Wilfred Reilly

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Wilfred Reilly joins Lucas Klein on Real Clear Podcast in order to respond to Real Clear members comments and to react to the progress and setbacks of the Trump administration in the first two months. 

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com. 4 00:00:13,314.240362812 --> 00:00:14,544.240362812 And welcome back, everybody. 5 00:00:14,544.240362812 --> 00:00:23,494.240362812 I am joined again by the crowd favorite Wilfred Riley, the great man from Kentucky State University, political science professor and author of excellent books, lies. 6 00:00:23,514.240362812 --> 00:00:25,714.239362812 My liberal teacher told me being the most recent. 7 00:00:26,14.239362812 --> 00:00:27,214.239362812 I'm linking to that below. 8 00:00:27,224.239362812 --> 00:00:29,64.240362812 I recommend you click it, buy it, share it. 9 00:00:29,424.240362812 --> 00:00:30,974.239362812 And I wanted to have Dr. 10 00:00:30,974.239362812 --> 00:00:38,734.240362812 Riley on to talk about a number of things, namely, Where he thinks the Trump administration has been successful and where he thinks it hasn't been. 11 00:00:39,4.240362812 --> 00:00:43,394.240362812 What his view is on the American present and the immediate American future. 12 00:00:43,794.240362812 --> 00:00:48,484.240362812 And I'll start off by reading something from a real clear member. 13 00:00:48,974.240362812 --> 00:00:49,454.240362812 Dr. 14 00:00:49,454.240362812 --> 00:01:18,674.240362812 Mills writes, Trump's second term as a president has already proven to be even more polarizing and destabilizing than his first term, with his autocratic attack on constitutional rights, widespread dismantling of governmental agencies by subverting Congress, turning on his bordering neighbors and allies, stopping international aid, instituting global tariffs, threatening to annex Canada, Dr. 15 00:01:18,674.240362812 --> 00:01:31,244.240362812 Mills is Canadian, by the way, take Greenland, the Panama Canal, and the Gaza Strip through military force, if necessary, and generally turn a liberal democracy into a fascist state. 16 00:01:31,804.239362812 --> 00:01:34,529.240362812 Do you agree with the above statement? Dr. 17 00:01:34,529.240362812 --> 00:01:39,79.240362812 Reilly, why or why not? Well, not really. 18 00:01:39,79.240362812 --> 00:01:43,109.24036281 I mean, I think a lot of that stuff is obvious, almost funny puffery. 19 00:01:43,109.24036281 --> 00:01:44,229.24036281 So there are three levels here. 20 00:01:44,239.24036281 --> 00:01:49,879.24036281 First of all, um, I don't think that ultimate moral rules are real to some extent. 21 00:01:49,889.23936281 --> 00:01:55,539.23936281 I mean, I think that's a pretty standard view among social scientists who've looked at different societies over the centuries. 22 00:01:55,889.24036281 --> 00:02:03,849.24036281 So, I mean, I, I do think that a lot of people would admire a world leader who actually became a Julius Caesar sort of figure. 23 00:02:04,209.24036281 --> 00:02:11,339.24036281 Like, if Trump actually conquered Canada, took over Greenland, uh, made the Arab world into a series of U. 24 00:02:11,339.24036281 --> 00:02:11,529.24036281 S. 25 00:02:11,559.24036281 --> 00:02:21,289.24036281 vassal states where women had rights and oil was delivered here on an annual basis and, you know, all the rest of that, I'm not sure that would, uh, Stop me from voting for Trump. 26 00:02:21,289.24036281 --> 00:02:31,699.24036281 And I'm not sure people would be doing voting in that society, but I think the chances of that happening are literally 0 percent that that's kind of just New York trash talking. 27 00:02:32,159.24036281 --> 00:02:36,569.24036281 You know, uh, Trump did a lot of this before the, uh, the four nations hockey summit. 28 00:02:37,149.24036281 --> 00:02:37,489.23986281 Right. 29 00:02:37,489.23986281 --> 00:02:41,39.24036281 Where he wished the team good luck against our 51st state. 30 00:02:41,329.24036281 --> 00:02:47,129.24036281 Uh, Canada actually won that game, but I do think that a lot of people who haven't maybe competed in, uh. 31 00:02:47,764.24036281 --> 00:03:05,194.23936281 High school varsity or collegiate athletics or been in the military or listening to that and they're saying my my god, he's serious Uh, I don't I don't think that is that is entirely correct You know going on from that do I think that some of that stuff would be a good idea, you know In theory some of it would be interesting in practice. 32 00:03:05,194.23936281 --> 00:03:11,694.24036281 I mean, I assume the canadians would resist quite well You know, there's some speculation in political science that canada's a secret nuclear power. 33 00:03:11,694.24036281 --> 00:03:18,994.24036281 They have one of the world's better small militaries So I don't actually think we're going to go up there into the tundra and, uh, you know, fight them for a couple of years. 34 00:03:18,994.24036281 --> 00:03:21,24.24036281 That'd be very much like Russia and Ukraine, actually. 35 00:03:21,634.24036281 --> 00:03:26,714.24036281 But, um, in terms of a broader take on the Trump administration, I think we've seen two things. 36 00:03:28,84.23936281 --> 00:03:33,104.23986281 There, the first, and I actually have a take on Trump that's very different from a lot of people. 37 00:03:33,104.23986281 --> 00:03:40,294.24036281 I kind of agree with Ben Shapiro, the conservative commentator on this, where he'll openly say, like, I like quote, unquote, teleprompter Trump. 38 00:03:40,899.24036281 --> 00:03:55,519.14036281 Like, I like Trump when he has a speech written by someone when they're obviously people from AEI or Claremont behind the scenes that are helping him out when Vance is in the room and when he's this big, smart guy, but he's also got a political team with him. 39 00:03:55,799.24036281 --> 00:03:58,79.23986281 And I think a lot of people kind of disagree with that. 40 00:03:58,79.23986281 --> 00:04:02,929.24036281 And they say, you know, I like Trump to be freestyle and shouting and screaming at people and making deals. 