58. Walking Away From The Democratic Party with Adriana

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to another episode of the Real Life
Investing Podcast with Jasonand Rachel Wagner.
So I did a social media pollthe other day and I was actually
I was looking for people, or Iasked the question.
I was looking for people thathad maybe left the Democratic
Party and were going to beshifting to voting for Trump and

(00:20):
the Republicans, and we wantedto have them on the show to at
least kind of talk about thatprocess.
And I got connected because Ipost things online, People do
respond.
There's not a lot of peoplethat respond, but there are a
few and we got connected toAdriana, who is joining us today

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.
Yeah, yeah, thanks for comingand just to kind of talk about
this whole shift, because I meancorrect me if I'm wrong you
used to be a Democrat, right.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, absolutely, I grew up.
I'm 100% Mexican and I mean,that's how we, the neighborhood
we grew up in, it's like workingclass, we're all Democrats, so
it was like not even so.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
that's like.
It's kind of like neighborhoodmentality or, yeah, like a
middle class.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, it was kind of like well, we're middle class
and the Democrats do more forthe middle class.
So that was kind of thethinking.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Where do you think that stemmed from?
Where did that kind ofmentality kind of come from?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Well, I think that that back then it was like that.
You know.
You know I did see let's put itthis way that I see that I
align more with the RepublicanParty because they remind me of
the Democrat Party I was raisedwith and with the ideas that I

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thought were good, and now theDemocrat Party is just a
complete different party.
It's very radical and they dothings that no way during my
childhood would that have goneover well.
So I definitely felt like andmaybe I'll start with the fact

(02:04):
that I didn't vote for Trump in2016.
I just didn't really take himseriously.
I'm like he's not going to win.
My mom was sick at the time, soI really wasn't following too
much politics, so I voted forHillary.
Didn't like her at all, but Iwas like that's the most obvious
choice for me, being a Democrat.
And then she lost and I feltindifferent about it.

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I'm like, okay, whatever.
But I slowly started to seethat the way the media was
portraying him and my husbandwould say you know, that's not
true, though, and so I startedslowly.
I'm like this can't be all.
He can't be this horribleperson.

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So I really started doing myown research and just saying you
know what I really like thisguy and it grew from that.
So in 2020, I voted for him.
He lost.
I went to a rally shortly afterhe lost to DC.
It was like the MAG March, Ithink it was called in.
November.

(03:11):
Yeah.
So it was the one in Novemberand I went with two girls, two
friends of mine.
We got into the van at like 5in the morning, got there and
went to this march and we saw itwas the most patriotic thing
I've ever been involved in orbeen a part of, I should say.

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There was flags.
We saw blacks for Trump,latinos for Trump, israelis for
Trump, about 40 women fromVietnam.
They were dressed in thesebeautiful gowns that said
Vietnamese women for Trump,lgbtq for Trump, gays for Trump,
and I was like I just felt sogreat to be a part of that

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movement.
You know, even though you knowthe outcome remained the same he
didn't win, but it's.
I think.
At that moment I was like Idefinitely know that I'm voting,
I'm supporting the the rightperson, you know so, and then
during this administration, it'sbeen it's just more

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confirmation that we need himback, we need trump back.
Yeah, so I'm definitely aRepublican now.
Tell me, tell me about, like,when you voted for Hillary in
2016 and Trump came into office,like were you upset with that
outcome or were you just no,what what's funny is like I

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remember the thing that ringsout, stands out for me is how
she was denying the results,which is you know, you don't
hear that anymore.
Me is how she was denying theresults, which is you know, you
don't hear that anymore.
Right, but she was like shesaid he's not.
You know he's an illegitimatepresident and you know people
went on and on about that andyou know he must have cheated
the russia russia, russia thingoh totally so.

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that to me, is really kind oflike.
That was my initial reaction iswhen she, you know, when she
lost.
And then, like I said, I don'tthink I thought much about it,
but just being, you know, justdoing my own research, my stuff,
my husband would tell me and Iwould look and I'm like, yeah,
you know, you're right, thisguy's not a racist.
Yeah, you know, you're right.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
This guy's not a racist.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Can.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
I ask, when you say do your own research, where did
you look?
Because I think the hardestthing for people now is the
mainstream media that they mayhave trusted most of their life
is really, you know, quite notgood.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
How do I?

Speaker 4 (05:39):
want to say it.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
You can't trust it anymore.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
You can't trust it anymore.
Yeah, but how did you know that, or where did you look for for
your information on Trump?

Speaker 2 (05:49):
So I turned to a lot of like reading, searching stuff
up on the internet.
I started listening, you knowto Dan Bongino religiously.
I listen to him every day.
I'm a P1 listener, so I lovehim.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
He's, he's great.
I listen to him every day.
I'm a P1 listener so I love him.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
He's great.
I listen to Ben Shapiro.
I mean these guys.
And Ben Shapiro.
I mean he is so smart, the factthat he can just come back at
you really well, I went to aLincoln Day dinner and Charlie
Kirk was the speaker and I meanjust a lot of these things.
So I started following them andconfirming and and check and

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back, you know, like confirmingwhat they were saying to not
just saying, okay, well, if theysaid it, it's gotta be true.
No, like I would actually goback and say, all right, let me
look at the history in themiddle East, the way Ben and I'm
like, yeah, he's right, so,yeah.
So I think I started to, Idefinitely stopped relying on
mainstream media and I was justlistening more Megyn Kelly, you

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know, and yeah, that's prettymuch how it really confirmed
things, for me at least.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
So did you turn to Fox News?
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, okay, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
So you tuned into Fox News.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, love them all.
Sean Hannity, tucker, carlson,I mean yep, all of them.
I still watch Laura.
Ingraham, laura Ingraham, yeah.
So yeah, I do.
I just I really like them.
I think, and of course, peopleon the other side who watch CNN
think that it's allentertainment news, fox News,
and I'm like, okay, you know, goahead.

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Just, you know, do what yougotta do.
I'm this is what I'm doing.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah and well.
And then Ben Shapiro, cause hehas his own.
He's got a podcast too, right.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
And they're both on the radio.
Oh, they're on on the radio,but they swear, and they can be
completely much more raw whenthey're doing their podcast
versus having to be live on theradio.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, so, yeah.
So when you were a Democrat,were you watching CNN?

Speaker 2 (08:00):
I'm sorry, no, I never.
I was never CNN watcherer.
You know, I I did.
No, I did like in probably Igrew up watching abc news and
then you know it's cbs news, Imean a little bit of local news.
You know, wgn in the morningsbecause they make, they just
make me laugh, yep, and theystart my day off kind of light.

(08:22):
But no, I mean I don, I don't.
I definitely never watched CNN,yeah, and or MSNB like Rachel
Maddow.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
No, I don't.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
I can't watch it.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, so it kind of sounds like a lot of your just
initial like when you were partof the Democratic Party.
It was just like that's whateveryone around you was doing,
type thing, and that was justlike, just like the ideology, or
just like the the way that youknow, this is just how we vote,
right, Right, just collectively,this is how we do it.
And then it kind of sounds likeyou made the decision I don't

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know if there's other peoplethat are part of your family
that have also kind of followedyour footsteps but you made the
individual decision to actuallyfind other resources and listen
to other, more conservativeradio hosts or conservative
speakers, and you, really youmade that.
That change.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
I made that shift and actually one of my best friends
I was talking to her on the wayhere and it was the same thing
with her family.
She's one of six.
Everyone we were all grew up inthe neighborhood in
Wrigleyville and Wrigleyvillewas not what it is now.
It was all like family.
You know, my parents boughttheir house for $14,000.

(09:35):
Oh, wow, in Wrigleyville, likeright, yeah, it's crazy, but my
parents chose to live in thatarea, so all our neighbors were
were.
All my parents chose to live inthat area, so all our neighbors
were we're all working classpeople.
So so, yeah, it was just kindof normal for me and then I just
started.
You know I have one sibling thathe votes Democrat because he's

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always voted Democrat.
That was his.
That's his reason, you know,and he'll watch David Muir world
news and then he just listensto that and then he repeats
everything.
Watch David Muir World News andthen he just listens to that
and then he repeats everythingthat David Muir is like, dude, I
could have just called you andtold me what David Muir said.

(10:16):
So, based on that, it's like doyou ever bother trying to learn
something?
A lot of people are just eitherthey, they use too busy to do
the phone research or oh yeah, Ijust I don't pay attention.
It's too stressful, you know,and I too try to disconnect
sometimes, but I'm like I can'thave my head in the sand, like I

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need to know what's going on,you know, not just on a local
level, but kind of world, youknow, or other states.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
So where do you think that need to know what's going
on came from for you?
Is it from personal experienceswhere you're like you know why
is this happening, or I don'tlike that this is happening, or
was it something else?

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Well, I know I have some law enforcement in my
family and I have a lot offriends that are in law
enforcement, and when certainbig events happen, I remember
the Ferguson event and how theripple effect, you know, even in
Chicago, towards the police wasjust like it just wasn't right.

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I'm like you know, like theywere just demonized, you know,
and that to me I was like as achild we would never have this.
You know what I mean.
Like you held teachers at to ahigh level, you know you
respected them, you respectedpolice, firefighters and stuff
like that, and it just I justthat was a big time for me, big

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shift for me, that I was likethis something's not right.
It just it's a gut feeling Ihave.
It's just like I know what Ibelieve in and I'm not.
I don't waver, I'll die on theHill for that.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Yeah yeah.
It's like police officers areno longer respected.
Budgets are being cut.
Brandon Johnson is actuallycutting a lot of those.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, he is One officer in particular.
When he took the test manyyears ago, he took it at the
United Center.
That was how many people wantedto be in the department.
Now you're lucky if you canfill up a junior college, you
get 250 people.
When it was like 2,000, 4,000.

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I mean, fill up the UnitedCenter, you know that's like
thousands and thousands ofpeople, you know.
And then of course you know youmake one list, you make the
second, all these rounds.
But people wanted to be in thedepartment.
And now there's like why?
What incentives do they have?
Right.
And now there's like why?
What incentives do they have?
They're not, you know.
If they're at threat of beingambushed, they can't do their

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job properly because anythingthey do is just going to be
under, you know, a microscope.
So I mean and the other peopledon't?
Society doesn't respect themanymore, or at least not like in
big cities, in Democrat cities,I should say.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Do you think that that mentality towards the
police can change back?

Speaker 2 (13:15):
I think it is actually slowly changing back.
I think, as things arehappening and the crime rate is
they're starting because there'sbeen so many the democrats have
cut back.
People in neighborhoods arereally seeing that and like we
need more police.
There was some report thatrecently came out because

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brandon johnson took out theshot spotters yep so, and they
they rattled off.
Some numbers of these are thepeople that died.
If they would have had the shotspotters they might have been
able to get to that person andsave them.
You know, but I think brandonjohnson said it's like it's
racist, like to have that, andthe thing is, unfortunately they

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hear gunshots all time, so it'snot like they call every time
there's gunshots.
So police relied on those shotspotters to get to the scene and
potentially call an ambulanceor something, but that's not
happening anymore, right?

