413: Running and Broken Fences: Stop Patching What Needs Replacing

In this episode of The Real Life Runners Podcast, we’re diving into a real-life backyard issue—our deteriorating fence—and what it taught us about boundaries, both literal and personal. We use this everyday challenge as a powerful metaphor for the invisible structures that support our lives, our training, and our overall well-being.

How often do we let little things slide—like a creaky fence or a nagging ache—telling ourselves we’ll deal with it later? But that “later” rarely comes without consequences. In this episode, we explore the hidden costs of procrastination, the signals our bodies send when we’re under-recovering, and how ignoring those signs can chip away at our physical and mental strength.

We talk about what it really means to set healthy boundaries—both in our training and our personal lives—and how honoring those boundaries can lead to stronger results and greater resilience. From understanding your training load and recovery needs to navigating body changes and emotional stressors, we’re bringing it all together.

We also emphasize the value of community and support, because just like a fence, we weren’t meant to hold everything up on our own. Whether it’s a running coach, a trusted friend, or a team that truly gets you, support makes all the difference in staying strong, grounded, and moving forward.

So, if you’ve been ignoring a few creaky boards—metaphorically or literally—this episode will help you recognize what needs attention and give you the tools to start rebuilding with strength, intention, and support.

02:09 – A Fence Story with Bigger Meaning
05:22 – The Real Costs of Waiting Too Long
06:56 – What Overtraining and Under-Recovery Really Look Like
22:25 – Why Boundaries Matter
23:35 – Creating Smarter Training Limits
24:16 – Balancing Effort with Recovery
25:10 – Setting Boundaries in Life and Relationships
26:19 – Respecting How Your Body Changes Over Time
28:05 – Tuning Into Your Body’s Signals
38:40 – Why You Don’t Have to Do This Alone

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Episode Transcript

Angie (00:00):
So we've had this fence in our backyard that's been
falling apart for years.
Boards missing, leaning to theside, barely holding on.
And every time we thought aboutfixing it, something got in the
way.
Money, time, other priorities.
But lately it's very clear thatwe can't keep ignoring it any
longer.
Now is the time to fix it, andthe truth is this.
Episode is obviously not aboutoffense, but it got us thinking

(00:23):
about fences.
And so today we are diving intowhat happens when those quote
unquote fences in our lives andtraining start to fail,
including our boundaries, ourenergy, and our body.
We'll talk about the hidden costof waiting, the danger of
ignoring warning signs and thepower of getting support from
someone who's done it.
Before, because whether it'sbuilding a fence or rebuilding

(00:46):
your body, you don't have to doit alone.
So stay tuned.

(01:12):
What's up runners?
Welcome back to the show today.
We are excited.
It is summer.

Kevin (01:17):
It's a DIY episode here.

Angie (01:19):
It is a di well, did we talk about summer last week?
I think so, right?
Yeah, we did.
Yeah, we talked about how.
You're not teaching summerschool this year?
Yes.
Yeah.
And do we also talk about howI've decided to load projects
and house projects on

Kevin (01:31):
like a fence?
Like

Angie (01:32):
a fence?
So that's, this week's projectis we are replacing the fence in
our backyard.
And one of the things that wereally like to do with the
podcast is relate.
Real life to running and figureout how the things that are
going on in our lives or thelives of our clients and the
things that people are dealingwith have to do with our running
and our health and our fitnessand our strength and all the

(01:54):
things.
'cause we love to tie things alltogether because that makes it
more fun.

Kevin (01:58):
because everything is connected like running does
connect to so many other aspectsof our life.
Like we used to do this back inThe early episodes Yeah.
Is we'd do a whole thing andthen we'd be like, and this is
how it connects to your reallife.
I

Angie (02:09):
know.
Yeah.
if you decided that you justfound the podcast and you wanna
go back to our initial episodes,like the first at least 10
episodes were that Yeah.
So yeah, that, but I wouldoutline the episode and we're
like, and this ties to real lifehere, just so we can tie it up
with a bow for you.

Kevin (02:26):
Yep.
Those are good

Angie (02:27):
ones.
Who wants to hear about thefence?
The fence story?

Kevin (02:30):
Oh, the fence.
the fence has been an issue forOh, so very long

Angie (02:33):
years for sure.

Kevin (02:35):
certainly years, but it got worse after, I forget what
storm hit us.
Yeah.
And the fence basically touchedour backyard ground level and
then touched our neighbor'sbackyard ground level.
So literally did like a 180,

Angie (02:48):
which I actually think we should look into.
'cause I was talking to a friendtoday and she was saying that we
might be able to claim like.
homeowner's insurance as likemaybe part of the fence
reimbursement.

Kevin (02:59):
I'm not sure.
I can still name that storm, sowe might need to find some
details.
Yeah, I

Angie (03:04):
don't know, but that might be something to look into.
I meant to tell you that.
Excellent.
I just remembered so, oh, it'sexciting.
I know.
So the fence has just been thisthing like it's ugly.
It's not.
Pretty to look at.
It's beautiful.
It is.
It is a boundary between us andour neighbor.

Kevin (03:19):
Not necessarily like a solid boundary, but certainly a
boundary.
Yeah.

Angie (03:23):
And so it's become more problematic because those boards
keep getting loose and sosometimes our dog will end up.
Through the fence and into ourneighbor's backyard.
And he didn't have a fence for awhile on the other side of his
yard because he was doing a homerenovation.
And so she would just end up inthe street and I would have
neighbors calling me saying, Ithink your dog is out front.

(03:44):
Which is really scary'causethank God she didn't run away or
get hit, get hurt or anythinglike that.
We got her back every time,thank goodness.
But that was scary.
And so then our, the fence kindof start, so that kind of became
an issue.
And then our.
The neighbor that we share theback of our yard with, he
replaced his fence.
And then when that happened, itleft this gaping hole in the

(04:07):
corner.
So then we had to rig up thiswhole contraption so that we
could still let our dog out ofthe, out into the yard without
her getting through that hole.
Huge hole in the fence andgetting away.
So that's been up for over Iwanna say, two years now, which
is a little too long for

Kevin (04:24):
that to happen, but it's hard to see because it's hiding
in the corner behind the bushes.
True.
And that's the thing is it's.
That part is not blatantlyobvious.

Angie (04:31):
Maybe I should put up a picture of this on our Facebook
story so that people can seewhat we're talking about.
Possibly, yeah.
But

Kevin (04:37):
if you just look out the window, you can't exactly tell
that we have this no, you can'tsee it.
Gaping thing in the hole.
In the corner.
You can't, yeah.
What you can tell is that wehave three different types of
fences across our backyard that

Angie (04:48):
also that

Kevin (04:49):
you definitely can tell.

