420: Healing Through Running: Releasing Emotional Pain and Grief One Step at a Time with Sheetal Story

In this heartfelt episode, I’m joined by the incredible Sheetal Story — a grief counselor, psychic medium, and expert in human design and astrology — for a powerful conversation on how grief, spirituality, and running intersect in the most meaningful ways.

We dive into how emotions live in the body, and how movement, especially running, can help us process and release what we’re carrying — physically, emotionally, and spiritually. Sheetal shares her own personal journey with loss, healing, and transformation, and offers practical tools and spiritual insights to help us navigate the many layers of grief.

Together, we explore the role of intention, energy, community, and professional support in healing. Whether you’re grieving a loved one, a version of yourself, or simply moving through a hard season, this conversation is an invitation to stay open, grounded, and connected — to your body, your spirit, and the road ahead.

Sheetal Story is a Psychic Medium, Spiritual Grief Support Counselor, and Professional Astrologer with a Master’s in Coaching and a Business Degree from the University of Alberta. She empowers women—from entrepreneurs and professionals to stay-at-home moms—to break through blocks, trust their intuition, and uplevel to the next stage of their lives. Specializing in navigating grief and life transitions, Sheetal combines spiritual insight with grounded expertise to help her clients transform challenges into opportunities for growth, alignment, and joy-filled success.

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The Story of Spirit Podcast

00:48 Sheetal's Journey and Spiritual Gifts

03:20 Understanding Psychic Mediumship

04:41 Navigating Grief and Spiritual Counseling

07:34 Connecting Spirituality and Religion

12:29 The Physical Manifestation of Emotions

18:10 Healing Through Movement and Intention

29:18 Choosing the Right Therapist

29:38 The Importance of Professional Therapy

31:10 Understanding Grief Beyond Death

33:01 Grief in Life Transitions

36:10 Embracing Body Changes

39:46 Connecting with Your Body

43:18 The Holistic Approach to Healing

51:18 The Power of Community Support

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Episode Transcript

Angie (00:00):
Welcome back to the Real Life Runners podcast.

(00:02):
Today's episode is a littledifferent, and honestly, it's
one that I'm so excited for allof you to hear.
Grief is something that touchesall of us, whether we realize it
or not.
And for many runners, runningbecomes a way to process grief,
run through emotions.
Or sometimes run away from them.
So today I invite a very specialguest, one of my very good
friends to help us explore thiseven deeper.

(00:23):
I'm so excited to introduce youto She Tells Story, she's a
grief counselor, psychic,medium, and expert in human
design and astrology.
And yes, you heard all of that,but she also blends it with the
science of psychology and putsit all together.
In a way that we can reallyconnect with and understand.
So if you're feeling a littleskeptical right now, I get it.
I come from a Catholicbackground myself, and I want to

(00:45):
invite you to just stay openbecause Elle brings a grounded,
beautiful, and deeplycompassionate perspective that
blends science, spirituality,and soul in a way that I believe
that everyone can connect with,no matter your background or
beliefs.
So in this conversation, weexplore how grief shows up in
the body.
How emotions affect our runningand our recovery, and how

(01:07):
movement, especially running,can become a tool for healing if
we learn to tune in and payattention.
So whether you've experienced amajor loss, whether you feel
like your body's changing in away that you don't recognize
anymore, like throughperimenopause and menopause, or
if you just sense that there'ssomething unspoken holding you
back, this episode is for you.

(01:27):
So let's dive in.

(01:52):
All right.
Welcome to the show today.
I am super excited to introduceyou all to someone extremely
special, and I'm so glad thatshe agreed to come on this
podcast.
Hello Sheetal.
I'm so glad you're here with us.
Hello,

Sheetal (02:03):
Angie.

Angie (02:04):
I am so excited to be here.
Thank you for asking

Sheetal (02:06):
me on.

Angie (02:07):
So today's episode is going to be different than
anything you've really heard ustalk about before, and I'm
really excited to dig into thistopic.
So she tell is she wears manyhats.
She is a grief counselor, she'sa psychic medium, she's a human
design and astrology expert.
And so I asked her to come onthe podcast for us to talk about

(02:28):
the concept and the the topic ofgrief because there's a lot of
runners that process griefthrough running, whether they
know it or not.
So Sheetal, can you talk alittle bit about your journey
and how grief work has becomesuch a central part of your
purpose?

Sheetal (02:45):
I have many tools in my toolkit, as it were.
I am a psychic medium griefsupport counselor, law of
attraction, master coach.
I've got a degree in business.
I got lots of tools in thetoolkit.
And my gifts started to come.
I was born with the ability tosee spirit and feel people's
energy.
I actually have the ability tosee aura.
I know that's gonna probablyblow some people's minds.

(03:07):
And you're like, okay.
And that was literally myexperience growing up.
I didn't know any differently.
I grew up in a very spiritualfamily, very accepted.
And I learned at a very youngage that not everybody can do
what I do.
And being a first generationCanadian, I'm East Indian, I'm
born to immigrant parents, Ijust wanted to fit in.
And so being not only lookingdifferent my mom used to sew my

(03:30):
clothes and cut my hair, so verydifferent than my peers.
Then I also had these abilities,and I actually, at the age of
nine, I turned them all off.
My mom's if you don't like themjust turn it off.
Just close the door.
I almost envision a trap at thetop of your head and just close
it, and I did.
And it went away.
I was a completely normal quoteunquote went to university, met
the man of my dreams.

(03:51):
We moved to Vancouver, had ourfirst child who had a lot of
medical issues.
And then we came back toEdmonton, Canada to be with all
our family.
So my husband's family, myfamily here.
And then we had our secondchild.
And at that point then all of mygifts just came back and I was
like, wow, what is happening?
I was going back into the fieldof purchasing, I was in sales
and marketing for the foodindustry and I was like, I

(04:13):
don't, I'm seeing deaf people.
This is what is happening to mylife.
I thought I went to see apsychologist, I went to see
people from my head, my vision.
'cause I was seeing Aura.
And the guy's no, you haveperfectly normalized.
And I was like, okay.
So I really was trying to sortout what is happening to me and
everybody I went to that sort ofwas interesting, was not in
this.
Not in the medical field waslike you have gifts that are

(04:36):
coming back and you need to goand start to look into them and
start to develop them.
And every time I looked for ateacher, the right one just
appeared and those doors juststarted to open for me.
And if you've ever been in lifewhere you know everything is
just flowing in a direction thatyou didn't anticipate, you're
like, what is happening?
I had the most amazing teachers.
My abilities were just growingleaps and bounds.

(04:58):
I was able to do things that Iwas, even my teachers were like,
wow, you're doing it so fast.
And I was like, what does thateven mean?
And they said, you have thisability, like just continue to
develop it.
Yeah.
So when I started to develop mypsychic mediumship, so for those
who don't quite understand, whatthat means is I have the ability
to connect to your energy andsee what you're thinking about,

(05:19):
what you've been feeling, what'shappened in your past, and help
you to navigate what's coming.
So your trajectory.
'cause you are in motion, right?
As as a runner, you decide youmake choices in your life that
propel you into your forwardmomentum.
I don't do that.
Like I, I just can tell youwhere you've been thinking about
things.
So I think a lot of times peoplego to psychics and think we, we
know the future and that'sactually not true.

