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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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And now your host, ryan Sherow.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Okay, Chris, welcome.
Appreciate you coming.
You know, what really caught myeye when you submitted to be a
guest is the diagnosis ofmultiple sclerosis yeah yeah, my
friend's wife has multiplesclerosis and sorry, yeah it's.
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It's been a struggle, but, uh,I didn't know a lot about it, to
be honest honest with you untilyou submitted, and I also was
intrigued because yoursubmission was about awareness.
Yeah, I think it's alsoincredible that you have an app
that you want to try to get intopeople's hands.
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Let's talk about that.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, yeah, I'm a
co-owner, starter of Findacurems
.
We are a positive advocate forsupport for multiple sclerosis.
We have had a blog set up.
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Once a month We'll have newstuff.
It's just information forpeople with this disease to
understand and be able to belike all right, this is okay and
it's just a good roundabout way.
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I mean, like this setup here,talking to you, that's what we
do.
We have group on Saturdays, wehave meetings set up where we
just get together and talk andjust a way to be social without
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being social.
It's for us with MS and anybodywho wants to learn and
understand to just calm andchill.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I was surprised when
I was researching it that a
first of all number one thegovernment doesn't track MS
cases as they do other cases.
Currently there's 2.8 milliondiagnosed cases of MS in the
world.
There's 1 million in the UnitedStates.
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However, those are diagnosed,those are reported by doctors
and physicians and people in themedical field and the
government doesn't really keepdata on it.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
No, I've had the
conversation with my friends,
males in particular.
I have, uh, once a monthsupport meeting for men with ms
uh, because we're not hurdle.
I mean we're hurdle but it'sit's less hurdle because men you
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know we have.
We wake up in the morning ourlegs are stiff or our arms or
our backs sore.
We're like, oh, we did extrayesterday.
That's why I'm in pain today,while in all reality that pain
today is it could be set upstarting symptoms of multiple
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sclerosis and we, just as male Idon't go to the hospital and
everything it causes.
So it's just, yeah, having thatmany people out there diagnosed
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with it, that they tracked thefact that there can be multiples
out there without it, but it'sjust yeah, I was going through
some of the symptoms that peoplewould get with MS.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
How old were you?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
when you started to
notice something was going wrong
.
I was 15 years old.
I woke up.
Yeah, it was the second weekendof deer season.
I'm from Duluth, minnesota.
It was the second weekend ofdeer season, so November, like
November, and I woke up to myright shoulder rocking back and
forth, having vomiting, havingmild seizures.
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My eyes were rolled in the backof my head.
Do you remember when theUndertaker would go into the
ring and he would be like andhis eyes would be rolled up in
his head?
So, as you see, was the whiteof his eyes.
That's what mine would be like,you know, get me dizzy and I
would throw up and it would justsymptoms like that go numb on
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the left side since I was 15.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
some of the symptoms
I read about uh, they call it,
uh, dysarthria, dysarthria,dysarthria and this affects your
vocal cords.
It makes it difficult to speak,difficult to get words out,
which, as a 15-year-old, is atough time anyways, I can't
imagine what that was like.
It sounds like you had.
Spasticity is another symptom.
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This is where your muscles areweak.
Stiffness I can see how men,especially older blue-collar
working men, would just think ohhey, my arms are hurting more,
I did a little too muchyesterday.
Or my legs are hurting.
This turns into pain,involuntary muscle spasms, which
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is, I can imagine at 15, howscary that could be.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
It was.
I didn't know, I didn't knowleft from right at a young age
and having them symptoms it justkind of put my mind at a
different frame.
So I was talking to my son thismorning and he asked me about
school and I said I didn't dotoo hot in school because my
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life at 15 was revolved aroundthis disease.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
The further, and they
don't know why.
They think it might be avitamin D deficiency, but the
further away from the equator,the more cases of multiple
sclerosis and uh, that was likereally mind-blowing to me.
They attribute it to possibledeprivation of vitamin d at a
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young age.
However, vitamin d reallydoesn't work as a therapeutic
once you have it.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
They say lack of
sunlight.