Angie (04:51):
Yes.
And

Kevin (04:51):
so nothing matches in the backyard.
And so by

Angie (04:53):
three different types of fences, he means we've got the
pretty white PVC fence along theback, which is what the neighbor
replaced.
On the left side of our yard, wehave a green chain link fence
that is like the shorter Yep.
Version.
it's probably six feet like itor five feet.
Couldn't tell feet, but it'slike a little bit shorter.
and then on the right.
Side of our yard, we have thefalling apart wooden fence.

Kevin (05:14):
Yeah.
So it's immaculate.
Yeah.
Is really what our backyard isand we're gonna Gorgeous.
Yeah.
So we're gonna work on that, butI wanted to point out that part
in the corner, because that'sprobably our biggest issue.
And yet we can't even see it.
So that part keeps gettingignored.
True.
The fact that every once in awhile we get a board that falls
down on the right side and Ijust find another piece of wood

(05:34):
and nail it or screw it backtogether.
it's a short term fix.
Yeah.
But it's been short term fixesfor the last few years.
And I think that's one of thelessons that we're covering
today of this is not just apodcast about putting up a new
fence.
Because that's not what we'reexperts in.

Angie (05:50):
No, we are definitely not, and thank God we have a
friend who is an expert in thisthat is going to be helping us
with this process.
and it's true, and I think thatthis is a really important
metaphor for us to look atbecause how many times are you,
or where in your life are you?
Ignoring things because youcan't really see it.
Like we're ignoring that backcorner because it's behind the

(06:12):
bushes and we can't really seeit.
And so far our dog has beenokay.
there's been a couple timesshe's gotten out, not from that
corner though, from like theside fence and it's okay, we
really need to get this fixed.
But like Kevin said, he'll we'lljust fix that hole or patch up
that little spot.
But ultimately.
It needs to be fixed becauseboth the functionality of it is

(06:32):
fading and deteriorating as wellas the beauty of it.
Like it's definitely a site forsore eyes.
Is that.
That is an appropriate saying.
Yes, you've nailed it.
That is an appropriate saying,right?
So we definitely, the, ourbackyard is going to look so
much better when we replacethese two fences.
Like it's going to be such ahuge difference.
I should probably take a beforeand act after picture.

(06:53):
Will you remember or try toremind me to do that?
Because I always forget thebefore picture.
I always end up with an afterpicture, great

Kevin (06:59):
after

Angie (07:00):
picture, but forget the before.

Kevin (07:01):
Sometimes we end up with a 30% done.
Picture that's, that often iswhat happens.
Yeah.
It's not a Before uhhuh, it's a,we just started the repair and
we're 30% in picture.
Right.
30

Angie (07:10):
to 50% in, I remember.
Oh shoot.
I forgot to take a beforepicture and then an after.
Yeah, that's true.
today we kind of wanna look atwhere is this happening in your
life?
In your running, in your health,like what, where are those areas
that the fence is deterioratingthat you just ignore because
they're not right out in frontof your face.
They're not that quote unquoteimportant or pressing, or you're

(07:34):
getting by just by puttinglittle patches on it.
So this can happen in so manyareas.
Until, and oftentimes this isone of the reasons that so many
runners get injured is that yourbody starts to give you signs
and things kind of start showingup.
And most people just.
Ignore them.
The, the little signs, thelittle things that kind of pop

(07:55):
up.
They ignore them until theycan't anymore, until those
problems become too big and youend up sidelined and not able to
run because now you're in a fullblown injury.

Kevin (08:06):
But the signs are always there.
Yeah.
As long as you're willing toactually pay attention.
And one of the signs, I'm sureI'm not the only one that falls
to this one, and I've noticedthat this is a really important
indicator to me that I might bepushing too hard not getting
enough sleep.
If I ever go to the front officeat my school and get a second
cup of coffee from the coffeemaker, that's been like slow

(08:28):
roasting that coffee for thelast five hours.
That's not delicious.
But if I'm at the point where Ineed that second cup of coffee,
it's probably time to take arest day.
The next day.
Yeah.
Like that.
It's a sign, but.
I can get by, I could continueto just have that second cup of
coffee and that would continueto last me for a while.
That's what we're doing with thefence of eh, we'll just screw

(08:49):
those two boards back together.

Angie (08:50):
Yeah, and I think that oftentimes when we screw those
boards back together, a lot ofus rely on some of those old
paradigms, those old trainingmethods or things that we've
looked at and used before as therepair patches like If you are
someone that is over 40,especially if you're a woman and
your hormones are changing nowand you're noticing that maybe

(09:12):
you're putting on, you'regaining weight during your
training where you never hadthat problem before.
One of the old patches andparadigms that a lot of people
will use is to cut calories andto try to restrict food intake
and a lot of, for most womenthat I work with, this tends to
make the problem much worse andit actually.
Causes other problems inaddition to that.

(09:34):
So not only do you now have theoriginal problem of the weight
gain, you now have more weightgain and now other problems like
fatigue, like more aches andpains in your joints or in your
muscles less, Less recovery or,needing more recovery in between
your workouts.
and because you're not fuelingyour body well.
So in trying to put on theselittle patches, we oftentimes

(09:58):
create a bigger problem forourselves.

Kevin (10:00):
Yeah, this is the idea of I can always just, I can do
enough to myself that I canmanage to push through what,
maybe I'll, you pointed outcutting calories, but maybe I do
get a little extra afternoonsnack and that will be enough
that I can stick with mytraining plan.
Maybe I get, the, the second cupof coffee, maybe I get a little

(10:20):
strong.
I fill up my cup of coffee'causeI do this one to Angie all the
time.
I fill up my own coffee.
Coffee cup just a little extrafull in the morning, and it's
just enough that it doesn't seemlike it's that big of an issue
because it's enough that I canget by.
But what I'm not really doing istaking care of the actual issue
just because.
the fence does still exist, doesnot mean that it's actually

(10:43):
doing a good job of being afence.
Just because I've got my secondcup of coffee doesn't mean that
my training plan actually is ontrack.
I'm checking boxes, but I mightnot actually be getting what I'm
getting.
I'm aiming for out of theworkout itself.

Angie (10:56):
Yeah.
And then your wife doesn't haveher full coffee amount, and
that's not gonna lead to goodthings either.
That's that for everybody.
No, I'm just.
Kidding.
But now we have a teenagerthat's decided she's drinking
coffee also.
So I do find myself on some dayshaving to make a second pot of
coffee because I'm like, I liketo have two cups of coffee,
which is not excessive.
Yeah.
But I enjoy that first cup, butthen I like to have a second

(11:18):
cup.
It's just kind of part of mymorning routine and I haven't
been getting that second cup, soI've been having to make some
more coffee.