(05:41):
You create your future, we canjust tell you what you've been
thinking about and almost giveyou permission to go down that
path.
So people who come to see me, inthat way were really lost in
life or are struggling in someway and would just.
Come to see me because all otherpaths had been exhausted.
And then the other part of mygifts being a medium means I'm
able to connect to spirit ofyour loved ones that are

(06:03):
tethered to you by love, andthey seek me out to then help
you in some form or fashion ofwhat you've been going through.
Or if they have something that'sleft unsaid, they will want to
get that message to you.
So I've been trained as anevidential medium, which means I
have to prove life after passingand give like actual evidence.
I can't just be like, oh, I'mfeeling our grandmother and she

(06:26):
loves you very much.
Like it's very generic crap,yeah, raise the standards out
there people that is not goodmediumship.
So in that then as I wastraining and developing my
evidential mediumship, I noticedthat a lot of people were coming
to me and were navigating griefobviously.
People who have passed away andthey didn't know how to navigate
it.
Some of them were stuck in partof their cycles.

(06:46):
And I started to get reallycurious about that.
Now I am, I'm a lover ofcertifications and schooling and
education.
And so I went down the path ofgetting all my certifications
and things, and one of them wasspiritual grief, actually it was
grief support counseling.
And I added the spiritual partof it because I then could add
that those parts of the spiritand what do you, what is your

(07:08):
soul desiring?
Because every grief is atransition point, and I
specialize in moving womenthrough grief as a trans
transformational experience intheir life.
Because in that moment you arelearning what is true for you.
You are testing everything youhave ever learned, whatever
religion told you, whatever theytold you in the Bible.
Now you're like, is this truefor me?

(07:29):
Is this real?
Yeah, because you're in thedepths of.
Of grief, it's soul was pain.
And no one talked about soulpain in any of the grief
counseling certifications that Ilooked at, but this one did.
And it was, she had actuallymoved through the teacher of
this course and the person whoput this together was a
psychologist who had lost herson at a very young age.
And there was nobody in themarket that was talking about

(07:50):
soul pain.
And I was like, yes, she'stalking about the soul.
Like I feel like I'm aspecialist in the soul.
So that pulled me in and I justloved it.
It was very spiritual as well.
She did a lot of indigenouspractices as part of the
counseling piece of it.
And I've just incorporated intomy coaching and all of the other
things that I have under my toolbelt.
So yeah, grief really camenaturally to me.

(08:11):
And I, as I look back in mypast, I've always leaned in when
people were sad or having a hardtime.
They'd actually called me thebad weather friend in high
school where I had an office inthe girls' bathroom.
And if they were going through ahard time, they would come and
seek me out and then we'd putour coats on the floor and we'd
sit down and I'm like, tell mewhat's happening for you.
Aw.
So it was almost like I was acounselor, right?

(08:32):
From a very age.
And I do realize that's my owntrauma because I create.
Bonding belonging value by beingthere for people in hard times.
Yeah.
So that was my own trauma frombeing an immigrant kid, trying
to make friends I'll help youwhen you're sad.
And then that just created a,almost a characteristic, I
think, of my personality that asI've leaned into this, I've also

(08:54):
healed the other side of it asno, I get to be worthy
regardless of how much I supportyou in your hard times.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's been, I think we all cometo that, like even in your own
past, when you think about thegifts and characteristics you
have now, it's born because youwent through something hard in
your childhood and your lifethat has given you these gifts
and talents now.
And when you look back, yourlife is gonna be peppered with

(09:16):
these experiences of grief.
They change you, they're meantto.
And I get to walk that path withyou.
I shine my light in the darknessfor you to find your way.

Angie (09:24):
I love that so much, and I want to take a little pause
for a second because I know thatthere are a lot of people that
listen to this podcast that area part of a Christian faith.
And I, the, one of the reasonsthat I love, and I you so much
and wanted to bring you on to,to share you and your amazing

(09:44):
gifts with my audience isbecause you have such a
well-rounded perspective, it'snot like you were mentioning at
the beginning, you're not quoteunquote just a psychic, right?
Or just a medium.
Like you have a degree, like youhave a background in psychology
and in business and in scienceand all of these more woo quote
unquote woo types of things,right?

(10:06):
Which, we can get into thatagain.
So if you are listening to thisand you're like, I'm not gonna
listen to this.
This girl's a psychic.
This is a bunch of bologna,right?
I just really want to invite youas a listener to just.
Stay open to this conversation.
I also come from a Christianbackground.
I'm of the Catholic faith.
And the more I dig into all ofthese things, I am seeing that

(10:29):
everything is connected.
And so if that's you, if you'resitting here, if you're
skeptical, I just, she tel isamazing.
Just stay open to thisconversation.
That's all I'm asking.
Especially if you've experiencedany sort of grief you can take.
And this is one of the thingsthat I love about you and in our
conversations in the past is,take pieces.
You don't have to take all ofit, right?

(10:50):
Take the parts that apply to youand the parts that you're
connecting with, if that issomething that can help you.

Sheetal (10:57):
I love that you mention that.
I love that so much.
I'm not here to prove anythingto anybody.
Yeah.
And you can believe what youbelieve.
I think that's why I'm aspiritual person.
Yeah.
I'm non-denominational.
And I am actually Hindu byfaith, so that I was brought up
in a Hindu family.
But I really, I identify asspiritual over religious.
So that.
That spiritual nature reallyruns through Catholicism.

(11:19):
Yes.
Through any kind of Eastern orwestern religion and Eastern
religion.
And it's really that prevailingview that there's a loving
presence that weaves througheverything.
You and me.
So I'm an expression of God asyou are an expression of God.
And that is truth.
Your loved ones in spirit loveyou still so much and are
invested in you.

(11:39):
They wanna see you win.
They wanna see you shine.
And so even if you watch forthose little signs and symbols
from Spirit, they will show youthat they love you and they've
never stopped.
So that bond of love iseverlasting, just like God's
love for you is everlasting.
So you're in a, you're anexpression of the divine having
experience of the divine itselfwithin you and others.

Angie (11:58):
Yeah.
And I think that there's that'swhat all religions believe.
And I also agree, like I wouldconsider myself a very spiritual
person.
I do practice one faith becausethat's how I was raised.
And there's a lot of things, butI don't agree with everything
that, that religion, that formalreligion teaches.
And I think that it is importantfor us to start to see these
connections because what oneperson might call meditation,

(12:21):
another person calls prayer.
It's the same thing.
It's trying to tap into a higherpower.
You pray to God or you pray tothe saints, or you pray to your
deceased loved ones to helpguide you.
And so I just again, want tojust make sure that people
hopefully keep an open mind,like you can switch us off if
you want to.
And that would be a loss on, Ithink, on your end because of

(12:43):
all the amazing things we'regonna talk about today.
But just stay open to it and seewhat comes.
That's what I think.

Sheetal (12:49):
And I think the openness piece allows you to be
discerning for yourself.
Yes.
As to what feels true in yoursoul.

Angie (12:54):
I love that.
'cause

Sheetal (12:55):
that soul piece, that intuition that lives within you
is so wise.
It knows exactly what feelsright and what feels not so
yeah.
So when we look at a piece of,so I would say religion or a
piece of doctrine, there's allthese.
Dogma, maybe, all of thesethings that they say you're
supposed to be and believe.
And I think there's truth andgoodness in it, but I also think

(13:15):
it's also been changed andinterpreted.
And so we get to then keep thatinterpretation for ourselves
when we have experiences likethis.
Yes.
And feel like what feels true tome and what doesn't.
I always say, even in myreadings and in my classes take
what feels right and leave therest.
Like I could be totally full ofpoop and that's fine.
I don't, I'm not here to proveanything to you.

