65. RFK Jr. HHS Confirmation and Personal Stories of Vaccine Injuries

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RFK Jr.'s appointment as HHS Secretary could signify a shift toward greater transparency and parental choices in public health and vaccination policies. Jason and Rachel Wagner discuss their own experiences with vaccination and the importance of informed consent, raising significant questions about the current understanding of vaccine safety and industry accountability.

• RFK Jr. confirmed as HHS Secretary, sparking hope for public health reform
• Discussion centers on the evolving narratives surrounding vaccines
• Personal stories highlight challenges faced by parents navigating health decisions
• Emphasis on the importance of informed consent and transparency in health policies
• Concerns over the safety protocols and long-term effects of vaccines
• Call for comprehensive dialogue about vaccinations and health risks
• Conclusion presented on the need for parental autonomy in health choices, free from mandates and fear tactics

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to another episode of the Real Life
Investing Podcast with Jasonand Rachel Wagner.
Oh, we're celebrating today.
We've been celebrating a lotlately, haven't?

Speaker 2 (00:09):
we.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Yeah.
What are we celebrating today,Rach?

Speaker 2 (00:13):
The confirmation of RFK Jr.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Oh, and why is that so important to you?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Well, that's a loaded question.
It really is actually.
Yeah, it's a huge question.
There's so many people that areso happy to see.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Mr Robert Kennedy be the Hill secretary.
Honestly, I didn't have asingle doubt that he was going
to be appointed.
Do you ever have any doubt?

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Oh yeah, yeah, I had some concern.
I mean, he's been verycontroversial and it's so
interesting he's been a lifelongDemocrat.
Not a single Democrat voted forhim and all but one Republican
voted for him.
So I mean, I think, I thinkthat's remarkable when you look
at it not a single democratvoted for him yeah, yeah, no

(00:52):
surprise there.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
So so what's your take on?
Like all these democraticpeople literally voting no on
this guy, where you know most ofhis policies are?
They're not.
They're not like one-sidedright, these are.
These are policies that impactliterally every single person in
the country.
You know what I mean.
They're not, and what he likesto say is that they're not.

(01:14):
These aren't democraticchildren.
These aren't republicanchildren.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
These are all of our children yeah, he says that so
well and I think that's just sotrue.
Like the chronic diseaseepidemic is affecting Democrats
and Republicans alike, right,like I think if you cannot see
the change, the negative changein public health in this country
, I don't think you're payingattention.
So I feel like it's really hardfor anybody to deny that that's

(01:39):
occurring.
I think it gets interestingbecause I suspect that some
didn't like him just strictlybecause of the Trump thing.
You know, I think that there'ssome underlying truth of some of
that of you know we're just notgoing to support anybody that
Trump's putting in office.
I think the Democrats have apretty strong party alliance too

(02:05):
.
They they vote together.
I think you know there's a lotof information that's come out
about who's accepted money frompharma.
That is true on both sidesRepublicans and Democrats for
sure.
But I I do think that plays arole in it.
But I also think somewherealong the way the Democrats have
somehow become like the partyof of overused healthcare, I
think.
And overuse, overuse.

(02:26):
Like listening listening to someof the the hearing confirmation
interview questions, it wasastounding to hear all these
people be like the science issettled.
I think bernie sanders saidthat so many times the science
is settled.
And I've got a sister who'sstudying biology and pre-med and
she's a freshman and the firstthing she learned in her biology
class is science has neverreally settled.
It's an ongoing question.
We're always learning, we'realways evolving.

(02:46):
You know you should be askingquestions and looking at things
and studying them.
Like if science was settled,we'd still be telling pregnant
women to smoke cigarettes, right, like to relax.
That was actually a thing whenmy grandmother was pregnant.
Back in the day that pregnantwoman was like well, go ahead
and have a cigarette to help yourelax, right, obviously.
Day that pregnant woman waslike well, go ahead and have a

(03:07):
cigarette to help you relax,right, obviously, nobody's doing
that now because the sciencewasn't settled Right.
And then I mean there's so manyexamples of that too, where you
can look at, like Vioxx.
I actually took Vioxx as a highschooler and that's been pulled
from the market.
The science wasn't settled onVioxx.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (03:19):
It was an anti-inflammatory drug.
I took it from my hip, I had ahip injury and it turned out to
cause a bunch of a bunch ofhealth problems.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
And so they removed it from the market.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Oh, yeah, yeah, there's a bunch of lawsuits on
it and I mean that's true.
I mean look at, like what'sthat one pain reliever,
oxycontin?
No, that's still on the market,but it's heavily more regulated
because of the break inaddiction and turmoil that went
across the country for its use.
You know, I mean look at reddye, number four, that they do,

(03:47):
number five yeah, red dye,number four is now all of a
sudden actually it's not numberfour, it's number five, right no
, it was 40, wasn't it?
I don't know we should look itup so we're not just spewing
wrong information.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Number three oh, red dye number three.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
That's what they just red dye number three yeah, but
red dye basically they've knownsince the 90s that it was linked
to cancer, so they took it outof cosmetics but yet somehow
left it in our food all of thistime, and now it's just been
removed.
The examples are endless.
The science has never settled.
That's the point, and I thoughtit was astounding to listen to
all these democrats oppose rfkand be like you're, you're, you

(04:25):
know, questioning settledscience around vaccines and it's
like, well, let's also look atthe fact that some vaccines have
actually been taken off themarket.
The J&J COVID vaccine that wasprobably the most recent one
that people are familiar with.
That was taken off the marketand then, over the decades,
vaccines have been taken off themarket, re-put out the
combination of which ones aregiven together.
That has changed over the yearstoo.

(04:46):
So this whole notion that thescience is settled is absurd.
So, yes, I am excited because Ithink we are getting somebody
in this position who is open toconstant questions.
Right, the the vex or theconversation around vaccines
causing autism being settled isalso insane.
We don't know what causesautism.
So to just be like, well, it'sdefinitely not this.

(05:08):
Well, I think there's quite afew parents out there who have
firsthand experiences who aregoing to tell you their gut and
the core of their parenthoodknows that that's not entirely
true, because of what they sawand witnessed in their child
firsthand, that's not entirelytrue because of what they saw

(05:29):
and witnessed in their childfirsthand.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, well, and all of these other vaccines and
stuff.
And the thing about Kennedy isthat he's just not.
He's not about the vaccinestuff.
Everybody pins him as theanti-vax person, but really all
of his confirmation hearingshe's like I'm not against
vaccines.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, because he has said his intent is not to have
vaccines removed from the market, his intent is not to have
vaccines unavailable to parents.
His intent is to provideinformed consent.
And what does that mean?
That means giving parents allof the information availability
to the vaccine insert and notjust the one pager that says
nothing's wrong with them.