Kevin (11:25):
Yeah.
You just actually enjoy thesecond cup I need.
The first cup.
Yeah.
Otherwise, I literally can't domath in my head.

Angie (11:31):
I don't need any of it.
I just, I really enjoy coffee.

Kevin (11:34):
Yeah.
I require it, yeah.
To function.
And honestly, like I'm soconnected to the caffeine, like
I respond so well to it that ifI go a day without it, I have
an.
I have a headache by theafternoon.
Yeah.
And I'm just not focused all daylong.
Yeah.
My students know it.
Like during first period they'relike, Mr.
Brown, can you just finish yourcoffee so that you can actually
form coherent thoughts andexplain the math to us?

(11:55):
Really?
They've

Angie (11:55):
said that.
Oh my gosh.

Kevin (11:57):
Not my freshman.
My freshman are too.
No, too nervously.
But like the

Angie (11:59):
ones that know you, like

Kevin (12:00):
the ones that have had me for a few years, like Mr.
Brent could just take a minuteand finish the coffee and then
we can continue our class here.

Angie (12:07):
That's wild.
But I really like what you saidthere before too, of Just
because it's still standingdoesn't mean it's strong.
And I think that's a reallyimportant lesson that we can
take away from the fence.
And I would invite you to lookat your life, your training, and
ask yourself what is a littlebit wobbly in your body, in your

(12:29):
training, in your life?
That just because it's stillstanding, just because it's
still there.
Doesn't mean it's actuallystrong, doesn't mean it's
actually doing its job.
And I think that we all havethose areas if we are being
fully honest with ourselves.
I think that, for me, I wouldsay that one of those areas is
my mobility and I think that I.

(12:51):
Can definitely devote some moretime and attention to my
mobility work, especially in myankles, because I have limited
ankle mobility, but there's justsome things that I do or like I
prioritize instead of that, andI do my mobility work.
It's not that I ignore itcompletely, but I know that it's
probably not where it should be.

Kevin (13:12):
And ankle mobility is not like an a fun thing to do.
It's just not, and that's thestuff that we tend to ignore.
Yeah.
I'd much

Angie (13:19):
rather just lift the heavy weight.

Kevin (13:21):
Yeah.
And I would much rather go for arun Yeah.
Than to hit up some extrastrength training.
And I definitely would.
I would rather hit up strengthtraining than do mobility work.
I can do a small routine becauseit helps me feel fine, but
doesn't help me actually performat my best.
Yeah, no, it helps me feel fine.
And that's where I'm at withmobility.
I could probably.
Improve things from there.
I could also definitely spendsome more time in the gym.

Angie (13:43):
Yeah.
again, just because it's stillstanding doesn't mean it's
strong and there is always acost of waiting on things and
hopefully for you and for usright now, like the fence is
still standing.
It's not like anything quoteunquote bad has happened yet,
thank goodness.
Like our dog has gotten out acouple times and that could have

(14:03):
been really bad.
Yep.
and thank goodness it wasn't,but.
I know, and Kevin knows, andthis is the last time she got
out I was like, that's it.
We have to deal with this.
I cannot be worried every time Ilet the dog out that she might
get out of our yard.
that's just too much anxiety,but.
And I said, don't

Kevin (14:22):
worry, I'll put up another piece of wood on the
fence.

Angie (14:24):
Yeah.
And so it just, it's unnecessarystress really that's being added
to our life.
it's an eyesore, like it is.
I don't like looking at ourfence.
Like even when we had, we had abirthday party here for me in
February and I love hostingparties, but that was in the
back of my mind is oh, we havean ugly fence.
Like part of me is I don'treally want people outside.

(14:44):
And so Kevin really made ourbackyard super pretty by.
Stringing up all a bunch ofChristmas lights and so I was
very happy with that.
Yeah.

Kevin (14:51):
Twinkle lights distracted from the fence.

Angie (14:52):
Distracted.
But that, how many times do wedo that in our lives, right?
Like yeah.
Oh,

Kevin (14:56):
don't worry.
Look over here, this sparklything, it's literally what we
did.

Angie (14:59):
It's exactly what we did.
Because I'm like, oh my God,that fence is so embarrassing,
but now we're gonna be able toreplace it.

Kevin (15:05):
but that, do I need to actually work the mobility or
could I just change my shoes?
maybe with this new style ofshoe, I don't even need to work
on this weakness in my body,right?
This lack of mobility, this lackof strength.
I'll just, pay a little extrafor the shoes.
Yeah.
because it's a quick

Angie (15:20):
fix.
that's what happened with myshoes, right?
Like they changed my shoes.
So I was, I've been running inthe Brooks launch for a while,
and they changed my heel dropfrom a 10 millimeter to an eight
millimeter in the latest model.
And it's not comfortable for meanymore.
And a big part of that reason isbecause I have.
Tight, Achilles and calfs, andthat also leads to tightness in
my plantar fascia, and I knowthat if I was better about doing

(15:43):
mobility.
That would be less of a problem.
I'm not saying it wouldcompletely solve everything, but
I think it would be less of aproblem and I could probably do
enough mobility to make thoseshoes work, but I don't want to
like, I just don't want to.

Kevin (15:59):
Alright, so this is changing.
We on a tangent here, but I havepretty solid ankle mobility.
You have

Angie (16:04):
very good ankle mobility.
I

Kevin (16:06):
know.
So how come I like the giantheel drop.

Angie (16:09):
how big is yours?

Kevin (16:10):
It's like 12.

Angie (16:11):
Is it really?
Yeah.

Kevin (16:12):
Mine is the last time I looked up the, an online review
for it.
they referred to it asastronomical.
Astronomical.
Yeah.
'cause most people don't bothergoing to double digits.
Like eight is pretty commonright now.
I know because a lot of peopleare pushing to get a lower heel
drop.
So you get a lot of eight tonines

Angie (16:26):
and I would like to, in theory, be in a lower heel drop
shoe.
I think that in general, that'sa better move for me.
I just also know how much workis going to take me to get my
mobility to where it needs to bein order to make that.
A pain-free running experience.
And so right now, and I think I,it's one of those things that
like, okay, I need to do thisand I know that I need to do

(16:48):
this, but right now I'm gonnabuy a different shoe and I'm
gonna return this pair of shoesbecause I'm not there yet, and I
can continue to put it off justa little bit longer.
Okay.
So I ordered new shoes lastnight, by the way.
Excellent.

Kevin (17:01):
I just keep putting off ordering new shoes.
Yeah.
I don't.
I've been in the same style ofshoe forever, and they do very
little other than cosmeticallyto change the shoe from one year
to the next.
So I've been happy with thisshoe for decades of running.
Yeah.
And it works for me.
I like the idea of trying adifferent shoe.
My shoe is remarkably heavy.
Relative to the other shoes outthere.

