November 13, 2024 • 47 mins
Today's episode dives into our spiritual journey back to faith. Our conversation explores that impact of the 2024 presidential election and how it offered the evidence Jason needed to rediscover his abandoned faith.
We hope that our story offers others an opportunity to become curious about God and encourages you to go explore.
A truly relatable episode.
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Jason Wagner (00:00):
Welcome back to another episode of the Real Life
Investing Podcast with Jasonand Rachel Wagner.
Today we're going to go into adifferent topic.
We haven't talked about thisyet Religion and finding your
faith and kind of going throughan experience that we just did
as a family this last weekendand I think I want to personally
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kind of share that wholeexperience.
So, rach, going into it, you'vealways wanted to kind of get
back to church, maybe kind ofexplain where you've been on
your whole faith journey andkind of where us as a family
kind of stood and kind of whereus as a family kind of stood
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prior to this last weekend.
Rachel Wagner (00:48):
Okay, well, for the most part I grew up Catholic
but never really felt aconnection to the Catholic
Church and prior to gettingconfirmed in eighth grade, I
told my mom I really don't wantto do this, I don't feel the
connection, and she honored thatand so really from there I
didn't go to church anymoreafter eighth grade and you kind
of had a similar yeah, very muchso, yeah, very much so, which
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is?
kind of interesting.
But then, you know, grew intoadulthood, never, never,
attended church, high school,even really college, a couple
services at Augustana, which wasa Lutheran college.
I even went to a Catholicschool, for my master's also
didn't attend church.
And then, after we got married,I just had an interest in
returning to church.
I knew I didn't want to go backto the Catholic church, but I
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wanted to find a faith communityand started kind of looking
around.
We tried a place in Ravenswoodwhen we lived there for a while,
but it was really hard for uswhen we lived in the city
because we moved so much when welived there for a while.
But it was really hard for uswhen we lived in the city
because we moved so much andit's like I didn't see us
attending church across town ifwe were to move, and so it kind
of like got pushed to the sideas like not a priority because
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it just didn't really make senseand your schedule wasn't really
going to allow for us to attendtogether.
And so it was like, am I goingto attend by myself?
Probably not, unless I likereally found like true community
, but the likelihood of thatjust seemed like it wasn't going
to happen.
So it just kind of passively orjust kind of became a very
passive interest, I would say.
And then earlier this year, asI was doing the audition stuff I
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definitely like, found mypersonal connection back to God
and to faith and I prayed a lotthroughout that entire process
of the Holy Bible app and wasdoing like woman devotionals
every day and even prayingbackstage in auditions with my
audition partner whose name wasalso Rachel, and so that was
really like where myreconnection started, I think
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was earlier this year.
We have some great friends tothank for that as well, and so
I've just continued to sharewith you that I would like us to
get back into the church.
We're raising our children theChristian faith, they're going
to a Christian school and ourchildren love the Bible and love
Jesus.
I mean, they read theirchildren's Bible every night.
It is just the sweetest thing.
They pray, they pray beforedinner, they pray sometimes at
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bedtime and they talk aboutJesus all the time.
You know it's really a part oftheir life and so it's just kind
of made sense for it to be apart of our life as well.
But man, looking for churchesis a hard.
It's a hard thing to do.
It's not easy, especially whenyou've been disconnected for a
long time.
People are like what do youwant?
And I'm like I don't reallyknow.
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I mean, I really only knowCatholic service, right, and so
it's.
I think I wantnon-denominational.
Jason Wagner (03:30):
Christian and they're like well, do you want
contemporary, Do you wanttraditional?
Rachel Wagner (03:32):
I don't know.
It's hard to know.
Do you want big, do you wantsmall?
I'm like, well, I don't reallythink I like the mega church
idea, but I don't know Right.
And so, anyways, there'sseveral families at the school
that we go to attend this church, the Orchard in Arlington
Heights, and so I've beentelling you for probably months
it would make sense for us totry this, it would make sense
for us to try this, and it wouldalso make sense for us to try
the church at the school thatour kids go to.
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But I just know that a lot ofthe families at the school go to
this other church.
There's a huge community.
There's big youth community.
It's newer and they havecontemporary service.
Versus the church at our schoolis much more traditional.
Old school may not be the bestlong-term fit for us.
So, yeah, it's, it's been inthe back of our mind for a while
.
I put it in the back of yourmind for a while and then last
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week you were just like I wantto go to church on Sunday.
I was like what, let's do it,it's on the calendar, let's go
yeah, and so we did it, we did,we went.
Jason Wagner (04:27):
We went on sunday yesterday and it was fun.
It was actually.
It was a really, reallyenjoyable experience.
And when we went to that megachurch, sometimes you feel like
maybe the impression is is thatyou're probably gonna get lost
in the shuffle here, and thatwas gonna be okay if we got lost
in the shuffle, but at the sametime I also didn't feel that
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way at all you know I metseveral and granted I, you know,
email them and in advance theysay like if you're new, like
reach out.
Rachel Wagner (04:57):
So you know, we know that you're coming and come
to the front desk so we canmeet you.
So we did those things rightand that absolutely helps.
Jason Wagner (05:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think, as I'm kind of thinking
about this a little bit deeperright now, I think what you hit
on really was that I think ourkids are a really big play into
me wanting to start being open,to being curious again.
You know, and I think I thinkthat's a that's a thing is you
have to want to be curious Ifeel like that's a thing for any
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subject, and to me it seemedlike this was something that was
really missing out of our wholelife.
Is that we get the business.
We have a family.
You know things are going well.
You know we feel prettyconfident in, you know, kind of
our own personal stuff.
You know we've kind of grownpersonally just because we made
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it through the pandemic.
We kind of went against thegrain.
We've gotten to be a little bitmore outspoken and just having
some confidence in that, and Ithink that you know that that's
a growth journey, and I feellike the missing layer here was,
you know what, what was drivingus to do all that Well, I think
a lot of it was was from within.
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You know it was just a.
You know you're an entrepreneur, you were in real estate and,
like you're a business owner,and so you just you drive to,
you know, accomplish thesethings.
And I'll never forget this.
I think it was Amanda Lee whosaid, well, Jason, where's that
drive come from?
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And I was like, well, it's me.
And what she was actuallytrying to teach me at the time
was that, no, I wasn't.
You know, there's a morepowerful force that is helping
you with all that.
And so I think I was just like,dude, I'm missing.
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I'm missing a big core elementhere.
And how come?
I recognize some of my otherfriends that are really into
their churches and they do a lotof you, you know, they just
spend a lot of time there andthey meet some really great
people.
And I'm like, man, why aren'twe doing that, you know?
And I feel like now that we'veactually, you know, going back
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to your point of you know, it'sreally hard to go to a church if
you're just going to be rentingand if you're just kind of like
moving all the time, which Iget, and so we don't have that
excuse anymore, right?
So so I think a lot of it itreally kind of stemmed from one
it was my kids, seeing theirexcitement around Jesus and God
and and just learning all thatstuff.
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And it's just so cute, man,it's just so cute when they
practice prayer at dinnertime.
It was like the cutest thing inthe world and you know you want
to help support them on that.
So so, yeah, so I'm really gladwe did that.
It was, it was reallyenlightening.
And prior to us actually going,I had posted on social media.
I said you know what?
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I'm going to go take my familyto church this Sunday.
And here's one thing that Inever, ever expected.
I probably got.
I probably got like 10 messagesfrom different people saying
wow, man, I'm so happy for you,like I'm really excited for you
and your family to go do that.
And it was just different peopleyou know, sharing insight into
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their own faith journey, intoyou know how to identify, you
know potential candidates forchurches, and then just others
just sharing.
You know that they were excitedand I think that a lot of what
I recognize from thatperspective is that these people
had already gone through liketheir kind of own spiritual
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journey and because they wereable to find Jesus, or find God
in a way where he really spoketo them, it changed everything.
And they're excited to seeothers start that same thing,
and so I kind of look at it froma perspective of like.
Start, that same thing, and soI kind of look at it from a
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perspective of like.
When we were doing 75 hard, wealmost treated 75 hard as like
our religion, you know.
We thought it was such well,it's kind of like the blueprint
for a lot of success and likehow to get mentally stronger and
to gain confidence and to getin shape and to just develop
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discipline, and I think it's areally good blueprint or
blueprint for success.
And we see a lot of successfulpeople that have gone through
that program and have done it.
And so what do we try to do?
We try to influence people todo that program and I made it a
goal of mine last year toinfluence over 100 people to do
that program.
I don't think I got to ahundred, but I got to like 50,
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50 directly, which was supercool, and I've seen them all
grow, you know, into a much moreconfident person if they did
complete the program.
Now, of those 50, it wasn't alot of them that actually
completed it right, it was justa small, small percentage.
So I guess I kind of look at itfrom that perspective, where
it's like this is something thatis it's missing.
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It seems like there's a proventrack and you know, I'm, I'm,
I'm ready to be curious about it.
Rachel Wagner (10:17):
Right.
Can you identify what it wasfor you that that made you last
week say I'm going to church.
I want to go to church thisweekend?
I mean, it was you werecommitted, it was we're going.
Yeah, it was the election.
Jason Wagner (10:32):
It was the election.
