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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, I'm Joan.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
And I'm Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (00:02):
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(01:16):
We'll judge you all the thingsif you're not scarred, Jimmy.
So I feel like we've had alittle bit of time in between,
like shooting our podcast.
We've been super busy.
We've been traveling uh, we wentto bermuda lately we sure did
with all the fam and we learnedthat we can't afford real estate
(01:39):
in bermuda what was the lowest,like 1.7 million, was like a
fixer-upper out there.
Yes, it was beautiful, thefood's good, the drinks are
amazing, amazing guys Y'all.
They have like charcoal.
What was it Burnt?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
charcoal.
It was a burnt like anactivated charcoal gin drink and
it was really good and I wasactivated.
We certainly were activated.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yes, yes so bermuda was a yes, so we took some time
off, kind of, with the family,had a really good time.
Uh, real estate in bermuda nogo for now.
You know, if you guys wouldlike and share us and tell your
friends, one day we will besponsored enough to do this
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Only a hundred more episodes ofthis, guys, and we will be
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Speaker 2 (02:24):
Only 100 more episodes of Disguise and we will
be in there like swimwear.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
That's it.
That's not swimwear Holler atyour people Not medium swimwear,
medium, all right.
So anyway, but we're back, andtoday is election day, and we're
not talking about that, though,right.
And we're not talking aboutthat, though right, because
we're going to stick to realestate and keep it moving before
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everyone deletes us.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Because I'm sure we'd piss everyone off, no matter
who you're voting for.
So we're at episode 11, youknow, on that 1-1.
So we received an email.
Remember, tell us what youthink, how we handle it, all the
things.
This is a pretty good one, Ithink it's.
(03:13):
Anyway, this one we callSnitches, get stitches, just hit
them with it.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I need to vent about something that's been driving me
insane in this business.
I've been wholesaling for a fewyears now and lately these
slimy buyers.
So I need to vent aboutsomething that's been driving me
insane in this business.
I've been wholesaling for a fewyears now and lately these
slimy buyers are really startingto screw me over.
I'm talking about the ones whoagree to a price and then at the
last minute pull some shady,drawn-out negotiation crap just
to beat me down.
They're playing games, draggingtheir feet, nitpicking every
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tiny detail, just to push meinto a corner.
It's like they think if theymake me suffer long enough, I'll
cave and drop the price.
And guess what?
Sometimes I have no choice andI lose my deal.
Now I'm stuck going back to thesellers looking like a damn
fool, trying to renegotiatedeals.
You think they're happy?
Of course not.
So not only am I losing deals,but these buyers are wrecking my
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relationship with sellers andit's starting to give me a bad
rep.
I've always prided myself onrunning my business with honesty
and transparency, but what thehell can I do when these buyers
are pulling this dirty crapbehind the scenes?
It's infuriating and it'smaking me question if this
business is even worth itanymore.
I'm sick of playing these games, but if I don't, I'm the only
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one getting burned.
I can't help but feel like I'mgetting pushed out by these
snakes and it pisses me off soinfuriating.
With the last buyer who callsme a deal.
I called a complainant to theirwork.
That I'm sure okay he wentnuclear.
I called a complainant to theirwork.
That I'm sure will lead to themgetting fired.
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Let's see how they like it.
I can't pay my mortgage.
You can't pay your mortgage.
I know the real estate gameisn't for the faint of heart,
but I'm at my breaking point.
Sign the jokes on you, josephman.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Oh my, I mean, this really took a left turn.
I wasn't expecting that when, Iread this right, like I
expected.
Oh no, what do I do?
Right?
Uh.
But he pulled to pull the batout of the closet.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
This is with the sock on.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
This is joseph going for the juggler you know juggler
joseph, so you know I would sayI I was ready with my.
But I really want to talk aboutthe fact that to you I need to
circle back to the real stuffbecause you called and got and
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trying to get that man firedbecause he found out who knows,
he may have found out that therewas foundation issues.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Anything could happen .
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I mean, that's why non-refundable EMDs are there.
That's right, but you'remessing with this man's
livelihood.
I feel like this is like a 60minute start of an episode.
Right or fear thy neighbor.
Ooh new show, fear thywholesaler.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Look, you can mess around with the wrong one,
juggler Joseph, because peopledon't play when it comes to
their jobs.
If you can't feed your family,you're going to have a serious
problem, so we're going todefinitely dive into this one.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
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Speaker 1 (06:45):
The Quick Closing.
You know, joseph, I think thatyou went a little too hard.
Now I'm all for getting pissedthat people don't do what they
say.
In fact, I was talking aboutthis to someone just yesterday
and they're a funny fact.
People call and ask me foradvice like real advice.
You don't say and it's funnybecause I always end with well,
here's what I would do.
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I give them the.
You know this is what youshould do, but here's what I
would do.
And so maybe we can share someof our favorite phrases.
That maybe would help, Joseph,you know, to get back at people
or get your point across,because I like to do that a lot.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
But I don't know that I would wreck someone's
livelihood, right, I'm going totake your deposit tarnish.
