November 6, 2024 • 54 mins
Tune into our take on how Donald Trump and the Republicans won the 2024 election in a landslide.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome back to another episode of the Real Life
Investing Podcast with Jasonand Rachel Wagner.
We are in celebration mode.
Rachel, did you stay up latelast night?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yes, I mean, I didn't make it all the way to the end.
I had to be woken up for thespeech, but that was close.
I think I fell asleep aroundlike one.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I did not.
I did not fall asleep.
I had energy throughout thenight.
This was a decisive victory forDonald Trump and the
Republicans.
Really, we are seeing a redwave surge through the country
and it's painful for a lot ofpeople on the left side.
I guarantee it.
I guarantee it.
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But this is one of the mostglorious days that we've been
waiting for, and I say that withsome humbleness at the same
time, because look, at the endof the day, we are a very, very
divided country.
We have the.
We're one of the most dividedcountries out there.
Less than 50% of the countrystill voted for Kamala and what
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the Democrats stand for.
It's just that the vastmajority shifted to the right,
and I think there's a lot ofquestions that both sides just
need to dissect a little bit.
The biggest one is just why didthis happen?
So let's start the show withthat Rach.
Why did we see what we saw?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
It's incredible what we saw.
I mean Trump not only won theElectoral College, but he won
the popular vote by more than 5million votes.
I mean just historical he wonthe popular vote.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
A Republican has not won the popular vote since early
2000s, or something.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, george Bush, george Bush.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
George Bush, this man who is villainized as Hitler,
just won the popular vote inwhich the Democrats previously
has always said we need to getrid of the electoral college and
really just focus on thepopular vote.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, that argument.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
They can't say that anymore, because we have a man
that just won everything.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, this is the greatest.
I mean you hate him all youwant, but this is an inspiring
comeback story and just a storyof resilience and perseverance.
And he didn't do it alone thistime and I think that is what
rallied so many more peoplebehind him this time.
This was truly a unity teamticket.
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I mean he had four formerDemocrats right up there with
him Tulsi Gabbard, rfk Jr, elonMusk, joe Rogan I mean all of
those people.
I mean Joe Rogan voted forBernie Sanders.
I mean RFK was running againsthim in this election.
So the ticket bringing that muchunity and these people waking
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up I hate to say waking up,because I think that probably
sounds offensive but thesepeople making the switch from
their traditional DemocraticParty over to Trump, I think
just shows that maybe we're notactually as divided as it's been
made out to be.
There's certainly divisionaround the emotion right now.
It's very.
I empathize with the left andwith the people who are feeling
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scared and are feeling hurt andfeeling confusion, because we
felt that four years ago, Ithink circumstances were a
little bit different.
But I can understand thosefeelings because if Kamala would
have won, I would be feelingthat way too.
So I empathize with them.
My hope is that as this unityticket and this true team comes
into the White House, there is anatural unveiling of what is
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possible, and I think there wassomething that you shared that
was like you know, this didn'thappen because the Trump
supporters are racist or youknow evil or coming from a
hateful place.
Right Like that rhetoric Ithink is now dead.
Right Like over half of thecountry, by a huge margin, not
only voted for Trump, but we'rekeeping the House and the Senate
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and in very blue states.
The margins of which Kamala didwin are very condensed and
smaller than they have ever been.
Kamala had the smallest marginin New York City since 1988 for
any Democrat and Chicago andCook County movement I mean
Chicago did not flip red, but itwas a very closed margin.
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The movement that we saw justfrom 2020 to 2024 is remarkable
and I think why that is isbecause, historically, minority
vote has gone to the Democratsand this time around, trump
gained many, many voters in theblack community, in the Hispanic
community and I think the whitesuburban mom, who you know very
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much, voted for Kamala Harris.
I think, as a white suburbanmom, should ask themselves why
and maybe try and understandfrom a minority who did vote for
Trump, because I guarantee youknow people who didn't and
people who are feeling scaredand hurt.
Those people are definitely outthere, but there's a very big
chunk and a growing chunk ofpeople who did vote for Trump
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and I think, sitting andlistening to them we had two on
our show, two Hispanic women whowere formerly Democrats and
turned to Republican speak onour show and listening to what
they have to say, you know their, their thoughts and opinions
are valid and I think thedemocratic party has for too
long been trying to speak forall minorities, and minorities
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have their own voice.
They don't want to be spokenfor, they don't want your pity.
You know they're strong,independent voters and citizens
of this country and they had avery strong voice this time
around, a huge, huge, strongvoice, and so that I mean that's
remarkable.
I think it's remarkable for theparty.
I mean this Republican Partytoday is vastly different than
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the Republican party even justeight to 12 years ago.
That we are diverse, we areunified, it's really bipartisan.
I'm I'm excited I know manypeople aren't, but I'm hopeful
that, as you see this team moveinto place, that you can can see
where where people were comingfrom and we can get into more of
the specific topics too.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, yeah, no, I think you that was an expert
analysis.
Honestly, you brought up a lotof great points which is like
and we saw this anecdotally, butfrom the Trump team, for
example, elon Musk and RobertKennedy used to Tulsi.
Gabbard used to be Democrats.
Look, elon had plenty ofopportunity to stay on the
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Democrat side.
He is a guy that produceselectric vehicles.
He is a guy that wants greenenvironment, everything.
He's the number one guy forthat.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
So is RFK.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Right and RFK is, but both of them have said over and
over again I didn't leave theDemocrats, the Democrats left me
.
Both of them have said over andover again I didn't leave the
Democrats, the Democrats left me.
And we have to really dissectthat answer there, because the
Democrats, as I talked to someof these former Democrats and as
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we spoke with the Hispanicwomen that were on our show, you
know, what I didn't reallyrecognize from myself was that
Hispanics were and blacks were.
This is how we've always voted,this is what our culture does,
and you vote blue, no matter who.
It was kind of like that wasthe herd mentality, right, and
it wasn't until I swear it wasjust a couple of weeks ago where
it really became so clear to me.
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And it became clear because wehad multiple conversations with
these two women.
And then we met Zoe with FlipChicago Red, a black woman who
is gay, who is a partner inleading an organization in the
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city of Chicago, who isdrastically upset about what has
happened with this migrantcrisis and how the black and
Latino voters have recognizedwait a second.
They said one thing.
They said wait a second, you'vehad all of these resources, all
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of this money, all of thiscapability for this long and you
just spent it on the migrantsthat came in, that just showed
up, that have never paid a dimein taxes.
And that is the story thatexploded last night at the
ballot box.
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It was the migrant crisis, itwas the open borders.
It was the doing of Joe Bidenand Kamala Harris to not secure
that border, to undo everythingthat Donald Trump had put in.
Donald Trump had recognizedthis was an issue long ago.
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The Democrats said it was anon-issue.
They reversed course and youhave just witnessed something
that was undone, brokenspecifically by the Democrats
that were in power, and peopleare finally saying no more and
they spoke and you have apopular vote winner, you have an
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electoral college winner, youhave a Senate winner and you
will likely have a hold of theHouse.
This is an ass it's a good oldfashioned ass kicking and you
just have to look at.
It was broken and now it needsto be fixed and we were even
seeing on some of the exit pollsof CNN.
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They had a massive.
I mean what stuck out to memost.
I mean what stuck out to memost.
The question was are we?
The question was is the economyon a good track, or like are we
in a good place?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Is the country headed in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Is the country headed in the right direction?
And there were two answers.
One was yeah.
Do you remember the?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Disagree.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
One was disagree, or one was like angry yeah.
And the percentage between thosetwo was like almost 70%.
Yeah, almost 70% of the countryfelt that we were on the wrong
track, and to think that you canwin when you have that type of
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response is you're not thinkingclearly, and so you and I were
talking about this this morning.
If the border was fixed, Ithink the Democrats could have
won early.
Yeah, and the the policies thattrump put in place in the
beginning were never undone.
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I believe the democrats wouldhave won this election it would
have been a lot closer.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I think the economy still has a big and the wars the
economy and the wars like andthis is where we talk about,
like when we did the episode onlike our conservative values and
stuff.
It's like it's not that theseother issues are important, it's
that there are other issues areimportant.
It's that there are biggerissues here.
People need to be able to feelcomfortable and provide for
their family.
Working families need to feellike they can provide and we
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need to feel safe and out ofwars.
The majority of America doesnot want to be in wars and we
need to have a secure border.
We don't America does not wantto be overrun by migrants.
I don't want to see migrantchildren in the middle of
medians you know, selling roses,right, like that.
That.
That is not America.
We don't want that for peoplecoming here.
We want people to come herelegally and ready to assimilate
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into the country.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
And let's and I mean let's talk about a little bit,
because there are some peoplethat, depending on where you
live, you may not haveexperienced this crisis or
thought it was as high of apriority as it truly was.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I think that's a lot voicing, you know, their, their
sentiment and just sadness overthe election results or being
like I can't.
I can't understand our peoplewho live in red States.
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So you know we were talkingabout this.
It's like if, if you live inIowa versus living in Illinois,
the impact of these things hasbeen vastly different because
you have a governor who's whoshielded you from the, the
migrant issue and even theeconomy the economy has been
incredibly stable and strong iniowa versus illinois.
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Right, people and businessesare fleeing illinois.
So, like if you're living in anarea that is red, the impact of
what we've seen in an areathat's blue is very different,
and I know that from talkingwith family who's in these red
States.
You know just people beingshocked by some of the things
I'm telling them that I see, andso you know our vote was very
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much about those three bigthings because we were hit
harder than some of these otherareas, and so I think you know
maybe they will come to see that, maybe they won't, because they
won't change their environment.
But I think if you're one ofwith people on this and I don't,
because I know in mostinstances it will be hyper
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emotional and we won't actuallyget anywhere.
I'm not going to changeanybody's mind, but I feel like
there's so much misunderstandingon that topic.
So let's take Iowa, for example.
Roe v Wade was overturned,right?
The abortion laws in Iowaremained the same.
Like, you can still have anabortion in Iowa through the
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first trimester, possibly even alittle bit further, I don't
know for sure.
And same with Illinois, right,illinois, you can have an
abortion first, electiveabortion first and second
trimester.
Certainly, in other very deep,conservative states abortion
laws have changed, but there isnot a single state currently in
the United States that does notallow for an abortion in the
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instance of the health of themother.
And so when these videos thatKamala was putting out, that
were so hyper emotional aboutwomen bleeding out from a
miscarriage and not havingaccess to abortion, well, when
you're bleeding out from amiscarriage, not having access
to abortion, well, when you'rebleeding out from a miscarriage,
the procedure isn't even calledan abortion.
It's not an elective abortion,it's a DNC.