(06:04):
And then allowing people tomake the decision that's right
for themselves and not just theone pager that you know says
nothing's, nothing's wrong withthem.
And then allowing people tomake the decision that's right
for themselves and not havingmandates or you know, people
look you in the face and tellyou you're crazy.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Exactly so.
Robert Kennedy is not likeanti-vaccine, he just wants
better science, Right?
And Rachel, what does he reallykind of like mean on this whole
?
Like we want better science?
Don't we have clinical trialson all of this stuff?
And isn't the science alreadymade?
Like what?
What is he talking about?
We want better science, becauseI don't think the I mean, I

(06:38):
wasn't recently educated on likehow these clinical trials were
actually done until recently.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, I mean, I, I used to think all the science
was there too, right?
We've said in previous podcasts, like we're very pro-vaccine
and very much in agreement, thatthese have been studied,
they're safe, they're effective,like why would you not get them
?
They've eradicated all thisdisease and, as it turns out,
that's not actually a clearpicture of the story as it goes
with the whole eradicating thedisease.
If you look at charts ofincidences of infection and then

(07:03):
certainly incidences of death,for the vast majority of these
diseases they were eradicatingor eliminating themselves before
the vaccine even became intoexistence.
I think the best chart of thisis the measles right.
Like measles was pretty muchtotally done by the time the
vaccine came out.
So it was like this whole ideathat it eradicated disease isn't

(07:24):
true, because it actuallyeradicated itself, because
that's how viruses work, is theyspread through humans, right,
and you get immunity or whateverand you move on.
But then to the science of itbeing safe and effective.
Yeah, I just assumed that allof these vaccines had been
studied against a placebo.

(07:46):
That was nothing, right, likethere was a group who was given
the vaccine and there was agroup who was given nothing, or
saline right, because that'sgoing to give you the most
accurate picture of what thevaccine is doing to the group of
people who got it right.
Are there positive, are therenegative side effects?
Is it safe, is it effectiveversus the group that got

(08:07):
nothing right?
So then, what you were taughtin science, like how you do a
hypothesis in your ownexperiment.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
This is what you would think.
That is that.
That's how they did it.
Isn't that how they did it?

Speaker 2 (08:19):
No, no, actually there's not a single vaccine on
the childhood schedule that wastested that way, and that was
shocking to me.
And then I mean go into that alittle bit.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
It's not just shocking to you, but I was
literally having a conversationwith a client earlier today and
they brought that.
We got on the topic of it andshe also did not know that these
vaccines were not testedagainst a placebo like that.
Yeah, how were they tested?
I?

Speaker 2 (08:46):
mean I think even like to the point of like, oh,
these vaccines go throughrigorous testing and rigorous
trials, and that is true.
For some, especially some ofthe earlier ones, they went
through like more rigorous liketimelines.
But some, when they made itthrough you know certain steps
of the process, they get to theend and the monitoring period
that existed at the very endthere was only like three or

(09:09):
four days.
So it's like this mindsetaround oh, they're studied and
tested for years.
It's kind of like, yeah, that'sreally kind of a stretch and a
skew when you look at each oneindividually.
And then I also assumed thatthe schedule itself was tested
and studied through clinicaltrials on combinations.

(09:29):
So I assumed that not only didwe know that vaccine A and
vaccine B were safe to be given,but I also assumed that it was
studied that vaccine A andvaccine B given together at the
same time was safe.
That does not exist.
Vaccine be given together atthe same time was safe.
That does not exist.
There are no studies out therethat are showing that the
combination and the schedulethat we are giving these

(09:50):
vaccines to children and theamount that we are giving to
them is safe.
That doesn't exist and Idefinitely assume that it did.
I guess, in getting like alittle bit more specific into
the clinical trial stuff again,I'm not a doctor, I'm not a
physician, I'm not a scientist,so I'm not going to be able to
speak incredibly technical onthis.
But people can do their ownresearch and believe what they

(10:11):
want to believe.
That's totally fine.
But my assumption was that thesevaccines were tested against a
true placebo like saline.
Right, you give a group ofpeople the active ingredient,
the vaccine or the medication orwhatever, and then you give a
group of people nothing or aplacebo, so they think that
they're getting something orthey don't know, and that's
saline.
Right.
But in every single one ofthese the placebo controlled

(10:34):
group was given something otherthan saline, either a previous
version of the vaccine that theywere testing, so they were
putting a new one on the market,so they're testing it against
one that had been previouslyapproved.
And when you do that, you'reultimately giving people a
similar product and an activeingredient and the underlying I
think it's called the adjuvantthat's the part of the vaccine

(10:56):
that connects to the cell andcreates the immunity and whatnot
.
So it's kind of considered theinactive part.
It's not the virus or theinfection that you're trying to
prevent against was given toboth groups.
So then, when you're looking atthe data, you're looking at two
groups who received somethingother than nothing or something
other than saline.

(11:17):
So to say that something issafe when both groups receive
something, I think is unfair,inaccurate and biased yeah, so
there's a great chart that's outthere.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
It's the I can chart.
This is the lawyer that issuing.
Well, he's representing kennedyin lawsuits and suing, trying
to trying to sue for betterscience and trying to get the
fda to get there to showclinical trials of like longer
safety measures andunfortunately he put together

(11:52):
this, this chart, that literallyhas all of the vaccines on here
and or a lot of them, andmajority of them are they have
their safety trials, like theirsafety review after injection is
six months or less.
Yeah, there's only there's onlyone of them.
That was five years, but youknow.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
So here, hep b, the safety review after injection is
five days right five days, andthat's the one we're giving to
babies on their first day beingalive right.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
So that was the clinical trial.
We only studied it for fivedays after injection Right DTAP
30 days.
And then he's got another oneDTAP up to two months.
One trial was six months.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Right, and if you go and look at these actual inserts
, the FDA inserts on the productitself, several of these will
say they have not been tested inpregnancy, they have not been
tested for fertility and theyhave not been tested for
carcinogens or cancer.
Right, because there's notthese super long-term studies.

(12:55):
They don't exist.
So what they say like they'rerigorously monitored they're
referring to the VAERS system,which is a crap self-reporting
system that most people don'tneed, most physicians and people
don't even report to.
So it's a small pool of data.
And what's the response on theVAERS system?
You know nothing.

(13:15):
So it's like this whole we'vejust been.
It's so frustrating.
I get really frustrated.
I think about it, because I Iwas so bought into the system
working well and perfectly andit's just not yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
So I think of the notes here we can, we can
actually link to this chart it's.
It's an interesting one becauseonce you start to recognize
that like, oh, this was thescience that kennedy's talking
about there literally are not asmany or even controlled trials
that we thought that hadlong-term studies of these

(13:56):
effects.
And so as we just keep addingmore and more and look, look, at
the end of the day, thesevaccine manufacturers can't be
sued.
They can't be sued for anythingand so they have no
repercussions if they injurepeople.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah, and so that history was, I think, the first
piece we've shared this too.
It was like the first piecethat was kind of like, well,
wait a minute, that doesn't makeany sense.
You can sue anybody on themarket for any product that
you're you're purchasing, right,if there's negligence or bodily
harm or something.
Right, like, look at all therecalls that come out on things
and yeah, so back in the 80s,all these vaccine manufacturers

(14:31):
were going out of businessbecause they were being sued for
injury and Congress, you know,voted to say that well, instead
of, you know, we don't want tolose the availability of
vaccines on the market, so we'rejust going to assume that
liability and we'll create, youknow, a judicial system and

(14:51):
payout system for families whowant to do that, and we'll look
at them individually.
So there's still a process forwhich people can essentially sue
, but you're really suing thegovernment and not the
manufacturer, and so themanufacturer themselves has no
liability.
So their incentive to createsafe products and to ensure

(15:16):
they're safe and not causingharm is really really not
existent, really not existent.
And then you've got the trueincentive of practically
guaranteed use and income,because the government and so
many state governments aremandating these for schools or,

(15:36):
you know, strongly recommendingon the schedule.
So it's like you create thisproduct, the government's going
to endorse it and the governmentis going to.
The government's going toendorse it and the government is
going to say you've got to havethis in order to enter schools.
So you've got this product, aguaranteed source of income and
zero risk of liability shouldanything go wrong.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Oh, it's like an amazing investment, right?
Well, yeah, how do I get in onthat deal?