(17:22):
Yeah.
So I'd be interested and open todo it, but I offered.
I know, but its heel drop is somuch bigger than anything else
on the market.
And it'd

Angie (17:31):
probably be okay though because you don't have the
limitations in your ankle andyour calves like I do.

Kevin (17:36):
I know.

Angie (17:36):
I think you'd probably be fine.

Kevin (17:37):
the last time that I successfully ran a marathon I
did it in my trainers because itprevented my calves from
cramping up part way throughinstead of running it in like
old school racing flats.

Angie (17:45):
yeah, you would just have to work your way into'em, like
anybody.
Oh, okay.
it's just like a transitionperiod.

Kevin (17:51):
thankfully I live with a physical therapist.
Hey.
Hey.

Angie (17:53):
So anywho, when we continue to put things off, not
only do we have to pay.
The price of the original thingthat we needed to fix or
address.
But now there's like interest ontop of that, right?
so the longer you put offstrength training or rest, the
longer it's gonna take you torecover.
Not really strength training orrest, but the longer you put off

(18:14):
resting, it's going to takelonger for you to recover if you
just keep trying to pile on moreand more training until you get
to the point where your bodymight force rest on you with
illness or injury.
And that's what happens a lot oftimes.

Kevin (18:28):
Yeah.
this also covers the whole ideaof under fueling.
there's, an interestingconversation to be had of, are
people over training or are theysimply under fueling what
they're trying to put their bodythrough

Angie (18:39):
and under recovering.

Kevin (18:40):
Yeah.
But.
Is it, are they over training orjust not properly recovering?
'cause the body can handleabsurd loads.
Yeah.
As long as you, you bring it onat a somewhat gradual pace and
then allow the recoverynecessary

Angie (18:55):
and the fuel, like you said.

Kevin (18:56):
And then the fuel and the recovery time.
They're all part of the samething.
there was a study that came out,I forget, it was a few years ago
on a different podcast I waslistening to, but that was the
whole premise of the paper isthere is no such thing as over
training.
It's just under recovery,whether it's.
Allowing your muscles the timeto recover or lacking the fuel
to provide the recovery, youjust need to have that thing

(19:18):
built in there.
Yeah.
For us, I think the cost of thematerials have gone up over the
time since we put off puttingthe fence in there in the first
place.

Angie (19:25):
Yeah.
I think that there was a slightperiod of time where they went.
Down just a little bit, but yes,now with all of the taxes and
tariffs and all the other thingsthat are going on, the cost of
construction and material goodsjust continues to rise.
Yes.
so it is probably more expensivefor us to do our fence now than,
it's definitely more expensiveto do it now than it would've
been 10 years ago when we movedinto the house.

(19:47):
certainly, And and the fence wasnot in good shape back then
either, right?
it's not, like the fence wasperfect at that point, but it
was.
It needed some work.
our neighbor actually refers toit as the Franken fence because
it's not in a straight linebecause the way that they
installed the fence, they did itaround a big tree that was
there.
So it's it was like thiscrooked.

(20:08):
Messed up mesh of a fence

Kevin (20:11):
and as the fence grew, as the tree grew and kept snapping
boards in the fence.
Yeah.
It then had to get replaced withnew boards and so That thus the
Franken fence is Yeah.
Different boards are ofdifferent ages.
That's true.
That are holding the thingtogether.

Angie (20:22):
Because of the different, the trees in the bushes that
kind of grew through them andcontinued to break the fence.
Yeah.

Kevin (20:27):
cause the tree was alive.

Angie (20:29):
Alive.
Thank you.
So

Kevin (20:31):
I had to get the sound.
Fantastic.

Angie (20:32):
Well done.
Well done.
It's always a good time to askyourself, okay, what is this
costing me or what is the hiddencost of not acting, of
continuing to ignore this thing?
are you, giving yourself anincreased physical load?
So is there an increasedphysical cost that you're
putting on yourself?
Is there.
An increased emotional costthat's going on here with

(20:55):
frustration or defeat or time,or even your identity as a
runner.
We talk a lot about identity onthe podcast, and if you're not
addressing some of these thingsand your times are getting
slower as a result, or if yourperformance is going down, what
is that costing you?
Like your belief in yourself.
that's something that is.

(21:17):
Harder to build back up, and Idon't think that we oftentimes
look at that I as something thatis like a hidden cost.
And so I would invite you tolook at it right now.
is there something that's goingon that if you were to address a
couple of things or maybe justeven one thing in your training,
you would be able to gain backmore strength, more energy, more

(21:41):
confidence in yourself as arunner.

Kevin (21:44):
Yeah, that one thing might be eating, that.
One thing might be somerefueling, some strength, some
mobility.
There's a whole lot of smallthings that you could be
addressing and trying to gainback some of that identity.
But there's, you would talkabout hidden costs.
There's also just the big costof, you might be trying to patch
things and it's leading towardsa larger injury that's gonna

(22:04):
sideline you for a while.
And then that might actuallyhave some significant financial
costs to it.
Of a big injury.
that's true.
You need to then get some helpfor That's,

Angie (22:11):
yeah, that's true.
Because what you could addressright now through some strength
and mobility exercises that thenturns into an injury.
Now you need an x-ray or an MRIor a visit to the orthopedic
surgeon and now physical therapyvisits, like all of that
definitely adds up a lot.
And very quickly.

Kevin (22:28):
Very quickly.

Angie (22:29):
And It's important for us to remember you're always paying
a cost, like when we ignorecertain things in our lives,
you're paying a cost.
It's just a matter of when andhow you pay it, and if you have
to pay that thing with intereston top of it as well.
All right, so what's anotherreason that we're talking about
fences?
Like what is a fence?

(22:50):
A fence represents a boundary A,it's something that separates,
it protects, it, defines it,creates privacy.
And as.
People in midlife, we needstronger internal and external
boundaries.
And I think that this issomething that becomes very hard
for a lot of people, especiallyif you're someone who has been a

(23:13):
people pleaser for the majorityof your life.
And then you get to midlife,especially women in
perimenopause and menopause.
And we don't have as much energyas we used to have.
We don't have as much time as weused to have because not only
are we now taking care ofourselves.
We're now taking care of ourkids and our spouses and our
animals, and maybe aging parentsand falling down fences in our

(23:34):
house.
there are always a millionthings going on.
And so we don't have the sametime or energy that we used to
have.
And when that happens, it's veryimportant for us to set
boundaries and understand whatdeserves our time and our energy
and what does not deserve ourtime and our energy, or what can
we.
put off till later.