You know our relationship isdone but you gotta just move on
from that.
And it does hurt because you'relosing, sometimes 30 grand,
right, and I've been punched inthe throat, you know, and that
doesn't feel good, but you knowI think you went too far.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Absolutely.
Yeah, you did.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
So anyway.
So maybe we can give Josephsome advice.
Guys Like, if you're listening,maybe in the comments, drop
maybe what you say.
My favorite one is this.
It is from Scarface, which ismy favorite movie, fun fact if
you cared, but I love to say,especially because I'm a woman,
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I love to say hey, as a man, youonly have two things in this
world your word and your balls,and you're not supposed to break
either one.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I love that quote your word and your balls and
you're not supposed to breakeither one Fire.
I love that quote.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah, that makes people really upset, especially
if a woman says it right.
But, like you know, hit themwhere it hurts, Hurt their
feelings, hurt your spirit alittle bit, but damn don't take
the man's job.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, you got to.
There's a tactful ways, likeyou said, joan, I think there's.
You break that relationshipright, you move on from that
person?
Absolutely, you do that.
These are small circles.
We all are in a very small,tight knit circle in real estate
.
And if you tell one person, hey, this guy did me dirty, no love
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loss, Guess what, there's agood chance that he's going to
lose a lot of business becauseof that and you don't have to go
any further than that.
But you know, let's not try toget this man fired because he
backed out of a deal.
You know there's going to bemore money coming down the
pipeline and you never know hecould come back and he could say
something that's not true aboutyou and possibly interfere with
your business.
(09:20):
So take the high road.
I would say Don't go after theman's job, but definitely sever
your relationship.
Fool me once, shame on me.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
But yes, I would not go thatfar as to call the man's job.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yes, is that the saying or is it?
Fool me twice.
I'm going to kick your ass.
Fool me once shame on.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, I think that's more appropriate for this, at
least for Libra gang gang.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
So yes, fun fact, yeah, I think it's, it's really
tough and so so anyway, soJoseph, too far, my guy like
we're brutal but we're not evengoing to do that.
So nonrefundable emds like youcan't really control that people
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come back and go.
Sorry, I'm not closing.
People do it all the time.
That's why they'renon-refundable emds.
Right, depending on whereyou're listening to this from.
If we've made it out ofvirginia, which is fucking
amazing if we have, if you'reshout out, if you're not in
Virginia.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Drop it in the comments, where you are
listening from guys.
Drop it in the comments so wecan structure our marketing
accordingly.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Right, if you're in Virginia, you can make an EMD
non-refundable and I'm no lawyer, okay, but technically, um, the
lawyer, the title company, hasthe right to choose if they
release it or not, if they feelcomfortable.
Other States, not.
Every state is like that.
(10:53):
Every state is different, youknow.
I just don't know what statestate.
All I know is Virginia, cause Istay in my lane and so, but
sometimes even the attorneyshere go.
I don't feel you guys arearguing over the EMD because
people don't even want to givetheir EMDs back when they
default, Even they go no problem.
(11:14):
No problem, Right, and so I havesome really great language I
put in.
But even then sometimes theyfight me.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
You know, and I get it, the attorney has to go.
Whoa, I don't feel comfortable.
You know, if it's clear cut,you think they would, but not
all of them do.
So I think you choose yourattorneys wisely so you can at
least make those EMDs reallylarge, absolutely.
But none of this you cancontrol and you know what people
are going to find.
Now, now that we what we call,we're still talking about right
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out of COVID, it's going to getharder to do real estate.
People are going back to nine,to fives.
This is retail and wholesaling.
So, joseph although I knowthat's not your name because I
already know you make punk assmoves because you call people's
jobs.
So I already know your name'snot Joseph moves because you
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call people's jobs.
So I already know your name'snot joseph.
But for fun, joseph.
Um, you gotta just take thosehits and give yourselves.
You know you gotta giveyourself grace and just go.
All right, it fell apart, tryto save it, sell it to someone
else, but sometimes you justthink you were getting some.
Don't count your pennies inreal estate.
The moment you start counting,pinching your pennies, like hey,
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I'm about to get this in.
It's gone before you know.
You spent it already before yougot it in your head, so don't
do that.
You can't count on real estate.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
And I will say to that end that's a great point.
Juggler Joseph, don't put allyour eggs in one basket in this
game.
Juggler Joseph, don't put allyour eggs in one basket In this
game.
I know most wholesalers.
I know it's not their onlyAvenue of income.
So for one, I think it's greatadvice Get your large EMD down.
And here's a little tip, alittle trick that I learned Is
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if you give them the EMD sizeand they're like why is it so
big?
That's probably not your buyer.
If you give them the EMD sizeand they're like oh, why is it
so big?
That's probably not your buyer.
Right, like if you, if you'rebuying a house for 250 K and you
tell them, hey, I need a 5K,10k EMD and they're like man,
why has it got to be so high?
Usually I pay a thousand or twothousand.
They're probably not going toclose.
And I've had this happen.