41 00:04:02,969.24036281 --> 00:04:04,689.24036281 I actually don't like that at all. 42 00:04:05,849.24036281 --> 00:04:33,999.23936281 Yeah, no, I think, I think a lot of intelligent people would agree with the, the three of us, you know, it's the witch, uh, sorry, I had Jeffrey Tucker on recently, the economist from the Epoch Times, and when I had mentioned that, he had, uh, uh, the reaction that, well, he and I wouldn't like that because we're the cote bourgeois, as he said, and, uh, but that's not my reason, I think that, um, my reason is probably what yours is leading to be, which is it's an unnecessary destabilization for the populace. 43 00:04:35,939.24036281 --> 00:04:56,579.24036281 Yeah, and also I just think, I think the results are objectively better when you look at what, so I mean when, for me the best part of the Trump administration so far has been Trump just coming in with the 200 executive orders, where, I mean, if you want to talk about DEI, like he technically repealed, uh, Lyndon Baines Johnson's order that mandated affirmative action. 44 00:04:57,189.24036281 --> 00:04:59,239.24036281 Which was 5. 45 00:04:59,239.24036281 --> 00:05:14,669.24036281 And the way that EO 465 worked as someone who trained as a lawyer at a pretty good institution is that if you want to do business with the United States federal government, which as you know, every like fortune down through 4, 000 does. 46 00:05:15,104.24036281 --> 00:05:21,354.24036281 You have to practice essentially proportional representation and hiring you have to treat it. 47 00:05:22,904.24036281 --> 00:05:40,244.24036281 Yeah, well, the proportional representation to it in general is considered at least a first line basis for a lawsuit that any of the major racial groups in the population in your business doesn't match the percentage of that group in the overall national population. 48 00:05:41,694.24036281 --> 00:05:48,804.24036281 So most companies, especially following the EO we're talking about, hire roughly proportionally. 49 00:05:49,134.24036281 --> 00:05:56,114.24036281 Affirmative action comes out of that because group performance on the major standardized board tests, IQ tests, so on, is so different. 50 00:05:56,724.23936281 --> 00:06:13,244.24036281 So, I mean, on the SAT in the most recent year that I've used for research, I'm sure this is Probably not the most recent year, but I mean, you had Asians at 1223 East Asians were probably 80 points above that you had white city, you know, very solid 1114, you had blacks. 51 00:06:13,804.24036281 --> 00:06:14,204.24036281 I don't know. 52 00:06:14,524.24036281 --> 00:06:15,604.24036281 I think blacks were next. 53 00:06:15,604.24036281 --> 00:06:17,104.24036281 Actually, it was 9 60. 54 00:06:17,104.24036281 --> 00:06:20,614.24036281 Something Hispanics natives were at 9 12. 55 00:06:20,774.24036281 --> 00:06:26,154.24036281 I mean, so your islanders beat blacks, but I mean, so you had all these groups performing at these very different levels. 56 00:06:26,154.24036281 --> 00:06:36,964.24036281 And the simple reality is that if you want, I mean, to be almost 4 percent Native American Indians, you'd have to give Native American Indians a 330 point boost or whatever that would be. 57 00:06:37,414.24036281 --> 00:06:44,654.24036281 Over Asian Americans, blacks would get a 150 point boost relative to white. 58 00:06:44,654.24036281 --> 00:06:46,104.24036281 So that's how affirmative action comes in. 59 00:06:46,514.24036281 --> 00:06:48,174.23986281 But Trump basically got rid of all that. 60 00:06:48,174.23986281 --> 00:06:52,904.24036281 I mean, he just said, you don't have to engage in these hiring practices to do business, the federal government. 61 00:06:52,914.24036281 --> 00:06:54,344.23936281 So that's, that was actually very elegant. 62 00:06:54,919.24036281 --> 00:06:57,899.24036281 And a lot of that was almost the Project 2025 stuff. 63 00:06:57,899.24036281 --> 00:07:00,969.24036281 Like, you could tell somebody wrote the EO. 64 00:07:01,379.24036281 --> 00:07:04,749.24036281 Like, there's the one where he, uh, says that every U. 65 00:07:04,749.24036281 --> 00:07:05,9.24036281 S. 66 00:07:05,29.24036281 --> 00:07:10,919.24036281 document that contains the phrase gender identity is going to be rewritten to contain the phrase sex. 67 00:07:11,269.24036281 --> 00:07:17,204.24036281 And this very TERF y definition that I think he got from Wolf, the women, the mainstream feminist organization. 68 00:07:17,514.24036281 --> 00:07:22,884.24036281 Like, so when Trump came in with his allies on board and all those ready, I think he did a really good job. 69 00:07:23,284.24036281 --> 00:07:25,464.24036281 Since then, I think we've been seeing a lot of nonsense. 70 00:07:25,474.24036281 --> 00:07:39,414.24036281 Like, last line, I don't really want to ramble about this, but on Twitter the other day, like, I was just on there sparring with people, and like, serious people like congressmen were proposing, and you can tell the big guy himself had probably thought of the idea, that Trump be placed on the 100 bill. 71 00:07:40,124.24036281 --> 00:07:50,869.24036281 You can still see this if you go on to Twitter or Facebook, like Yeah, like Congressman Ray Isser or whatever, it's a picture of like Trump staring sternly out of the hundred. 72 00:07:51,209.24036281 --> 00:08:03,129.24036281 And the slogans like what we need now in America, that's the kind of crap you don't want Trump getting sidelined in, you know, change the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of Trump or whatever, I mean like that, that sort of stuff we don't. 73 00:08:04,909.24036281 --> 00:08:14,9.24036281 And his statements, I mean, calling Justin Trudeau the governor of the 51st state is funny, but it's really unnecessary and kind of odd for a head of state. 74 00:08:14,279.24036281 --> 00:08:19,364.24036281 Um, so it's There are, there are hard facts on the ground, like 1. 75 00:08:19,364.34036281 --> 00:08:30,854.24036281 1 trillion dollars has come in as new investments in the United States in roughly the first month and a half, which is significant and outpaces previous administrations by orders of magnitude as far as I understand. 76 00:08:31,289.24036281 --> 00:08:37,429.24036281 A lot of that coming from, um, external supplies, um, or external investments, AI investments, and so forth. 77 00:08:37,429.34036281 --> 00:08:43,569.24036281 Um, those are very important things, and I'm, I'm really concerned primarily about economics. 