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Right and that's what's happened right.
That's why the schedule hasblown up, because everyone's
like I want to get in on thatdeal.
Let's find an illness that'sreally dangerous, like rotavirus
.
Rotavirus is probably like myfavorite one to talk about
because it's diarrhea and that'sawful right.
Nobody wants to go throughchronic diarrhea and obviously
in other areas of the countrythat can be, or other areas of

(16:21):
the world that can be verydangerous when you don't have
readily available access towater and your sanitation
situation is not safe.
And obviously parents workingin this modern country like you
don't want to have to take weeksoff of work because your baby
has diarrhea and you also don'twant them to have that.
But like are we talk about?
Are we really talking aboutlike a life-threatening illness

(16:42):
that needs life-saving vaccine?
No, we're talking about poopyeah, nobody wants poop yeah, so
funny story about the rotavirusvaccine.
Should we go into that?

Speaker 1 (16:54):
yeah, you should, because look your experiences
about this stuff.
You may be, you may be on theway that we were again totally
pro pro-vaccine and then all ofa sudden you start to see things
that happen in your life thatmake you start to question.
The biggest questioning partfor us happened with COVID and

(17:14):
the COVID vaccine and howterrible the rollout of that was
, the deception, the lies, andnow we see the awfulness of how
dangerous that vaccine hasturned on people.
And that was the eye-openingpiece for me and that's why I'm
actually like I don't mindcalling that vaccine extremely

(17:35):
dangerous, because you know whatit leads to a lot of very bad
things.
So was COVID just a one-offthing?
It was, you know.
We may have thought it was, butit wasn't until Candace Owens,
I think, started doing a deepdive into it.
Well wait, is it just COVID, orwas it?
Oh wait, this was how you guyshad been doing this all along.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, so it's interesting because we had
little seeds that had beenplanted the moment we became
parents.
But you know, we, we, we, weasked the questions.
Right, we asked the questionsas we were going through some of
these experiences, and I'll getinto them in a minute.
But every single time we asked,we were met with oh no, no, no,
no, you couldn't possibly dothat.

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No, you're like no, that's notwhat it was.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
You're crazy.
Yeah, an instant.
No.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, instant no from everybody.
So the first example I'll giveis our firstborn healthy
pregnancy, healthy deliveryliterally had a perfect APGOR
score.
When she came out of the wombwas a perfectly healthy, normal
baby and, like many babies,shortly after birth all of a
sudden has jaundice.
Well, I don't know how many ofyou know this, but a very common

(18:45):
known side effect on the insertof the product of vitamin K
that is given at birth isjaundice.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
It says that on the insert.
Yes, what the hell.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Right, okay.
Well, it is a minor thing,she's fine.
It wasn't a severe case ofjaundice, no big deal.
We moved on right, minus someof the trauma that existed of
taking a three-day-old baby fora blood test as a new mom in the
postpartum period.
But that's okay, I survived.
Fast forward a couple months.
You get your first not yourfirst, you're you know at birth.

(19:19):
You get vitamin K and you gethepatitis B, like right away.
Crazy.
Then fast forward to two months, I think is when they get their
first round.
Two, three months around there.
Our daughter got routinevaccination scheduled, one of
which included road virus, whichis chronic diarrhea.

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You know, it's a virus thatgives you chronic diarrhea and
it's dangerous because you canbecome dehydrated from it.
Babies and children can getdehydrated very quickly.
And it's a virus that gives youchronic diarrhea and it's
dangerous because you can becomedehydrated from it.
Babies and children can getdehydrated very quickly and it's
definitely a scary thing to gothrough, right, so we do this,
and shortly thereafter she hadlime green mustard squirting
poop for two weeks, several daysthat were 25 or more instances

(20:07):
in one day, like separate BMs inone day.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, you were going to work, you were going into the
office and I was working fromhome and Scarlett was not at
daycare.
We couldn't take her to daycareat that front and so I was home
handling all of this and I wasby myself and I was like Rachel.
I cannot believe how many timesthis little girl is going to

(20:33):
the bathroom and yeah, and itwas days long, it was two weeks.
It was two weeks two weeks ofdiarrhea and she was pooping 25.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
I think we got into the 30s yeah, I think there was
one day that's when we went tothe emergency room 30 times.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
It was unbelievable what was happening yeah, so we
did we know at the time.
Did we know at the time what itwas?
No, no, we did we know at thetime what it was.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
No, no, we didn't know.
So I was going to get to that.
When you got to the CandaceOwens, things Cause like, these
were the seeds that were beingplanted.
So you know, she starts havingthis diarrhea.
She's two, you know, two monthsold, three months old, whatever
she was, and you know we takeher to the.

(21:20):
Who asked the doctor, couldthis be from the vaccines that
she just got?
And they were like no, no, no,no.
I remember that guy, that firstpediatrician we had that we
liked.
He was like no, definitely, no,it's definitely not that that
couldn't be the case.
No, we're like oh, okay, Iguess we're wrong on that right.
A couple days later we seeanother pediatrician because by
this point she had gone so manytimes that her bottom was raw

(21:44):
and so we needed like cream andneeded advice.
So the advice that they gave uswas to put our, our newborn
infant, on a puppy pad so shewould just poop out onto the pad
and then the that pediatricianthat we saw that day.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
She was like she had like a week left until
retirement.
I remember this and she's likemy hand is shaking right now
with how many times that you'vetold me that she's gone to the
bathroom she's never.
I've never heard this yeah, inmy entire career in which I'm
going to be retiring next weekyeah I have never written this
number down on paper of how manytimes somebody has gone to the

(22:19):
bathroom.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
And I had the Sprout app so like I lit.
This is, like you know, newparents.
We track everything that ourchild does.
I literally was tracking everysingle diaper, like that's how
many times we were changing her.
It was insane, yeah.
And they're like, oh, we'venever heard this.
So then it was like, oh, itmust be dairy.
Cut dairy out of your diet, youknow, because I was

(22:44):
breastfeeding at the time.
So cut dairy out of your diet.
And you know, here's some bottomcream and why don't you put her
on a puppy pad so her bottomcan air out and heal?
And she just kept kept going,she just kept squirting out the
poop.
So then it got to the pointwhere I was like, okay, we
probably need to be a littleconcerned about dehydration,
because she was going 20, 30times a day and things were just
running right through her.
So we take her to the emergencyroom.

(23:04):
They run every type of test onher.
I give them a specimen of herpoop sample.
Literally nothing comes back.
There's nothing wrong with her.
She just has chronic diarrhea.
Ask the question again Couldthis be from the vaccines that
she just got?
Like she just had the rotavirusvaccine?
Isn't this rotavirus Like?

(23:25):
Isn't what she's experiencingchronic diarrhea, yeah, but it's
not from that.
No, it's not from that.
She probably just picked up avirus.
You know.
No big deal.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah, yeah, we got zero answers, we got zero
answers.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yeah, so that both of those experiences, I think,
were seeds that were planting.
As you know, we continued onthrough the vaccine schedule.
She had several, severaloccurrences of 105 spiked fevers
where we would, you know, takeher to the ER, cause that's what
they say when it gets that high.
You got to take them in andthey'd run all these tests on

(23:59):
her.
They would find nothing wrongwith her and within 18 to 24
hours the fever would subsideand she wasn't sick.
She didn't have any othersymptoms except these super,
super high, intense fevers thatwould make her lethargic.
And there were never anyanswers.
There was never any reason forher to be going through that
right, just, oh, it just must besome virus.

