October 18, 2024 • 34 mins
Catch our take on the Kamala Harris vs Fox News interview and what it says about the state of the media. Going further, we discuss the important voting topics that the left and right are debating, while also diving into Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS). Rachel gives us her opinion on Trump's treatment of women, and finally we talk about the key pieces that will win the election.
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Jason Wagner (00:00):
Welcome back to another episode of the Real Life
Investing Podcast with Jasonand Rachel Wagner.
Today we're talking about theKamala Harris interview with
Brett Baier on Fox News.
That just went on last night.
So Rachel just watched itLiterally you just finished it a
couple minutes ago and tell meyour thought.
I know you don't like that.
(00:22):
I ask you the question first,but if I'm going to start the
show, I get control of what thequestion goes.
So, Rach, what was your overallthought of that interview with
Brett Baer and Kamala Harris?
Rachel Wagner (00:37):
My overall thought is a couple takeaways.
One I thought Brett Baer was alittle bit more aggressive than
I was expecting him to be.
He's always been, I think.
Very.
I've always viewed him as verypolite and calm and just a good
very respectable.
Jason Wagner (00:53):
Yeah, yes, like just you just think of a very
respectable gentleman, and it'sBrett Baer.
Rachel Wagner (00:58):
Yeah, and so I was a little surprised with how
aggressive he was in questioningher, but as we were just
discussing, he was very, verypressed for time.
Aggressive he was inquestioning her but as we were
just discussing, he was very,very pressed for time.
And he was pressed for timebecause she arrived late and
then was also.
He was also informed that theyhad previously agreed to a set
amount of time and she moved itfive to ten minutes shorter, so
(01:20):
arrived late and then also saidwe're only going to talk for
five to ten minutes shorter thaninitially planned.
Jason Wagner (01:26):
So I think that explains a little bit.
Yeah, you actually brought thatto my attention because I
didn't recognize that and I also, as a viewer, I watched it last
night without you and I waslike, boy, this is not the Brett
that I normally see.
Brett is not usuallyinterrupting people.
He allows them to speak.
Rachel Wagner (01:46):
Yeah, there's a lot of people on Fox who are
very aggressive, but he's notone of them.
Jason Wagner (01:50):
Now that you bring this up, that she was late and
they weren't going to have thedesignated time that they had
allowed or that they originallyplanned for.
Now that just rushes somebody.
And what's interesting is thatas you watch her responses, a
lot of them are like filibustertype responses, where it's like
we're not going to answer thequestion, we're going to divert
(02:12):
it to something else and kind oflike work your way around it
and just kind of fluff.
Right, there's a lot of fluffresponse.
Rachel Wagner (02:18):
So the other thing I was going to say as a
takeaway is it's a little bit ofa nugget to her.
She's come a long way fromwhere she was four years ago,
five years ago, when she wascampaigning in the Democratic
primary.
I remember listening to herspeak way back then.
I mean she was just like thelowest bottom of the barrel.
You know, didn't even make itto Iowa's primary because she
was so unliked.
And then thinking about how shewas speaking as vice president
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over the last three and a halfyears and then at the very
beginning of her campaign, thisinterview she's much more
polished, much more able to atleast say something that you can
like that's coherent, you canlike understand where she's
going.
It's definitely Philip Buffs.
She's not answering questionsdirectly.
She didn't really give anyanswer to any of the questions.
But I will give her a littlebit of a nugget and saying, okay
(03:02):
, she's now presenting herself alittle bit more polished, but
that's the only nugget she'sgoing to get.
Jason Wagner (03:10):
Well, I think you have to.
You're only 20 days away fromthis election.
Rachel Wagner (03:15):
Yeah, actually I think it's kind of impressive
Because literally, when shefirst started running.
Jason Wagner (03:20):
What a joke.
She's gone from zero to 100really quickly.
Rachel Wagner (03:23):
Yeah, what a joke .
But that's because she's beenworking with Hollywood.
Jason Wagner (03:26):
What's the joke?
Why did you say that?
Rachel Wagner (03:28):
No, I was saying back when she was initially
running.
She was such a joke.
Oh, okay, she's been a joke,the entire vice presidency, okay
, which is why she's been hiding.
I mean they would never let hergo on TV.
It was like who's worse, joe orkamala.
I mean just total disaster.
But right.
Jason Wagner (03:44):
Yeah, yeah, you're funny.
No, but what?
What were the?
The other big takeover?
I mean now that I've again, Idid not know, because I watched
it through social media, Iwatched it through x.
I did not know that they werelate by 30 minutes and that
(04:05):
clearly was a problem.
Yeah, hold on.
All right, I'm sorry, we justhad to interrupt there because
someone came to our front doorand didn't ring the doorbell but
just put a little packet herethat says vote red, which is
shocking.
And I went and answered thedoor and I caught her as she was
walking away and she's like ohhi, I'm sorry, I was just
putting this pamphlet on yourdoor.
(04:26):
We're the Illinois Republicansand, you know, wanted to give
you some information about.
This is Maria McCarthy, who'srunning for judge, and what she
said to me.
She's like you look friendly.
So I gave you the packet andI'm like how would you have
guessed, as I have a Trump flagthat's flying outside of my
house.
(04:46):
So, anyways, that was actuallya nice little delight to to kind
of get some of that informationon and we can learn a little
bit more about some of our localelections that are going on,
with maria mccarthy for judge.
Anyways, going back to thisinterview, I think that whole
time piece is like reallyimportant for the viewer to
understand, because I looked atthe media as being like this is
(05:07):
a classic, like this is why wedon't like the media is because
they don't allow you to answerthe questions.
They are interrupting you andthey're asking really tough,
difficult questions and couldthey be like pigeonholing them
into a response, like a more ofan I gotcha moment.
And that's the way I honestlylooked at it from the fox news
(05:30):
perspective, because this iswhat cnn or msnbc or the abc,
this is what they do to trump,and I'm like you guys are doing
the exact same thing to kamala,and that's my original
impression yeah, well, shedeflected all of them right.
But now I don't have thatimpression because you just let
me know that she showed up 30minutes late.
(05:53):
They were supposed to bescheduled for an hour and then
she says oh, actually we'regoing to cut it short by 10
minutes, so you really only have20 to 25 minutes with me.
Like what in the world.
So all of a sudden, now I don'thave such a hard time with the
way Brett Baier acted duringthat interview because now I
(06:13):
understand the situation and Ithink this is a really critical
point for most people and I'm avictim of this too.
But we see a clip, instantjudgment, instant.
And it's either one way or theother.
And I've had people send meemotional responses before A
picture of Trump giving thethumbs up at the cemetery,
(06:36):
somebody saying this guy iscompletely horrible, shouldn't
be thumbs upping with otherpeople at a cemetery.
Well, were you there?
Do you know the situation?
Because if you knew thesituation, you may not be
responding in the way that theemotional pull is of that clip
or of that one photo.
(06:57):
And I'll be honest again, whenI was watching it last night I
was like why is Brett being theway he is?
Well, now I understand BecauseI know the situation and so I
think that's really critical.
Rachel Wagner (07:11):
Okay, all right.
So more content now.
Yeah, all right.
Well, right out of the gate shewas asked you know how many
people have been released intothe country?
What's the number, what's thenumber?
And she wouldn't answer thatquestion, she just deflected,
which I think is a littleannoying, because she obviously
has that information.
She's in the white house rightnow.
Jason Wagner (07:29):
And then do you know what that, what that number
is?
Is it like nine, is it like 9million?
Rachel Wagner (07:33):
I think he said six, but the estimates go up to
11 million.
I mean, the reality is, I'msure don't have an exact number,
they only have an estimate.
Jason Wagner (07:43):
But yeah, I've heard between six and eleven
right and and so when shedoesn't acknowledge that that
was a problem, I mean.
So she acknowledges and saysyou know what?
Our border is not perfect wellhere.
Rachel Wagner (07:55):
Here was my frustration with that, with what
ended up being.
Her answer is she's like okay,first, nine months I think is
what she said that her and joewere in office, they brought a
bill to Congress that theywanted to pass, and she's like
it didn't pass.
And he's like, well, sixDemocrats didn't vote for it and
the Republicans didn't vote forit either.
But what he was trying to sayis the very first thing.