Speaker 4 (14:16):
And how ridiculous.
Because taxpayers paid.
That was the taxpayer expenseto have those put in.
It's great technology.
And then she's like we're notgoing to use them.
Right, yeah, absolutely yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
He also made an incredibly terrible deal because
he wasn't going to extend it.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
I mean, he only wanted it for a few more months
for the DNC Right.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
And so the deal was just really bad.
But which is really funny,because now he's come out and
said that you know he's going toraise property taxes 500 more,
something right.
It was like 300 million, yeah,yeah.
He wants to raise propertytaxes and try to cover the
shortfall that they have.
And you know he campaigned onnot raising property taxes, and

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so there he goes.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, no, and it's kind of funny because I think
everyone in Chicago saw thespeech when he was supposed to
go to the border but he didn't.
And he said to the press I havea family, y'all, we have soccer
practice.
I'm a black mayor with a blackwife trying to raise three black

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kids on the west side ofChicago.
His kids literally go to theschool one block away from me on
the northwest side of Chicagoand it's like Really, dude, no,
it's not good enough for yourkids, but you don't do anything
to improve those schools on thewest side who really deserve it.
But because you're just like,eh, I'll put my kids in a

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different school.
So it's just so hypocritical,so whatever.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
And you're a teacher.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
I am, yeah, I'm in education.
I'm not in Chicago, in thesuburb of Chicago, but I've been
teaching for 23 and a halfyears.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Is there anything that you've seen in the
education field that's kind ofchanged lately?

Speaker 2 (16:06):
I feel like how colleges have a lot of
professors who areindoctrinating people with
certain ideas and molding youngminds into believing it.
It's almost trickling down fromcollege to high school and then
down to an elementary schoollevel.
Now, where I work, it's notcompletely woke.

(16:28):
It's not completely woke andit's because there's a lot of
Hispanics and I know Hispanicsand some of that stuff wouldn't
fly with my parents or theparents in this district.
But I know plenty of teachersin CPS and they're just like we

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have to teach this and this.
And I'm like what I'm like withthe math scores and the English
scores that we have, likethat's the priority right now.
You know to teach, you know,like I said, critical race
theory and sex ed in a waythat's like wow it's.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
You know it's really inappropriate, like they're
really too young to you knowit's really inappropriate, like
they're really too young to youknow comprehend that and so yeah
, and those curriculum changeswere changed, like at the state
level, the critical race theoryand the sex ed stuff that was
changed by Pritzker right At thestate level.
So he's a gem Potentiallyimpacting schools across the

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state.
Obviously there's some variancein like neighborhoods and the
comfort level of teachers.
But, if you are kind of in amore woke area and potentially
have new, fresh teachers rightout of college, it's probably
being taught as written.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
And I have a friend whose son goes to Queen of All
Saints.
Whose son goes to Queen of AllSaints and she's like a lot of
these new teachers are getting24.
You know that they'recompletely left woke, you know
this, and that I'm like, well,as long as they don't teach your
child this.
But she's like, eh, they'retrying, you know, they're like

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trying to inch certain ideasinto them and she's like I put a
stop to it.
You know, and that's the thenice thing you have about when
you pay tuition, you actuallyyou get a say in what, how you
know what your, the kids arebeing taught, you know, or how
it's presented, you know.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
So yeah, At least more of a choice.
Yeah, yeah, and what we foundis that some of the private
schools, even if they receivesome type of subsidy from the
state, they still have acurriculum requirement.
They do Right.
Because if they want to getsome money from the state, they
have to have certain things thatare taught.

(18:50):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (18:51):
I mean, from what I remember, from no, I mean there
was nothing that ever stood outto us that was like you're
required to teach this, you know, and they whatever it was like
during sex ed, they got all thattalk.
But I mean there's stuff that Idon't, I can't, I don't even
want can say out loud in frontof people about how different it

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is than the public schools.
You know that it's just like no, you know, I don't need my
fifth grader learning how to puta condom on.
That's insane.
You know it's like it's notthat it's not a reality.
But keep that to high schoolLike fifth grade and sixth grade
, like, come on, you know what Imean mean it's I don't know

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there's a.
I mean I always thought thatthat kind of stuff should be the
parents should teach, thatschool should teach some form in
case the parents aren'tteaching.
But I mean to teach itresponsibly, not from an
encouraging kind of like oh,it's all very normal, and it's
like oh, no, it isn't so.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Yeah, it seems like overlap between what's at home
and what's in the school hasreally really blended,
especially in some districts andit it seems like there's some
people in the education fieldwho seem to think that there,
that there's some sort of like Ihate to use the word
entitlement, but kind of thatthat the educator has a little

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bit more of a pull or a say onthat child when it comes to
these more sensitive things,because of the state.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
The Chicago Teachers Union is just a joke, the stuff
that they you know.
So if a teacher comes indressed a certain way or you
know presents or shares, I meanI don't, you know like shares,
their lifestyle and their sexualpreferences, it's like it's

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celebrated, you know.
And not that those peopleshouldn't be teachers, but I
mean the union will back them up100%.
I mean there's been like hatespeech from Chicago public
school teachers on Republicans,on white people, straight people

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, christians, and they can saywhatever they want and they're
protected by their union,whereas in most other districts
if you say something like that,the union's going to really
they'll protect you, but they'llsay don't do it because we
can't protect you from.
The district ultimately has aright to get rid of you for

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certain things.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, interesting and it's hard on a high school
level.
A right to get rid of you forcertain things.
Yeah, interesting.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
And it's hard on a high school level I mean a
teacher in Palatine they have tohave a certain room set aside
for kids that want to come toschool dressed a certain way but
then they change at school tolike if they identify more as a
boy, then they have a room wherethey can put under just more

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and that's because it's a secretfrom their parents, right?

Speaker 4 (22:00):
yeah, so that that's like kind of what I was getting
at is like schools now noteverywhere, but it seems like
there's a trend now for schoolsto think that they can not only
allow but kind of foster secretsof students from their parents.
So we've got minors havingthese secrets at school with
teachers and administrators fromtheir parents.

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Parents have no idea thatthey're going by a different
name at school or change.
I didn't know this.
Um, that there there's a wholeclassroom or area probably not a
classroom but area where theycan change clothes yeah, and
dress like a different genderand their parents just may not
know.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Before going to school, they change back in the
clothes they left the house with.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Are you kidding?
That is insane.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Yeah, like I guess like where did that mentality
come from?
Because I heard you say likethere's your personal thought is
like there's things that shouldbe taught at home, and then
there's you know things thatshould be taught at home, and
then there's you know thingsthat should be taught at school.
And I think now it seems likewe've like really kind of
crossed some lines.
Where has that come from?
Like who's where'd thatideology come from, where school
can be a place where you hidethings from your parents?

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Right, I don't know.
I think it's with a lot of thismore awareness with you.
Know with trans and hormoneblockers and wanting to
transition.
Know with trans and hormoneblockers and wanting to
transition.
So they, you know you as theyfeel like, as a teacher, as an
education, you have to allowstudents to to be themselves
when it's like they don't evenknow themselves yet.

(23:26):
Right, they're still kids,Right it is.
But and I understand that thereis some homes where,
unfortunately, the parents won'tbe kind if they found out that
their child was doing this sothey have to hide it.
But at the same time, it's likeit puts teachers in a really,
you know, there's a lot ofteachers that feel very

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uncomfortable about that.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
I can imagine Like hey, if you're going to call my
mom or dad, you know make surethat you address me as like
what's on my birth certificate.
You know Make sure you don'tsay Oliver, say Olivia, because
that's my.
You know, and the teachers arelike okay, you know, and like I
said, that's a tough spotbecause as a a teacher, you

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don't ever want to break yourstudents trust.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
so they're in a tough position there yeah, and
certainly like like you saidbefore, like if, if there's
something happening in the home,you guys are mandatory
reporters, right?
So if they're in an unsafesituation like then, it's
certainly appropriate for schoolor administrators to step in
and make sure that child's safe.
But I just feel like we'vereally kind of blended the line.

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There's a big, big gray area.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Yeah, well, it's just two different worlds now, and
there's the at home world andthen there's the school world.
I mean, we were talking to afriend of ours just the other
day and they're just like.
You know, it's weird, mychild's in first grade and, you
know, I've still never met theteacher or haven't really
established a relationship withthe teacher.
We are required to just dropthem off at the door.

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We've never really seen theirclassroom.
And then when we pick them up,they're at the door and, like
you know, we never really knowwhat's going on behind the front
doors.
So, to me as, as she was kindof explaining that to us, I mean
, I was just thinking, thiswhole thing I'm like well, why
is it that way?
Now?

Speaker 2 (25:18):
and why are they not transparent?

Speaker 1 (25:19):
yeah, we understood that they were doing that during
covid for certain reasons andlike, okay, but we're a few
years after covid and why do westill have these policies in
place?
Are we trying to purposely?
Break that or make this.
This is a whole different worldthat you can't be a part of.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
I think the reason in education we don't allow adults
in because you don't know it'sbecause of mass school shootings
and stuff like that that reallywe don't encourage.
Like, if a parent drops off achild and says, you know, can I
walk them to the classroom, it'slike unless it's like a
kindergartner, that's bawlingand like for the first few days

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you know, fine, you can, youknow.
And then after that it's like,no, you really got to stop doing
that, because they need to likeknow that they're in school now
and they can't, you're notgoing to stay with them.
And it's worse when you come inand they drop down because now
they're bawling in the classroombecause you're leaving.
But I think for school safetythat's a big thing.
I'm lucky that in our school weencourage parents to come in.

(26:23):
We have opportunities for themto come in, visit the classrooms
, find out what we're learning,participate in math games with
their child and stuff like that.
So we're you know, for us wetry to do that, but it's I would
guess that that it's more of asafety.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
So it's more of a safety push yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
I believe that and that should.
I mean, it should be like that.
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Okay, you kind of wonder sometimes is it like it's
a safety push, but then theyalso can like hide behind or
like there can be other thingsthat start to start to occur
because, hey, we've got thiswall.
That's in place and the wall,the first wall, is safety Right.
And so then, then all thesethings can happen behind the
scenes type thing, which is likeokay, how many people know that

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there's another changing room,that if you, you know wanted to
come in, and that's a good point.
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
It feels, foreign for us because we have, like, full
transparency at our school.
We go all the way into theclassroom for drop off and pick
up and we see and talk to theteachers every single day and
there's they.
They have extra security at thedoors.
All parents have to wear abadge, and so you've got to, you
know, have visible ID at thedoors.
All parents have to wear abadge, and so you've got to, you
know, have visible id.
But it's, it's a smaller,smaller school.

(27:35):
There's not as many studentsand parents there, so there it's
a little, probably a littlemore easier to manage.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
But you know, I think what was crazy is during covid,
seeing these virtual classrooms.
Like they had like all theseemojis, like it was.
It was.
It was cool, but it's like yousaw, so they have.
You can like jazz these upreally well and you and there
was a lot.
I was surprised.
It was a lot of blm stuff inthe background, like you can put

(28:04):
like a banner, blm banner andyou know, and they can, they'd
have pictures of like obamathere, but there was no trump
and it's like he's actually thesitting president, but there's
like no way.
So that to me it was like youknow, and I actually asked the
union about it like isn't thatwrong?

(28:26):
They're like, uh, it's theirclassroom, they can kind of do
whatever they want.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
I'm like, yeah, so that that's interesting too, I
think, is the current events andthe political time, like what's
allowed to come into theclassroom and what rules are
around facilitating conversation, cause in theory it should be.
If you're going to talk aboutit, you should present both
sides evenly and fairly andallow open, fair and, you know,

(28:49):
respectful conversation.
But you do see a lot of clipsof of of teachers being very,
very one-sided and not havingopen, fair and conversation, and
I guess I'm curious are thererules you know for educators, or
maybe just in your area,surrounding that?
Or like because you've been ateacher now through some pretty,

(29:10):
pretty volatile times where Idon't know what grade you're
teaching, but students may havequestions because of things
they're seeing on TV, thingstheir parents are talking about,
what's just happening in theworld.
I mean, they've lived through alot right.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
That's funny.
You say that because I had twostudents today One is from
Columbia, the other one's fromVenezuela and they said teacher,
who are you voting for ontuesday?
And I said, wow, yeah, you knowthey're.
They're sixth grade, so they,you know, they know what to ask
and pretty insightful when itcomes to stuff.
And I said I I'm not going todiscuss that with you.