(24:19):
What's weird?
It's weird she's picking up allthese really obscure viruses
that you can't name that we alsoaren't really getting that's
weird so fast forward to 2020.
And the COVID and the COVIDvaccine you know, candace Owens
comes out with this shot in thedark thing, documentary of these
vaccines, and that was thefirst time I had ever listened

(24:39):
to anything that was anti-vax,and I will tell you it was not
convincing alone by itself.
I didn't feel there was enoughinformation there for me to stop
vaccinating our children, andso we did continue.
But it was enough for me tostart asking more questions and
looking for more information andthen looking back at my

(25:00):
daughter's history and andhaving the conversation with my
parents of like, oh, like, Ididn't get a vaccine for
hepatitis a as a kid.
I didn't get a vaccine forrotavirus as a kid.
I didn't get a vaccine forchickenpox as a kid, because I
had regular chicken pox, right?
So this realization of like, wow, I'm giving my child so many

(25:21):
more vaccines than what Ireceived as a kid, nobody ever
said that.
I just assumed that I wasgiving them the standard ones
that we've been giving kids forthe last 60 years, right?
Nobody said, well, this one's anewer one, you know, whatever
it's not like it's new, new, butit's new for our generation,
right?
Like we gave our kids you know,our kids got almost everything

(25:42):
on the schedule because it tookus a long time to get to the
point of like, we have to stopdoing this.
But so many of those vaccineswe never received as children,
and even the vaccines wereceived, our parents didn't
receive.
And there's this whole argumentof like, oh, science has
advanced, and blah, blah, blahblah.
But again, what actuallychanged when we were born in the
80s?
The manufacturer liability,that's what changed.

(26:04):
And this incentive to getinvolved into this guaranteed
income stream of vaccinemanufacture is what changed and
that's why at let's see, I thinkat like 24 months our kids had
had 29 doses of vaccine.
They had had more doses ofvaccine than they were months
old.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
All right.
So you start to piece all thesethings together of our real
life experiences and then youkind of go through well, covid
happened, and now there's just arabbit hole.
Right Now there's a rabbit hole.
We're starting to develophypothesis and realize that the
doctors are saying these thingsbecause, one, they don't know.

(26:47):
That's what they've been told.
Two, there's incentive.
And then we find out thatdoctor's offices are
incentivized based off of howmany people that they vaccinate.
Based off of how many peoplethat they vaccinate.
And if you've ever heard ofstories of people that are
kicking parents out of clinicsbecause they are choosing not to
vaccinate, why are they doingthat?

(27:07):
It's because there is incentiveand, specifically, there's
published incentive.
There's published incentive.
That was on the COVID vaccineand here this is from Blue Cross
, blue Shield.
Here's what they were perThomas Massey, congressman, who

(27:28):
shared this post, and it is aprintout that was given to
doctors on the vaccinations.
So here's how you can qualifyfor a bonus If your practice
meets the below thresholds forvaccination, with at least one
dose by September 1st 2021, youwill receive the initial
incentive payment based on thefollowing rates so 30% of

(27:49):
members vaccinated receive $20bonus per vaccinated member.
40% will receive $45 pervaccinated member.
50% receives $70 bonus pervaccinated member, 60% will
receive $100 bonus pervaccinated member and 75% of
Anthem members vaccinated willreceive $125 bonus per

(28:14):
vaccinated member.
And we start to realize thatpediatricians per vaccinated
member, and we start to realizethat pediatricians, they earn
majority of their money fromvaccines and there are
incentives to vaccine and thewell, there's probably those
incentives in there because theywant herd immunity, right, and
that's the whole thing is thatyou have to have a number of the

(28:34):
population vaccinated in orderto control it, and so that's why
they have these incentives inthere.
So doctors are automaticallyalways going to defer to well, I
got to get my bonus.
If I can get 75% of my practicevaccinated, then I will get the
highest bonus eligible.
And you know what, if I gotsomebody that doesn't want to

(28:55):
take it, well, that's fine, I'mjust not going to see them any
longer.
And that is exactly happening.
We know plenty of people thatare going through that exact
thing.
People are getting kicked outof their doctor's offices
because they are hesitating onthis stuff, because we've
started to recognize that thescience was never done correctly

(29:15):
from the beginning.
We want better studies, and soif you start to question that,
sorry, your healthcare choicesare now limited.
Now that is a very, verycorrupt system and I think today
is the day that that wholesystem dismantles because we
have Robert Kennedy as HHSsecretary.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, it's.
I mean it's not going to betoday, but today's the start.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Today's the start of all that dismantling.
Today's the start.
Yes, All of that is going todismantle.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
It's going to take a lot of time and I think it's
going to be very challenging,even with him getting into the
position.
I think what I was saying about,like the Democratic Party
earlier, I think there reallyare people who so truly believe
that science is settled and thatthis cannot be overturned, and
this is so dangerous because ofthe decades worth of fear

(30:13):
mongering that we have donearound these diseases and how
wonderful these vaccines are aregoing to have a hard time if
that changes.
And I think it's important tonote too that there's no
guarantee that that is going tohappen because we don't know
what the true science is goingto say, because it hasn't been
done right, like we don'tactually know factually from a

(30:36):
clinical trial that A causes Bor, you know, or doesn't cause B
, right, we don't know that.
But there is an awful lot ofcorrelated data that is now
available because we're talkingabout an entire generation that
has grown up with it.
Right, there's a clinic hereactually in Arlington Heights,
who does not vaccinate at alland hasn't for several decades,

(30:58):
and they have shared their datafor people who are doing
investigations or studies toshow that they don't have a
single unvaccinated patient whohas autism.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
That is insanity.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
And the counter argument that you hear from
people that doesn't provecausation.
You're right, it does not provecausation, but is that enough
for us to look at this and say,wow, that's an astounding
correlation, given the fact thatour autism numbers have gone
from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 30 or35 or whatever the heck it is

(31:34):
now to be looking at this.
That's pretty remarkable,because you can't tell me all of
those patients have the samediet and have the same genetics
and have all of the same otherunderlying factors that you know
may be contributors to autism.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
What clinic is that?

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Eisenstein Clinic Okay.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
They're like famous, aren't they?

Speaker 2 (31:56):
I wouldn't quite use that term, but dr mayor
eisenstein is referenced inseveral published books and he
passed away, actually quitemysteriously, um several years
ago, and his, his daughter, hascontinued on in the practice.
Yeah, so it's.
I guess my point is to like um,rfk jr, and what's the other

(32:21):
guy's name?
Hooker booker on the um vax onvax book oh, I think so, hooker
yeah, brian hooker yes, yes, yes.
um, that book too, again, thatentire book is not proof of
causation.
But there's so much correlateddata out there where we really
do need to stop and be like,okay, something is happening,

(32:42):
something is a miss, like weneed to look at this closer.
And it's frustrating to see somany people just blindly be like
, no, no, we're not looking atit.
The science is settled.
Vaccines are safe and effective.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Vaccines are safe and effective right, because
they're just like well, there'sgoing to be a big measles
outbreak or there's going to bepolio.
Hello, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
It's so.
So I was going to share thisthe other day, but there's a
really funny Brady Bunch episodeout there about the measles,
you know, and there's six kidsin that family or whatever, and
the kids coming home and be likeoh apparently I got the measles
and that's the best one to get,because I get to stay home,
because the symptoms for thevast majority of people who get
them are very mild.
Are there severe risks and is itpossible to die?