78 00:08:43,659.24036281 --> 00:08:58,709.24036281 Um, and I think this differentiates me from a lot of people who are left of center, as well as a lot of people who are, we might say hard right, where they're focusing on the 100 bills, and naming things, and, you know, owning libs, close quote, and so forth. 79 00:08:59,119.23936281 --> 00:09:02,644.24036281 I'm really concerned about the Present recession. 80 00:09:02,724.24036281 --> 00:09:05,434.24036281 We've been in one technically since July of last year. 81 00:09:05,504.24036281 --> 00:09:07,984.24036281 I don't know if you agree with that, but Tucker agrees with that. 82 00:09:08,204.24036281 --> 00:09:08,754.24036281 I, I do. 83 00:09:08,994.24036281 --> 00:09:10,854.24036281 And he's worried about a double recession. 84 00:09:11,214.24036281 --> 00:09:17,584.24036281 Um, I'm concerned about the average American, um, and their pocketbooks and their ability to maintain a standard of living. 85 00:09:18,34.23936281 --> 00:09:27,474.24036281 Um, what are your concerns in the near term, professor? Your hard line concerns, what you think matters most. 86 00:09:30,329.24036281 --> 00:09:38,669.24036281 Through the United States, I mean, I think that so that's an interesting question, you know, people are talking about serious issues like investment in the country. 87 00:09:38,669.24036281 --> 00:09:45,259.23936281 Other people are talking about these sort of dissident right issues, some of which are quite serious, like mass migration. 88 00:09:45,299.23936281 --> 00:09:45,849.24036281 Others are. 89 00:09:46,109.24036281 --> 00:09:50,89.24036281 What are we going to name the mountains? Trump actually did rename the mountains, by the way. 90 00:09:50,89.24036281 --> 00:09:51,809.24036281 He renamed Denali Mount McKinley. 91 00:09:51,809.24036281 --> 00:09:52,829.24036281 This became a two day wonder. 92 00:09:53,389.24036281 --> 00:10:04,109.23936281 Um, I think that most of the issues that I would be concerned about are long time kind of human flourishing issues, if I really had to think about this. 93 00:10:04,119.24036281 --> 00:10:05,739.24036281 So number one would probably be the debt. 94 00:10:06,589.24036281 --> 00:10:08,889.24036281 I mean, so all of these are going to be like of this kind. 95 00:10:08,889.24036281 --> 00:10:16,419.24036281 I mean, I think I've said some of these before, like the number one issue for the USA is the fact that we're 30 trillion dollars in debt or whatever it is. 96 00:10:17,89.24036281 --> 00:10:26,659.24036281 Like we treat this as though it's not a reality because the Chinese are 10 trillion dollars in debt to us and the Renminbi is pegged to the dollar, but all that means is that we can destroy each other. 97 00:10:26,659.24036281 --> 00:10:32,289.23936281 I mean, at some point you do have to pay back these, these massive investments of money. 98 00:10:32,819.24036281 --> 00:10:41,119.23936281 Um, you know, mass migration, I don't think inherently is a problem, but the combination of mass migration and climate change would probably be somewhere in the top 10. 99 00:10:41,769.24036281 --> 00:10:42,669.23986281 What, what is the U. 100 00:10:42,669.23986281 --> 00:10:42,849.23936281 S. 101 00:10:42,849.24036281 --> 00:10:46,699.23936281 national, so I guess you'd actually do three X's there in terms of an interaction term. 102 00:10:46,699.24036281 --> 00:10:50,9.24036281 So there's mass migration, climate change, and then our refusal to assimilate. 103 00:10:51,249.24036281 --> 00:10:52,339.24036281 Following woke. 104 00:10:52,569.24036281 --> 00:10:53,249.24036281 So what's the U. 105 00:10:53,249.24036281 --> 00:10:53,409.24036281 S. 106 00:10:53,409.24036281 --> 00:10:53,489.24036281 A. 107 00:10:53,529.24036281 --> 00:11:00,659.24036281 Going to look like in 100 years? I don't really think it would matter much of most people at my skin tone instead of yours. 108 00:11:00,669.23936281 --> 00:11:03,149.23936281 And we're both sitting here wearing sweaters and so on. 109 00:11:03,149.24036281 --> 00:11:14,129.24036281 But I mean, like, the question is, are those people going to have any kind of core American ideals given what we're currently teaching and so on? So the press of migration would be one of my concerns. 110 00:11:14,149.24036281 --> 00:11:21,329.24036281 The debt Um, baseline baseline things like nuclear weaponry in the background, the USA and the Russians never got rid of the bombs. 111 00:11:21,779.24036281 --> 00:11:27,259.24036281 You know, I read a horrible piece in one of the kind of defense intelligence quarterly type publications the other day. 112 00:11:27,259.24036281 --> 00:11:28,459.24036281 We're not maintaining them. 113 00:11:29,119.23936281 --> 00:11:37,59.24036281 So we actually have all these nuclear weapons sort of leaking and bunkers in Utah, you know, that we're going to have to deal with at some point. 114 00:11:37,59.24036281 --> 00:11:40,909.24036281 So my, my core issues would all be things of this kind, like the nuclear arsenal. 115 00:11:41,324.24036281 --> 00:11:44,684.24036281 Uh, the amount of money we owe to foreign enemies, migration. 116 00:11:44,984.24036281 --> 00:11:47,304.24036281 Uh, a fourth one I'll throw out there would be the birth rate. 117 00:11:48,294.24036281 --> 00:11:53,284.23936281 Like the Western white led countries aren't reproducing at all. 118 00:11:53,614.24036281 --> 00:11:56,694.24036281 Um, you know, I don't have kids myself. 119 00:11:56,704.23936281 --> 00:11:59,284.24036281 This is something I've got like a three year window to have like two kids. 120 00:11:59,324.23936281 --> 00:12:01,724.24036281 I mean, it's a transactional way to look at it, but I don't think I'm going to. 121 00:12:02,214.24036281 --> 00:12:07,684.24036281 But I mean, this is a common decision I find friends of mine, businesswomen and so on making at like 38. 122 00:12:08,104.24036281 --> 00:12:10,334.24036281 And that, that's really not ideal. 123 00:12:10,819.24036281 --> 00:12:16,989.24036281 But I mean, it's better than the alternative, which is just not, I mean, so like the upper middle class, Western American birth rates, like 1. 124 00:12:17,19.24036281 --> 00:12:19,79.24036281 01, obviously 2. 125 00:12:19,109.24036281 --> 00:12:27,649.24036281 2 is the replacement, right? Yeah, that's one of the reasons that I thought that maybe mass migration could actually be medicinal for the United States, because we're just not having kids. 126 00:12:28,39.23936281 --> 00:12:29,709.24036281 One second, I gotta close my window. 