(29:47):
And they're like well, well, wehope you vote for Harris.
And I said Michael, why is that, tell me.
I'm like maybe that'll help medecide, you know.
And they said well, because ifTrump wins, we're going to get
sent back to our country.
I said that's not necessarilytrue.

(30:08):
I said there's a certainresponsibility that we have to
have for not families, butpeople.
I said you have to understandthere's a lot of people that are
entering that want to do a lotof harm.
I said I'm not talking aboutyou guys.
I said there's people coming infrom the Middle East, from
other countries, that we don'thave good relationships with.

(30:30):
I said and as long as you'renot committing a crime to me
that's kind of how I understandit with the rollout will be.
Is that hey, if you commit acrime and you're not, then
absolutely you know what I mean.
I'm like I don't envisionpeople going door to door and
going, okay, your family isgoing back immediately.

(30:53):
Like no, I don't.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
I don't see that happening.
Yeah, definitely, I thinkthey've.
Both Trump and Vance have saidmultiple times that the priority
is getting the criminals out,cause we we know who they are
Like, we know which not all ofthem but we have a nice long,
hefty list of criminals who havecome into the country and then
people who aren't contributingcontributing and assimating
right like, obviously, if you'rea family, that's come in, your
kids going to school, you'reworking that's it how I look at

(31:19):
it.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
With my students I'm like you know what these, these
kids are, you know they're.
If their parent parents areputting them in school and
registering them in school, thenthat tells me that they really
are one that generally generalthey're, genuine, I should say,
in wanting their kids to have abetter life, be educated.

(31:41):
So I mean those are actuallysome of my favorite kids because
they're the most respectful andhumble.
You know, the ones fromColumbia are just, you know, if
I ask them something, si, señora, and you know, maestra,
profesora, I mean they're sonice, you know, and they'll
correct the other kids.
If they speak to me in the toform, you know they'll like

(32:03):
correct them.
You know you have to speak inthe usted form.
She's a teacher, you know.
So it's really cute.
So I mean I love those are myfavorite kids actually, because
I really think they appreciatethings much more than a lot of
the kids that are born here.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
So can I ask, have you seen a lot of increase in
that type of student over thelast few?

Speaker 2 (32:24):
years.
I have 16 in my classroom outof 25 that are all comers.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
Yeah, 16 out of 25.
Wow.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Some of them were here for fifth grade, but I have
eight that just came to thecountry, like in spring and
summer, so they just got hereand they speak zero English.
In sixth grade, mm-hmm, andhalf of my instruction is in
English.
So it's like, well, this isreally cruel.

(32:55):
These kids don't understandanything.
So of course I translate.
I translate everything for thembecause I'm like I need them to
learn to be able to comprehendsomething.
But you're able to.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
I'm able to.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yeah, there's instructors who I'm sure aren't
no no, I mean, you put me inthat position.
There's no way.
There's no way.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
So I guess, if they had a teacher who only spoke
English, how are they teachingkids who don't speak English?

Speaker 2 (33:24):
So they have in most buildings.
I'm only one of three that doesit by themselves.
Most other buildings havesomeone who does English and
then someone who does theSpanish, and that's what.
When I started out, that's howit was it was given a different
name, other than dual, but Itaught in English.
I had a teaching partner.
He was teaching in Spanish.

(33:46):
We'd switch during the day andthen he would give that
instruction to my kids inSpanish and I would give his
students instruction in English.
But the goal was different.
It was to get them out of thebilingual program to be able to
be in a general education class.
Now the goal is to maintainthem speaking both languages,

(34:09):
being able to read it and writeit and speak it very well.
Well, that works when you startin kindergarten with the two
languages.
But these kids are just comingand they're like expected.
It's not a best, you know.
It's just kind of like thegovernment.
They weren't prepared toaccommodate, you know, and so

(34:31):
it's carrying into education.
Yeah, to accommodate, you know,and so it's carrying into
education.
They're not prepared to be ableto give these kids the best
education.
So you are grading them, I meansixth grade, you give out letter
grades, right, we give out no,we're standards-based.
Okay, so which is four is thehighest, one is the lowest.
And to our parents, they don'tunderstand that.

(34:52):
They see, you know, okay,they're not failing.
We can't fail them.
Okay, all right, you can't failthem, you can't fail them.

Speaker 4 (35:01):
No, we're just not allowed to.
So how?
I guess I've heard this inother places too.
But how is that helping them?
It's not, so why are we doingthat?
Like what's the goal?

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Numbers.
I mean you have to like schoolsget more money if they have
more minorities, if they havemore kids in special education.
That's interesting, oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
They get more money.
Even if they have kids more inspecial education, they get more
money.
If they, even if they have kidsmore in special education, they
get more money yes, the schooldistrict does okay.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
So, you know, federal title one is for, like, lower
income areas.
Title three are bilingualfunded, you know.
But so yeah, I think, I thinkit's.
It's maybe a if you, if you youfail kids and you're like, well
, then you're not doing a greatjob, so you may not get as much

(36:00):
funding.
Don't quote me on that, I'm notsure, but I have.
I mean, from what I've talkedto about other people's, it's
really about the numbers and whoyou have.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
So when students are arriving here from other places,
we're just basically placingthem based on age.
Yes, there's no like placementtest.
So even if they were, whereverthey came from, not going to
school there, they're gonna comein at sixth grade because
that's their age exactly it's ahard job for you and educators
well, I mean, thank god, my, the, my newcomers are Hispanic.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
But other school districts like Skokie, where
there's like 20 languagesrepresented or something crazy,
Wow.
Then it's like well, what areyou going to do if you have all
these people that are comingfrom some country in Africa?
As long as you have more than22, then you can hire a teacher
that speaks that language.

(36:54):
But if you don't shy of 22,then you know it's like well,
how are we going to serve thesekids?

Speaker 4 (37:04):
So we've heard of a lot of school districts, even in
our area, that seem to be likeovercrowded and so they've got
kids in like these moduletrailers or whatever Is your
school?
District experiencing that atall, or do you know, like what
the root cause of that has kindof been?
Because overall, like birthrates are down in America, so

(37:25):
you would think that you know,classrooms would be getting
smaller, but now we've got thisinflux of migrants coming in, so
is that, I guess, is thathaving an impact on class sizes,
you think?

Speaker 2 (37:36):
That I know for CPS they really, if they don't, if
they don't have to hire anotherteacher, why not just keep
giving her?
I mean there's some CPSclassrooms with like 36 kids,
you know, and it's just likethere's no.
I mean how?

Speaker 4 (37:51):
do you teach them?
I know you can't money it'ssuch a disservice to the
students I was told, I tellsometimes.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Well, I tell my the teachers that I have friends
that have those situations.
I'm like the only way it'sgoing to change is if you talk
to the parent and say and theygo to the school and say, hey,
my kid's not teaching becausethere's 35 other kids in there,
you know, and they have to putup a stink with the school
because, if not, they're like,hey, we're just having to pay

(38:23):
one teacher, you know, for yeah,they think they can get away
with it.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
You know, and a lot of like, a lot of kids, parents
who are migrants.
I mean, when I started in thedistrict 20 years ago, you know,
parents were very scared andthey were like I had a lot of
newcomers then, but I meannothing like now, but parents
were afraid to go to the officeand complain or something

(38:48):
because they were afraid of thatthey would be deported.
Or, you know, I have to show,I'm like no, you don't have to
show anything, but you have aright to say something If your
child isn't.
You know, whatever is beingbullied, whatever it is, you
need to complain about this.
But they're scared to becausethey feel like you know that the

(39:11):
school is going to callimmigration on them.
It's like no, no, no, where wewould never do that.
So I don't know, I mean?

Speaker 4 (39:19):
what's the response from the other families who have
lived there and they're bornhere and they're part of the
community?
Are they welcoming or open orfrustrated or?

Speaker 2 (39:31):
there there is a little bit of both.
There's some families thatreally are unaware of, like
other students that are comingin, but there is some, you know,
strong feelings from someparents about certain kids from
a certain country that they'renot very happy about how things

(39:52):
are going, you know, but yeah,it's like something that I can't
really you know what I mean.
Yeah, yeah, so, but yeah,because they just feel like they
came here and didn't get muchwhen they came here and they
worked hard in this and thenthey're seeing some families
that are getting like a lot ofthings to like and they're like,

(40:17):
wait a minute, we never got anykind of help on that.
So I think that's the part thatyou know infuriates them.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
Trump's kind of had some interesting things that
he's mentioned around education.
Like he's kind of tossed aroundlike getting rid of the what is
it?
The board of education ordepartment of education and then
he's tossed around like theschool choice certificate
program.
Do you have any thoughts on onthat with his I.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
so school choice is basically like if you, they'll
pay for your child to go toCatholic school, right, If you
opt to have that?

Speaker 4 (40:56):
Yeah, it's like everybody gets the same dollar
amount based on your taxes forthat area, and then you take
that ticketed dollar amount towhatever school you want, right?

Speaker 2 (41:05):
So that's what they no child left behind.
I think that Milwaukee wasdoing that.
I think that Milwaukee wasdoing that and a lot of the
parents were opting to go toparochial schools with that
school choice certificate.
So I think, why not?
I mean, I personally think it'sa great idea to give the parent

(41:28):
a choice.
If their local school is notdelivering, then they should be
able to go to another school.
You know, I mean I paid, wepaid taxes for our local schools
and we didn't even send them tothe public schools, you know,
but we paid it.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
So I mean a lot of our tax dollars goes towards the
public schools.
And if you don't evenparticipate in the public school
.
It's like and if you?

Speaker 4 (41:53):
don't even participate in the public school
.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Yeah Right, you're paying double, right, that's
where the school choice reallydoes come into play, because
we're paying into that, and thenwe still have to pay tuition.
So I wanted to ask youmentioned you gave a really
interesting stat.
You said 16 out of 25, Ibelieve, is the newcomers in
your classroom.
Do you think you could quantifyhow many are in the school that
maybe came?

Speaker 2 (42:16):
In the school together.
Mm-hmm.
If I have to give a guesstimate,we're talking in our school.
We're a smaller school, but weprobably have somewhere around
60.
But, like I said, we're a smallschool.
I work in a big school district.
Our junior high has like 3,000students.

(42:41):
So there's a lot in ourdistrict and primarily they're
coming from Latin Americancountries, our Spanish-speaking
countries, I should say, becauseour school district is much
more the.
The community itself isdefinitely more hispanic.
So I think it's easier for themto move there than if they were

(43:02):
to move to another area whereperhaps it was more of a indian.
You know what I mean an indianwhere they didn't, couldn't
assimilate so how did they find?

Speaker 1 (43:14):
like how I would just imagine, like I wouldn't even
know where to go if I was aimmigrant coming in, like how do
I, how do I find these schooldistricts?