I think I've been very hesitantto be a believer in something
more powerful than us.
And growing up catholic I mean,I I knew the stories right and
I knew the basics.
But to me, as I've kind of, youknow, been back here and there
on some weddings, we've been tosome Catholic masses and things
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like that, and it's just.
It's so ritual, right, it's allabout the ritual.
And when?
The ritual?
When you find out that there issomething very troubling within
the Catholic church from themolestation of all those little
boys and children.
You know that was many years agowhen that story broke, but that
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completely shattered everythingthat I wanted to know about it.
And I don't blame myself forwanting to not want to be
involved because it's disgusting, man, of all that stuff that
was going on, it was justcompletely disgusting.
But does that, but does theissues that happened within the
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Catholic church mean thatthere's not a greater power?
And I think that's where I gotit confused.
Right, I think that's where Igot it confused and I needed
something that was more reallife events.
It's kind of like changing yourmind on vaccines a little bit
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right, okay, okay, you know.
A little bit right, okay, okay,you know, hear me out here,
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right, because you kind of needsomething concrete to make you
say I am not going to do thatthing, right, or I am not going
to believe what you told me.
Okay, the government told usthe vaccine was safe and
effective and you have to get it.
You're going to get canned,right, and there's a small
percentage of people thatactually were able to withstand
that and say no, it's because wefound out other information,
like you know.
But it's like I, we needed somereal life evidence here to kind
of prove that what we've alwaysthought had been wrong, or I'm
kind of like confusing myself alittle bit, but you know what
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I'm kind of going after.
I need something very concreteto show me that God is real,
jesus is real and the power isthere.
And I think I saw that withDonald Trump.
It's fucking nuts to say, butit's really not, because we all
saw it on tv.
This man was up on stagetalking to a crowd at a rally
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and there's a shooter that firedhow many shots?
Five shots or something andtrump turned his head at the
very last second, millise,millimit, millisecond, to avoid
that bullet from blowing hishead off.
Rachel Wagner (13:28):
Yeah, and that is wild.
Like the details of that arewild, because I remember them
talking to the people backstageand how, oh, he was going off
script.
He wasn't going off histeleprompter anymore and he was
asking them to pull up thischart that he normally pulls up
later in his speeches.
And so he it wasn't evensomething you know that he
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typically did in in his speech.
He just decided he was going totalk about the chart right away
.
He's like where's that chart?
You know, where's that chart?
I'll pull that out.
Oh, there it is, you know.
And when you think about, like,the things that had to have
occurred in order for him to getthat that head turn right at
that millisecond, it does feelvery like divine intervention.
Jason Wagner (14:08):
I mean there's no other explanation.
There's no explanation.
And when you see something likethat happen in front of your
eyes, to me that was unspeakable.
I mean, that's just, we weremilliseconds away from being in
a completely different state and, in my opinion, god is the one
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that spared his life that day,because Donald Trump is the one
that is supposed to lead ournation into a different
direction, and so he was spareddirection, and so he was spared.
But that's not the only pieceof it, because that's when I was
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like, oh damn, we just saw thatand yeah, that's God for sure.
But then we got the electionresults.
And it's not only sparingsomeone's life, but it's also
changing of the minds ofmillions of people.
Just four years ago, we votedto get rid of Donald Trump.
Just four years ago we wantedto go with the left, we wanted
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this man out of our lives, andnow he just won in an
overwhelmingly fashion.
And it's because the minds ofmillions of people have changed.
And it's one thing for God tochange, to shift your head, to
have you have this weird jerkreaction to miss a bullet that
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flies by your head.
But I think it's extremelytough to have the minds of
millions of people change.
Because, at the end of the day,I think that this last election
was the difference between goodand evil, and I think the good
prevailed.
And to me, I think that ifyou're missing out on an
opportunity to go explore, youhave been presented with these
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two pieces.
I'm calling these two world uhevents that say there is a
higher power, and if you'remissing the opportunity to take
those events and run with it, Ithink it's a missed chance.
And so that's why I felt sostrongly about wanting to go.
It was because this was thereal world, physical evidence
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that I needed to feel a lot morecomfortable, and people
listening to this could probablybe like dude, you're nuts man.
I can't believe you think oflike Donald Trump, like that.
I can't believe that.
You think that he is the onewho's you know that God put in
place to do all these things.
And yeah, I mean it could beperceived nuts, you know, but
it's actually helped me get alot closer, you know, and so you
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may not agree with it, which isfine, but it's actually helped
me so much, helped me a lot justto get past the, the previous.
You know, there is no reallyhigher power.
There's really nothing, nothingthere.
It's just logic, right, and andI've always just been such a
logic driven person.
And but here's the funny thingis that to me, these, these two,
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these two events are, are verylogical, and it's led me to a
logical explanation of like,yeah, no, there is a higher
power, because we just saw it.
Rachel Wagner (17:15):
What was it like being in a church service, I
mean really for the first time.
I mean at least, aside fromweddings, at least six years.
Jason Wagner (17:26):
It was very emotional for me.
From weddings at least sixyears, it was very emotional for
me.
First off, I've never reallybeen to a contemporary how would
you call this Christian yeah,contemporary, contemporary
Christian service where there'sa live band and they're singing
these holy songs which I'venever heard before.
But just that, I looked aroundthe room and you just kind of
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look at the passion of everybody, that's, that's there and and I
don't know if they've heardthese songs before, but they
it's like karaoke a little bit.
They had the lyrics up on thescreen so you could sing along
and what stood out to me mostlywas that boy.
There's a lot of people thatare really, just really into
this and I thought that wasreally cool.
I thought that was really cool.
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I thought that was really coolto me.
I think those emotional likeholy songs, as well called is
they were able to help like tapinto another level of me where I
actually saw flashes of thepeople that were previously in
my life that kind of leaned onthe side of God, and one of them
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was my grandfather, passed awaymany years ago, and I remember
when I was maybe like I don'tknow how old I was when he died.
Oh, I guess you were around,right, so 20, maybe like 23 or
so, 24.
How old?
Yeah, I remember one of ourlast, one of our last
conversations before he passedaway.
He had asked me if I believedin god and I said, honestly,
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grandpa, I I'm having a hardtime with that and he's like
that's okay.
He's like chances are is thatonce you get older you're going
to start being a believer.
And and I thought he meant likehis age, you know, into his
nineties.
But no, it was only you know,it was it only took him to my
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thirties, here, 35.
And so I, I reflected on thatand then, you know, I had a.
I had a godfather, who he was,you know, I had a godfather who
he was blind his entire lifefrom a boating accident and at
least the entire life that Iknew him Previously to his
boating accident, from myunderstanding is that he was a
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pretty sharp guy and he was fit,he could work with his hands,
he was really smart, he could doa lot of things.
But he went out water skiingwith some friends and they went
to go pick him up after he felland the propeller got him and he
was blind for the rest of hislife.
Well, he was my godfather andyou know I had a relationship
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with him, but it was it was onlyin the times of when, you know,
we would see each other onholidays or or just some family
parties, but it wasn't reallythat deep until it was the day
before his funeral that I had a,an interesting dream in which I
had to share this with my, myaunt, and I wrote it down for
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her because I told her at thefuneral.
I said, hey, I had a, I had avision last night about Bob, and
so the thing, at least for mewhen that was going on, was that
still, I mean, I was, I wasn'treally that much of a believer
still, even at the time, andthis wasn't even that long ago,
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because it was a dream and Idon't put a lot of weight on
dreams because they can be kindof crazy and you know you dream
of all kinds of stuff, right butthis one was actually the
coincidence was was very eeriebecause it was the day before
his funeral.
So clearly I was thinking abouthim.
But I just remember the dreamwas basically me watching him
from afar as he's walkingthrough a field, and you know
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it's before his accident, so sohe's, he doesn't have, you know,
the, the glasses that he alwayswore to cover his eyes.
You know he is, he's free, andI see him basically starting to
like levitate into the air and,and I'm not close right, so I'm,
I mean, imagine, a field andthere's only one thing in that
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field and it's him walking, andI'm, you know, from a far
distance away, even if I triedto yell, he couldn't hear me.
But I see him walking and thenall of a sudden he starts
levitating into the air, almostlike he was.
He was like ascending intoheaven, it was.
It was crazy and I remember itvery vividly, like almost like
you would be abducted by aliens,type thing.
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But once he got to the top,there was, there was a top,
there was a top and there was adoor, and he knocked on the door
and the door opened and hewalked in.
So so again, I shared that withmy aunt and I wrote it down for
her so that she could alwaysremember it too.
But again, I didn't put a lot ofweight on dreams because I
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needed something more likephysically concrete to say that
this is real.
And then you know, and what'sreally interesting is that, as I
was kind of mentioning that,there's been a number of people
that reached out.
You know that kind ofcongratulated me on, like hey,
dude, you know hey.
I kind of congratulated me onlike, hey, dude, I'm, you know,
hey, I'm really happy thatyou're going on this journey.
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If there's anything I can do,you know we're here to help.
If you ever want to talk aboutit, we're here to help.
I mean, I again I was just justtotally blown away at how many
people are actually out thereand you may not even realize it
either you know that they've allkind of gone down this little,
this little road.
But there was another guy.