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I've done this experiment.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
It's an exercise of psychology.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
So you can tell by their mannerisms and the way
they're communicating with youwhether or not they're likely to
close.
So you probably got somebodythat wasn't planning.
They just wanted to fish it out, see if they could either
wholesale the deal or either.
Just you know, hey, let me justkick the tire on this thing
until and back out, so yeah,that's right, jimmy.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I mean I have gotten a hundred percent financing on a
flip and then the wholesaler gono, no, I don't know, you now.
Everybody know me, everybodylove me.
No, but people know who I am inrichmond right, because I put
the time in right.
I'm also wonderful, but anywayso.
So I'm likeK.
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I'm Joan Small but I do it.
Yeah, you do it, especially ifit's a good deal right, yeah,
and you just do it.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
And here's the God's honest truth why you don't got
it.
If you don't got it, stop itJust stop.
You need to be on my side,wholesaling.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
You're not ready, and I think that's where you are,
because it sounds like if you'redesperate enough that you're
wanting to ruin someone'slivelihood by calling their job,
maybe you need to either figureout another way to make money
or maybe wholesaling is not foryou Because wholesaling is not a
reliable source of income.
Right, you can go three months,four months five months without
a deal, and it sounds likeyou're on your last.
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So, maybe it's not the rightfit.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, it's such a small pool of buyers who play
games and come to you at the end, you know like it's a very
small pool.
I mean, they're out there.
You deal more with that.
On the retail side they play alot of games like a lot Right,
and so I think it's such a smallpool that you just got to.
You know, go.
Okay, there must have beensomething wrong with the house.
(15:03):
Why would you want to sell thehouse to somebody that they
found a problem or wasn't there?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
You don't want one deal to kill your reputation.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
To me that's not it.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
You know so.
So yeah, so I would just say,you know, I agree.
I think we're on the same pagehere, right?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
But that's really fucked up.
Yeah, I think you took it toofar, man, but you know, maybe
reevaluate your businesspractices and your buyer pool as
well and just maybe recalibrate.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
So that's true.
So, jimmy, let's sayhypothetically, you have to go
back to a buyer because thisyour seller.
Sorry, this happens a lot, yeah, whether you're buying,
wholesaling, whatever you know,maybe Joseph's issue, he doesn't
know how to talk to the seller.
That's right.
Do you got like a one or twoliner that you use when you have
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to go back to decrease theprice?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah, yeah, I think I think the basis of that
conversation goes a littlesomething like this hey, you
know, I know we were trying toget you this, but the market has
changed.
You know, I just didn't get itright the first time.
Right, you take the blame.
You know this is on me, but Iwant to make this right for you.
Like, what do you need to makethis happen?
You know what number feelsbetter to you that still
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accomplishes the goal, right?
So the conversation is reallyjust predicated on look, I
didn't get it right the firsttime.
Things are changed.
They're not COVID prices.
You know interest rates are up.
You know you throw in all thatinformation they need and then
you can even talk to them aboutthe repairs it needs, right?
You're just hashing it out.
You know what would this costyou if you were to.
You know, hold on to thislonger Would it cost you?
You know you would pay 20 grandright to replace this roof,
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whatever the case is, and justwork backwards on the numbers
with them and just have aconversation, be very
transparent.
Like, I just can't get it doneat that price.
But, what if I could come in atthis number?
Would this still make you whole?
Is this something that we couldwork together and compromise?
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Sure, that's a really good one.
Here's one that's real fun.
You just say I'm sure you'veseen the news lately, and then
you're just gonna be quietBecause either they haven't and
don't wanna say that I mean whatgrownup says they haven't seen
the news.
Or they have, and the newsfucking tells you that
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everything is about to die, nomatter what.
And then you're gonna saylisten, because of that.
You know, here's a really goodreason, right.
Just say that Right, becausepeople understand that it's not
about manipulating people.
People understand that theydon't understand how much wood
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costs or how much really itcosts to fix crawl space.
You know, they don't understandthat.
Oh, my costs are going to bereally high.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
You know they don't understand that.
Oh, my costs are going to bereally high, right, you know
they don't understand it.
And they probably got a bid byyou know, crackhead, joseph,
joseph, we using your name,sorry and we're told 30 K when
really it's 100.
Right, you don't know.
So I don't know.
It's a really toughconversation, but one that has
to be had because, you know,right now it's a little slow for
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people.
They're getting a littlenervous.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
And I will say to that end also you hit it on the
head and I think that's a greatapproach, but the key in that
was having a conversation withthem in general.
And I think a lot of times whenwe don't get it right and we
don't get the numbers right,we're scared to have that
conversation with the seller.
We're scared to bring it up tothem.
(18:30):
So if you wait until the daybefore closing, you're like hey
look, can't move, this, got toget there.
Can you give me 30k off?
They're gonna be like kickrocks, right, yeah.
But if you're having aconversation with them, it's
like this is what we're tryingto do, you know, and you're like
you know, I'm going to try toget this done, but there's some
things I need to hash out.
You know I need to maybereevaluate this.