(23:54):
What do we need?
What needs our attention rightnow?
it also is important for us tounderstand what kind of
boundaries we need to hold inour training.
what kind of load are we able toaccumulate right now, like adapt
to right now?
what kind of training load isour body able to handle without?
Ending us in injury.

Kevin (24:13):
Which is a very interesting thing because you
talk about putting greater loadon the body because we have so
many more things that we'retrying to handle as we get
older, there may be things thatyou actually have time that
you're like, actually, I canhandle this.
You have

Angie (24:28):
more time?
Yes.
Yeah.

Kevin (24:29):
Physically.
We can handle all sorts of loadsat all sorts of different ages.

Angie (24:34):
The body is amazing.
The body

Kevin (24:35):
is phenomenal.
Yeah.
As long as we have appropriatebalance between the load that
we're asking it to handle andthe recovery that we're able to
give it.
If we don't have time torecover, then we have to reduce
the load.
If we have plenty of time torecover and we're totally good
with providing appropriate fuel,maybe that's an issue That's.

(24:56):
Just been creeping in thebackground of you're like, no.
I have no issues with food.
I can totally provide food.
And now you've made it to apoint where suddenly maybe there
are small issues with food thatare coming up that you're having
a greater difficulty refuelingyourself because.
You actually are, you have thetime to put in a greater
training, but you wanna makesure that you're refueling it
appropriately and suddenly thingthoughts about food that you

(25:18):
didn't think existed have nowpopped themselves up.
You've gotta make sure that youare able to balance the
appropriate intensity and volumeof training with the appropriate
recovery that you have availableto you.

Angie (25:30):
and that requires holding boundaries, understanding the
boundaries that you need to havearound yourself, and your energy
and your time, and yourtraining, and your sleep and
your recovery and all thethings.
And then actually being able tohold those boundaries.
So for example.
Knowing that you have a long runearly on Saturday morning might

(25:52):
mean that you have to say no togoing out with your friends on
Friday night.
Especially if those are thefriends that tend to stay out a
little bit later.
You might need to hold thatboundary and.
At first, your friends might notbe happy about it.
And again, this is going to goback to your own values and
priority of what do you wannaplace a higher value on right
now?

(26:12):
Do you wanna place a highervalue on your friend's opinions
of this not friendship, right?
We're not talking about isfriendship more important than
running, but is your friend'sopinion of this, of you not
coming?
Out this one time more importantthan your commitment to your
runs?
I can't answer that question.
Only you can, right?

(26:33):
another boundary that you mighthave to hold is setting limits
around your runs.
Knowing that, when I was in mytwenties or in my thirties, I
was able to go out and run 30,40 miles a week, and I was able
to hit this pace and I was ableto train with this intensity.
You might not be able to do thatright now because your body is

(26:53):
changing.
Your body's different in yourforties, your fifties, your
sixties than it was when youwere in your twenties and your
thirties.
And it's important for you toacknowledge that and to accept
that and to hold that boundaryand not let your ego get the
best of you, right?
Because all of us experiencethis, so I say you, I'm also
pointing the finger at myselfbecause.

(27:14):
It all.
It always cre.
Not always, but like it doeshave a tendency to creep up
sometimes and you're like, butI.
I was, I can do this, right?
it would totally be fine if Iadded an extra mile here, if I
pushed a little bit harder here.
Like I can totally do that.
And then your body reminds you,you're not, what it used.
It's not what it used to be.
And that's not a bad thing,right?

(27:34):
It's not like that you're worsethan you were.
It's just not the same

Kevin (27:38):
and your.
Priorities might not be thesame.
You also might not need thatsame level of training that you
used to need exactly when youwere in your twenties.
the way that the amount ofvolume, the intensity is not
necessarily as required.
You've if you've been puttingin.
Training for 10, 15, 20 years,you just need to maintain.

(27:59):
Okay.
You don't necessarily need totrain the same way that you did
when you were in your twenties.
Like when I was late teens,early twenties, the amount of
workouts, there was at least oneworkout a week that I.
I, to, to use a nice littlephrase, I went to the, I would
often go to the well with ashovel and dig deeper.

(28:19):
I sometimes visit the, sometimesI see it.
That's where I'm at in mycurrent training.
This morning I was supposed todo a workout that was gonna have
eight rounds of one minute hardand three minutes recovery.
And I made it through six and itwas a thousand degrees outside.
And I was like, I could do it.
It's only two more rounds ofthis.

(28:39):
This is literally just two moreminutes of running.
Yeah.
But I don't think I should.

Angie (28:44):
Yeah.
What's the benefit of it?
Is that's the question that wehave to ask.
It's funny'cause I almost had asimilar experience on my run
this morning too, and we almostdid the same workout, which is
funny.
So I did one, two ones.
So that is one minute hard.
Two minute recovery, one minute,medium.
Yeah.
Repeated.
And so I had it programmed intomy watch for eight repetitions

(29:06):
and my friend had sevenrepetitions, programmed into her
watch.
So there was a little bit of amiscommunication, in the
screenshot that I sent orwhatever it might have been,
and.
From the time that my runstarted, because like you said,
when I went out at six 30 thismorning, it was already hot and
so humid.
I was like, oh my gosh.
I could just, you can feel theair.

(29:27):
There was like this heaviness tothe air this morning and I
started running and my body wasnot feeling it.
I was a little sore fromStrength Day yesterday.
Okay.
And I even said when we get to,because usually I run about a
mile, I run about 10 minutes andthen I stop and do a little bit
of stretching and open up myhips, open up my calves, and I
said to my friend, usually it'sone or the other, right?

(29:50):
Usually it's your legs aren'tfeeling good, but your
breathing's fine.
Or your breathing's feelingreally good, but your legs are
tired.
I was like, Nope.
Today it's both like my wholebody was just like not into this
run today.
It was not a good, it was justnot a great day for running for
me.
And She said, what do you wannado?
Like when we got to the end ofthe rounds, she, we finished our
seventh interval and she's we'redone.

(30:11):
And I was like, wait, you onlyhave seven?
and she's yeah, isn't that whatwe're doing?
I was like, I have eight.
And she's what do you wanna do?
I'm like, I'm done.
this is the sign that.
I got through seven.
I'm good with that.
And like you said, what's thebenefit of really doing that?
Eighth, I'm not training for arace right now.
I'm training for overall healthand fitness.
Pushing on that last repetitionwould really give me no benefit

(30:35):
and even have the potential fornegativity.

Kevin (30:38):
Even if you were training for a race, yeah, it's still
possible that last rep was notgonna be as beneficial.