(13:36):
I'm really just here to show youthat there's another thing that
exists in this world.
You live in the world of energy.
We all do.
Yeah.
This is an energetic world aboveeverything else.
And we can only perceive a verysmall part of the spectrum,
which is the light spectrum.
We can't hear, we can't feelgamma rays or x-rays, but that
exists in our world.
And so then couldn't it be truethat there is energy and other

(13:58):
things happening?
Heaven is literally here onearth.
Yeah, why not be open to thatand then judge it for yourself
and see how it feels for you,and then go to church and then
see how that feels for you.
Versus believing I have tobelieve this is true or else I
will be damned.
No, you don't.
That doesn't necessarily be truefor you.

Angie (14:16):
Yeah, no, I definitely agree.
So let's dig into the topic athand here, which is grief and
specifically how grief lives inthe body and how movement, like
through running, can be apathway to healing.
What helped you to see thisconnection between the grief,
the mental and emotional side ofgrief and the physical side of

(14:38):
grief?

Sheetal (14:39):
I think one of the things I really love, and before
I even started to get intogrief, I started to get into the
teachings of Gabor Mate andPeter Levine and all these
psychologists that were reallyleading the way in psychology
for understanding that emotionslive in the body.
That it's not just Dr.
Gabor is a doctor and PeterLevine is a psychologist.
And when they started to buildtheir work together and started

(15:00):
to learn about things, the body.
Holds this energy for us.
And it holds it in very specificways.
It's wild.
And there was a statistic I usedto work with an organization
here that helped children whohave been abused sexually
abused.
And that organization, the ladywho used to run it, she was had
a horrible experience withsomeone in her family.

(15:20):
She talks about it very openly,but she shared a statistic that
70% of children who'veexperienced childhood trauma
will have cancer.
There's a correlation tochildhood trauma and cancer.
And I was like, what is that?
That is then psychic.
That is emotions living in thebody.
And until you heal it out of thebody and remove it from the body

(15:41):
your body will continue to storeit for you.
Your body is brilliant.
It will heal itself if given allthe perfect conditions to do but
also the perfect conditionsinclude the energy of your
thoughts.
And if you continue to thinkthoughts, and I'm a piece of
crap and.
Life is not good.
And all these things that you'vemaybe heard in your life that
stores in the body so you cancontinue to move forward.

(16:02):
Your body's only job is to keepyou moving forward in life.
It is your vessel in thislifetime.
And then your brain's only jobis to keep the vessel safe.
So it will always live in theknown and try to make sure that
you are doing things that keepthe body safe.
So I'm sure you've experiencedin running, I've heard, I don't
do this myself, but I've heardpeople that as you're doing
marathons, your body, your brainis going get out.

(16:23):
And your body's we got this sowe can do this.
You have to override the brainbecause this is where you wanna
go.
So the brain's only job is tokeep your body safe.
Your body's only job is to keepyou alive and it will keep you
alive under all circum oddcircumstances.
I had a client.
Who her father was going throughend of life.
He had cancer.
The doctors just said, it's timethey removed care.

(16:44):
All of his machines were turnedoff.
And he lived for four dayswithout water, without sus,
without medicine.
And she messaged me up on daythree and she's what is this?
She tell can you tap in and findout what is happening?
Why won't he transition?
I said I feel like you've givenhim permission.
He's waiting for your mom tocome in and say, I give you

(17:05):
permission to leave and I'm, Iforgive you.
And she's my parents have beendivorced for 20 years.
Like literally he's waiting formy mom.
I'm like, that's what his soulis saying to me I'm waiting for
her.
So she's oh gosh.
So she convinced her mom to cometo the hospital.
Her mom's I forgive you foreverything.
It all worked out perfectly.
It's your time to go.
And she left the room and hedeparted the physical plane.

(17:27):
He passed away.
So like that kind of stuff, youcan't make that up.
Like his body was waiting untilthat final lesson was complete.
So the body's only job is tokeep you alive and to try to
keep you moving forward throughyour life lessons.
And then the soul is the energythat animates the entire thing.
And science can prove thatexists.
It's called your bio plasmasfield or your electromagnetic

(17:48):
field.
And anything that's alive onthis planet will have an
electromagnetic field.
So that energy animates you.
That's your vitality.
When you take your last breath,that energy now moves into the
next plane of existence.
So it just moves into energy.
That's it.
It's not stock.
It doesn't have to be ushered,it just moves into it.
It's it's intelligent.
So when we think about that,that your body's only job is to

(18:10):
keep you safe, it will holdthese emotions and hold it in a
very specific way that it willdeposit in different parts of
your body based on the emotion.
For example, with the heart,anything to do with love or
personal personal love love ofothers, feeling like you're a
good person, that you'relovable.
That all deposits around thechest area and into the heart of

(18:30):
hands and into the arms.
So when we have issues aroundlove or I have a lot of social
social workers that come to seeme and they're always on a year
off work because their handshave gone numb.
And it's because the system herein Canada anyways is very
broken.
And so they're trying above allodds with these beautiful heart
of theirs to try to help peopleand keep them out of systems

(18:53):
that are not good for them, keepthem off the street and they
just can't.
They end up burning out andcoming to see me and all of them
have numb hands and arms thatfeel numb.
It's like it's all connectedthrough the heart, right?
And so that as they healthemselves and they go back to
work a year later and then itcomes back again and they end up
moving outta the field, it'samazing how many people have
that experience.

(19:13):
So one of the great books toread, if you're wanting to learn
more about where the body holdsenergy, it's called The Body
Keeps the Score.
From Be Bessel, Vander Cook, Ithink wrote that one.
The other one is, one that Iactually keep on my desk because
I do reference it a lot, andit's called Feelings Buried
Alive, never Die from Carol kTruman.
So this is actually a littlehandy dandy guide that will tell

(19:35):
you the emotions and wherethey're held in the body, so
it's not.
It's not a pseudoscience, it'snot, it's actually becoming more
and more aware.
Yeah.
And yet they never treat it inmed school, like they and the
med school actually deals withthe body.
And yet how many times when yougo to your doctor, do they ask
you about your lifestyle?
What's happened for you?
What has emotionally changed inyour life?
If you have a good doctor,they'll ask you those questions.

(19:56):
Yeah.
So grief being held in the bodyand how can we move that out?
Of course, therapy, somatictherapy is really good, but also
running moves energy.
And especially if you're cryingwhile you're running or you're
emoting as you're running, itgives you that sort of movement
of the energy out of the body.
And even when you're listeningto music, if you're listening to
music too, that the kind ofmusic you listen to can also

(20:17):
help you emote and move energythrough the body too.
So it's a really beautifulpractice.
Running itself is verymeditative, as is being in the
shower.
So you can always get reallyyour best ideas sometimes when
you're running or you're in theshower because your brain almost
disengages.
'cause it goes, oh, we're fine.
We're just running.
It's just this natural rhythm ofyour feet hitting the pavement
and you're just, you'rebreathing and everything just

(20:38):
settles down.
So meditation and running arequite synonymous.
I think.
I notice that from a lot of myclients that run.
And a lot of my friends that arerunners, they say they just, it
feels so calming.
It's the only time that theirbrain isn't screaming at them.
So unless you're running amarathon, then it's probably
screaming at you,

Angie (20:55):
it's telling you to stop.
Yeah.
Everything that you're saying isso true and I've can definitely
validate that with so manyexperiences as a physical
therapist and one specificallycomes to mind.
There was this one woman thatcame in one day and she told me
she was having lower back painand she told me it was a 12

(21:16):
outta 10.
The level of pain.
It was so bad.
12 outta 10.
She was an agony.
Just awful.
She was a bus driver and so shecouldn't work.
She was out of work and she wasjust in so much pain.
And she had been passed from onedoctor to the next.
And she, by the time she got tomy office, I put her on the
table to do my assessment and Ijust started talking to her and

(21:37):
we just started chatting and Iwas doing my little assessment,
so I had my hands on her back,but I wasn't doing anything
crazy.
I wasn't, you people tell me Ihad magic hands, but in this
case, this was the wildest exexperience.
So I was just talking to thiswoman and somehow we got into
this conversation.
I don't remember how, butessentially she told me that one

(21:59):
of her best friends betrayedher.
And she told me about this wholeexperience and I just listened
and I just had my hands on heras I was assessing what was
actually happening to herphysically.
Does she have tight muscles ordoes she have this or that?
And essentially when she sat up,when I had her sit up, she told
me the pain was gone.