127 00:12:29,779.23936281 --> 00:12:38,939.24036281 I'm, uh, in the light, you watch, you know? There are Indian heritage where I don't do well in the light. 128 00:12:40,229.24036281 --> 00:12:41,839.23936281 I look like a fucking vampire. 129 00:12:42,309.24036281 --> 00:12:42,559.24036281 So. 130 00:12:43,494.24036281 --> 00:12:54,344.24036281 Yeah, I was, uh, thinking that, uh, if you want to get conspiratorial about it, maybe the borders have been porous and open because the powers that be know that we're not reproducing and we need new consumer units. 131 00:12:54,574.24036281 --> 00:12:55,994.23936281 But that's a little conspiratorial. 132 00:12:56,104.23936281 --> 00:13:00,509.24036281 You were saying regarding the same issue? I think there's an element of truth to that. 133 00:13:00,519.24036281 --> 00:13:06,19.24036281 But the question is like, where are the conspiracy cuts? Because the powers that be have also been telling us not to have kids. 134 00:13:06,469.23936281 --> 00:13:15,529.23936281 Like I remember throughout my entire life, people trying to scare me about sex, and I don't think that was entirely a coincidence. 135 00:13:15,529.23936281 --> 00:13:17,484.14036281 I mean, so there was this Baptist like me. 136 00:13:18,274.24036281 --> 00:13:20,364.24036281 No, but I mean, like, quite outside of the church. 137 00:13:20,364.24036281 --> 00:13:26,44.24036281 I mean, I guess my church would be Catholic or AME, thinking of the family African Methodist Episcopal, but that applies to black church. 138 00:13:26,374.24036281 --> 00:13:29,534.24036281 But I mean, like, the preacher's supposed to do that. 139 00:13:29,554.24036281 --> 00:13:32,504.23936281 Like, what are you kids doing after prom? That's their role in society. 140 00:13:32,844.24036281 --> 00:13:38,234.24036281 But no, like, mainstream institutions were, I remember the Western heterosexual AIDS crisis. 141 00:13:38,954.24036281 --> 00:13:45,314.24036281 Where people were talking about how, you know, this disease doesn't much care who you are, to quote Molly Ivins. 142 00:13:45,814.24036281 --> 00:13:49,694.23936281 And, you know, Ryan White was on television talking about how he received AIDS. 143 00:13:49,694.24036281 --> 00:13:54,184.23986281 Just, he was dealing with hemophilia, and he got one transfusion of blood. 144 00:13:54,184.23986281 --> 00:13:55,794.24036281 It was his first, and that's all it took. 145 00:13:56,294.24036281 --> 00:14:05,944.23936281 You know, I knew people in high school that were refusing to date for a period of like six months, or turning down, let's say, specific forms of sex with Catholic school girlfriends, because that's how it spreads. 146 00:14:05,944.24036281 --> 00:14:07,414.24036281 Man, you know, look at Magic Johnson. 147 00:14:07,834.24036281 --> 00:14:13,714.24036281 And this went on and on, uh, throughout, uh, much of a later life. 148 00:14:13,714.24036281 --> 00:14:19,374.24036281 I mean, the panic about teen pregnancy, that you can have it all stuff directed at business women. 149 00:14:19,374.24036281 --> 00:14:25,254.23986281 Like you don't want to ruin your life by having a kid too early, make partner at 40 and then have two kids. 150 00:14:25,254.23986281 --> 00:14:35,364.24036281 I mean, people used to have the shirts, you know, and I, I think gradually you realize, of course, that, I mean, peak human fertility, it's awkward to talk about is, you know, upper middle class males, but it's 23. 151 00:14:35,794.34036281 --> 00:14:37,684.14036281 24. 152 00:14:37,944.24036281 --> 00:14:55,564.23936281 So this, this narrative has been promoted our entire life and that's why people aren't having kids and as you see the effects of that in the Caucasian community, upper middle class black community across the native born population, that's when I think you started seeing a huge focus on mass migration. 153 00:14:55,574.24036281 --> 00:14:57,14.24036281 Like, well, we've got to do something. 154 00:14:57,474.24036281 --> 00:15:02,914.24036281 So I think if there's a conspiracy there, it's even sketchier than well, they realized they need new consumer units. 155 00:15:02,914.24036281 --> 00:15:03,584.24036281 It's sort of. 156 00:15:03,584.34036281 --> 00:15:03,759.14036281 Okay. 157 00:15:03,989.24036281 --> 00:15:08,499.24036281 Well, we're kind of tired of some of these recalcitrant people that we have in the United States. 158 00:15:08,509.24036281 --> 00:15:13,399.24036281 Like, if we, we need to import new serfs, would be, would be the take there. 159 00:15:14,339.24036281 --> 00:15:16,429.24036281 Um, and yeah, that, that's something I worry about. 160 00:15:16,429.24036281 --> 00:15:29,229.23936281 Like, I don't, I don't think there'd be any problem at all with importing the Latin American middle class, honestly, given the system that was in place when the Irish and Italian middle classes were coming to the USA. 161 00:15:29,984.24036281 --> 00:15:53,204.24036281 Like somewhat brutal assimilation Uh a really shared core national identity military service for men that kind of thing But we've moved away from that to a point where yeah There probably will be some issues if we're uh, we're split 50 50 white and poc And many people lack any sort of national identity in, in a couple of decades. 162 00:15:54,174.24036281 --> 00:15:55,164.24036281 What a grim story. 163 00:15:55,394.24036281 --> 00:16:08,604.24036281 What about, uh, the idea of a gold card that Trump has instituted 5 million to buy your way to the United States to pay off our debt and import people, uh, who have assets and, and wherewithal. 164 00:16:09,764.24036281 --> 00:16:14,994.24036281 Actually for that, I mean, I don't, I think that's one of those things that you're supposed to be against on some kind of vague moral grounds. 165 00:16:15,14.24036281 --> 00:16:16,124.24036281 Nah, I support it. 166 00:16:16,134.24036281 --> 00:16:20,214.24036281 Which is weird because it's the same thing that New Zealand does as well as Switzerland. 167 00:16:20,334.24036281 --> 00:16:24,274.24036281 It costs something like 300, 000 minimum to get into Switzerland. 