Jason Wagner (08:13):
You guys did, so.
The bill wasn't good to beginwith if you didn't have your
Democrats voting for it, inwhich they controlled the House.
Yeah, yeah right, they controlthe house.
And so if you don't have all ofyour democrats, supporting it.
Rachel Wagner (08:27):
Clearly there's something wrong with it, right?
Well, I think his point was youguys reversed all of the trump
policy immigration policies whenyou got into the office, and
then you introduced this bill tocorrect the problem you just
created.
So that was that was myannoyance, is it was like you
guys created this problem now?
Now you're trying to blameRepublicans for not voting in
the two bills you have brought,because they brought another one
(08:48):
recently and they're trying toblame Republicans for not
approving that.
And it's like which.
Maybe that did end up gettingapproved.
I don't even know.
I don't think it did.
But the point is, the problem,to this extent, didn't exist
under Trump's administration.
It started because of thepolicy revisions that you guys
did, and then you try to solveit with it, with another
(09:10):
solution, right?
So you create a problem andthen you're trying to say, well,
I'm trying to solve it, I'mtrying to solve it, blah, blah,
blah.
Why'd you create it?
That that's the question.
Jason Wagner (09:19):
That's my question right, because they reverse
ownership for creating theproblem they reversed trump's
policy because they thought itwas racist.
Yeah, right, and that was thecatch and release or remain in
mexico policy, which was if wecaught them, we could detain
them, but instead they changedit to if we caught them catch
release.
Rachel Wagner (09:37):
We release them into the country yeah, and took
it even a step further, and withthe promise that they're
supposed to show up for a courtdate yeah, like seven years
later right and, in the meantime, free health care, free housing
, potentially free college.
Jason Wagner (09:48):
At one point she was on and so that's the thing
is that I was talking with youearlier when we were out for a
walk and we were talking aboutthis.
Why doesn't she just admit thatthat was a?
That was a mistake.
Rachel Wagner (09:59):
I actually think that she would gain a lot of
republican voters yeah, I meanthis, mean this is a problem
among all politicians though Iwill say it's not just her.
But politicians never want toadmit they're wrong.
They just like to spin it intotheir new future solution.
And I think so many politicianswould do better by just
acknowledging their mistake.
But the reason they don't dothat is because the media will
(10:20):
only play their admission oftheir mistake 500 million times.
So that's all people remember,Right?
Jason Wagner (10:25):
Right, but I said this about Trump too, when it
came to the vaccine stuff is.
Rachel Wagner (10:29):
I needed him to admit the wrongdoing Right and
he he didn't.
But what he did do is bring onRFK and Casey and Kelly beans
and right, because now that'sthe new way forward.
Jason Wagner (10:40):
Yeah, right, so it's a politician way, right.
Yeah, politicians don't admitit's.
You don't admit fault, yeah,although when we talk about
columbus day that just happenedkamala comes out and says well,
the fault is three.
Over 300 years ago was we stoleall these lands and I feel
terrible about that.
(11:01):
Okay, why does she admit faultfor the European settlers on
that perspective, but she can'tadmit fault on?
Yeah, shit, we should not havechanged that policy.
Well, in a politician way,right?
Rachel Wagner (11:20):
Yeah, and to create shame for white people.
Jason Wagner (11:22):
Well, yeah, and right to divide race yeah.
And to create shame for whitepeople oh, yeah, yeah.
And right to divide race cardyeah, yeah.
So in my opinion, I think thatshe would make a huge stride
forward is if she just said look, we overturned the Trump
executive order.
We didn't think that it wasfair, it has created a problem.
We regret doing that and youknow what we're going to take
(11:47):
executive action as soon as youelect me, or before you elect me
, to change that policy.
The border discussion would beover.
It would be over.
She has absorbed Trump'spolicies on no tax, on tips,
because it's a great idea.
Rachel Wagner (12:05):
Yeah, it's kind of funny.
It's a great idea, All right.
Jason Wagner (12:08):
Well, now Trump can't talk about that Shit.
She's doing that.
Well, she stole my idea, but itworks.
She could say the same thing.
I am going to admit that wescrewed up on the border and I'm
going to put in executive orderaction and go back to what
Trump originally had.
We're eliminating the policydiscussion.
(12:29):
Remember how we were justtalking?
Is that the reason that we havea lot of people who can't vote
for Trump is because they'reemotional about him?
Rachel Wagner (12:39):
Oh yeah.
Jason Wagner (12:40):
But when you talk to them about the policy, they
agree that the policies on theRepublican side make more sense,
and we have a lot of peoplethat are recognizing that used
to be Democrats.
Hey, I actually align with alot of the Republican policies,
but I still can't vote for Trumpbecause of the emotional
response, because I hate him.
He's a terrible guy.
(13:01):
Well, what if you eliminatednow that policy discussion?
Hey, I'm going to align witheverything that Donald Trump is
going to do?
You would win.
You would win a landslide,because nobody can vote for
Trump based off of hispersonality.
We're voting for Kamala basedoff of her personality, not her
policies.
But if she were to absorb theRepublican policies, she would
(13:25):
win.
Is that too far?
A little Too simplistic?
Rachel Wagner (13:29):
Yeah, I think it's a little too simplistic.
I get what you're saying,though.
I think in most policyinstances that is probably true,
with the exception of abortionand women's rights.
Jason Wagner (13:40):
Well, right, with the main exception.
But the biggest problems, thebiggest thing that people care
about for Trump is that it's theeconomy and it is immigration,
because immigration has caused alot of crime issues.
The crime was already startingbecause of the George Floyd
stuff and defunding other policeand like all of that whole
(14:06):
culture change that has occurredand so people care about their
safety.
The immigration stuff is highon that list because it impacts
their safety and people careabout their wallets.
And so if Kamala is able to sayI'm going to do, I mean she has
some housing policies where shesays, hey, I'm going to build 3
(14:26):
million homes, that's certainlygoing to help with the supply.
It's probably more like fourmillion, but if she can actually
build three million homes inthe next four years, like she
says she's going to, that willtotally help the housing market.
Like she actually has a fewpolicies that on the economy
could potentially help.
I'm not going to say they'renot bad ideas what's the plan to
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actually build those houses?
Rachel Wagner (14:51):
just saying like, just saying you're going to do.
Jason Wagner (14:51):
That're not bad ideas.
What's the plan to actuallybuild those houses?
Rachel Wagner (14:52):
just saying like just saying you're going to do
that, does it mean crap?
Jason Wagner (14:55):
right, exactly.
Well, and to your point is Idon't believe that she has the
execution ability.
Rachel Wagner (15:00):
She does not.
Government does not currentlyhave.
Jason Wagner (15:02):
The government is very clear, but again, we're
talking about winning anelection.
Yeah, right, right, yeah, Idon't.
And and this is why I'm votingfor trump even if she were to
say all these things like, hey,I align with all the with all
the republicans.
No, I don't, and this is whyI'm voting for Trump even if she
were to say all these thingslike, hey, I align with all the
Republicans.
No, I don't actually believeyou, because we've seen that the
government does not have theability and you've seen it is
that you guys were supposed tobuild this whole network of
supercharters for electricvehicles and you built two.
Rachel Wagner (15:23):
You were also supposed to forgive all student
loans, right?
They also didn't do that, right.
Jason Wagner (15:27):
So you've promised a lot of things.
Your execution is awful isawful.
But again, my point here isthat if she wants to win in the
next 20 days, start absorbingTrump's policies and you will
gain a ton of voters.
Rachel Wagner (15:49):
Yes, let's talk about.
Where do you, where do youthink?
This where do you think we'reat?
We're 19 days out now from theelection.
Jason Wagner (15:53):
Yeah, yikes, I think tensions are high for a
lot of people.
Well, yeah, it totally is.
It is for people that areingrained in it right and people
that pay attention to it,because the stakes are high.
The stakes are so incrediblyhigh.
I believe that if the left wins, it is going to be extremely
tough to change anything thathas been happening that we don't
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like over the last four years.
It's going to accumulate andget worse.
I think Elon Musk has a very,very valid point is that if we
give amnesty to all theseillegals that just came in and
migrated towards the swingstates, those states are likely
going to become a permanent blue.
