50. Unprecedented Times: The Perspective of Today's High Schooler With Kelly & Campbell

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Jason Wagner (00:00):
Welcome back to another episode of the Real Life
Investing Podcast with Jasonand Rachel Wagner.
We have the dynamic duo with ustonight Kelly and Campbell.
The two of them come to usbecause they are trusted
babysitters and it's actuallylike, as a new parent, it's
really really hard to find goodbabysitters.

(00:21):
You're just like so protectiveof your children.
Then you're just like you knowyour children.
Then you're just like you knowhow are we going to trust these
high schoolers to you know,watch our kids and you guys are
actually the first highschoolers we've ever hired,
really oh for sure, yeah, that'smy sister but yeah yeah and I
mean I can't, I can't tell youenough, like you guys really set
the example.

(00:42):
Um, I'm really impressed withlike just who you are, as we've
gotten to know you over the lastfew months, I guess.

Rachel Wagner (00:48):
About a year.
Oh, I guess about a year, yeah.

And so it's just been really fun to kind of get
to know you guys.
I know, and we wanted to haveyou come on because just with
your stand-up character that youhave, you also have just You're
very interesting people and sowe wanted to ask you just a few
questions you get that a lot, ohgood we were not afraid to

(01:12):
speak your mind that's awesome.
Yeah, that's awesome.
Well, girls, welcome to theshow and thanks for being here.

Yeah, yeah, we're excited all right, rach.

What's the first question for these two girls?

okay.
Well, I think we're gonna skipa little bit of the fluff,
because my guess is we're goingto get to it as we start getting
into the questions.
But you guys are at aninteresting age because you went
into high school right when thepandemic hit, and so
unfortunately for you.
you started a huge chapter ofyour life in a time that nobody
else had ever really experienced.

(01:44):
A huge chapter of your life ina time that nobody else had ever
really experienced.
And I know, kelly, you said tome the other day you're like
gosh, I'm going away to collegeand I feel like I've only had
three years of high school, likeyou guys kind of like got
gypped.
So I just want to kind of hearyour perspective on what you
were thinking and experiencing.
When that all hit, like whatwas that year, like what you
know, where was your mindset?
I think initially everyone waskind of freaked out and then

(02:06):
maybe hindsight now might be alittle ticked off.
Yeah, totally yeah.

Campbell / Kelly (02:13):
I remember when COVID hit it was our eighth
grade year.
It was like the end of it.
We were supposed to go toWashington DC and they were
sending out all these emailslike oh, the pandemic, Like we
don't know if we're gonna beable to go to Washington DC.
And then it was like, oh, theeighth grade dance and
graduation and everything.
And it was just like Februaryand then March and then it was
just like everything was shutdown and we were like what is

(02:35):
going on?
And then everyone, they sent ushome for like two weeks and
then it was like your graduationis gonna be in a car.
Me and Kelly got in a cartogether and had to do a
drive-by graduation for eighthgrade and it was just like what
is?
Going on and I remember we weresupposed to have a boat cruise
and we were going to Six Flags,we had Washington DC and a bunch

(02:57):
of stuff to look forward to andinstead, when we went through
that graduation, the paradething that we had.
They gave us a packet oflemonade and we're like when
life gives you lemons, makelemonade.
Sorry, you couldn't get agraduation.
And actually I found it theother day when I was cleaning
out my room and I was like, wow,this is sad.
So it was just kind of a stateof like what is going on?

(03:18):
Like we didn't really know whatwas next.
We didn't know what to expectfor high school in the next
three months, and it was justkind of like no one knew.
Like our parents usually arelike there to guide us, and even
they were like we don't knoweither.
Yeah, and it was weird becauseI feel like like a lot of
parents had different opinionsand like nobody really knew what
was going on, especially in thebeginning.
So like we weren't really likegoing to each other's houses and

(03:41):
we like couldn't drive anywhere.
So we were kind of just likestuck.
It was like you could go on abike ride with your friends, but
you can't come within six feetof them, and it was just like we
didn't know what was next.

Yeah, so around here were things like opened or
because we were in the city, solike I don't exactly know what
it was like in this area.

I want not really.
The first few months,definitely not, it was a lot of
it was shut down.
And then I think as summer came, it was some more things,
especially outside, were open,but a lot of inside stuff was
still a little bit weird.
Yeah, like downtown Arlingtongot their whole outdoor thing on
the streets when they closedthe streets.
That was new with.
COVID, which was cool.

(04:20):
But no, I remember during thewinter at some point like they
kept changing like legislation,but like you needed a vax card
to go into, like Chipotle yeah,so.
I couldn't eat Chipotle forlike a month because I did not
have one of them.
Yeah, we did not.
Yeah, that was crazy.
I'm trying to think with sportsespecially.

It was that was we couldn't practice or anything
like.

If we were practicing, it was like outside
and we were doing like trainings.
Yeah, I did dance online, whichwasn't very fun I had like six
classes like no.
At my studio in delta arlingtonwe had like zoom classes, so I
was in my basement on my littledot of like marley floor doing
ballet yeah, so did you havelike a dance recital that year,
or?
I think I don't.

(05:00):
I think I had to submit like avideo, like it was.
It was weird, yeah, I neverwatched it, yeah, and then going
back to school.
Obviously we were online for atleast half of that year and
then.

Yeah, so that would have been your freshman
year.

Yeah, freshman year, so you started freshman
year online it was likeorientation was online, yeah,
and then we went hybrid in likeOctober.
October to like mid-February,like March it was like groups
could go yeah, they're likegroups of three and you need.
We still had to be socialdistance.
We needed masks, like it wasthe whole thing, and then, like
as soon as it was, like afterspring break, it kind of felt

(05:35):
way more normal.
But we had like all the sportsat once, like all the seasons
were shortened, we had likespring football, spring football
.
It was spring, but you needed toget a ticket to get to the game
.
Like not everyone could gobecause of like whatever.

Yeah.

And if somebody like you were sitting
by at school had COVID like youweren't allowed to go to school
for two days, so, like theathletes, none of them went to
school.
Yeah.
I don't know if I went untillater in the year, like you had
the option.
They give you the option if youwanted to stay home or go to
school, and I was.
I was like liking that, I likecould not?
I like need to get out of myhouse.

(06:08):
It was nice we didn't have towake up till like 10.
And then it was like you went tolike four classes because did
we have block?
We had block schedule.

Yeah.

They implemented the block with COVID
.
We didn't have one initially,where it was four classes
instead of eight and they werejust longer.

Oh, wow.
So that was a new thing, it wasnew, and then they've kept it
up until it's still.

Yeah they had to make it longer because our
block schedule that we like wereon for our four years of high
school was, like, too short forlike the state requirements how
much curriculum did they lose?
We lost like a thousand.
We actually wrote a paper aboutthis in class together.
We actually wrote a paper aboutthis in class together.
We lost like a thousandsomething minutes of each class
every year because our block wastoo short, so, like the AP

(06:51):
classes, we had to cram in a lotof stuff.
Yeah.
Oh so that was the whole thingtoo, so this year they're
starting earlier and endinglater because they had to add
more.

Yeah.

For teachers to be able to actually teach.

So that wasn't COVID related.
That was just kind of like anerror that existed before.

Well, I think it was because when they
implemented the block scheduleduring COVID, I see, yeah, yeah,
they didn't plan for it to keepgoing.
They thought they were going togo back to eight period.
So yeah, craziness, but yeah,lots of unknowns yeah, and just
like that time in your life.
I feel like it's such a biglike transition oh yeah and
you're just like I feel like me,we kind of were really

(07:28):
independent from a young age,but it was just weird so this
was mostly like freshman yearthat was really disrupted.
Yeah, sophomore year we wereback in person full-time.
Yeah, we had mass until like,oh my gosh, when was that?
I don't even know it was I wantto say it was in like january
or february maybe 2022 like 2022.
Yeah, it was crazy I rememberme and kelly walking in the

(07:50):
first day that the mandate waslifted and like we didn't have
masks on and a lot of ourclassmates still didn't we were
getting some looks yeah, we weregood, yeah, that was we felt.

So, okay, yeah, I want to go back.

Yeah, let's talk why were you the only two?
I mean, I'm sure there wereothers but why did you guys kind
of feel that defiance?
I guess as soon as hey masksare off, you don't have to wear
them.

I wouldn't say defiance, I'd say confidence.

Yeah okay, sure, sure.

Well, I mean this might sound bad, but I feel
like I didn't really wear mymask correctly by sophomore year
, because I feel like kind oflike we kind of understood what
covid was and it wasn't reallylike that I mean like, not like
threatened by it.
Yeah, it wasn't like ourdemographic that needed like the
concern, and I feel like it'sjust I, I really like I don't
know about you're kind of thesame way, but I'm very social
and like I just feel like seeingreading someone's like facial,
like expressions.

(08:45):
That's kind of part of beingsocial and I feel like it's.
It was just like it took thataway kind of to have a mask on,
and it was just like we didn'tneed the mask really anymore
like yeah, I had already hadcovid by then, so it was yeah
and like, did both of you havecovid?
Uh, yeah, yeah I was sick somuch I got mine, like I didn't
get mine until like May of 2022,but we had gone on like

(09:08):
different trips for lacrosse,for example like we went to
Texas in November of 2021.