168 00:16:26,14.24036281 --> 00:16:27,204.24036281 That's what a lot of countries do. 169 00:16:27,244.24036281 --> 00:16:38,344.23936281 I mean, no, but I mean like the, the basic idea that you can just as a person of any background immigrate to any country is a very new world phenomenon. 170 00:16:38,794.23936281 --> 00:16:43,904.2393628 And once when I had a class full of very woke students and a political science course, I actually had them test this. 171 00:16:44,424.2403628 --> 00:16:53,304.2403628 So, I mean, we're in, you know, the capital city of one of the major states, you know, then everyone has a phone, DC is, you know, two seconds away by dial. 172 00:16:53,674.2403628 --> 00:17:06,284.2393628 I had them contact a couple of embassies and ask, you know, what would it take to move to India? You know, I'm a graduate student at a state university and people were explicitly polite, but it was like, well, you'd either have to pay us a million dollars or you'd have to be ethnically Indian. 173 00:17:06,944.2403628 --> 00:17:16,704.2393628 What do you mean by ethnically Indian? Well, we mean brown and of the Shatria caste from the provinces of, you know, Gujarat or Rissa or like it was, it was very bluntly explained. 174 00:17:17,224.2393628 --> 00:17:23,924.2403628 So the basic idea that you have to contribute something to the country or be part of the founding stock of the country is. 175 00:17:24,314.2403628 --> 00:17:30,374.2403628 Extremely common globally, uh, in the United States, like we obviously have the green card process. 176 00:17:30,384.2403628 --> 00:17:41,334.2393628 Still, if you don't have the 5 million, it's not just going to be rich people, but if you've got 5 million bucks, or I would add a recently patented invention, I don't, I don't see any reason why we wouldn't let you jump to the front of the line. 177 00:17:41,334.2413628 --> 00:17:43,704.2403628 You're obviously a contributor and come here and start a business. 178 00:17:44,174.2403628 --> 00:17:49,74.2403628 The one thing that's clearly going to happen, of course, is we're going to get a lot of dope dealers and Chinese spies and so on. 179 00:17:49,74.2403628 --> 00:17:53,324.2403628 You're going to have to vet the ranks of these people very, very closely. 180 00:17:53,804.2403628 --> 00:18:07,4.2403628 How did you get your money? You know, Mr Wang, you know, like you can't pay in dollar bills coming in, right? Yeah, you can't, you gotta, there's gotta, you can't untraceable and transfers from cartago. 181 00:18:08,274.2403628 --> 00:18:13,724.2403628 I mean, like you, there would have to be some way of verifying that people are who they say they are. 182 00:18:13,724.3403628 --> 00:18:17,634.2403628 You'd have to look at the kind of paper they were using if they're coming from Latin America. 183 00:18:17,664.2403628 --> 00:18:18,314.1403628 I mean, okay. 184 00:18:18,774.2403628 --> 00:18:51,904.2403628 But in general, I don't really object to the idea you get the suns and Nigerian princes and Chinese inventors and this kind of thing I mean, you're not so I want to pivot here real quick to get your reaction a couple other relevant stories What is your perspective on doge and what they're up to for reference Jeffrey Tucker thinks that so far they've been cutting basically Nonsense out of the budget and 50 60 billion dollars, which is nothing and he thinks that it's mostly unserious at this point Yeah, I like Jeffrey Tucker from, uh, formerly of Brownstone as I recall. 185 00:18:51,904.2403628 --> 00:18:54,784.2403628 He's a good guy and a good, good, uh, good scholar. 186 00:18:54,804.2403628 --> 00:18:57,474.2403628 Um, yeah, so that's, that's pretty much correct. 187 00:18:57,694.2403628 --> 00:19:00,704.2403628 I, no, I, I, again, 60 billion isn't nothing. 188 00:19:00,714.2403628 --> 00:19:03,414.2403628 I mean, even for Elon Musk, that's a good, like, two weeks work. 189 00:19:03,774.2403628 --> 00:19:06,944.2393628 But I don't think a lot of people understand how the budget works. 190 00:19:07,344.2403628 --> 00:19:10,144.2403628 So the United States budget is on the order of 6 trillion. 191 00:19:11,444.2403628 --> 00:19:15,24.2403628 And most of the budget is what's called relatively uncontrollable spending. 192 00:19:15,489.2403628 --> 00:19:18,99.2403628 I mean, it's the social security quote unquote lockbox. 193 00:19:18,119.2403628 --> 00:19:25,349.2403628 It's Medicare, Medicaid, regular welfare, which breaks out into Section 8, SNAP, which is food stamps. 194 00:19:25,359.2403628 --> 00:19:27,619.2403628 All these, these preset programs. 195 00:19:28,9.2403628 --> 00:19:29,259.2403628 Then it's defense. 196 00:19:29,559.2403628 --> 00:19:40,199.2403628 And then once you get through social security, I eat a lockbox, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare and defense, you get everything else, which is you might correct me, but 14 percent of the budget, something like that. 197 00:19:40,379.2403628 --> 00:19:41,989.2403628 Oh, there's also debt service. 198 00:19:42,229.2393628 --> 00:19:46,999.2403628 So after you get through the things I just described, 11 percent of the budget is paying the interest on our debt. 199 00:19:47,419.2403628 --> 00:19:54,779.2393628 So anything that's built up on a bearer bond you hold, which is technically us debt, anything we owe to the Chinese, so on down the line. 200 00:19:55,389.2403628 --> 00:20:01,599.2403628 Um, and after that, again, you get back to 12 or 14 percent that's spent on everything else. 201 00:20:01,989.2403628 --> 00:20:07,59.2403628 So when people talk about government waste, they're talking entirely about the everything else category. 202 00:20:07,539.2403628 --> 00:20:25,999.2403628 And it's fun to go into the everything else category and find out that we're running homosexual llama farms in Kosovo or something like that, but that, that's never Where the majority of the money is going to come from we're never going to spend that much on homosexual llama farming It's so like to get really we discriminate. 203 00:20:26,9.2393628 --> 00:20:27,179.2393628 That's why we don't spend more. 204 00:20:27,219.2393628 --> 00:20:27,999.2403628 But anyways, go ahead. 205 00:20:28,319.2403628 --> 00:20:33,189.2403628 Yeah, that's right If those are those are straight llamas Then white fur. 206 00:20:33,669.2403628 --> 00:20:43,709.2403628 Yeah Disgusting what's going on? But anyway, but like all that stuff like they're I remember one of the things Elon cut, and I actually follow Elon on Twitter. 