There's not a single state inthe United States of America
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right now that would not allowfor that procedure to be done.
Because it is in the instanceof the health of a mother.
It is no longer a viablepregnancy.
So there's so many layers, avery there's.
There's only layers here, andit gets really frustrating and
same with, like an ectopicpregnancy, right, like that's
not a viable pregnancy.
So the procedure that you'rehaving is not an elective
abortion, it's a DNC, andthere's, again, not a single
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state in the United States wherethat procedure today cannot be
done.
The argument that is coming fromthe left is well, there could
be doctors that feel that thelaw is so vague that they don't
want to put themselves at riskof performing it, and I would
challenge you to find somebodywho truly feels that way and
doesn't feel that they couldn'targue this is no longer a viable
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pregnancy because the woman ismiscarriaging, or this is not a
viable pregnancy because it'sectopic and it's not going to
survive.
I don't believe that I could bewrong.
There could be some doctor outthere who's going to say I'm too
scared to perform this, but tome that's still not a limit on
your access of health care,because there's going to be
plenty of physicians around whowould do that, understanding
that you are going to bleed outif you don't have this care or
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your ovary is going to burst ifyou do not have this care.
So those super sensitive,emotional videos that were
coming from Kamala Harris andTim Walz were very, very
upsetting because as the law iswritten today and as things
stand today, that's not true,it's not factual.
And even further, with theabortion stuff, again, the
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Supreme Court overturned Roe vWade during the Biden-Harris
administration.
So if the Biden-Harris wantedto do something about it which
they can't because they don'tactually have the power to do so
but if they did, why wouldn'tthey have done it during this
current term, during theircurrent position in the White
House, position in the WhiteHouse?
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What makes you think thatsomething is going to be
different in Kamala's futureterm than it is right now?
Right, and again, they can't.
It's.
The only way that it couldhappen is if you put Kamala
Harris in the White House or aDemocrat in the White House.
They then stack the SupremeCourt and then have another case
come to the Supreme Court tothen reinstate that law.
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It's the only way it couldhappen.
Otherwise, again, it's notconstitutional, it's not in the
Constitution.
We're going to start amendingthe Constitution, which I think
you're going to see a big fighton that, but I guess my point is
the whole perception aroundthis abortion thing was so
frustrating, especially as awoman and living in a state
where it's incredibly legal tohave an abortion.
Here it's just like nothing ischanging.
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Arguably, there are very, veryconservative states, so I'm not
saying that there's not butthese arguments of in the life
of the mother and a lot of timesin rape and incest.
The vast majority of states arenot changing those rules and if
they are and if that'sbothersome to you and super
important to you, pay attentionand vote at the state level.
I guess you're wasting yourefforts of voting at the federal
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level on this topic.
Pay attention and vote at yourstate level and make changes
there.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Again, expert analysis.
I can't speak to any of this.
I'm the guy right and that waswonderful.
So thank you for all of that.
One of my biggest takeawaysfrom what you just said is that,
look, the left pushed a lot offear on all of this, but your
counterargument is that thatfear is really not that valid.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
No, right, no no.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Right no.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
And the one example.
I can't remember the woman'sname, but there was an example
of a woman who was she took anabortion pill and the pill did
not complete the abortion.
So she was bleeding out and shewent to the emergency room for
care and they scheduled her fora completion of the abortion,
but they didn't schedule it thatsame day, they scheduled the
next day or something.
There was something weird aboutthat.
But the Harris campaign tookthat story to say that this
woman couldn't get life savingcare in her instance and I think
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they even claimed it was amiscarriage.
It wasn't.
She took the abortion pill andthe pill did not complete what
it was supposed to do.
But it wasn't for lack ofaccess to care.
Arguably it was a mismanagementof scheduling in response to
her care in that hospital and,yeah, that's a problem.
They need to address that withthe problem.
But they scheduled the DNC.
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It wasn't an abortion anymore.
They scheduled the DNC.
She would have had theappointment, but she had an
infection and got sepsis andthey couldn't get it under
control.
So I would ask a couple ofquestions how long was she
bleeding?
How far along was the infectionwhen she went into the
emergency room?
I mean, was there a delay ofresponse, of trying to get care?
I don't know.
There's so many unansweredquestions, but they took the
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beginning part of the story andjust made it super inflammatory.
Women are bleeding out aroundthe country because they can't
get abortions.
It's like what?
What?
You know that?
No, that that is not actuallyhappening.
It's just.
It was so, so bothersome andI'm I'm disappointed in how the
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campaign took that and how theymade that out to be our biggest
issue.
You know it's from myperspective.
That is not the biggest issuefacing this country and America
has spoken.
It was not the biggest issuefacing the majority of America.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
It was not the biggest issue.
It was not the biggest issue.
It may be in your viewpointbecause of the you know the
coverage that was pushed on itso hard that you believe that
that was the biggest viewpoint.
But I want to get into thiswhole.
It's so important to me.
It is so important to me thatwe talk about the manipulation
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and the propaganda that comesfrom.
It could be from both sides100%.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
It's totally from both sides.
100% is from both sides.
It's totally from both sides.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
But it's totally very true in what we've seen in this
whole thing is that the mediawill villainize.
And look what they did withthis whole Madison Square Garden
, Puerto Rico comedian comment,where the comedian said that
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Puerto Rico was garbage, and themainstream media blew that
totally out of proportion.
Literally, guys, this was a.
They were trying to make amountain out of a molehill.
We've heard that expression,but this is what the that's what
the mainstream media does,because they have always sided
with the Democrats.
And who are we talking about?
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We're talking about CNN.
We're talking about MSNBC.
We're talking about ABC News.
We're talking about NBC News.
We're talking about CNBC News.
We're talking about your localNBC News, your local ABC News.
Every single channel that youhave on the left side that is on
TV that we grew up watching isall saying the same coordinated
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propagandized effort.
And they're doing itsimultaneously to help the
Democrats win.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah, I mean, I think it has been so upsetting to
watch the clips that have beenjust on repeat of Donald Trump
over the last eight years morelike 10 years really and it's
frustrating on both sides, likeas a Trump supporter.
It's like I wish he wouldpresent, you know, sometimes in
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a way that would avoid that.
You know, I think there are away to say certain things where
it's sure he kind of walkshimself into it.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
It's gonna be a lot harder for people to find and it
makes their job easier becausethey can.
They can take a portion of hisspeech and and hey, we're gonna
put together this coordinatedeffort yeah and like that is
true.
That is truly what happens.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I challenge someone to find an entire clip, not
taken out of context that istruly showing him as a racist or
a sexist or, you know, adictator or or anything Right,
Because the only things that thelegacy left media has been
showing are these clips, andthey did that most specifically.
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Adriana brought it up in herepisode where the like actually
I brought it up, she respondedto it, but the you know Trump's
a racist because he called allMexicans rapists and murderers.
And that was just such aperfect example, because that is
100% not what he said.
He said Mexico is not sendingtheir finest, he, they are
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sending rapists and murderers.
So he didn't even say that itwas Mexicans coming in who were
rapists and murderers.
He said the country of Mexicowas sending in these people who
were criminals.
And for years, years and yearsand years and years and years,
this clip has been, you know, onrepeat and headlines Trump
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calls all Mexicans racist andmurderers, or rapists and
murderers, or whatever the hellit was, and it was just like I
guess my point is.
I challenge everybody to, onboth sides, no matter the ring,
to seek out the full context,the entire video.
Listen to him in long form, andthat's where Joe Rogan did this
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country such a service.
Elon Musk too of allowing aplatform where you could listen
to people in long form, becauseyou can make anybody look like
anything in snippets of whatthey say right, but if you
listen to somebody in contextand listen to their entire
presentation of what they'retrying to say, listen to
somebody in context and listento their entire presentation of
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what they're trying to say, it'sit's not there.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
It's not there and it and it helps you.
Okay, here's.
The thing about the mainstreammedia is that they'll play the
clip and then it's a 15 secondclip.
Look what trump just said.
Rachel, what's your thought onthat?
Tell me.
Tell me what to think about.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yes, that's my biggest frustration with all all
media, fox news included, fox c, cnn, msnbc, abc, all of them.
They have so many frickingpolitical analysts, which
essentially, is what we're doinghere.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
We're totally doing that.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah, on our own platform right.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
But it's long term.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I'm not claiming to be a journalist.
I'm not claiming to be somebodywho's you know whatever a
journalist.
They, as the news, should besharing the facts.
They should be sharing the newsand allowing people, as the
viewer, to interpret thathowever they want.
I don't think that mainstreammedia should have political
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analysts.
I don't need you to tell me howto think about the news.
I can think about it for myself.
I'm doing that right now.
Right, like that.
That's what's like if you watchthese news medias.
It's all political analysts,political contributor, political
blah, blah, blah, blah.
And it's like where's thereporter Right?
I just want to talk to thereport.
Just let me hear the reporterRight, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yeah, and I think that's where most people just
look.
We just need to go back toreporting the news, what's
actually happening, and this iswhere you see X, that platform
really take off, where it's just, it's independent reporters,
it's independent journalism, itis people out there with their
phones that are capturingsomething in the moment that's
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happening and then providingthat on a platform in real time
and it's bypassing you havemillions of people that are
doing that and it's completelybypassing the machine of this
legacy media that can manipulate, pull the clips that they want
to pull and then put commentaryand coordinated analysis to it
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and then distribute that to themasses.
Right, we have entered into abrand new age of proving that
long form content on podcastswith a Joe Rogan style, and I
actually want to bring up thisfucking fantastic example.
I was speaking with a womanthat I work with regularly.
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She's actually my attorney.
She's an extremely smart woman.
I've been working with hersince 2016.
And we talk on a weekly basis.
Now, we've hardly ever talkedon politics because I always
knew that she was left-leaning,she hated Trump, and we just
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stuck to business.
Right, and that's totally fine.
Right, we don't have to havepolitical conversations, and but
it was.
I started to recognize thatshe's.
She started to coming around tolike podcasting and she started
hearing some things and shewould kind of like slowly throw
some things in my ear and belike, hey, you know, this is
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kind of interesting, right.
And I saw her like having anopenness and that's the big
thing is that not everybody hasthis openness to want to
discover.
You know a lot of people.
I just want to hear what I wantto hear and I'm sticking to
that and I'm not I'm just goingto completely put a wall to
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what's on the other side.
But I started to sense that shehad an openness to want to
discover and she still voted forKamala.
She voted early.
But she called me and said Jason, did you listen to the Donald
Trump and Joe Rogan podcast?
I said, of course I did.
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I said, do you?
And she's like, yeah, I havenever heard him at that light
before.