(22:19):
Gone.
And I thought to myself, okay, Iknow I'm good, but I'm not that
good, right?
There was definitely somethingelse going on here, and that was
such a, in your face example ofthese emotions, these very
strong emotions of betrayal thatthis woman was dealing with and

(22:42):
how that affected herphysically.

Sheetal (22:44):
So true.
And you're gonna, it's gonnablow your mind and maybe the
listener's mind.
So in my little handy dandyguide to feelings, buried alive,
never die.
Yeah.
Lower back pain is in arelationship that hurts running
away from a situation, feelingunsupported.
Like you cannot make that up.
And exactly what happened withthe bus driver.
Feeling unsupported and,betrayed in a relationship that

(23:05):
was very dear to her.
So it's wild how the body canhold these things.
I have a certification called asubconscious imprinting
technique amongst the many thatI have, and one of the things we
deal with is emotions in thebody.
I.
I had a client that had come tome during the time that I was
doing my practicum, and she's Ireally need your help.
I'm like, I'm not certified yet,I can't help you.

(23:25):
And she's we're just gonna do itas part of your practicum.
I really need your help.
I haven't been able to lift myarms past, like shoulder height
for the last two years.
I've gone to physio, I've hadx-rays done, I've had massages.
Nothing is helping.
And it's so painful.
She tell my husband has to shavemy armpits.
And I was like, oh my gosh.
She's I can't do it.
And so I was like, okay, let'sdo an intake.

(23:46):
And it turned out she gave mepermission to share this
anonymously.
So she has a sister, she's oneof three sisters.
She's the youngest and hermiddle sister has a drug
addiction.
And the addiction was so badthat her two children were taken
away and my client adopted thetwo children.
Wow.
And and then they, when on theday that the adoption went

(24:07):
through, they also found outthat they were pregnant with
twins.
Oh my goodness.
So they had four children underthe age of Wow.
Right away.
But they are such beautifulparents.
Like they just it, it totally istheir soul's purpose to be these
kids, stewards in this lifetime.
And then about two years agowhat happened is she was in a
yoga class right before the yogaclass.
She got a call that her sisterwas back in rehab because I

(24:29):
said, what happened two yearsago?
Tell me, she's I was in a yogaclass and I think maybe I did
something there, but I've neverhad a problem with yoga.
And I said, tell me whathappened before the yoga class.
That's when she said that's whenshe said, I, my God, that's a
call from my sister.
I said, tell me about thatstory.
And then she went into it.
And then as we started to dothis, the technique to release

(24:49):
that from her body, it wasunbelievable.
And then that night she's shetell, look at me.
Look at me.
She sent me a video with her,like lifting her arms above her
head.
And she's I did 50 pushups.
She tell, oh my god.
I can shape her armpits.
And I was like, that's wow.
And all we did was just talk itthrough.
We used a specific technique toget the emotions to move through
her body.
And even as we were, she's it'ssomewhat meditative state with

(25:11):
her eyes closed and she'srepeating statements after me.
You can feel, she's oh my gosh.
You tell, I feel like someone'sstabbing me in the back.
No one's stabbing her.
She's laying on a bed.
Yeah.
It's totally fine.
Yeah.
And they said, okay, repeatafter me.
All the feelings that I havethat I'm stabbing my sister in
the back by releasing this, Idestroyed and uncreated now.
And she just repeated thosestatements after me, and then
the pain went away, and theneverything moved out of the

(25:33):
body.
So it's so wild, we have such apowerful mechanism in the body
and in the brain.
And if we can use those to movethe energy outta the body, we
can actually heal ourselves andlet that go.
So running is one of those waysthat we do that, right?
Yeah.
It's moving that energy, butdoing it with intention,
allowing yourself to cry on arun and just thinking about
things that are hurting yourheart and are that you're moving

(25:54):
through on a run with intentionof what is this about?
What is this trying to teach me?
Thank you.
I release this now and if youwanna cry on your run, cry and
see how that feels in the body.

Angie (26:05):
Yeah.
So is there.
Are there certain prompts orsomething that we can do to
frame the run in order to use itas that therapeutic tool?
Because I think there's a lot ofrunners that use running as a
way to disconnect and they justthey go out, they're like, I
just wanna get away from all ofit.
Like literally running away fromtheir problems.
We're running away from thestress.

(26:26):
We're running away from theseuncomfortable emotions that we
want to, or that we don't wantto feel.
And I think maybe sometimes thatcan be useful, maybe.
But really, if we're going to dothis thing of running anyway,
why not use it for our highestgood, not only physically, but
also mentally and emotionally,psychologically, spiritually.

(26:49):
And I think that there's a lotof people that have experienced
that.
But they don't know how tointentionally experience that.
And so do you have any tips forus of a way to get us into a
state of mind that is moreconducive to using that for
release?
I.

Sheetal (27:06):
I think you said it, intention is so powerful.
So in, in spiritual work and inpsychic work, we talk about
intention being we telling theuniverse what we want the energy
to go to, and we're also tellingour brain what to focus on.
So intention is one of the mostpowerful tools you can use in
your spiritual toolkit.
And so even having thatintention before you go on a run

(27:27):
of, I want to move this energyout of my body and then just go
have a run and see what happens.
If you feel, and again, if youfeel'cause emotions moving is.
Emotions.
So that's tears.
That can be laughter, that canbe anger, that can be anything
that comes up during that time.
So it's the same thing inmeditation.
If we make set the intention tomove energy through the body,

(27:48):
what they can, what then canhappen is that people start to
cry or get, all of a sudden astory will come to mind and
you're like, why am I thinkingof that childhood story?
It's because it's connected tothe emotion.
So it's almost like you'repulling a thread and everything
attached to that thread startsto come up.
You're almost pulling a weed,and every root that's coming up
is part of that weed is part ofthat pattern that's been in your

(28:10):
life.
Setting an intention before yougo on your run is a great idea.
If you're moving throughsomething with grief is it's
wanna set the intention that I'mmoving the energy out of my body
as I go on this run.
And then just notice whathappens.
Like you are building your ownbook of evidence of how this
works for you.
So try that intention out.
The other part of grief though,is there is a part of grief

(28:31):
right at the beginning whensomething happens, we almost,
it's called denial or shock, atthe beginning.
And that, that gives the bodyand the brain time to just have
a moment, to have a pause.
So anytime you've ever beengiven any bad news, right?
I know every time I've beengiven bad news, I'm like, shut
up.
That is not true.
I was like, why would someonelie about that?
Looking back on it in hindsight,but it's like the first thing

(28:52):
that comes outta my mouth.
And that's an example really ofdenial, right?
Of just I just need some space.
So running is a form of denial,as you said is like a, as a I.
Kinda disassociating from all ofthese things.
And just giving yourself amoment to breathe.
We can't negate that, thatbenefit in life.
That is really quite important.
Especially I know a lot ofprofessional women run and they

(29:13):
find that time is so helpful forthe brain that they can just
have no thought.
Whereas I would meditate in aday and give myself that space,
especially women who are highachievers and professionals and
CEOs.
Having that and doing that ishard, to do a meditative
practice.
So their running is theirmeditative practice.
I don't wanna take that awayfrom anybody.

