May 4, 2025 • 30 mins
In this episode of The Real Retirement Show, hosts Yasmin and Kathleen delve into the evolving concept of retirement with guest Marilyn Hintsa. Marilyn shares her personal and professional journey, highlighting her pivot from a corporate career to becoming a retirement coach. She discusses the pressures and expectations surrounding retirement, emphasizing the importance of personal choice and rejecting societal 'shoulds.' Marilyn also introduces her initiative, Next Chapter Dialogues, which offers group sessions encouraging retirees to explore life after work. Through meaningful conversations and community support, Marilyn helps clients find joy and purpose in their post-career lives. The episode underscores the value of direct conversation, shared experiences, and stepping out of one’s comfort zone.
00:00 Introduction: Rethinking Retirement
00:51 Welcome to The Real Retirement Show
01:35 Meet Marilyn Hintsa: A New Path in Retirement
02:43 Marilyn's Journey into Coaching
05:17 Challenges and Insights in Retirement Coaching
06:24 The Importance of Group Dynamics
07:15 Mindset Shifts and Overcoming Fear
14:05 Purpose in Retirement
21:48 Creating Safe Spaces for Vulnerability
28:34 Final Thoughts and Farewell
About Marilyn Hintsa
Marilyn has been on her own retirement journey since late 2019 when she was unexpected “early retired” from a corporate career. Not ready to go out to pasture, she became certified as a leadership coach, decided to use her new skills to help her contemporaries lead themselves into their post-career lives, and set up her practice, ULeadU Post Career Pathing, in 2021. Since then, her practice has evolved and recently launched Next Chapter Dialogues, a weekly, Zoom-based, guided discussion group that people join on a monthly subscription basis. Next Chapter Dialogues is a powerful opportunity for people anywhere on a retirement journey to travel together in community and, with Marilyn’s guidance, explore topics related to life after work, aging and longevity.
Website: https://www.uleadu.ca/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hintsa/
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Marilyn Hintsa (00:00):
Since I've been on this journey myself, my ideas
about retirement have changed alot.
And I, at this stage, am, youknow, really letting go of all
of the shoulds about retirement.
And there are a lot of them, youknow, there's a lot of pressure
to have an ambitious retirement.
There's a lot of pressure to, dogreat things in this next
(00:21):
chapter.
There's a lot of pressure toremain as young as you possibly
can for as long as you possiblycan.
And that may be right for somepeople that may be what brings
them satisfaction and a sense ofpurpose.
But if you are not that person,if you want a much quieter life
because you had a stressful job,your whole, career, then that's
(00:42):
okay.
And in fact, whatever you chooseis okay.
don't fall victim to theshoulds.
Yasmin Nguyen (00:51):
Welcome back to The Real Retirement Show.
My name is Yasmin.
Here with my co-host Kathleen.
Whether you're retired orthinking about retirement, we
delve into the multifacetedworld of retirement beyond the
finances.
This isn't your typicalretirement discussion.
It's a vibrant journey into whatretirement truly means in
today's world.
(01:11):
We bring you real stories fromreal retirees and experts
discussing real challenges,surprises, joys, heartaches, and
the myriad of emotions that comewith retirement.
From addressing family dynamicsto mental and physical health,
to finding purpose, we tacklethe issues that truly matter to
retirees and those thinkingabout retirement.
(01:35):
Today.
We are thrilled to welcomesomeone who has turned an
unexpected twist into aninspiring new path.
Meet Marilyn Hintsa, a dynamicvoice in the world of modern
retirement.
When Marilyn was early retiredfrom her corporate career in
late 2019, she didn't slow down.
She shifted gears instead ofheading for the hammock, she got
(01:58):
certified as a leadership coachand launch you lead You
post-career pathing to helpothers lead themselves into
vibrant purpose-filledpost-career lives.
Now she's taking things evenfurther with Next Chapter
Dialogues.
A fresh, powerful initiativethat brings people together
(02:18):
weekly on Zoom to explore lifeafter work, aging and longevity
through meaningful guidedconversations.
If If you've ever wonderedwhat's really possible in your
next chapter, Marilyn is here toshow you the way with wisdom,
warmth, and just the rightamount of spark.
welcome Marilyn.