I have never, ever seen himsound so intelligent.
I have never.
This guy has it all together.
This is not who I thought hewas.
Well, what do you mean?
This is not who you thought hewas.
This is how I've always seenhim, because I've listened to
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him and I've followed him.
Well, I found out that she gotall of her news sources from
traditional legacy media pictureof donald trump is the villain,
the hitler, the terriblebusinessman, the, the guy who's
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gone into bankruptcy, the guywho's raped women, the guy who's
, you know, is a felon, the guythis is the worst person on
earth and pure evil.
And she said he was none ofthat.
And I was like what?
What do you mean?
He's none of that.
She's like I cannot believethat.
I heard his whole story withoutinterruption.
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She said did you listen to theJD Vance and Joe Rogan?
I said I haven't yet, but I'mgoing to.
She's like oh, I highlyrecommend it, he's fantastic.
And I'm like are you going tovote for Donald Trump?
This was before I knew that sheactually voted.
And I'm like are you going tovote for Donald Trump?
This was before I knew that sheactually voted.
And she's like I early votedand I wish I would have heard
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these podcasts before I earlyvoted.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Because I would have voted for Trump.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
And that exploded my brain, that completely exploded
my brain.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, I mean the Joe Rogan podcast that I just can't
recommend enough is Donald Trump, jd Vance, elon Musk and RFK Jr
Phenomenal episodes, and theRFK Jr one that's old, that was
from last year, but that was thefirst time I had heard him in
long form and it's so funny, butthat was the first time I had
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heard him in long form and it'sso funny.
I love like, like acknowledginglike how I've even had these
perceptions of like I wouldmention RFK to certain people
and people just be like, yeah,but he's so extreme on this,
he's so extreme on this, youknow, he's he's so this and like
a big center, like he's he'santi-war, he's anti-nuclear and
he's kind of a quack, he's he'skind of crazy and he's so
(30:23):
anti-vax and like those were allthe things I knew about him,
yet I had never read anything ofhis, listened to anything of
his.
So, like, my perception of himwas those things very early on,
and it wasn't until I listenedto him in long form I was like,
whoa, I really like this guy,really like this guy, and so
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I've said before, like had heremained in the race, I would
have been challenging for me toto choose somebody, cause I
really, really, really liked him, whereas before I had only
heard these labels that themedia had put in everybody's
head, and I will tell you, otherpeople who I know had those
same labels and listened to hisepisode changed their mind too.
It's like I think we myselfincluded obviously need to think
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about a preconceived notions ofpeople and ideas and all these
things Like where did that comefrom?
Like we asked where did yourconservative values come from?
Where'd your liberal valuescome from?
Do you know?
Do you know why you're strongin your conviction?
Or is it just what you weretaught, what you've always
thought was true?
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Or is it just what your parents have done, and they
told you that this is the waythat we've always done it, so
you should do it too.
And this is that was the storyof the latino vote.
Is that no longer?
Is it just heard mentality?
It's?
No, I'm gonna think for myself.
No, I'm gonna vote for myselfbecause I have access to the
information, and the informationis free on podcasts, and that
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is insane.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Right, there's so many pieces to this election
that are so vital.
That is the one component thatI think as a learned skill for
voters moving forward is to findout what the truth is, and the
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only way to find out what thetruth is is to find the actual
source and have it withoutinterruption and manipulation
and analysis, and you come upwith your own decision.
And the form is podcasting, andthen I think this is where X
really comes into play, wherethat is a platform where people
(32:31):
just post the news and it'sindependent journalism and
there's no it's so funny youjust say that because I
literally just got an updatefrom Elon Musk on X that says
news should come from the people.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
He literally just said that he literally just said
that News should come from thepeople.
Isn't that funny?
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Isn't that funny, isn't that funny?
And if you're not on X, youneed to be, you need to be.
And at the same time, there'sgoing to be people that have
fake accounts that are kind ofsharing things.
But you get good, as youdissect this stuff before you
share it, you'd be like, hmm,like let's listen to that
(33:12):
headline that I just scrolledthrough and let's see if I can
actually, like put some piecestogether.
Does this actually soundlegitimate?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
right or is there enough support?
Is there enough support right?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
and and what's great about x and which is it's
getting a lot better is thatthey have a component on there
that if something is blatantlyfalse and it's being spread and
the misinformation part rightthat the Democrats are so
concerned about there are whatthey call is community notes,
and that gets flagged.
And what community notes is isthat there's enough people that
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have counter arguments to thisthat that is absolutely not true
.
And once something gets flaggedwith community notes, it's
still out there for you to see.
But there is a flag on therethat says here's how this is not
true and here's some.
Here's some reasons why.
Right, and so you can.
You can see all that, right,and so it's.
(34:05):
It's almost like Bitcoin, right.
It's like the way Bitcoin worksis on a blockchain, right, and
you can't manipulate atransaction because somebody has
validated that transaction, orthere's there's a bunch of
people that have actuallyvalidated that transaction and
so it can't be changed becausethere's validation.
And the moment that somethingis not true, it's just like you
(34:27):
go to post something that'sfalse.
There are going to be peoplethat you go to post something
that's false.
There are going to be peoplethat comment instantly dude,
that's not true.
What are you talking about?
Like right, you get you, youliterally can get fact checked
there, and so that's essentiallywhat this is.
But here's what the democratswanted to do if they would have
won.
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There were plenty of calls fromkamala, from hillary clinton,
from people on the left saying xneeds to be shut down, and if
this is the only platform thatallows you to have freedom of
speech, we don't have freedom ofspeech anymore yeah, and mass
censorship was going to continueand and really, dude, we were
(35:13):
going to be blinded for lifebecause we would have never
gotten about it to the bottom ofit, we would have never seen
the truth because it would havebeen censored from us yeah, I
thought I've been like sobaffled by the people who call
donald trump a dictator,comparative to what we saw with
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biden and what seemed to be whatwe were going to see with
harris.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
It's like you know, trump I, I can't.
What's a mandate that he did?
Speaker 1 (35:45):
that was dictatorship .
I don't.
I have no idea I have no ideahe was in office for four years,
I mean, I don't remember himever being a dictator.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
And that's where, like, I can't think of anything.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Maybe that's not unfair, maybe they're the only
dictatorship that I remember wasa vaccine mandate.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
That was put in by Joe Biden.
Yes, and that's the thing islike they make this argument
that Trump's such a dictator.
But when I look at whathappened post-COVID 2021, 2022,
with the vaccine mandate, youknow you're going to lose your
job if you don't consent totaking this vaccine.
That's not even fully approvedyet.
And then the censorship thatwas occurring for doctors they
(36:20):
took away people's medicallicenses across the country for
showing different data andhaving a different medical
opinion.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
They took away the ability to debate something that
was so critical for people toknow in that vaccine.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yes, and it's so dangerous to think about.
I don't want to go to aphysician who is only telling me
what the people 15 steps abovehim are telling him to say.
I want to go to a physician whois taking what they learned in
med school, thinking criticallyand analyzing me as a patient
and making recommendations forme as a patient.
Not what you know necessarilyis coming from up above.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
And that's where remember how we used to say all
doctors must think the same.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Well, wait, wait a minute.
And if you don't think the same,we're going to take your board
license.
We're going to silence you onthis.
There's going to be deaththreats to you, like that was
more dictatorship than anythingI have ever seen from Trump.
And to your point of themsaying we've got to take down X
and we've got to stop thisconversation, and there were
some other things that they hadsaid specifically to Trump
(37:29):
supporters.
I'm just like you want to talkabout dictatorship, like my gosh
.
That is coming from the left,it is not coming from the right.
This notion of you know thatMadison Square Garden rally you
brought that up.
I mean that was so insulting, Ithink, to everybody there.
There were Jewish flags hangingin Madison Square.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Garden.
Oh saying it was a nazi rally,yeah it was like what that was a
hugely diverse crowd.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
There were seriously jewish flags flying, israel
flags flying, and it's like itmakes no sense and yet that is
the headline and the rhetoricand the belief of so many people
, and it's so confusing yeah,yeah, and, and that's the
frustrating is a better word,it's.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
It's not confusing, it's frustrating I call it
brainwashing because it itdoesn't seem like it is, but
you're just so convicted inthese, in these things like, oh
no, that's what he is, becauseI've been, I've heard this over
and over and over and over again.
The thing is, if you can, ifyou literally repeat the lie
over and over and over again, itbecomes truth, truth, right,
(38:31):
and it sets in.
People will say the same thing.
Trump continues to deny the2020 election.
He said it over and over andover and over again and they
called it the big lie, and theleft will literally say the
exact same thing.
It has become truth for peopleon the right-hand side.
Well, dude, here's.
The thing is that there wasevidence upon evidence of how
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was the 2020 election reallyinfluenced?
It was the fact that themainstream media knew about the
Hunter Biden laptop andcompletely suppressed it.
There were 51 FBI agents thatsigned off and said that this
was something that was put inplace by Russia, and it was a
complete falsehood.
That was a complete lie, and sodid that manipulate voters at a
(39:21):
crucial time when they werepotentially making a decision,
absolutely.
And so this is how we can saythe election was not fair in
2020, because there wasdeception, manipulation and
proven malice-ness that happenedfrom the left to literally
suppress information, and thisis what we're talking about in
(39:43):
terms of censorship and howcensorship can brainwash you
into not knowing what the realtruth is, and we can't get away
from that.
And, in my opinion, that typeof conversation has a higher
priority in terms of our overallhealth of a country than some
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of the main issues that were putforward on the left.
But here's the great thing aboutthis election is that the right
side had so many reasons tovote for the right side.
The left side had two, in myopinion, two reasons to vote for
the left.
It was Trump derangementsyndrome.
You hate Trump, so I'm notvoting for Trump because I hate
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the guy.
Valid, fine, totally.
I heard that so many times.
It's totally fine.
If that's the way you felt,great, you know what it's.
It's really hard to change that.
You have to have a willingnessto like look past it you.
But if you don't have awillingness to it, whatever, and
we call it trump derangementsyndrome and it's a serious
condition.
Second, it was the abortion, inwhich you you put forth a very
(40:46):
good counter argument of okay, I.
I think that is still a veryimportant issue for many, many
people, and I and I will neversay that it's not.
I think it's extremelyimportant.
But those are the two issuesthat they put forward, the right
put forward.
How many issues?
The border, the economy foreignpolicy foreign policy.
(41:12):
Peace through strength, men andwomen's through strength, men
and women's sports.
Men and women's sports, in myopinion, health, remembering the
health and vaccine mandates.
I mean they didn't really putforward, like they didn't really
talk about the vaccine stuff,that like at all.