Angie (30:43):
It's possible, but there's always that mental
benefit of finishing a workout.
so there, there's always somebenefit, especially if you're
like, really?
if running and runningperformance is the goal, but
that's not my goal right now.
My goal is strength building,right?
So I have to take that intoconsideration.
And because of my strengthworkout yesterday, my legs
weren't fully recovered today.
So that made my strength or myspeed session even harder.

Kevin (31:06):
Yeah, I was starting to get nauseous.
Because it was, a bajilliondegrees.
Yeah.
it's, the dew point was killingit.
When the dew point's like over75, I, it's, I am struggling.
Yeah.
And it was 76 through the entirerun and the clouds were there
for the first half of it.
And what is the dew point?
It is the temperature at whichhumidity.
Becomes dew.

(31:27):
Yeah.
At which the, it, the watervapor would turn into just
straight liquid.
okay.
It would just start to createfog or rain.
Or if you had a surface, itwould just condense on the
surface.

Angie (31:36):
And that changes.

Kevin (31:37):
That changes, yes.

Angie (31:38):
Oh, why isn't just like a set dew point.

Kevin (31:41):
It has to do with how, what that actual outside
temperature is.
Humidity.
The humidity.
Humidity, and like how much sunexposure you have.
It's connected to the wet bulbtemperature.

Angie (31:50):
Okay?
And so that is also partlyresponsible for how much water I
have on my skin at the end ofthe run, too.

Kevin (31:56):
Yes, because the higher the dew point is, the less
useful sweating is.
Okay?
That's the issue, is you sweatlike crazy, but it's so humid
outside that it can't goanywhere.
It's connected to dew point.
In order to actually have thatwater, then be able to turn into
vapor, you would need to act.
That'cause that's the benefit ofsweating is you bring the water

(32:17):
to the surface and then itvaporizes and that cools your
body.
it doesn't vaporize here, itjust drips off your elbow.

Angie (32:23):
So if lower dew points are better, yes.
Got it.

Kevin (32:26):
Yeah.
Once it hits 70 it's oppressive.
And this morning it was 76.

Angie (32:31):
Yeah, it felt depressive, that's for sure.
That's for sure.
But yeah, so sometimes we doneed to set those boundaries
around our runs and know when tocall it quits.
and that doesn't mean you're aquitter, and that doesn't mean
that you're quitting yourworkout.
It means you're listening toyour body and understanding.
The risk to, benefit ratio,

Kevin (32:50):
risk reward ratio.
Thank you.
Risk

Angie (32:52):
reward.
I know there was an R there.
Benefit

Kevin (32:54):
works too.
No benefit.
Works out just fine.
Yeah.
But like when I was younger,there's a coaching euphemism out
there that's leave one rep inreserve.
Yeah.
And as we get a little older,it's very often suggested that
it should be leave to andreserve.
Maybe three.
And because you've done so muchwork that you don't have to hit
everything and it's part ofdesigning a workout because you

(33:17):
pointed out It's, you don't wantto quit early on all of the
workouts.
But

Angie (33:21):
yeah, you don't wanna make that a habit.

Kevin (33:23):
No.
But it's possible that you hadover-programmed True that.
Eight was too much that youshould have gone out there
knowing that you were going forsix or seven, that eight was
gonna be too much.
I went out hoping for eight,thinking that six was at least
going to be able to happen andseeing how I felt.
And I could have done eight, butI would've been spent and I knew

(33:43):
what I had to do in terms ofactually physically moving stuff
for our fence.
which was moving like 3000pounds of concrete.
Yeah.
That was following the run.
I didn't have the ability to getsuper dizzy and pass out in the
middle of that process.
Yeah.
There were bags of concrete tobe moved.

Angie (33:57):
Yeah, and I think that again, that's another point that
you needed to set a boundaryaround your run because of you
knew what was coming during therest of your day in your real
life, you know what was going tobe asked of you that day.
And for you, it was a veryphysically demanding task to go
to Lowe's and get all the cementand load the cement and unload
the cement.

(34:18):
And obviously over the nextcouple of days you're gonna be
digging holes and replacing thefence itself in God.

Kevin (34:23):
I'm so excited.

Angie (34:25):
All of that is very physically demanding work.
But it's also important that ifyou have a very mentally
challenging day ahead of you aswell, that you don't go.
All in your physical workoutthat morning, because then
mentally you're gonna be friedfor the rest of the day.
Also, like if you know you hadto teach a class or give a
really important presentation atwork, that is really important

(34:47):
to take into consideration whenyou.
during your workout that day,you need to set a boundary.
I am not going to push to thispoint because I need to have
stuff in reserve for the rest ofmy day.
Yes.

Kevin (34:57):
I still don't have enough energy.
That was the thing is I was notsure what I had going for the
rest of the day, but then Igained a text message in the
middle of my run and realizedthat I was gonna be moving
concrete.
Once I got back to the houseThat's then some boundaries were
put into my day and that's finebecause the priority for this
week is literally putting thefence in.
So I was like, if I can get somespeed in, that'd be great

(35:19):
because I'm probably not gonnabe able to get a whole lot of
speed on the back end of theweek when I'm super tired.
So I got in most of the workoutand I realized I need to make
sure that I'm still taking careof myself physically.
I need to have time to get ingood food before I continue
lifting things for the rest ofthe day.
It was making sure that Iprioritized my overall health
over being able to check a boxand say, yes, I got in rep seven

(35:41):
and eight.

Angie (35:41):
Yeah, and I agree and I think that, one more boundary
that I wanna point out before wemove on is this idea of eating
enough.
I know we've mentioned nutritiona couple of times so far
throughout the podcast, but Ithink that this is also an
important boundary for us to setas well, is knowing that
fueling.
Your body is really important.

(36:02):
Like I need to eat enough fuelif I'm going to ask my body to
perform, and that might meanthat I set a boundary about what
I'm watching on social media.
That might mean I set a boundaryand I don't talk to my friend
about food because she's on adiet.
You, we all have that one friendthat's just always on a diet or

(36:23):
always restricting and.
If you don't want that to be aninfluence on you in a negative
way, you set a boundary of oh, Ican still talk to that friend.
We're just not gonna talk aboutfood or diet or whatever it
might be.
If there are certain people thatyou follow on social media,
maybe you, with all goodintentions, have followed
different dieticians or thingslike that, trying to learn about

(36:45):
food on social media, and thatis wonderful education.
I'm all for it until it makesyou.
Over obsess and hyper obsessiveabout the food that you're
putting in your body becausethat becomes problematic also.
And I know because that was me,like I had a problem.
I was never diagnosedofficially, but I think that I

(37:06):
had a mild.
Maybe a little bit more thanmild case of Orthorexia where I
was so concerned and like thateverything that I ate had to be
quote unquote healthy.
It had to be clean.
It had to be natural.
I couldn't eat any preservativesor anything like that, that it
was affecting.
My ability to go over to myfamily's house for family dinner

(37:28):
and, making sure that we'reeating the right things and all
of that.
these are boundaries that youmight have to set of okay, you
know what, I can't.
I'm gonna unfollow some of thesedieticians because it's making
me obsess too much over what I'meating.
I need to learn how to tune intomy body signals and trust that I
need to.
Eat enough to fuel my body andto feel better in my skin.