It's so great to have you on theshow.
Marilyn Hintsa (02:40):
Thank you.
It's, lovely to be here and I'mlooking forward to this
conversation.
Yasmin Nguyen (02:43):
Well, Marilyn, for those of us who have not
gotten a chance to get to knowyou, would you share a little
bit more about your journey andwhat inspired you to focus on
the retirement experience?
Marilyn Hintsa (02:54):
Sure.
So I would say this journey intocoaching started, before I
retired.
I was thinking that I wanted mypost-career career to be in
coaching.
And so when I was unexpectedlyearly, retired in 2019, it was
pretty easy for me to decide toenroll in a coach training
school.
(03:14):
And get whatever credentials Ineeded to get.
And at the time, I was thinkingthat I would do leadership or
executive coaching becausepeople said, Hey, that's where
the money is, you know?
And I thought, oh, well I wannamake money.
And so I chose my schoolaccordingly.
That's what they focused on.
And then at the end of that,when I was gonna hang up my
shingle, I thought, wow, Irealize now that I'm entering a
(03:36):
really, saturated market.
There are a lot of coaches whodo that, and I'm not sure I can.
Distinguish myself in thatgroup.
And also by that time, it hadbeen almost two years that I'd
been out of the corporate worldand I thought, I'm not sure I
want to go back to those issuesagain.
I'm not sure I care anymore.
(03:57):
Right.
Um, and a friend of mine in mynetwork, he's in the health
sector, and he said that he hadbeen seeing, people, mostly men,
who were on the verge ofretiring or had just retired.
Not being really happy withtheir situation and feeling lost
or not sure what to do or notmaking the most of their time or
(04:18):
whatever.
And he said, they could use somecoaching.
So I did some research and foundout that retirement coaching
actually was a thing.
and it resonated with me becausewhen I was in my corporate job.
I saw many people, again, mostlymen who were in senior
positions, had long and verylucrative careers in the
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business, and so were, very wellset up to retire.
And they were of an age toretire and they didn't, they
just kept coming to work andsometimes working sort of
half-heartedly.
And I thought, oh my God, what adrag.
I was somebody who wanted toretire the day I started
working, so I thought some.
(05:00):
I don't think that now I thinkthat choice to continue working
is a very valid choice and onethat, there's all kinds of good
psychological reasons forcontinuing to do that, but at
the time, that's what I felt andthat's why that idea of
retirement coaching resonated somuch with me because I thought,
how nice to be able to helppeople do that better.
Yasmin Nguyen (05:17):
Speaking of helping people, are there
specific types of clients thatyou work with and if so, what
are some of the commonchallenges that you've noticed
they face?
Marilyn Hintsa (05:25):
When I started my practice, I thought I would,
well, I didn't think, I actuallydid try to niche my practice
into a particular profession,and that did not work out well
for me because I chose the nichefor the wrong reasons.
it wasn't really where I wantedto be spending my time, and so I
(05:47):
ended up coaching people whocame from a whole variety of
different professions, differentroles, different outlooks, and I
still recognize that I shouldprobably be niching in some way
and figuring out who I reallywanted to work for.
But as you probably well know.
It's not that easy as aretirement coach to find
clients, regardless of whetheryou're niching or you're not
(06:09):
niching.
and the majority of us coachesare not brilliant business
people.
That was never our focus.
And so it's challenging and soI.
We all tend to take all comersis my impression of most of the
coaches that I know.
And so I did too.
And now that I have changed thefocus of my practice to be more
(06:29):
group oriented versus one-on-onecoaching with my, group work
called Next Chapter Dialogues.
What I want in those groups isas many perspectives and
experiences as possible so thatpeople can share and learn new
things from each other.
Niching or trying to figure outan ideal client would be a
little bit counterproductive forthat.
(06:49):
having said that.
the people in the groups arepeople who are thoughtful.
They want to be learning, theywanna be sharing their
experiences and hearing otherpeople's, and they wanna be in
community as they navigate thisjourney versus doing it on their
own or doing it one-to-one withcoaches.
(07:10):
So I guess I have come around toa niche.
but a big one.