In the northern hemisphere youdon't see as much sun, so that's
where there's more diagnosis ofmultiple sclerosis.
I don't think lack of sunlightis a cause of multiple sclerosis
.
I mean the vitamin D don't getme wrong is great to be outside
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in the atmosphere in life andfeel the sun beating on your
skin is a great feeling, makesyou feel breathing deep and
you're like yep, life is good.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
It's just a.
To me it was just a reallyweird coincidence that, uh, that
the further way you got, withthe possibility it was sunlight.
But then again, the vitamin ddoesn't do much for you once you
have disease.
For those that don't know, themultiple sclerosis is a
neurogenitive autoimmune disease.
Your cells of your nervoussystem are covered with
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basically a lipid, a fattysubstance called myelin, and
what happens if you get thisdisease is your body starts
attacking it they think it's badautoimmune and starts to
denigrate the myelin coating onyour nerves, which results in
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all of these terrible symptoms,pain being one.
The other one I was interestedin, especially for men, is they
call it the MS hug.
Yeah, that's a lovely thing.
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I could imagine.
Explain what that actually isand what that feels like.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Have you ever had
somebody sit on your chest?
Sure, you get a bear hug andyou squeeze it really hard.
That's what the MS hug is.
It's tightness that wrapsaround the chest or parts of the
body and it just squeezes andit's not like a a nice squeeze.
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It squeezes and it hurts and asit hurts you, you're like like
a anaconda.
You breathe, oh, it getstighter with the MS hug Optimist
.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
diagnosed as possible
heart attack symptom.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it
just happens and it lasts for 30
seconds, up to a minute, if notlonger.
People go sometimes hours withthe MS hug.
People go sometimes hours withthe MS hug.
It's just, it's just, it's oneof them things that it happens
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and it's like, oh, all right,give me a minute.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
And you just gotta
focus on it and focus on your
breathing.
Yeah, it's affecting the nervesthat control the muscles to
your ribs.
What was your thought processthe first time you felt these
extreme symptoms?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
That's yeah, yeah
numb tingly and I just had this
squeezing in my chest and I'mlike, oh my god, why what's
going on?
Like I couldn't believe it.
And um, it just is one of them.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
It you know, one of
the things that I was reading is
the and could be the reason whyit's a difficult diagnosis is
there isn't one test out therethat a doctor can give you that
says oh hey, your blood saysthat you have multiple sclerosis
.
They talk about having certainlevels of what they call OCBs.
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Seems like these are proteinsin the blood, plasma and the
cerebrospinal fluid, and theseOCBs are heavily prevalent in
multiple sclerosis patients.
However, normal people couldhave them too at elevated levels
.
You know we talked about the MShug.
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That could be something to dowith your circulatory and or
heart issue.
So another possible missingdiagnosis and it really takes an
astute doctor to really look atall symptoms diagnosed.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
when you were
starting to have symptoms, I was
15 when I woke up with thesituations that happened with
the MS the numbness in the leftside, the dizziness, the
seizures and everything likethat.
I was 17 and a half, almost 18,I think.
I got double vision at work.
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So they gave me an MRI and theyfound 13 lesions on my brain.
A lesion is pretty much themyelin around the brain that you
had.
It exactly the myelin issurrounding your brain nerves.
Now you take an extension cord.
The rubber is the myelin.
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The MS destroys that by thatrubber.
So you have just exposed wires.
Now them wires don't send thesignal directly to where it's
got a goal, because there's nosheath, no covering around those
signals, those wires, and itcauses like you want to flex
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your arm, you want to bend yourarm, and it has to be like, yeah
, you bend it, but then it won'tre-bend.
You got to like stretch it downbecause it it got tight.
Um, I, I with me.
I deal with a lot of blockingissues with ms.
Um, after 25 years.
It put me in a wheelchair.
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Uh, the mylon, uh the myelin.
It attacked my brain.
Ms attacked my brain, slowlywent down to my spine and caused
issues with my walking.
Uh, the myelin is just, uh,covering all the nerves, because
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point a to b your head, my headto my foot doesn't work anymore
because there's a short.
The mylon was destroyed in a tob a lot of research for ms I.