(29:34):
In terms of that in itself isquite healing to just give
yourself that downtime that Idon't have to do that healing.
Because I think especially inthe spiritual world, we can be
so obsessed with healing.
I'm healing this, I'm working onthis and I'm working on that.
Yeah.
I'm like, where are you have joyin your life, girl.
Like you need to have some fun.
It's not always work, yes.
We're always healing and alwaysworking forward, but there's

(29:54):
enough going on in life, why notjust enjoy the things that you
enjoy?
And give that to yourself as acelebration of life.
This is wonderful.
I would say you can try usinghealing as a meditative healing
in itself.
Or, sorry, I'm gonna say.
Running itself is a meditativetool.
Yes.
And that's wonderful enough, dowe wanna move grief
intentionally through that?

(30:14):
Yeah.
What I think would be better istherapy.
Go seek out a therapist, acoach.
Yeah.
Someone that feels really goodfor you on your nervous system.
That and I'm gonna say not,don't just choose the first one,
so many times we get referred bythe system or a benefits company
or someone we say knows thisperson, whatever, go do it.
And I'm gonna say, that's aterrible way to choose a
therapist because you're just,again, giving away your own

(30:37):
power because somebody said thisis the person for you.
And I've had so many experienceswith clients that are like, oh,
I've had terrible therapists.
You tell I've never had anyonelike you before.
And I was like, yeah, becauseyou really didn't vet your
therapist very well.
Yeah.
So my youngest has a therapistwho's gone through a lot of
things in his own life and wechose a therapist.
We got a number of referralsfrom clients and friends.

(30:59):
I sent out an email saying, or athing on social media, actually
we're looking for a therapist inthis genre.
I got 10 people that camethrough with like reliable.
People.
I contacted all of them and fivepeople got down to my short
list.
And then we met we looked at allthe pictures and saw who we
wanted to meet.
We met three of the therapists.
And then each of the three, wedid an interview.

(31:20):
They also showed us theirtechnique.
And by the end of it, we ahundred percent knew who our
person was.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Is it a bit of work?
A hundred percent.
And that therapist is like histherapist now for life.
Because she is so fantastic andphenomenal and so emotionally
connected.
Many therapists are trained tobe disconnected.
So you know what?
Seek out a professional help youif you're going through grief

(31:40):
and if you're moving throughthings and trauma in your life.
And if you're noticing it'scoming up in your running.
I'm gonna actually say to you,when you heal this in therapy,
your running will get betterbecause your body is going to
let you just relax and enjoy it.
There's again, when you movethings out of the body, it works
better.
It heals better.
It moves better.
Yeah.
So do that.

(32:01):
Seek out therapy as a form ofhealing to better your run as
well.

Angie (32:05):
Yeah, I agree so much here, and I think that is so
important for people to hearbecause there are so many
runners that say, running is mytherapy, right?
Quote unquote, running is mytherapy.
And it's yeah, running can betherapeutic, but it does not
replace therapy.
It does not replace someone thatcan actually help you and lead
you through this, especially ifyou're in a place that's deeper

(32:28):
or more involved than you canhandle on your own with like our
everyday stuff.
And I love that you talk aboutwhen we.
Can process these emotions andlet them out of the body, that
will improve our runs.
'cause that really ties verymuch into nervous system
regulation that we talk about alot in the podcast, right?
So people say, oh, this is allthe woo and spiritual, no, it's

(32:50):
not it's your nervous system,right?
All of these things areconnected.
People just call them differentthings and it's all the same
thing.
They're all related, they're allinterconnected.
And another thing that I wantedto bring up before I forget was
just this idea of grief.
I think that people oftenassociate grief with death and

(33:12):
grieving a loved one or someonethat died.
But as you and I both know, andI would love for you to talk on
this, grief can be.
The loss of anything in yourlife, right?
It can be the loss of a job, itcan be the loss of a friendship,
it can be the loss of a futurethat you were hoping to have
that maybe some, for some reasonchanged the family that you had

(33:35):
envisioned yourself to have, andnow you're not able to have as
many children as you had hopedfor.
I think that grief can appear inso many different ways, and we
don't always label it that way.
So I would love for you to speakon that a little bit.

Sheetal (33:49):
I love that you're bringing that up.
It is so true.
I think when we think of grief,it's seems to be isolated to
death.
And then we seem to have levelsof grief and judgment and grief.
And all of those things are zerotruth like it is.
I don't know where we learnthat, because that's all crap.
It really is.
Yeah.
That's judgment in itself, butgrief is a feeling of something
being taken away or nothappening that you wish or had

(34:12):
envisioned it would go that way.
So another way to say is griefis love with no place to go.
And when you have this futurethat you envisioned, and that
now changes all of a suddenwithout your willingness to
change it, that then can bringup grief.

Angie (34:27):
Yeah.

Sheetal (34:27):
And we can have a grief with a perception that it can be
far, deeply felt than thepassing of a loved one.
I see this all the time withpets passing.
It's, it is so deep.
And yet, we don't really givebereavement here for pets
passing away because they're notrelated to you, even though
they're related deeper than ababy would be because you're

(34:47):
seeing them all the time andthey're such a loving force in
your life.
But it can also be a loss of ajob, a relationship ending a
diagnosis, losing your hairperimenopause that there's grief
associated with all thesemassive transitions in life.
And that's why I say I'm like atransition coach and.
Support because you're movingthrough something, right?
There's gonna be loss, andinherently in growth there is

(35:09):
always loss.
We are always letting go ofsomething so something new can
come in.
Our identity is always, in, inspirituality we call it, or
shamanic death, every death ofthe ego with every STA stage of
your life as you're stepping inat a part of your self is
passing away.
Your identity has to shift.
We've talked about it before inthe groups that we've been in,
Angie, that.
The identity of who you want tobe down the road requires you to

(35:32):
release a part of your identitythat you're holding now.
Yes.
That inherently is keeping youfrom the success that you want
because this part of what youhave now is not gonna get you to
where you are.
We hear that saying all thetime, and it actually is,
there's a grief in letting thatpart of you go, that believed
you had to do it in this way.
Yeah, it can be a job loss, itcan be a change of a house, it
can be a house burning down.
There's so much that happens inall of those transition moments.

(35:55):
If you feel like something inyour life has been lost to you
or you are, something is fallingaway.
And again not always of yourdesign, sometimes you choose.
Even when you're moving away toanother city many of us have
gone through that experience of,leaving home behind to start
something new.
And there's an excitement in thenew, but there's also that
sadness of, now I don't get tosee my friends and family, or I

(36:15):
miss my mom's cooking, or I haveto do laundry every day.
That's still a grief.
It's okay to have thosefeelings.
And then we can also have thishierarchy of grief.
I'm like, oh, it's not as bad asthat person.
I had a client who, whose niecepassed away at a very young age
from cancer, four years old, andher connection to her niece was
so deep it was soul love.
Like I a hundred percent knewthey were mother daughter in

(36:36):
another lifetime.
And.
But it was her sister's childand she felt I can't grieve as
deeply as my sister becauselike, why am I crying all the
time when my sister, her sister,is very spiritual and so move
through it with a lot of grace.
Still sad, grace, and she wasreally struggling.
That's one of the things wetalked about in our session.
It's no, you get to be sad, andif you're sadder than your
sister, then that's fine.