He was my old neighbor and hisname was Josh, and Josh and I
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used to hang out all the time,like probably freshman year in
high school, and the one thing Ireally remembered about Josh
was that boy Josh was alwaysbusy, like going to his church
and he was always doingactivities and you know, we
would hang out a lot.
But then all of a sudden hefound his church and then he,
like he kind of we just kind oflike parted ways, you know, and
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I shit you not.
But Josh messaged me thismorning.
I haven't talked to this guy insince I was in high school and
he messaged me this morning andhe said Dude, I'm so happy for
you.
And I was like, dude, I thoughtabout you the other day when I
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was there, because you were oneof the people that like had God
in their world.
That I remember.
And I just wasn't there.
And of course, I wasn't shockedTo me this morning.
I was not shocked that I heardfrom Josh.
I haven't talked to him inyears, but I'm not shocked that
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I heard from Josh.
How cool is that?
Yeah, that's pretty wild timing.
I mean we went to churchyesterday yesterday and and of
course I'm very you know, ifanybody follows me on social
media, I always say I'm verytransparent and I post about
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everything.
And I had never, I had neverknown, maybe Josh had never
followed my stuff.
I don't know, I didn't evenknow that Josh looked at my
stuff, never had any, not muchinteraction with him.
If I were to look historically,maybe there's something, but
again, within the last few years, no, nothing, nothing concrete
at least.
But to get that message thismorning, I was not shocked.
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I was not, I just wasn't, Iwasn't shocked.
I'm like, of course I'm hearingfrom Josh, of course, because
Josh at 14, he said he turned toGod and he said he found him
then and he's lived by it eversince and you know, I think he's
done a lot of really, reallytremendous things and I'm
interested to hear more abouthis story.
But again, I just wasn'tshocked.
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I was like, of course, right,so these are kind of like the
real world things that to me, Ijust needed to solidify it and I
think I got it.
I think it's also interestingthat you know, I made the
comment that this was theelection between good and evil,
and there are people thatperhaps maybe voted on the left
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and the reason that they votedon the left is because they said
that their morals are there,and sometimes I actually
question the morals because whatI've recognized is that people
are canceling relationships overif you voted left or right.
People are cancelingfriendships, canceling family
members, and to me, if you go tothat degree maybe somebody that
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you've always loved or somebodythat you've always cared for
and you go to that degree of Ican no longer have this person
in my life, whether you're leftor right, because I've thought
about this too.
I was like boy.
I can no longer have thisperson in my life, whether
you're left or right, becauseI've thought about this too.
I was like boy.
I can't believe that personthinks that way.
I feel like we've lost.
We've lost, really, themorality in things and we need
to return to some type offaith-based.
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We need to have faith in ourlife, because I think that
there's a lot of people.
I think if you were to ask ourgeneration and the younger
generation, perhaps even ourparents, are they faith-based?
I bet you that there's a bigpercentage that have probably
declined over the last 10, 20years or whatever, and I feel
like we're missing this piece,because my big takeaway the
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other day was they actually madethe message very relatable to
the political environment, andone thing he said was it's
really hard to dislike somebodyif you pray for them, and so
nobody's praying for one anotheranymore.
You know, and I think it'sbecause we've lost, potentially,
we've lost the faith, and if wecan bring back our faith, we
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can mend and we can heal and wecan see each other for our
differences and come back to analignment, which I think is
really, really important for usat this moment in time.
And so I'm recognizing thatit's almost like a calling, a
call to action for people to gorediscover your faith so that we
all can heal.
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What do you think about that?
Rachel Wagner (27:20):
There's a lot there.
I think there's a lot to besaid about the decline of
Christian faith over our parentsand our generation, and I think
the example that you gave atthe beginning with the Catholic
priests, I think really had abig impact on people, and then
just the corruption and hidingof things that existed.
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It just kind of showed thelevel of power that they had,
and so I think that was a reallybig thing that turned a lot of
people away and I think, similarto how I was saying you don't
really know where to start whenyou're looking is, I think
people just kind of felt alittle lost where to go next and
I think over time that hasimpacted our values as a people
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and as a nation.
And I too agree that much ofthis election not all, but much
of this election was choosingbetween good and evil, and I
think for some of our viewersthat isn't going to hit quite
right with them.
I think that that may sound alittle offensive and I can
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understand that, but I thinkwhen we look at the biggest
things that you know we werevoting against, we were voting
against them rooted in faith asit relates to, you know,
children, life, your body as atemple and just kind of honoring
God, and I think the disconnecthas shifted into I don't know
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exactly how I want to.
It's like I think the peoplewho did vote on the left also
believe that they did so on thebasis of morals, like you said,
and I think many, many people onthe right also did so on the
basis of morals, like you said,and I think many, many people on
the right also did so on thebasis of morals, and it's like
how it's presented and how it'ssold is kind of disguised.
Jason Wagner (29:11):
The morality is so vastly different right now.
Rachel Wagner (29:16):
It is vastly different right now and I feel
like I don't know.
I don't really want to turnthis into politics, so I'm
having a hard time discussing itwithout being too vague.
Jason Wagner (29:28):
No, I think you need to, because, again, what
drove me to this whole thing waspolitics.
It was, yeah, my kids startedit, but again, it was the events
that happened from thispolitical election that drove me
there.
Rachel Wagner (29:43):
I think talking about the kids starting is a
great example, because I thinkthat our recognition of our
faith probably really stemmedfrom having a family.
I think when you have a familyand you have children and you go
through watching life developand grow and change and you know
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, even sometimes watching life,you know, fail, there's
something very spiritual aboutthat.
I think that is where youreally can see the higher being
being present.
You know it's.
It's it's sometimes justunexplainable miracles that
happen and it's.
And that's where I think theroot of faith probably stemmed
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for us with children and I saythat because I think that is the
backbone of a strong moralsociety is the family.
And when we look at the otherside, I think that there's
really a dishonoring and, youknow, a dishonoring of family, a
dishonoring of children andkind of breaking down and
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tearing down the familystructure.
And I think over time we'restarting to see that that impact
.
We've got a lot of children whoare unhappy, a lot of children
who are struggling with mentalillness, a lot of children who
feel very lost.
People who are struggling andit's like it's not to, you know,
demonize those who have anon-traditional household.
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I grew up in a non-traditionalhousehold.
My parents got divorced andboth got remarried.
Right, it's not that it'sdemonizing that.
It's that you still want tovalue the traditional household
and I think the other side ofthings is trying to do the
opposite of that.
You know it's trying tonormalize everything but that,
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and I think there's a lot ofmoral decay that exists when a
society is made up of thenon-traditional household, if
that makes sense.
Jason Wagner (31:43):
I think that makes a lot of sense.
Honestly, I think that wasreally well put.
Rachel Wagner (31:47):
Yeah, it's hard to say because I feel like
people will be really offendedby that and I'm not trying to
say that in an offensive way andit's not to invalidate any one
person's situation because, likeI said, I came from divorced
parents who I believe shouldhave gotten divorced and, you
know, both got remarried.
But I think, having livedthrough that, I recognize in
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myself and in my siblings theamount of trauma that exists
from that and the generationalimpact that that can have.
I recognize it in my parentingand so I have said to you so
many times, you know, I neverwant us to get to the point of
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meeting a divorce because Ithink it is impactful to
everybody.
In that experience and you know, to kind of take it even a step
further, I think the harsherthings that we were voting
against this time around waswith regards to children and I
think people who are voting onthe left believed, truly
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believed, that they were votingin the best interest of the of
the children.
But I view the I'm not talkingabout the transgender stuff,
I'll just say it because I'mlike tiptoeing around it, I feel
like, but I strongly, I feelvery, very strongly against
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providing children.
Jason Wagner (33:14):
Gender affirming care AKA.
Rachel Wagner (33:19):
Yeah, puberty blockers.
Sex changes, physical changes totheir bodies as they are
developing.
We recently learned thatthere's someone that we know of
won't name drop anybody, butsomebody that we know who is
allowing their five-year-old tobe the opposite gender of how
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they were born, and I can'timagine I'm struggling to talk
about this.
It's not that I don't believethat people can be transgender.
I 100% believe people can begay or bisexual or all of these
things.
It's not that.
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It's that we are changing theirdevelopment hormonally,
pharmaceutically and sometimessurgically, physically and
permanently.
And when you listen to thestories of the people who grew
up, got through puberty, gotthrough high school, got through
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what is likely the hardestyears of their lives, and they
get up there and they're like,wow, this is not who I am, this
is not who I want to be.
I'm not happier from thisaffirming care.
In fact, I was just gay but Icouldn't verbalize to the adults
who thought they were doing theright thing for me exactly how
I felt and they misinterpretedit and now I can never have
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children and I've got all theseissues that I can never correct
and now I'm suicidal and I think, like the left, like I said, I
think they believe that they'redoing children a service by
supporting and affirming thisthrough pharmaceuticals and
surgeries and all of thesethings, because of statistics
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being shared of like.
Oh well, transgenders have thehighest suicidal rate among
teens.
And I guess I just challengepeople to ask well, is that
prior to or after or during thisalleged affirming care?
And what's the root of of thatunhappiness?
You know?
Jason Wagner (35:26):
yeah, well it's.
It's come to find out thatthere is now studies that people
that have gone throughtransition are.