I haven't slept a lot the pastfew weeks because I heard of
pipe 307.
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They've had research aboutmultiple sclerosis many times
but they actually have pipe 307,which is regenerative process
where they can regenerate thedamaged myelin in the brain, in
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the nervous system withmedication.
Now this is just in trials, butit's showing promising results.
How far along.
How far along in the trial.
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Is it Trial?
It's in the second phase, it'sin human trials.
They have, I want to say, $46million or $1 thousand dollars
put towards funding for umplaces around the us for people
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to be guinea pigs to test to seeif this actually works to
regenerate myelin so that's goodthat they're into human human
trials.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Do you know what
level they are for FDA approval
if they're getting close?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Last I heard they're
in stage two.
Stage two yeah, I think it'sfour stages before the FDA
approves it.
I'm not 100% sure.
I haven't researched it.
I just pay attention to hearingthe good news and I'm like,
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alright.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
So, without the
regenerative medicine, what kind
of therapies are out theretoday to try to help people
suffering with MS to actuallyfunction and live a somewhat
productive life?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Physical therapy is
one of them.
Occupational therapy to helpthe coordination.
Isn't there half the time,isn't there half the time?
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Going to the gym, working out,is like to me, a number one
thing that has to happen in life.
With MS, um, it doesn't matterif you lift 3,000 pounds or
three pounds.
The fact that you did it andyou lifted the weights and you
made the attempt and you triedto make yourself better, because
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that's all we can do with MS,with the research and the help
that's out there is self, beingan advocate for yourself,
speaking your words and doingwhat needed to be done.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Because and that
brings me to your app.
Right, you have.
You have some sort of an appthat.
Have you created this app, oris this something that's still
in progress?
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Um, I created, we
created it.
It's, um, sorry, we are a yearin to finding a cure or find a
cure.
Having the I don't even knowhow to speak Having find a cure
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aspect of I don't even dump onit, I'm drawing a blank for a
minute.
It's to help promote andinspire and bring people
together.
For the most part, it's just away, because back in 2000, when
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COVID started, we started a chatgroup on Facebook Messenger.
We've gone through people.
It's a tight-knit group butit's a family nonetheless.
Any way for us, like I saidbefore, to be social without
being social.
Um, this find a cure, westarted it through with.
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There was like seven to 10 ofus never met before in the
United States, but we created,we came together and created a
family and created the find acure process to help promote and
just just be there for strengthand a shoulder to lean on.
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Find, yeah, findacurems.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I encourage everyone
that is struggling with this and
if you're not, you want tolearn more definitely go there
to findacurems and help Chrisout.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah, we have emails.
I'm as I say to people I I'm.
I've fought this monster for 28years.
Um, I've spent 25, 26 yearsdoing me, living my life, having
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fun.
Now I'm.
Now I'm spending the rest of mytime to help other people
because my life's good, mylife's going to be great.
It's just in the time.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Right now I'm here to
help others, and that's what
gives you the strength to havesuch a positive outlook on life.
And how can other people findthat strength?
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Right, there I have.
I got to get my camera right.
My son's name on that arm andthat arm.
On that arm and that arm, theygive me the strength to move on.
This disease has taken a lotfrom me, but looking at the
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faces and the as because I'm ataller person, I may be in a
wheelchair, but the kids stillhave to look up to me.
So when that aspect when theylook up to you, it's like all
right, you're looking up to meMakes you feel higher power,
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higher presence, higher personand the responsibility,
responsibility, yeah, having thestrength that others are
looking up to you for yourencouragement and your power.
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And that's just what I'm allabout is, and that's what
finding care is all about tryingto bring awareness, I mean
awareness is there.
People know what MS is Well,not everybody.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
But majority know
what MS is or have heard of it.
This is just a way to bring itfurther.
No-transcript of some of thesymptoms.
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It is relatively a rare disease, luckily, but you know, a
million people is not rare, butit is something that and perhaps
that's why the governmentdoesn't track it, because it's
not affecting a large portion ofthe population.
But those that are affected.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Yeah, I've said that.
They say MS is not terminaldisease.