(36:58):
Who's to say that you're sadderthan your sister?
Do you have a scale?
Did you guys both weigh it on ascale like you don't know?
So we can often feel like that.
I've been to many funerals.
I actually personally lovefunerals.
And it's one thing I really loveabout organized religion is that
there's a way to say goodbye toour loved ones.
Of course I'm, they're not evergone.
They're always tethered to us bylove.
But that way of saying goodbyeis a way of coming together with

(37:19):
others.
We grieve together, we talkabout them, we tell stories
about them, and they alwaysattend their funerals.
Our loved ones always are there.
That's why it's a medium.
I love funerals'cause it's it'salmost like a wedding, but the,
for the departed, becausethey're hearing all these
stories about themselves and allthe people that they touched,
and they always seem to be sosurprised at how many people
attend their funeral.
So it's a really beautifulexperience from a mediumship

(37:42):
standpoint, because I get tofeel that love coming in and
then everyone coming together tosupport.
In terms of I've totally lost myway from your original question.
That's okay.

Angie (37:52):
Because I, I wanted to point out something that you did
say there.
The original question was like,how we can ex experience grief
in all these different areas.
Yeah.
And I really wanted to point outwhat you said there because it,
I think that this is somethingthat many people in our audience
will connect to, which is thisidea of aging and you brought up
specifically perimenopause andhow our bodies are changing.

(38:13):
Yeah.
So this identity of runner orfast runner or a marathon or
whatever, these differentidentities in ways that we
thought of ourselves in thepast, all of a sudden our body's
changing.
And there's a lot of people thatI speak to, especially women.
That say, my body's notcooperating anymore.
It's just not doing what it usedto do.

(38:34):
It's not doing what I want.
And I think that was such animportant part of how you
defined grief, is that this wassomething that you felt, that
was being taken from you, thatyou had no control over.
And I think that's, like so manywomen in this phase of life,
that's what they're feeling.
It's like their youth, theirstrength, their vitality, this
identity that they had is, feelslike it's being ripped away.

(38:56):
And it's really just aninvitation to look at things
differently and say, okay, whois this new version of myself?
What does she need?
What is this new body of mindneed?
Because we are going through avery significant transition.
Yes.
In this stage of our life.
We have a different body aftermenopause than we had before.

(39:18):
Like the hormones are different,everything operates differently.
And so I think it's reallyimportant for us to acknowledge
that and s.
Be okay releasing it too.
And I and doing so with love,right?
And saying, the body that I hadhas served me so well.
Now what's the new body that Iwant to step into?

(39:40):
And what does that body need?
And what is this new version ofmyself?
Who's she gonna be?

Sheetal (39:46):
Yes, the final stage, in the old, five stages of grief
model from the Kubler Rossmethod is acceptance.
And that acceptance and then thenew kind of seven stages model
is like and light emerging.
And so I always say the fastestpath to peace is acceptance.
So if you can accept that thisis my body now, that these are
the things, I'm going through itmyself.

(40:07):
I'm 47 and I'm in the Perry.
The hot in the is coming atnight, and like you could crack
an egg on my back, I swear.
And it is.
It is so interesting because inthat moment too, inviting and
compassion and love andunderstanding from my body and
okay, what does she need?
What does this new body need nowto help?
Because it is a shift andthere's also an imbalance
happening in there in the body.

(40:28):
So the way that you used tonurture it, the way that I have
to oil my hair now before I washit.
Otherwise it's so brittle.
It's and I remember seeing mygrandmother doing that in
Malaysia.
She'd have coconut oil here.
I'm like, what is this?
I don't ever want this formyself, but here I am doing it.
It's is there an acceptance hereabout this new body that you
have and all these things, andwhat does she need now from you?

(40:49):
Because you are a steward ofthis body too, right?
She's taking care of you andyou're taking care of her.
So how can we learn how to beco-creating this reality
together?
So it's true.
Every stage that you go throughwith, especially with your body,
you are learning.
What does this part of you need?
It's if you've had children, notto say that children is, any
does not define you as a woman,but if you've had children, you

(41:12):
know that before children havechildren, your body is so
different.
It's almost like I had thisalien, I said I feel like I'm in
an alien body.
I don't even know whose boobsthese are.
Like what is this about?
What is this body?
So yeah, you are always in everystage of life going through
different transitions and yourbody is so brilliant.
It is trying to keep you safe.
It's doing its best.
So where can you then help tonurture it too?

Angie (41:34):
Yeah, absolutely.
So connecting with ourselves,tapping into that, are there,
since you have so many tools inyour toolkit, are there a couple
that you would like to offer toour listeners of like ways to
make this connection a littlebit easier?
Like ways that we can reallygive ourselves to.

(41:56):
Like tune in, connect to thebody, understand where we might
be even grieving, maybe we don'teven realize that we're
grieving.
And a lot of that is happeningon a more subconscious level.
How can we figure that out andfind it?

Sheetal (42:10):
I think we are so brilliant with just carrying on.
Keep calm and carrying on.
Yes.
As they say.
And it just push forward, pushthrough.
I come from a province here inCanada that they're mostly
farmers.
So there's a very prevalent viewof pull up your bootstraps and
just get on with it.
Exactly.
I hear that from a lot, so manyof the clients.
And it's one of the mostdamaging things you can say to
yourself because you're notreally allowing what needs to be

(42:30):
nurtured and healed to come tothe surface.
So one of the things I love isjournaling.
And when you ask your brain aquestion, it has to answer your
prefrontal cortex must answerthat question.
So being in curiosity versusjudgment is gonna really open up
your brain to answering your ownquestions.
Curiosity, always diffusesjudgment.
I wonder why I'm feeling thisway.
I wonder what this pain isabout.

(42:51):
So if I'm, you could answer thisquestion is what am I grieving
in this moment?
And if grief isn't a word thatyou resonate with, it's what am
I sad or dis.
Disappointed about, becausethose are also forms of grief.
Okay?
What am I sad or disappointed orangry about?
And then when I feel this, whenI think about this thought and
you close your eyes and tuneinto your body, where do I feel
it in my body?
Because it's all, it's wild.

(43:13):
Especially my high achieverwomen as I'm like, okay, I want
you to close your eyes.
I want you to think thatthought, and I want you to feel
it in your body.
Where do you feel it?
And they're like, oh, I feel itin my stomach, or I feel it in
my leg, or I feel it in my back.
And I was like, that'sinteresting because where you
hold it in your body, you willhave an energy leak there, or
you will have a weakness in thatarea, and that won't necessarily

(43:33):
translate to something now, butyou better believe down the road
if you're running and your footcatches in a hole and your ankle
breaks, why then?
Why then and not any other time.
It's because there was aweakness and the ankle is about
flexibility moving forward inlife and where are you?
Where are you then afraid tostep forward in life?
What is something that's callingyou forward and you're resisting
that?

(43:53):
Interesting.
So there's some really greatquestions that can come forward
from that.
So those journaling on thosethings of like, where do I feel
in my body?
And then that part of your body,like your back is your support.
So ask yourself, where do I notfeel supported in my life?
Where have I been wanting tocall in more support?
What prevents me from calling insupport?
Where did I learn that Ishouldn't be supported Mother?

