shouldn't be doing that.

Nathan (01:10:00):
Yeah, but I just want to yeah, you know, and it's not
really and now you're fire inthis fight with yourself.

Imran (01:10:06):
Yes, you know, yeah, you are in this fight with yourself,
yep and whoever it's a goodfight, though.

Nathan (01:10:12):
That's a good fight.

Paul said fighting alone.
Yeah, paul said fight the goodfight.
Yeah, it's a good fight.
It really is, it's.
It's satisfying once you getthrough some things and you've
walked and like, like my brotherand I and and the things that
we've seen in each other, thatthe places that we've came from,
and just looking back and thenseeing where we're at Now, it's

(01:10:33):
like the rough times, thesanctification times were, are
worth it.

Imran (01:10:38):
Yeah they're worth it.

They're worth it and they're so gratifying to
know that it's real.

Nathan (01:10:43):
You know it's real and yeah so, yeah, I'm just a few
more things to like touch on,like that.
Is that?
Like you're saying, is that alot of these things that we used
to do are more evident.
They were more outwardly.
The things that are done inChrist, that we're trying to, we
need to be sanctifiedProgressively with, are the

(01:11:04):
things that are done inwardly.
Mm-hmm you know Backbitinginwardly, you know gossip
inwardly that eventually willpour itself out.
But then there's other things,that hatred and and lust and and
ego and stuff that these thingswe look and we're like man,
these things are ugly.
You know, these things are uglyand they're not of Christ.
So I have to get rid of these.

(01:11:25):
And there's scripture I'm gonnathink it's um Collosians 3 5
says if indeed you have tastedthat the Lord is good, put you
death there for whatever belongsto your earthly nature, mm-hmm.
Sexual morality, impurity, lust, evil, desire and greed, which
is idolatry.
You know, like there's thesethings it tells us over.

(01:11:49):
Look all right, you might havebeen freed from these things,
but also you need to be freedfrom these things too.
Yeah there's these things thatyou have now carried along into
this new walk, this new life,and these also.
You have to rid yourself of,these also backbiting evil, just
all this stuff that we, weaccumulate in Our life, you know

(01:12:11):
, it's why.

God is the one true God, yeah, there's never.
You don't run out of things youcould.
You could work on no you know,with every other religion, with
every other thing that man does,whatever job, work, you know.
There you get to a point ofwhere you've made it to the top,
yeah, you're, you've doneeverything you could do To get

(01:12:33):
to where you're at.
And now, what do you do, youknow?
But with Jesus, with, withChristianity, with with being a
Jesus, there's, there's always.
I'm telling you the longer Iwork, work, the longer I walk
with him and and beingsanctified, the more I realized
that I need.
There's still some things thatI really need help with.

Imran (01:12:51):
I think it's also true that people often think that
they know God.
They think like, oh, I knowenough, but I know what God
stands for, I know what, who heis.
I have an idea of what you knowyou Christians are right but
it's like I don't even know mywife, you know, it's like I
don't, even I don't.
If you asked me today, likewhat she thinking, it's like I
have no idea what she's thinking.

(01:13:11):
Like I don't.
And it's because, like, she isan infinitely complex person
that is constantly generatingMore ideas, more thoughts,
constantly making newconnections, new decisions in
her head and manifesting thosethings into the world.
All right, and so over thecourse of the day, over course
of 24 hours, she's had 24 morehours of new thoughts, new
connections, new pathways beingmade, new thoughts, new ideas,

(01:13:33):
new concepts being realized, andit's like, and then doing that
every day of her life.
So I can never know her becauseshe can never communicate the
infinity that is going on in herhead to me.
Yeah, how much more so is GodRight?
That is one other person in ourlife and and the person that I
most know From the concept oflike anyone else in my life.

(01:13:54):
But I can, I will never, evereven come closer in knowing and
it's an infinitely small amountabout who she is on the grand
scheme of things, like, how muchmore so is God?
Yeah, and and in, andinfinitely, all knowing, all
Like, ever present, omnipresent,existing, out of time, you able

(01:14:16):
to observe all time, being ableto plan things before time,
through time, placing, placingJesus in time to do things for
us, based off like in thebeginning, was the word right?
Oh, he's like.
Jesus was identified, I wasidentified, I was set aside
before time.
All right things about what Iwas going to do in decisions I
was going to make, we're writtendown in a book before I was
even like a concept in myparents head.

(01:14:37):
Right, yeah, how much more sois God compared to the people
that in our lives?
like we think we know people,but do you really?

yeah, you know, yeah, and he never runs out.

Nathan (01:14:46):
He's always there's always the hubris of people to
claim to know yeah, god, so yeah.
Yeah.
So I think that what we can getout of there is that the spirit
is what's gonna draw us to besanctified in that this
progression is is a lifelongthing, is a lifelong thing.

(01:15:08):
But we have to be planted in achurch, we have to be around
Believers, we have to beaccountable, we have to be
accountable to people.
We have to Really be in thiswalk, really be in the Lord,
really be clothed with hisrighteousness, really be, know
what our position is, know thatour members are set aside for

(01:15:32):
his work that he has prepared instuff in advance for us to do
Absolutely you know, and in thatnot covering ourself with the
things of God, but literallyputting on and Operating with
the God in the skin of.