Trump didn't talk about it all.
But no, it was just the chronicdisease epidemic.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
And that's where trump trump did a good job of
that.
Actually, I will say, becauseRFK is definitely more outspoken
and that stuff and Trump wasvery much like I'm going to
bring RFK on board.
There is 100% of chronicdisease epidemic in this country
.
It is skyrocketing.
It is irrefutable.
You look at the numbers acrossthe board, it is frightening.
And that was where he left it.
And that was where he left it.
(41:47):
He's like when we get in office, we'll put RFK in place and
he's going to figure it out.
I'm not going to say it's this,I'm not going to say it's that,
I'm not going to say it's this,but it's undeniable that we
have a chronic disease epidemicin this country.
Our kids are way less healthytoday than they were 20, 40, 50
years ago.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Right and there's statistics to actually prove
that 100% and all the newillness and diseases that are
coming about is mind boggling.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
You know there are diseases that kids are being
diagnosed with today that didnot exist before in prior
generations, and so something weare doing is changing the
health of our children and ofour people in this country is
changing the health of ourchildren and of our people in
this country, and if you compareus to other countries that did
a great job of this as well, asfar as pharmaceutical
consumption and chronic health,we should be at the top.
You know this is America, firstworld country.
I mean, we should be at the topand we are not.
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We are dwindling down, we aredeclining and our life
expectancy is also going down.
So I think he did a phenomenaljob of bringing light to that
issue without alienating peoplewith predetermined consensus of
what is the cause right.
I think he did a great job ofthat.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah, and so there were a number of reasons why
someone would want to vote forthe Republicans and that was
clearly the case is that therewasn't just one or two reasons
for people to vote forRepublicans here.
There were many, many, andthere were not enough reasons
for people to vote for theDemocrats, and one of the
biggest things that I think wasa big misstep was that Kamala
(43:26):
Harris could not admit a faultof her last three and a half
years.
Was there something that youguys did, or Joe Biden did, that
you would do differently?
And she said no, I don't thinkso.
There's nothing that comes tomind.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
She had a lot of misses and I think that came
from the parties wanting toprotect Joe Biden.
The party refuses to admit thatthey were wrong or that Joe
Biden's mental capacity has beendeclining.
They refuse to acknowledge thator admit it, or that Joe Biden
mental capacity has beendeclining.
They refuse to acknowledge thator admit it, even though the
whole country knows which is whythey replaced him.
Literally everybody in thiscountry knows that Joe Biden was
(43:58):
not capable of running anotherfour years or being in office
for another four years.
He's not capable of being inoffice right now.
I bet you majority of Americafeels that way.
I bet you majority of Democratsfeel that way, but the party
itself refuses to acknowledgethat and instead talks about how
he's had the greatestpresidency in modern history.
And it's like huh.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
They should not have done that.
They should literally have saidlook, Joe Biden has been on the
decline.
We noticed it early.
We had a huge kumbaya and weall got together and said, look,
this is time, it's time to passthe torch and you can't be
ashamed of that.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
They would be pressed to pinpoint when they started
acknowledging.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
That's why the media has been trying to get Kamala
Shepard.
They backed themselves in thecorner.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
She was in a tough place of the party has not
acknowledged this, and so, ashis current VP, what was she
going to criticize?
But it was a huge miss for herfrom a campaign standpoint.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
But this is the problem is that when you tell so
many lies on the left-hand side, when you don't admit what's
actually happening and you painta glossy picture of something
else happening, you can't win,you can't.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yeah, you miss your opportunity, you totally miss it
.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
The only way forward is through transparency and
being truthful and stop tellinglies.
Now again, I can literallyenvision someone listening to
this and being like Jason.
Donald Trump tells so many lies, lies and lies and lies.
I literally have heard that tooright, we have to get to a
point where the truth is thenorm.
(45:31):
People are transparent.
It was the lies and thedeception that the left put in
play and it got the result thatthey got, and that's it.
It got the result that they got.
They broke so much.
(45:51):
They sold us on fear.
This is what's going to happenif Donald Trump gets in.
Well, hey, the American peopleis smarter than that, because we
remember, just four years ago,donald Trump did not get us in
the new wars.
Donald Trump was not a dictator.
Donald Trump did not do thesethings that you keep saying that
he's going to do, and so we had, we had a memory on that, and
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so your lies didn't work andthey saw right through it.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Well, and so that's what's so unique about about
this election is, in essence,they were both really seeking
second terms.
Granted Kamala was a vicepresident, but they both had
four years in the White House,and so voters could literally
look and say, well, here wasTrump's four years, here was
Biden Harris four years, andactually look as a comparison.
And that hasn't we have.
(46:39):
As Americans, we have not hadthat opportunity.
And what did you say?
Over a hundred and some.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
No, we've never.
We've.
It's never happened, for we'vehad two competing presidents
that have actually been inoffice before.
It has never happened.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Okay, but what has happened is the president had a
gap term where they were inoffice, then got voted out, then
got voted back in.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Right, and that was Grover Cleveland 136, 132 years
ago or something.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
So this literally has not.
It's never been a thing for us,and that made this super unique
, because you literally had twolive examples of Trump and
office Kamala in office Right,so she really needed to separate
herself from the currentadministration.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Yeah, and she couldn't, she couldn't and she
couldn't.
I think this was a really goodwrap up of everything.
Anything else you want to add,you can think of.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
I imagine we will probably keep talking about this
as things continue to develop.
I don't think this was a winfor Republicans, for us, and I
truly believe, a win for themajority of America.
Not everyone feels that way,but I do think that it was and I
do think over time, more andmore people will see that.
But I think there are so manychallenges ahead, and so I
(47:51):
imagine we will probably keeptalking about this as those
challenges present themselves.
I think as we started thispodcast, kamala hadn't conceded
yet, so you know, there's aconcession.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
But he's projected.
He has been announced, likeeverywhere, that he is, but yeah
, yeah, there's still a holdoutthat she hasn't like spoken yet.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
You know the States still need to certify, he still
needs to get sworn in.
His life is at risk, he said,to assassination attempts.
So you know there's there's alot that could happen, and it's
not like he goes in officetomorrow.
So now, when you look atforeign policy in the world, you
know we've got essentially twomore months of this
administration and everybodyknowing it's going to be vastly
(48:31):
different come January 20th, andso does that make these next
two months potentially morevolatile or more at risk, maybe
you know.
So I think this was a good wrapup, but I think we're far from
we're far from done.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
You know, there's.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
There's a lot that's that's going to be happening.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
I want.
I want to add another piece.
There's a lot that's going tobe happening.
I want to add another piece.
I've had a ton of fun talkingabout this political season over
the last, since really, theassassination attempt I mean, I
started a little bit prior tothat, but really the
assassination the first oneexploded.
It for me Because, again, Ilook at Donald Trump as he is
(49:08):
the greatest leader of all time,and I say this because I
respect the work ethic, Irespect the way he has not given
up.
You talk about any hero storywhere it is, you've got a guy
who is going against everythingthe David and Goliath.
I mean I look at him as this isDavid Goliath is the machine of
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the US government and theDemocrats and all of the things
that went against Donald.
And he never gave up.
Man we're talking about, thisis his third election.
He never gave up and that isundeniably admirable gave up and
that is undeniably admirable.
And we were just seeing hislast week of rallies Dude he was
(49:54):
.
He had three rallies in, likethere were the last four days.
He had three rallies in a day.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
Yes, he was heading to a third rally at like 11
o'clock at night 72?
Speaker 1 (50:06):
The guy's work ethic and it's 72 years old.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
He's older than that, I thought.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
Is he older 76?
Let's check real quick,important number.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
It is he's 78, babe Fuck.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
This guy, at 78 years old, is doing this type of
activity that I, at 35, wouldhave a hard time doing.
That is un-fucking-believableand it deserves.
Did he earn this?
Did he earn this?
He fucking earned it.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Yeah, he fucking earned it hustled and pushed
through the hardest.
I mean, his own party wasagainst him in 2016.
You know, he didn't have thesupport of the republicans in
2016.
He didn't have the support ofthe media the Republicans.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
It's the greatest comeback story of all time.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
He's so inspiring.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
It is the greatest comeback story of all time and
it's something that you have toacknowledge.
You have to respect it.
If you hate him, that's fine,but look at the work ethic and
how inspirational that is.
Because you know what?
If I never give up, I can neverfail.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
Yeah, he just showed that, I mean.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
And what is entrepreneurship?
Not giving up?
And what is providing for yourfamily?
Not giving up and just keepgoing and finding different ways
to go about it.
When you know what your goal isand when you're convicted on
achieving your goal, no matterwhat happens, if you never give
(51:37):
up, you will never fail.
And Donald Trump showed thatand it's hard to say like he's
an evil man.
That was just unbelievable andit was so fun to watch, it was
so fun to comment on publiclyand I found some great new
(51:58):
friendships and built deeperbonds with people.
I've lost some people.
I actually, in the last day, Ilost 20-some followers on
Instagram and you know, does ithurt me a little bit?
Sure, Of course.
Of course, Nobody ever wants tobe put in that position.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Nobody wants to be disliked.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
Nobody likes to be disliked, but, at the end of the
day, those people can come backif they want to.
I will welcome you back anytime, and I hope that I can have a
chance to be back in your worldtoo.
But, in my opinion, I thinkthat what we are doing is
correct, and I think, no matterwhat the result is, you're going
(52:39):
to get backlash, but if youjust keep pushing forward, you
can't fail, and so it's notalways going to be sunshines and
rainbows, and Donald Trumpclearly showed that to us.
Anybody that wants to speakabout politics and have an
opinion, you put yourself in thearena.
You're going to get backlash.
You're going to get people thatwant to dislike you, that want
to take you down.
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That's just part of the game,and can you get comfortable
being in that position and stillmoving forward is a learned
skill, and so, anyways, I'mexcited to continue the
conversation.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
Me too yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Awesome.
All right, I guess we'll cut it.
All right, all right, thanksfor listening.
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We would.
We would really greatlyappreciate it and we would love
to hear from you.
All right, thanks everyone.
We'll see you on the next show.
Welcome back to another episode of the Real Life
Investing Podcast with Jasonand Rachel Wagner.
We are in celebration mode.
Rachel, did you stay up latelast night?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yes, I mean, I didn't make it all the way to the end.
I had to be woken up for thespeech, but that was close.
I think I fell asleep aroundlike one.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I did not.
I did not fall asleep.
I had energy throughout thenight.
This was a decisive victory forDonald Trump and the
Republicans.
Really, we are seeing a redwave surge through the country
and it's painful for a lot ofpeople on the left side.
I guarantee it.
I guarantee it.