Stay tuned, but I want to.
You know, I want to betransparent with you along the
way.
Right, you have thatconversation with yourself.
(18:51):
You're way more likely to get aprice reduction when you need
it, because you're going to needit.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Oh yeah, a thousand percent.
So yeah, joseph, you know, I'mpretty sure people don't like
you, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
That tells me all that I need to know.
I want somebody to use theirreal name and like somebody we
can tag Like first and last.
Yeah, I need all of it.
Put your government out thereso we can like tag you and like
message you and be like come tothe show and talk about it.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
That would be nice.
You know, guys, let's work onthat.
I still want a show where weget Contractor versus you know
someone.
Guys, let's work on that, likelet's.
I still want a show where weget contractor versus you know
someone.
They fucked over.
You know, that would be prettyfun.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
They can't come here because they're on the dockets
in like Richmond City Courtright now.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
You know, I know that my haters listen, because I've
heard what you've said about meon my podcast.
I would like to invite you soyou know my phone number.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Shoot me a text how long have you had your phone
number?
By the way, I want to.
I just want I'm doing anexperiment to see how long
people have had phone numbers um, really great uh.
So I would say 2014 so you'vehad it for like 20 years.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
No, no, no, 2014.
Oh, 2014,.
Like 10 years, okay, yeah, Okay, snoop Dogg is hitting.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, no, I had to do some backwards so just 10 years
.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
So I moved to Richmond like 2011.
So maybe I've had it for 2013,.
Right, maybe something likethat.
So 10, 11, 10, 11.
Okay, I've had mine for like 25years.
Wow, that's a long time.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
So I'm still getting like people like yo.
I need your number.
I'm like yo.
I had my number like 20 yearsago when you weren't hitting me
up.
Listen.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I will say this before then.
My nickname was miss on themove.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Miss on the move.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, my nickname was Miss on the Move, miss on the.
Move, yeah, that's anotherpodcast, and so I would change
numbers a lot.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
You know, and so now I'm just kind of, you know, I'm
well grounded.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, you're grounded .
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I know I'm well grounded because I just bought
my first plant.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Did you really your first plant?
What kind of plant was it, Joan?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
So, fun fact, it's something called an easy plant.
Okay, because I don't have agreen thumb.
So we bought two plants andeasy plant.
Now you have to sponsor me andthey're not cheap but they give
you like a one year warranty.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
On the plant.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
On the plant because you only have to water it once a
month.
Okay, and it's it.
You water it once a month.
It's got this little like thing.
You pour your water in and yousit it near sunlight, yeah, and
that's it.
And it's got a one-yearwarranty so this is really funny
.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
So I got a shout out, my wife, megan, because, uh,
she, um, it's like the, theplant reviver, like she has a
like a secret talent of likelike bringing back really bad
off plants.
So she'll get them and they'relike literally on their last leg
and she, she takes the joy outof, you know, just bringing them
back to life.
So, um, you should definitelysend that plant to megan,
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because she'll, she'll probablybe like, oh yeah, this is what
you should do to keep it alivethat's great, just in case, even
though it's an easy plant, younever know yes, well, right now
it's just fresh out of the box,and so now I'm much grounded,
I'm very grounded.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Now, no more miss on the move.
I think it's official, uh, thatI'm a woman in my 40s.
I am just coming to thatresignation.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Was this a TikTok purchase?
Speaker 1 (22:31):
It was yes it certainly was.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
That is my hobby outside of real estate.
Kevin was probably there whenyou purchased it, like looking
over your shoulder, like whatare we doing?
I wait until he goes to his mancave.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Once he goes football season, his man cave.
Uh, once he goes footballseason, I'm buying stuff because
he's so occupied.
Um, so that's, you know, that'salways the plan.
So, um, well, you know.
So, joseph, like, go buy aplant and get your life together
, uh and uh.
Yeah, joseph, we're not a bigfan, so so if I had like a boo
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button for the podcast.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I would do it need.
Can we get that loop down wherewe have like sound effects like
we need to if young Metro don'ttrust me, I'm yes, I think, I
definitely think you should.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
So, guys, we really want to hear for you.
We and I'd like to know if youguys have ever done something,
because I wouldn't even callthis petty, this is just
trifling, and I just want to seeif you guys had done anything
right, like, have you, forbusiness sake, right, have you
went and tried to hurt someone?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
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Speaker 1 (23:54):
What you thought and you know we'll hit you back.
I think that's great.
So y'all know what time it isright Hip hop, quote time.
And so, joseph, here you go.
I believe that the energy youput out in the world, you get
back, jay-z.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Okay, I like it.
I like it, mine is.
Knowledge, wisdom andunderstanding brings long life
and health.
Think anything else and you'replaying yourself.
This is actually by Jeru theDamager.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
And just so you guys know, sometimes he speaks and
sometimes he doesn't.
Kevin's always in thebackground and he's always gonna
jump on the mic with hiship-hop quote.
Tell me what you got today wehave young dolph.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Road number one get the money.
Road number two don't forgetthe money.