They have hype they have high,high suicidal rates.
Yeah, and so we probably allhave heard this is that the
doctors had put it in phrases ofwell, do you want your son to
(35:49):
commit suicide or do you wanthim just to be a girl Right?
Rachel Wagner (35:53):
Right, yeah, or remain alive as a girl, yeah.
Jason Wagner (35:56):
Right, and they put this in the minds of parents
that well, of course I don'twant my son to commit suicide.
Yeah, okay, let's go forwardwith this.
This is just manipulation on away of you know one.
It's insanely profitable.
It's insanely profitable andwhen you understand that there's
(36:16):
when health care is stillprofit, there's very bad malice
that can go into some of theserecommendations.
And so you know, and you canspin it, and you can literally
spin it in any way that you wantto make it sound great you want
to make it right, you can.
You can do that with anything.
That's that's what sales is.
(36:36):
That's what a good salespersonis.
They can spin anything into agreat perception, and so it's up
to you to figure out what isgood salesperson is.
They can spin anything into agreat perception, and so it's up
to you to figure out what isgood and what is wrong.
And as we started to see all ofthis creep into our society,
you know that is that's the evilpart.
Right, we are mutilating thesechildren.
(36:57):
They are not old enough tounderstand the life-changing
decisions that they have beenmaking.
Maybe they say that they're oldenough, but we all know that we
, you know, our brains are stillexpanding into our twenties.
Rachel Wagner (37:14):
Yeah, it's crazy to me that we can have limits on
alcohol, tattoos, bodypiercings, driver's license
license, all of these things,voting, joining, the military,
all of these things.
But we think it's okay forminors to make decisions, to
take drugs that are alteringtheir future or worse,
physically change their body.
That was.
That was a really big one, Ithink the other big one is the
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abortion stuff.
I think it was very muchpresented this time around as
life-saving care for a woman,which I'm so appalled at the
number of people who trulyreally bought into that.
Because, again, there's not asingle state in the United
States that does not allow foran abortion in instances of the
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life of the mother.
There may be instances in whicha physician didn't malpractice,
you know, did not provide careand later said that it was out
of fear of the law.
But if you look at the actualcourt cases, those court cases
have lost and the laws in thosestates have remained upheld
because they do allow for carein terms of the life of the
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mother.
So I obviously support care forwomen in those instances and I
also support care for women ininstances of rape and incest
within a certain timeframe.
But I think where this hasgotten just out of control was
watching the DNC in Chicagoprovide abortions outside their
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conference in a trailer busthing or whatever.
It was like come to the DNC andno, by the way, go get your
abortion right outside.
It was like we've we have soblatantly taken on this topic
and it is such a sensitive one.
It's, it's and again, I trulybelieve most of America aligns
(39:10):
in this but we've.
We've somehow like gotten tothis point where we've got
people you know this is farextremes, but people chanting
and bragging about the number ofabortions they're having far
extremes, but people chantingand bragging about the number of
abortions they're having.
And we have states where it'sallowed to have this performed
in a completely viable, healthypregnancy up until the end.
(39:31):
You know this, this hashappened and the fact that that
side is devaluing life, thatmuch was a huge, major turnoff
and it's a big reason of why Ithink it was a decision between
good and evil.
Jason Wagner (39:49):
Yeah, but they lie and tell you that that's not
true.
It is true, no, it's not.
They tell you that.
They tell you it's not true,yeah.
So what do we do, right?
Is that pure evil?
That is blatantly lying to youand telling you that these
things are not actually truewhen they are.
Rachel Wagner (40:08):
Well, they lie to us a lot.
Yeah, they lie a lot.
Jason Wagner (40:12):
And that's the hard part.
Right, that's the hard part.
And so there were so manyinstances when you start to
think about this election cycleand what were the major issues
that we were talking about, boyman, this is an opportunity for
so many people in this countryto go back to faith and to find
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their faith and to be aroundpeople that are actively
searching it too, because Ithink that a lot of us are, at
the same level, been absent fora while, been absent for a long
time, and there's others thathave been on this journey that
can be the leaders and thetrailblazers for some of us that
are kind of coming up here.
(40:53):
I just think that this is suchan important opportunity for the
vast majority of America andpeople to return to faith
because of some of the thingsthat we just experienced, and I
hope I'm not like on a honeymoonphase of this, because it just
went one time yesterday.
Right, you mentioned, are youexcited?
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I actually mentioned I wasnervous and I'm nervous because
of that.
I'm nervous because I know thatthis is the right thing to do.
I just don't want to get intoit and then all of a sudden, you
know it kind of it falls offtype thing where, like, I'm
hoping that I continue to findas we go, I hope that I can
continue to find kind of thesegracious moments that happen to
(41:37):
keep me wanting to come back,you know.
Rachel Wagner (41:39):
So yeah, Well, I think, as you said, the number
of people who reached out to youjust by telling you that you
are saying that you wanted to gonow, experiencing the number of
people who have reached outafterwards.
We met several people at theservice and I haven't even
shared with you yet that therewere two moms who came up to me
today saying I heard you went tothe orchard this weekend and
wanted to talk to me about theexperience.
(42:01):
Oh, help us find a life group.
Yeah, I think I think it willbe hard to to not keep going
with that type of community andsupport system that exists.
Jason Wagner (42:11):
So yeah, yeah, I'm excited to explore, you know,
kind of the other pieces thatthey have there and, uh, you
know, just kind of get aroundsome other people that are in
the community and you know I'mvery open about sharing this
whole thing.
I I will tell you.
If I meet you for the firsttime and you ask why I'm here, I
will say it is because of theelection.
It 100% is.
(42:32):
And if that offends you, that'sokay.
But you know what I'm here to?
To deepen my relationship withuh, with a faith, and hopefully
that doesn't offend anybody,because I think we all have
different reasons on why we gotsomewhere.
And I am going to use this as acrutch because of the things
that I laid out, which is veryconcrete evidence.
(42:53):
And that's the concreteevidence that I needed for me as
the numbers guy, me as theanalytical type person.
I need to be convinced throughsome sort of data set that shows
me that this is true.
And I think, again, we've seenit.
Rachel Wagner (43:09):
I've seen it so heavy stuff in this one yeah,
that's an interesting thing, butthat's some good stuff we've
all set out the middle part no,just we're not cutting out
anything.
Jason Wagner (43:22):
All right, guys.
Thank you for listening.
If you found any value in theshow, please share it.
We are also getting up onYouTube now.
We are posting these on ourYouTube channel, the Real Life
Investing Podcast.
I don't actually know what thelink is, but see if you can find
it.
Wish I knew YouTube Real LifeInvesting, jason and Rachel
Weiger.
You should be able to find usand subscribe to it.
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That would be cool.
Then you can actually see.
Rachel was actually crying onthis episode.
I did see a tear come down herface, so that was cool.
So maybe you'll see that onYouTube.
That's how deep thisconversation got.
You were brought the tears.
Rachel Wagner (43:57):
Yes, watching you get into this topic is
emotional for me and it was foryou too.
You mentioned it was emotional,but you did not share that.
Jason Wagner (44:07):
You were crying in service and again just
listening to those holy songs,man.
They get you, they get you andthey get you in your feelings.
But there were so many reallycool things that flashed in
(44:30):
front of my eyes that I neverexpected to see and that forced
me to turn into a wet mop.
It was unbelievable what washappening within that church
yesterday, and within me it wasalmost like I was at a funeral.
Right it was.
You know, I think that's amoment, right, that's a moment
to really remember and it waslike you had finally surrendered
(44:51):
to coming back to your faith.
Rachel Wagner (44:52):
That's what I didn't yeah that right, right,
right, right, right.
Jason Wagner (44:56):
That's what I've been wanting to actually say is
that I've been resisting for solong, again resisting because I
didn't have any logic, becauseit didn't make sense to me,
because of what was going on inthe Catholic Church.
I'd just been resisting andpeople that were closest to me
were even asking well, why doyou resist?
Well, why do you think this way?
And I would come up with someanswer that I don't know right.
(45:19):
A lot of times I can't evenexplain it, but yesterday I
decided to just lay down theresistance.
Rachel Wagner (45:26):
I'm very proud of you.
Oh, thank you.
Jason Wagner (45:29):
So I think that's my biggest takeaway.
What's your biggest takeaway?
Rachel Wagner (45:33):
I think, as I was listening to you share, like,
some details of the wholejourney, I think everyone has
their own time of when they'regoing to feel the connection.
You know, the faith I don'tthink is something that should
really be be forced.
I think I'm grateful, as I lookback over our marriage, that I
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didn't push you too hard becauseI think had I been someone who
was forcing you to go to churchall these years, I don't know
that you would have found thismoment and now, this true desire
to want to reconnect with faithand be a part of our church
community.
So I think, just recognizingthat the journey and the path is
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different for everybody andlike your grandpa said you know
he had very I don't rememberthat story, but it sounds like
he had confidence in saying,yeah, you'll find it when you
get older, you know just knowingthat you would be on a path
that would lead you there.
Jason Wagner (46:35):
Yeah, yeah, he was definitely right.
He was definitely right.
That's awesome, all right.
Well, thanks again forlistening, and if you found any
value in the show, please shareit and we will catch you on the
next episode.