Yeah.

We had a tournament in Dallas and, like,
nobody wore a mask there.
Like, it was just.
So that kind of gave you theinsight into, hey, as we get
outside of our little shell herethere's other people that are
just walking around like it'sright, you know a normal day,
yeah and even in 2020, like Iwent to alabama in the summer,
nobody had a mask on.
And then I went to montana in2020 and florida and nobody had

(09:35):
a mask on.
It was just very like.
It felt very like I feel likepeople were probably judging,
just because their parents liketold them, like oh, you still
need to wear a mask, and likethere was so much pressure.
I feel like even the teacherswere weird about it.
But one teacher was like oh,she ripped it off yeah she
ripped her mask off, but it wasdefinitely.
It was really interesting tosee, like, who was keeping their

(09:55):
masks on, who took them off,like what, yeah, we're doing and
.
I know like I feel like ourprincipal wanted us to all wear
them.
He was he's just yeah, he'svery much like strict rule kind
of person, but I feel likethere's nothing they can do and
so I.
I can't remember why themandate was lifted, I think it
was.
I remember vider, which theprivate school by us.
They had a protest where allthe kids just took their masks

(10:18):
off and did I care?
yeah, two of my close friendslike got kicked out.
Their parents were like, don'twear masks to school.
And they're like we don't wantto wear masks to school.
And they're, they got kickedout of school like at your
guys's school or at vider, likethey couldn't go to school for
the day, they sent them home itwas crazy yeah, but I think that
sparked something and then itwas just like from there on, the
public school started yeah, Ithink the state lifted it.

(10:41):
february 2022 is what stands outmy mind Cause that's when we
got kicked out of swimming orwhen we got kicked out of
daycare.

Yeah.
So that's probably aboutgetting kicked out of swimming.
It's like a whole nother levelof disobedience.

We did yeah, cause we didn't have Vax cards.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
So I do actually want to goback to that since you dropped
that nugget.
So you guys had to have Vaxcards to go downtown Arlington
Heights, since you dropped thatnugget.

So you guys had to have vax cards to go
downtown Arlington Heights andyou said you didn't.
Yeah, I, it was like the winterand my parents were just like
cause my uncle's a doctor andhe's like was like nobody in our
family should get the vaccine,like they want to say that they
have all this research done,like I don't know, and he was
just kind of advising my parentsnot to, and like I wasn't
really in any sports at thatpoint, like my brother got the
one shot because he was inbasketball.

Yeah, we had to for something I can't.
I think it was basketball, yeah.

I never got it and my parents, like both, got
it because, like, just like theone shot, because they thought
they needed it, and then, Idon't know, my parents just
waited it out with me yeah myfamily.
We all did the one shot becausewe had to.
It was either to travelsomewhere or my sister to go
back to school, like something.
It was like you had to,otherwise, like we got something
taken away from us and we nevergot anything after that, just

(11:50):
because it wasn't necessary sodid the school require anything
for a while, or I don't think?
they were allowed to requiresomething.
But I think I want to say, ifyou got covid because usually
it's like, oh, you can't go backto school for two weeks I want
to say if you got COVID, becauseusually it's like, oh, you
can't go back to school for twoweeks.
I want to say if you could goback in like five days or
something.
It was like something along thelines of that yeah, yeah, it

(12:11):
was a mess.

It does sound like a mess.
I mean, just what I'm gatheringfrom you two is that there was
kind of just talks amongst allof your friends that this was
just kind of like look, we'velived through it and we're still
fine.
Yeah, we didn't feel threatenedby it or anything.
It was like a cold, yeah.

I mean, some of us had grandparents, Like our
one friend's grandpa was reallysick at that time.
So obviously you had to becareful with certain people.
But especially teenagers werehealthy.
We were fine.

Yeah, and so how are things now, I guess, as you
go back to school and just anysignificant changes as you've
kind of seen?
More specifically, I guess itfeels like that prior to COVID,
I mean, you guys were stillrelatively young, eighth graders
when COVID happened, but priorto COVID there probably wasn't.

(13:02):
At least when Rachel and I wentto school, we didn't really
have like political opinionslike at all.
Like, honestly, I didn't knowwhat a Democrat or a Republican
was even when I was in college.

Yeah, like when I was 20, like when I was 21.
He did not know the difference.
It was crazy.

I didn't know a single thing.

Yeah.

And you know, I just feel like politics is
making it into youth like somuch stronger than it was, you
know when we were in school.

Well, even your mention of the protests, I mean
I can't think of any studentsprotesting back like even in
college, like I don't rememberanybody doing anything like that
.

So I guess the question is one do you kind of
see that amongst your peers askind of having more of some type
of political opinion?
Totally and where do you thinkthat stemmed from?

I'd say we live through some big elections,
like people obviously knowtrump, they obviously know biden
, even hillary clinton.
I feel like there's just been alot of monumental elections
where it's like, yeah, parentslike have an opinion, but now
it's like, oh, there's likesocial media presence.
I feel like a lot of it is thesocial media presence just
because like.
TikTok and Instagram and you'regetting ads and like whatever.

(14:13):
There's a lot of kids that havelike kind of grasped onto that
and ran with it.
Like kind of how I feel aboutit is.
I feel like I see it every dayat school, like like, especially
I want to say like more left,obviously, in like school
systems, but I feel like it'sjust kind of a concept of like,
of like division, like I feellike it divides kids, like yeah
who cares?

(14:33):
like I get everyone has theirown, like differing opinions,
whatever.
But like I feel like it's justkind of like a concept of like
division, that it almost feelslike a lot of like singling out.
Like we actually went to aschool prospect.
It's called the white castle iswhat our nickname is, because
our school is like extremelywhite and like european and like
at any chance our school couldget they would like try to

(14:55):
single people out like whoweren't like the average, like
white kid, like I feel like itwas very much like, oh, like I
don't know.
It kind of almost felt like thesingling out of people and
trying to like promote.
Obviously you want to promotedifferent like backgrounds and
cultures, like that's awesome,but it's like almost felt like
that kind of like divided people.
Like putting someone else on apedestal.

(15:16):
Like, yeah, I want to say theone example I think of is
football games.
We had themes for it and one ofour themes was USA.
And you would think like, oh,that means like we can like,
promote, like our country andlike whatever they made it very
clear like you cannot bring anypolitics into this, like if
there's anything Trump, anythingBiden.

No American flags .
No American flags.
Which is crazy.
You couldn't have Americanflags.
No.

You could wear one, but you couldn't like
bring any props or anything.
No-transcript.

(16:14):
I feel like there's a way foreveryone to like coexist and
like go live in a high schoolcommunity together, even if you
have like extremely differentopinions, and I feel like we
weren't really shown how that ispossible.
Yeah, I can't really think of aclass that we really discuss
politics in, government classesnot really.
I feel like maybe I'd sayEnglish, yeah, english teachers.

(16:38):
There's like a I don't evenknow what to call it like a
stereotype.
I guess that English teachersall lean left, so like when
you're writing a paper, you haveto kind of go in that mindset.

Really there's a stereotype, yeah.

Yeah, not our sophomore English teacher, but
definitely my junior yearEnglish teacher.
He had like a pride flag andeverything in his classroom, so
it was very much.
So like you can't really Idon't know.
So like you, you can't really Idon't know.

Yeah.
So do you think that that likeculture of like division or
feeling like you can't reallylike speak your opinion to that
exist like in middle school ormaybe prior to COVID?

or it's hard to say, because I feel like even
middle school we didn't reallyknow what was going on.

Yeah, really.

I know when like the whole Trump versus
Hillary election was going on.
Yeah, really, I know when likethe whole trump versus hillary
election was going on.
I feel like that.
I vividly remember liketeachers talking about it, but I
don't really think kids hadopinions really back then.
I have a memory actually fromfifth grade.
It was like after the electionwhat year was that?
2016?
Yeah, yeah, and my teacher waslike was like all them?
The teacher was so upset Likenobody talked about last night,
Like nobody's allowed to talkabout the election today.

(17:48):
We're all upset Like nobodytalked about it.
And I feel like even inelementary school, like they
were, like our teachers werevery like anti-Trump in
elementary school and like Iremember they would be like
nobody talked, like they wouldnot, like they would.
They would kind of make Trumplook like a villain when we were
like little and I'm like Idon't even know, Like yeah, I
don't even know my dad watches acelebrity apprentice Like I
don't even know who this is.

(18:09):
Like yeah.

I was just lost.

I don't know I feel like public school versus
private school is very differentbecause I know the kids that
buy you were like your parentswere thinking of sending.
Yeah, if I didn school I wouldhave gone to the saint vider.
I actually had the choice to go, but there's a lot like because
of the free, I feel like it'smore free because the parents
kind of run it run it.

Yeah, those are interesting thoughts so you
mentioned one of your teachershas a pride flag in their class
so that's another thing.
That's kind of been a big shift, I feel like within the last
five years or so yeah evenlonger, but I think definitely
within the last five years it'sbeen something that's been a lot
more talked about and presentin youth.
I share a little bit about,like what it's, how often it

(18:50):
comes up and.