Play by the rules, everythingwill be okay young dolph got it.
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so that's it for today's episode.
That's a wrap.
See you next time for more RealIsh Estate.
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We'll judge you all the thingsif you're not scarred, Jimmy.
So I feel like we've had alittle bit of time in between,
like shooting our podcast.
We've been super busy.
We've been traveling uh, we wentto bermuda lately we sure did
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in bermuda what was the lowest,like 1.7 million, was like a
fixer-upper out there.
Yes, it was beautiful, thefood's good, the drinks are
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Yes, yes so bermuda was a yes, so we took some time
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That's it.
That's not swimwear Holler atyour people Not medium swimwear,
medium, all right.
So anyway, but we're back, andtoday is election day, and we're
not talking about that, though,right.
And we're not talking aboutthat, though right, because
we're going to stick to realestate and keep it moving before
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everyone deletes us.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Because I'm sure we'd piss everyone off, no matter
who you're voting for.
So we're at episode 11, youknow, on that 1-1.
So we received an email.
Remember, tell us what youthink, how we handle it, all the
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This is a pretty good one, Ithink it's.
(03:13):
Anyway, this one we callSnitches, get stitches, just hit
them with it.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I need to vent about something that's been driving me
insane in this business.
I've been wholesaling for a fewyears now and lately these
slimy buyers.
So I need to vent aboutsomething that's been driving me
insane in this business.
I've been wholesaling for a fewyears now and lately these
slimy buyers are really startingto screw me over.
I'm talking about the ones whoagree to a price and then at the
last minute pull some shady,drawn-out negotiation crap just
to beat me down.
They're playing games, draggingtheir feet, nitpicking every
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tiny detail, just to push meinto a corner.
It's like they think if theymake me suffer long enough, I'll
cave and drop the price.
And guess what?
Sometimes I have no choice andI lose my deal.
Now I'm stuck going back to thesellers looking like a damn
fool, trying to renegotiatedeals.
You think they're happy?
Of course not.
So not only am I losing deals,but these buyers are wrecking my
(04:04):
relationship with sellers andit's starting to give me a bad
rep.
I've always prided myself onrunning my business with honesty
and transparency, but what thehell can I do when these buyers
are pulling this dirty crapbehind the scenes?
It's infuriating and it'smaking me question if this
business is even worth itanymore.
I'm sick of playing these games, but if I don't, I'm the only
(04:25):
one getting burned.
I can't help but feel like I'mgetting pushed out by these
snakes and it pisses me off soinfuriating.
With the last buyer who callsme a deal.
I called a complainant to theirwork.
That I'm sure okay he wentnuclear.
I called a complainant to theirwork.
That I'm sure will lead to themgetting fired.
(04:45):
Let's see how they like it.
I can't pay my mortgage.
You can't pay your mortgage.
I know the real estate gameisn't for the faint of heart,
but I'm at my breaking point.
Sign the jokes on you, josephman.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Oh my, I mean, this really took a left turn.
I wasn't expecting that when, Iread this right, like I
expected.
Oh no, what do I do?
Right?
Uh.
But he pulled to pull the batout of the closet.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
This is with the sock on.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
This is joseph going for the juggler you know juggler
joseph, so you know I would sayI I was ready with my.
But I really want to talk aboutthe fact that to you I need to
circle back to the real stuffbecause you called and got and
(05:34):
trying to get that man firedbecause he found out who knows,
he may have found out that therewas foundation issues.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Anything could happen .
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I mean, that's why non-refundable EMDs are there.
That's right, but you'remessing with this man's
livelihood.
I feel like this is like a 60minute start of an episode.
Right or fear thy neighbor.
Ooh new show, fear thywholesaler.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Look, you can mess around with the wrong one,
juggler Joseph, because peopledon't play when it comes to
their jobs.
If you can't feed your family,you're going to have a serious
problem, so we're going todefinitely dive into this one.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
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and homeowners to thousands ofcash buyers All over Virginia.
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Speaker 1 (06:45):
The Quick Closing.
You know, joseph, I think thatyou went a little too hard.
Now I'm all for getting pissedthat people don't do what they
say.
In fact, I was talking aboutthis to someone just yesterday
and they're a funny fact.
People call and ask me foradvice like real advice.
You don't say and it's funnybecause I always end with well,
here's what I would do.
(07:06):
I give them the.
You know this is what youshould do, but here's what I
would do.
And so maybe we can share someof our favorite phrases.
That maybe would help, Joseph,you know, to get back at people
or get your point across,because I like to do that a lot.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
But I don't know that I would wreck someone's
livelihood, right, I'm going totake your deposit tarnish.
You know our relationship isdone but you gotta just move on
from that.
And it does hurt because you'relosing, sometimes 30 grand,
right, and I've been punched inthe throat, you know, and that
doesn't feel good, but you knowI think you went too far.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Absolutely.
Yeah, you did.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
So anyway.
So maybe we can give Josephsome advice.
Guys Like, if you're listening,maybe in the comments, drop
maybe what you say.
My favorite one is this.