Welcome back to another episode of the Real Life
Investing Podcast with Jasonand Rachel Wagner.
Today we're going to go into adifferent topic.
We haven't talked about thisyet Religion and finding your
faith and kind of going throughan experience that we just did
as a family this last weekendand I think I want to personally
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kind of share that wholeexperience.
So, rach, going into it, you'vealways wanted to kind of get
back to church, maybe kind ofexplain where you've been on
your whole faith journey andkind of where us as a family
kind of stood and kind of whereus as a family kind of stood
(00:45):
prior to this last weekend.
Rachel Wagner (00:48):
Okay, well, for the most part I grew up Catholic
but never really felt aconnection to the Catholic
Church and prior to gettingconfirmed in eighth grade, I
told my mom I really don't wantto do this, I don't feel the
connection, and she honored thatand so really from there I
didn't go to church anymoreafter eighth grade and you kind
of had a similar yeah, very muchso, yeah, very much so, which
(01:10):
is?
kind of interesting.
But then, you know, grew intoadulthood, never, never,
attended church, high school,even really college, a couple
services at Augustana, which wasa Lutheran college.
I even went to a Catholicschool, for my master's also
didn't attend church.
And then, after we got married,I just had an interest in
returning to church.
I knew I didn't want to go backto the Catholic church, but I
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wanted to find a faith communityand started kind of looking
around.
We tried a place in Ravenswoodwhen we lived there for a while,
but it was really hard for uswhen we lived in the city
because we moved so much when welived there for a while.
But it was really hard for uswhen we lived in the city
because we moved so much andit's like I didn't see us
attending church across town ifwe were to move, and so it kind
of like got pushed to the sideas like not a priority because
(01:53):
it just didn't really make senseand your schedule wasn't really
going to allow for us to attendtogether.
And so it was like, am I goingto attend by myself?
Probably not, unless I likereally found like true community
, but the likelihood of thatjust seemed like it wasn't going
to happen.
So it just kind of passively orjust kind of became a very
passive interest, I would say.
And then earlier this year, asI was doing the audition stuff I
(02:17):
definitely like, found mypersonal connection back to God
and to faith and I prayed a lotthroughout that entire process
of the Holy Bible app and wasdoing like woman devotionals
every day and even prayingbackstage in auditions with my
audition partner whose name wasalso Rachel, and so that was
really like where myreconnection started, I think
(02:39):
was earlier this year.
We have some great friends tothank for that as well, and so
I've just continued to sharewith you that I would like us to
get back into the church.
We're raising our children theChristian faith, they're going
to a Christian school and ourchildren love the Bible and love
Jesus.
I mean, they read theirchildren's Bible every night.
It is just the sweetest thing.
They pray, they pray beforedinner, they pray sometimes at
(03:02):
bedtime and they talk aboutJesus all the time.
You know it's really a part oftheir life and so it's just kind
of made sense for it to be apart of our life as well.
But man, looking for churchesis a hard.
It's a hard thing to do.
It's not easy, especially whenyou've been disconnected for a
long time.
People are like what do youwant?
And I'm like I don't reallyknow.
(03:28):
I mean, I really only knowCatholic service, right, and so
it's.
I think I wantnon-denominational.
Jason Wagner (03:30):
Christian and they're like well, do you want
contemporary, Do you wanttraditional?
Rachel Wagner (03:32):
I don't know.
It's hard to know.
Do you want big, do you wantsmall?
I'm like, well, I don't reallythink I like the mega church
idea, but I don't know Right.
And so, anyways, there'sseveral families at the school
that we go to attend this church, the Orchard in Arlington
Heights, and so I've beentelling you for probably months
it would make sense for us totry this, it would make sense
for us to try this, and it wouldalso make sense for us to try
the church at the school thatour kids go to.
(03:52):
But I just know that a lot ofthe families at the school go to
this other church.
There's a huge community.
There's big youth community.
It's newer and they havecontemporary service.
Versus the church at our schoolis much more traditional.
Old school may not be the bestlong-term fit for us.
So, yeah, it's, it's been inthe back of our mind for a while
.
I put it in the back of yourmind for a while and then last
(04:14):
week you were just like I wantto go to church on Sunday.
I was like what, let's do it,it's on the calendar, let's go
yeah, and so we did it, we did,we went.
Jason Wagner (04:27):
We went on sunday yesterday and it was fun.
It was actually.
It was a really, reallyenjoyable experience.
And when we went to that megachurch, sometimes you feel like
maybe the impression is is thatyou're probably gonna get lost
in the shuffle here, and thatwas gonna be okay if we got lost
in the shuffle, but at the sametime I also didn't feel that
(04:47):
way at all you know I metseveral and granted I, you know,
email them and in advance theysay like if you're new, like
reach out.
Rachel Wagner (04:57):
So you know, we know that you're coming and come
to the front desk so we canmeet you.
So we did those things rightand that absolutely helps.
Jason Wagner (05:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think, as I'm kind of thinking
about this a little bit deeperright now, I think what you hit
on really was that I think ourkids are a really big play into
me wanting to start being open,to being curious again.
You know, and I think I thinkthat's a that's a thing is you
have to want to be curious Ifeel like that's a thing for any
(05:27):
subject, and to me it seemedlike this was something that was
really missing out of our wholelife.
Is that we get the business.
We have a family.
You know things are going well.
You know we feel prettyconfident in, you know, kind of
our own personal stuff.
You know we've kind of grownpersonally just because we made
(05:50):
it through the pandemic.
We kind of went against thegrain.
We've gotten to be a little bitmore outspoken and just having
some confidence in that, and Ithink that you know that that's
a growth journey, and I feellike the missing layer here was,
you know what, what was drivingus to do all that Well, I think
a lot of it was was from within.
(06:11):
You know it was just a.
You know you're an entrepreneur, you were in real estate and,
like you're a business owner,and so you just you drive to,
you know, accomplish thesethings.
And I'll never forget this.
I think it was Amanda Lee whosaid, well, Jason, where's that
drive come from?
(06:31):
And I was like, well, it's me.
And what she was actuallytrying to teach me at the time
was that, no, I wasn't.
You know, there's a morepowerful force that is helping
you with all that.
And so I think I was just like,dude, I'm missing.
(06:52):
I'm missing a big core elementhere.
And how come?
I recognize some of my otherfriends that are really into
their churches and they do a lotof you, you know, they just
spend a lot of time there andthey meet some really great
people.
And I'm like, man, why aren'twe doing that, you know?
And I feel like now that we'veactually, you know, going back
(07:15):
to your point of you know, it'sreally hard to go to a church if
you're just going to be rentingand if you're just kind of like
moving all the time, which Iget, and so we don't have that
excuse anymore, right?
So so I think a lot of it itreally kind of stemmed from one
it was my kids, seeing theirexcitement around Jesus and God
and and just learning all thatstuff.
(07:35):
And it's just so cute, man,it's just so cute when they
practice prayer at dinnertime.
It was like the cutest thing inthe world and you know you want
to help support them on that.
So so, yeah, so I'm really gladwe did that.
It was, it was reallyenlightening.
And prior to us actually going,I had posted on social media.
I said you know what?
(07:55):
I'm going to go take my familyto church this Sunday.
And here's one thing that Inever, ever expected.
I probably got.
I probably got like 10 messagesfrom different people saying
wow, man, I'm so happy for you,like I'm really excited for you
and your family to go do that.
And it was just different peopleyou know, sharing insight into
(08:20):
their own faith journey, intoyou know how to identify, you
know potential candidates forchurches, and then just others
just sharing.
You know that they were excitedand I think that a lot of what
I recognize from thatperspective is that these people
had already gone through liketheir kind of own spiritual
(08:42):
journey and because they wereable to find Jesus, or find God
in a way where he really spoketo them, it changed everything.
And they're excited to seeothers start that same thing,
and so I kind of look at it froma perspective of like.
Start, that same thing, and soI kind of look at it from a
(09:03):
perspective of like.
When we were doing 75 hard, wealmost treated 75 hard as like
our religion, you know.
We thought it was such well,it's kind of like the blueprint
for a lot of success and likehow to get mentally stronger and
to gain confidence and to getin shape and to just develop
(09:24):
discipline, and I think it's areally good blueprint or
blueprint for success.
And we see a lot of successfulpeople that have gone through
that program and have done it.
And so what do we try to do?
We try to influence people todo that program and I made it a
goal of mine last year toinfluence over 100 people to do
that program.
I don't think I got to ahundred, but I got to like 50,
(09:46):
50 directly, which was supercool, and I've seen them all
grow, you know, into a much moreconfident person if they did
complete the program.
Now, of those 50, it wasn't alot of them that actually
completed it right, it was justa small, small percentage.
So I guess I kind of look at itfrom that perspective, where
it's like this is something thatis it's missing.
(10:08):
It seems like there's a proventrack and you know, I'm, I'm,
I'm ready to be curious about it.
Rachel Wagner (10:17):
Right.
Can you identify what it wasfor you that that made you last
week say I'm going to church.
I want to go to church thisweekend?
I mean, it was you werecommitted, it was we're going.
Yeah, it was the election.
Jason Wagner (10:32):
It was the election.
I think I've been very hesitantto be a believer in something
more powerful than us.