Now, all of a sudden, there'sno more swing states.
Okay.
Rachel Wagner (16:35):
Simplistic.
Now, all of a sudden, we're asingle party system.
Jason Wagner (16:38):
Right, simplistic forecasting here, but that's a
real reality, and so do Ibelieve that this is the most
important election of ourlifetime, absolutely, because if
the left wins, I think the leftwill always win.
If the right wins, we have achance to go back to balance,
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and so I think it's going to beextremely deflating with the
Democrats win, right, but aviewer who's voting Democrat now
is going to be like what do youmean?
It's going to be awesome, right, but I think, when you think
about America as a whole, it isjust going to be democratic for
the, for the foreseeable future.
Rachel Wagner (17:15):
So you've been having a lot of conversations
with people lately becauseyou've been very outspoken on
social media about things, andthere's people who do interact
with you on this topic, andthere's a lot of people who
you've had conversations withrecently who are not voting for
Donald Trump, and I just want toask you I think I know the
answer, but I'm curious whatyour perspective is is how many
of these people, when they tellyou that they're voting for
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Kamala Harris, are doing sobased on her policy, and how
many people are doing so becausethey hate Donald Trump?
Jason Wagner (17:44):
Zero Zero are doing it based off of their
policy.
I mean maybe the abortionstance, right?
Yeah, I mean maybe the abortion.
Rachel Wagner (17:52):
Stance right, yeah, I mean I haven't even
really heard you talk about thatMuch as people talk to you.
But what I, it's thrown intothe.
Jason Wagner (17:57):
It's thrown into the mix.
Rachel Wagner (17:58):
It's mostly I hate Donald Trump, it's not the
number one.
Jason Wagner (18:01):
It's not the number one Reason.
It is I can't stand DonaldTrump.
That why?
Why are you voting for KamalaHarris?
I can't stand Donald Trump.
He's a horrible person.
Okay, that's literally the firstthing out of their mouth yeah
and then if there's areproductive right topic, it
gets, it does get thrown into.
That could be second, but thenumber one leading cause is that
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I do not care for donald trump.
So what do we call that trumpderangeangement syndrome?
Right, it's just.
You have an emotional responsetowards how he is perceived to
treat women.
Now, you're a woman and you'regoing to be voting for Donald
Trump.
I've talked to plenty of women.
I see plenty of women at hisrallies.
There are tons and tons ofwomen that are voting for Donald
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Trump, and I don't understandthe argument where I don't like
the way that he treats women.
Well then, why are all theseother people?
Why are all these other womenlooking past any of that miss
woman over here?
Why are you?
Why are you looking past theway that he treats women, or
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what is the way that he treatswomen in your view?
Rachel Wagner (19:15):
Yeah, I don't believe that he is mistreating
women.
I think there have been severalwomen who work with him
currently, who work with himmore recently, especially within
his private-owned companies,that have praised him for how
he's treated women in theworkplace, how he's elevated
women up to high positions, howfair he is.
That's not just true for women,that's also true for minorities
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and, from what I can see, myperspective of what has happened
is they did a lot of digging inhis past to try and find clips
or instances where he was.
Try and find clips or instanceswhere he was very distasteful
and something that he said.
You know, I think the mostcommon thing I hear is the whole
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grab it by the pussies thing.
I mean, yeah, what an awful,terrible thing to say, right,
but my takeaway on that is onehe didn't know he was being
recorded.
That doesn't dismiss thecomment by any means whatsoever,
but let's also put intoperspective, like if you had a
camera on you at all times, howmany distasteful things have you
said, right?
Jason Wagner (20:22):
So I, you could say, we could say the same thing
about you.
Rachel Wagner (20:24):
Yeah, of course that's my point.
That's my point.
Right Is like any person in theworld.
Jason Wagner (20:28):
It's not just me, it's like any person in the
world.
It's not just me, it's anybody.
Rachel Wagner (20:30):
I wasn't saying you, I was just saying, like, in
general, any person, any personwho has a camera on them at any
time, like if you get caughtsaying something off the cuff,
or taken out of context, becauseI think some of the race things
and xenophobic things that theytry to say about him have also
very much been taken out ofcontext.
But with that particularcomment one, it was like 20
years ago or however many yearsago.
It was a long time ago beforehe was ever in the political
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race.
He was younger.
He's always been a ladies man.
I mean literally like hisentire career in public.
Everybody's known this abouthim.
He's been married three times.
He's got kids from threedifferent moms, like it's not a
surprise that he likes women,and in sexually ways, right,
like.
So it's not that I like thatcomment.
It's not that I like thatcomment.
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It's not that I condone thatcomment.
It's not that I think thatcomment is okay.
It's that I don't think thatone comment defines him as a
person or defines him as apolitician or a leader of this
country.
Had he said that while runningor had he said that while in
office, that's a much biggerproblem, right.
But he said this way the fucklong ago.
Right again, I'm not condoningit.
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I'm sure I'm gonna get attackedby so many women for saying
this, but like I have heard somepretty crude things out of male
voices, male males, right menthat I know, I've heard some
pretty crude things about womenand about people and I don't
think that those things thatthey say define them as who they
are.
So there's that comment.
Obviously there's more recentones and what I would say about
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that.
Jason Wagner (21:56):
What?
What's a more recent one?
Rachel Wagner (21:58):
He said something about Rosie O'Donnell.
What do you call her?
Jason Wagner (22:01):
Probably fat.
Rachel Wagner (22:02):
Like a fat pig or something.
Jason Wagner (22:03):
Yeah.
Rachel Wagner (22:04):
Yeah, very crude, awful thing to say, right, but
was that in response and defenseto something that she had said
or done about him?
Doesn't make it OK.
But I guess my whole thing isis like everybody loved Donald
Trump until he ran for president.
All of these people HillaryClinton, oprah, rosie O'Donnell,
all of these freaking peopleloved him, they adored him.
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They didn't have any problemwith the things that he said,
right, they had no issue withhim being a ladies man prior to
him running for office and thesecond that he ran for office,
all of a sudden, attack, attack,attack, attack, attack.
And he has become verydefensive and very mean.
Back to these people, and Iguess my perspective is I would
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be too.
I would be defensive too.
Right, they've attacked hisfamily, they've attacked his
children, they've attacked him,they've attacked his companies,
his career.
He just said the other day he'sbeen investigated more times
than Al Capone.
Jason Wagner (23:00):
I don't know if that's accurate, but if it is,
wow, right, and it probably is,given how many investigations
they have done and they haven'tfound anything, right yeah, all
the phony, the phonyinvestigations, right yeah, and
obviously, like I'm I'm missing,like that's why he has so much
traction.
Rachel Wagner (23:15):
Assault like wasn't there like an assault
case against him and an allegedrape and things like that, and I
don't know the facts of thatwell, yeah, he's a criminal in
some sort.
Jason Wagner (23:24):
Right, there is some ruling that he is being
criminalized, right, like he hasa civil like he's.
Rachel Wagner (23:30):
He's got a felony , he was found not guilty, but
then he's like yeah, yeah ormisdemeanor, I don't really know
the details.
Jason Wagner (23:37):
Okay, yeah, and so our critics here are going to
say well, you don't even knowthe.
You know the lawsuits againsthim because he's had so many and
so many have failed.
This is literally what hashappened to this man is that it
is a throw shit against a wall.
And see what sticks to thatcomment.
I've been investigated morethan al capone and he's still
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likely to be our next presidentwith a felony charge.
It tells you that the americanpeople don to his point of
stature and how the system istrying to pull him down and find
(24:21):
a small little bookkeepingerror in a massive company.
Right, it's just.
These are the.
These are the crazy things thatwe spend so much time
discussing, that the left spendsso much time discussing, and
those things don't impact theeveryday person.
The things that impact theeveryday person is Trump's
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stances on the border.
Rachel Wagner (24:45):
Right, and that's the point I was trying to get
at.
I think I went too much at theweeds on the details.
But, like you know, well you'reright Because the people that
that want to don't want.
Well, you're right.
Jason Wagner (24:52):
Right because because the people that that
want to don't want to vote fortrump is because he's a felon
right, they've classified him asa felon.
For what reason?
You ask anyone on the streetwhat's trump a felon for?