It is from Scarface, which ismy favorite movie, fun fact if
you cared, but I love to say,especially because I'm a woman,
(08:13):
I love to say hey, as a man, youonly have two things in this
world your word and your balls,and you're not supposed to break
either one.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I love that quote your word and your balls and
you're not supposed to breakeither one Fire.
I love that quote.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah, that makes people really upset, especially
if a woman says it right.
But, like you know, hit themwhere it hurts, Hurt their
feelings, hurt your spirit alittle bit, but damn don't take
the man's job.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, you got to.
There's a tactful ways, likeyou said, joan, I think there's.
You break that relationshipright, you move on from that
person?
Absolutely, you do that.
These are small circles.
We all are in a very small,tight knit circle in real estate
.
And if you tell one person, hey, this guy did me dirty, no love
(09:00):
loss, Guess what, there's agood chance that he's going to
lose a lot of business becauseof that and you don't have to go
any further than that.
But you know, let's not try toget this man fired because he
backed out of a deal.
You know there's going to bemore money coming down the
pipeline and you never know hecould come back and he could say
something that's not true aboutyou and possibly interfere with
your business.
(09:20):
So take the high road.
I would say Don't go after theman's job, but definitely sever
your relationship.
Fool me once, shame on me.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
But yes, I would not go thatfar as to call the man's job.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yes, is that the saying or is it?
Fool me twice.
I'm going to kick your ass.
Fool me once shame on.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, I think that's more appropriate for this, at
least for Libra gang gang.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
So yes, fun fact, yeah, I think it's, it's really
tough and so so anyway, soJoseph, too far, my guy like
we're brutal but we're not evengoing to do that.
So nonrefundable emds like youcan't really control that people
(10:09):
come back and go.
Sorry, I'm not closing.
People do it all the time.
That's why they'renon-refundable emds.
Right, depending on whereyou're listening to this from.
If we've made it out ofvirginia, which is fucking
amazing if we have, if you'reshout out, if you're not in
Virginia.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Drop it in the comments, where you are
listening from guys.
Drop it in the comments so wecan structure our marketing
accordingly.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Right, if you're in Virginia, you can make an EMD
non-refundable and I'm no lawyer, okay, but technically, um, the
lawyer, the title company, hasthe right to choose if they
release it or not, if they feelcomfortable.
Other States, not.
Every state is like that.
(10:53):
Every state is different, youknow.
I just don't know what statestate.
All I know is Virginia, cause Istay in my lane and so, but
sometimes even the attorneyshere go.
I don't feel you guys arearguing over the EMD because
people don't even want to givetheir EMDs back when they
default, Even they go no problem.
(11:14):
No problem, Right, and so I havesome really great language I
put in.
But even then sometimes theyfight me.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
You know, and I get it, the attorney has to go.
Whoa, I don't feel comfortable.
You know, if it's clear cut,you think they would, but not
all of them do.
So I think you choose yourattorneys wisely so you can at
least make those EMDs reallylarge, absolutely.
But none of this you cancontrol and you know what people
are going to find.
Now, now that we what we call,we're still talking about right
(11:44):
out of COVID, it's going to getharder to do real estate.
People are going back to nine,to fives.
This is retail and wholesaling.
So, joseph although I knowthat's not your name because I
already know you make punk assmoves because you call people's
jobs.
So I already know your name'snot Joseph moves because you
(12:04):
call people's jobs.
So I already know your name'snot joseph.
But for fun, joseph.
Um, you gotta just take thosehits and give yourselves.
You know you gotta giveyourself grace and just go.
All right, it fell apart, tryto save it, sell it to someone
else, but sometimes you justthink you were getting some.
Don't count your pennies inreal estate.
The moment you start counting,pinching your pennies, like hey,
(12:25):
I'm about to get this in.
It's gone before you know.
You spent it already before yougot it in your head, so don't
do that.
You can't count on real estate.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
And I will say to that end that's a great point.
Juggler Joseph, don't put allyour eggs in one basket in this
game.
Juggler Joseph, don't put allyour eggs in one basket In this
game.
I know most wholesalers.
I know it's not their onlyAvenue of income.
So for one, I think it's greatadvice Get your large EMD down.
And here's a little tip, alittle trick that I learned Is
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if you give them the EMD sizeand they're like why is it so
big?
That's probably not your buyer.
If you give them the EMD sizeand they're like oh, why is it
so big?
That's probably not your buyer.
Right, like if you, if you'rebuying a house for 250 K and you
tell them, hey, I need a 5K,10k EMD and they're like man,
why has it got to be so high?
Usually I pay a thousand or twothousand.
They're probably not going toclose.
And I've had this happen.
(13:18):
I've done this experiment.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
It's an exercise of psychology.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
So you can tell by their mannerisms and the way
they're communicating with youwhether or not they're likely to
close.
So you probably got somebodythat wasn't planning.
They just wanted to fish it out, see if they could either
wholesale the deal or either.