And growing up catholic I mean,I I knew the stories right and
I knew the basics.
But to me, as I've kind of, youknow, been back here and there
on some weddings, we've been tosome Catholic masses and things
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like that, and it's just.
It's so ritual, right, it's allabout the ritual.
And when?
The ritual?
When you find out that there issomething very troubling within
the Catholic church from themolestation of all those little
boys and children.
You know that was many years agowhen that story broke, but that
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completely shattered everythingthat I wanted to know about it.
And I don't blame myself forwanting to not want to be
involved because it's disgusting, man, of all that stuff that
was going on, it was justcompletely disgusting.
But does that, but does theissues that happened within the
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Catholic church mean thatthere's not a greater power?
And I think that's where I gotit confused.
Right, I think that's where Igot it confused and I needed
something that was more reallife events.
It's kind of like changing yourmind on vaccines a little bit
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right, okay, okay, you know.
A little bit right, okay, okay,you know, hear me out here,
(12:25):
right, because you kind of needsomething concrete to make you
say I am not going to do thatthing, right, or I am not going
to believe what you told me.
Okay, the government told usthe vaccine was safe and
effective and you have to get it.
You're going to get canned,right, and there's a small
percentage of people thatactually were able to withstand
that and say no, it's because wefound out other information,
like you know.
But it's like I, we needed somereal life evidence here to kind
of prove that what we've alwaysthought had been wrong, or I'm
kind of like confusing myself alittle bit, but you know what
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I'm kind of going after.
I need something very concreteto show me that God is real,
jesus is real and the power isthere.
And I think I saw that withDonald Trump.
It's fucking nuts to say, butit's really not, because we all
saw it on tv.
This man was up on stagetalking to a crowd at a rally
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and there's a shooter that firedhow many shots?
Five shots or something andtrump turned his head at the
very last second, millise,millimit, millisecond, to avoid
that bullet from blowing hishead off.
Rachel Wagner (13:28):
Yeah, and that is wild.
Like the details of that arewild, because I remember them
talking to the people backstageand how, oh, he was going off
script.
He wasn't going off histeleprompter anymore and he was
asking them to pull up thischart that he normally pulls up
later in his speeches.
And so he it wasn't evensomething you know that he
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typically did in in his speech.
He just decided he was going totalk about the chart right away
.
He's like where's that chart?
You know, where's that chart?
I'll pull that out.
Oh, there it is, you know.
And when you think about, like,the things that had to have
occurred in order for him to getthat that head turn right at
that millisecond, it does feelvery like divine intervention.
Jason Wagner (14:08):
I mean there's no other explanation.
There's no explanation.
And when you see something likethat happen in front of your
eyes, to me that was unspeakable.
I mean, that's just, we weremilliseconds away from being in
a completely different state and, in my opinion, god is the one
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that spared his life that day,because Donald Trump is the one
that is supposed to lead ournation into a different
direction, and so he was spareddirection, and so he was spared.
But that's not the only pieceof it, because that's when I was
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like, oh damn, we just saw thatand yeah, that's God for sure.
But then we got the electionresults.
And it's not only sparingsomeone's life, but it's also
changing of the minds ofmillions of people.
Just four years ago, we votedto get rid of Donald Trump.
Just four years ago we wantedto go with the left, we wanted
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this man out of our lives, andnow he just won in an
overwhelmingly fashion.
And it's because the minds ofmillions of people have changed.
And it's one thing for God tochange, to shift your head, to
have you have this weird jerkreaction to miss a bullet that
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flies by your head.
But I think it's extremelytough to have the minds of
millions of people change.
Because, at the end of the day,I think that this last election
was the difference between goodand evil, and I think the good
prevailed.
And to me, I think that ifyou're missing out on an
opportunity to go explore, youhave been presented with these
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two pieces.
I'm calling these two world uhevents that say there is a
higher power, and if you'remissing the opportunity to take
those events and run with it, Ithink it's a missed chance.
And so that's why I felt sostrongly about wanting to go.
It was because this was thereal world, physical evidence
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that I needed to feel a lot morecomfortable, and people
listening to this could probablybe like dude, you're nuts man.
I can't believe you think oflike Donald Trump, like that.
I can't believe that.
You think that he is the onewho's you know that God put in
place to do all these things.
And yeah, I mean it could beperceived nuts, you know, but
it's actually helped me get alot closer, you know, and so you
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may not agree with it, which isfine, but it's actually helped
me so much, helped me a lot justto get past the, the previous.
You know, there is no reallyhigher power.
There's really nothing, nothingthere.
It's just logic, right, and andI've always just been such a
logic driven person.
And but here's the funny thingis that to me, these, these two,
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these two events are, are verylogical, and it's led me to a
logical explanation of like,yeah, no, there is a higher
power, because we just saw it.
Rachel Wagner (17:15):
What was it like being in a church service, I
mean really for the first time.
I mean at least, aside fromweddings, at least six years.
Jason Wagner (17:26):
It was very emotional for me.
From weddings at least sixyears, it was very emotional for
me.
First off, I've never reallybeen to a contemporary how would
you call this Christian yeah,contemporary, contemporary
Christian service where there'sa live band and they're singing
these holy songs which I'venever heard before.
But just that, I looked aroundthe room and you just kind of
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look at the passion of everybody, that's, that's there and and I
don't know if they've heardthese songs before, but they
it's like karaoke a little bit.
They had the lyrics up on thescreen so you could sing along
and what stood out to me mostlywas that boy.
There's a lot of people thatare really, just really into
this and I thought that wasreally cool.
I thought that was really cool.
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I thought that was really coolto me.
I think those emotional likeholy songs, as well called is
they were able to help like tapinto another level of me where I
actually saw flashes of thepeople that were previously in
my life that kind of leaned onthe side of God, and one of them
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was my grandfather, passed awaymany years ago, and I remember
when I was maybe like I don'tknow how old I was when he died.
Oh, I guess you were around,right, so 20, maybe like 23 or
so, 24.
How old?
Yeah, I remember one of ourlast, one of our last
conversations before he passedaway.
He had asked me if I believedin god and I said, honestly,
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grandpa, I I'm having a hardtime with that and he's like
that's okay.
He's like chances are is thatonce you get older you're going
to start being a believer.
And and I thought he meant likehis age, you know, into his
nineties.
But no, it was only you know,it was it only took him to my
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thirties, here, 35.
And so I, I reflected on thatand then, you know, I had a.
I had a godfather, who he was,you know, I had a godfather who
he was blind his entire lifefrom a boating accident and at
least the entire life that Iknew him Previously to his
boating accident, from myunderstanding is that he was a
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pretty sharp guy and he was fit,he could work with his hands,
he was really smart, he could doa lot of things.
But he went out water skiingwith some friends and they went
to go pick him up after he felland the propeller got him and he
was blind for the rest of hislife.
Well, he was my godfather andyou know I had a relationship
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with him, but it was it was onlyin the times of when, you know,
we would see each other onholidays or or just some family
parties, but it wasn't reallythat deep until it was the day
before his funeral that I had a,an interesting dream in which I
had to share this with my, myaunt, and I wrote it down for
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her because I told her at thefuneral.
I said, hey, I had a, I had avision last night about Bob, and
so the thing, at least for mewhen that was going on, was that
still, I mean, I was, I wasn'treally that much of a believer
still, even at the time, andthis wasn't even that long ago,
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because it was a dream and Idon't put a lot of weight on
dreams because they can be kindof crazy and you know you dream
of all kinds of stuff, right butthis one was actually the
coincidence was was very eeriebecause it was the day before
his funeral.
So clearly I was thinking abouthim.
But I just remember the dreamwas basically me watching him
from afar as he's walkingthrough a field, and you know
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it's before his accident, so sohe's, he doesn't have, you know,
the, the glasses that he alwayswore to cover his eyes.
You know he is, he's free, andI see him basically starting to
like levitate into the air and,and I'm not close right, so I'm,
I mean, imagine, a field andthere's only one thing in that
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field and it's him walking, andI'm, you know, from a far
distance away, even if I triedto yell, he couldn't hear me.
But I see him walking and thenall of a sudden he starts
levitating into the air, almostlike he was.
He was like ascending intoheaven, it was.
It was crazy and I remember itvery vividly, like almost like
you would be abducted by aliens,type thing.
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But once he got to the top,there was, there was a top,
there was a top and there was adoor, and he knocked on the door
and the door opened and hewalked in.
So so again, I shared that withmy aunt and I wrote it down for
her so that she could alwaysremember it too.
But again, I didn't put a lot ofweight on dreams because I
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needed something more likephysically concrete to say that
this is real.
And then you know, and what'sreally interesting is that, as I
was kind of mentioning that,there's been a number of people
that reached out.
You know that kind ofcongratulated me on, like hey,
dude, you know hey.
I kind of congratulated me onlike, hey, dude, I'm, you know,
hey, I'm really happy thatyou're going on this journey.
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If there's anything I can do,you know we're here to help.
If you ever want to talk aboutit, we're here to help.
I mean, I again I was just justtotally blown away at how many
people are actually out thereand you may not even realize it
either you know that they've allkind of gone down this little,
this little road.
But there was another guy.