Describe terminal to me please.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, perhaps
terminal in the sense you stop
breathing, but terminal in thesense that it does restrict and
in some cases people that can'tget over it their enjoyment of
life that can't get over it.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Uh yeah, their
enjoyment of life.
Yeah, it's.
It's not terminal to where it'slike it's gonna end you, but
complications from it will, cancause, may cause, problems.
Um, if it was classified asjust instead of just another
disease and make it terminal,more attention, I think, would
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be brought to it.
I think, I don't know, I'm justone person.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I would think that
that would be the case.
Chris, what's a typical day foryou?
You get up in the morning.
Walk me through a typical dayin the life of Chris.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Okay, a typical day
in my life.
I get up in the morning, Ibrush my teeth, I put on a shirt
if I need to dress up,otherwise I save whatever and I
just sit without a shirt becauseI just chill.
I chill most of the time.
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You can see my backdrop.
I got a dragon tapestry becausethat's what my life is about is
sitting my bed, relaxing forthe most part.
Um, I'm being on in a wheelchair.
It's hard to get the wheelchairthrough my door, so that is.
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That's the manual chair Irecently received through.
I can't remember their name,I'm sorry, I was gonna call
shoot it, give him a shout out.
Um, corner, a corner homemedical.
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They got me a power chair andchair to be in a power chair and
to just be present in life.
I mean, you live your day, youthink throughout the day, you've
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got things going on Well withthe MS.
It's allowed me to stop andsmell the flowers and actually
pay attention to life and slowdown the process that you deal
with with life.
So it's a daily situation.
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I just I'm happy, I chill, I.
I am a cannabis user, so I, asyou can tell, I'm a little
scatterbrained sometimes, but Idon't know.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Does the cannabis use
help to mitigate the symptoms?
Chris?
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Oh my God, the side
effects that come from the
symptoms.
They're neurological pain,they're neurological symptoms,
so there's no real fix for it.
Uh, the, the cannabis helps youtolerate the problems going on
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and allows you to manage.
Be like oh, this hurts, but I'mokay.
I'm high, oh, but, but I'm high.
So you're just.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
You weigh the good
and the bad is there any medical
research with cannabis directlyrelated to MS symptom
mitigation?
Speaker 3 (28:16):
yeah, there's been
lots of talk on YouTube,
research.
Cannabis just helps with.
It allows you to stop and enjoythe simpler things in life,
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just to be able to like I like Isaid, like they say, stop and
smell the flowers.
It's not just stopping andsmelling the flowers, it's
seeing the flower, it's seeingthe roots, it's seeing the
ground, it's seeing the leaves,the angle, the way they grow,
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how they grow.
It brings up so much more inlife than just life.
So I just I feel it helps withthe MS, with the pain and the
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body aches that you get.
The weed helps the mind.
Just okay, I can handle this.
It sucks but I can handle.
This Relieves some of theanxiety.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
What's that?
It relieves the anxiety andsome of the pain.
It sounds like.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yeah, yeah, there's
so much that it does it helps.
Like I said, I've fought thisthis for 28 years well, there is
hope on the horizon.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Hopefully this
regenerative medication, yeah
shows positive results and getsthrough the FDA.
That would be a miracle drugfor people that suffer with MS.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
As I look at it, with
my situation, I don't walk
because my right foot doesn'tmove.
When I say to move, so my headto my foot A to B, there's a
short With them being able toregenerate that myelin.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Now it might not be
as strong or as significant as
the original myelin, but it'sgoing to be there, so it it's
gonna connect a to B againwhat's interesting about the
current drugs that are offeredto multiple sclerosis patients,
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since it is described as anautoimmune disorder, is they
have to suppress the immunesystem to try to limit your own
body from destroying itself.
Yeah, the unfortunate thingwith the side effects.
Uh, talk about some of the sideeffects of the medications that
are on the market.
Now that you know, try to giveyou a better life.
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However, you have to be carefulwith some of these side effects
, correct?
Speaker 3 (31:29):
the, the newer ones I
don't know of because MS
medication is different foreverybody.
I've been on the three typesAvonex, tecfidera and Mavencled.