I feel like, honestly, I don't, really I
don't.
I feel like when we wereyounger, like I didn't really
know much about like the LGBTQcommunity, like my cousin is gay
, like I have multiple gayfamily members, like it's kind
of just like it is what it is.
But I feel like more recentyears it's been popping up more
and I feel like they've beenkind of associating like.
I feel like they put like gayand trans and all of that in

(19:13):
like one department, which Ifeel like it's not really all
that like it's different, likeit's, I don't know.
I feel like they put everythingin one, like that one.
What's that?
One flag with all the colors,like I.

Yeah, with the little like triangle thing, I
think that's all of them Like.

that's what represents.

Yeah, all of it.

Yeah, that stuff I feel like I don't really
know much about and I feel likethey don't really In school.

(19:51):
I mean it's funny because if,like, a teacher was flying like
a trump flag or anything likethat, like it would be a whole
different story.
But a pride flag is kind ofmore accepted by public schools
yeah, and even like our fourthgrade teacher.
He was gay and when we wereyounger like he, none of us knew
that he was gay like hewouldn't tell us he didn't wear.
He was like oh, I just have areally good, like a really good

(20:11):
friend, like we didn't, becausewe didn't understand what that
was when we were younger and Idon't know what he does if he
tells his students that now,because I feel like it's more,
more normalized now than it wasthen I do see things in the news
.
So we're like they're likeimplementing, like all the like
you to lgbtq stuff in schoolsand like young schools and like
teaching kids what it is fromlike yeah and I feel like that's

(20:33):
confusing because you don't,you don't?
I mean, like it's good to like,obviously, like, oh, my cousin's
gay, like I know that, like Idon't know.

But I feel like when I'm younger, if I'm being
taught that in school, like I,yeah, I feel like there's a
certain I feel like you can't,you shouldn't talk about like
sexuality and stuff with likechildren until you're like in
middle school I think thatshould come from family yeah, so
were you guys kind of taughtanything as you were in your
classes, or was it talked about,as all of a sudden, you know

(21:02):
it's a little bit more out thereand people are hanging flags in
the classroom?

I mean our school.
Like motto, I guess, is likeevery night is important Every
night is included, every nightis included, and I feel like
they touch on that a little bitwhen we're like in assemblies
and stuff like that, like theydon't really every night, every
night is included because we'relike the nights you're the night
, okay, like every person, yeahum, I feel like they don't like

(21:31):
necessarily want to say it outloud, but I feel like they kind
of hint at, like those groups ofpeople that are in schools and
they're just like no bullyingand stuff like yeah, like I feel
like they don't really likethey don't really do a good job,
like I feel like they wanteveryone to feel safe and
included, which is great, but Ifeel like they do a lot of like
singling out.
They're like oh, we have, like,our ebony club, we have our,
yeah, lgbtq plus club, like, andI feel like I feel like it's

(21:53):
not I don't know.
It's kind of like I don't knowhow to explain it.
It's just like I feel like theymake it the division.
Like the way that they like talkabout these groups kind of
makes it seem like, oh, likethey're different than us, when
I feel like everyone is kind ofthe same, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah,
I feel like for the most partthey don't really touch on it,
and maybe in health class, butbesides that, so you, guys

(22:15):
didn't have like any likelessons specific to like
different types of pronouns andwhat they mean.

No, that's except .
Okay, that was never reallylike a thing one year.

I feel like junior year they might have like
yeah, junior year like when youwere going around in your class
like on the first day they werelike okay, like say, your
pronouns say like one fun factabout you like what middle
school you went to.
That was really like when I gotasked that I got, I got that.
I got asked that this year,senior year, in my second
semester, like what are yourpronouns?

(22:45):
I was like like she, her, likeI don't know.
I just didn't really feel likethat was very significant, I
don't know.
I remember on zoom, though,they made you put your pronouns
and some of the kids would likemake up, make up names.
One of them was like helicopter, like fire something.

I don't know, it was like some, that whole
concept was weird like veryweird, like not weird, just
different, I guess.

I don't know.
I we just I don't know.
I feel like that was verysudden.
Some kids definitely make itmore of a joke and I feel like
that like did not make ourfaculty happy.

Yeah were you like it's obvious?
Yeah, I'm like, why do I haveto tell this to you?

remember someone being like what do I
look like?
Yeah, like they like kind ofsnap back yeah I mean, I, I
guess if you're like somebodywho's trans or somebody that's
doesn't know like, if doesn'treally I don't know who wants to
it to be known like.
If they're a girl or a boy,like okay by all means, but I
feel like an average person thatshouldn't have like say their

(23:46):
pronouns there's definitely somekids at our school where I'm
not sure if it's a girl or a boy.

So like I, get that.

But it's like, why does everyone have to like,
do that?
I feel like it's kind of weirdthat we all have to like say
Because of the handful that youknow.
Because that's like anotherthing of what I mean to being
like divided.
It's like, oh, these people,like they're they they don't.
Yeah, there's one in every like.
Yeah, there's like one in every.
Like a hundred students.

(24:12):
There's somebody that's likelike that, like I don't know
questioning their gender orsomething, but it's like why
does everyone have to like you?
know address their pronouns Likecause it's like you, we want
inclusion and we want everyoneto feel like comfortable.
But I feel like that is justkind of like.
Obviously people are makinglike kids are making jokes out
of it.

I feel like it's just not a way to like it's.
It seems like from what youwere kind of saying before, is
it might've been blind beforebecause it wasn't called out.
But the moment that everythinggets called out now all of a
sudden you're like oh, look atover there.
Oh, look at over here.
Oh, look at over there.
Now I have differing opinionsabout you.

Know the pronoun use yeah, it's almost
like a sensitive topic thattrans person may have been there
their entire lives and that youinteracted with them exactly.

But now, all of a sudden, they have a specific
designation now that's forced oneverybody right, which you
either like or you don't like,and in this case you know some
of the kids in your classes weremaking fun of it and like
coming up with their ownpronouns and stuff.
It just seems like once youstart calling it out, yeah
that's where the division comesfrom exactly that's so like when

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rachel and I were growing up, Iwas friends with everybody.
My senior year we literally hadwe would have.
We call them keggers in theforest or what would they call
them Woodstock.
It was called Woodstock, that'swhat it was, and we would
invite literally every singleperson that was in our high
school class.
It didn't matter who they were,because it was just like hey,

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we're all seniors.
And if you know cool juniorstoo, like, bring them Like.
This is just a party ofeverybody yeah, yeah and that
was just like the most fun timeever.
But it's it's hard to imaginethat something like that maybe
happens now, where you'reinviting your entire grade to
something because probably notyeah, I mean I went to a smaller
school, right, but not that.

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I mean we had about 800 kids inour high school, so it wasn't
that small, but at the same time, you know we were all inclusive
because we never talked aboutthat stuff, right?

yeah and now people are so sensitive about
every little thing, it feelslike I don't know.
Yeah, it's weird, like actuallyone of my our good friends he's
gay, his name's actually, I'mnot gonna name drop him but we
have a friend who's gay and helike can't stand when he gets
like grouped, like he's gay,great, like we love him, but
it's like he doesn't likegetting grouped in and singled

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out like he like does not likethat.
He's like, yeah, and I'm notsure where that like transition
came from, because in middleschool even that wasn't really a
thing, but once high schoolstarted it felt like it was a
lot more talked about.
Yeah, like our friend he'll belike.
Yeah, like he'll say that hefeels like at school, like the
little group and like the gaykids with, like the people that
their pronouns are like Zay,zare, like, and people don't

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know what that means and likethat's like what I feel like
kids like make fun of thatbecause they don't understand.
It's like a lack ofunderstanding, but also it's
like why do we need to calleverything out?

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm sorry, zay, zay, yeah, yeah, how do you
spell?

that.
It's like with an X and a Z, Idon't know.
There's lots.
It's just like pronouns otherthan she, her and he, him.
There's a lot of pronouns.
It's confusing.

See, yeah, I mean that just makes your and yeah,
wow, you can have a lot ofdifferent just thoughts on like,
why does that even exist?
Or you know what I mean well,fascinating, okay, so so that's
there.
Do you guys know a lot of like?
Does it feel like that there'smore and more like trans people

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that are coming into your?

it's crazy because like, yeah, there's some
kids where, like we grew upwith them and we've known them
since like elementary school,and it's like now I can't even
recognize them.
And yeah, it's.
I don't know.
I feel like it's growingbecause like it's more accepted,
which like sure, like do whatyou want, but it's kind of like

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at school.
I don't know if we should belike promoting that and like
making it.
I don't know, is it promoted?

at school.
Um, there's like clubs andstuff.
I feel like I don't know if weshould be like promoting that
and like making it.
I don't know, is it promoted atschool?

There's like clubs and stuff.
I feel like I don't know.

So there's clubs.
Have you gone to one of thoseclubs?

No, I haven't no.

Like, do you think like a straight person who like
just wants to go just to kindof see what it's all about?

No, like they would not be welcome there.
I feel like really, yeah, yeah,because that's that's what I
mean like it's like division,like oh, single these people out
, like, put them on a pedestal,like it's like, and then
everyone else just kind of likethat's why there's so much
division under school, becausewe're just like, okay, why do
these people deserve specialtreatment?
Like okay, great, like you'regay or you're trans, okay, okay,

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that's your like.
I feel like that's your likethat's your information.
If they want to like put it outthere, go ahead.
But it feels like the schoolkind of like forces it out Is
doing it for them in a way.
I don't know.
Oh, we're so inclusive, we'reso this Like, and I feel like,
at our assemblies, have like allsorts of like diversity, which

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is obviously diversity is likegreat, but it's just like why do
people need special treatment?
You know what I mean.