(33:24):
Of course that's true of theflu, that's true of everything
right Like if you get strepthroat and it goes untreated,
you could get scarlet fever,rheumatic fever, and years ago,
before antibiotics existed, youcould die yes that's true, but
modern medicine has curesavailable, right like there's so
many things that have changedin our life as far as sanitation

(33:46):
and curing of disease andtreating those things that we're
like ignoring, right?

Speaker 1 (33:54):
yeah well, which one was it that was the sanitary.
The reason it was eradicatedwas because the sanitary
conditions all of a sudden got alot better.
Polio it was polio, wasn't it?

Speaker 2 (34:06):
I think it was polio.
Polio is an interesting one.
This is the one that everybodyalways comes back to Like what
about?
polio right.
Look up the data and the trendson polio.
It's super interesting.
And then the history of poliothere's there's like a really
long hundreds of years worth ofof data on polio, and it's it's

(34:27):
interesting because theredoesn't there's an argument that
says there is no clear researchthat shows that polio is
actually passed from human tohuman.
I don't know where I stand onpolio, to be perfectly honest,
but I think that there is enoughquestions there that again we
should be looking at it closerright.
I think the timing of DDT iscertainly a consideration.

(34:52):
I think it being eradicated orstarting to be eradicated and
decline is certainly interesting.
I think the seasonal outbreaksof polio being around harvest
season, relative to pesticideuse and focusing on rural areas
is super interesting.
There's a lot of informationaround polio.
That makes that one super oddand unique.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
There's all kinds of stuff.
All you have to do is literallyjust go out to x and just type
in.
You know, what I typed in herewas like polio had better
sanitation.
Then all of a sudden I got allof these things that popped up
about vaccines and bettersanitation and just like the
arguments on this side of thething, I I think the.

(35:37):
I think the.
The issue is is that if you wantto be for us, we wanted to be
super informed and and the wayto have really informed consent
is to understand the issues onboth sides and lean on the one
that kind of makes more sense.
And if you don't understand theissues on both sides, instead

(35:58):
you're just like no, I have tovaccinate because the doctor
tells me to, and otherwise we'regoing to get, we're at risk of
getting all these diseases.
I don't think you're reallydoing your homework to really
understand, well, why is there alarger movement of people that
are being a lot more hesitant?
Why don't you try to understandtheir positioning and some of

(36:19):
that piece of that, and so youcan start to go down your own
rabbit holes and figure that outand at the end of the day, if
you realize that, hey, I don'tlike any of these rabbit holes
that I just discovered.
I'm going to listen to mydoctor because that's exactly
what I should be doing.
That's totally fine.
At least you looked at bothsides and you made informed
consent.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, and I think the really unfortunate thing is
like the people debating thisaren't true debate, true
conversation is happening at alevel where nothing's going to
change.
Right, it's like you and I andother podcasters and other news
people and that sort of thing,but the real prominent people
who can make change, like RFK,nobody wants to debate him and
the whole hearing thing.

(36:59):
I was really looking forward tolistening to some back and
forth because that was going tobe like a true open dialogue
that was going to occur, exceptthat wasn't what it was.
I quickly learned that Senatehearings are kind of like a big
charade but people just had aspeech that they wanted to get
out and they wanted to throwaccusations out and they wanted
to get their sound clips in andnot actually allow a true

(37:20):
response.
Right, like nobody has actuallysat down with rfk and had a
debate and debated their sideabout why vaccines are safe and
effective and then why he'squestioning them like that.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
That's what needs to occur, right, and no, they leave
it up to the people on socialmedia to go back and forth,
right, so, as you're like, golook at X.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
It's like crazy.
Okay, that's easy for people tobe like, okay, you're just
falling into these holes, butit's really challenging and it's
interesting to me that RFK hadopenly challenged certain people
to a debate.
Well, come talk to me about it,right, let's actually have a

(38:03):
conversation and I want you torespond to the things that I'm
saying.
But they don't do that.
They don't respond directly tohim or want to get into a
conversation with him or debatewith him.
Instead, they go to the newsmedia outlet and paint him as an
anti-vaxxer, quack, conspiracytheorist, all these names.
He's so dangerous.
They create all this fear andthen nobody hears the other side
.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Right, right, both sides need to come together and
actually have a conversation anddebate this out and it needs to
be at a very high level likethat, because, again, like you
know, you have people that cometo us right and like, for
example, this guy that wants toalways debate me on on this
stuff and like, literally, itdoesn't matter what I say, he's
always going to have the otherposition.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Like literally always , and so eventually I just had
to stop responding because I'mjust like dude.
There's so much more work thatyou need to do on your own end
to continue to see things likewhy somebody would be in my
position.
I mean, you could say literally.
The problem is like you couldsay the same thing about me,
right?

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yeah, I guess that's my point, right and so like
these.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Bigger debates need to happen in a much higher level
.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Which is a Kennedy versus whoever?

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah, bernie Sanders had Fauci right.
Yeah, I would love to have RFKand Fauci.
That would be amazing.
But like Bernie Sanders hadthis big what do you call it?
Like an open forum?
I don't know what he called it,some kind of yeah, yeah, he did
.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
He had a big open forum where he invited all of
the vaccine manufacturers tocome sit down at a table with
him and say here's why we needvaccines.
Well, why do you think allthose people would say the
things that they said?
Why do you think, yeah, it wasone sided it's like I was really
.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
I watched that whole thing because I was excited that
he was going to do somethinglike that, but it was only one
side.
You have to have both sides,representative, and the response
that you'll get from from Ithink you even had a physician
tell you it was too dangerous todebate him.
Isn't that what?

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yes, the doctor who told you you were killing your
neighbor.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
That's what the medical community was saying was
that RFK is too dangerous todebate.
He's too dangerous to debate.
Does that even make sense?
No, it doesn't, that's crazy,right.
Like if your science is sostrong, you should be able to
say RFK, you're not beingtruthful here.
That's not true, or here's thereason why it was studied that
way way or whatever, which Idon't think they have a reason,
which is why they're notdebating him, Right.
So there's no guarantee thatthis is going to change things,

(40:25):
but I suspect there is going tobe significant reform.
There's going to be a lot ofmassive change.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
And the everyday person needs to be ready to
unwind the things that they havelearned before, because it's no
longer the case, because thethings that we have learned
before have their flaws.
And if we can unwind the thingsthat we've learned before and
start to recognize okay, theseare now the new questions that
we need to ask.
That's how you can start tonavigate this new world.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Yeah, I think as a culture we've gotten so
accustomed to just acceptingthat things just happen and just
accepting that.
You know, kids regress at attwo and a half because that's
just how it how it works, it'sjust normal development.
You know, these things justhappen.
We don't know why they happen.
I don't believe that.
I think that nothing justhappens.

(41:20):
I think that there is astimulus that causes a reaction
and we've given up onidentifying what that stimulus
is, or we're purposely choosingnot to identify what that
stimulus is, because we'retrying to protect our not we,
but people are trying to protecttheir profits.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
I wanted to ask you did you want to go into the
vaccine injuries that wepersonally experienced?
I mean, we've already talkedabout a couple of them, but do
you want to talk about anyothers?