Kevin (37:49):
Yeah, and there's some great athletes out there who are
advocates of making sure thatyou eat enough and tell their
own stories of recovery fromeating disorders, and that is a
constant like that.
That is always part of my feedbecause it's so encouraging of
making sure that you're fuelingyour body enough.

Angie (38:06):
So if it's doing you good, fantastic.

Kevin (38:08):
Yes.

Angie (38:08):
it just depends on how you're interpreting whatever
information you're taking in.
Exactly.
Yeah.
And

Kevin (38:12):
that's always what it is make sure that you are putting
in the information that is goingto make you treat yourself the
best.

Angie (38:18):
And To bring it back to our fence, like when you have a
shaky fence that's going to letthings in and out without
control when there's holes inthe fence, or you can just move
aboard out of the way and getthrough the fence, versus a
solid fence, a solid boundarythat is going to protect your
energy, your goals, your growth,give you the privacy that you

(38:40):
need to grow in whatever area ofyour life you need to grow.
And then going back to that textmessage that you received on
your run today with our amazingfriend that is helping us with
this project, because he's donemultiple fences.
He's put up his fence and otherpeople's fence in our circles,
and so he's helping us out.
Another lesson that our fencereminded of us is that you can't

(39:04):
do things without supportsometimes, like your support
system is absolutely criticaland trying to build a fence
alone.
If we tried to do this byourselves, this would not go
well whatsoever.
And so sometimes it means thatyou have to bring in a friend
that knows a lot more than youabout it.
And luckily we have that friend.

(39:24):
Sometimes it means you have tohire a professional, a fence
person to come in and put up afence, a contractor, and you're
gonna have to pay that person todo the fence.
But we all need a supportsystem.
At some point, we all needbackup, but our friend, he's
done this before, so he's takingthe lead.
He is the one that's completelyguiding the process.

(39:46):
He knows the tools and thepermits and how to build the
fence to code and make sure thatwe're digging the holes deep
enough and using the rightamount of concrete.
Like I knew none of this stuff,and I'm sure like you didn't
really know this stuff either,did you?

Kevin (39:57):
Oh, yeah.
No, I have this all

Angie (39:58):
fence knowledge.
Obviously.
It's my

Kevin (40:00):
fence knowledge.
Okay.
He also, he not only knows thetool, the tools and how he has
them all.
He has all of the tools.

Angie (40:07):
Yeah.
Like how much would we have hadto spend in tools that he just
has, Like we would

Kevin (40:11):
have to be like renting all these things and be like, is
it worth it to rent that?
Should we buy that particulartool?
And then we buy the tool.
We're trying to deal that.
Fixing our garage is anothersummer fun project that we're
gonna do.
I'm sure we may have a Garagepodcast coming at some point.
Oh

Angie (40:24):
there's definitely gonna be a garage podcast.
'cause that's gonna be our wholegym.

Kevin (40:27):
Perfect.
Let's make sure we get a beforeand after of that.
Yeah.

Angie (40:29):
I already forgot the before.
Dang it.
But I do have the current stateof the garage.

Kevin (40:33):
that kind of looks like a before.
Yeah.
So that's close enough.
I think

Angie (40:36):
it's good.

Kevin (40:36):
but.
if we go out and we buy the newtool, where is that thing going
to live?

Angie (40:41):
But not only that, this whole, DIY process is to save
money.
Yes.
So if you have to buy a ton oftools in the process, is it even
worth it?
Or would you be better justpaying a professional to come in
and do it?
And you wouldn't even have toput out any of the effort,

Kevin (40:55):
Because then you know that it's getting done
correctly.
Yeah.
You bring in the expert if.
we have a friend who's going tobe able to really guide us
through this, and I'm going tobe able to go out there and do
some manual labor, but undersome very clear direction and
guidance.
Otherwise, I'm just randomlydigging holes in her backyard.
And that's not helping anybody?
No.
that's not useful.
just how much concrete?
I don't know.

(41:15):
I don't know.
Like a fistful of it.
that's probably not theappropriate amount.
That's probably

Angie (41:18):
not enough.

Kevin (41:19):
I don't know these answers, but under some guidance
I can get it done.
Without him, we would've gone aprofessional route.
Yeah.
So that it, the sides of ourhouse are then put up correctly.
Like we actually have fencesthat will then stand, it's
hurricane time around here, sowe need appropriately built.
Fences.
Yeah.
For all the things that we'vetalked about, metaphorically, we
actually need some strong fencesaround here.

(41:40):
And if I didn't have the abilityto do it or we didn't have
somebody who could guide us toit, then we go the professional
route and get somebody who canactually do it correctly.

Angie (41:48):
And this is exactly what a good coach does, right?
The.
The coach, like our friend, isbasically coaching us and
guiding us.
Like we are the ones that aregonna be doing a lot of the
work.
He's obviously doing the work aswell, and we're bringing in some
other helpers, to help us outtoo.
But this is what coaching can dofor you as well, or a guide or a

(42:09):
mentor or a running friend thathas been doing this a lot longer
than you.
Someone that is able to, thathas been there and is able to
guide you through this.
Can save time, save money,reduce overwhelm, prevent
injury, helps you to do it rightwith the first time without all
of the mistakes that they'vepossibly made along the way.
the coach can help you adjustthe plan when things get

(42:32):
complicated like there has beenso far, it's been pretty smooth
sailing, but we've had ourguide, our coach, like with us
the whole time.
Like he went down to the fencingsupply place with Kevin.
He came and picked him up.
He's like the nicest guy ever.
And.
Drove him down to the fencesupply place and placed the
order with him.
He took we, went with you to getthe concrete from Lowe's this

(42:53):
is.
Such an amazing thing that he'sdoing for us and helping us out
with, and that's what a reallygood coach can do for you too.

Kevin (43:01):
Yeah, there was stuff that we bought at Lowe's today.
He goes, oh, we need to get acouple of two by fours.
and two of those buckets overthere.
I just said, yes.
Yeah.
that's the thing.
No, you question okay, I'll gograb those.
And that's where the coach comesin, is they see things that
you're like, that you didn'tthink that you were going to
necessarily need.
you talk about mobility.
So many people, when they thinkof their running training plan.
Are thinking about how manymiles should I go?