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But this is one of the mostglorious days that we've been
waiting for, and I say that withsome humbleness at the same
time, because look, at the endof the day, we are a very, very
divided country.
We have the.
We're one of the most dividedcountries out there.
Less than 50% of the countrystill voted for Kamala and what
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the Democrats stand for.
It's just that the vastmajority shifted to the right,
and I think there's a lot ofquestions that both sides just
need to dissect a little bit.
The biggest one is just why didthis happen?
So let's start the show withthat Rach.
Why did we see what we saw?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
It's incredible what we saw.
I mean Trump not only won theElectoral College, but he won
the popular vote by more than 5million votes.
I mean just historical he wonthe popular vote.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
A Republican has not won the popular vote since early
2000s, or something.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, george Bush, george Bush.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
George Bush, this man who is villainized as Hitler,
just won the popular vote inwhich the Democrats previously
has always said we need to getrid of the electoral college and
really just focus on thepopular vote.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, that argument.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
They can't say that anymore, because we have a man
that just won everything.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, this is the greatest.
I mean you hate him all youwant, but this is an inspiring
comeback story and just a storyof resilience and perseverance.
And he didn't do it alone thistime and I think that is what
rallied so many more peoplebehind him this time.
This was truly a unity teamticket.
(02:30):
I mean he had four formerDemocrats right up there with
him Tulsi Gabbard, rfk Jr, elonMusk, joe Rogan I mean all of
those people.
I mean Joe Rogan voted forBernie Sanders.
I mean RFK was running againsthim in this election.
So the ticket bringing that muchunity and these people waking
(02:51):
up I hate to say waking up,because I think that probably
sounds offensive but thesepeople making the switch from
their traditional DemocraticParty over to Trump, I think
just shows that maybe we're notactually as divided as it's been
made out to be.
There's certainly divisionaround the emotion right now.
It's very.
I empathize with the left andwith the people who are feeling
(03:14):
scared and are feeling hurt andfeeling confusion, because we
felt that four years ago, Ithink circumstances were a
little bit different.
But I can understand thosefeelings because if Kamala would
have won, I would be feelingthat way too.
So I empathize with them.
My hope is that as this unityticket and this true team comes
into the White House, there is anatural unveiling of what is
(03:39):
possible, and I think there wassomething that you shared that
was like you know, this didn'thappen because the Trump
supporters are racist or youknow evil or coming from a
hateful place.
Right Like that rhetoric Ithink is now dead.
Right Like over half of thecountry, by a huge margin, not
only voted for Trump, but we'rekeeping the House and the Senate
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and in very blue states.
The margins of which Kamala didwin are very condensed and
smaller than they have ever been.
Kamala had the smallest marginin New York City since 1988 for
any Democrat and Chicago andCook County movement I mean
Chicago did not flip red, but itwas a very closed margin.
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The movement that we saw justfrom 2020 to 2024 is remarkable
and I think why that is isbecause, historically, minority
vote has gone to the Democratsand this time around, trump
gained many, many voters in theblack community, in the Hispanic
community and I think the whitesuburban mom, who you know very
(04:52):
much, voted for Kamala Harris.
I think, as a white suburbanmom, should ask themselves why
and maybe try and understandfrom a minority who did vote for
Trump, because I guarantee youknow people who didn't and
people who are feeling scaredand hurt.
Those people are definitely outthere, but there's a very big
chunk and a growing chunk ofpeople who did vote for Trump
(05:16):
and I think, sitting andlistening to them we had two on
our show, two Hispanic women whowere formerly Democrats and
turned to Republican speak onour show and listening to what
they have to say, you know their, their thoughts and opinions
are valid and I think thedemocratic party has for too
long been trying to speak forall minorities, and minorities
(05:38):
have their own voice.
They don't want to be spokenfor, they don't want your pity.
You know they're strong,independent voters and citizens
of this country and they had avery strong voice this time
around, a huge, huge, strongvoice, and so that I mean that's
remarkable.
I think it's remarkable for theparty.
I mean this Republican Partytoday is vastly different than
(06:01):
the Republican party even justeight to 12 years ago.
That we are diverse, we areunified, it's really bipartisan.
I'm I'm excited I know manypeople aren't, but I'm hopeful
that, as you see this team moveinto place, that you can can see
where where people were comingfrom and we can get into more of
the specific topics too.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, yeah, no, I think you that was an expert
analysis.
Honestly, you brought up a lotof great points which is like
and we saw this anecdotally, butfrom the Trump team, for
example, elon Musk and RobertKennedy used to Tulsi.
Gabbard used to be Democrats.
Look, elon had plenty ofopportunity to stay on the
(06:44):
Democrat side.
He is a guy that produceselectric vehicles.
He is a guy that wants greenenvironment, everything.
He's the number one guy forthat.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
So is RFK.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Right and RFK is, but both of them have said over and
over again I didn't leave theDemocrats, the Democrats left me
.
Both of them have said over andover again I didn't leave the
Democrats, the Democrats left me.
And we have to really dissectthat answer there, because the
Democrats, as I talked to someof these former Democrats and as
(07:28):
we spoke with the Hispanicwomen that were on our show, you
know, what I didn't reallyrecognize from myself was that
Hispanics were and blacks were.
This is how we've always voted,this is what our culture does,
and you vote blue, no matter who.
It was kind of like that wasthe herd mentality, right, and
it wasn't until I swear it wasjust a couple of weeks ago where
it really became so clear to me.
(07:50):
And it became clear because wehad multiple conversations with
these two women.
And then we met Zoe with FlipChicago Red, a black woman who
is gay, who is a partner inleading an organization in the
(08:11):
city of Chicago, who isdrastically upset about what has
happened with this migrantcrisis and how the black and
Latino voters have recognizedwait a second.
They said one thing.
They said wait a second, you'vehad all of these resources, all
(08:31):
of this money, all of thiscapability for this long and you
just spent it on the migrantsthat came in, that just showed
up, that have never paid a dimein taxes.
And that is the story thatexploded last night at the
ballot box.
(08:52):
It was the migrant crisis, itwas the open borders.
It was the doing of Joe Bidenand Kamala Harris to not secure
that border, to undo everythingthat Donald Trump had put in.
Donald Trump had recognizedthis was an issue long ago.
(09:12):
The Democrats said it was anon-issue.
They reversed course and youhave just witnessed something
that was undone, brokenspecifically by the Democrats
that were in power, and peopleare finally saying no more and
they spoke and you have apopular vote winner, you have an
(09:35):
electoral college winner, youhave a Senate winner and you
will likely have a hold of theHouse.
This is an ass it's a good oldfashioned ass kicking and you
just have to look at.
It was broken and now it needsto be fixed and we were even
seeing on some of the exit pollsof CNN.
(09:57):
They had a massive.
I mean what stuck out to memost.
I mean what stuck out to memost.
The question was are we?
The question was is the economyon a good track, or like are we
in a good place?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Is the country headed in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Is the country headed in the right direction?
And there were two answers.
One was yeah.
Do you remember the?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Disagree.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
One was disagree, or one was like angry yeah.
And the percentage between thosetwo was like almost 70%.
Yeah, almost 70% of the countryfelt that we were on the wrong
track, and to think that you canwin when you have that type of
(10:43):
response is you're not thinkingclearly, and so you and I were
talking about this this morning.
If the border was fixed, Ithink the Democrats could have
won early.
Yeah, and the the policies thattrump put in place in the
beginning were never undone.
(11:04):
I believe the democrats wouldhave won this election it would
have been a lot closer.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I think the economy still has a big and the wars the
economy and the wars like andthis is where we talk about,
like when we did the episode onlike our conservative values and
stuff.
It's like it's not that theseother issues are important, it's
that there are other issues areimportant.
It's that there are biggerissues here.
People need to be able to feelcomfortable and provide for
their family.
Working families need to feellike they can provide and we
(11:33):
need to feel safe and out ofwars.
The majority of America doesnot want to be in wars and we
need to have a secure border.
We don't America does not wantto be overrun by migrants.
I don't want to see migrantchildren in the middle of
medians you know, selling roses,right, like that.
That.
That is not America.
We don't want that for peoplecoming here.
We want people to come herelegally and ready to assimilate
(11:57):
into the country.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
And let's and I mean let's talk about a little bit,
because there are some peoplethat, depending on where you
live, you may not haveexperienced this crisis or
thought it was as high of apriority as it truly was.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I think that's a lot voicing, you know, their, their
sentiment and just sadness overthe election results or being
like I can't.
I can't understand our peoplewho live in red States.
(12:30):
So you know we were talkingabout this.
It's like if, if you live inIowa versus living in Illinois,
the impact of these things hasbeen vastly different because
you have a governor who's whoshielded you from the, the
migrant issue and even theeconomy the economy has been
incredibly stable and strong iniowa versus illinois.
(12:51):
Right, people and businessesare fleeing illinois.
So, like if you're living in anarea that is red, the impact of
what we've seen in an areathat's blue is very different,
and I know that from talkingwith family who's in these red
States.
You know just people beingshocked by some of the things
I'm telling them that I see, andso you know our vote was very
(13:13):
much about those three bigthings because we were hit
harder than some of these otherareas, and so I think you know
maybe they will come to see that, maybe they won't, because they
won't change their environment.
But I think if you're one ofwith people on this and I don't,
because I know in mostinstances it will be hyper
(13:48):
emotional and we won't actuallyget anywhere.
I'm not going to changeanybody's mind, but I feel like
there's so much misunderstandingon that topic.
So let's take Iowa, for example.
Roe v Wade was overturned,right?
The abortion laws in Iowaremained the same.
Like, you can still have anabortion in Iowa through the
(14:08):
first trimester, possibly even alittle bit further, I don't
know for sure.
And same with Illinois, right,illinois, you can have an
abortion first, electiveabortion first and second
trimester.
Certainly, in other very deep,conservative states abortion
laws have changed, but there isnot a single state currently in
the United States that does notallow for an abortion in the
(14:31):
instance of the health of themother.
And so when these videos thatKamala was putting out, that
were so hyper emotional aboutwomen bleeding out from a
miscarriage and not havingaccess to abortion, well, when
you're bleeding out from amiscarriage, not having access
to abortion, well, when you'rebleeding out from a miscarriage,
the procedure isn't even calledan abortion.
It's not an elective abortion,it's a DNC.
There's not a single state inthe United States of America
(14:53):
right now that would not allowfor that procedure to be done.
Because it is in the instanceof the health of a mother.
It is no longer a viablepregnancy.
So there's so many layers, avery there's.
There's only layers here, andit gets really frustrating and
same with, like an ectopicpregnancy, right, like that's
not a viable pregnancy.