Kathleen Mundy (07:16):
Marilyn oftentimes, it's our experience
that limiting mindsets reallymake a difference on how people
navigate this, And have youfound that's the case?
And if so, how do you shifttheir mindset and their
perspective on the whole processof retirement?
Marilyn Hintsa (07:35):
That's interesting.
I find that the limited mindsetscome in, what their capabilities
are, how much they're willing tostep out of their box, how much
they're willing to try newthings, how much courage they
have to, do something different.
So I find that's the mindsetlimitation.
And I think the only way to helppeople get over that is, to
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encourage them to take smallsteps, to encourage them to try
a little bit, see how that goesand to get around to thinking if
it doesn't work, it's no bigdeal.
we can do something differenttomorrow than we did today.
and for me.
Um, and the way that I tend towork with people, I think that
retirement is a time for tryinglots of different things, for
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saying yes to things And bydoing that, you're discovering
more about yourself.
And you're able to slowly say,oh, I like doing this and I
don't like doing that, and Ilike this about that, and I
don't like this.
And gradually coming to theplace where you go, okay, if I
put all of that informationtogether, that's what I wanna
(08:43):
do.
I've now figured it out becauseI've tried a bunch of things and
I've landed on the thing.
That makes sense.
Yasmin Nguyen (08:49):
Marilyn, you talked about people stepping out
of the box.
I'm curious what have younoticed holds people back from
stepping out of the box?
Marilyn Hintsa (08:58):
Courage or a lack thereof, or they don't know
what they wanna do if they stepout of the bar, like they don't
know where to turn.
They don't know where to start.
and some people of course havebeen doing it their whole lives
and it's easy for them.
They love trying new things.
other people who are a bit more,I don't know if conservative is
the right word, but it takescourage to do it, and it also
(09:20):
takes letting go of the factthat people are going to judge
you because you've donesomething that turned out to be
not really great, So it'sgetting rid of that sense of
people will judge me.
And I think that this time ofour life is a wonderful time to
strive to be our most authenticselves.
And I think that does require usto try new things because by
(09:45):
doing that, we learn more aboutourselves.
And once you are confident aboutwho you actually really are
without all of those masks andeverything else that we put on
when we're working, you developthe confidence to do new things.
You develop a new confidence andyou.
are less concerned about thejudgment of others,
Kathleen Mundy (10:07):
I wanna go a little bit deeper into this,
Marilyn, because you've hit anerve in so That you've just
said.
I can so relate it.
Most of our listeners, ouraudience knows that I did retire
and it didn't last long.
And yes, I love working.
but one of the things that youmentioned is the fear, or you
don't have courage, but I thinkyou're on point when you talk
(10:27):
about judgment, fear of beingjudged, Of people saying, well,
what are you going to do?
what are your plans?
And quite frankly, sometimes youdon't have any.
And, saying yes to everythingworked for me because I was, it
was really easy for me to,realize very quickly what I did
not want to do.
(10:48):
And I love that you brought thatto the surface and I think that
Many people need the courage torealize that judgment shouldn't
be a part of it.
And to have someone like youkind of walk them through that
process of learning because itis a learned skill.
Now I'm just curious though, ifyou've helped people get through
this, can you give us anopportunity to just tell us a
(11:08):
little story about a majorbreakthrough that a client had?
Marilyn Hintsa (11:13):
I had a client who was, had a very senior
person in the not-for-profitsector, so CEO of major global,
not-for-profit organizations.
And he was six months fromretirement when we met and he
had gained a lot of, Notorietyin a positive way as a result of
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the work he had done.
He had been rewarded for hiswork.
and so he had a certain standingin society as a result, and he
was concerned that thisinfluence in standing in society
might disappear when he retired.
And so I said to him, so whenyou got into the work that you
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did that gave you so muchsatisfaction and at which you
were so successful, when you gotinto that maybe in your twenties
or your thirties, did you carewhether you achieved a certain
status in society?
And he said, no, not at all.
And I said, well, think on thatbecause is it really that
(12:19):
important to you?
if it wasn't part of your valuesystem at that time, it probably
isn't anymore.
And he was really taken aback bythat.
I don't know what he's doingnow, but anyways.
Kathleen Mundy (12:35):
I think that experience must have really
shaped the way you coach,because those are very pointed
questions How did that change orshape your coaching practice?