(44:13):
We've always seen our mothersdoing all the things, not asking
for any help, doing the 10course meal and all the things
without anybody helping her.
And then washing the dishesafter you're like, what where'd
she learn that?
That's not, you don't have tooperate that way.
That's another great question.
Where did I learn that?
And is that true for me?
So there's some, a lot ofquestions.
It really depends on what you'refeeling and where you're feeling

(44:33):
it.
But I think it's, the firstthing is what am I feeling?
Where am I feeling in my body?
What's the story that I've beentelling myself about this?
And then where did I learn thisand how do I wanna move forward?
Now, those are some greatquestions that start to journal
on that because you get tocreate your life the way you
want it to be.
You're not here to be thepatterns of the past.
You're actually here to changethose patterns and create new

(44:55):
ones for your futuregenerations.
And even if you don't have anychildren, the people around you
are listening.
You are important.
Your energy is vibrating outinto the world.
Yeah, do the work, internal

Angie (45:05):
work.
Do the work.
Yeah.
And I love that.
And I want to also point out,because there's a lot of runners
that have recurrent injuries,like it's always the same knee
or the same hip or whatever itis that is affected.
And we as physical therapistssay there's a weakness there in
the body.
And so this kind of takes outthat step further because there

(45:26):
is a physical weakness, right?
There is actual physicalweakness that is there.
That's, and this is why peopleoften say oh, like that's so
woo.
Or this, psych like thepsychology can't cause this.
And it's no, it's all connected,right?
Like there it's both, right?
It is both physical andpsychological.
It's not that it's just in yourmind.

(45:47):
'cause that's what people hearoftentimes when you tell them
that there's a psychological ormental or emotional aspect to
their pain.
They're like, no, it's not allin my head.
It's real.
And I say, I always reaffirmthem because you're right, it
is.
There is a physical aspect here.
No one's saying that you're justmaking it up and that it's fake,
but that does not mean thatthere's not also a

(46:09):
psychological, emotional, mentalcomponent that goes with this.
Yeah.
It's just that those things aremanifesting in the body in a
very physical way.
And yes, we can fix weakness, Ican give you strength exercises,
but how many runners have donethe physical therapy and they've
healed, quote unquote, healedtheir injury?

(46:30):
And then that injury comes rightback.
And yes, there are trainingerrors in nutrition and those
are all the things that I talkabout.
But what if there's also thisother underlying current there
that maybe we don't even realizeis there that when we tap into,
could give us an even deeperlevel of healing so that we can

(46:51):
get rid of the pain and actuallyhave it gone for good.

Sheetal (46:54):
A hundred percent.
Like I, I just, as you weretalking, spirit dropped in this
analogy of you're an ecosystem.
You are an ecosystem.
There is lots going on in yourbody.
You are a body, mind, andspirit.
And it's not just the physicalof the body.
There's the energy that thevitality of the body is in there
too.
And the vitality is affected byyour thoughts and your brain and

(47:14):
the thoughts that you thinkabout.
So we already have thatcomponent to coming to, there's
again, so many books and so muchresearch being done now that
show the trauma and the body areconnected.
So then there is thispsychological component, the
energy component, the emotionalcomponent underneath the wound
too.
So yes, we have the physical, wealso have the emotional And
where are you healing?

(47:35):
Both because it's true, the backthe back and the bus driver.
So many stories I could tell youabout that as well.
I'm sure.
And I am sure you probably havea whole bunch of those as well
in your pocket.
So the talking piece thehealing, the therapy, all of
those things will make you abetter runner a hundred percent
of the time.
You're an ecosystem.
You don't just, it's not just inone isolation.

(47:55):
Like your thoughts affect thebody as well as the nutrition
going into your body affectsyour body too.
And the movement affects yourbody.
Like it's all connectedtogether.
Like you said, you're holistic.
Yeah.
You can't think of just one partof it as the physical, actual
physiology of what's happening.
There's the energy that's alsocreating a weakness there too.

Angie (48:13):
Absolutely.
So something that just came tomind as you were talking was,
I've had experiences beforewhere either I'm working on
someone or I give them tools towork on.
So foam rolling, lacrosse ball,different things to help release
some of that tissue tightness inthe body and it will.
Ignite an emotion in them whenthey're trying to release this

(48:37):
physical tight spot.
What would, do you think thatthey really need to understand
what is triggering that?
Or is it enough for some peopleto not only get the physical
release, but also if they wereto just allow themselves to cry
or to process whatever thatemotion that came up?
If they just allowed themselvesto feel it, feel through it and

(49:00):
process it, do we really evenhave to know the underlying
cause of it?

Sheetal (49:06):
I feel like moving the energy is is part of, is one
part of it, but I think it couldbe the, in some cases I'm gonna
say that's enough to move itout, to cry it out, to yell it
out.
If you're moving throughsomething and you just wanna go,
ah, like just do it.
Get that out of the body.
But there is a seed that wasplanted, okay.
And that seed continues to bearfruit every time you're going

(49:28):
through something in life.
So if that seed is not healed,then it will continue to come
back up again.
So one of the ways that you canheal that is as you're moving
the stuck thing, you're, let'ssay the foam roller and you're
trying to open up a hip orwhatever, and there's, then
there's an emotion that clientwants to cry, right?
Then I would say step into thebody and feel what that feels
like and what is this remindingyou of?

(49:50):
Okay.
And there might sometimes be astory that will come up from
childhood or somewhere in thepast, it could be even yesterday
that this thing happened, right?
And what is that reminding meof?
And as soon as you get to theroot of it, you're gonna know
just when, just like when Iwould say, just like when.
And they're like, when Susietook my markers away in, in

(50:11):
junior high, and I was like, ohmy gosh.
Tell me about the story.
What does that have to do withanything?
Yeah.
Tell me about the Susie storyand then as you're like, oh my
God, that's exactly like whatI'm going through right now with
my daughter.
And you can, so you never know.
It's these wild subconsciousstories that we've been holding
onto, but the body will tellyou.
The body will tell you that it'sstill there.
Yeah.
So can you dip into thosemoments and say, okay, I'm

(50:33):
feeling this in my body.
What's the emotion that I'mfeeling?
And just allow that to come upfrom your body.
And then, okay.
Just like when this emotion'sreminding me of what, and if
there's nothing there.
Fine.
Cry it out, yell it out, let itout of the body.
But if something comes to mindand this weird story comes to
your head, it's because it'sconnected to the emotion.
So we often can dismiss that ornot be present to it in our

(50:55):
bodies.
We just wanna move through thepain and get to the next thing
and instead I'm just gonna say,stay with it just a little bit
longer and say, where does thispain trying to tell me?
Because it's telling yousomething.
The pain is giving youinformation.
It's not just your body is weakin that area, your toric
ligament, it's, there'ssomething else there.

Angie (51:11):
Yeah.
So

Sheetal (51:11):
it's telling you a story.
Are you listening to the story?

Angie (51:15):
Oh gosh, I love that so much.
And I think like it just.
There's so many runners that areso Type A and they so overthink
it.
And so I really love what yousaid there of don't, you don't
necessarily have to try tofigure it out or dismiss it
because I think that is probablythe main way that people handle
it.
When something like that comesup, like, why is that popping

(51:36):
up?
That makes no sense.
And we just dismiss it and shooit away because it doesn't make
sense logically, right?
Like in our conscious, ourprefrontal cortex, it doesn't
make sense of why this memory ispopping up.
And so we're like that wasweird.
We just dismiss it.
And so if we can get better atjust allowing it to be there,

(51:57):
and like you said, just asking aquestion, digging into that
curiosity of that's interesting.
What's this trying to tell me?
And instead of just getting ridof it and dismissing it, even
just moving to the next thingof, oh, that's interesting.
I wonder why that's there.
Instead of, oh, that doesn'tmake any sense.
And just shooing it away.