So the procedure that you'rehaving is not an elective
abortion, it's a DNC, andthere's, again, not a single
(15:15):
state in the United States wherethat procedure today cannot be
done.
The argument that is coming fromthe left is well, there could
be doctors that feel that thelaw is so vague that they don't
want to put themselves at riskof performing it, and I would
challenge you to find somebodywho truly feels that way and
doesn't feel that they couldn'targue this is no longer a viable
(15:37):
pregnancy because the woman ismiscarriaging, or this is not a
viable pregnancy because it'sectopic and it's not going to
survive.
I don't believe that I could bewrong.
There could be some doctor outthere who's going to say I'm too
scared to perform this, but tome that's still not a limit on
your access of health care,because there's going to be
plenty of physicians around whowould do that, understanding
that you are going to bleed outif you don't have this care or
(15:59):
your ovary is going to burst ifyou do not have this care.
So those super sensitive,emotional videos that were
coming from Kamala Harris andTim Walz were very, very
upsetting because as the law iswritten today and as things
stand today, that's not true,it's not factual.
And even further, with theabortion stuff, again, the
(16:23):
Supreme Court overturned Roe vWade during the Biden-Harris
administration.
So if the Biden-Harris wantedto do something about it which
they can't because they don'tactually have the power to do so
but if they did, why wouldn'tthey have done it during this
current term, during theircurrent position in the White
House, position in the WhiteHouse?
(16:44):
What makes you think thatsomething is going to be
different in Kamala's futureterm than it is right now?
Right, and again, they can't.
It's.
The only way that it couldhappen is if you put Kamala
Harris in the White House or aDemocrat in the White House.
They then stack the SupremeCourt and then have another case
come to the Supreme Court tothen reinstate that law.
(17:06):
It's the only way it couldhappen.
Otherwise, again, it's notconstitutional, it's not in the
Constitution.
We're going to start amendingthe Constitution, which I think
you're going to see a big fighton that, but I guess my point is
the whole perception aroundthis abortion thing was so
frustrating, especially as awoman and living in a state
where it's incredibly legal tohave an abortion.
Here it's just like nothing ischanging.
(17:28):
Arguably, there are very, veryconservative states, so I'm not
saying that there's not butthese arguments of in the life
of the mother and a lot of timesin rape and incest.
The vast majority of states arenot changing those rules and if
they are and if that'sbothersome to you and super
important to you, pay attentionand vote at the state level.
I guess you're wasting yourefforts of voting at the federal
(17:50):
level on this topic.
Pay attention and vote at yourstate level and make changes
there.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Again, expert analysis.
I can't speak to any of this.
I'm the guy right and that waswonderful.
So thank you for all of that.
One of my biggest takeawaysfrom what you just said is that,
look, the left pushed a lot offear on all of this, but your
counterargument is that thatfear is really not that valid.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
No, right, no no.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Right no.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
And the one example.
I can't remember the woman'sname, but there was an example
of a woman who was she took anabortion pill and the pill did
not complete the abortion.
So she was bleeding out and shewent to the emergency room for
care and they scheduled her fora completion of the abortion,
but they didn't schedule it thatsame day, they scheduled the
next day or something.
There was something weird aboutthat.
But the Harris campaign tookthat story to say that this
woman couldn't get life savingcare in her instance and I think
(18:57):
they even claimed it was amiscarriage.
It wasn't.
She took the abortion pill andthe pill did not complete what
it was supposed to do.
But it wasn't for lack ofaccess to care.
Arguably it was a mismanagementof scheduling in response to
her care in that hospital and,yeah, that's a problem.
They need to address that withthe problem.
But they scheduled the DNC.
(19:18):
It wasn't an abortion anymore.
They scheduled the DNC.
She would have had theappointment, but she had an
infection and got sepsis andthey couldn't get it under
control.
So I would ask a couple ofquestions how long was she
bleeding?
How far along was the infectionwhen she went into the
emergency room?
I mean, was there a delay ofresponse, of trying to get care?
I don't know.
There's so many unansweredquestions, but they took the
(19:40):
beginning part of the story andjust made it super inflammatory.
Women are bleeding out aroundthe country because they can't
get abortions.
It's like what?
What?
You know that?
No, that that is not actuallyhappening.
It's just.
It was so, so bothersome andI'm I'm disappointed in how the
(20:01):
campaign took that and how theymade that out to be our biggest
issue.
You know it's from myperspective.
That is not the biggest issuefacing this country and America
has spoken.
It was not the biggest issuefacing the majority of America.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
It was not the biggest issue.
It was not the biggest issue.
It may be in your viewpointbecause of the you know the
coverage that was pushed on itso hard that you believe that
that was the biggest viewpoint.
But I want to get into thiswhole.
It's so important to me.
It is so important to me thatwe talk about the manipulation
(20:37):
and the propaganda that comesfrom.
It could be from both sides100%.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
It's totally from both sides.
100% is from both sides.
It's totally from both sides.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
But it's totally very true in what we've seen in this
whole thing is that the mediawill villainize.
And look what they did withthis whole Madison Square Garden
, Puerto Rico comedian comment,where the comedian said that
(21:06):
Puerto Rico was garbage, and themainstream media blew that
totally out of proportion.
Literally, guys, this was a.
They were trying to make amountain out of a molehill.
We've heard that expression,but this is what the that's what
the mainstream media does,because they have always sided
with the Democrats.
And who are we talking about?
(21:27):
We're talking about CNN.
We're talking about MSNBC.
We're talking about ABC News.
We're talking about NBC News.
We're talking about CNBC News.
We're talking about your localNBC News, your local ABC News.
Every single channel that youhave on the left side that is on
TV that we grew up watching isall saying the same coordinated
(21:51):
propagandized effort.
And they're doing itsimultaneously to help the
Democrats win.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah, I mean, I think it has been so upsetting to
watch the clips that have beenjust on repeat of Donald Trump
over the last eight years morelike 10 years really and it's
frustrating on both sides, likeas a Trump supporter.
It's like I wish he wouldpresent, you know, sometimes in
(22:18):
a way that would avoid that.
You know, I think there are away to say certain things where
it's sure he kind of walkshimself into it.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
It's gonna be a lot harder for people to find and it
makes their job easier becausethey can.
They can take a portion of hisspeech and and hey, we're gonna
put together this coordinatedeffort yeah and like that is
true.
That is truly what happens.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I challenge someone to find an entire clip, not
taken out of context that istruly showing him as a racist or
a sexist or, you know, adictator or or anything Right,
Because the only things that thelegacy left media has been
showing are these clips, andthey did that most specifically.
(22:56):
Adriana brought it up in herepisode where the like actually
I brought it up, she respondedto it, but the you know Trump's
a racist because he called allMexicans rapists and murderers.
And that was just such aperfect example, because that is
100% not what he said.
He said Mexico is not sendingtheir finest, he, they are
(23:18):
sending rapists and murderers.
So he didn't even say that itwas Mexicans coming in who were
rapists and murderers.
He said the country of Mexicowas sending in these people who
were criminals.
And for years, years and yearsand years and years and years,
this clip has been, you know, onrepeat and headlines Trump
(23:41):
calls all Mexicans racist andmurderers, or rapists and
murderers, or whatever the hellit was, and it was just like I
guess my point is.
I challenge everybody to, onboth sides, no matter the ring,
to seek out the full context,the entire video.
Listen to him in long form, andthat's where Joe Rogan did this
(24:04):
country such a service.
Elon Musk too of allowing aplatform where you could listen
to people in long form, becauseyou can make anybody look like
anything in snippets of whatthey say right, but if you
listen to somebody in contextand listen to their entire
presentation of what they'retrying to say, listen to
somebody in context and listento their entire presentation of
(24:25):
what they're trying to say, it'sit's not there.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
It's not there and it and it helps you.
Okay, here's.
The thing about the mainstreammedia is that they'll play the
clip and then it's a 15 secondclip.
Look what trump just said.
Rachel, what's your thought onthat?
Tell me.
Tell me what to think about.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yes, that's my biggest frustration with all all
media, fox news included, fox c, cnn, msnbc, abc, all of them.
They have so many frickingpolitical analysts, which
essentially, is what we're doinghere.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
We're totally doing that.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah, on our own platform right.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
But it's long term.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I'm not claiming to be a journalist.
I'm not claiming to be somebodywho's you know whatever a
journalist.
They, as the news, should besharing the facts.
They should be sharing the newsand allowing people, as the
viewer, to interpret thathowever they want.
I don't think that mainstreammedia should have political
(25:20):
analysts.
I don't need you to tell me howto think about the news.
I can think about it for myself.
I'm doing that right now.
Right, like that.
That's what's like if you watchthese news medias.
It's all political analysts,political contributor, political
blah, blah, blah, blah.
And it's like where's thereporter Right?
I just want to talk to thereport.
Just let me hear the reporterRight, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yeah, and I think that's where most people just
look.
We just need to go back toreporting the news, what's
actually happening, and this iswhere you see X, that platform
really take off, where it's just, it's independent reporters,
it's independent journalism, itis people out there with their
phones that are capturingsomething in the moment that's
(26:00):
happening and then providingthat on a platform in real time
and it's bypassing you havemillions of people that are
doing that and it's completelybypassing the machine of this
legacy media that can manipulate, pull the clips that they want
to pull and then put commentaryand coordinated analysis to it
(26:22):
and then distribute that to themasses.
Right, we have entered into abrand new age of proving that
long form content on podcastswith a Joe Rogan style, and I
actually want to bring up thisfucking fantastic example.
I was speaking with a womanthat I work with regularly.
(26:42):
She's actually my attorney.
She's an extremely smart woman.
I've been working with hersince 2016.
And we talk on a weekly basis.
Now, we've hardly ever talkedon politics because I always
knew that she was left-leaning,she hated Trump, and we just
(27:02):
stuck to business.
Right, and that's totally fine.
Right, we don't have to havepolitical conversations, and but
it was.
I started to recognize thatshe's.
She started to coming around tolike podcasting and she started
hearing some things and shewould kind of like slowly throw
some things in my ear and belike, hey, you know, this is
(27:23):
kind of interesting, right.
And I saw her like having anopenness and that's the big
thing is that not everybody hasthis openness to want to
discover.
You know a lot of people.
I just want to hear what I wantto hear and I'm sticking to
that and I'm not I'm just goingto completely put a wall to
(27:44):
what's on the other side.
But I started to sense that shehad an openness to want to
discover and she still voted forKamala.
She voted early.
But she called me and said Jason, did you listen to the Donald
Trump and Joe Rogan podcast?
I said, of course I did.
(28:04):
I said, do you?