(43:23):
And they don't necessarily putin something like mobility,
which is super, super important.
Yeah.
That was the idea of, oh, maybeI should grab those buckets
because we're gonna need to beable to actually measure out
some concrete.

Angie (43:33):
So just like we would not.
Attempt to build a fence with noplan, no tools, and no clue.
That's how so many runners areapproaching their training, and
you can tell me that it'sdifferent, but I really think
this is a pretty darn goodmetaphor that we're using here
because if you want to havesomething that is strong and

(43:54):
stable, whether it's a fence.
Or your body, which I wouldargue is way more important,
right?
Like you need some guidancealong the way.
You need some support along theway.
And support doesn't meanweakness.
It doesn't mean ignorance.
Support seeking out the correctsupport for yourself and what
you need.
That's wisdom, right?

(44:15):
knowing when to say.
I'm really not sure what I'mdoing here.
That's a sign of maturity ofgrowth, of wisdom, of strength
to say I need some help guys.
Like where can I get some help?
And I think it's reallyimportant because so many people
think that running is a solosport running.
I can just figure it out.
It's just running.
I just have to put some shoes onand go out and run.

(44:36):
And.
That can get you to a point, butif you are looking to improve
and do it pain free and not getinjured in the process, having a
good support system is reallyimportant.

Kevin (44:47):
I can put some shoes on and head out the door.
Gets you to a point if you getlucky on the first pair of shoes
you buy also.
Sure.
Like you could wreck yourselfreal quick before you even start
Yeah.
with a training plan that you'renot sure of.
Yeah.
So having some guidance along atall of the steps is super, super
helpful.

Angie (45:02):
So yeah, yes, we mentioned a coach, but it's also
the same thing like with thetraining plan, like having a
training plan that is right foryou.
That includes all the thingsthat you need to include, the
runs, the intensity of the runs,the distance of the runs, the
strength training, and themobility that you can add.
the recovery days.
Like all of those things arereally important for you to

(45:23):
build the strongest fence orbody that you want to have.
In summary to wrap it all up.
So here's how it relates to reallife, Kevin.

Kevin (45:33):
Nailed it.

Angie (45:34):
Yeah.
So when you look at yourtraining, listening to us today,
hopefully you've already startedto spark some of these areas and
ideas within yourself, but.
Ask yourself, and maybe eventake some time to journal on
this a little bit.
Where in your life are youputting something off that might
be quietly falling apart?
And maybe that is related toyour training and your body.

(45:57):
Maybe it's a relationship.
Maybe it's another area of yourlife.
Because again, all of this istied together.
Whatever's happening in youroutside world, whether it's,
maybe it's a friendship, maybeit's a relationship with a
family member that.
There's a certain level ofstress that is going on with
whatever that area is that isdefinitely affecting your

(46:21):
running.
Like I'm not even maybeaffecting your running.
It's definitely affecting howyou show up and what you're able
to do in your running as well.

Kevin (46:27):
Yeah, that really.
Now you are right back into likeour first 20 episodes or so of
everything that we talked about.
That was a lovely metaphor forrunning, is also a metaphor for
all of the other areas in yourlife, whether like whatever
relationships you have withothers, are there parts of those
relationships that are aslightly falling over fence,
like the, it's all tiedtogether.

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Where in your training, where inyour life is it possible that
you're overdue for a little bitof repair?

Angie (46:53):
And what would it feel like to finally rebuild that
with the right support?
And I think that there's acouple two ways that we can
really look at this, becausethere are some things that it's
going to be important for us torebuild and strengthen, and then
there's some.
Things that you might just needto let go of and you might just
need to take down like the oldfence.
We're not rebuilding the oldfence.

(47:15):
We are removing the fallingapart fence in our life, in our
backyard, and we're replacing itwith a new one.
And so maybe that's somethingthat you need to look at too,
like maybe there is arelationship in your life that.
Has fallen apart and you don'twant to put in the time the
energy to rebuild it and youjust have to let that

(47:35):
relationship go and then lookto, okay, that was a friend.
What other friendships can Ibuild up stronger?
what people in my life areimportant for me?
To invest in right now because,and I think this is a really
hard thing, especially inmidlife when we're looking at
friendships and things likethat, because adult friendships
can be challenging and it can behard to find good adult

(47:57):
friendships.
And I think that it's reallyhard when we have to let go of
certain people because they'vegrown in different directions.
like this is a conversation thatI've had with our teenager, but
it's also a conversation thatI've had like with.
My good friends, of likefriendships that have drifted
apart throughout the years.
but that's getting into a wholenew realm.

Kevin (48:18):
Yeah, no, we're trying to wrap things up and suddenly
you're discussing adultfriendships.

Angie (48:22):
I know.
And this is how it relates toreal life.

Kevin (48:24):
don't look at me for the discussion on adult friendships.
I am the very introvertedperson, not forming new adult
friendships, boundaries.
I'm good with the boundaries.

Angie (48:32):
I've got a wife

Kevin (48:34):
and good.
And

Angie (48:35):
kids done.
Yeah.
so anywho.
Think about it, think about itin your life.
maybe make a list of those areasthat might need a little bit of
attention.
Maybe make a list of potentialboundaries that you might want
to look at, to strengthen, toset for yourself, and then.
Also, what are ways that you canask for help or guidance or

(48:58):
support in your running or inyour life?
Maybe that's from your spouse,from your friends.
Maybe it's seeking out coachingand a community of runners that
understand you.
If that's the say, if that'syou, I would love to invite you
to, to join our real liferunners team.
if you're ready to stop patchingthose same issues over and over
again, and finally build astronger body, build up that

(49:21):
strength and that running.
That's what we're here for.
here inside the Real LifeRunners team, you get a hybrid
approach.
We really pride ourselves on theprogram that we've built here
and the amazing runners that weget to help around the world
because you get a personalizedplan that's right for you.
And then you also get thesupport of group coaching.
You get a community, you getcoaches that actually care about

(49:42):
you.
and you get all of that insidethe real life runners team.
So if that's you, if you'relooking.
To find a place that you can getthe help and the support that
you need, come check us out reallife runners.com/team.
We would love to be a part ofyour journey.

Kevin (49:56):
Yeah, if you're looking for help building a fence,
that's not us.
No.
This was a metaphor.

Angie (50:01):
We will not be taking fence requests after this.
I

Kevin (50:04):
just wanted to clarify.
Alright,

Angie (50:06):
so thanks guys for joining us.
As always, if you found thisepisode helpful, we would really
appreciate it if you left us areview, shared it on social
media or shared it with a friendthat could also benefit, so that
we can help more runners aroundthe world to build strong bodies
and to run their life.
So this has been The Real LifeRunners podcast, episode number
413.

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Now, get out there and run yourlife.