Rachel Wagner (25:04):
nobody, freaking knows, nobody knows yeah it was
it was yeah, and that's, andthat's supporting tax documents
because we've all recognizeddude there's been.
It's kind of like it wasbookkeeping in a business, the
things that were previouslymisdemeanors, not felonies.
Jason Wagner (25:22):
They were elevated right, yeah, right and it's
kind of like when you talk tosomebody and all they do is
travel and you ask them, oh,like you know how many vacations
have you been on?
Or like somebody asks you aboutthem and you're like, yeah,
they're like always going onlike all these vacations, like I
don't even know where they went, because they've been to so
many places.
Right, you know how many timeswe come across this.
(25:44):
I don't even know what trumphas been like gone after for,
because there's been so manythat nothing has actually stuck
and they're all old, right,they're all so old they're all
so old.
Rachel Wagner (25:58):
This is not something that he did last year
no right, and and so it wasdating back to like the stormy
daniels thing.
Jason Wagner (26:05):
Right, right yeah and so this is the thing it's
like, you know, the the tds, thetrump derangement syndrome.
It comes from these emotionalnarratives that has been pushed
by media, that has been pushedby the lawfare, by the Justice
Department, to go after him, toactually and frame him for the
documents down in Mar-a-Lago.
(26:26):
Remember the phony picturewhere they said, oh, we found
these top secret documents.
Like no, they actually placedthe top secret flag in front of
documents and it got leaked tosocial media.
That was a setup.
Rachel Wagner (26:39):
Well, and it's not a fair playing field.
So I mean, they're literallygoing after Trump for every
single little thing and diggingup every single little comment
and stuff in the history.
But look at all these otherpeople who've been in office.
I mean freaking, bill Clintonwas doing it with an intern and
he lied under oath to Congress,right?
Everybody still loved him.
Jason Wagner (26:56):
He didn't have sexual relations with that woman
.
What do you mean?
She was sucking your dickunderneath the table.
Stop it.
Well, no, I didn't have sexualrelations, because you know what
Fallatio, like that is notsexual relations because there's
no penetration, like okay, likethat is not sexual relations
because there's no penetration,like okay, like that is what we
were talking about is that whathe?
said, well, that, no, I thinkthat's what it is.
(27:18):
Is that that's what it camedown to for him?
Is that that's the reason thathe could?
He could tell the americanpeople on camera I did not have
sexual relations with that woman.
That is such an iconic momentbecause his definition of sexual
relations was penetration, notblow jobs yeah, yeah, we're
(27:39):
going out in tangents here, butthe point is that it's not.
Rachel Wagner (27:42):
It's not a fair level playing field, right, and
like the last election wherethey were trying to make trump
like this big racist.
It's like, look at joe bBiden's history of all the
racist things he's said and doneand all that was that's okay,
that's okay, that doesn't count.
Right, like is oh, you're ain'tblack If you don't vote for me,
and how he didn't want to mixblack and white kids in schools
(28:04):
and things like that was allreal footage of him saying this
stuff, but we just ignored it.
Right, it's not a fair levelplaying field and that's that's
why it's like I don't.
I don't hold a lot of credit ormerit to that, because I fully
believe that the media andanybody that you're going to
debate with could paint anegative picture of literally
anybody yeah, anybody out there.
(28:24):
We could make you look racist,homophobic, xenophobic, anything
you name it sexist you.
You could be painted in apicture of however the other
person wants to and in this bookthat I'm reading it's called
the parasitic mind.
Jason Wagner (28:39):
He says victimology.
I'm a victim because I amliterally.
If you, if you believe thatyou're a victim of something you
, you can paint to your point.
You can paint anybody into thatbox, you can, yeah, yeah.
Rachel Wagner (28:54):
And so they attack him on character because
they can't, on policy becausepolicies worked.
Jason Wagner (28:59):
Yeah, right, and so I think that overall
interview I will give Kamalacredit.
I think that she stuck up toBrett Baier in certain instances
where he was trying tointerrupt her.
Rachel Wagner (29:12):
Yeah, there was a lot of talking over.
Jason Wagner (29:14):
In which, I think, showed a little bit of strength
on her end.
But the reason Brett Baer wasdoing that was because she was
late and they were waving her tostop the interview because they
were over time.
At the end of the day, to yourpoint, that was not a fair
interview.
We actually didn't get a chancefor the Republicans to see what
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she's like.
Rachel Wagner (29:36):
Yeah, I thought it was funny.
At the end she was like oh,I've got a lot more I could say
about Donald Trump and I couldshare it.
Jason Wagner (29:41):
Go to my website.
Rachel Wagner (29:42):
Why did your people just cut the interview
short?
Jason Wagner (29:44):
Why aren't you?
Yeah, you want to talk more.
Well, feel free.
Rachel Wagner (29:48):
Go out and campaign like Trump.
Jason Wagner (29:57):
Fuck anywhere and everywhere.
And that's, and that's thething about kamala is like she
doesn't give enough time and shedoesn't do enough interviews
for people to get a real sense.
Okay, you could, you couldwatch hours and hours and hours
of footage of trump talking, buthere's the other side.
That the left will say is likeI heard trump talk but all I
heard was rambling yeah becausethey?
there's again the trumpderangement syndrome, which is
anything this guy says isterrible.
(30:20):
And I can't even listen to it,right?
Because I'm just so emotionallyupset that this man is talking
that all he's doing is rambling.
Talk to me about his policy.
Please, if you're going toengage with political
conversation, stop talking abouthow terrible of a man he is and
(30:40):
how we're flipping the pagebecause of 10 years of this type
of behavior.
No, we care about what is hegoing to do for us?
Rachel Wagner (30:49):
well, the whole flipping the page thing, I think
is is such a stupid thing to besaying because you're already
currently in office like it'ssuch a bad argument to say
change is coming when you're anincumbent yeah you can't
criticize your opponent forstuff that's currently happening
when you're the one in officelike and I think that's a lot-
well, that's a lot.
Jason Wagner (31:08):
That's a logical thing, it's just it was, but
that's a lot.
Rachel Wagner (31:10):
That's the logical thing.
Jason Wagner (31:11):
It's just crazy, but that's the logical response.
You can't criticize youropponent for things that you
have done and the problems thatyou have created.
Well, you can, because DonaldTrump's a bad man.
Rachel Wagner (31:24):
All right, and now we're going to do better.
We're going to do better.
Now We've got a plan.
Jason Wagner (31:28):
We think that we'll do better Because the
execution probably actuallywon't happen.
But Donald Trump's a bad man,yep, and so that's.
We have to get past theemotional sense of this,
although I was listening to aTucker episode yesterday and he
was talking to a guest of hisand the guest said look,
(31:49):
elections are one.
The guest said look, electionsare one off of emotion.
They're one off of emotion 100,100 and so that is the strategy
yes, that that.
Rachel Wagner (32:01):
That is why I believe the majority of white
educated women vote democratic.
I think it is the emotionalpull strings on mostly women's
rights and abortion, but I thinkimmigration as well, and I
think it comes from theseparating kids from their
families.
You know the whole separatingmigrant children from their
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families and then the whole lineof abortion and women's right
to choose.
I think it is that, that's whatit is every year.
Jason Wagner (32:30):
Yeah, yeah.
So you run on emotion and youwin on emotion.
Yeah, even if emotion isn'tlogical.
So, at the end of the day, thisis going to be a really tight
race, in my opinion.
Rachel Wagner (32:41):
I will keep talking about it, yeah.
Jason Wagner (32:43):
Yeah, this thing, this thing needs to go in one
direction in a landslide, andit's either left or right.
If it's really close, I thinkwe're going to have a lot of
trouble ahead.
I think it is going to bereally close.
My hope is that it's alandslide victory in one
direction, whether that's forKamala or whether it's for Trump
, because you know what?
I think we can get a lot moreclosure in landslide victories
(33:06):
than we can in something that'sclose.
Rachel Wagner (33:08):
Yeah.
Jason Wagner (33:10):
Right, it's just like getting your ass beat on a
football field by, you know, ateam that beat you by 50 points.
You get a lot of closure onthat.
Yeah, we sucked.
You do not get closure whenlast second field goal yeah
right, yeah, all right, cool,thanks for listening.