207 00:20:43,709.2403628 --> 00:20:44,779.2403628 He follows me, in fact. 208 00:20:45,89.2403628 --> 00:20:48,709.2403628 So I was able to hear about some of this on a blow by blow, uh, kind of basis. 209 00:20:49,49.2403628 --> 00:20:53,829.2403628 But like, one of the things they cut was like a 75, 000 for a transgender comic book in Peru. 210 00:20:54,369.2393628 --> 00:20:59,764.1403628 And it's kind of funny, you know, that's a crazy amount of money to spend on a transgender comic book in Peru. 211 00:21:00,224.2403628 --> 00:21:04,154.2403628 You know, it costs maybe 10 cents an issue to print a book, even to the level of DC or Marvel. 212 00:21:04,154.2403628 --> 00:21:05,834.2403628 There's some kid partying down there, probably. 213 00:21:05,834.3403628 --> 00:21:08,344.2393628 I spend a dollar on a comp book in Perth. 214 00:21:08,674.2403628 --> 00:21:11,54.2393628 And that's the argument, right? Absolutely, yeah. 215 00:21:11,304.2403628 --> 00:21:16,444.2393628 But I mean, there's a secondary level of 75, 000 is a mediocre job. 216 00:21:16,464.2393628 --> 00:21:19,714.2403628 It's not for one person for one year. 217 00:21:19,714.2403628 --> 00:21:24,434.2403628 It's not really, that's not what the majority of our budget spend is going on. 218 00:21:24,704.2403628 --> 00:21:27,794.2403628 So yeah, Elon has cut billions of dollars worth of that kind of thing. 219 00:21:27,794.2403628 --> 00:21:29,164.2403628 I mean, basically good for him. 220 00:21:29,174.2403628 --> 00:21:29,724.2403628 But. 221 00:21:30,99.2403628 --> 00:21:31,879.2403628 Yeah, it's not going to make an impact. 222 00:21:32,129.2403628 --> 00:21:43,259.2403628 The other thing with that is that when you make those kind of cuts and they go deep at all, so he really did get rid of a lot of USAID, Trump proved that would close the doors of a lot of USAID missions. 223 00:21:43,859.2403628 --> 00:21:46,419.2393628 There are also real things that go along with that. 224 00:21:46,419.2413628 --> 00:21:50,59.2403628 And you can say this is kind of hostage puppy in the old business school scenario. 225 00:21:50,414.2403628 --> 00:21:51,874.2403628 But the real things are there. 226 00:21:52,474.2403628 --> 00:21:59,714.2393628 So, like, right now, as I understand, we're no longer, and I understand this from people that are on the ground in other countries, we're no longer running PREPFAR, which is the U. 227 00:21:59,714.2393628 --> 00:21:59,824.2393628 S. 228 00:21:59,824.2403628 --> 00:22:00,894.2393628 Anti AIDS Program. 229 00:22:01,984.2403628 --> 00:22:04,644.2403628 And this, this is established under, uh, Mr. 230 00:22:04,684.2403628 --> 00:22:05,444.2398628 Bush, George W. 231 00:22:05,444.2398628 --> 00:22:05,854.2393628 Bush. 232 00:22:06,344.2403628 --> 00:22:09,404.2393628 And basically, we're giving PREP at third world prices. 233 00:22:09,424.2393628 --> 00:22:11,904.2403628 PREP is the HIV antiviral. 234 00:22:11,904.2403628 --> 00:22:13,874.2403628 Like, if you take it, you're probably not going to get AIDS. 235 00:22:13,874.3403628 --> 00:22:16,264.2403628 If you have HIV, you're not going to get full blown AIDS. 236 00:22:16,964.2403628 --> 00:22:25,64.2393628 Um, we were giving this to a large number of people in high risk regions of Africa, like African prostitutes, male truck drivers, this kind of thing. 237 00:22:25,534.2403628 --> 00:22:29,394.2393628 And as a result, probably millions of people have not contracted AIDS. 238 00:22:29,404.2403628 --> 00:22:33,864.2398628 So HIV transmission rates are down from 30 percent or whatever they were at their peak. 239 00:22:33,864.2398628 --> 00:22:36,64.2413628 I'm not an epidemiologist to say 10%. 240 00:22:36,694.2403628 --> 00:22:41,964.2403628 And this is, this is very beneficial because West African immigrants to the United States are actually really high performing. 241 00:22:42,244.2403628 --> 00:22:45,534.2403628 But one problem with that group was that they used to have a very high HIV rate. 242 00:22:45,544.2403628 --> 00:22:45,854.2393628 Now they don't. 243 00:22:47,4.2403628 --> 00:22:53,774.2403628 So if you have a whole bunch of people coming over here that are going to be doctors, you don't want them to have AIDS in the hospital. 244 00:22:53,964.2403628 --> 00:22:57,734.2403628 Like there are practical reasons you don't want a lot of people to have AIDS. 245 00:22:58,114.2403628 --> 00:23:01,964.2393628 So I mean, we, we are, we ended up cutting this program. 246 00:23:01,964.2403628 --> 00:23:03,44.2403628 I think this is the point. 247 00:23:03,514.2403628 --> 00:23:05,364.2398628 And now we're kind of figuring out what to do. 248 00:23:05,364.2398628 --> 00:23:14,564.2403628 I mean, are we going to reinstate just that as opposed to the rest of USAID? So when you come in there, like Elon actually did the old CEO meme where he was holding a chainsaw. 249 00:23:15,44.2403628 --> 00:23:22,124.2403628 When you come in there like a chainsaw Jim Duggan or whatever, like the CEO for GE back in the day, you make a lot of these mistakes. 250 00:23:22,124.2403628 --> 00:23:31,234.2403628 And the question is, can you, can you fix them? Yeah, I thought that that, um, that the chainsaw antics are sort of like Trump off teleprompter, totally unnecessary. 251 00:23:31,514.2403628 --> 00:23:40,234.2403628 You don't need to go down to Argentina, have Javier Mele give you a chrome chainsaw, and then have a WWE style hat, trucker hat, and some, uh, Ray Bans on. 252 00:23:40,534.2403628 --> 00:23:44,914.2403628 You know, my thought was, Elon, put on a suit, sit down. 253 00:23:45,54.2403628 --> 00:23:49,384.2403628 Talk reasonably, look like you're a statesman, don't freak people out. 254 00:23:49,654.2403628 --> 00:23:51,514.2403628 Um, so that's one thing. 255 00:23:51,524.2403628 --> 00:24:06,44.2403628 And what about your thoughts on the war on Ukraine and the blow up in the oval office this past week between Zelensky and Trump and Vance? Well, I think this is another one of those of just like, sorry. 256 00:24:07,774.2403628 --> 00:24:33,724.2403628 Um, I think this is another one of those you'd prefer people just act in a normal kind of coherent way I would actually I kind of blame zalinsky for this more than trump advance now that i've watched the entire clip because Most of the clip was trump advance kind of dropping subtle hints Like, yeah, when that minerals deals in place, nobody's going to mess with the thousand or so us workers, it'll be in that country with us splitting the profit. 