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Well, where I was kind of going with that is you
know this whole notion that youknow, at a certain half she had
an acute regression where shelost the ability to speak, to

(42:07):
articulate what her thoughtswere.
Overnight had a up to 25repetition stutter, started
pooping her pants to the pointof not even realizing that she
had pooped her pants and it notbothering her.
She'd been potty trained.
She was already potty trained atthat point, yeah she was very
well potty trained and you knowwhen she would wake up over the

(42:29):
night with a diaper wanted to bechanged.
So it wasn't just theregression of having the
accident but also it notbothering her.
You know, very confused,confused state she was potty
trained, but she was stillwearing a diaper at night
overnight, yeah, yeah, so wouldpoop her pants during the day
and not tell anybody and justkeep playing in it because it

(42:50):
didn't faze her.
All of that change literallyhappened on the same day.
So we had a perfectlywell-developed.
On the same day.
So we had a perfectlywell-developed two and a half
year old child.
She was very smart.
She knew all of her letters at18 months old, spoke, you know,
sentences I wouldn't say clearto everybody because not
everybody can understand toddlerlanguage right, but like we

(43:13):
could very clearly understandher, you know grandparents could
understand her, teachers couldunderstand her.
She spoke very clearly incomplete sentences, could
articulate thoughts, you know,developmentally knew her letters
, her numbers, her shapes, hercolors, all of those like real
basic things.
And on a single day all of thatwas gone.
She couldn't speak her thoughts, she was using the wrong word

(43:35):
for everyday things like herelephant and yogurt.
She was very confused and wouldlike swap those words out.
All at once.
She had this acute regression.
I can't.
I just spent two years trying tofigure out what happened and we
went to so many physicians anddoctors trying to figure out why

(43:59):
this happened for her, what wascausing this, and it started
getting a little better, or itdid start getting better over
time.
And so it was like oh, whydon't you go to occupational
therapy?
Oh, she must have just beenconstipated, or it must be that
you had another kid and so she'scraving attention from you.
This just happens at this age.

(44:21):
You know, kids are kind ofweird at this age.
We don't really know theirdevelopment's not totally fluid
Ebbs and flows, highs and lows.
A sudden onset of a stutter isnot, that's not uncommon.
You know that's normal andthat's normal.
While perhaps the occurrence ofthose things is true, I do not

(44:42):
believe that it just occurs.
And so over time, over the nexttwo years, we would go through
these periods of six to eightweeks of this regressive
behavior that wouldprogressively get better and
then she would return to normaland it would be fine.
And then it would happen again.
She would regress, these samethings would happen.

(45:03):
She'd have an accident.
In some instances she's evenkind of having like
hallucinations, and I was goingto the doctor all the time and
they're just like you got to getin for speech therapy and I'm
like, but she speaks fine whenshe's not in this phase.
Why would I put her in speechtherapy when she doesn't have a
stutter, when we're not goingthrough this thing, right?
I finally actually did go andsee a speech therapist and it

(45:27):
was.
You know it takes forever toget into a speech therapist I'm
sure many of you parents knowthat, but you know it took us a
couple months to get in.
I finally get in and she's in aphase where she's speaking just
fine and the speech therapistis just like well, I guess if
she has another regression, callme and I'll try to get you in
right away so I can evaluatethat and then at least we can
give you the tools to help getthrough it.

(45:47):
But that wasn't gonna give youmy answer.
My question is why is my kidregressing like this for six to
eight weeks and then gets betterand then it happens again and
it's all these like samesymptoms, right?
What the hell is going on?
You can't tell me this isnormal.
It's not normal for a kid tojust be potty trained and then
the next day just poop theirpants.
It's not normal for them toknow all of this information and

(46:08):
then one day it just fall outof their brain and it'd be gone.
It's not normal for them to bespeaking perfectly clear and
eloquently and all of a suddenrepeat the words 25 times.
And I will never forget thefirst time she had that stutter.
I was walking with her, I washolding her hand and she was
trying to say something to meand the fear in her eyes I will

(46:34):
never forget, because she knewwhat she wanted to say.
She was trying to get it out.
She got tears in her eyes andit was just like over and over
and over again.
She was so upset and I wasscared and I just looked at her
and I said it's okay, let's getto the car and then we can talk

(46:55):
about it.
And she sat silently thatentire ride home, didn't say a
word, which is also not like her.
But she herself knew.
Her two-year-old self knewsomething was wrong, because
that had never, ever happenedbefore.
She had always been able toarticulate her thoughts.
She had always been able tospeak freely and clearly and all
of a sudden that was gone.

(47:16):
She could not get her words out.
Fast forward a year, a year anda half, when we would go through
these phases, she started beingable to articulate to us.
I can't say what I want to say.
I have video of her saying thatto us, as she's repeating,
repeating, repeating andrepeating the start of the word
and she just can't get herthought out.

(47:38):
She'd say I can't say what Iwant to say.
Why is this happening to me?
I can't do it why?
Why?
You remember that?
I mean just incrediblydevastating for a parent and
then to go to the physicians andthe doctors who are supposed to
help you and just have them belike you need to give her more
attention and she's constipated,no big deal.
I could punch that woman in theface.

(47:59):
But anyways, as it turns out,she has an autoimmune condition,
pans, pandas and when she getsan immune triggering does, and
when she gets an immunetriggering reaction most
commonly to strep throat herbrain swells in the basal

(48:25):
ganglia area of the brain,encephalitis, and it causes
these neuro regressive symptomsand they can last, you know, for
for her it's been six to eightweeks.
We're fairly fortunate in thather diagnosis is on the more
mild side.
They're very, very severe casesof people who lose the ability
to walk and have very severe OCDand tics, which OCD definitely

(48:51):
pops up.
For her it's fairly mild but um, and all of these occurrences
she'll have some type of OCD andtics, which OCD definitely pops
up.
For her it's fairly mild, butin all of these occurrences
she'll have some type of OCD ticthat will come up where, like,
if there's a single speck in atoilet bowl, she won't sit on it
, like, totally, will freak out,she won't go, she'll cover it
up with all this toilet paper inthe water.
You know, literally at threehold her bathroom because she

(49:14):
doesn't want to go in the toiletthat has a single speck on it,
like that type of OCD.
None of that exists when she'snot in these phases.
They only exist when they're inthese phases.
And after two and a half yearsof documenting all of that, I,
you know.
Finally, the speech therapistactually the lady that we went
to was the one who said have youever heard of PANS PANDAS?

(49:37):
I'm like, no, I don't know whatthe heck you're talking about.
So she sent me a bunch ofinformation on it and I started
looking at it and I joined thisgroup and I'm like, reading all
these other parents' experiencesand I'm like, holy crap, this
is what this is.
And, sure enough, went to aneurologist and did blood work
and shared all of theinformation over the past years,

(49:58):
and that is what she has.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
She's also allergic to eggs.
I want to put that out theretoo yeah vaccine injury that's
where you were going withvaccine injury.
Yeah, is there any other uhvaccine injury you want to talk
about?
Hopefully.
Rachel just says she's allergicto eggs.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Is that all you wanted me to say?