That sounds bad, but it's like share what you
want to share, you know yeahyeah, yeah, I mean, there's
something unique about everybody, right, and so we're kind of
like picking and choosingcertain things about people to
make it on a pedestal, like yousaid which is just kind of
bizarre and makes it, I think, alittle more uncomfortable for
everybody.

Totally has anyone ever come up to you and said
you're only saying this stuffbecause you have white privilege
?

um, I've definitely been told that before
, but religion's class, not like.

So yeah, not, religion we have.
Oh, you have religion.
Oh crazy class in high schoolwe have like.

We have like we have a very cool teacher.
He, like, went to harvarddivinity he's our neighbor yeah,
he's our neighbor, we love him.
He like took like a year off totake it a sabbatical to harvard
and he's like very cool, likehas his own like course and it's
been at the school for a whilenow.
It's like one of the only worldreligions classes that high
schools teach and it's like dualcredit.
Now it's like one of the onlyworld religions classes that

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high schools teach and it's likedual credit.
So it's like a college, it'slike college credit, whatever.
So in these classes it'sdefinitely a wide variety of
people and he like makes it verylike adamant that like you
share your opinion and whatever.
Like he wants you to feelcomfortable in this space and I
feel like kelly's had like moreof some obstacles.

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I don't know I have yeah.
well, our like our religionsclass is like we learned about
like pretty not all thereligions, but like the main
ones, and then like obviouslyour teacher can't give us like
his opinion on them, but he justis like here's information,
like yeah, but that class opensup a lot of like conversations
and I feel like there's been aweird push of like
anti-Christianity in schools aswell, cause like you notice that

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.
Yeah, I just feel like I mean Igrew up going to like religions,
like religious ed, everyTuesday for like eight years of
my life and I just feel likepeople like, like, even like I
feel like they didn't theychange, like I don't even know
what I'm saying, but I just feellike it's very like, oh, don't
bring up religion, don't bringlike I don't know.

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And like people like won'tstand up for the pledge of
allegiance or they won't sayunder god, like when they say it
, and I'm like like in class,when you guys say the pledge,
yeah, people won't stand onpurpose yeah, people.
I did notice that after covidhappened, it felt like there was
a lot more people that weresitting for the pledge or the
national anthem do, you, do, youstill say the pledge in high

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school yeah, yeah oh, you doevery day.
Yes, every morning I mean everymorning, most mornings
sometimes they won't have?
Yeah, I don't know, it depends.
It's hard with the blockschedule because some kids
aren't in classes like when ithappened so, but I don't know.
In the religions class it waslike he would open the floor and
people would like havearguments with each other back
and forth yeah and it washonestly I like love that class,

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like that was one of myfavorite classes at prospect,
just because he like made itnormalized to like argue with
people yeah, argue with peopleand like have different opinions
, which I liked a lot, because Ifeel like people are so scared
nowadays to like argue and talkto people who have different
opinions than them.
So it was kind of nice likehearing I like didn't really
participate a lot, but it wasnice like hearing my classmates

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like go back and forth with eachother, especially about
religion, cause I feel likethat's like so fascinating Like
a lot of people have differentbackgrounds and stuff.
So, yeah, our teacher would puta huge like emphasis our
religions teacher on how likepeople are too scared to like
argue and like challenge someone, because I feel like we kind of

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especially in the last likesince covid, like it's just like
cancel culture, I guess forlack of a better word like just
watching.

Does that exist at your school?
Yeah, definitely, you think itdoes I feel like it does.

Yeah, I feel I feel like just you just have to
like watch what you say, like Idoes.
I feel like it does.
Yeah, I feel I feel like,doesn't you just have to like
watch what you say?
Like I mean, I feel like Idon't have?
Kelly did wear a trump shirt tothe football game and got some
looks I did, yeah, yeah but.
I feel like religion kind ofties in with politics, because
if you're like a christianperson like you might like be

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more to the right and whateverif you're like there's been a
lot more people that I feel likehave been.
What's the word?
Right meaning no, when youdon't believe in god atheist
yeah there's a lot more atheistsat our school.
I feel like like people whogrew up christian are now
atheists and I feel just, I feellike that's like are they
outward facing on that?

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yeah, some people like, made itvery obvious like I feel like
that.

How do they, how do they make it obvious, like in
religions like yeah, it'smainly.

Oh, I have an example like a girl that I would
sit with that religion.
She was saying she wascomplaining that she was saying
like she said like god, likeyeah, she used like lord's name
in vain and she, her teacher,was like don't say that, like we
don't say that at school.
And she was like I'm an atheist, like arguing with her teacher
and she was ranting to herreligion teacher about how she

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should be allowed to saywhatever she wants and all of
this and how, like she doesn'tbelieve in god so she should be
like whatever she's, like, I cansay what I want.
Kind of sassing the teacher andI was just like I mean, that
was like for me I wasn't likeoffended, but I'm like I'm
pretty Christian person and Iwas just like okay, but that's
kind of like I feel like it goesboth ways.
Like you know, like there'slike that girl is like the same

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kind of person that will saylike she's white privilege and
like she has white privilege andall of this.
But I'm like, but then likesuddenly, like she doesn't want
people to say certain things,but then when she doesn't want
to be told not to say like Idon't know, I feel like it just
goes both ways and I don't know.
I feel like there's just Idon't.
I feel like it's morenormalized not to be like

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religious at school, which iskind of weird.
But I feel like we grew up andeveryone was kind of just like
on the same page and now I feellike there's a lot more yeah,
and maybe that's just becausewe're older, yeah, and we have
our own opinions more, but Idon't know.

Again, just trying to relate it to when we were in
high school, I never had anyopinions this strongly about
things like you, just didn't.
You just I don't know.
I was the classic jock, youknow, played football,
basketball, hung out with youknow, called the popular kids or
whatever.
But, again, like you know, wedidn't have opinions about this

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stuff yeah and so it's just didyou rage?
yeah, you did yeah, because Italked about politics at home
all the time okay oh well, andmaybe that, maybe that's where
it stems from, obviously,because I mean, kelly, you wore
a trump shirt to school, not toschool to a football game, and
it wasn't.

It wasn't a different it was an away game
but I literally did that becauseI just thought it was like I
kind of did it to be like pettybecause they were being so like
red, white and blue themes, like, and I'm like we can't even
have an american flag, like Idon't know.
And wasn't there something atrolling meadows that happened
where, like kids were, they wereplanning on?

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Oh sorry, I think kids werelike planning to go behind their
administrations back and like,like do a usa theme.
And there was a teacher thatgot like fired.
She got, and yeah, because shewas saying you guys can't like
she was if you do that she wasyou won't be able to go to games
yeah, and she's like, if you dothat, wasn't she saying that

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they were like racist if theywere american, like they were?
she said some crazy stuff andthe kids yeah, and kids like
they were saying that theamerican flags was racist and
then kids out of the teacher andthe teacher got in a lot of
trouble and had to do like shedid get fired, yeah and she had
to do like a whole, like shewent to court, I think it was
like a whole district apology,rival high school?
yes, okay a whole districtapology for what she said.

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Just because the kids werewanted to do a usa themed
football game, which youwouldn't think would be that
problematic.
But I'm just like, yeah, I justdon't know when everyone got so
sensitive.
Well, it happened.

It happened in 2020 and but maybe, maybe 2016
started some of it.

Yeah, I think it certainly started totally, I
think, all that time people hadon social media and then all the
events that just were sodivisive social media is
definitely a has such a bigimpact on the way that I feel
like a lot of the kids are eachthing because that's where they
get all their information fromand it's like if you're on this
side of tiktok or the other sideof tiktok, I don't know is that

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what you guys use?

I'm just gonna say what are the social medias
that you guys use I would saytiktok's a big one for sure
snapchat isn't really like theydon't really get information
instagram, yeah, I don't knowtwitter like a little bit, but I
feel like not really for kidsour age.

I feel like that's like an older crowd and
they use twitter for, like, highschool sports yeah, yeah yeah,
but I would say tiktok is a bigone because there's so much
information on there that peoplewill like even both sides.
I feel like yeah, yeah, forsure we never got on tiktok I
did for like a week.

Yeah, I made that video I never got on it because
you told me that china was gonnasteal all my information.

Yeah, I deleted it right after trump said that.

Yeah and I still won't download it, because,
because that is a thing.
But yeah, actually, I thinktrump said that he's gonna keep
it if he does, yeah, yeah it wasalmost banned at one point.
I remember it started to getshut down.
No, it's so addicting becauseit knows everything that you're
interested in.

Actually, I deleted it for Lent because I
was on it too much.

That's a good thing to do, yeah.

Yeah, no, I have an addiction to it too.

Not TikTok, just social media, just social media.

Yeah, I totally do .
I post very regularly, you know, at least once a day.

Yeah.

And I tell myself this I'm like it's different
because I'm posting it's not.