257 00:24:34,4.2403628 --> 00:24:37,14.2393628 Like, so they're, they're trying to give these backdoor security assurances. 258 00:24:37,14.2393628 --> 00:24:46,804.2403628 If you watch the full 42 minutes to Zelinsky saying, look, you didn't bribe us, but we wanted something as payment for us involvement, we got that. 259 00:24:47,974.2403628 --> 00:24:51,274.2403628 And we got that. 260 00:24:51,314.2403628 --> 00:24:57,254.2393628 And so we're going to be working very closely with Ukraine in the near future. 261 00:24:57,954.2403628 --> 00:25:00,824.2403628 And Zelensky just kind of isn't accepting that. 262 00:25:00,834.2403628 --> 00:25:03,934.2403628 Like, I get the feeling he wants a very explicit guarantee. 263 00:25:04,924.2403628 --> 00:25:10,224.2398628 And he also seems to have some other issues with the full conversation. 264 00:25:10,224.2398628 --> 00:25:19,254.2403628 So he's saying, for example, that, uh, what did, what are all the things he said in that conversation? We need to, we're not going to make any deals with a killer. 265 00:25:20,9.2403628 --> 00:25:24,119.2403628 We need to keep Europe fully involved in, in this conversation. 266 00:25:24,559.2403628 --> 00:25:26,39.2403628 We're not giving up anything. 267 00:25:26,129.2403628 --> 00:25:32,739.2393628 So I think Zelensky is kind of saying what he's been saying through the, the entire process of the war. 268 00:25:33,349.2403628 --> 00:25:39,529.2403628 And he finally begins to get hostile with Trump and Vance when he realizes, well, this probably isn't going to going to work. 269 00:25:39,989.2403628 --> 00:25:44,449.2403628 And that's when they start yelling back and forth and he gets, uh, frankly tossed out of the meeting. 270 00:25:45,139.2403628 --> 00:25:48,439.2403628 Um, I don't think it was a good performance by any of them. 271 00:25:48,439.2403628 --> 00:25:50,129.2403628 That's stuff you work out beforehand. 272 00:25:50,969.2403628 --> 00:26:01,949.2403628 But you know, Zelensky goal was kind of going in there and closing this deal and showing he had continued support from his large ally and he was the guy who didn't do that. 273 00:26:01,949.2403628 --> 00:26:03,689.2403628 So, I mean, a, a large chunk of that is on him. 274 00:26:04,529.2403628 --> 00:26:10,919.2403628 He did try to strong, it's some like eye issue here, but look, you wanna take it? No, it's pretty much through now. 275 00:26:10,919.2403628 --> 00:26:11,489.2403628 Just blinking a lot. 276 00:26:12,699.2403628 --> 00:26:13,709.2403628 So, I agree with you. 277 00:26:13,709.2403628 --> 00:26:17,939.2403628 I thought that Zelensky was very passive aggressive at first, and then became aggressive. 278 00:26:18,99.2403628 --> 00:26:22,299.2403628 He almost seemed to, uh, believe that he could strong arm Trump in public. 279 00:26:22,799.2403628 --> 00:26:31,259.2403628 Taking no account, apparently, as to who Trump is, which is an entirely disagreeable recalcitrant man, who does not like to be leveraged at all. 280 00:26:31,389.2403628 --> 00:26:33,59.2403628 That's totally against his ethos. 281 00:26:33,864.2403628 --> 00:26:42,944.2403628 That being said, um, you know, it had terrible optics, the meeting, you know, that, um, they were all shouting at each other and, and Trump is saying, you don't have the cards and so forth. 282 00:26:42,954.2403628 --> 00:27:05,964.2403628 In the context of his recent statements calling Zelensky a dictator and having really unfortunate wordplay in front of the media on this, um, I think that the American public Was primed to view this as some kind of a failure and debacle of the administration, and perhaps in some ways it was because this sort of thing should have happened, as you mentioned, behind closed doors prior to a public display. 283 00:27:06,794.2403628 --> 00:27:08,624.2403628 That's the way it would have been done in the past. 284 00:27:08,624.2403628 --> 00:27:17,944.2403628 Y'all would meet, uh, behind closed doors, come to an arrangement and an agreement, and then present the sort of coiffed veneer to the cameras. 285 00:27:18,154.2393628 --> 00:27:24,634.2393628 They didn't do that, which some people like, but I think most people are not prepared to view that kind of raw footage that way. 286 00:27:24,634.2393628 --> 00:27:26,854.2403628 It's very destabilizing psychologically. 287 00:27:29,69.2403628 --> 00:27:39,779.2393628 Yeah, that was the, that was the thing that struck me the most like, I mean, my fiance described it as amateur hour where you, the basic idea of three guys yelling at each other in a meeting. 288 00:27:39,839.2403628 --> 00:27:48,9.2403628 I mean, we've seen this in meetings, not there's nothing straight striking about it, but you're talking about a situation here where perhaps a million people have died in this war so far. 289 00:27:48,649.2403628 --> 00:28:02,389.2393628 And your, the question is, can you guys arrive at this deal? Involving rare earth minerals and security guarantees and all of these other things and then present it to the cameras if you can't, why is there a press conference? Right. 290 00:28:02,389.2403628 --> 00:28:09,909.2393628 What are what are all these people who themselves are very important lead reporters from? Well, none of them are part, but I mean, lead reporters, NBC and so on. 291 00:28:09,909.2413628 --> 00:28:12,479.2403628 What are they doing there? So, I mean. 292 00:28:12,649.2403628 --> 00:28:15,149.2403628 You'd assume that all the shouting would have been worked out beforehand. 293 00:28:15,159.2403628 --> 00:28:17,519.2403628 You'd assume that they would know what they were going to say. 294 00:28:17,519.2403628 --> 00:28:23,709.2403628 They'd all have a little notepad in their hands and they would do this for 20 or 30 minutes and do bunny hug each other. 295 00:28:23,709.2403628 --> 00:28:26,459.2403628 And then they would close the conference. 296 00:28:26,469.2393628 --> 00:28:29,119.2393628 So yeah, it was, it was surprising to see that not happen. 297 00:28:29,599.2403628 --> 00:28:32,879.2403628 I actually suspect Zelensky probably had his notes. 