Speaker 2 (43:23):
or like what back in back in the day.
Like I said, when I started 20years ago in this district.
It's interesting because youhad and even actually when I
taught in Chicago, there was alot of kids from the same part
of Columbia that would come anda lot of kids from the same part
of Mexico.
So what I think would happen isthat they had family members

(43:46):
that were already here, and sothey were like if you come over,
you're going to stay with usuntil you get on your feet and
this and that.
So they knew like if you comeover, you're going to stay with
us until you get on your feetand this and that.
So they knew that way.
My father didn't know where helived in California.
I heard that there was morework in Chicago and he either
could move into a little villageor Pilsen like a Mexican

(44:08):
neighborhood.
And he's like I didn't leaveMexico to go live in a Mexican
neighborhood.
So he just like, initially hadhis own little apartment and
then, when he went back andmarried my mom and they came
together, they found an areawhich was Wrigleyville.
They're like, yeah, this isnice.
It's not that they didn't wantto be around Hispanics at all,

(44:30):
but it's like they're like.
I don't want that to be.
Like I want my kids to bearound Hispanics at all, but
it's like I don't.
They're like.
I don't want that to be like Iwant my kids to be born American
, you know what I mean.
I mean, you know, with English,as Americans, and you know I
don't want that stereotypicalkind of lifestyle, you know, but
it and I think a lot of peoplefrom that generation had the

(44:51):
same mindset, you know so, anddefinitely like working hard.
I mean, I think if my parentswere alive today they would be
absolutely so sad about what'sgoing on.
You know Really, I definitelythink so, really.
I know that, like my mom wouldbe beside herself with certain

(45:12):
states with their abortion lawsand their term limits, I mean my
mom would just be like like, oh, my father, you know, you know,
father, you know, she would dolike crossings.
She would say, you know, hailMary, you know, because she
would just be like this is awful.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
So that's an interesting point.
So you said you're 100% Mexican, mexican and most Mexicans are
very Christian, is?

Speaker 2 (45:37):
that correct Catholic Catholic.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
Christian, yeah, and so abortion is really not
something really supported inthat community.
Is that a fair statement?
Absolutely so it's interestingthen to hear, like you kind of
have, like this, unwrittenunderstanding in the community
that you vote democratic and nowthe democratic party is like
completely so far yeah and sothat was probably like a real

(46:02):
internal struggle for, or, Iwould imagine, for some people.
Knowing that I mean kamalaharris.
I feel like most of hercampaign has been so far around
abortion, abortion, abortion,women's rights, women's rights,
women's rights, women's rights,women's rights.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
I guess I don't know exactly where my question is
going, but but yeah, no,absolutely For Hispanics it is
definitely not something that is.
You know, if your daughter camehome pregnant, like it was like
okay, but you're pregnant andyou're going to have this child,
you know, I tell my daughterbecause my daughter is much more
liberal, she's you know, I tellmy daughter because my daughter

(46:36):
is much more liberal, she's youknow, I got a piece of
something in the mail and it wasfrom some pro-life organization
and she's like Mom, you're notdonating to this, are you?
I said I don't know, I haven'teven opened it.
Well, have you donated in thepast?
Why are they sending you this?
I go, I don't know how I got it.
I go, but I get tons of stuff.

(46:58):
I go, I get stuff from StJude's.
I I do donate every month tothem.
And I said I know I probablywon't send them any money.
I said, but I'm not going tosend money to a pro-choice
organization either.
And she was like well, you know, please tell me, you're
pro-choice.
I said you know, that's reallythat's been an internal struggle
for me because I did considermyself pro-choice, you know, and

(47:25):
I'm like I told my daughter Ihad friends in high school that
got pregnant and I even wentwith them, you know, but they
were like 12 weeks, nine weeks,12 weeks ago.
I can't, I can't, you know.
Like if I had the same thing,if I had to choose today based
on what I'm seeing, I'm like Ithink I'd have to say I'm pro
life, just because of theradical, you know, being able to
abort a child at 28 weeks, youknow, in seven States, it's like

(47:49):
four, no, no questions asked.
You know, you can go right upto the very end and I have a big
problem with that.
I don't know if it's because ofbeing older, having had children
, like to me, kamala hasn't hadany kids, right.
So I honestly, I'm like I don'tthink she knows that like you

(48:12):
start to feel that movement at20 weeks, you know.
So I can't fathom myself beingin that situation and saying you
know, at 30 weeks, you knowwhat?
I just can't afford another kid, I'm going to terminate it.
I just can't.

(48:32):
To me it's like it's not yourbody anymore, you know.
It's like you know, and peopleare like well, that's their
business, they have to answerfor those.
No, no, but I mean, I think wehave a right as humanity to say
you know what there's.
It's not just your life anymore, so, but yeah, I don't know if

(48:57):
that's something that will besolved at any time you know,
yeah, yeah, I guess I guess yourwhole point was you know,
mexican community is verycatholic.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
The left mexican community votes historically
with the democrats democrats arejust pushing abortion.
Is there a crossroads that youthink that maybe some people
that you know that are like am Imore?
Are they giving up on theirreligious beliefs more?
I guess, that's, that's whatwe're trying to say, right yeah

(49:25):
because, well, if I'm, if I'mgonna vote for the democrats,
who, just you know, is is allthe pro-choice stuff, but it
goes against my belief in thereligion.
Do you think that people aresaying, no, I want to take my
religion, I'm going to vote?

Speaker 2 (49:41):
yeah, I definitely think so.
Yeah, I think it's interestingso you think the religion has a,
has a, has a stronger pull, andI think even talking about
religion is so taboo, you know,it's like even mentioning, like
you know I mean they likewhenever trump or jd vance says
anything about jesus or christ,and you know, people are like,

(50:04):
oh my god, you're, you knowyou're, you're just gonna
convert every.
It's like no, it's, it's notthat.
But I so no, I I think, and Ilove it.
Ronald reagan said thathispanics are republicans.
They just don't know it yet.
Yeah, and it's true, becauseit's like you know when, really,
when you think about it, it'slike we really align more with

(50:28):
the republicans of today thanthe democrats.
You know, like I, that shiftfor me was like Republicans now
are like my Democrats that werefor the working class.
You know, what I mean.
So, yeah, I mean so and I thinkreligion does play a role in it
.
I know I've I can't tell youhow many Hispanics I've talked

(50:51):
to that said that, have told methey pretty much know how I feel
.
But they've come up to me andthey're like, yeah, we got to
vote differently, we can't dothis anymore.
And I'm like, yeah, I've beentelling you that.
And they're like, yeah, I'mdone, this is just getting out

(51:15):
of control.
And you know, on severaldifferent, the prices of
groceries, gas, rent, this massinflux of, you know and I don't
think any of us have a problemwith immigrants coming in and I
really try to stress that Idon't have a problem with them
it's that we don't, they're notvetted.
There's no one to sit there andgo wait.

(51:35):
You know, oh wow, you're wantedin your country for like murder
.
You can't come.
You know there's nothing.
That's the biggest problem Ihave with it.
So, yeah, I think a lot ofpeople are very frustrated about
that and, like I said earlierwith you, with Mexicans, they're
like we didn't get anythingwhen we came here and they're

(51:59):
proud that they didn't getanything.
It's not like they're saying Iwant reparations.
You know what I mean, or?
retro pay or whatever.
Because of this they're not,but it's like you know, they're
just like this isn't right.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
So yeah, you post a lot online.
Do you get good comments?
I mean, you post prettyregularly.
Mm-hmm.
It takes a lot of courage to dothat.
What's kind of the feedbackyou've gotten.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
So the person that put us in contact, I kind of
called her.
I said you know, do you thinkthis is?
You know, should I not do thisBecause, you know, am I putting
myself at risk out there?
She's like with the stuff youpost on Facebook, I don't think
you could get any, you can't,you know?

(52:55):
I think it's pretty obvious.
If you posted that and nobodysaid anything to you, I think
you'll be fine you know, and, ifyou notice, I don't put
anything that's really false.
I fact check everything before Iput it on there.
I don't put anything that'sracist because I'm not.
I don't put anything that it'sagainst.
I'm not homophobic.
I don't post anything againstLGBTQ community.

(53:18):
To me it's like do your thing,you know you deserve to be
treated equal.
Don't make me, put me in anuncomfortable place where you
know I have to.
It's like it's always in our,in our face a little bit too
much.
It's like you know what.
You're almost calling moreattention to people, that people
are like enough already I saidjust be like, just come on, man,

(53:41):
just all, we're all the same.
So I don't think I put anythingunder there that's wrong or
inflammatory.
I mean you tell me.
I mean I don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
No, no.
Well, I think that we're justsuch in a day and age now, where
you can't, everyone has tochoose a side, but you can't
publicly choose a side.
Right, and it's just.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
People are fearful.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
People are so fearful because there's just so.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
there's so much division, right, there's so much
division, and like, forinstance, I can never put a
Trump sign up on my lawn where Ilive, you know, maybe now it
would be better because I haveseen them and I'm like I always
want to be like you're braverthan I am.
You see him in Chicago, uh huh,in my neighborhood.
I've never seen it until justrecently walking around and I'm

(54:30):
like I haunt it yet.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
But yeah, because I'm still like you know what?
They could easily throw bricksat my front window.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Have you heard of that actually happening?

Speaker 2 (54:41):
I've heard of them like either trashing the signs,
like grabbing them and likebreaking them in half and stuff
like that, but I just don't putit past it.
I mean, just the way the hatredin this country or in the city
towards Trump supporters is soscary that it's like I'm not
going to.
You know, I'm not going to putanyone myself.

(55:04):
Actually, my kids are not evenhere, so it's probably a good
time to do it, but no, but I'llhave a JD Vance one in my lawn
in four years, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
I kind of want to go a little deeper on this, because
Rachel said the same thing tome before I put out we have not
just one, but we've got twoTrump signs and a flag, so three
items out there.
And rachel said this to meshe's like I'm terrified that
you had put that out there.

(55:37):
Somebody might throw a brick ather or egg our house or
something, and the reality is,is that that that hasn't
happened?
And if we were in the city,would I have done, done this the
same way?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I probably would have gottenthe confidence to do it
eventually.
But I also wonder if there's apotential fear buildup and I

(56:01):
think this is a big thing that'shappening within this election
cycle.
Is that there is a fear buildupthat happens in our heads that
we think that there is going tobe a certain outcome?
Because potentially it comesfrom mainstream media in which
right now we are seeing so muchfear pushed from the left, as

(56:21):
we're just days away from theelection.
There is just so much fear ifthe republicans get in.
You know world World War III isstarting, or you know
everybody's getting deported andyou know this is Nazi Germany.
I don't, I don't know.
I part of me just wonders well,what's, what's?
The reality, you know, is there, is there just like this.

(56:42):
There's so much fear that'sbuilding up in our heads that we
can't like publicly say whowe're supporting, or yeah, I
think it's a perception of thepeople.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
I mean, I hear it from my family most.
I'm like there's a greatdivision in my family.
Now.
I have four like four niecesand nephews and a sister-in-law
who is our trump supporters.
We're like the only ones.
The rest it's like oh my god,he's vile.
I mean just the things thatthey say, you know, and it's

(57:14):
funny because they'll look at me, they'll be like he, like his
supporters are like whitesupremacists, and I'm like well,
so am I a white supremacist?
Like is my husband?
Oh well, no, not you guys.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Well, right, are we excuse?

Speaker 2 (57:30):
me where is this.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Where is this mindset coming from?
Right it's.
It's because that's themessaging, and that's the
messaging that everybody isbeing exposed to.
Is that, oh, nobody here is atrump supporter, even though
you're sitting here at thistable.
We think that you're on ourside because we don't look at
you guys as white supremacists,but every other trump supporter
is a white supremacist, right.
But you're on our side becausewe don't look at you guys as
white supremacists, but everyother Trump supporter is a white
supremacist, right.
But you're like well, no, I'm aTrump supporter.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
Well, yeah, I guess, I guess.
I want to ask you, like, as youwere kind of well, that was
kind of a racist comment that hesaid, or maybe that was a
little offended by that, becausethere was a lot of rhetoric

(58:15):
back.
I don't.
I don't want to say rhetoric.
There was a lot of media aroundhim saying that you know, all
Mexicans are rapists and what'sthe.
Thing that CNN says all thetime.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Yeah, he that he called a racists and murderers
and I think I was talking to youabout the other day.
It's like actually go back andlisten to that speech, because
he never used the word Mexicans.
He said Mexico is not sendingtheir finest and at the time
that was true.