We'll talk more about this andwe'll catch you on the next
episode.
Welcome back to another episode of the Real Life
Investing Podcast with Jasonand Rachel Wagner.
Today we're talking about theKamala Harris interview with
Brett Baier on Fox News.
That just went on last night.
So Rachel just watched itLiterally you just finished it a
couple minutes ago and tell meyour thought.
I know you don't like that.
(00:22):
I ask you the question first,but if I'm going to start the
show, I get control of what thequestion goes.
So, Rach, what was your overallthought of that interview with
Brett Baer and Kamala Harris?
Rachel Wagner (00:37):
My overall thought is a couple takeaways.
One I thought Brett Baer was alittle bit more aggressive than
I was expecting him to be.
He's always been, I think.
Very.
I've always viewed him as verypolite and calm and just a good
very respectable.
Jason Wagner (00:53):
Yeah, yes, like just you just think of a very
respectable gentleman, and it'sBrett Baer.
Rachel Wagner (00:58):
Yeah, and so I was a little surprised with how
aggressive he was in questioningher, but as we were just
discussing, he was very, verypressed for time.
Aggressive he was inquestioning her but as we were
just discussing, he was very,very pressed for time.
And he was pressed for timebecause she arrived late and
then was also.
He was also informed that theyhad previously agreed to a set
amount of time and she moved itfive to ten minutes shorter, so
(01:20):
arrived late and then also saidwe're only going to talk for
five to ten minutes shorter thaninitially planned.
Jason Wagner (01:26):
So I think that explains a little bit.
Yeah, you actually brought thatto my attention because I
didn't recognize that and I also, as a viewer, I watched it last
night without you and I waslike, boy, this is not the Brett
that I normally see.
Brett is not usuallyinterrupting people.
He allows them to speak.
Rachel Wagner (01:46):
Yeah, there's a lot of people on Fox who are
very aggressive, but he's notone of them.
Jason Wagner (01:50):
Now that you bring this up, that she was late and
they weren't going to have thedesignated time that they had
allowed or that they originallyplanned for.
Now that just rushes somebody.
And what's interesting is thatas you watch her responses, a
lot of them are like filibustertype responses, where it's like
we're not going to answer thequestion, we're going to divert
(02:12):
it to something else and kind oflike work your way around it
and just kind of fluff.
Right, there's a lot of fluffresponse.
Rachel Wagner (02:18):
So the other thing I was going to say as a
takeaway is it's a little bit ofa nugget to her.
She's come a long way fromwhere she was four years ago,
five years ago, when she wascampaigning in the Democratic
primary.
I remember listening to herspeak way back then.
I mean she was just like thelowest bottom of the barrel.
You know, didn't even make itto Iowa's primary because she
was so unliked.
And then thinking about how shewas speaking as vice president
(02:40):
over the last three and a halfyears and then at the very
beginning of her campaign, thisinterview she's much more
polished, much more able to atleast say something that you can
like that's coherent, you canlike understand where she's
going.
It's definitely Philip Buffs.
She's not answering questionsdirectly.
She didn't really give anyanswer to any of the questions.
But I will give her a littlebit of a nugget and saying, okay
(03:02):
, she's now presenting herself alittle bit more polished, but
that's the only nugget she'sgoing to get.
Jason Wagner (03:10):
Well, I think you have to.
You're only 20 days away fromthis election.
Rachel Wagner (03:15):
Yeah, actually I think it's kind of impressive
Because literally, when shefirst started running.
Jason Wagner (03:20):
What a joke.
She's gone from zero to 100really quickly.
Rachel Wagner (03:23):
Yeah, what a joke .
But that's because she's beenworking with Hollywood.
Jason Wagner (03:26):
What's the joke?
Why did you say that?
Rachel Wagner (03:28):
No, I was saying back when she was initially
running.
She was such a joke.
Oh, okay, she's been a joke,the entire vice presidency, okay
, which is why she's been hiding.
I mean they would never let hergo on TV.
It was like who's worse, joe orkamala.
I mean just total disaster.
But right.
Jason Wagner (03:44):
Yeah, yeah, you're funny.
No, but what?
What were the?
The other big takeover?
I mean now that I've again, Idid not know, because I watched
it through social media, Iwatched it through x.
I did not know that they werelate by 30 minutes and that
(04:05):
clearly was a problem.
Yeah, hold on.
All right, I'm sorry, we justhad to interrupt there because
someone came to our front doorand didn't ring the doorbell but
just put a little packet herethat says vote red, which is
shocking.
And I went and answered thedoor and I caught her as she was
walking away and she's like ohhi, I'm sorry, I was just
putting this pamphlet on yourdoor.
(04:26):
We're the Illinois Republicansand, you know, wanted to give
you some information about.
This is Maria McCarthy, who'srunning for judge, and what she
said to me.
She's like you look friendly.
So I gave you the packet andI'm like how would you have
guessed, as I have a Trump flagthat's flying outside of my
house.
(04:46):
So, anyways, that was actuallya nice little delight to to kind
of get some of that informationon and we can learn a little
bit more about some of our localelections that are going on,
with maria mccarthy for judge.
Anyways, going back to thisinterview, I think that whole
time piece is like reallyimportant for the viewer to
understand, because I looked atthe media as being like this is
(05:07):
a classic, like this is why wedon't like the media is because
they don't allow you to answerthe questions.
They are interrupting you andthey're asking really tough,
difficult questions and couldthey be like pigeonholing them
into a response, like a more ofan I gotcha moment.
And that's the way I honestlylooked at it from the fox news
(05:30):
perspective, because this iswhat cnn or msnbc or the abc,
this is what they do to trump,and I'm like you guys are doing
the exact same thing to kamala,and that's my original
impression yeah, well, shedeflected all of them right.
But now I don't have thatimpression because you just let
me know that she showed up 30minutes late.
(05:53):
They were supposed to bescheduled for an hour and then
she says oh, actually we'regoing to cut it short by 10
minutes, so you really only have20 to 25 minutes with me.
Like what in the world.
So all of a sudden, now I don'thave such a hard time with the
way Brett Baier acted duringthat interview because now I
(06:13):
understand the situation and Ithink this is a really critical
point for most people and I'm avictim of this too.
But we see a clip, instantjudgment, instant.
And it's either one way or theother.
And I've had people send meemotional responses before A
picture of Trump giving thethumbs up at the cemetery,
(06:36):
somebody saying this guy iscompletely horrible, shouldn't
be thumbs upping with otherpeople at a cemetery.
Well, were you there?
Do you know the situation?
Because if you knew thesituation, you may not be
responding in the way that theemotional pull is of that clip
or of that one photo.
(06:57):
And I'll be honest again, whenI was watching it last night I
was like why is Brett being theway he is?
Well, now I understand BecauseI know the situation and so I
think that's really critical.
Rachel Wagner (07:11):
Okay, all right.
So more content now.
Yeah, all right.
Well, right out of the gate shewas asked you know how many
people have been released intothe country?
What's the number, what's thenumber?
And she wouldn't answer thatquestion, she just deflected,
which I think is a littleannoying, because she obviously
has that information.
She's in the white house rightnow.
Jason Wagner (07:29):
And then do you know what that, what that number
is?
Is it like nine, is it like 9million?
Rachel Wagner (07:33):
I think he said six, but the estimates go up to
11 million.
I mean, the reality is, I'msure don't have an exact number,
they only have an estimate.
Jason Wagner (07:43):
But yeah, I've heard between six and eleven
right and and so when shedoesn't acknowledge that that
was a problem, I mean.
So she acknowledges and saysyou know what?
Our border is not perfect wellhere.
Rachel Wagner (07:55):
Here was my frustration with that, with what
ended up being.
Her answer is she's like okay,first, nine months I think is
what she said that her and joewere in office, they brought a
bill to Congress that theywanted to pass, and she's like
it didn't pass.
And he's like, well, sixDemocrats didn't vote for it and
the Republicans didn't vote forit either.
But what he was trying to sayis the very first thing.
Jason Wagner (08:13):
You guys did, so.
The bill wasn't good to beginwith if you didn't have your
Democrats voting for it, inwhich they controlled the House.
Yeah, yeah right, they controlthe house.
And so if you don't have all ofyour democrats, supporting it.