Speaker 1 (50:18):
No, I'm just kidding.
I actually wanted you to godown that route, but that was a
funny reject there.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
That is really funny.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
No, she's also allergic to eggs.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
She's also allergic to eggs, and so, as you look at
what we know about her today,she's allergic to eggs.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
So where'd that come from?

Speaker 2 (50:34):
and like do you have any allergies?

Speaker 1 (50:37):
I had somebody ask me this well, there's a lot of,
you know, autoimmunes that couldhappen because, or allergies
that could happen because theparents have the allergies.
Well, I'm not allergic to afucking thing, are you?

Speaker 2 (50:49):
I have seasonal allergies like grass, and stuff
like that, but no, no, no foodallergies, nothing like that.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
So literally zero allergies.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
That we're really aware of, or that's consumed,
like in our entire family In ourentire family yeah, and our one
daughter that we have has anegg allergy.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Yeah, Okay.
Now our second daughter doesnot have an egg allergy.
We also cut her short on someof the vaccinations that we were
doing with her yeah right.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Yeah, we stopped both girls at the same time and
they're different ages, so yeah,oh right, yeah, so one has more
than the other right so yeah,that is just kind of how that
all kind of shaked out for us.
But well, it's like, as youlook back over all those trips
that we had to the er for thesehigh fevers, it's like, okay,
was it an allergic response, anautoimmune response, a response

(51:37):
to all this crap you're puttingin our body?
Yeah, we don't know.
We can't prove causation.
We'll never know.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
We always get whenever we went to the, to the
doctor at where we went to thehospital or er trip, it was like
zero answers we we got I.
I told rachel, I'm like thereis no point of even going to the
hospital because we get zeroanswers every single time.
Well it's, it's a high fever,it's 105 degrees.
We have to go.
Well, of course you have to go.
Well.
You should tell me why this ishappening.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
And we got literally every single time we learned
nothing and I was like, wow,well, that was a waste yeah, and
and had we followed the firstpediatrician's recommendation of
take her to occupationaltherapy, she's probably on the
spectrum start speech therapy.

(52:26):
She's probably just got adevelopmental speech delay.
You know, had we, had we gonedown that road, I actually I get
really like emotional thinkingabout it because had I not been,
like no, my mom gut is tellingme something is wrong.
This, this is not, this is notnormal, right?
Had we not done that and we didall of that, I can't, I don't

(52:47):
even like to think about whereshe would go, cause I've read
stories of people who have thispans, pandas, things and it went
undiagnosed for a really longtime and untreated.
And you know, kids mistakenlyget diagnosed with autism, or
mistakenly diagnosed with ADHD,or mistakenly diagnosed with OCD
or mistakenly diagnosed withticks and all of these things,

(53:10):
and it's like actually there'san underlying root cause there
that's curable or treatable.
It's not curable, it'streatable.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
So now we know, you know, the treatment here is that
whenever she does get strepthroat, okay, strep throat is
the trigger for her right.
So that's what caused the-.
It's not the only trigger, butit is the most common one.
Yeah, okay, so kind of trigger,but it is the, it's one of the
most common one.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Yeah, okay, so she gets zero symptoms of strep
throat, no fever, no like, nocomplaining of a strep throat.
She does not appear sick in anyway okay literally doesn't have
a normal immune response tostrep yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
So how do we, how do you pick up on this?
Like what's the protocol?
Now she?

Speaker 2 (53:48):
poops pants.
That was the most common one,which thankfully didn't happen
this last time she starts havinga stutter.
She has an ocd tendency thatpops up regression in school
work or she gets very furioustoo yes, she's very triggered,
like it becomes a things thatare normally easily coped with

(54:12):
are turned into really intenseoutbursts and tantrums that she
can't regulate, and it's like wecan't soothe her or calm her
down.
It's super intense, it's likeit's out of control, so super
triggered.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
You had to tell me one time because I was I was
like trying to calm her down infront of people one time and you
actually came up to me and saidshe can't help it.
She can't help it.
Yeah, like you can't doanything right now, you have to
yeah, yeah, that's been.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
The hardest thing about this is like at the moment
it's not her misbehaving, it'snot her choosing to be annoying
with the toilet and refuse to goright like it's she.
Her brain is inflamed.
Her brain is inflamed from theinfection, the autoimmune
response to the infection, andthese things are happening.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
There's another thing I was going to share that
happens with her so, anyways, asyou kind of go down this whole
route of personal experience,look, I think, at the end of the
day, if you ever want to changesomebody's mind, have them go
through it.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
And that sucks, and that totally sucks.
I wish there were people whotalked to us about vaccines
before we were on board and Ithought they were total whack
jobs.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
I was like you're nuts, rachel, you didn't want,
you didn't want Scarlett to benext to anybody until she had
her vaccines.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Oh, so you were that so far.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
on that side of it, I know, and you you know, new
baby.
Everybody wants to come overand meet her.
Well, sorry, Rachel, I doesn'twant anybody to come over here
because she hasn't had hervaccine.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
It wasn't that extreme.
A lot of people came to see her, but I was fearful every time,
every single time.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
I was fearful.
You told me these things, andso it's important to recognize
just how far we've come.
Yeah, personally, we had tolearn the hard way.
Yes, we did.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
We had to learn the hard way and it's really easy.
I think, as parents who haven'texperienced it, it was really
easy to be like, okay, thathappens once in a million or
that's caused by something else.
This is really common, you know.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
It's really easy to just dismiss it because it's
really easy for people thatdon't have kids to literally say
that we're crazy.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Oh yeah, Because a lot of the people that will
question us they don't havechildren.
Yeah, yeah Right.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
They don't have children.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Right.
And so personal experience, atthe end of the day, is going to
solve a lot of your unansweredquestions and maybe it prompts
you to go down a rabbit hole,maybe it prompts you to just
explore both sides of things and, at the end of the day,
informed consent is always goingto be what prevails, and
whether you want to be on oneside or the other, great, but at

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least we have the choice.
That's what America is great itwas built on was choices, not
mandates, and that's what wewant.
Robert Kennedy is going tobring back choice, not mandates,
informed consent, not mandates,and that's what I think is
going to be the best piececoming out of all of this, at
least on the vaccine side ofthings.

(57:14):
He's also going to be banningall the things that are terrible
for us, okay, so I guess thatkind of turns into mandates.
Oh, mandating that we're, thatwe're getting rid of these dyes,
right?

Speaker 2 (57:25):
mandate prohibition yeah, it's different in it.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Yeah yeah, okay, but yeah, no, I mean it's exciting,
right, we can now start eatingfood again, hopefully.
I mean it's exciting, right, wecan now start eating food again
, hopefully.
I mean it's not all gonnahappen right at once, not gonna
happen tomorrow, right, it'sfunny, the democrats they want
well, inflation should be down.
Trump's now in office.
He's been in office for twoweeks, you know, why is?

Speaker 2 (57:45):
inflation still going up.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
It's so, it's so funny.
It's like I bet you thatargument's gonna start happening
and it's like we still havestuff, our food here and it's
only been a week going on.
You know what I?

Speaker 2 (57:54):
mean yeah Well, and you're definitely going to start
to hear about outbreaks ofdiseases more and more.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
And what's funny is they're going to announce that
stuff, but it's.
Is it actually going to turninto major outbreaks and death
and disease?

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Okay, so I want to share this really funny story
real quick.
When scarlet was a baby, therewas a big measles outbreak that
happened in new york city and Iremember arguing with you about
this when we were in galena withour family because I was so
fearful of it and like so upsetabout anti-vaxxers and you know
all the things come to find outI just recently heard this.