298 00:28:32,879.2403628 --> 00:28:41,749.2398628 I mean, there's been some speculation behind the scenes that Zelensky knew what he was going to do and then was contacted by advisors in Europe and on the U. 299 00:28:41,749.2398628 --> 00:28:41,979.2393628 S. 300 00:28:41,979.2403628 --> 00:28:44,199.2393628 left and told not to do it. 301 00:28:44,419.2393628 --> 00:28:46,339.2403628 I haven't seen any proof of that. 302 00:28:46,339.2403628 --> 00:28:47,649.2398628 It's come from people like P. 303 00:28:47,649.2398628 --> 00:28:47,809.2393628 T. 304 00:28:47,819.2393628 --> 00:28:49,69.2393628 Keenan online. 305 00:28:49,634.2403628 --> 00:28:55,904.2403628 Uh, who I know are in relationships with or have contact with people who have been in past administrations, but who aren't themselves. 306 00:28:56,184.2403628 --> 00:28:59,914.2403628 So, I mean, I'd have to see some, some verification of that. 307 00:29:00,264.2393628 --> 00:29:12,554.2403628 But the idea is someone contacted Zelensky, Zelensky was told, you know, the world is with you, don't give in, and he then grandstanded a little bit, and Trump said, well, no, I mean, we actually had a deal. 308 00:29:13,84.2403628 --> 00:29:14,304.2403628 We were going to sign the deal. 309 00:29:14,304.2403628 --> 00:29:15,994.2403628 That's what this conference is for and throw them out. 310 00:29:16,834.2403628 --> 00:29:21,854.2403628 So, I mean, if that is true, that explains a little of it, but, but yeah, the other nest optics are. 311 00:29:22,719.3028628 --> 00:29:29,809.3028628 Interesting, uh, that he would believe that, because the assurances given by Keir Starmer were nothing short of bizarre this past weekend. 312 00:29:29,819.3028628 --> 00:29:33,249.3028628 Like, he wants Irish and English boots on the ground in Ukraine. 313 00:29:33,469.3028628 --> 00:29:40,999.3028628 Just for reference, I believe the UK has around 50, 000 standing infantrymen, which is about the same size as the military of, um, Algeria. 314 00:29:41,529.3018628 --> 00:29:49,129.3028628 Uh, the idea that they're gonna go and, and make a, a resistance in, in Ukraine with the Ukrainians is, is Totally bizarre. 315 00:29:49,929.3028628 --> 00:29:56,879.3023628 I guess Ukraine could rely on, on the EU, were they to replace the amount of money that the United States is piping in. 316 00:29:56,879.3023628 --> 00:30:11,889.3028628 But I don't think they're inclined to do that, do you? No, I mean, so like what this reminds me of, I was a while ago, I watched one of the old DC Justice League movies where Superman dies and the opening portion of the movie. 317 00:30:11,889.3028628 --> 00:30:12,959.3028628 And there's a point to this. 318 00:30:13,139.3028628 --> 00:30:25,439.3028628 The opening portion of the movie is the rest of the Justice League who are also impressive, but much weaker in terms of their, their magic powers or whatever you like getting really aggressive and doing superhero shit. 319 00:30:25,439.3028628 --> 00:30:28,439.3028628 And they eventually end up pissing off one of the ancient gods. 320 00:30:28,854.3028628 --> 00:30:55,609.3028628 The older gods or whatever they're called dark side or some such thing And he ends up fighting with all of them and is probably going to beat them until like superman magically returns Now these movies are all written for 12 year old boys, but you couldn't help thinking about this when You see trump just storm off the stage and then all of these other countries like norway britain India briefly someone are saying to ukraine, you know, we've got your back We'll blow up the world. 321 00:30:55,609.3028628 --> 00:30:57,19.3028628 We don't need the USA for that. 322 00:30:57,359.3028628 --> 00:31:02,79.3028628 Like there, there is that feeling of like the secondary superheroes are now piling in. 323 00:31:02,649.3028628 --> 00:31:09,139.3028628 I personally think Russia with, you know, 20, 000 troops from China or North Korea could probably beat all of them. 324 00:31:09,969.3028628 --> 00:31:12,59.3028628 I mean, I don't, I don't actually, I don't know if that's true. 325 00:31:12,69.3018628 --> 00:31:14,889.3028628 Russia's already hung up in Ukraine and barely winning that war. 326 00:31:15,69.3028628 --> 00:31:27,339.3018628 So they, they have a second power that they're dealing with, but I don't know if the EU countries really want an on the ground war in Eastern Europe that would extend into next winter. 327 00:31:27,339.3028628 --> 00:31:28,899.3028628 I think that would be a simpler way of putting it. 328 00:31:28,909.3018628 --> 00:31:29,729.3018628 Whoever wins. 329 00:31:30,149.3028628 --> 00:31:35,49.3028628 I don't really see Britain, France, Spain, and so on having a lot of enthusiasm for that. 330 00:31:35,789.3028628 --> 00:31:43,829.3028628 The obvious objection to any kind of ceasefire extended ceasefire and then deal would be that it just emboldens countries like Russia to take over. 331 00:31:44,389.3028628 --> 00:31:49,639.3028628 Tracks of land in neighboring countries and then reach a ceasefire to permanently claim them. 332 00:31:50,19.3028628 --> 00:31:54,519.3023628 And so, but however, this is where we are and I think Trump is such a pragmatist. 333 00:31:54,519.3023628 --> 00:32:01,739.3018628 He's such a materialist being that he's saying, look, this has already happened and it's not getting reversed and it's a mistake and a foible. 334 00:32:01,899.3028628 --> 00:32:03,969.3028628 We've got to end it now and cut our losses. 335 00:32:04,319.3028628 --> 00:32:07,379.3028628 Um, whether you agree with that or not, I think that is his position. 336 00:32:07,379.3028628 --> 00:32:10,639.3028628 So, um, Let's let's call it here. 337 00:32:10,669.3028628 --> 00:32:11,19.3028628 Dr. 338 00:32:11,19.3028628 --> 00:32:11,569.3028628 Riley. 339 00:32:11,649.3028628 --> 00:32:31,219.3018628 I think we've heard some very good analysis so far And it's giving people an idea as to how you're seeing the world Which is why they've tuned in to real clear to catch this episode with professor Wilford Riley as I'd mentioned His books are listed below a political science professor at Kentucky State University and author of the excellent work Thank you so much. 340 00:32:31,219.3018628 --> 00:32:31,409.3018628 Dr. 341 00:32:31,459.3028628 --> 00:32:31,869.3028628 Riley. 342 00:32:33,119.3028628 --> 00:32:33,259.3028628 All right. 343 00:32:33,259.3028628 --> 00:32:34,389.3028628 Thanks a lot as always.