And she's like, yeah, I havenever heard him at that light
before.
I have never, ever seen himsound so intelligent.
I have never.
This guy has it all together.
This is not who I thought hewas.
Well, what do you mean?
This is not who you thought hewas.
This is how I've always seenhim, because I've listened to
(28:29):
him and I've followed him.
Well, I found out that she gotall of her news sources from
traditional legacy media pictureof donald trump is the villain,
the hitler, the terriblebusinessman, the, the guy who's
(28:49):
gone into bankruptcy, the guywho's raped women, the guy who's
, you know, is a felon, the guythis is the worst person on
earth and pure evil.
And she said he was none ofthat.
And I was like what?
What do you mean?
He's none of that.
She's like I cannot believethat.
I heard his whole story withoutinterruption.
(29:10):
She said did you listen to theJD Vance and Joe Rogan?
I said I haven't yet, but I'mgoing to.
She's like oh, I highlyrecommend it, he's fantastic.
And I'm like are you going tovote for Donald Trump?
This was before I knew that sheactually voted.
And I'm like are you going tovote for Donald Trump?
This was before I knew that sheactually voted.
And she's like I early votedand I wish I would have heard
(29:31):
these podcasts before I earlyvoted.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Because I would have voted for Trump.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
And that exploded my brain, that completely exploded
my brain.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, I mean the Joe Rogan podcast that I just can't
recommend enough is Donald Trump, jd Vance, elon Musk and RFK Jr
Phenomenal episodes, and theRFK Jr one that's old, that was
from last year, but that was thefirst time I had heard him in
long form and it's so funny, butthat was the first time I had
(30:03):
heard him in long form and it'sso funny.
I love like, like acknowledginglike how I've even had these
perceptions of like I wouldmention RFK to certain people
and people just be like, yeah,but he's so extreme on this,
he's so extreme on this, youknow, he's he's so this and like
a big center, like he's he'santi-war, he's anti-nuclear and
he's kind of a quack, he's he'skind of crazy and he's so
(30:23):
anti-vax and like those were allthe things I knew about him,
yet I had never read anything ofhis, listened to anything of
his.
So, like, my perception of himwas those things very early on,
and it wasn't until I listenedto him in long form I was like,
whoa, I really like this guy,really like this guy, and so
(30:45):
I've said before, like had heremained in the race, I would
have been challenging for me toto choose somebody, cause I
really, really, really liked him, whereas before I had only
heard these labels that themedia had put in everybody's
head, and I will tell you, otherpeople who I know had those
same labels and listened to hisepisode changed their mind too.
It's like I think we myselfincluded obviously need to think
(31:05):
about a preconceived notions ofpeople and ideas and all these
things Like where did that comefrom?
Like we asked where did yourconservative values come from?
Where'd your liberal valuescome from?
Do you know?
Do you know why you're strongin your conviction?
Or is it just what you weretaught, what you've always
thought was true?
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Or is it just what your parents have done, and they
told you that this is the waythat we've always done it, so
you should do it too.
And this is that was the storyof the latino vote.
Is that no longer?
Is it just heard mentality?
It's?
No, I'm gonna think for myself.
No, I'm gonna vote for myselfbecause I have access to the
information, and the informationis free on podcasts, and that
(31:46):
is insane.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Right, there's so many pieces to this election
that are so vital.
That is the one component thatI think as a learned skill for
voters moving forward is to findout what the truth is, and the
(32:10):
only way to find out what thetruth is is to find the actual
source and have it withoutinterruption and manipulation
and analysis, and you come upwith your own decision.
And the form is podcasting, andthen I think this is where X
really comes into play, wherethat is a platform where people
(32:31):
just post the news and it'sindependent journalism and
there's no it's so funny youjust say that because I
literally just got an updatefrom Elon Musk on X that says
news should come from the people.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
He literally just said that he literally just said
that News should come from thepeople.
Isn't that funny?
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Isn't that funny, isn't that funny?
And if you're not on X, youneed to be, you need to be.
And at the same time, there'sgoing to be people that have
fake accounts that are kind ofsharing things.
But you get good, as youdissect this stuff before you
share it, you'd be like, hmm,like let's listen to that
(33:12):
headline that I just scrolledthrough and let's see if I can
actually, like put some piecestogether.
Does this actually soundlegitimate?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
right or is there enough support?
Is there enough support right?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
and and what's great about x and which is it's
getting a lot better is thatthey have a component on there
that if something is blatantlyfalse and it's being spread and
the misinformation part rightthat the Democrats are so
concerned about there are whatthey call is community notes,
and that gets flagged.
And what community notes is isthat there's enough people that
(33:44):
have counter arguments to thisthat that is absolutely not true
.
And once something gets flaggedwith community notes, it's
still out there for you to see.
But there is a flag on therethat says here's how this is not
true and here's some.
Here's some reasons why.
Right, and so you can.
You can see all that, right,and so it's.
(34:05):
It's almost like Bitcoin, right.
It's like the way Bitcoin worksis on a blockchain, right, and
you can't manipulate atransaction because somebody has
validated that transaction, orthere's there's a bunch of
people that have actuallyvalidated that transaction and
so it can't be changed becausethere's validation.
And the moment that somethingis not true, it's just like you
(34:27):
go to post something that'sfalse.
There are going to be peoplethat you go to post something
that's false.
There are going to be peoplethat comment instantly dude,
that's not true.
What are you talking about?
Like right, you get you, youliterally can get fact checked
there, and so that's essentiallywhat this is.
But here's what the democratswanted to do if they would have
won.
(34:48):
There were plenty of calls fromkamala, from hillary clinton,
from people on the left saying xneeds to be shut down, and if
this is the only platform thatallows you to have freedom of
speech, we don't have freedom ofspeech anymore yeah, and mass
censorship was going to continueand and really, dude, we were
(35:13):
going to be blinded for lifebecause we would have never
gotten about it to the bottom ofit, we would have never seen
the truth because it would havebeen censored from us yeah, I
thought I've been like sobaffled by the people who call
donald trump a dictator,comparative to what we saw with
(35:34):
biden and what seemed to be whatwe were going to see with
harris.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
It's like you know, trump I, I can't.
What's a mandate that he did?
Speaker 1 (35:45):
that was dictatorship .
I don't.
I have no idea I have no ideahe was in office for four years,
I mean, I don't remember himever being a dictator.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
And that's where, like, I can't think of anything.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Maybe that's not unfair, maybe they're the only
dictatorship that I remember wasa vaccine mandate.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
That was put in by Joe Biden.
Yes, and that's the thing islike they make this argument
that Trump's such a dictator.
But when I look at whathappened post-COVID 2021, 2022,
with the vaccine mandate, youknow you're going to lose your
job if you don't consent totaking this vaccine.
That's not even fully approvedyet.
And then the censorship thatwas occurring for doctors they
(36:20):
took away people's medicallicenses across the country for
showing different data andhaving a different medical
opinion.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
They took away the ability to debate something that
was so critical for people toknow in that vaccine.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yes, and it's so dangerous to think about.
I don't want to go to aphysician who is only telling me
what the people 15 steps abovehim are telling him to say.
I want to go to a physician whois taking what they learned in
med school, thinking criticallyand analyzing me as a patient
and making recommendations forme as a patient.
Not what you know necessarilyis coming from up above.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
And that's where remember how we used to say all
doctors must think the same.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Well, wait, wait a minute.
And if you don't think the same,we're going to take your board
license.
We're going to silence you onthis.
There's going to be deaththreats to you, like that was
more dictatorship than anythingI have ever seen from Trump.
And to your point of themsaying we've got to take down X
and we've got to stop thisconversation, and there were
some other things that they hadsaid specifically to Trump
(37:29):
supporters.
I'm just like you want to talkabout dictatorship, like my gosh
.
That is coming from the left,it is not coming from the right.
This notion of you know thatMadison Square Garden rally you
brought that up.
I mean that was so insulting, Ithink, to everybody there.
There were Jewish flags hangingin Madison Square.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Garden.
Oh saying it was a nazi rally,yeah it was like what that was a
hugely diverse crowd.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
There were seriously jewish flags flying, israel
flags flying, and it's like itmakes no sense and yet that is
the headline and the rhetoricand the belief of so many people
, and it's so confusing yeah,yeah, and, and that's the
frustrating is a better word,it's.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
It's not confusing, it's frustrating I call it
brainwashing because it itdoesn't seem like it is, but
you're just so convicted inthese, in these things like, oh
no, that's what he is, becauseI've been, I've heard this over
and over and over and over again.
The thing is, if you can, ifyou literally repeat the lie
over and over and over again, itbecomes truth, truth, right,
(38:31):
and it sets in.
People will say the same thing.
Trump continues to deny the2020 election.
He said it over and over andover and over again and they
called it the big lie, and theleft will literally say the
exact same thing.
It has become truth for peopleon the right-hand side.
Well, dude, here's.
The thing is that there wasevidence upon evidence of how
(38:55):
was the 2020 election reallyinfluenced?
It was the fact that themainstream media knew about the
Hunter Biden laptop andcompletely suppressed it.
There were 51 FBI agents thatsigned off and said that this
was something that was put inplace by Russia, and it was a
complete falsehood.
That was a complete lie, and sodid that manipulate voters at a
(39:21):
crucial time when they werepotentially making a decision,
absolutely.
And so this is how we can saythe election was not fair in
2020, because there wasdeception, manipulation and
proven malice-ness that happenedfrom the left to literally
suppress information, and thisis what we're talking about in
(39:43):
terms of censorship and howcensorship can brainwash you
into not knowing what the realtruth is, and we can't get away
from that.
And, in my opinion, that typeof conversation has a higher
priority in terms of our overallhealth of a country than some
(40:04):
of the main issues that were putforward on the left.
But here's the great thing aboutthis election is that the right
side had so many reasons tovote for the right side.
The left side had two, in myopinion, two reasons to vote for
the left.
It was Trump derangementsyndrome.
You hate Trump, so I'm notvoting for Trump because I hate
(40:24):
the guy.
Valid, fine, totally.
I heard that so many times.
It's totally fine.
If that's the way you felt,great, you know what it's.
It's really hard to change that.
You have to have a willingnessto like look past it you.
But if you don't have awillingness to it, whatever, and
we call it trump derangementsyndrome and it's a serious
condition.
Second, it was the abortion, inwhich you you put forth a very
(40:46):
good counter argument of okay, I.
I think that is still a veryimportant issue for many, many
people, and I and I will neversay that it's not.
I think it's extremelyimportant.
But those are the two issuesthat they put forward, the right
put forward.
How many issues?
The border, the economy foreignpolicy foreign policy.