Just you know, hey, let me justkick the tire on this thing
until and back out, so yeah,that's right, jimmy.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I mean I have gotten a hundred percent financing on a
flip and then the wholesaler gono, no, I don't know, you now.
Everybody know me, everybodylove me.
No, but people know who I am inrichmond right, because I put
the time in right.
I'm also wonderful, but anywayso.
So I'm likeK.
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I'm Joan Small but I do it.
Yeah, you do it, especially ifit's a good deal right, yeah,
and you just do it.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
And here's the God's honest truth why you don't got
it.
If you don't got it, stop itJust stop.
You need to be on my side,wholesaling.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
You're not ready, and I think that's where you are,
because it sounds like if you'redesperate enough that you're
wanting to ruin someone'slivelihood by calling their job,
maybe you need to either figureout another way to make money
or maybe wholesaling is not foryou Because wholesaling is not a
reliable source of income.
Right, you can go three months,four months five months without
a deal, and it sounds likeyou're on your last.
(14:38):
So, maybe it's not the rightfit.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, it's such a small pool of buyers who play
games and come to you at the end, you know like it's a very
small pool.
I mean, they're out there.
You deal more with that.
On the retail side they play alot of games like a lot Right,
and so I think it's such a smallpool that you just got to.
You know, go.
Okay, there must have beensomething wrong with the house.
(15:03):
Why would you want to sell thehouse to somebody that they
found a problem or wasn't there?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
You don't want one deal to kill your reputation.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
To me that's not it.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
You know so.
So yeah, so I would just say,you know, I agree.
I think we're on the same pagehere, right?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
But that's really fucked up.
Yeah, I think you took it toofar, man, but you know, maybe
reevaluate your businesspractices and your buyer pool as
well and just maybe recalibrate.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
So that's true.
So, jimmy, let's sayhypothetically, you have to go
back to a buyer because thisyour seller.
Sorry, this happens a lot, yeah, whether you're buying,
wholesaling, whatever you know,maybe Joseph's issue, he doesn't
know how to talk to the seller.
That's right.
Do you got like a one or twoliner that you use when you have
(15:52):
to go back to decrease theprice?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah, yeah, I think I think the basis of that
conversation goes a littlesomething like this hey, you
know, I know we were trying toget you this, but the market has
changed.
You know, I just didn't get itright the first time.
Right, you take the blame.
You know this is on me, but Iwant to make this right for you.
Like, what do you need to makethis happen?
You know what number feelsbetter to you that still
(16:17):
accomplishes the goal, right?
So the conversation is reallyjust predicated on look, I
didn't get it right the firsttime.
Things are changed.
They're not COVID prices.
You know interest rates are up.
You know you throw in all thatinformation they need and then
you can even talk to them aboutthe repairs it needs, right?
You're just hashing it out.
You know what would this costyou if you were to.
You know, hold on to thislonger Would it cost you?
You know you would pay 20 grandright to replace this roof,
(16:38):
whatever the case is, and justwork backwards on the numbers
with them and just have aconversation, be very
transparent.
Like, I just can't get it doneat that price.
But, what if I could come in atthis number?
Would this still make you whole?
Is this something that we couldwork together and compromise?
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Sure, that's a really good one.
Here's one that's real fun.
You just say I'm sure you'veseen the news lately, and then
you're just gonna be quietBecause either they haven't and
don't wanna say that I mean whatgrownup says they haven't seen
the news.
Or they have, and the newsfucking tells you that
(17:14):
everything is about to die, nomatter what.
And then you're gonna saylisten, because of that.
You know, here's a really goodreason, right.
Just say that Right, becausepeople understand that it's not
about manipulating people.
People understand that theydon't understand how much wood
(17:36):
costs or how much really itcosts to fix crawl space.
You know, they don't understandthat.
Oh, my costs are going to bereally high.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
You know they don't understand that.
Oh, my costs are going to bereally high, right, you know
they don't understand it.
And they probably got a bid byyou know, crackhead, joseph,
joseph, we using your name,sorry and we're told 30 K when
really it's 100.
Right, you don't know.
So I don't know.
It's a really toughconversation, but one that has
to be had because, you know,right now it's a little slow for
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people.
They're getting a littlenervous.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
And I will say to that end also you hit it on the
head and I think that's a greatapproach, but the key in that
was having a conversation withthem in general.
And I think a lot of times whenwe don't get it right and we
don't get the numbers right,we're scared to have that
conversation with the seller.
We're scared to bring it up tothem.
(18:30):
So if you wait until the daybefore closing, you're like hey
look, can't move, this, got toget there.
Can you give me 30k off?
They're gonna be like kickrocks, right, yeah.
But if you're having aconversation with them, it's
like this is what we're tryingto do, you know, and you're like
you know, I'm going to try toget this done, but there's some
things I need to hash out.
You know I need to maybereevaluate this.
Stay tuned, but I want to.
You know, I want to betransparent with you along the
way.
Right, you have thatconversation with yourself.
(18:51):
You're way more likely to get aprice reduction when you need
it, because you're going to needit.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Oh yeah, a thousand percent.