Rachel Wagner (08:27):
Clearly there's something wrong with it, right?
Well, I think his point was youguys reversed all of the trump
policy immigration policies whenyou got into the office, and
then you introduced this bill tocorrect the problem you just
created.
So that was that was myannoyance, is it was like you
guys created this problem now?
Now you're trying to blameRepublicans for not voting in
the two bills you have brought,because they brought another one
(08:48):
recently and they're trying toblame Republicans for not
approving that.
And it's like which.
Maybe that did end up gettingapproved.
I don't even know.
I don't think it did.
But the point is, the problem,to this extent, didn't exist
under Trump's administration.
It started because of thepolicy revisions that you guys
did, and then you try to solveit with it, with another
(09:10):
solution, right?
So you create a problem andthen you're trying to say, well,
I'm trying to solve it, I'mtrying to solve it, blah, blah,
blah.
Why'd you create it?
That that's the question.
Jason Wagner (09:19):
That's my question right, because they reverse
ownership for creating theproblem they reversed trump's
policy because they thought itwas racist.
Yeah, right, and that was thecatch and release or remain in
mexico policy, which was if wecaught them, we could detain
them, but instead they changedit to if we caught them catch
release.
Rachel Wagner (09:37):
We release them into the country yeah, and took
it even a step further, and withthe promise that they're
supposed to show up for a courtdate yeah, like seven years
later right and, in the meantime, free health care, free housing
, potentially free college.
Jason Wagner (09:48):
At one point she was on and so that's the thing
is that I was talking with youearlier when we were out for a
walk and we were talking aboutthis.
Why doesn't she just admit thatthat was a?
That was a mistake.
Rachel Wagner (09:59):
I actually think that she would gain a lot of
republican voters yeah, I meanthis, mean this is a problem
among all politicians though Iwill say it's not just her.
But politicians never want toadmit they're wrong.
They just like to spin it intotheir new future solution.
And I think so many politicianswould do better by just
acknowledging their mistake.
But the reason they don't dothat is because the media will
(10:20):
only play their admission oftheir mistake 500 million times.
So that's all people remember,Right?
Jason Wagner (10:25):
Right, but I said this about Trump too, when it
came to the vaccine stuff is.
Rachel Wagner (10:29):
I needed him to admit the wrongdoing Right and
he he didn't.
But what he did do is bring onRFK and Casey and Kelly beans
and right, because now that'sthe new way forward.
Jason Wagner (10:40):
Yeah, right, so it's a politician way, right.
Yeah, politicians don't admitit's.
You don't admit fault, yeah,although when we talk about
columbus day that just happenedkamala comes out and says well,
the fault is three.
Over 300 years ago was we stoleall these lands and I feel
terrible about that.
(11:01):
Okay, why does she admit faultfor the European settlers on
that perspective, but she can'tadmit fault on?
Yeah, shit, we should not havechanged that policy.
Well, in a politician way,right?
Rachel Wagner (11:20):
Yeah, and to create shame for white people.
Jason Wagner (11:22):
Well, yeah, and right to divide race yeah.
And to create shame for whitepeople oh, yeah, yeah.
And right to divide race cardyeah, yeah.
So in my opinion, I think thatshe would make a huge stride
forward is if she just said look, we overturned the Trump
executive order.
We didn't think that it wasfair, it has created a problem.
We regret doing that and youknow what we're going to take
(11:47):
executive action as soon as youelect me, or before you elect me
, to change that policy.
The border discussion would beover.
It would be over.
She has absorbed Trump'spolicies on no tax, on tips,
because it's a great idea.
Rachel Wagner (12:05):
Yeah, it's kind of funny.
It's a great idea, All right.
Jason Wagner (12:08):
Well, now Trump can't talk about that Shit.
She's doing that.
Well, she stole my idea, but itworks.
She could say the same thing.
I am going to admit that wescrewed up on the border and I'm
going to put in executive orderaction and go back to what
Trump originally had.
We're eliminating the policydiscussion.
(12:29):
Remember how we were justtalking?
Is that the reason that we havea lot of people who can't vote
for Trump is because they'reemotional about him?
Rachel Wagner (12:39):
Oh yeah.
Jason Wagner (12:40):
But when you talk to them about the policy, they
agree that the policies on theRepublican side make more sense,
and we have a lot of peoplethat are recognizing that used
to be Democrats.
Hey, I actually align with alot of the Republican policies,
but I still can't vote for Trumpbecause of the emotional
response, because I hate him.
He's a terrible guy.
(13:01):
Well, what if you eliminatednow that policy discussion?
Hey, I'm going to align witheverything that Donald Trump is
going to do?
You would win.
You would win a landslide,because nobody can vote for
Trump based off of hispersonality.
We're voting for Kamala basedoff of her personality, not her
policies.
But if she were to absorb theRepublican policies, she would
(13:25):
win.
Is that too far?
A little Too simplistic?
Rachel Wagner (13:29):
Yeah, I think it's a little too simplistic.
I get what you're saying,though.
I think in most policyinstances that is probably true,
with the exception of abortionand women's rights.
Jason Wagner (13:40):
Well, right, with the main exception.
But the biggest problems, thebiggest thing that people care
about for Trump is that it's theeconomy and it is immigration,
because immigration has caused alot of crime issues.
The crime was already startingbecause of the George Floyd
stuff and defunding other policeand like all of that whole
(14:06):
culture change that has occurredand so people care about their
safety.
The immigration stuff is highon that list because it impacts
their safety and people careabout their wallets.
And so if Kamala is able to sayI'm going to do, I mean she has
some housing policies where shesays, hey, I'm going to build 3
(14:26):
million homes, that's certainlygoing to help with the supply.
It's probably more like fourmillion, but if she can actually
build three million homes inthe next four years, like she
says she's going to, that willtotally help the housing market.
Like she actually has a fewpolicies that on the economy
could potentially help.
I'm not going to say they'renot bad ideas what's the plan to
(14:50):
actually build those houses?
Rachel Wagner (14:51):
just saying like, just saying you're going to do.
Jason Wagner (14:51):
That're not bad ideas.
What's the plan to actuallybuild those houses?
Rachel Wagner (14:52):
just saying like just saying you're going to do
that, does it mean crap?
Jason Wagner (14:55):
right, exactly.
Well, and to your point is Idon't believe that she has the
execution ability.
Rachel Wagner (15:00):
She does not.
Government does not currentlyhave.
Jason Wagner (15:02):
The government is very clear, but again, we're
talking about winning anelection.
Yeah, right, right, yeah, Idon't.
And and this is why I'm votingfor trump even if she were to
say all these things like, hey,I align with all the with all
the republicans.
No, I don't, and this is whyI'm voting for Trump even if she
were to say all these thingslike, hey, I align with all the
Republicans.
No, I don't actually believeyou, because we've seen that the
government does not have theability and you've seen it is
that you guys were supposed tobuild this whole network of
supercharters for electricvehicles and you built two.
Rachel Wagner (15:23):
You were also supposed to forgive all student
loans, right?
They also didn't do that, right.
Jason Wagner (15:27):
So you've promised a lot of things.
Your execution is awful isawful.
But again, my point here isthat if she wants to win in the
next 20 days, start absorbingTrump's policies and you will
gain a ton of voters.
Rachel Wagner (15:49):
Yes, let's talk about.
Where do you, where do youthink?
This where do you think we'reat?
We're 19 days out now from theelection.
Jason Wagner (15:53):
Yeah, yikes, I think tensions are high for a
lot of people.
Well, yeah, it totally is.
It is for people that areingrained in it right and people
that pay attention to it,because the stakes are high.
The stakes are so incrediblyhigh.
I believe that if the left wins, it is going to be extremely
tough to change anything thathas been happening that we don't
(16:14):
like over the last four years.
It's going to accumulate andget worse.
I think Elon Musk has a very,very valid point is that if we
give amnesty to all theseillegals that just came in and
migrated towards the swingstates, those states are likely
going to become a permanent blue.
Now, all of a sudden, there'sno more swing states.
Okay.
Rachel Wagner (16:35):
Simplistic.
Now, all of a sudden, we're asingle party system.
Jason Wagner (16:38):
Right, simplistic forecasting here, but that's a
real reality, and so do Ibelieve that this is the most
important election of ourlifetime, absolutely, because if
the left wins, I think the leftwill always win.