It's not any different, it's just an
addiction.

Yeah, that we need to cure somehow.

Let's move into politics, because today or not
today this year is an electionyear yeah.
And the first one you guys aregonna be able to vote in.

I know that's so crazy.
Yeah, yeah, I know it's wild.

What's my question?

what's your question?
Oh well, I mean we.
It's very obvious, kelly isvoting for trump kelly will be
voting for you, I will be.

So I guess, like, why, like you're, you're 18,
you're going into college, likefor.
From your perspective, what arethe biggest issues and what
like?
Why, like you're, you're 18,you're going into college, like
for.
From your perspective, what arethe biggest issues and what are
?
Why are you voting for trump?

okay.
So I obviously grew up in achristian household, which has
like influence on me, but mybiggest thing was, like I
believe I believe that thegovernment like should have
limited control of my life.
I think that I should be ableto think what I want, do like,
say what I want.
I don't want people and like Idon't want politics in my like
social decisions, like I just Idon't believe in that also just

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being interested in likeeconomics and finance, like what
I want to do, I like believe inlimited government control and
businesses and stuff likedefinitely very like
pro-capitalism and I feel likewhat I do socially and like what
I like believe about, like myreligion, like I don't want the
government to tell me what to dowith my like, with my like
religion, with what I believewith my family, like I don't

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need people, like I meanobviously like I'm a straight
person, but like I don't wantpeople I don't want.
Like my government, like thegovernment involved in my
sexuality, like I don't.
I just believe in limitedgovernment control.
I want to be able to live mylife and like do what I want
Like I feel like the U?
S was founded on.
This is a.
This is like you can have theAmerican dream, like you can do
what you yeah, you can do whatyou want and like build the life

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for yourself.
And I feel like when thegovernment is involved too much,
it just takes away from likethat initial, like foundation of
our country and that what Ibelieve.
So that's why I will be votingfor donald trump okay, that was
an exceptional answer yeah,great campbell you have to
follow that one up.
Um, I don't know.
I feel like my parents havealways just been like you guys

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can like form your own opinionsfor yourself, like they don't
really influence like anythingwith regards to politics.
I mean, my dad works in poplike policy, so he's like very
he like educates himself a loton that and like he'll give me
and Kelly some like speeches andstuff.
So I feel like I'm kind of likein the middle, like there's

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some policies that I agree withon the left, some on the right,
but at the end of the day itfeels like the left is kind of
trying to control, like Kellysaid, like they're kind of kind
of trying to control our lives alittle bit too much.
So I feel like I don't know.
If Biden was still running, Iwould definitely vote for Trump,
just because they're not evenon the same level.

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But I'm not really sure yet forNovember.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think a lot of people are ina position of feeling like they
can agree with policies on bothsides of the table Right and you
just have to choose which areof most priority to you, right.

I feel like we're still young enough where
it doesn't really directlyimpact us a lot, but like
further down the road, like whenwe have families and like kids
and stuff and jobs, obviouslythat will be more interesting.

Yeah.
I agree and like kids and stuffand jobs.
Obviously that will be moreinteresting.
Yeah, I agree.
So you're voting for trump.
You're undecided, and yet youguys are still great friends,
yeah yeah, yeah, you definitelyhave.

I definitely have friends like all over the
place yeah I would say, like Iwould say, none of my friends
are super liberal at all no, wedon't have super liberal friends
but I feel like you're the onethat definitely has the most
political opinion out of ourfriends.
Yeah, like, yeah, our friendgroup and like even my friends
at other schools, like myfriends that go to St Vider,
like they're like even more likeconservative than I am.

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I'd say it just kind of depends.
But I feel like when we're thisyoung, um, like it's not a big
discussion, like it doesn'treally um impact, like our
friendships, like there'sdefinitely some people that like
who are more left-leaning, thatlike we're still friends with,
just because, like it doesn'treally change necessarily how I
view them.

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Yeah, like, if you're a goodperson, you're a good person
right and that's why I feel likeschools have done a bad job at
like making, like division andlike promoting things.

Yeah.

I don't know.
I feel like there's definitelysome people that like wouldn't
be friends with us just becauseof, like, the way that we think
and stuff.
But like I feel like ourmindset has never been like, oh,
this person is voting for Biden.
Like we can't be friends withthem?
Yeah, not at all.
Yeah, and I, like I have mywhole family, extended family is
like.
Some of them are very liberal,some of them are very
conservative.

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It's just.
It's you gotta learn to likelove people for who they are,
not what they vote for.

So so it politics was very talked about, is talked
about in your home a lot mostlyjust my dad but oh, yeah, okay
yeah not so much of mine, it'sjust.

I mean, obviously, with the election
coming up, it's been talkedabout more, but like it doesn't
really like my parents havenever tried to like pressure us
to feel a certain way okay, somostly from your dad, but then
all the other conversations,like it seems like it's amongst
your peers, then like you guysare actively talking about it
for sure.
Yeah, I'm saying that same thing, yeah I feel, like I didn't

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really form my politicalopinions until like I was in
high school and I saw the waythat like I mean I started
watching the news, likeobviously all sorts of news,
because I can't you can't reallylike trust one.
But I started like kind ofkeeping up, like staying up to
date on things that were goingon and just like seeing like the
way our school like talkedabout stuff and just I guess,

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like the more I learned aboutlike policy and like economics,
like I was like okay, like I'mdefinitely more like
right-leaning when it comes tolike not social issues, but just
like in general.
But then like I feel like themore that I see, the more like.
The more that I see likepolitics in my day-to-day life,
the more like right to the rightI lean yeah, I guess.

(44:32):
I feel like we still have a lotto learn, though, too yeah, for
sure.
I feel like, yeah, like we knowlike a lot of like the stuff
that's mainstream like talkedabout, but I feel like there's
like a lot of things that, likewe'd still don't know.
So it'll be interesting.

Yeah.

And like college cause, I'm political
science major That'll beinteresting and just seeing like
the behind the scenes of kindof everything.

Yeah, yeah.
So what do you think is goingto help you make a decision as
we kind of get closer to theelection?

I want to see a debate.
I feel like that would beinteresting.
Yeah, that would be funny, Idon't know.
I feel like I do need toeducate myself a little bit more
.

What do you like about Kamala?

I don't know.
I feel like she's obviously alot more like a person than I
don't know if that makes sense,but like she's like more out
there, Like she, I don't know, Ifeel like I'm not like educated
enough to answer that.

Yeah, and that's a totally fair, fair response.

Yeah.

That's a totally fair response.
It sounds like you kind of wantto just like get to know her
more.

Yeah, I don't know much about her, honestly.

So where do you think is the best place for you
to get that information intoday's world?
Like how do you think you'regonna educate yourself to?

feel confident .
That's hard because a lot ofplaces are biased now, so it's
like hard to find it's amazingthat you guys are even like
talking about that, like that.

You know that yeah , yeah, it's hard, I don't know
because I'll tell you this a lotof like the boomer parents that
we have, or just like theboomer generation.
Yeah, they probably don't knowthat yeah and they just well.

This is where I've been getting my news for my
entire life exactly and youknow it's gospel I feel like
what I kind of understood waslike I feel like you have to
figure out what you value andwhat you like, like what you
want, in your life in thecountry that you live in.
I feel like you have to figureout what you value and what you
like, like what you want, inyour life in the country that
you live in, and I feel like youhave to take that and translate
it into like what, like who youwant to vote for.

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I guess, I mean, it's stillhard to find like sources that
aren't biased, but I feel likeyou just have to know what you
value before you can decide whatwho you want to run your
country yeah, yeah, yeah, that'sa good tip.

So, kemba, you said you're studying political
science.
Yeah, what are what?
Are you still like?

finance, finance and what do you guys?
Both want to do with that Ithink I want to work in either
like private equity or just belike like a financial, like
advisor maybe, and then I don'tknow, I'm looking into maybe
investment banking, but that's amaybe, depending if I can get
into the workshop at at school.
But we'll see I want to go tolaw school after my four years

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at Illinois, so not sure whatlaw I want to go into, but
something attorney lawyer basedNice.

Do you know an attorney right now that you're
kind of close with?

Yeah, my sister's mom works for a big
firm and then my dad knows likea lot of the people in like the
corporate world.
So yeah, Cool.

Are you guys excited for college or you think
anything is going to like yourexperience in high school.
You think it's going to bedifferent.
And when you go to college, interms of just the interactions
with people and like, obviouslyyour experience is going to be
wildly different.

Yeah, we're both going to big 10 schools,
which is interesting because Ilike indiana and illinois are
not really similar at all butthere's like 55 000 people that
go to illinois, so it's a verywide variety.
I feel like you socialize withthe people you want to socialize
with and your class sizes areso big where it's not like
you're going to be interactingwith as many people.

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But overall I feel likeillinois gives like lots of
opportunities to do like whatyou want as a student.

For sure yeah.

Yeah, I feel like I'm excited because I'm
going to Indiana, obviously, andit's a very like national
school.
There's a ton of East and WestCoast kids Like.
I feel like there's like a lotof people from all over where I
can like hear their likediversing opinions and all that?

Yeah, that'll be interesting yeah.