The Avonex aspect it gives youyou get the flu pretty much.
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You get the chills, the muscleaches, the pains.
You get everything minus thediarrhea and the vomiting.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Well, that sounds
like fun.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Oh yeah, it's great
for about $60 after you take
your shot.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
How often do you have
to take that shot?
Once a week.
You're burning two-thirds of aday to get six days of relief.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
That's others.
They have infusions.
There's other MS meds I'm notoff the top of my head the names
of them but there's infusionswhere people they'll go every
three months to get a shot orget an infusion.
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Three months to get a shot orget an infusion.
They can feel two and a halfmonths in their body wearing
down.
Um, the side effects that I'vedealt with with.
Like the tech for the era thatI was on the avonex gave me the
flu-like symptoms for 16 hoursafter I took it Tech Federa gave
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me I was a 36-year-old manhaving hot flashes, like my face
would turn red, my arms wouldred and I'm just like like I
needed coldness.
No shirt that day, yeah, andI'm just like like I needed
coldness and it just no shirtthat day.
Yeah, it just it happened.
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You took a pill twice a day, sothere was twice a day I was
going through hot flashes.
I found that peanut butter andcold air helps a lot with the
hot flashes.
But that's just me.
That's what I've come tounderstand and realize.
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like I said, everybody's alreadyall day um do you take the
Tecford era, 12 hours in betweeneach other, so 7 in the morning
, 7 at night?
Um, I'll take a spoon of peanutbutter, a scoop of peanut
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butter, and eat it and just usethat hope.
That's for the the, the hotflashes that happen.
The fatty substance in peanutbutter helps with the hot
flashes.
That's what I've heard.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Is there any data on
the peanut butter or what's in
peanut butter?
Speaker 3 (34:48):
that would actually
help with hot flashes, the
fattiness in peanut butter thatwould actually help with hot
flashes.
And if that medication, thefattiness in peanut butter, the
that's what I've heard.
Um, I I like I said I'm not 100sure.
I haven't done research on this.
I've just listened to and donemy own self-diligence on what
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works and what doesn't work, andI've heard that the fatty
substance in peanut butter helpscoat the hot flash situation.
That goes on.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
How about natural?
Is there any talk out thereabout diet or natural
supplements, anything thatactually works besides these
hardcore medications thatactually work for you, Chris?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Just eating healthy.
There's no.
I mean, I know people that areon no medication, no MS meds,
and they're doing decent.
I know people who are on MSmeds and there's no real rhyme
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or reason behind which one willwork for you.
So it's just you have to testand tribulation Try it.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
It affects people
very individually specifically.
They say it's snowflake disease.
Snowflake disease.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I haven't heard that
I don't like the term snowflake
because I ain't no goddamnsnowflake Part of my language,
but I like to look at MS asbarbed wire.
It comes in, it affects in alldifferent shapes and forms and
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hurts.
Nonetheless.
It causes neurological issuesand pain.
That happen.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
One of the most
difficult things how bad did the
opioid crisis get infected intothe pain management of MS and
have they corrected that?
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Yeah, as far as I
know they have, they've cut down
on prescribing opioids andpeople using them.
That's where I found cannabisto compensate for the opioid
crisis, because take this pill,it will help you.
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This is a manufacturedmedication that I created in my
basement.
Or smoke this plant that grewout of the earth.
Which one do you choose?
And with the opioid crisis, Ifeel it's dropped, but not to
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the fullest that it should arethey commonly prescribed for
people with ms?
yeah, for pain management it is.
It's people they go to painmanagement and they say they're
not allowed to use painmanagement because they smoke
cannabis.
Pain management is it works forsome.
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I mean, there's medication outthere.
I think of the solid ones in myhead are like Tylenol and
ibuprofen.
If you have a back pain, take aTylenol.
No more real back pain.
It deludes your issue.
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I just I myself don't like todelude my situation.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
You're already taking
other medications.
You're putting your liver at uhoverdrive.
Try to limit as much as you canto manage the pain and the
symptoms.
What would your advice be tosomebody newly diagnosed with ms
and who's scared and thinktheir life is over?