(58:29):
That outbreak was actuallyamong us, a particular group and
community I'm not going to callthem out specifically, but a
particular group and communitywho doesn't vaccinate or doesn't
receive the MMR vaccine forreligious reasons.
And there was a case thatpopped up, a couple more cases
that popped up, and thisspecific community was purposely

(58:50):
going to get their childreninfected with measles so then
they could get the exemptionthat said they could do the
Titor's test.
That said they've got theantibodies so therefore they
don't need the vaccine.
So this outbreak, you know, wasall over the news and fear
mongering was actually like apurposeful spread of this

(59:12):
illness among this community whowanted their children to get
measles so then they could havelifelong immunity and get exempt
from getting the vaccine.
And once I heard that I wasjust cracking up because I'm
just like none of that wasshared in the news media, right,
and to my knowledge there wereno deaths in that outbreak.
I cannot say that for certain,but my recollection was there

(59:34):
were like 1100 cases thatoccurred but no deaths.
But to just hear that like, ohmy god, it wasn't spreading to
you know, these, these peoplewho were trying to avoid it.
It was actually spreading topeople who were purposely trying
to get it.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Yeah, yeah there's the uh, the fear-mongering is
like fear-mongering is soamplified right now and it.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Yeah, yeah, there's the, uh, the fear mongering is
like fear mongering is soamplified right now and it's and
it's amazing like that is whatsells.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
If you're on the left side, that is what sells.
So they will, they will pushthe fear, they will push all
that stuff and uh, you know,look, at the end of the day, we
had a great conversation withour last guest and I I asked her
about you know, what should wedo with these situations?
You're a new parent.
You got to make these decisionsfor your children.
The left wants to tell you.
The left wants to tell you thatyou know you vaccinate so that

(01:00:22):
you can protect your, the kidsdown the street and your
neighbors.
And then I asked our guest butwhat does God say here?
And God wants you to trust yourgut.
I think, at the end of the day,you have to make the decisions.
That is going to go with whatyour gut is telling you to do,
and do that.

(01:00:42):
Trust your gut.
If your gut tells you tovaccinate your children and do
the whole schedule, that istotally fine.
I will never, ever judge youfor that.
I applaud you for that, becauseyou've made informed consent
and you are fine with all therisks that come with that.
If you're the opposite, youdecide that you are no vaccine.
Maybe you're some vaccine.
There's a lot of people thatwant to be like, hey, I don't
want to do this one, I don'twant to do this one, but I will

(01:01:03):
do that one because that onemakes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Yeah, or do a delayed schedule, or there's a lot of
options.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Bravo, that should be your choice, informed consent,
and I love you.
You're great.
I love you who also totallyvaccinated their children.
Great, we can live in harmony.
Fantastic, there is no.
This is a war against theunvaccinated.
Like unbelievable amounts offear mongering that was pushed,

(01:01:30):
that continues to be pushed onthe left side and just don't
fall into the trap.
Don't fall into the trap at all.
So cool.
Anything else you want to add Idon't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
I'm excited for what's to come.
I know many people are veryfearful and I can relate,
because that was me not thatlong ago.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Oh, I actually wonder .
There's a lot of people thatare like not that long ago, but
oh, I I actually wonder.
There's a lot of people thatare like, well, if I'm gonna
start to not vaccinate mychildren, what do I do?
Like they can't, like do thesethings, they can't go to these
places without having thesevaccines, and like there's you
know, and so now you got to gointo, like religious exemptions,
and they're like well, I don't,my religion doesn't have that
or does it, or maybe I'm notreligious, religious Like, you

(01:02:11):
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
So now there's all of these.
There's all these hoops.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Hopefully right With the appointment of Robert
Kennedy, you don't have to jumpthrough those hoops anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Yeah, that will be interesting to see if that
actually prevails, because a lotof those hoops are set by the
state, so like the CDC isproviding the recommendation,
but then the states are adoptingthe recommendation as
requirements for public schoolsand then private businesses are
like oh, we follow this.
So it's going to be interestingto see how that trickles down.

(01:02:41):
My suspicion is, being in astate like Illinois, like we are
, they're probably going tobuckle down, hardcore and oppose
all of this.
So it will likely remain.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
It probably will be right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Just because we're a left-leaning state and yeah, and
at least initially, yeah, butillinois does allow for
religious and medical exemptions.
Most states, I don't think,allow for personal exemptions.
There's a few out there, butmost don't.
Almost everywhere you can get areligious exemption and medical
exemption, but it varies stateby state.

(01:03:12):
So it will be interesting tosee how that, how that, rolls
out.
Yeah, and I think you know therequirements are really specific
to public school setting too,and that looks like it's on the
verge of changing too.
So we'll see, we'll see.
I don't know.
It's gonna be reallyinteresting.
Yeah, it's gonna be reallyinteresting lots of shake-ups
happening.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
All right, well, cool .
Well, thank you for listening.
I think this was a greatpersonal tale of you.
Know our own journey.
We clearly aren't the only onesexperiencing this type of thing
, because you know what?
At the end of the day, robertKennedy would not be in the
position that he is if he wasn'table to gain traction for

(01:03:52):
people to believe his stuff, toget a massive independent
support.
Have that independent support,join the republicans, have trump
win and have trump put robertkennedy in a position of power
yeah, it's so interesting too ifyou look back at his story,
because he he this wasn't evenhis initial work.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Moms came to him and asked him for help and he was
just the person who listened.
He listened, trusted.
Moms looked at the data and waslike you're right, there is
something here, and thank godfor that.
There's there's some, there'sso much truth to, there's so
many mothers that are sothankful for Robert Kennedy so

(01:04:35):
many because this was anemotional thing for you, right?
oh yeah, I felt a lot of emotionthis morning.
Yeah, because I feel like we'llsee how things shake out.
But there's going to be, Iassume, some validation that's
going to come from this.
You know of, you know thatdoctor who told me my kid was

(01:05:00):
constipated and seekingattention.
You know, there's going to besome validation there.
Those doctors who said, oh no,no, no, no, it's not the vaccine
.
There's going to be somevalidation there, right?
It already exists because it'son the insert.
So it's like there's going tobe some validation there right
it already exists because it'son the insert.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
There's going to be a lot of validation, even with
the COVID vaccine too.
Robert Kennedy has actuallyopposed all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Yeah, that's already started in the States too.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Thank God for him and Robert Malone, because you know
what, if I would have neverheard Robert Kennedy's podcast
on the Joe Rogan show, Iprobably would have been
vaccinated right now.
I totally would have beenvaccinated right now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
I totally would have been and honestly I credit
Malone.
Could I have had BrettWeinstein's podcast on the dark
horse with Steve Kirsch andRobert Malone?

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
It was it was those and then getting on a large
figure show like Rogan's and tohave a guy who's running for
president at that time Right, orI think he, I think he was he
had already announced right RFKhad announced when he went on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Rogan, I don't believe.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
But to be critical of all that stuff when everybody
was not was like why?
Why are you critical?
And all of a sudden we start tosee a bunch of things kind of
play out three, four years later, and you know what?
We are on a very good trackright now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Yeah, thank God for those people being willing to
speak out.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
We just don't want repeat mistakes to happen, and
so I think you know, as we shakethings out, things will get
better, so all right.
So if you enjoyed the show,please share it, and thanks for
listening, and we will catch youon the next one.