So yeah, joseph, you know, I'mpretty sure people don't like
you, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
That tells me all that I need to know.
I want somebody to use theirreal name and like somebody we
can tag Like first and last.
Yeah, I need all of it.
Put your government out thereso we can like tag you and like
message you and be like come tothe show and talk about it.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
That would be nice.
You know, guys, let's work onthat.
I still want a show where weget Contractor versus you know
someone.
Guys, let's work on that, likelet's.
I still want a show where weget contractor versus you know
someone.
They fucked over.
You know, that would be prettyfun.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
They can't come here because they're on the dockets
in like Richmond City Courtright now.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
You know, I know that my haters listen, because I've
heard what you've said about meon my podcast.
I would like to invite you soyou know my phone number.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Shoot me a text how long have you had your phone
number?
By the way, I want to.
I just want I'm doing anexperiment to see how long
people have had phone numbers um, really great uh.
So I would say 2014 so you'vehad it for like 20 years.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
No, no, no, 2014.
Oh, 2014,.
Like 10 years, okay, yeah, Okay, snoop Dogg is hitting.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, no, I had to do some backwards so just 10 years
.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
So I moved to Richmond like 2011.
So maybe I've had it for 2013,.
Right, maybe something likethat.
So 10, 11, 10, 11.
Okay, I've had mine for like 25years.
Wow, that's a long time.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
So I'm still getting like people like yo.
I need your number.
I'm like yo.
I had my number like 20 yearsago when you weren't hitting me
up.
Listen.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I will say this before then.
My nickname was miss on themove.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Miss on the move.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, my nickname was Miss on the Move, miss on the.
Move, yeah, that's anotherpodcast, and so I would change
numbers a lot.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
You know, and so now I'm just kind of, you know, I'm
well grounded.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, you're grounded .
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I know I'm well grounded because I just bought
my first plant.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Did you really your first plant?
What kind of plant was it, Joan?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
So, fun fact, it's something called an easy plant.
Okay, because I don't have agreen thumb.
So we bought two plants andeasy plant.
Now you have to sponsor me andthey're not cheap but they give
you like a one year warranty.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
On the plant.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
On the plant because you only have to water it once a
month.
Okay, and it's it.
You water it once a month.
It's got this little like thing.
You pour your water in and yousit it near sunlight, yeah, and
that's it.
And it's got a one-yearwarranty so this is really funny
.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
So I got a shout out, my wife, megan, because, uh,
she, um, it's like the, theplant reviver, like she has a
like a secret talent of likelike bringing back really bad
off plants.
So she'll get them and they'relike literally on their last leg
and she, she takes the joy outof, you know, just bringing them
back to life.
So, um, you should definitelysend that plant to megan,
(22:08):
because she'll, she'll probablybe like, oh yeah, this is what
you should do to keep it alivethat's great, just in case, even
though it's an easy plant, younever know yes, well, right now
it's just fresh out of the box,and so now I'm much grounded,
I'm very grounded.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Now, no more miss on the move.
I think it's official, uh, thatI'm a woman in my 40s.
I am just coming to thatresignation.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Was this a TikTok purchase?
Speaker 1 (22:31):
It was yes it certainly was.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
That is my hobby outside of real estate.
Kevin was probably there whenyou purchased it, like looking
over your shoulder, like whatare we doing?
I wait until he goes to his mancave.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Once he goes football season, his man cave.
Uh, once he goes footballseason, I'm buying stuff because
he's so occupied.
Um, so that's, you know, that'salways the plan.
So, um, well, you know.
So, joseph, like, go buy aplant and get your life together
, uh and uh.
Yeah, joseph, we're not a bigfan, so so if I had like a boo
(23:10):
button for the podcast.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I would do it need.
Can we get that loop down wherewe have like sound effects like
we need to if young Metro don'ttrust me, I'm yes, I think, I
definitely think you should.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
So, guys, we really want to hear for you.
We and I'd like to know if youguys have ever done something,
because I wouldn't even callthis petty, this is just
trifling, and I just want to seeif you guys had done anything
right, like, have you, forbusiness sake, right, have you
went and tried to hurt someone?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, yeah, we would love to hear that.
Guys Definitely send us yourmail and comments about this
episode.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
What you thought and you know we'll hit you back.
I think that's great.
So y'all know what time it isright Hip hop, quote time.
And so, joseph, here you go.
I believe that the energy youput out in the world, you get
back, jay-z.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Okay, I like it.
I like it, mine is.
Knowledge, wisdom andunderstanding brings long life
and health.
Think anything else and you'replaying yourself.
This is actually by Jeru theDamager.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
And just so you guys know, sometimes he speaks and
sometimes he doesn't.
Kevin's always in thebackground and he's always gonna
jump on the mic with hiship-hop quote.
Tell me what you got today wehave young dolph.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Road number one get the money.
Road number two don't forgetthe money.
Play by the rules, everythingwill be okay young dolph got it.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
so that's it for today's episode.
That's a wrap.
See you next time for more RealIsh Estate.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Hit us up, peace.
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