Speaker 3 (39:33):
That's most that I
can stress at the top of the
building.
You're not alone.
There's people out there,you're okay.
You got your situations thathappen, but you're okay, you're
gonna be okay because there'speople out there for you, with
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you, to help and just support,because you're not alone that
this disease takes so much likeI said, it took my ability to
walk after 25 years.
It put me in a wheelchair, putme to my like.
I was a social butterfly.
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I drove, I was everywhere,anywhere.
Um, being put in a wheelchaireliminated a lot of my social
gathering, because I'm not ableto get out the boat with people
anymore.
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But just if you're newlydiagnosed or have symptoms or
fear of, don't be afraid, I'm onFacebook, I'm here.
I tell people I'm a messageaway, maybe three.
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If I'm sleeping and I hear thephone go bing bing, I'm like,
all right, I'm sleeping.
And I hear the phone go bingbing, I'm like, all right, I'm
sleeping.
If I hear it go bing bing again, I'm like, all right, maybe If
it goes bing bing a third time,then I get up.
Then I'm like, all right,what's up?
And, like I said, 28 years offighting this monster.
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I'm here to help people yearsof fighting this monster.
I'm here to help people, so weknow that we can find you at
findacurems.
Where could they find you?
Speaker 2 (41:43):
on facebook um under
chris, jordan um duluth
minnesota, uh, chris gerard,g-e-r-a-r-d.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
It's I'm fairly
simple to find.
My Facebook photos are three meand my sons are three shadows.
We were standing in a field andI seen our shadows and I was
like all right.
(42:09):
So I took a picture of allthree of our photos and we were
in Arizona.
There was a photo I took herein Duluth, minnesota, all of our
three shadows and that was onmy Facebook page profile picture
was three shadows was ThreeShadows because I'm all about,
(42:31):
like I said, my sons.
They brought me life.
They brought me clarity andstrength in fighting with this
disease with just staying strong.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
You know, Chris, the
biggest hero in the story is the
one that kills the biggestdragon.
I find it neat that you havethat dragon on your wall and you
are a big hero putting yourselfout here and offering support
to those that are fighting thedragon of MS.
I highly encourage people thatwant a hero in their life,
(43:11):
somebody to talk to, especiallyif you're newly diagnosed, to go
find Chris.
He's in Facebook, at ChrisGerard on Facebook.
Look for the shadows of him andhis son.
Of course, always go tofindacurems.
His website is fantastic andyou can follow him there.
(43:33):
Reach out to him.
He says he'll message you.
It might take him two or threetimes to get past the pain to
get to his phone, but he will doit.
Talking to people, Chris,especially when you guys have
something in common and arestruggling, helps to get through
that adventure and beat thatdragon and create more heroes in
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the story.
And I hope that thesepharmaceutical companies are
doing good work in finding acure.
Most of them don't want to finda cure.
They want to find therapeuticsbecause that's where the money
is, but perhaps in thisparticular situation, if they
can cure the root cause of thisterrible disease.
(44:18):
They will impact millions ofpeople and perhaps give people
like yourselves a better life.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Yeah, like I've said,
I stated I'm very advocate wise
about pipe 307.
It's newly diagonal, it's newinformation.
I seen it on YouTube, friendBieber, I think, who is his name
(44:50):
, if I said it correctly.
I apologize, but he's an MSspecialist and he's got
information out there that'spromising because, like I said,
on my my half, my head, my footdoesn't work, my A to B there's
a short.
They're able to fix that shortwith the new Pipe 307.
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So then I'll be able to walkagain.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Well, listen, chris.
I wish the best for you.
I'll look into this Pipe 307.
I think that's encouraging.
I like to see new medicalresearch and educate myself.
This was an educational processfor me.
Again, of course, I heard ofmultiple sclerosis, but I had
really no idea of how itfunctioned in the body and how
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it destroys your own body,destroying its own nervous
system, the pain involved.
Thank you for sharing.
I really appreciate it.
And once again, reach out toChris Gerrard on Facebook and
findacurems and find someencouragement.
(46:04):
Reach out to a real hero of MS.
Thank you, chris.
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