I initially, like, wanted to go to a smaller
school and I was going to go tosmu southern methodist in dallas
, texas, and like I wasbasically gonna go there, and
then I went back to indiana andI was like wait, like because
that's the small school, it'slike 6 000 students and it's not
like everyone's kind of thesame there, like I, not
necessarily, but like I don'tknow.
I kind of wanted more of like anational, like a, more of like I
, I value like diverse groupsand just hearing different
people's opinions, even if Idon't agree with them.
So I wanted to go to a schoolwhere I could like feel that and

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just obviously the businessschool, kelly school, business.
I wanted to like be able toexperience that and like a group
, people from all over thecountry.

So does it not make you mad when somebody else
doesn't agree with you or likedoes that, like?
No, like I?

definitely like I can, I like you know I
like will shake my head I meanif somebody is actively picking
an argument with me like that'syeah, that's not fun.
Yeah, I feel like we're bothpretty mature, though we're like
yeah we've learned to likeaccept yeah those opinions
rather than just like fight them.
Yeah, but if somebody is likeoutrightly attacking like my
opinions, like I will clap back,but I feel like that doesn't

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really happen very much, to behonest.
But yeah, there's been a fewtimes, but yeah I don't, don't
mess with kelly.
Yeah, yeah, I can.
I can tell you are a bigparticipator in your classes.

Yeah, I'd say so, yeah, no, that's.
That's a good thing.
That's a good thing.
Take it as a compliment.
I feel like you are a bigparticipator in your classes.

Yeah, I'd say so.

Yeah, no, that's a good thing, that's a good thing
.
Take it as a compliment.
Awesome, yeah.
So what else?
What made you get intobabysitting?

Obviously I love kids.
I started babysitting my olddance teacher's kids who live on
my street.
The kids are eight, five andthree now and I started watching
them when the little, when thefirst kid was two.
So I guess I just kind ofstarted babysitting them and,
like I know, I used to want to,like I wanted money when I was
younger, but there was somethingelse we really do and then I

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took like I like littleobviously yes, I took.

We took a babysitting class when we were
younger.

We got cpr certified and I have little
cousins and stuff and obviouslyI want to have like a big family
when I'm older so.
I just love kids.
Yeah, I have a little sister soI had to always watch her when
my parents would like go out andstuff, and then my neighbors I
would watch.
And it was funny because I feellike we used to have to go like
door to door and like ask yourneighbors like, do you need a
babysitter?
But then the facebook groupthat me and kelly joined that's

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how we found you guys.
Um, once I posted on that I meta lot of families and then,
like we like sometimes watcheach other's kids, like when
we're not available so what isthat?

facebook group?

it's like there's some interesting people
on that.

Yeah, I was gonna say like what's everyone else's
process?
Like like I obviously saw yourpost and responded to it what?
What do other people do whenthey see your posts?
Like did anybody have like aformal interview with you?

yeah, I feel like most of the families I had
like 12 families reach out, likeit was crazy.
A lot of the families like theywould text back and forth with
me and then like we'd set up atime for me to like go meet the
kids and like do like a trialrun, so that was like nice.
And then some of the peoplewere literally like can you come
over today at like six orsomething?

I was just like okay.

So it kind of depended on the family, but I
like doing a trial run just tolike get to know the family and
kind of get a feel for it beforeI actually like go into it.
Yeah, when I was growing up Ihad so many babysitters so I
kind of just yeah I feel, like Ialways wanted to be a
babysitter.
Yeah, we both love kids, so,yeah, it's just fun what did we
do?

did we do a trial run?

yeah, I remember when I first came to
your house, you're like can Ihave your mom's phone number?
Yeah, I did, yeah, I think Iasked you both that.
Yeah, yeah, because I was justlike I mean so all the other
baby series we had had.
We met through the daycare inthe city that the girl, that
Scarlett was at, and so it'slike kind of like yeah, it's
like kind of, it's kind of aweird way, it's weird.

I'm like I really don't know that much about you
like you told me what you yeahit was.
It was very scary.

Yeah, yeah, I think you guys went and got food
for like two hours and I justplayed with the girls, yeah, I
think I was supposed to come andmeet them, but I think I had
something for school orsomething so I couldn't come.

So yeah, yeah yeah, it's kind of all just
based on trust, which is alittle bit scary, but I mean,
and vibe too, like I mean, Ifeel like I got a vibe, in a
sense, from you guys like rightaway, and I was like okay, this
is fine.

Yeah, and I feel like you know.
I mean, I guess you could likestalk our social media if you
wanted to like, I don't know,yeah yeah, I guess we could have
done that, yeah, do you guyshave Facebook.

I do we, do we both have Facebook?
Yeah, for like my great auntsand my nana yeah, I feel like a
lot of my family members are onthere yeah, and our classmates
on there.

So I feel like that's like a social media.
I don't see like dying downyeah, so it'll be interesting,
like when they have kids in like10 years and like see who they
marry yeah, I know it'll be Ifeel like we always get made fun
of, though, for having facebook, like all the guys are like why
do you guys have facebook?

yeah, they don't really.
People say that yeah, like,well, I don't think it's like
it's popular for your generation.

It's like I don't remember the last time I like,
I'll like sit on that.

It's like I posted my graduation so like my
nana will comment on it and belike gorgeous girls oh, I get it
because that's the platformwhere your parents and
grandparents it's definitelyturned into like a family like
that generation like whenfacebook first started, it was
just college and then it went tojust high school.

So when I joined facebook it was 05 and the
college and high school wasseparated.
You were born in 05.

Yeah, oh dear god, isn't that crazy.

I guess maddie was born in 06, so that makes
sense but, yeah, like they wereseparated in high school and
college.
Facebook like couldn't interactand if you didn't have an edu
email you couldn't even get onit.
So it's literally just likeyour classmates yeah and then
they opened it up to the worldand it was like whoa you know,
your parents, best friend'sneighbor from 20 years ago is

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like adding you as a friend.

Yeah, that's funny, super weird.
No, I feel like instagram willbe around for a while for our
generation that's like a big one.
But snapchat I don't see likeus sticking with yeah that one
kind of died down.
Yeah, I don't even really useit that much?

yeah, I used to use it a lot and then now we
don't.

Yeah, we still text on it.
I feel like a lot yeah becausewe don't and like send videos
and stuff yeah like we'll sendvideos, like yeah, long videos
that yeah, we'll just be talkingand sending a video, so it's
like it's essentially like afacetime, but you don't
pre-record it.
Yeah, okay, that's.
It's a weird concept, but Iknow a lot of our college
friends like don't use it asmuch anymore.

So yeah, I probably won't use it.
I kind of want to ask and youdon't have to share if you don't
want to, in case your parentsare going to be listening but
what's like?
What's the social party scenelike in high school?
And college now like our kidsdrinking and it's having keggers
, or does?
Everyone smoke weed.
Are you guys all clean?

it's crazy um, I feel like it's a lot of a lot
.
The boys all do zins what'sthat?

yeah, like the nicotine, like patch like not
patches they're like pouches,pouch, oh, those are big, and
then just drinking, I mean,people smoke weed, but not that
much really.

I mean like some more than others, because
it's different now, because it'slegal, yeah, and some, some
kids will even do shrooms, whichis disgusting, disgusting, but
it's all the it's the boys Ifeel like, like the girls for
the most part, just drink yeahlike grad party season.
There was a lot of drinking,for sure, but like I feel like
it's no like hard drugs, there'sno coke or anything.

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But I will say it's crazy likethe younger generations I feel
like are getting into it at ayounger age than like we were
like my sister she's gonna be 15, going into her sophomore year
and like they had a party lastnight where they were drinking.
I mean, she wasn't, but likesome of her friends yeah, we
didn't really, and they'reliterally 14.

Yeah, I think it's crazy, it's kind of weird.

I mean I feel like there were a lot of kids
that would vape at our middleschool.
I mean you went to a reallynice like middle school.
Like vaping was definitely abig thing in like 2019.
That's a lot of the kids in ourgrade like will still like they
buy their own, which is weird.
I don't, we don't like, likethat stuff um yeah, we'll.

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We'll like have a drink here andthere, but I mean we're going
to college, so I feel like ourparents have accepted it.
Yeah, yeah, of course, butthere's like parties, like
sometimes on the weekends inhigh school, and then, obviously
, like college, everyone haslike well there's like the
homecoming party after afterhomecoming after prom but like I
feel like we didn't nothing toocrazy.

No, so how do you guys like?
Uh, I think that there needs tobe like stepping stones as you
get to college, because if youweren't drinking in high school,
that's what I always say youcould totally like, like all the
parents, screw yourself up mybrother's friend.

He was like on the tightest leash with his
parents at home, like he went tocollege and was like his
roommate.

He was crazy like he's a wild man.

He got, yeah, he got he spent a night in jail,
like first one of the firstweeks of school yeah, there's
kind of.

There's kind of like a breaking in right, if
you're sheltered too much inhigh school.