Sheetal (52:17):
It all makes sense.
It's all connected.

Angie (52:19):
Yeah.

Sheetal (52:20):
That's one of the things when you hang out with
me, I'm always like, Ooh, thathas, that's interesting that's
happening for you.
That is everything within ismirroring out into the world for
us.
Yeah.
So it's an opportunity for us tolook deeper and we're all in
this amazing soul journey.
We're growing and evolving aspirit.
We are having experiences andlearning to love ourselves and
find out what are we here to doand learn about ourselves and

(52:42):
others.
And so in this beautifuljourney, your body is a vessel
that's got so much informationand it's holding so many stories
for you.
Until you heal it, it will holdit for you.

Angie (52:53):
I think that's a perfect place for us to wrap up and I
just have absolutely love thisconversation with you today.
This has been so fantastic.
Is there anything that you stillfeel is on your heart that is
incomplete here that you wouldlike to share with the
listeners?

Sheetal (53:08):
I feel like one thing that's coming up for sure that I
wanna leave the listeners withis that running inherently and
grief are both isolatingexperiences.
You don't often run in teams andtalk and, sometimes you can jog
maybe, running is inherently asort of an individual sport.
And you're quite.
Quiet or trying to keep your ownrhythm and stuff.
So it's, talking not normally.

(53:29):
And and running and it's not atime to isolate.
It's not a time to just try tofigure this out on your own.
You can try and I know manypeople who are listening are
probably, if they're attractedto you, they're a type
personalities.
They're achievers, they pushhard, they drive to their goals.
They're amazing humans, and youare not meant to do this life

(53:50):
alone.
You're not meant to grievealone.
You're not meant to try tofigure all of this out alone.
Yeah.
Angie got some great offeringsand a retreat that is amazing as
the women came together to talkabout their feelings and be
heard and seen.
And when you're in communitieslike the ones that Angie
creates, it is.
Such a beautiful place for youto really just let things come

(54:11):
forward and let the groupsupport you in them.
You might be of, I feel likesomeone listening is very much
like a self-reliant,unsupported.
I gotta do everything myself.
And I'm gonna say to lean intoAngie's offerings, lean into
Angie's brilliance because shejust holds such beautiful space
for people.
And I can say that because I'mone of a friends and I know her

(54:32):
brilliance.
I know what a great human sheis.
And so do that.
Do that for yourself.
Take a chance, invest inyourself, be in her communities,
speak out what's happening onyour heart.
She's got so many tools to, tosupport you and do that for
yourself because your futureself, everyone in your life will
thank you because it will makeyou a overall better human.

(54:54):
That will have such an much moreeaseful life and successful life
moving forward.

Angie (54:59):
Thank you so much.
That's so sweet of you to saythat.
And it's really.
Amazing.
What does come out when womenallow themselves to be in
community and be supported.
And that is one of the thingsthat happened on the retreat.
And it was fun because I know,and like we know that there's so
much underneath, right?
And like some of the women cameto the retreat like, I'm just

(55:21):
going to come and learn aboutrunning and become a better
runner.
And like some of the things thatwere coming up for them
Surprise.
Pardon?
Surprise.
Surprise.
Exactly.
But it was some of the thingsthat came up they didn't
understand.
They're like, why am I talkingabout this right now?
This makes no sense.
How is this connected?
And it's nope.
It's all connected and we'rehere for it.

(55:43):
And it's going to help youprocessing this through.
This is going to help you inyour running.
It's going to help you and yourrelationship's going to help you
in your career.
Whatever it is that you want toimprove and get better with,
it's going to help you.
And running is just going tohelp to bring some of that to
the surface and then we canfigure out what to do with it.

Sheetal (56:05):
No, those are the nuggets of wisdom and gold.
I love when that happens.
I know.
Or people start crying.
I say, if you're gonna meet me,just be prepared to cry, because
I tend to bring things up inpeople that need to be healed,
right?
That's the nuggets of gold that,because that's going to move the
needle more than the techniques,more than the tools and the
strategies.
Like it's the deeper workalways.

Angie (56:24):
Yeah.
And I know you've definitelydone that for me, and I just
wanna say thank you andacknowledge you here, because
I'm not always an easy egg tocrack.
I definitely love holding spaceand helping others, but don't
always allow that for myself.
And that's something that you'vedefinitely been able to help me
with.
And so I just wanna say thankyou and I appreciate you so
much.
Oh my gosh, I just love you somuch.

(56:45):
I love you too.
Thank you for allowing

Sheetal (56:45):
me in that space.
All

Angie (56:46):
right.
So Elle, where can our listenerslearn more about you, learn more
about your work, connect withyou more?
How can we find you?

Sheetal (56:55):
So if you haven't been able to tell, I'm an extrovert
by nature.
Yeah.
I love to talk to people andfind out about your story.
So I'm very active on socialmedia.
I'm on Instagram at She TellsStory and just exactly my name.
And I'm on Facebook too, but Ihave a business page on
Facebook.
So it's a little bit more,structured.
Whereas on Instagram I reallyshare, especially on my stories,

(57:15):
anything that's on my heart.
I am, I'm very funny.
I like to think that I'm funny.
So I share a lot of psychichumor stuff and terrorist humor
stuff.
Yeah.
I poke fun a lot, astrology andstuff as well.
I don't take myself tooseriously there.
And I have a website as well.
She tells story.com.
My calendar does feel verybooked at the moment, but if
there's something that you'reinquiring about, especially

(57:36):
grief support, message me, sendme an email at, she tells story.
She [e-mail] andsend me your inquiry and I'll
send you information.
I'm never attached to theoutcome.
So if it feels aligned for you,you're gonna know it.
You're gonna be like, this is aheck yes on my heart, and you'll
know that.
I book all of my grief countclients and coaching clients
through a discovery call aswell, to just make sure that my

(57:58):
skillsets aligned with theirswith your need.
Yeah.
So that way we are both a fitfor each other too.
And I've turned many people awayand sent them to psychologists.
If you have something deeper to,I really just wanna see you win.
So if that's something that'sinteresting, check me out on
socials.
I'll be there.
You can get into my dms, I'll bemessaging you.
I do my own social media andyeah, I'd love to connect.

(58:19):
I just am such a connector ofpeople and learning about your
story and where you found me.
And I just am such a fan ofAngie as well.
She's one of my friends, one ofmy biz besties I'll say.
And yeah, I, if you found methrough her, you're probably a
really amazing person.
So thank you.

Angie (58:36):
And don't forget about your amazing podcast also oh
gosh yes.
She also has a podcast.
So when you're done listening tothis episode, you can go check
her out.
She's got some really amazingepisodes.
Her podcast is called The Storyof Spirit.
So we will link all of thatinformation in the show notes
because a lot of you might berunning or driving right now.
So always go back to the shownotes for all the links and all

(58:58):
the things that we talked abouttoday.
Chital, thank you so much forbeing here.
I appreciate you so much.

Sheetal (59:03):
Oh, it was my pleasure, Angie.
I just love you so much andthank you for having me in your
beautiful space with youramazing clients and listeners.
I don't take that for granted.
I actually am so honored to beinvited here.

Angie (59:16):
Thanks so much.