He was my old neighbor and hisname was Josh, and Josh and I
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used to hang out all the time,like probably freshman year in
high school, and the one thing Ireally remembered about Josh
was that boy Josh was alwaysbusy, like going to his church
and he was always doingactivities and you know, we
would hang out a lot.
But then all of a sudden hefound his church and then he,
like he kind of we just kind oflike parted ways, you know, and
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I shit you not.
But Josh messaged me thismorning.
I haven't talked to this guy insince I was in high school and
he messaged me this morning andhe said Dude, I'm so happy for
you.
And I was like, dude, I thoughtabout you the other day when I
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was there, because you were oneof the people that like had God
in their world.
That I remember.
And I just wasn't there.
And of course, I wasn't shockedTo me this morning.
I was not shocked that I heardfrom Josh.
I haven't talked to him inyears, but I'm not shocked that
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I heard from Josh.
How cool is that?
Yeah, that's pretty wild timing.
I mean we went to churchyesterday yesterday and and of
course I'm very you know, ifanybody follows me on social
media, I always say I'm verytransparent and I post about
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everything.
And I had never, I had neverknown, maybe Josh had never
followed my stuff.
I don't know, I didn't evenknow that Josh looked at my
stuff, never had any, not muchinteraction with him.
If I were to look historically,maybe there's something, but
again, within the last few years, no, nothing, nothing concrete
at least.
But to get that message thismorning, I was not shocked.
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I was not, I just wasn't, Iwasn't shocked.
I'm like, of course I'm hearingfrom Josh, of course, because
Josh at 14, he said he turned toGod and he said he found him
then and he's lived by it eversince and you know, I think he's
done a lot of really, reallytremendous things and I'm
interested to hear more abouthis story.
But again, I just wasn'tshocked.
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I was like, of course, right,so these are kind of like the
real world things that to me, Ijust needed to solidify it and I
think I got it.
I think it's also interestingthat you know, I made the
comment that this was theelection between good and evil,
and there are people thatperhaps maybe voted on the left
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and the reason that they votedon the left is because they said
that their morals are there,and sometimes I actually
question the morals because whatI've recognized is that people
are canceling relationships overif you voted left or right.
People are cancelingfriendships, canceling family
members, and to me, if you go tothat degree maybe somebody that
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you've always loved or somebodythat you've always cared for
and you go to that degree of Ican no longer have this person
in my life, whether you're leftor right, because I've thought
about this too.
I was like boy.
I can no longer have thisperson in my life, whether
you're left or right, becauseI've thought about this too.
I was like boy.
I can't believe that personthinks that way.
I feel like we've lost.
We've lost, really, themorality in things and we need
to return to some type offaith-based.
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We need to have faith in ourlife, because I think that
there's a lot of people.
I think if you were to ask ourgeneration and the younger
generation, perhaps even ourparents, are they faith-based?
I bet you that there's a bigpercentage that have probably
declined over the last 10, 20years or whatever, and I feel
like we're missing this piece,because my big takeaway the
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other day was they actually madethe message very relatable to
the political environment, andone thing he said was it's
really hard to dislike somebodyif you pray for them, and so
nobody's praying for one anotheranymore.
You know, and I think it'sbecause we've lost, potentially,
we've lost the faith, and if wecan bring back our faith, we
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can mend and we can heal and wecan see each other for our
differences and come back to analignment, which I think is
really, really important for usat this moment in time.
And so I'm recognizing thatit's almost like a calling, a
call to action for people to gorediscover your faith so that we
all can heal.
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What do you think about that?
Rachel Wagner (27:20):
There's a lot there.
I think there's a lot to besaid about the decline of
Christian faith over our parentsand our generation, and I think
the example that you gave atthe beginning with the Catholic
priests, I think really had abig impact on people, and then
just the corruption and hidingof things that existed.
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It just kind of showed thelevel of power that they had,
and so I think that was a reallybig thing that turned a lot of
people away and I think, similarto how I was saying you don't
really know where to start whenyou're looking is, I think
people just kind of felt alittle lost where to go next and
I think over time that hasimpacted our values as a people
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and as a nation.
And I too agree that much ofthis election not all, but much
of this election was choosingbetween good and evil, and I
think for some of our viewersthat isn't going to hit quite
right with them.
I think that that may sound alittle offensive and I can
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understand that, but I thinkwhen we look at the biggest
things that you know we werevoting against, we were voting
against them rooted in faith asit relates to, you know,
children, life, your body as atemple and just kind of honoring
God, and I think the disconnecthas shifted into I don't know
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exactly how I want to.
It's like I think the peoplewho did vote on the left also
believe that they did so on thebasis of morals, like you said,
and I think many, many people onthe right also did so on the
basis of morals, like you said,and I think many, many people on
the right also did so on thebasis of morals, and it's like
how it's presented and how it'ssold is kind of disguised.
Jason Wagner (29:11):
The morality is so vastly different right now.
Rachel Wagner (29:16):
It is vastly different right now and I feel
like I don't know.
I don't really want to turnthis into politics, so I'm
having a hard time discussing itwithout being too vague.
Jason Wagner (29:28):
No, I think you need to, because, again, what
drove me to this whole thing waspolitics.
It was, yeah, my kids startedit, but again, it was the events
that happened from thispolitical election that drove me
there.
Rachel Wagner (29:43):
I think talking about the kids starting is a
great example, because I thinkthat our recognition of our
faith probably really stemmedfrom having a family.
I think when you have a familyand you have children and you go
through watching life developand grow and change and you know
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, even sometimes watching life,you know, fail, there's
something very spiritual aboutthat.
I think that is where youreally can see the higher being
being present.
You know it's.
It's it's sometimes justunexplainable miracles that
happen and it's.
And that's where I think theroot of faith probably stemmed
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for us with children and I saythat because I think that is the
backbone of a strong moralsociety is the family.
And when we look at the otherside, I think that there's
really a dishonoring and, youknow, a dishonoring of family, a
dishonoring of children andkind of breaking down and
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tearing down the familystructure.
And I think over time we'restarting to see that that impact
.
We've got a lot of children whoare unhappy, a lot of children
who are struggling with mentalillness, a lot of children who
feel very lost.
People who are struggling andit's like it's not to, you know,
demonize those who have anon-traditional household.
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I grew up in a non-traditionalhousehold.
My parents got divorced andboth got remarried.
Right, it's not that it'sdemonizing that.
It's that you still want tovalue the traditional household
and I think the other side ofthings is trying to do the
opposite of that.
You know it's trying tonormalize everything but that,
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and I think there's a lot ofmoral decay that exists when a
society is made up of thenon-traditional household, if
that makes sense.
Jason Wagner (31:43):
I think that makes a lot of sense.
Honestly, I think that wasreally well put.
Rachel Wagner (31:47):
Yeah, it's hard to say because I feel like
people will be really offendedby that and I'm not trying to
say that in an offensive way andit's not to invalidate any one
person's situation because, likeI said, I came from divorced
parents who I believe shouldhave gotten divorced and, you
know, both got remarried.
But I think, having livedthrough that, I recognize in
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myself and in my siblings theamount of trauma that exists
from that and the generationalimpact that that can have.
I recognize it in my parentingand so I have said to you so
many times, you know, I neverwant us to get to the point of
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meeting a divorce because Ithink it is impactful to
everybody.
In that experience and you know, to kind of take it even a step
further, I think the harsherthings that we were voting
against this time around waswith regards to children and I
think people who are voting onthe left believed, truly
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believed, that they were votingin the best interest of the of
the children.
But I view the I'm not talkingabout the transgender stuff,
I'll just say it because I'mlike tiptoeing around it, I feel
like, but I strongly, I feelvery, very strongly against
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providing children.
Jason Wagner (33:14):
Gender affirming care AKA.
Rachel Wagner (33:19):
Yeah, puberty blockers.
Sex changes, physical changes totheir bodies as they are
developing.
We recently learned thatthere's someone that we know of
won't name drop anybody, butsomebody that we know who is
allowing their five-year-old tobe the opposite gender of how
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they were born, and I can'timagine I'm struggling to talk
about this.
It's not that I don't believethat people can be transgender.
I 100% believe people can begay or bisexual or all of these
things.
It's not that.
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It's that we are changing theirdevelopment hormonally,
pharmaceutically and sometimessurgically, physically and
permanently.
And when you listen to thestories of the people who grew
up, got through puberty, gotthrough high school, got through
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what is likely the hardestyears of their lives, and they
get up there and they're like,wow, this is not who I am, this
is not who I want to be.
I'm not happier from thisaffirming care.
In fact, I was just gay but Icouldn't verbalize to the adults
who thought they were doing theright thing for me exactly how
I felt and they misinterpretedit and now I can never have
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children and I've got all theseissues that I can never correct
and now I'm suicidal and I think, like the left, like I said, I
think they believe that they'redoing children a service by
supporting and affirming thisthrough pharmaceuticals and
surgeries and all of thesethings, because of statistics
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being shared of like.
Oh well, transgenders have thehighest suicidal rate among
teens.
And I guess I just challengepeople to ask well, is that
prior to or after or during thisalleged affirming care?
And what's the root of of thatunhappiness?
You know?
Jason Wagner (35:26):
yeah, well it's.
It's come to find out thatthere is now studies that people
that have gone throughtransition are.