If the right wins, we have achance to go back to balance,
(16:59):
and so I think it's going to beextremely deflating with the
Democrats win, right, but aviewer who's voting Democrat now
is going to be like what do youmean?
It's going to be awesome, right, but I think, when you think
about America as a whole, it isjust going to be democratic for
the, for the foreseeable future.
Rachel Wagner (17:15):
So you've been having a lot of conversations
with people lately becauseyou've been very outspoken on
social media about things, andthere's people who do interact
with you on this topic, andthere's a lot of people who
you've had conversations withrecently who are not voting for
Donald Trump, and I just want toask you I think I know the
answer, but I'm curious whatyour perspective is is how many
of these people, when they tellyou that they're voting for
(17:37):
Kamala Harris, are doing sobased on her policy, and how
many people are doing so becausethey hate Donald Trump?
Jason Wagner (17:44):
Zero Zero are doing it based off of their
policy.
I mean maybe the abortionstance, right?
Yeah, I mean maybe the abortion.
Rachel Wagner (17:52):
Stance right, yeah, I mean I haven't even
really heard you talk about thatMuch as people talk to you.
But what I, it's thrown intothe.
Jason Wagner (17:57):
It's thrown into the mix.
Rachel Wagner (17:58):
It's mostly I hate Donald Trump, it's not the
number one.
Jason Wagner (18:01):
It's not the number one Reason.
It is I can't stand DonaldTrump.
That why?
Why are you voting for KamalaHarris?
I can't stand Donald Trump.
He's a horrible person.
Okay, that's literally the firstthing out of their mouth yeah
and then if there's areproductive right topic, it
gets, it does get thrown into.
That could be second, but thenumber one leading cause is that
(18:25):
I do not care for donald trump.
So what do we call that trumpderangeangement syndrome?
Right, it's just.
You have an emotional responsetowards how he is perceived to
treat women.
Now, you're a woman and you'regoing to be voting for Donald
Trump.
I've talked to plenty of women.
I see plenty of women at hisrallies.
There are tons and tons ofwomen that are voting for Donald
(18:49):
Trump, and I don't understandthe argument where I don't like
the way that he treats women.
Well then, why are all theseother people?
Why are all these other womenlooking past any of that miss
woman over here?
Why are you?
Why are you looking past theway that he treats women, or
(19:13):
what is the way that he treatswomen in your view?
Rachel Wagner (19:15):
Yeah, I don't believe that he is mistreating
women.
I think there have been severalwomen who work with him
currently, who work with himmore recently, especially within
his private-owned companies,that have praised him for how
he's treated women in theworkplace, how he's elevated
women up to high positions, howfair he is.
That's not just true for women,that's also true for minorities
(19:37):
and, from what I can see, myperspective of what has happened
is they did a lot of digging inhis past to try and find clips
or instances where he was.
Try and find clips or instanceswhere he was very distasteful
and something that he said.
You know, I think the mostcommon thing I hear is the whole
(19:58):
grab it by the pussies thing.
I mean, yeah, what an awful,terrible thing to say, right,
but my takeaway on that is onehe didn't know he was being
recorded.
That doesn't dismiss thecomment by any means whatsoever,
but let's also put intoperspective, like if you had a
camera on you at all times, howmany distasteful things have you
said, right?
Jason Wagner (20:22):
So I, you could say, we could say the same thing
about you.
Rachel Wagner (20:24):
Yeah, of course that's my point.
That's my point.
Right Is like any person in theworld.
Jason Wagner (20:28):
It's not just me, it's like any person in the
world.
It's not just me, it's anybody.
Rachel Wagner (20:30):
I wasn't saying you, I was just saying, like, in
general, any person, any personwho has a camera on them at any
time, like if you get caughtsaying something off the cuff,
or taken out of context, becauseI think some of the race things
and xenophobic things that theytry to say about him have also
very much been taken out ofcontext.
But with that particularcomment one, it was like 20
years ago or however many yearsago.
It was a long time ago beforehe was ever in the political
(20:51):
race.
He was younger.
He's always been a ladies man.
I mean literally like hisentire career in public.
Everybody's known this abouthim.
He's been married three times.
He's got kids from threedifferent moms, like it's not a
surprise that he likes women,and in sexually ways, right,
like.
So it's not that I like thatcomment.
It's not that I like thatcomment.
(21:12):
It's not that I condone thatcomment.
It's not that I think thatcomment is okay.
It's that I don't think thatone comment defines him as a
person or defines him as apolitician or a leader of this
country.
Had he said that while runningor had he said that while in
office, that's a much biggerproblem, right.
But he said this way the fucklong ago.
Right again, I'm not condoningit.
(21:34):
I'm sure I'm gonna get attackedby so many women for saying
this, but like I have heard somepretty crude things out of male
voices, male males, right menthat I know, I've heard some
pretty crude things about womenand about people and I don't
think that those things thatthey say define them as who they
are.
So there's that comment.
Obviously there's more recentones and what I would say about
(21:55):
that.
Jason Wagner (21:56):
What?
What's a more recent one?
Rachel Wagner (21:58):
He said something about Rosie O'Donnell.
What do you call her?
Jason Wagner (22:01):
Probably fat.
Rachel Wagner (22:02):
Like a fat pig or something.
Jason Wagner (22:03):
Yeah.
Rachel Wagner (22:04):
Yeah, very crude, awful thing to say, right, but
was that in response and defenseto something that she had said
or done about him?
Doesn't make it OK.
But I guess my whole thing isis like everybody loved Donald
Trump until he ran for president.
All of these people HillaryClinton, oprah, rosie O'Donnell,
all of these freaking peopleloved him, they adored him.
(22:26):
They didn't have any problemwith the things that he said,
right, they had no issue withhim being a ladies man prior to
him running for office and thesecond that he ran for office,
all of a sudden, attack, attack,attack, attack, attack.
And he has become verydefensive and very mean.
Back to these people, and Iguess my perspective is I would
(22:49):
be too.
I would be defensive too.
Right, they've attacked hisfamily, they've attacked his
children, they've attacked him,they've attacked his companies,
his career.
He just said the other day he'sbeen investigated more times
than Al Capone.
Jason Wagner (23:00):
I don't know if that's accurate, but if it is,
wow, right, and it probably is,given how many investigations
they have done and they haven'tfound anything, right yeah, all
the phony, the phonyinvestigations, right yeah, and
obviously, like I'm I'm missing,like that's why he has so much
traction.
Rachel Wagner (23:15):
Assault like wasn't there like an assault
case against him and an allegedrape and things like that, and I
don't know the facts of thatwell, yeah, he's a criminal in
some sort.
Jason Wagner (23:24):
Right, there is some ruling that he is being
criminalized, right, like he hasa civil like he's.
Rachel Wagner (23:30):
He's got a felony , he was found not guilty, but
then he's like yeah, yeah ormisdemeanor, I don't really know
the details.
Jason Wagner (23:37):
Okay, yeah, and so our critics here are going to
say well, you don't even knowthe.
You know the lawsuits againsthim because he's had so many and
so many have failed.
This is literally what hashappened to this man is that it
is a throw shit against a wall.
And see what sticks to thatcomment.
I've been investigated morethan al capone and he's still
(23:59):
likely to be our next presidentwith a felony charge.
It tells you that the americanpeople don to his point of
stature and how the system istrying to pull him down and find
(24:21):
a small little bookkeepingerror in a massive company.
Right, it's just.
These are the.
These are the crazy things thatwe spend so much time
discussing, that the left spendsso much time discussing, and
those things don't impact theeveryday person.
The things that impact theeveryday person is Trump's
(24:43):
stances on the border.
Rachel Wagner (24:45):
Right, and that's the point I was trying to get
at.
I think I went too much at theweeds on the details.
But, like you know, well you'reright Because the people that
that want to don't want.
Well, you're right.
Jason Wagner (24:52):
Right because because the people that that
want to don't want to vote fortrump is because he's a felon
right, they've classified him asa felon.
For what reason?
You ask anyone on the streetwhat's trump a felon for?
Rachel Wagner (25:04):
nobody, freaking knows, nobody knows yeah it was
it was yeah, and that's, andthat's supporting tax documents
because we've all recognizeddude there's been.