(58:47):
It's like you know.
I mean it's.
Yeah, I mean the ones who wereleaving and coming here.
Yeah, you had a lot of cartel,a lot of gangs.
I have tons of family in Mexico, more cousins there than I do
here, and they all love Trump.
I'll tell you, they love him, Imean, and.

(59:09):
But they also all have.
They're educated, they'reengineers, they're, you know, in
finance, you know.
So they never want to come here.
Why would they?
They have everything.
They, you know they have whatwe have, but just there in their
own country.
So it's like, no, I mean so,but they love Trump.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
See, trump see, and I just I find this so interesting
.
Something similar just happenedwith puerto rico too.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
You know, like the a lot of media just came out.
The senator, oh there's.

Speaker 4 (59:38):
Yeah, though, you know they're this.
They're so offended by thiscomedian who spoke at trump's
rally or whatever, and then,like the next day, was it the
president of Puerto Rico?

Speaker 2 (59:47):
The senator who is a shadow senator.
I think that she doesn't haveany power, but she doesn't have
any like she's a senator, but Idon't think she does any
participates, you know, is anactive participant.
It's almost by, like I thinkthey called it a shadow senator
or something, but yeah, she cameout and endorsed him.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
Yeah, yeah, and I just I've had this, like we've
talked about this before where Ijust feel like these, like
white liberal women tend to bethe most offended group of
people and it's like they'respeaking for all of these other
groups, even though there'speople in those other groups who
are like wait a minute, likeyou just said, like I'm not a

(01:00:32):
white supremacist and I supportTrump, so like what the left is
saying is is not reallyrepresentative of everybody in
the group.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
And no, and actually on my Facebook posts, most of
the people that either like itor comment are women and I'm
like some of the guys a coupleguys, friends of mine will say
something or comment, but it'salways like the same five that
are like will comment on it.
And it's kind of funny becauseit's like well, trump is

(01:01:05):
supposed to be such a pig andeverything, and it's like no,
because, yeah, he's sexist.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
He's racist, he's all these things.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Yeah, I mean that's the thing and don't get me wrong
I mean he doesn't have.
He's funny, I think Trump isvery funny, but he doesn't have.
He's not polished, no, in hisspeech.
I agree, and I, you know, Itell people that, yeah, you're
right.
And sometimes you see thatstuff and you're like, oh, dude,
you shouldn't have said that.
Yeah, but it still doesn't takeaway from his policies.

(01:01:39):
And I tell people I'm like,listen, is it?
You either have to like aunivote for the love of country
or you're going to vote forhatred of man, like what is your
meter?
You know, because I love mycountry and if Joe Biden would
have done an amazing job, youknow I would be kudos, I would

(01:02:00):
give him credit, but he didn't.
But it's like, ultimately, Ifeel like we're such a target
now and if Kamala wins I meanit's going to be open season I
really think that we're reallylooking at really bad times.

(01:02:21):
I think there's going to be alot of civil unrest within the
city if… If Kamala wins, yes, Ithink there's going to be a lot
more of Trump wins in certainareas, but I really think that
I've I've talked to a lot ofpeople and they're like we're
not going to let this one go,we're going to make our voices
heard, you know, and then italways.

(01:02:43):
Then you get people like ohwell, you know, january 6th was
an insurrection, oh, this andthat.
Really, I'm like oh well, youknow, january 6th was an
insurrection, oh, this and that,really, I'm like, come on, I'm
like so you think something isgoing to happen no matter the
result no matter the result.
Right, I do.
I do think that people are not,you know, and that's providing
that we find out that night.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
I know We've been saying that too.
How long is it going to takebefore we even get a result?

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
I mean we're like supposed to be such a first
world country.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
We can't figure that out.
I know We've got some statessaying they need like two weeks
or something crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
It's ridiculous, yeah , but I think I am so happy
about people voting.
I mean, I've never voted earlyin my life and I went and voted
already because I'm like nope,and I tell people vote early,
vote in person.
I'm like because I don't trustthese people as far as I can
tell, the day of they could belike we ran out of ballots paper

(01:03:41):
ballots, which I think alreadyhappened in Nevada and they were
, you know, suddenly a pipeburst.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
Like some other.
Yeah, like that happened in2020.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Exactly, I mean something is going to be like or
the Internet's down.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
Right, you know there's some act of God that's
stopping voting from occurring.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Exactly so.
I was like I need my vote to becounted.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Right, well, and something did happen in
Pennsylvania, right.
So they kicked people out andthey sent them home, and a judge
found that to be not legal, andso now they extended early
voting a few extra days inPennsylvania.
But as I'm following, some ofthis coverage of what's going on

(01:04:23):
for those extra days of votingis that the lines are like five
hours long because there's onlylike two or three people working
or something like you knowthere's there's low there's low
staff, right, and so I don'tknow if it's totally.
You know if that report is veryaccurate, but you know I'm not
there.
But at the same time, if, ifthat type of stuff is happening,

(01:04:47):
you know, I'm just glad thatthe republicans are are calling
it out.
Clearly that was a victory ifyou have a judge that said, no,
we have to allow a few moreextra days because you guys were
kicking them out.
There's some, there's somestuff that's happening and it's
it's uh, not uh.

(01:05:07):
It's not right to say that itdoesn't happen, because it's
very clear that there's issuesand so it needs to be cleaned up
and I hope we have as fair ofelection as we can here.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Well, I think Laura Trump is doing a much better job
at overseeing this.
Well, look at what happened inVirginia, where he said no, I
have a right to take thesepeople off the ballot who are
not citizens.
So it's like and I want to sayI saw that in Arizona, but I
don't know.
It popped up on my feed, but Iwasn't sure if a judge there

(01:05:48):
said up on my feed, but I wasn'tsure if a judge there said yeah
, you're allowed to block peoplefrom, you know, from voting if
they're not citizens.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Yeah, yeah, well, there was, uh, there was kind of
conflicting um reports of that,because I did see that where
one of the States was able totake them off and then, but then
there was another state thatwas able to keep them on Right,
and it's so.
It's like, why would you, whywould you want to have
non-citizens voting in yourelections?

(01:06:16):
Clearly, the Democrats wantthat, because the Democrats
benefit from that, because theDemocrats are the ones that let
in the migrants, and so themigrants probably just feel that
we have a duty, in which you'vealready kind of explained that.
Oh, you know, you're sogracious, we will vote for you
because you've let us in.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Exactly.
It's what they've been doingever since Lyndon B Johnson, you
know.
I mean he was a racist, likethere's so many, a lot of
accounts of him being racist andyou know he had.
His ideology was like givethese people free public aid,
this and that and then they'llcontinue.

(01:06:55):
These.
He uses very nasty language,these, you know, people will be
voting Democrat for the next 200years.
Yes, you know, so I mean it'sdefinitely.
I mean I knew I could see itwhat the intention was with the
open border.
That was it it's like, and youknow, the greatest thing will be

(01:07:17):
if, like day of, they come downand knock on the door and
they're like I'm not goinganywhere, you know, if they
actually don't, you know, unlessthey've already casted a ballot
somehow without us you know,but there was people that were
going door to door where a lotof migrants left, and they said
are you registered to vote?

(01:07:38):
Yes, Are you a citizen?
No, Like it was like the entire, like apartment complex, you
know, and it's like it's.
You know it's wrong and I dothis every time I go vote.
My husband's like why do youhave to do that?
But I go in and I show up therewith my driver's license.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
You show him the ID, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
I'm like here's my ID .
I don't need it.
You don't need it.
How do you know it's me?
Well, because your address?
Well, how do you know?
I live there.
If I don't my well, we cancheck it against your signature.
So are you going to check itright now?
You know, are you going tocheck those form I just signed

(01:08:18):
against my well?
No, I mean, we're just yeah andlike, really, really, you're
doing this again.
I'm like I gotta do it.
He's like they're gonna kick usout is what they're gonna do.

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
So it is so crazy, though.
I know we just moved to thisarea a year ago and we had one
election that we voted for localelection or whatever and I
remember going in there andvoting and being like this is a
very different process than itwas in the city.
In the city it was, you justshow up, sign your name and
here's your ballot, right.
I mean I was like well, did youcheck who I am?

(01:08:50):
Like you know what, if I usedmy address I lived at six months
ago and not this address rightlike it was just like there was
zero, zero.
And then I'm sitting therethinking well, I wonder, you
know, we have properties there.
I'm like gee, what would happenif I came here and said all
these different addresses, youknow, would they let me vote at
all these places because therewas no verification whatsoever?

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
yeah, I mean, if you just think about how many times
we've moved, we could use.

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
Yeah, we could use so many addresses on that
potentially right, yeah, I mean,I don't know I didn't do that
right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
But I know, and my friend and I were like we should
vote mail and ballot and thenshow up to do and see what
happens.
Yeah, yeah, they're like okay,you can vote.
You know, it's like well, and Iwould feel I'd be filming it
the entire time.

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
Yeah, really well, and I'm curious what happened to
the people who put theirballots in the ballot boxes that
have like been set on fire nowpennsylvania yeah, like, what do
they get to do?
Right I think they've been.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
I think they've potentially been notified of I.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:09:50):
How do they?
Know, how would they even know?
Right, right.
I mean, how do they know whoseballots are in that box?

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
Maybe they sent out a public notice that said if you
dropped it in these locations,yeah, or maybe there's a way you
go online and you verify ifyour ballot.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
I don't know.
I know nothing about thatprocess.
I asked about that so theycan't verify if their vote was
cast.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
What's the website where I can check the seat and
make sure my ballot was casted?
There's no website, really, ohmy gosh.
And I think, like maybe inFlorida, because I think Dan
Bongino said vote, make sure youcheck that it actually was
casted, but here no.
And you know, I don't know whatthe deal is with the people,
but the people that are workingat these voting sites, I mean

(01:10:36):
it's like they just don't knowand just unfortunately, it's
like they're not.
You know, I mean, bless theirheart, they're wanting to work
there, but it's like they reallydon't know much about how it
works.

(01:10:56):
You know they don't.
Yeah, you know, like I had aquestion that was done and it
kept saying invalid, invalid.
So I see my husband, he's done,and I'm like like hey, come
over here.
He's like what I go, why is itsaying?
He's like, oh, did you just not?
Did you skip over some?

(01:11:16):
Okay, I go.
Yeah, I didn't vote for any ofthe democrats.
There's a whole page and theonly it was only one option
democrat, so I skipped it.
He's, and then the woman's likesir, you can't be over here.
And he's like that's my wife.
He's like I'd still, you can'tbe over here.
And he's like that's my wife.
He's like, still, you can't beover here.
And then he's like you justlooked at her ballot.
Well, I can look at her ballot.

(01:11:37):
She's like do you want to signan affidavit that your wife is
incapable of voting?
And I was like, oh my gosh,yeah.
She's like you can sign anaffidavit saying that you, you
have some kind of you're unablein unable to vote because you
have some kind of cognitiveissue, or something.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Have you?
Have you seen the latestcommercials from the left where
they have the wife goes in tovote with the husband and
they're like high-fiving, goinginto voting and then she's
wearing an American hat and thenshe goes to her ballot and you
know votes for Kamala and he, ofcourse, from the commercial is

(01:12:22):
he's voting for Trump.
And then they meet together andhe's like how did it go?
And she's like great and likeit's.
It's like you're hiding fromyour spouse.

Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
they want you to hide from your spouse who you're
voting for yeah, it was supposedto be like a woman empowerment,
like statement empowerment.
You can still vote for kamalaand not tell you.
It's like they're encouragingus.
It's really weird, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
They're like encouraging a silent majority
and you know, just lie, yourhusband's not there.
Just lie Right when asked.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Well, and and I, I, I tell my husband I go.
I I'm so glad that we're bothon the same page.
I don't know how couples do it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
I mean, I don't know, that would be really hard
Really hard yeah.
Because even if I wasn't like aRepublican, like my husband was
, I wasn't that much of adiehard by that.
So it was like wearing theDemocrat thing was wearing off.
Right.
So as I grew up, maybe I justyou know, like Robert F Kennedy

(01:13:31):
said, it's not that I left them,they left me Like I still have
the same values I had.
Yeah, I'm a little bit more,because I'm my age now and I
have kids that are in college,that you do change your views.
For me, I definitely go to massmore and I'm much more

(01:13:52):
connected, so maybe that's partof it, but I just don't align
with anything from theDemocratic Party at all.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
Because they just went too far.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
You think yeah absolutely I'm like this isn't
right.
There was just a lot of likethis isn't right.
You know feelings I had aboutdifferent topics.
So, yeah, I think it was a lotof that that happened.
And you know it's funny.
I mean I meet people randomlyand it's like they were put in

(01:14:28):
my path to to like say you'redoing the right thing, you know.
And I mean I won't go into thislong story, but when I was in
Nashville in the beginning ofOctober, I went to the cathedral
on a Monday and it was about itwas like 1150.

(01:14:49):
And I was met in the vestibuleby an usher and he was like oh,
welcome to Cathedral of theIncarnation.
We have mass at this time.
And I said, okay, I'm like,yeah, thanks, I go.
I probably will finish my icedcoffee outside and then come in
for mass.
And he's like well, where areyou visiting from?

(01:15:09):
I'm like Chicago.
He's like, well, what part?
I'm like Wrigleyville, oh,north Sider.
I said yeah and I go, are youfamiliar with Chicago?
He's like, oh, yeah, I grew upthere.
And he was like I'm one of thesurvivors from Our Lady of the
Angels fire.
And he's like my whole class Ilost.
I don't know if you're familiarwith that.
No, not really.

(01:15:31):
It was an awful.
On December 1st 1958, at agrade school like on Chicago
Avenue and maybe Hamlin aroundthere, a church fire broke out
in a Catholic school and 95children died in the fire.
Oh, my gosh.
Yeah, and like three nuns.
That's the reason back then,and at that time the

(01:15:53):
kindergartners were on top.
Now, since that happened, wenow keep the little ones on the
first floor.
Yeah.
Because of that event.
So the boys, more boys, weresaved because of the belts.
They were able to reach in,grab them by the belts.
So, more boys survived thangirls and one of the weirdest

(01:16:14):
well, not weirdest things butthe kids were told to stay, just
stay in place and pray.
So they didn't get out.
So it was a big thing.
Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
But when he said that, I'm likeno way.
I said I've read about thesubject.

(01:16:34):
I said you know, I had to watcha video for work on this.
And I said I was just sobbingbecause my kids were in grade
school in a Catholic church andI'm just picturing them.
And he's like, yeah, it wasawful.
I said do you get back toChicago much?
He's like, no, he goes, I won'tever go to another big city

(01:16:54):
because of the one thing that'swith a big D.
I'm like Democrats.
He's like, yep, we'll never goback to anything like that.
And I'm like, okay, so we weretalking but he said he goes.
You know what, and I don't knowhow he knew I was a Trump
supporter.
But he said God is talking tous through Trump.
And I just got chills.

(01:17:17):
I believe that too.
And then he was telling meabout some story that brought
tears to his eyes and it wasjust like the most amazing
person, like he was almost 80.
He was a veteran, you know.
I told him you know what I didand you know for work, and he

(01:17:37):
was just like it was weird, it'slike that.
And he told me he goes.
You know what this is called?
It's called a wink from God.
You and I meeting.
He's like we'll never forgetthis encounter.
I'm like no, and I really likeliterally still think about him
almost every day.

Speaker 4 (01:17:55):
That's really cool.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
Yeah, it was cool and it just again.
It was a sign from God, likeyou're doing the right thing,
you know, and even if Trumploses, I know that I did the
right thing.
I'm standing on the right sideof history, but let's just hope
that doesn't happen.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
Isn't it amazing?
How Did you feel this way onthe last election, where you
felt a connection with God andTrump and the presidency?

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
No, not in 2020.
I mean, I was a huge supporterof him but I did not feel that.
I mean, I think theassassination of the first one,
which is ridiculous that we evenhave to say it's the first time
they tried to kill him.
But you know, I actually hadfamily members say that was

(01:18:48):
staged and I I'm like what wasstaged?
That whole thing, I mean it wasit's a publicity stunt really.
You really think I go first ofall heyear-old, who was awful in
his rifle club.
I think he was told like don'tcome back, you're such a bad

(01:19:17):
shooter.
He trained at the same place.
He would go shooting where alot of FBI members you know
people from the FBI work at thatsame go to that same gun range.
And I'm like, so you reallythink he's like said hey, just
try, please, just try to clip mein the ear, make sure you don't

(01:19:37):
, right, we're talking likecentimeters, yeah, yeah,
millimeters, yeah, and the exactsecond of a head turn right,
yeah right.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
His head would have been blown off, right had he
just turned a, you know a littlelate.

Speaker 4 (01:19:55):
Like you can't stage that no, and then there?
Were multiple bullets.
It's not like it was just theone there was one on the side
and this.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Well, and then that's the thing is like.
And trump said by the way, makesure you kill an innocent man,
that's protecting his familyjust to make it look more
believable.

Speaker 4 (01:20:12):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
I mean, that's like how people yeah, it's really
wild, it's disgusting.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
It's really sad the shooter died.

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
Right, right.
We know nothing about him.
Right, right, so he crem Right,we know nothing about him Right
, they cremate his body Right.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
So that was also staged, that this kid is going
to die.

Speaker 4 (01:20:32):
Right, I hadn't heard that he was doing shooting
practice at a range where theFBI I had not heard that yeah
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
Well, there's a lot of weird things.

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
There's a lot of weird things.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
On the JD Vance Joe Rogan he actually said they
talked about this on thatepisode and Rogan's like I sat
across from Trump.
I looked at his ear.
There is a mark on his ear thatlike there was a bullet that
grazed his ear Right, and sothat is a thing.
And then, yeah, they werereally talking about there's a

(01:21:05):
lot of fishy stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:21:07):
Like his whole apartment was scrubbed yeah.
There wasn't even anysilverware in the shooter's
apartment.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
Really weird, bizarre things like that They've had a
lot of hard times just crackinginto his phone.
Couldn't get into his cellphone.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Oh yeah, that was the other thing.
I think he had multiple cellphones and they said, yeah,
they're all encrypted, theycan't open it up, but yet you
were able to track down everysingle person that was at the
Capitol On January 6th OnJanuary 6th Right, you knew by

(01:21:38):
the ATM receipts.
You found them.
I know a person personally wholived in Park Ridge.
She moved out of state, shemoved to Red State, but she was
there on January 6th, got to theCapitol, was like ugh, this
isn't looking really well.

(01:21:59):
So her and her friends decidedto go back to the hotel.
She had the FBI at her door.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
Well, she's on a list .
Yes, because anybody that wastraveling in or around DC is on
a list.

Speaker 4 (01:22:12):
And if you were there Even if you were there to visit
family or do an interviewyou're on the list to be checked
out.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
She was.
They came to her door.
She had, I think she paid like$10,000 to $15,000 just to fight
the case and clear her name.
She had a case brought againsther.
Oh yeah, she was there.
So therefore you're complaining.

Speaker 4 (01:22:36):
Oh my gosh, and she didn't go inside the Capitol and
cause any damage.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
I never even got near the steps.
We're approaching it and we'relike we see what's going on, so
she peacefully marched.
Yep, she just was there for hisspeech, she was gonna follow.

Speaker 4 (01:22:52):
when she got there, she's like ah, this is not
giving me a good vibe oh my goshsee, and this just like makes
me cringe of of thinking aboutthe double standard that exists
from what we saw in earlier thatyear yeah with the blm and
george floyd stuff.
I mean setting police cars onfire in downtown chicago and

(01:23:14):
just you know, barricadingplaces, looting places.
I mean throwing bricks andstuff at police and frozen water
bottles and I mean why are wenot knocking on those people's
doors?
And I'm sure there were.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
There obviously were some arrests but then you had
the celebrities all bailing themout.

Speaker 4 (01:23:34):
Yeah, I mean such a double standard, I it, it's just
.
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
I just that roast comedian who was at MSG at the
medicine school.
And he and he's, I think.
I personally thought it wasdistasteful I really did, but
and then I did some research.
I'm like, oh, he toured withJoe Rogan.
This is what he does.
He's a roast comedian, whateverbut oh my God, the backlash

(01:24:03):
from that.
But you have George Lopez at awaltz rally or fundraiser and he
is making jokes about Mexicans,saying like you've got to be
careful If you're going to builda wall, be careful with the
materials and the tools, becauseyou know us Mexicans, man,
we're going to.
You know, and that got like oh,that's so funny.

Speaker 4 (01:24:27):
It's a complete double standard.
I'm like I find it.
It's a complete double standard.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
I'm like I don't think it's any.
I've never thought he was funny.
He always, you know, his humoris all based on how, oh, you
know, I grew up in LA.
We were so poor that you know,when it rained, you know we were
looking forward to puddles,because that was the closest we
can get to swimming pools.
I'm like, no, not all Mexicansgrow up like that dude, Like you

(01:24:52):
know, it's just like, why areyou?
You know, and even with thisstatement, you know, and my
niece was like, well, you knowhe gets a pass because you know
he's Mexican, I'm like I don'tgive him a pass.
It's just not funny.
Yeah, it's offensive, you know,but it's offensive, you know,
but it's okay because you knowhe, there's a double standard,
you know.
So, yeah, it's sad, I mean.

(01:25:13):
So I don't know what elseshould we say?
Talk about, do we not?
Do we cover everything.
I feel like we can go on forhours yeah, this has been fun.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
This has been really fun.
Yeah, no, it's.
It's nice to hear yourperspective from the teacher
front and then just from theHispanic community too.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
Yeah, I mean, it was definitely something I'm glad
because I support BrandonStrzoka with his walk-away thing
.
I consider myself a walk-away.
I just started to look and itwas like.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
Brandon Strzoka has a huge movement.
He is gay.
He was actually on house arrestfor January 6th, I think.
He was there, so he had anankle monitor for a long time so
he had to fight this case.
But he was, he'll tell you, onthe night of 2016,.

(01:26:06):
He was just devastated thatTrump had won.
And you know, he's like I'm gay, I'm a hairdresser, he's like
and I just everything and itgoes.
And then I started to seethings and I walked away.
You got to look him up.
He's on Facebook.
He's huge.
So he started the Walk AwayFoundation for people that have

(01:26:28):
walked away from the DemocraticParty and then, Illinois has a
chapter, like you know, a group.
So, yeah, he's pretty cool, likehe's just very brave, you know
what I mean Like the trailblazerto go out there and start this
movement.
So that's kind of what I callmyself.
I'm a walkway.
I walked away from the partyand haven't looked back and I

(01:26:51):
just can't believe what it'sbecome, and it's something that
I, for one, don't want to be apart of.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
So yeah, do you ever see Chicago turning red or the
state turning red?