They have hype they have high,high suicidal rates.
Yeah, and so we probably allhave heard this is that the
doctors had put it in phrases ofwell, do you want your son to
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commit suicide or do you wanthim just to be a girl Right?
Rachel Wagner (35:53):
Right, yeah, or remain alive as a girl, yeah.
Jason Wagner (35:56):
Right, and they put this in the minds of parents
that well, of course I don'twant my son to commit suicide.
Yeah, okay, let's go forwardwith this.
This is just manipulation on away of you know one.
It's insanely profitable.
It's insanely profitable andwhen you understand that there's
(36:16):
when health care is stillprofit, there's very bad malice
that can go into some of theserecommendations.
And so you know, and you canspin it, and you can literally
spin it in any way that you wantto make it sound great you want
to make it right, you can.
You can do that with anything.
That's that's what sales is.
(36:36):
That's what a good salespersonis.
They can spin anything into agreat perception, and so it's up
to you to figure out what isgood salesperson is.
They can spin anything into agreat perception, and so it's up
to you to figure out what isgood and what is wrong.
And as we started to see all ofthis creep into our society,
you know that is that's the evilpart.
Right, we are mutilating thesechildren.
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They are not old enough tounderstand the life-changing
decisions that they have beenmaking.
Maybe they say that they're oldenough, but we all know that we
, you know, our brains are stillexpanding into our twenties.
Rachel Wagner (37:14):
Yeah, it's crazy to me that we can have limits on
alcohol, tattoos, bodypiercings, driver's license
license, all of these things,voting, joining, the military,
all of these things.
But we think it's okay forminors to make decisions, to
take drugs that are alteringtheir future or worse,
physically change their body.
That was.
That was a really big one, Ithink the other big one is the
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abortion stuff.
I think it was very muchpresented this time around as
life-saving care for a woman,which I'm so appalled at the
number of people who trulyreally bought into that.
Because, again, there's not asingle state in the United
States that does not allow foran abortion in instances of the
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life of the mother.
There may be instances in whicha physician didn't malpractice,
you know, did not provide careand later said that it was out
of fear of the law.
But if you look at the actualcourt cases, those court cases
have lost and the laws in thosestates have remained upheld
because they do allow for carein terms of the life of the
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mother.
So I obviously support care forwomen in those instances and I
also support care for women ininstances of rape and incest
within a certain timeframe.
But I think where this hasgotten just out of control was
watching the DNC in Chicagoprovide abortions outside their
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conference in a trailer busthing or whatever.
It was like come to the DNC andno, by the way, go get your
abortion right outside.
It was like we've we have soblatantly taken on this topic
and it is such a sensitive one.
It's, it's and again, I trulybelieve most of America aligns
(39:10):
in this but we've.
We've somehow like gotten tothis point where we've got
people you know this is farextremes, but people chanting
and bragging about the number ofabortions they're having far
extremes, but people chantingand bragging about the number of
abortions they're having.
And we have states where it'sallowed to have this performed
in a completely viable, healthypregnancy up until the end.
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You know this, this hashappened and the fact that that
side is devaluing life, thatmuch was a huge, major turnoff
and it's a big reason of why Ithink it was a decision between
good and evil.
Jason Wagner (39:49):
Yeah, but they lie and tell you that that's not
true.
It is true, no, it's not.
They tell you that.
They tell you it's not true,yeah.
So what do we do, right?
Is that pure evil?
That is blatantly lying to youand telling you that these
things are not actually truewhen they are.
Rachel Wagner (40:08):
Well, they lie to us a lot.
Yeah, they lie a lot.
Jason Wagner (40:12):
And that's the hard part.
Right, that's the hard part.
And so there were so manyinstances when you start to
think about this election cycleand what were the major issues
that we were talking about, boyman, this is an opportunity for
so many people in this countryto go back to faith and to find
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their faith and to be aroundpeople that are actively
searching it too, because Ithink that a lot of us are, at
the same level, been absent fora while, been absent for a long
time, and there's others thathave been on this journey that
can be the leaders and thetrailblazers for some of us that
are kind of coming up here.
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I just think that this is suchan important opportunity for the
vast majority of America andpeople to return to faith
because of some of the thingsthat we just experienced, and I
hope I'm not like on a honeymoonphase of this, because it just
went one time yesterday.
Right, you mentioned, are youexcited?
(41:14):
I actually mentioned I wasnervous and I'm nervous because
of that.
I'm nervous because I know thatthis is the right thing to do.
I just don't want to get intoit and then all of a sudden, you
know it kind of it falls offtype thing where, like, I'm
hoping that I continue to findas we go, I hope that I can
continue to find kind of thesegracious moments that happen to
(41:37):
keep me wanting to come back,you know.
Rachel Wagner (41:39):
So yeah, Well, I think, as you said, the number
of people who reached out to youjust by telling you that you
are saying that you wanted to gonow, experiencing the number of
people who have reached outafterwards.
We met several people at theservice and I haven't even
shared with you yet that therewere two moms who came up to me
today saying I heard you went tothe orchard this weekend and
wanted to talk to me about theexperience.
(42:01):
Oh, help us find a life group.
Yeah, I think I think it willbe hard to to not keep going
with that type of community andsupport system that exists.
Jason Wagner (42:11):
So yeah, yeah, I'm excited to explore, you know,
kind of the other pieces thatthey have there and, uh, you
know, just kind of get aroundsome other people that are in
the community and you know I'mvery open about sharing this
whole thing.
I I will tell you.
If I meet you for the firsttime and you ask why I'm here, I
will say it is because of theelection.
It 100% is.
(42:32):
And if that offends you, that'sokay.
But you know what I'm here to?
To deepen my relationship withuh, with a faith, and hopefully
that doesn't offend anybody,because I think we all have
different reasons on why we gotsomewhere.
And I am going to use this as acrutch because of the things
that I laid out, which is veryconcrete evidence.
(42:53):
And that's the concreteevidence that I needed for me as
the numbers guy, me as theanalytical type person.
I need to be convinced throughsome sort of data set that shows
me that this is true.
And I think, again, we've seenit.
Rachel Wagner (43:09):
I've seen it so heavy stuff in this one yeah,
that's an interesting thing, butthat's some good stuff we've
all set out the middle part no,just we're not cutting out
anything.
Jason Wagner (43:22):
All right, guys.
Thank you for listening.
If you found any value in theshow, please share it.
We are also getting up onYouTube now.
We are posting these on ourYouTube channel, the Real Life
Investing Podcast.
I don't actually know what thelink is, but see if you can find
it.
Wish I knew YouTube Real LifeInvesting, jason and Rachel
Weiger.
You should be able to find usand subscribe to it.
(43:43):
That would be cool.
Then you can actually see.
Rachel was actually crying onthis episode.
I did see a tear come down herface, so that was cool.
So maybe you'll see that onYouTube.
That's how deep thisconversation got.
You were brought the tears.
Rachel Wagner (43:57):
Yes, watching you get into this topic is
emotional for me and it was foryou too.
You mentioned it was emotional,but you did not share that.
Jason Wagner (44:07):
You were crying in service and again just
listening to those holy songs,man.
They get you, they get you andthey get you in your feelings.
But there were so many reallycool things that flashed in
(44:30):
front of my eyes that I neverexpected to see and that forced
me to turn into a wet mop.
It was unbelievable what washappening within that church
yesterday, and within me it wasalmost like I was at a funeral.
Right it was.
You know, I think that's amoment, right, that's a moment
to really remember and it waslike you had finally surrendered
(44:51):
to coming back to your faith.
Rachel Wagner (44:52):
That's what I didn't yeah that right, right,
right, right, right.
Jason Wagner (44:56):
That's what I've been wanting to actually say is
that I've been resisting for solong, again resisting because I
didn't have any logic, becauseit didn't make sense to me,
because of what was going on inthe Catholic Church.
I'd just been resisting andpeople that were closest to me
were even asking well, why doyou resist?
Well, why do you think this way?
And I would come up with someanswer that I don't know right.
(45:19):
A lot of times I can't evenexplain it, but yesterday I
decided to just lay down theresistance.
Rachel Wagner (45:26):
I'm very proud of you.
Oh, thank you.
Jason Wagner (45:29):
So I think that's my biggest takeaway.
What's your biggest takeaway?
Rachel Wagner (45:33):
I think, as I was listening to you share, like,
some details of the wholejourney, I think everyone has
their own time of when they'regoing to feel the connection.
You know, the faith I don'tthink is something that should
really be be forced.
I think I'm grateful, as I lookback over our marriage, that I
(45:54):
didn't push you too hard becauseI think had I been someone who
was forcing you to go to churchall these years, I don't know
that you would have found thismoment and now, this true desire
to want to reconnect with faithand be a part of our church
community.
So I think, just recognizingthat the journey and the path is
(46:17):
different for everybody andlike your grandpa said you know
he had very I don't rememberthat story, but it sounds like
he had confidence in saying,yeah, you'll find it when you
get older, you know just knowingthat you would be on a path
that would lead you there.
Jason Wagner (46:35):
Yeah, yeah, he was definitely right.
He was definitely right.
That's awesome, all right.
Well, thanks again forlistening, and if you found any
value in the show, please shareit and we will catch you on the
next episode.
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