(41:12):
Peace through strength, men andwomen's through strength, men
and women's sports.
Men and women's sports, in myopinion, health, remembering the
health and vaccine mandates.
I mean they didn't really putforward, like they didn't really
talk about the vaccine stuff,that like at all.
Trump didn't talk about it all.
But no, it was just the chronicdisease epidemic.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
And that's where trump trump did a good job of
that.
Actually, I will say, becauseRFK is definitely more outspoken
and that stuff and Trump wasvery much like I'm going to
bring RFK on board.
There is 100% of chronicdisease epidemic in this country
.
It is skyrocketing.
It is irrefutable.
You look at the numbers acrossthe board, it is frightening.
And that was where he left it.
And that was where he left it.
(41:47):
He's like when we get in office, we'll put RFK in place and
he's going to figure it out.
I'm not going to say it's this,I'm not going to say it's that,
I'm not going to say it's this,but it's undeniable that we
have a chronic disease epidemicin this country.
Our kids are way less healthytoday than they were 20, 40, 50
years ago.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Right and there's statistics to actually prove
that 100% and all the newillness and diseases that are
coming about is mind boggling.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
You know there are diseases that kids are being
diagnosed with today that didnot exist before in prior
generations, and so something weare doing is changing the
health of our children and ofour people in this country is
changing the health of ourchildren and of our people in
this country, and if you compareus to other countries that did
a great job of this as well, asfar as pharmaceutical
consumption and chronic health,we should be at the top.
You know this is America, firstworld country.
I mean, we should be at the topand we are not.
(42:44):
We are dwindling down, we aredeclining and our life
expectancy is also going down.
So I think he did a phenomenaljob of bringing light to that
issue without alienating peoplewith predetermined consensus of
what is the cause right.
I think he did a great job ofthat.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah, and so there were a number of reasons why
someone would want to vote forthe Republicans and that was
clearly the case is that therewasn't just one or two reasons
for people to vote forRepublicans here.
There were many, many, andthere were not enough reasons
for people to vote for theDemocrats, and one of the
biggest things that I think wasa big misstep was that Kamala
(43:26):
Harris could not admit a faultof her last three and a half
years.
Was there something that youguys did, or Joe Biden did, that
you would do differently?
And she said no, I don't thinkso.
There's nothing that comes tomind.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
She had a lot of misses and I think that came
from the parties wanting toprotect Joe Biden.
The party refuses to admit thatthey were wrong or that Joe
Biden's mental capacity has beendeclining.
They refuse to acknowledge thator admit it, or that Joe Biden
mental capacity has beendeclining.
They refuse to acknowledge thator admit it, even though the
whole country knows which is whythey replaced him.
Literally everybody in thiscountry knows that Joe Biden was
(43:58):
not capable of running anotherfour years or being in office
for another four years.
He's not capable of being inoffice right now.
I bet you majority of Americafeels that way.
I bet you majority of Democratsfeel that way, but the party
itself refuses to acknowledgethat and instead talks about how
he's had the greatestpresidency in modern history.
And it's like huh.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
They should not have done that.
They should literally have saidlook, Joe Biden has been on the
decline.
We noticed it early.
We had a huge kumbaya and weall got together and said, look,
this is time, it's time to passthe torch and you can't be
ashamed of that.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
They would be pressed to pinpoint when they started
acknowledging.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
That's why the media has been trying to get Kamala
Shepard.
They backed themselves in thecorner.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
She was in a tough place of the party has not
acknowledged this, and so, ashis current VP, what was she
going to criticize?
But it was a huge miss for herfrom a campaign standpoint.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
But this is the problem is that when you tell so
many lies on the left-hand side, when you don't admit what's
actually happening and you painta glossy picture of something
else happening, you can't win,you can't.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yeah, you miss your opportunity, you totally miss it
.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
The only way forward is through transparency and
being truthful and stop tellinglies.
Now again, I can literallyenvision someone listening to
this and being like Jason.
Donald Trump tells so many lies, lies and lies and lies.
I literally have heard that tooright, we have to get to a
point where the truth is thenorm.
(45:31):
People are transparent.
It was the lies and thedeception that the left put in
play and it got the result thatthey got, and that's it.
It got the result that they got.
They broke so much.
(45:51):
They sold us on fear.
This is what's going to happenif Donald Trump gets in.
Well, hey, the American peopleis smarter than that, because we
remember, just four years ago,donald Trump did not get us in
the new wars.
Donald Trump was not a dictator.
Donald Trump did not do thesethings that you keep saying that
he's going to do, and so we had, we had a memory on that, and
(46:14):
so your lies didn't work andthey saw right through it.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Well, and so that's what's so unique about about
this election is, in essence,they were both really seeking
second terms.
Granted Kamala was a vicepresident, but they both had
four years in the White House,and so voters could literally
look and say, well, here wasTrump's four years, here was
Biden Harris four years, andactually look as a comparison.
And that hasn't we have.
(46:39):
As Americans, we have not hadthat opportunity.
And what did you say?
Over a hundred and some.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
No, we've never.
We've.
It's never happened, for we'vehad two competing presidents
that have actually been inoffice before.
It has never happened.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Okay, but what has happened is the president had a
gap term where they were inoffice, then got voted out, then
got voted back in.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Right, and that was Grover Cleveland 136, 132 years
ago or something.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
So this literally has not.
It's never been a thing for us,and that made this super unique
, because you literally had twolive examples of Trump and
office Kamala in office Right,so she really needed to separate
herself from the currentadministration.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Yeah, and she couldn't, she couldn't and she
couldn't.
I think this was a really goodwrap up of everything.
Anything else you want to add,you can think of.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
I imagine we will probably keep talking about this
as things continue to develop.
I don't think this was a winfor Republicans, for us, and I
truly believe, a win for themajority of America.
Not everyone feels that way,but I do think that it was and I
do think over time, more andmore people will see that.
But I think there are so manychallenges ahead, and so I
(47:51):
imagine we will probably keeptalking about this as those
challenges present themselves.
I think as we started thispodcast, kamala hadn't conceded
yet, so you know, there's aconcession.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
But he's projected.
He has been announced, likeeverywhere, that he is, but yeah
, yeah, there's still a holdoutthat she hasn't like spoken yet.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
You know the States still need to certify, he still
needs to get sworn in.
His life is at risk, he said,to assassination attempts.
So you know there's there's alot that could happen, and it's
not like he goes in officetomorrow.
So now, when you look atforeign policy in the world, you
know we've got essentially twomore months of this
administration and everybodyknowing it's going to be vastly
(48:31):
different come January 20th, andso does that make these next
two months potentially morevolatile or more at risk, maybe
you know.
So I think this was a good wrapup, but I think we're far from
we're far from done.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
You know, there's.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
There's a lot that's that's going to be happening.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
I want.
I want to add another piece.
There's a lot that's going tobe happening.
I want to add another piece.
I've had a ton of fun talkingabout this political season over
the last, since really, theassassination attempt I mean, I
started a little bit prior tothat, but really the
assassination the first oneexploded.
It for me Because, again, Ilook at Donald Trump as he is
(49:08):
the greatest leader of all time,and I say this because I
respect the work ethic, Irespect the way he has not given
up.
You talk about any hero storywhere it is, you've got a guy
who is going against everythingthe David and Goliath.
I mean I look at him as this isDavid Goliath is the machine of
(49:31):
the US government and theDemocrats and all of the things
that went against Donald.
And he never gave up.
Man we're talking about, thisis his third election.
He never gave up and that isundeniably admirable gave up and
that is undeniably admirable.
And we were just seeing hislast week of rallies Dude he was
(49:54):
.
He had three rallies in, likethere were the last four days.
He had three rallies in a day.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
Yes, he was heading to a third rally at like 11
o'clock at night 72?
Speaker 1 (50:06):
The guy's work ethic and it's 72 years old.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
He's older than that, I thought.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
Is he older 76?
Let's check real quick,important number.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
It is he's 78, babe Fuck.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
This guy, at 78 years old, is doing this type of
activity that I, at 35, wouldhave a hard time doing.
That is un-fucking-believableand it deserves.
Did he earn this?
Did he earn this?
He fucking earned it.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Yeah, he fucking earned it hustled and pushed
through the hardest.
I mean, his own party wasagainst him in 2016.
You know, he didn't have thesupport of the republicans in
2016.
He didn't have the support ofthe media the Republicans.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
It's the greatest comeback story of all time.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
He's so inspiring.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
It is the greatest comeback story of all time and
it's something that you have toacknowledge.
You have to respect it.
If you hate him, that's fine,but look at the work ethic and
how inspirational that is.
Because you know what?
If I never give up, I can neverfail.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
Yeah, he just showed that, I mean.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
And what is entrepreneurship?
Not giving up?
And what is providing for yourfamily?
Not giving up and just keepgoing and finding different ways
to go about it.
When you know what your goal isand when you're convicted on
achieving your goal, no matterwhat happens, if you never give
(51:37):
up, you will never fail.
And Donald Trump showed thatand it's hard to say like he's
an evil man.
That was just unbelievable andit was so fun to watch, it was
so fun to comment on publiclyand I found some great new
(51:58):
friendships and built deeperbonds with people.
I've lost some people.
I actually, in the last day, Ilost 20-some followers on
Instagram and you know, does ithurt me a little bit?
Sure, Of course.
Of course, Nobody ever wants tobe put in that position.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Nobody wants to be disliked.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
Nobody likes to be disliked, but, at the end of the
day, those people can come backif they want to.
I will welcome you back anytime, and I hope that I can have a
chance to be back in your worldtoo.
But, in my opinion, I thinkthat what we are doing is
correct, and I think, no matterwhat the result is, you're going
(52:39):
to get backlash, but if youjust keep pushing forward, you
can't fail, and so it's notalways going to be sunshines and
rainbows, and Donald Trumpclearly showed that to us.
Anybody that wants to speakabout politics and have an
opinion, you put yourself in thearena.
You're going to get backlash.
You're going to get people thatwant to dislike you, that want
to take you down.
(53:00):
That's just part of the game,and can you get comfortable
being in that position and stillmoving forward is a learned
skill, and so, anyways, I'mexcited to continue the
conversation.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
Me too yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Awesome.
All right, I guess we'll cut it.
All right, all right, thanksfor listening.
If you found any value in theshow, please share it.
And, yeah, I hope you listen tothis one and I hope and I hope
you do share it.
I think there's a lot of goodcommentary, I think there's a
lot of takeaways from thiselection that we can learn from,
(53:38):
and please let us know if yougot any feedback.
We would.
We would really greatlyappreciate it and we would love
to hear from you.
All right, thanks everyone.
We'll see you on the next show.
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