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
No, it would be nice.
I told my husband.
I said you know what, maybe Ishould run for mayor.
I actually told him thatbecause I've thought about
running for alderman and Ireally like Ray Lopez, so I'd
probably call him and be like,hey, can you just shadow you for

(01:27:28):
a while?
I'm like I don't really knowwhat it takes to be an alderman.
And then my husband's like,yeah, that would be cool.
I'm like, so what do I need tohave to run for mayor?
He's like nothing.
He's like if this guy got in,you know what I mean?
So I don't know, but I just Ijust think it's no, I mean at

(01:27:52):
least not I'll be out of thestate before that happens.
I mean the first chance we get,you know, once retirement comes
around.
We're like out of here, andthat's something I would never
thought.
I would say, yeah, you know,I'm like I just can't do it.
I said it definitely will notlive move to another blue state

(01:28:13):
ever again.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
You know purple is debatable, most likely red, you
know yeah yeah, I just you know,but yeah, yeah, yeah, well,
it's, I mean it's, I mean it'sinteresting.
It seems like there's there's anumber of groups that are
really kind of changing.
Let's say, a couple of weeksago we were able to talk to some

(01:28:35):
members of the black communitywho are part of a flip, chicago
red, and you know, the blackcommunity is kind of waking up
to all of this too.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
And if you kind of hear some of these YouTube clips
, of people just Like JessicaJackson.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
Yeah, jessica Jackson .
Yes, yeah, she is.
I mean, I don't know if I couldsay that.
But yeah, I totally want tolike Because she goes to the
city council meetings.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
Yeah and she calls him out.
Look at him, he's the onethat's trying to sell, and he's
like.
He's the one that's trying tosell, like you know, and he's
like ray lopez he's over therereading, because to get ready, I
mean.
So, yeah, I definitely like,I'm like I want to meet her.
Yeah, I want to go with her.
You know yeah she just, youknow, I'm like good for her,
yeah, yeah, she's really makingsome waves we made.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
We were friends with zoe, who is jessica's.
They're they're connected andso anyways, but they're doing
something that's incredible.
I mean, they're really rallyingeveryone in their community to
start voting for Trump.
And you start listening to alot of these YouTube videos of
people actually interviewingblack folks in Chicago and

(01:29:44):
they're all saying that they're,that they're going for trump I
mean I'm sure there's still morethat are on the left, but it's
like it's they're sick of itthey're opening their eyes, you
know, and that's the thing islike.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
You know, the democrat wants you to think that
you know what is like bonginosays you know, democrats don't
think you're stupid.
Oh, no wait, democrats aren'tdumb.
Democrats think that you'redumb, I think it's something
along those lines.
But I think a lot of people andto say black people can't get

(01:30:20):
an idea because they don't haveaccess to you know, it's like
how incredibly insulting is thatyes To a black person, like
wait a minute, I need an ID todo anything.
Right, just like everybodyneeds an ID to do something.
You know, there was a guy thatwent around in Harlem and asked
black people, do you have an ID?

Speaker 4 (01:30:38):
They're like yeah, I have an ID.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
I know it's such a ridiculous thing to say, you
know and it's like come on thingto say and it's like, come on,
it's the stuff they've said.

Speaker 4 (01:30:47):
Joe said if you aren't black, if you don't vote
for me, you ain't black.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
I mean, I think a lot of people are waking up and
seeing that.
And if Joe was running again, Ithink that we would be more in
trouble.
I think people still had.
I mean, I think people stillhad.
I mean the dementia thing is,but at least they're like, he
knows, he has some experience, alot of years of experience.

(01:31:14):
She has nothing and people arelike, well, she's the vice
president.
Yeah, she hasn't done anything,you know.
And to me that baffles me, likeyou know.
And the other thing I was goingto say is if the Democrats were
offered civil rights back in theday and they were for Title I,

(01:31:35):
and now you see that these boysare competing in women's sports,
that, like is probably thebiggest problem I have right now
with this push to allow.
I think it's dangerous.
I think you never see it theother way.
You never see a woman go.
Oh, I want to weightliftagainst men because they know
it's no Right, you know so it'slike they should.

(01:31:57):
I'm sorry, you shouldn't beallowed.
You want it.
Fight for like Title IX, likewe.
You know we did.
What about like?
What about those women's rights?
Why isn't that discussed?
They talk about healthcare,reproductive healthcare for
women.
I'm like so you're going to putmore money into mammograms or

(01:32:20):
people who can't afford to get ayearly exam to check for cancer
, like that to me seems likehealthcare for women.
When you're literally talkingabout reproductive healthcare,
what you're essentially sayingis you want to end your
reproduction.
That's what it is.
It's just they don't want touse the A word.

(01:32:41):
So I think a lot of people arejust opening up their eyes and
they're like I'm done, I'm notgoing to be fooled anymore.
They haven't done anything forme.
They're really wealthy and Godknows how they got their money,
but to me I just can't.
I can't do that.
I can't.
You know, yeah, you know Iactually lose sleep over it.

(01:33:05):
You know my sister's like youshouldn actually lose sleep over
it.
You know my sister's like youshouldn't lose.
No, I really am losing sleepover it because it's our country
and you know for you that youthink that the next day
everyone's gonna accept it andwe're just gonna.
Nothing's gonna change,nothing's gonna affect us.
I'm like okay, so yeah it's.

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
It seems like this is the election that really does
impact your life in so many ways, and it's interesting.
I've talked to a number ofpeers of mine and they just
don't want to vote because theydon't think their vote matters.
Being in a blue state, even ifI were to vote for the
Republicans, my vote doesn'tmatter, my, my simple response

(01:33:49):
was just like well, think of howmany people actually think the
exact same thing as you and likewe'll never.
We'll never change the state Ifwe're all just going to assume
that my, my vote doesn't matter.
And and I think this is justthis is an election where it's
just, it's so obvious thatthere's so many policy
differences that it will left orright.

(01:34:13):
I mean, we're at a very bigcrossroad here and, like you,
should make sure that your votedoes matter and just go cast it
right and the thing is outside.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
You drive outside of illinois like an hour.
You see Trump signs everywhere.
But I know Chicago isdefinitely, but, like I said, I
think there's going to be a lotof people that are.
You know, they may not voice itand they shouldn't have to,
it's their own business, butthey may be voting for Trump and
they can't tell family membersor stuff like that, because it's

(01:34:44):
like, oh my God, it'd beshunned.
How dare you have voted, youknow.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
Oh, I want to bring this up before we we, before we
part.
I was talking with a womantoday who I work with regularly
and she voted early.
She voted for Kamala and it wasinteresting to me because it
was a few months ago.
She was starting to kind oflike wake up and like she would
have these conversations with me.
I like, oh, like she's startingto change her mindset a little
bit.
And then she's she asked metoday and she's like hey, did

(01:35:12):
you listen to that podcast withrogan and trump?
And I'm like yeah, I certainlydid.
And she's like I have never,ever seen that side of him.
She's like it was fantastic andI was like are you, are you
gonna vote for him, because thiswas before.
I knew that she had alreadycast her vote.
She's like, if I would haveheard this podcast before I

(01:35:33):
voted, I would have voted forTrump.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
Like.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
I said he's funny, I mean he's smart, I mean that's
the thing is he's not polished,but he's really good.
I mean Elon Musk.
I mean I have so many friendsand I know you guys have a Tesla
Good for you.
But I know it's like the samepeople that I know that drive

(01:35:59):
Teslas hate Elon Musk.
I have so many friends that arelike oh, I hate him.
You literally put money in hispocket.

Speaker 1 (01:36:05):
You know what I?
Mean it's like so it's reallyfunny the evolution of tesla has
been.
When we first got the car, itwas very cool, and then there
was a section where it was likemaybe six months later it was
like, well, only the wokelibby's drive the teslas, right,
yeah.

(01:36:25):
I was like, oh man, man, Ican't believe I'm in that crowd
now.
And then, all of a sudden, eloncame out and he bought Twitter
and now he's for free speech andI'm like, yes, teslas are great
, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
Because he bought Twitter as if he needed more
money.
I'm like he didn't do it formoney, I go.
He did it to end censorship youknow what I mean To give people
their free speech again.
So again it's like do yourresearch, man.
You have no idea why.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
So I think those friends that said that they hate
Elon.
They bought in the section whenit was like it was cool it was
cool, it was cool.

Speaker 4 (01:37:05):
Right, I'm so green.

Speaker 1 (01:37:06):
Yeah, yeah and that was cool.
But wait a second.
He just bought Twitter and nowhe's endorsing Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
And I think so.
My husband and I were listening, started listening to JD Vance,
so, but it got late and we'relike, okay, promise, you're not
going to finish this without, sowe're going to listen to it
tomorrow while we do some cleanout some of our storage areas.
Okay, promise, and I couldprobably, you know, and I was
like so tempted today to likelisten.

(01:37:37):
I'm like no, I'll listen toBanchito instead, but I think
he's awesome.
Oh yeah, that episode wasawesome.
Yeah, yeah, I know, and he's sopersonable and, like I read his
book, I watched the movie, it'sjust like he's.
So, I mean, and people, I hatehim.
How can you hate this guy wholiterally came from like such

(01:38:01):
like a bad situation and then hewent before he knew he wanted
to get into politics.
He served his country.
A lot of people were dabblingwith the idea, like, let me do
some stuff with the military, soI can add that to my list of
like you know, I served, or itwas whatever I said, but he did
it, you know, with the genuineinterest of helping his country.

(01:38:25):
I said, and then he went toYale, I mean, and he's married
to an amazing woman who's Indian, and it's like how can you hate
him?
I know, you know what I mean, Iknow, you know, but I don't get
that.
It's like are we watching thesame interview?

(01:38:45):
Because I feel like we'rewatching the same thing and
we're walking away withcompletely different takeaways.
Like I didn't hear that at all,you know, and there's a lot of
that.
I don't know why that is.

Speaker 4 (01:38:57):
It's just that we're so in our heads about stuff that
and I think people aren'ttaking the time to listen to the
long form of the entireinterview and instead watch like
the little segments or snippetsthat are posted and then turned
on like a negative spin.
You know, it's like, like theperson you're talking about just

(01:39:19):
now like, well, I've never,I've never heard him like that.
Well, how many times have youtaken the opportunity to listen
to a long format of Trumpspeaking, versus just the tiny
little snippets he has?

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
been on so many podcasts.
He has been on so many.
He does so many interviews.
These guys are doing tons andtons of interviews and when you
compare the amount of interviewsthat they've done with what
Kamala has done, there is somuch content out there.
It's just that people arepurposely they're either one

(01:39:54):
being censored from it, Becausethat's a possibility right.

Speaker 4 (01:39:57):
Yeah, I'm sure that's part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:58):
Because look, if you were to open my feed right now,
you would see only right-leaningstuff.
I mean, that's all I see.
That is all I see.
I don't know why there's noleft-leaning stuff that comes
through.
It just doesn't, it doesn't, itliterally doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
I deleted about 50 texts within the last two weeks
of like.
It's all for donating, Ted.
Cruz, we're in trouble.
And I'm like I don't know how Igot on these lists.

Speaker 4 (01:40:25):
Yeah, same, yeah, same so.

Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
I'm like, I you know, I'm like just hard press, hard
press hard, you know, and thendelete like 25 messages.