I feel like eventually in college you're
gonna learn a lot so, like withyou and your parents, it kind of
sounds like maybe you were openbooks with your parents and
like they knew what was going on, to a certain extent, to a
certain extent like I feel likeas I got older yeah, like my dad
was always like once it hitslike spring break at your senior
year like you can startdrinking with me and you can
drink occasionally and it wasaccepted.
My parents know that I drink inthe weekends but like before

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that, they they knew that Iwould drink occasionally, like
junior senior year, but theydidn't really like they weren't
really happy about it and theydidn't know the extent, but now
I feel like I can be like openabout it I feel like our parents
, like trust us, like they'realways like you're gonna come
home in one piece like yeah, Iknow

my parents are like I'm not worried about you
too, do you guys have likelittle safety protocols of like
if you were drinking too much orlike yeah, they have locations,
we have uber?

yeah, my mom has.
I have my mom's uber account soshe's always like never go in
the car with like someone who'sdriving drunk, like always just
uber, call me, oh so you guysuse uber in high school?
Yeah, okay I mean technicallywe're not.
I don't think we're likesupposed to well when you're 18,
you can, you can order your ownubers, because I set up an
account before I was 18 and Icouldn't.

That's actually really interesting.
That's a great tool.
That's available.

My sister will even Uber with her friends.
Sometimes, when someone can'tgo and pick her up, my mom will
just send her an Uber.
Or sometimes my keys will beleft with me and they can't get
my car out of the driveway orsomething and there's an Uber
thing where you can Uber yourkeys back to your house.

Oh, I did't know that either.
Wow, yeah, yeah that'sfascinating you can like send
packages.

Oh, interesting yeah obviously you drink because
it helps have a good time, butthen like but is it?
What's interesting like fromour perspective now is, like you
know, we did that whole partyscene and and it was fun for a
while, but as you get you knowinto older age it's just like it
takes you out for days.

Yeah, I was going to say I feel like we went
through like a peak and nowit's kind of just like.

yeah, it's just kind of like well, and I like
education around, like drinking,is that it really does do a
massive, massive toll on yourbody in terms of, like, your
mental sharpness and your liver.

Oh, yeah, just like in general health, right,
yeah, even like athletics, yeah,and like it gives you more
anxiety.

Like my parents are like well, I already
work out a lot.
And my parents are like, if you, you're gonna be drinking more
in college.

Like you have to work out or you're gonna get
like depressed, I'm like okay,well, and that's a really good
comment.

Yeah, we talk about me and kelly talk about
like the freshman 15 all thetime so many of our older
friends, hopefully their house.
They gained weight.
Yeah like it's not, like, notthat bad, like 10 to 20 pounds
and some are worse, yeah, yeah,I feel like there's a lot of
kids like don't know how tolimit themselves, like it's
either they're getting plasteredor they're not drinking at all,

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and I feel like like peopleneed to learn how to like
control themselves and like yeah, for sure, I agree with that I
feel like it was just a wholenew world for me, because I was
visiting colleges like my secondsemester, my senior year, and
so like I feel like it's justlike I like I don't know how
people do college like going out, going out like three times a
week, like five times a week, ohyeah.

Rachel Wagner (01:00:24):
Yeah, oh, we did that.
Oh, easy.
I mean yeah, there's a specialat the bar every night of the
week, I mean especially at thesebig, especially at Big Ten
schools, you can go out everysingle night.

Campbell / Kelly (01:00:32):
There's like freshman bars, especially at Big
Ten schools yeah.

And you fun for a while, and then you're just
gonna realize yeah, my bodyfeels like terrible and yeah,
you'll be broke, yeah it doesn'thelp.

The bar age at night or at illinois is 19, so
it's like all the freshmen youcan start going to bars, whereas
indiana it's like it's a fratschool yeah, you can't go in
russia until second semester.
So first semester I'm planningon just like locking in
academically and I don't.
I mean, I'll like hang out andbut I can't really go to frats
or anything because of likeblack listing.

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So yeah, we're just gonna hangout.

Jason Wagner (01:01:11):
So both of you were athletes.
What sports did you both play?

we both play lacrosse, and then I did dance
up till my junior year.
Yeah, I played basketball.

What's like what's kind of like your mindset
around, like practice andworking out and like how often
do you think that you need to doit, or like what has been
taught to you yeah, I will saylike prospect high school has a
very like not strict, but liketheir varsity sports it feels

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like almost like a collegeprogram.

Six days a week, it's six days a week.
Even Saturdays you'll have.
Like I will say, basketball wasa lot more intense than
lacrosse was, just because wehad a new program and it was
kind of like we were building upa program, whereas basketball
had been there for a while.
But basketball it was like sixdays a week.
You had to be at practice, like, otherwise you weren't playing

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in the games.
We had games like two or threetimes a week, like it was very,
very strict, like you had totake it seriously, like it
wasn't really like you couldmess around, and I feel like
that was like hard to like getused to because like you go from
middle school where it's kindof just like optional, like
whatever, like dilly-dallyingand like varsity sports are a
lot more time consuming and likementally consuming in high
school.
Yeah, I feel like I only didlacrosse at high school in high
school, like I did dance outside, but I feel like it was kind of

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it wasn't horrible, but I feellike I I've always made an
effort to work out, so I feellike I just do that for the
mental, like my mentality,because I'll be stressed out if
I don't work out so I try to dolike four times four to five
times a week, usually likesometimes six.
Sometimes I'll work like workoutseven days a week.
It just kind of depends on myschedule, wow it's weird, like
going from being like an athleteto now you kind of have to go

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out on your own and like I hadto go to the gym with kelly,
which I literally I don't evenknow how to lift weights like
kelly's.

Like teaching yeah, I started going to the gym
in like eighth grade, yeah, andI just it's like my safe place.

I don't really like I yeah I go to like beat,
get more physically fit, but Ifeel like it's more of a mental
thing for me, because I don'tlike working out at my house
that's amazing.

That's amazing that you know that like that's
like a superpower.

Yeah, it is like I have like a peloton at my
house and stuff and like it'scool, but I don't use them
because I just I need like aseparation.
Yes, yeah, I don't know, it'llbe weird in college like not
having like a practice to go toor like something that's like
keeping you in check.

It's kind of just gonna be because you guys
aren't doing sports in college.

No, yeah, I was thinking about doing like
club lacrosse, but even thatit's kind of like time consuming
, like you're still like takingbuses to like different schools
and like I don't know.
I just feel like I would ratherlike go work out on my own,
yeah.
I probably do like intramural,intramurals or whatever like
flag football with like I don'tknow yeah, oh yeah that's a lot
of fun.

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Yeah, that just seems like fun,but not like anything serious.
It's nice because the gym atIllinois is literally right
across from my dorm, so Iliterally oh, that's really nice
walk across the street, yeah.
Yeah, I like to run outside alot more than like going to the
gym and like lifting weights andstuff, just because, I don't
know, I like the outside element, but lifting weights is also me
and kelly were on like a gymgrind yeah, before we like

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started working, like everythinggot busy we like went to the
gym, like literally, likeprobably like 11 days in a row.

Yeah, it was crazy.
Yeah, it was great it was goodso a couple of the last episodes
we've done.
We were talking abouthomeschool with some people and
I'm just curious, because youguys went through public schools
.

Do you?

guys know of anybody?
Are you friends with anybodywho was homeschooled?
Or do you know of anybody who'sdoing sports at your school who
was a homeschooler?
Just curious.

Let me think I want to say one kid no One kid
that we know like did.
He was like he was really intohockey at one point, one
semester he was homeschooled,but I, it's not really that I
feel like it's not really thatcommon, or at least I don't know
how many people arehomeschooled, like a girl I did
dance with was homeschooled, butnone of my friends I really

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can't think of anyone, but Iknow that people that, like I
know a lot of hockey kids likewhen they play juniors or
whatever they like homes yeahlike one of our friends
graduated early and is going toplay like for a semi-pro league
in iowa.

He's like supposed to be in his senior
year and he's like left theschool early so it's like kids
who had like some otheractivities, kind of pulling them
out, okay, yeah but Idefinitely I feel like it might
become more common, especiallylike private school and
homeschooling, especially if,like, the politics continue in
schools yeah so it'll beinteresting to see well,
something we like have beentalking about.

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And then when I asked my sisterabout it she's the same age as
you guys she mentioned thatafter covid there were a handful
of kids who did homeschool butthen kept doing sports at their
school or like some kids didlike a hybrid and I was like
that's really interesting and itvaries by state.

So yeah, I was just curious, like if you guys
know, I feel like it's not thatcommon just because we have such
good schools in this area, yeahI feel like a lot of people
don't feel the need to justbecause the schools are, like,
so highly rated.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Would you say that your school experience was
highly rated?

I mean, I feel like I think academically, yeah
, Academically almost our wholeclass ends up going to a college
or like doing something afterthey really pushed college like
on everyone which I know collegeisn't for everyone, but they
did a really good job of givingeveryone resources.
They did a really good job withthat, like getting us ready for
college, and even like theclasses they offered.
Like a bigger reason I didn'tend up going to the private
school was because of like Iwouldn't have been able to take

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like half the classes I took.
I took a lot of ap and likecollege classes that smaller
schools don't offer, even likeour middle school compared to
one of the other middle schools,that like feeds into prospect,
like there's a big differenceand like we were like ahead,
like I was, like I had two mathclasses, like I was taking
geometry in eighth grade, wheresome of them were taking it like
sophomore year.

(01:06:48):
So I feel like they offer likea lot of resources for like
every kid, like every kid haslike a plan yeah, do you still
have to take the act?

yeah, yeah, that was was that a big qualifier for
you for your next school?