Jesus, yeah it, because I feel like, even for me
, sometimes I get lost in theministry of things and doing,
doing, doing, yeah, but I then Iget ahead of, I get ahead of
God you know, and so then youtrip.

Imran (01:15:59):
Yeah, you trip on the line?

Nathan (01:16:00):
You sure do.
Yeah, I'm right too fast yeah.

Imran (01:16:04):
Yeah, slow down.
Sorry, yeah, but um.

I guess, um, so I I want to kind of a couple of
the last part of this, right,the last part about two more
hours, uh no, so the last partof sanctification is obviously,
we all know, is ourglorification.
Yeah, the reward, the reward,the finish line, you know, and
so it's, it's just, it's justbeautiful to me that this

(01:16:30):
three-step process, or like it'snot even a step, but it's just
all in one, and it kind ofrefers to our three-in-one God,
you know, and this three-in-oneprocess of Sanctification we
have our position, ourprogressive, and then our future
sanctification, which is ourglorification, you know.
And so God's work insanctification involves all

(01:16:52):
three members of the Trinity God, the father, constantly at work
, and his children to will andto work for his good pleasure.
He changes our desires, makingus want to please him, and he
empowers us to do so.
Jesus earned our sanctificationon the cross and, in essence,
has become our sanctificationand the perfecter of our faith.
The Holy Spirit is the primaryagent of our sanctification and

(01:17:17):
he is the one who produces thefruit in us, the fruit of
sanctification.
Our role in sanctification isboth passive and active.
Passively, we trust God tosanctify us presently, our
bodies, presenting our bodies toGod and yielding to the Holy
Spirit.

(01:17:37):
It is God's will that you shouldbe sanctified and God will have
his way.
Actively, we are responsible tochoose what is right.
Each of you should learn tocontrol his own body in a way
that is holy and honorable.
This involves putting to deaththe misdeeds of the body,
striving for holiness, fleeingfrom immorality, cleansing

(01:17:57):
ourselves from every defilementand making every effort to To
supplement our faith.
John makes it clear that wewill never totally be freed from
sin in this life.
Thankfully, the work of God hasbegun in us and will he will
finish it.

Selena (01:18:13):
Amen.

Imran (01:18:14):
Yeah, yeah, I am.
I want to close out by goingback to, to Exodus.
Okay, so We've read to describethis thus, says the Lord, of
what we need to do to PrepareAaron and his sons to be the
priest.
And Then, in Exodus 39, we getthis beautiful Description of

(01:18:41):
everything that was done howthey made the gold, how they
twisted the fabric, how theywove it, wove the stones into
the fabric, how they made thebreast pleat, the breast piece,
that he got the most skilledcraftsmen and the most and the
best workers to build thisgarment and these garments that

(01:19:01):
were worn by Aaron and his sons.
And.
But you get all the way to theend of this incredible
description of them executingGod's plan exactly the way that
it was given.
And Moses closes off this, thischapter, by saying or closes off
this, this period, by saying sothe Israelites did all the work

(01:19:22):
according to all that the Lordhad commanded Moses.
And Moses carefully inspectedall of the work and, behold,
they had done it Just as theLord had commanded.
So they had done it.
So Moses blessed him, orblessed them.
And I think that that's anincredible place to end it,
because it really Goes back tothat picture of how Jesus is

(01:19:44):
describing us being sanctifiedand set apart.
Yes, and at the end of it all,we will be blessed.

Yeah, yes, yeah, amen, and it's perfect.
It's perfect and the way Jesusdid it and set it all up from
the beginning, the way God hadit all planned, it's this
perfect.
Yeah, there's nothing else thatwe could go through besides
this, this process ofsanctification and being
sanctified in Christ Jesus.
Absolutely and it was his prayerfor us.
It was his prayer for us beforehe went to dial across, so it

(01:20:15):
has a lot of has a lot of weightto it.
Yeah, this is where a Christianshould be well, man, it's been
a journey.

Imran (01:20:24):
It's been a journey, but we have to catch you all on
again.
We have to get you on againwith Ryan and just have, like I
gotta get a fifth mic.
We'll figure it out.
It's been awesome having youall on for the last couple
episodes, and so I truly trulyappreciate you all hanging out
with us.
Yeah, and I cannot wait for ournext ride.

(01:20:45):
I cannot wait to see you allaround the church.
I can't wait to come to anotherbike or tabernacle, because I
love set free church.

Yes, we love you at palms.
Yeah, we love you guys, man, welove you and we're honored to
be welcomed into your, yourhouse, and to do church.
We're doing church near houseand so.
Beautiful thing.

Imran (01:21:00):
Thank you so much, thank you All right, and thank you all
for tuning into real Biblestories.
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Selena, like we're always, onceyou know, telling you all like
life story over the last two anda half years of this, of this
podcast, and so it's good tohear that, that testimony, and
hear that, that deep Love andpassion, that that you all have,

(01:21:24):
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with God and we will see younext week.

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