Speaker 1 (01:40:36):
So I so I think I think there is a real battle
that's happening here with thecensorship and the algorithms
that are happening, where we geta lot of our news now through
social media, right, and so if alot of the truth is coming
through through social media orwhatever bias is coming through,
I mean that's all we're goingto see.
So it's it's really hard for me, honestly, it's really hard for
me to find content of long form.
Kamala interviews.

(01:40:57):
Right, well, there's not theamount of time is is it's not
really out there.

Speaker 4 (01:41:03):
We watched the Brett Baer interview.

Speaker 1 (01:41:05):
Yeah, we did, we watched the bear interview.
And yeah, we did, we watchedthe bear 60 minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
Yep, we watched the 60 minutes those are like the
only two 61 minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
They're calling it because I heard clips of her
call her daddy.
Um, I heard clips of her on uhwith shannon sharp.
Uh, the black guy, shannonsharp, yes, yes, but yeah, you
know, it's like the stuff forTrump is out there.
You just gotta, you have to goout and listen to it, and

(01:41:32):
sometimes there there might be acensorship block.
That's happening, but you haveto go find it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
You know, if you, if you really want to get to know
the person, Now, now, when itcomes to Kamala, cause, I was
like searching up when she saidthat people between the ages of
like what was it?
18 to 25 are stupid.
She said that a few years ago.
Yes, I remember that, so I waslooking it up and they're like
you know, that was just asnippet.

(01:41:58):
What she was talking about isthat you know people in that age
group, you know they do dumbthings, and I said well, the
verbiage I would use was likehey, you know you don't always
make the best decisions duringthose ages, but it doesn't
change the fact that she saidthey're stupid.

(01:42:19):
And now these people that arevoting for her, that are at that
age, it's like she called youguys stupid.
No, it's like she called youguys stupid.

Speaker 4 (01:42:26):
Right, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:42:28):
No, it's just like Biden calling us garbage Right
right, it's just.

Speaker 4 (01:42:32):
Yeah, they're trying to walk that back.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
I love Charlie Kirk and when he goes on campuses and
just debates, just destroysthese people.
Yeah, it's awesome.
Those are the people that Ithink are doing the hard work.
They're being brave and youknow doing stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:42:50):
Yeah, you know, because Well, sometimes it's as
simple.
He does such a great job ofjust asking questions like OK,
what policy of hers is it thathas got you voting for them?
Most of the time, they have noidea.

Speaker 1 (01:43:01):
Most of the time they don't know, because they're
just so emotional.

Speaker 4 (01:43:04):
I'm just.
I can't vote for Trump.
There's not really any insightinto what they're voting for.
It's just what they're votingagainst, and it's sad, and I
think you can see it sometimesin their face, where they have
this realization of like wow, Iactually don't have any idea
what I am voting for.
I just know what I'm not votingfor Right, right.

Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
And I was talking to somebody, somebody, a friend
that's jewish and I said did yousee that this holocaust
survivor came out and said hewants an apology from kamala
because of just because of whatshe said about?
yeah, because he's like I Icomparing trump to hitler yeah
he's like you have no idea whatHitler was like.
You didn't live through thosedays.

(01:43:49):
How dare you Like compare, youknow?
And she still said I'm stillscared of him, of Trump, you
know, and I'm like anti-Semiteor hate.
You know, crimes on Jewishpeople is at an all-time high,
you know.
And just the other day, the guythere was a shooting in Rogers
Park.

(01:44:09):
They didn't report whathappened.
You know it was reported as aman got one man shot at another
man.
That wasn't how it happened.
The guy, you know you can hearhim on tape saying Ali Akbar
shoots at the Jewish guy whilegoing to synagogue.
That's like how it happened andthe news media won't even put

(01:44:31):
that out there.
You know, brendan Johnson isgetting heat about it now
because they're like you're not,you didn't report it as a hate
crime, it was just like regularcrime.
And I told him like how couldyou be?
Like you're okay with all thesecampuses allowing these things?
I'm like you think he's athreat to Jewish people.

(01:44:51):
I'm like when he's been themost pro-Israel president we've
had, no, but there's stillpeople that are like nope, nope,
nope.
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:45:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
So it's just I don't know where we went from not
being critical thinkers.
Maybe it's just the result ofstress, that we don't have time
to look, so we just go withwhatever we're told, or we just
watch, like I said, a half hourof world news every night and
you're like okay, you know, Idon't know, I honestly don't

(01:45:23):
know what happened, but, like wetalked about media, there were
good anchors when we grew up.
You know, I don't know, Ihonestly don't know what
happened, but I like we talkedabout media, there were good
anchors when we grew up.
I mean, I remember I'm a lotolder than you guys.
I'm going to be 53 on November6th, so this might be the best
birthday ever or I'm not leavingmy house, so.

(01:45:45):
But I remember, like you knowthe Ted Koppel, you know the old
time Walter Cronkite and stufflike that, and it was like they
just reported the news.
This is what's happening.
But every news media now hastheir own agenda.
They include their owncommentary and it's like that's

(01:46:06):
not your job, dude, just tell methe news.
But if you look at behind, whoowns those, you start to go oh
okay, george Soros is involvedin BlackRock, you know.
Then you go that's why theyhave to do it like that, which
is, I mean, it's disgusting.

(01:46:28):
But again, unless someone stopsthem, they're going to continue
to be like that.
You know where they have nointegrity, no dignity.

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
Yeah, Well, I thought what was interesting is
recently it was Jeff Bezos whoowns the Washington Post.
Interestingly, as recently itwas Jeff Bezos who owns the
Washington Post and they were nolonger going to endorse a
candidate this presidentialcycle, in which they had

(01:47:01):
endorsed both before.
Maybe no, it was just they hadendorsed the left side.
Jesus wrote a note to everybodythere saying that we need more
conservative writers at the Postbecause we're now at a point
where nobody trusts mainstreammedia because of the amount of
bias and when you showendorsement, that proves the

(01:47:21):
bias, that proves the politicaldonations and the ties.
And so he wrote a note toeveryone that was public that
said we need more conservativewriters and people need to trust
the media again.
So it does take a guy likepotentially him and I don't know
where his politics are, buthe's recognized nobody trusts
the media anymore.

(01:47:42):
That needs to be corrected, andthe only way to correct it is to
get an equal balance of leftand right people reporting.
And then I I also think um,within the schools, we need an
equal balance of educators thatare teaching our children of
left and right and right.
Now we?

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
how about we just keep politics out of the schools
?
Let's stick to math science,you know.

Speaker 4 (01:48:08):
And same with the media right Like just facts.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
Yeah, exactly, I mean it's like you don't have to
throw all this stuff in.
And I think it was classic thatthe New York Times didn't
endorse her.
I mean, it's like she wasliterally a senator, you know,
in California, I mean.
So that to me was like that wasawesome, that they, for
whatever reason, they're likemaybe they're disassociating

(01:48:32):
themselves because they knowsomething we don't, yeah, and
they don't want to go down with.
So it's so.
That's really good to see.
Now I don't think, well, itbetter not be happening.
I'm going to have a hugeproblem with it.
But I don't believe that myunion supports any candidates

(01:48:55):
Because you know CPS, they weretaking union dues and giving it
to Brandon Johnson, yeah, youknow.
And a few teachers have filed alawsuit Like, no, we didn't
agree to this.
$8, a check or something wentto his campaign and it's like
you know so.
And now it's like coming backbecause now Brandon Johnson has

(01:49:19):
to do whatever the school wants,because it's a hey, we donated
huge to you, right, you know.
So it's like you know, I don'tknow Everyone that.
You know it's the nature ofpolitics.
I think, that it starts small,even if you go in with the best
intentions.
You, if you decide to run for acandidate you're like, and I

(01:49:42):
say hey, jason and Rachel, willyou like open home so I can have
a small gathering endorsing it,right?
Oh, yeah, sure, and then I getinto office.
You may call me and say hey, Ihave a problem with some taxes
that I got, or I have a problemwith my.
You know, I owe you now a favor, right?

Speaker 3 (01:50:05):
Because then it's like I feel like well, I got to
help them out.

Speaker 2 (01:50:06):
They open, you know, I owe you now a favor, right,
because it's like I feel like,well, I gotta help them out.
They open, you know.
So I think that's how it starts.
Yeah, you know.
Oh, you can hold your eventhere and then, whether, like,
the business is like, oh, likeI'm getting shut down for code
violations or something, I'lljust call them and you know what
I mean.
So you'll end up having to, youknow, but I don't feel like

(01:50:27):
trump owes anybody anything,right?
I mean, I could be wrong and Ithat part and have fact check,
but he doesn't seem like someonethat really you know, can't
really buy him you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:50:39):
Yeah, and that's what makes it so interesting is, uh,
you can't buy him and well, Iwell, I think I heard about he
already has a transition teamthat he's been funding and they
have been doing it likeprivately, in which this is
unique, because it has usuallyalways been well, once you're
elected, then the transitionteam starts Right, but he's

(01:51:00):
already like pre-planning that.
And so it needs to be fundedthrough him like pre-planning
that, and so it needs to befunded through him, and if they
don't have, like, thegovernment's transition team
involved, that's.
I think that's the whole pointof it is that you don't have
these other plants, right yeah.
Yeah, and, as you know, as apresident gets selected, then

(01:51:22):
you know there's the transitionteam from the other side that
was there and the transfer ofpower, and I think that's where
there was a lot of problems.
That was actually happening.

Speaker 2 (01:51:29):
Well, and he said that in the podcast with Joe
Rogan because he's like what'sday one look like.
And he's like, you know, I'mlike there's like all these
people and they already are partof this and I have to keep them
and you know, and he's like, sowhat?
I didn't know right what to do.
He's like, and then he's like,eventually I did fire, like you

(01:51:50):
know, people from the military,heads of the militaries, he, I
think he really values ourmilitary.
People are like oh, hedisparages our military.
No, he does it, you know oh yeahmiley, I go, miley needs to go
he, he's a traitor.
Miley.
Yeah, I think of Miley Cyrus,but no, I'm just kidding.
But yeah, I mean Miley.

(01:52:12):
I mean it's like you're tellingChina that hey, I'll give you a
heads up, like you don'tcircumvent the president and do
stuff like that.
It's like he doesn't disparagethe military, but he does if
you're a leader of the militaryand you're, you know, talking to
other leaders and not includingour president in it yeah, yeah

(01:52:43):
Trump says that there's.
there's many, many good generalsin the military, and it's not
the ones that are on TV, no,they're behind the scenes doing
stuff like that.
In Mexico they had an amazingpresident.
It's only one term there, butit's seven years, so you can't
re-elect someone.
I'm like, how progressive arethey?
They voted their first femalepresident and she's Jewish,

(01:53:07):
which is kind of like that'sextremely progressive for Mexico
.
Yeah, but she's kind of in linewith his ideas.
You know there was, so there'sso much corruption there that
he's they cleaned it up a lot.
You know he was like probablyone of the first presidents that
didn't take any money from thecartel, cause before that the
cartel funded all the electionsso they can get away with doing

(01:53:30):
everything they needed to do, soso, yeah, and I kind of feel
like he's kind of like trump.
He can't really be bought.
You know he doesn't need, likeI said, he doesn't need the
money, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:53:43):
so yeah, yeah, that's certainly another level.
The moment, the moment peoplebuy you, you're, you're done
yeah all right, we shouldprobably wrap this up well,
adriana thank you so much forfor joining us, and thanks for
sharing your side.
Yeah, yeah, this was a reallyfun conversation.
If you found any value in theshow, please share it and we

(01:54:04):
will catch you on the nextepisode bye bye.

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