It's kind of like it wasbookkeeping in a business, the
things that were previouslymisdemeanors, not felonies.
Jason Wagner (25:22):
They were elevated right, yeah, right and it's
kind of like when you talk tosomebody and all they do is
travel and you ask them, oh,like you know how many vacations
have you been on?
Or like somebody asks you aboutthem and you're like, yeah,
they're like always going onlike all these vacations, like I
don't even know where they went, because they've been to so
many places.
Right, you know how many timeswe come across this.
(25:44):
I don't even know what trumphas been like gone after for,
because there's been so manythat nothing has actually stuck
and they're all old, right,they're all so old they're all
so old.
Rachel Wagner (25:58):
This is not something that he did last year
no right, and and so it wasdating back to like the stormy
daniels thing.
Jason Wagner (26:05):
Right, right yeah and so this is the thing it's
like, you know, the the tds, thetrump derangement syndrome.
It comes from these emotionalnarratives that has been pushed
by media, that has been pushedby the lawfare, by the Justice
Department, to go after him, toactually and frame him for the
documents down in Mar-a-Lago.
(26:26):
Remember the phony picturewhere they said, oh, we found
these top secret documents.
Like no, they actually placedthe top secret flag in front of
documents and it got leaked tosocial media.
That was a setup.
Rachel Wagner (26:39):
Well, and it's not a fair playing field.
So I mean, they're literallygoing after Trump for every
single little thing and diggingup every single little comment
and stuff in the history.
But look at all these otherpeople who've been in office.
I mean freaking, bill Clintonwas doing it with an intern and
he lied under oath to Congress,right?
Everybody still loved him.
Jason Wagner (26:56):
He didn't have sexual relations with that woman
.
What do you mean?
She was sucking your dickunderneath the table.
Stop it.
Well, no, I didn't have sexualrelations, because you know what
Fallatio, like that is notsexual relations because there's
no penetration, like okay, likethat is not sexual relations
because there's no penetration,like okay, like that is what we
were talking about is that whathe?
said, well, that, no, I thinkthat's what it is.
(27:18):
Is that that's what it camedown to for him?
Is that that's the reason thathe could?
He could tell the americanpeople on camera I did not have
sexual relations with that woman.
That is such an iconic momentbecause his definition of sexual
relations was penetration, notblow jobs yeah, yeah, we're
(27:39):
going out in tangents here, butthe point is that it's not.
Rachel Wagner (27:42):
It's not a fair level playing field, right, and
like the last election wherethey were trying to make trump
like this big racist.
It's like, look at joe bBiden's history of all the
racist things he's said and doneand all that was that's okay,
that's okay, that doesn't count.
Right, like is oh, you're ain'tblack If you don't vote for me,
and how he didn't want to mixblack and white kids in schools
(28:04):
and things like that was allreal footage of him saying this
stuff, but we just ignored it.
Right, it's not a fair levelplaying field and that's that's
why it's like I don't.
I don't hold a lot of credit ormerit to that, because I fully
believe that the media andanybody that you're going to
debate with could paint anegative picture of literally
anybody yeah, anybody out there.
(28:24):
We could make you look racist,homophobic, xenophobic, anything
you name it sexist you.
You could be painted in apicture of however the other
person wants to and in this bookthat I'm reading it's called
the parasitic mind.
Jason Wagner (28:39):
He says victimology.
I'm a victim because I amliterally.
If you, if you believe thatyou're a victim of something you
, you can paint to your point.
You can paint anybody into thatbox, you can, yeah, yeah.
Rachel Wagner (28:54):
And so they attack him on character because
they can't, on policy becausepolicies worked.
Jason Wagner (28:59):
Yeah, right, and so I think that overall
interview I will give Kamalacredit.
I think that she stuck up toBrett Baier in certain instances
where he was trying tointerrupt her.
Rachel Wagner (29:12):
Yeah, there was a lot of talking over.
Jason Wagner (29:14):
In which, I think, showed a little bit of strength
on her end.
But the reason Brett Baer wasdoing that was because she was
late and they were waving her tostop the interview because they
were over time.
At the end of the day, to yourpoint, that was not a fair
interview.
We actually didn't get a chancefor the Republicans to see what
(29:35):
she's like.
Rachel Wagner (29:36):
Yeah, I thought it was funny.
At the end she was like oh,I've got a lot more I could say
about Donald Trump and I couldshare it.
Jason Wagner (29:41):
Go to my website.
Rachel Wagner (29:42):
Why did your people just cut the interview
short?
Jason Wagner (29:44):
Why aren't you?
Yeah, you want to talk more.
Well, feel free.
Rachel Wagner (29:48):
Go out and campaign like Trump.
Jason Wagner (29:57):
Fuck anywhere and everywhere.
And that's, and that's thething about kamala is like she
doesn't give enough time and shedoesn't do enough interviews
for people to get a real sense.
Okay, you could, you couldwatch hours and hours and hours
of footage of trump talking, buthere's the other side.
That the left will say is likeI heard trump talk but all I
heard was rambling yeah becausethey?
there's again the trumpderangement syndrome, which is
anything this guy says isterrible.
(30:20):
And I can't even listen to it,right?
Because I'm just so emotionallyupset that this man is talking
that all he's doing is rambling.
Talk to me about his policy.
Please, if you're going toengage with political
conversation, stop talking abouthow terrible of a man he is and
(30:40):
how we're flipping the pagebecause of 10 years of this type
of behavior.
No, we care about what is hegoing to do for us?
Rachel Wagner (30:49):
well, the whole flipping the page thing, I think
is is such a stupid thing to besaying because you're already
currently in office like it'ssuch a bad argument to say
change is coming when you're anincumbent yeah you can't
criticize your opponent forstuff that's currently happening
when you're the one in officelike and I think that's a lot-
well, that's a lot.
Jason Wagner (31:08):
That's a logical thing, it's just it was, but
that's a lot.
Rachel Wagner (31:10):
That's the logical thing.
Jason Wagner (31:11):
It's just crazy, but that's the logical response.
You can't criticize youropponent for things that you
have done and the problems thatyou have created.
Well, you can, because DonaldTrump's a bad man.
Rachel Wagner (31:24):
All right, and now we're going to do better.
We're going to do better.
Now We've got a plan.
Jason Wagner (31:28):
We think that we'll do better Because the
execution probably actuallywon't happen.
But Donald Trump's a bad man,yep, and so that's.
We have to get past theemotional sense of this,
although I was listening to aTucker episode yesterday and he
was talking to a guest of hisand the guest said look,
(31:49):
elections are one.
The guest said look, electionsare one off of emotion.
They're one off of emotion 100,100 and so that is the strategy
yes, that that.
Rachel Wagner (32:01):
That is why I believe the majority of white
educated women vote democratic.
I think it is the emotionalpull strings on mostly women's
rights and abortion, but I thinkimmigration as well, and I
think it comes from theseparating kids from their
families.
You know the whole separatingmigrant children from their
(32:22):
families and then the whole lineof abortion and women's right
to choose.
I think it is that, that's whatit is every year.
Jason Wagner (32:30):
Yeah, yeah.
So you run on emotion and youwin on emotion.
Yeah, even if emotion isn'tlogical.
So, at the end of the day, thisis going to be a really tight
race, in my opinion.
Rachel Wagner (32:41):
I will keep talking about it, yeah.
Jason Wagner (32:43):
Yeah, this thing, this thing needs to go in one
direction in a landslide, andit's either left or right.
If it's really close, I thinkwe're going to have a lot of
trouble ahead.
I think it is going to bereally close.
My hope is that it's alandslide victory in one
direction, whether that's forKamala or whether it's for Trump
, because you know what?
I think we can get a lot moreclosure in landslide victories
(33:06):
than we can in something that'sclose.
Rachel Wagner (33:08):
Yeah.
Jason Wagner (33:10):
Right, it's just like getting your ass beat on a
football field by, you know, ateam that beat you by 50 points.
You get a lot of closure onthat.
Yeah, we sucked.
You do not get closure whenlast second field goal yeah
right, yeah, all right, cool,thanks for listening.
We'll talk more about this andwe'll catch you on the next
episode.
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