A lot of colleges went test optional
after the COVID year justbecause not every kid could take
it, so some of those schoolswent back to.
You need to submit a test scoreand our high school offers SAT.
We take the SAT so you cansubmit that one.
Or me and Kelly both went totutoring over at like think tank
in arlington heights and we hadto like, yeah, a lot of people

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get a two.
Like, yeah, like do tutoring foract and sat we had to do I did
it in the summer, it was notvery fun, but they increased my
score by like five yeah, thinktank.

Is that like over it's on?
Yeah, okay, I've seen that.
Yeah, it's, it's right by.

It's pretty close to christian liberty yeah,
that's exactly what I'mthinking of.

So they teach you.
They basically teach you how totake the test.
Yeah, they teach you like tipsand tricks.
I feel like it's a lot.

yeah, the ACT is a lot of like, just like
knowing how to take the test,less knowledge.

Oh yeah, I do not like taking tests.

I'm not very good at them.

Yeah, like, even like certification tests later.
It's about knowing how to takethe test Right.

Yeah, and I think a lot of schools are going
back to not being test optional, I feel like because it's kind
of hard, because some, like GPAsare inflated, some people have
easier classes than others.

Yeah, that's kind of like a baseline yeah.

They're like, oh, this person is from like a
different state.
You can see what they got ontheir ACTs.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And even our high school theywould offer like sat, like prep
classes and stuff like where,like they were trying to help
like students get better testscores because we had like a
record low like sat.
Sat, like our overall averagewas like 900 or maybe even lower

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than that, and they were like,why is it like this low?
So after that they definitelybecause we're supposed to be
like a blue ribbon school.
We're supposed to be like thebest academic school in the
district.
I don't know how.
I don't understand how that waspossible.
Yeah, it was crazy.
So after that I feel like theykind of stepped it up and they
were like okay, like if you guyslike need like tutoring for
this, like we're gonna offer itfor you guys.

So yeah, yeah I don't know.

I definitely feel like I wouldn't have been
gotten into the the kelly schoolbusiness if I didn't get a high
act score.
So like, I feel like it kind ofdepends where you go, but yeah,
yeah rachel, yeah, I think ouract scores were very bad yeah, I
think 23 for me yeah, yeah, Idon't know.

23, yeah, yeah I took it once.

I had to take it three times and I got like
basically the same score everytime, so that was not fun.
I took it once, I had to takeit three times and I got
basically the same score everytime, so that was not fun.
I took it five, but I couldn'tget above a 32.
I kept getting it, but thefirst time I took it I got a 26.
Yeah, I got a 28.

Yeah, those are really good scores.
Those are great scores,obviously, and now you're
getting into some great schools.

Yeah.

I thought it was an interesting comment.
I thought it was an interestingcomment that you said that
majority of people are going tocollege.

Do you know people that are going?

into the trades, or like a couple.

A couple, yeah , yeah there's like a like one
of our friends.
He's going to like firefightersyeah, a couple of them.
There's a few going into, likeI don't know, emt school or like
construction.
But I know like one girl goingto beauty school like, oh yeah,
cosmetology school.
Our district actually got likea new program where, like you,
could like go to beauty schoolfor like half of the day, which

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I thought was really interestingthey've had that for years
really.

Yeah, I feel like it was more popular.
So then you're probably almostdone by the time you graduate.

Yeah, yeah there's a few people that did
that.
Uh, harper is like a reallypopular option which I feel like
should be more normalized.
Yeah, community, I even likecan't afford, but also just like
they don't know what they wantto do and they're at a loss and
need like another year to like ayear or two to figure it out?

were you guys able to get like a lot of resources
to go to school, or did you endup taking out a lot of loans or
what's kind of the thought myparents have been able to?

like, support me yeah, we both have divorced
parents.
So I feel like that kind ofhelps with like financial aid
and stuff not not indiana, butprobably not so much.
But I feel like I only had touse, like one of my parents,
income which helps a lot withfinancial aid and stuff, so I'm
not paying that much to go.
So no loans but, yeah, yeah,that's amazing yeah yeah, I'm

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not taking out any loans.
But yeah, it's definitely not.

It's not cheap.
So you both have divorcedparents.
Yeah, when did they getdivorced?

2020 uh 2018 yeah, oh, we were like yeah, and
we were friends before that'slike why we're yeah, we've been
through it, yeah interesting.

Do you have a lot of friends with divorced parents
?

growing them out yeah it's growing.
It's kind of such a sad yeah Idon't want to be that.

We don't want to shut up on anyone, but yeah, I
would say definitely a growingamount.

Like I feel like kelly was one of like the
first people honestly it wasn'tlike talked about when we were
younger, like that was likeweird.
But I feel like it's definitelymore normalized now, which is
obviously not a good thing.
But I feel like in middleschool and even now, like
people's parents are gettingdivorced like in college, like
it's yeah, yeah, it's kind ofit's sad.

Your parents are divorced.

Yeah, my parents are divorced.
Yeah, both are married too.

Yeah.

Mine's not.
I was pretty young though yeah,it's like kindergarten.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right well girls.

I think that was an awesome conversation.
Thank you for having us.
Thank you, thank you very muchokay.

So how we wrap up these conversations is basically
just like what's, what's yourbig takeaway from the last hour
discussion, rach, why don't youstart, cause I still got to
gather mine.

We talked about a lot.
Yeah, we did talk about a lot.
I mean I think one thing thatreally stood out to me was the
religions class that you guysmentioned, and that teacher that
you had sounds like aphenomenal teacher.

We love him.

Yeah, what I took away from that is that you
enjoyed it because you were ableto have conversation and listen
to other people and thatprobably kind of cut down some
of the division of doing that.
And I think it's awesome thatyou had a class like that in
high school, because I didn'treally come across classes like
that until college, and so Ithink that was really
interesting and really cool.
And then I would just say, like, my takeaway is I think you

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guys are really really maturefor your age and are really in
tune with like what's going on,so I'm really glad that we met
you and have gotten to know youover the last year and I'm
excited to see what where lifegoes for you guys.
Thank you yeah.

Yeah, I definitely agree with all of that.
You guys have a really brightfuture.
You're really fun to talk toand, honestly, if you don't
learn anything in college, butif you just keep talking to
people like, that's going tocarry you a long way too.
Don't forget sales is always agreat avenue, yeah we'll come to
you with real estate questions.
Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, if you get into a real estate
opportunity, I would certainlylove to talk with you about that
?

Yeah and so.
Anyways, I just think that mybig takeaway here is that you
guys are learning things at areally young age, specifically
like even from just like workingout.
You realize that, look, I workout, you know, five to seven
times a week sometimes becauseit helps with my mental
sharpness.

(01:14:00):
I didn't realize that untilmaybe two years ago, you know,
and it's just like it's reallygood.
Maybe two years ago you know,and it's just like it's really
good.
It's really refreshing toactually hear that you guys are
learning like those types oftips and you're doing it at a
young age, and so that's kind oflike.
My big takeaway is like youguys are learning things just
like way faster.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too, like you
have way more tools in yourtoolbox.
Yeah, and maybe it's the socialmedia stuff.

And so I think social media can really be a big
advancer in where your mindsetstands, can be super negative at
the same time.
But I think that you guys justare clear examples of like
people are learning thingsfaster, people are developing
political opinions faster, andthen how do you just recognize
that that's a thing and thenlike combat it so that it

(01:14:43):
doesn't one take over you andyou kind of stay balanced at the
same time.

You know what I mean.
Yeah, I would credit yourparents to that too, cause I
think you both mentioned themand like we talked about it at
home and I think like thatreally shines through and how
you guys have been able tonavigate.
That's what my college essaywas about was like them, like
not babying us from a young agejesse was about was like them
like not babying us from a youngage.

Both of our parents are really big on, not
because, if you like, areholding their hand through all
the way through high school.
It's like you get to collegeand it's like now what you're
like, stuck on your own it'sjust, we even have some friends
that definitely like theirparents.
They depend on their parentsfor so much and like they're
going to college now and they'rekind of like well, like crap it
world.
Yeah, yeah, and I feel like wegot a taste of it earlier, which
put us out.
Love our parents.

(01:15:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No credit to your parents, forsure.

Definitely, especially being divorced
parents, I mean you know,they've obviously done really
well raising both of you.
So what is your biggesttakeaway, Campbell?

I would just say, like, growing up in the
suburbs, I feel like there'slike a wide variety of people
and I like love ArlingtonHeights.
I mean, I grew up inPhiladelphia.
I moved here when I was seven,so it's definitely different
here in the Midwest, but like Ifeel like everyone like has a
background and like everyone haslike a different story.

(01:15:59):
So it's been interesting likebeing able to meet like so many
people and like hearing theirdifferent political opinions and
like religious values and stufflike that, and I just feel like
that's kind of like shaped meinto the person I am like
surrounding myself with like awide variety of people.
Yeah, yeah, my takeaway isprobably just the value of being
able to have conversations likethis and just having being like

(01:16:20):
self-aware and aware of likewhat's going on around you and
aware of like where you'regetting your information from.
And, yeah, I just I enjoytalking about these kinds of
things.
Yeah, that's awesome.

No, that's cool, all right.
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