Marilyn Hintsa (12:46):
I think that I've always been very direct in
the way that I coach.
I think that the role of acoach, quite frankly, is to be
direct and say the thing thatnobody else is willing to say.
And ask the question that nobodyelse is willing to ask or won't
ask In that way, they might be alittle bit more obtuse about it,
and you might eventually getaround, but I've always been
(13:08):
really direct, just in generalin my personality, in the way
that I, if I wanna knowsomething, I just ask,
Yasmin Nguyen (13:16):
Marilyn, do you find that there are certain
questions that you ask moreoften than others?
Marilyn Hintsa (13:22):
it's, it's hard to say because with every week
we have different topics.
so the questions are reallydriven by the topics, and I
would say that they're questionslike, what do you think of what
I just shared with you?
or, what do you think of thisconcept that I asked you to read
about or whatever.
and then as we go around theroom and everybody, puts in
(13:45):
their thoughts I do askquestions that kind of go a
little bit deeper for each ofthem.
Yasmin Nguyen (13:51):
Is there a topic that you could share with us
that perhaps you've discussedrecently?
like purpose or perhaps familyrelationships or loss or, common
issues that people are reallyinterested in engaging in?
Marilyn Hintsa (14:06):
Well, purpose was one that they were all
interested in engaging in Theidea of purpose is kind of
amorphous for most people.
They don't really know whatpurpose are we talking about?
Are we talking about why I wasborn?
Are we talking about, what getsme outta bed every morning?
Are we talking about somethingelse?
I would say that each of thepeople in my group had a very
(14:27):
different sense of what purposemeant.
It parsing through that withinthe group really helped us come
around to the idea that.
There are these three levels ofpurpose.
There's the big P purpose, whatam I supposed to do with my time
on the planet?
And then there's the dailypurpose, which is a bit like
Ikigai.
(14:48):
what am I going to do todaythat's going to be useful and
helpful.
Um, and then there's that in themiddle.
This this is my.
Job right now.
My role right now, what is thepurpose of this sort of stage of
life purpose?
And, I found that theconversation with them on
purpose, had a session on it andthen it would pop up again later
(15:13):
in another session when we weretalking about something else.
and they were still, we stillstruggle with this idea of.
Okay, how do I define mypurpose?
What is it exactly?
I can't put it into words, Ican't articulate it.
but I know when I have it,
Kathleen Mundy (15:28):
If someone's preparing for retirement, how
would you help them?
get into that space where theythink about purpose in those
three level terms that you justspoke about.
How would you help them prior totheir actual retirement date?
Marilyn Hintsa (15:44):
I would ask them to consider what they've, if
they have not yet retired, Howthey consider purpose in their
current life.
So is it the work that's givingthem purpose?
Right now in, as they'reworking, has that always been
true?
Is it work that gives thempurpose or is work just an
expression of something forthem?
(16:06):
A way to make money, put a roofover their heads, and is there
something else that gives them asense of purpose?
Is it their family?
Is it their children?
Is it their relationships?
Like where does that sense ofpurpose lie for them now?
And if it is in their work,then.
I would talk to them about,okay, that's gonna go away.
(16:28):
So if you don't have anotherpart of your life where you feel
purposeful, we're gonna have towork through what you might
think is purposeful goingforward, which might, be
anything.
I think it's most important forpeople to realize that.
most of our lives, we don'tthink about purpose.
(16:50):
It just is.
It's delivered to us in variousways.
We don't think about it.
And so I think just beginningthat thought process of, oh,
purpose.
Yeah, purpose work is my purposethat is it, or no, it's not.
And then being able to getdeeper into what purpose might
be for you if you didn't havethis job.
Kathleen Mundy (17:11):
that's a reflection of your direct
questioning
Marilyn Hintsa (17:14):
Indeed.
Yasmin Nguyen (17:17):
Marilyn, it seems like you get a lot of joy in
working with groups.
what is it about the dynamicsof, working with groups, really
resonate with you?
Marilyn Hintsa (17:29):
It is interesting, I decided to go
down this path, and it had beenin the back of my mind for a
long time and I was almost readyto shutter my practice and I
said, no, you must try thisbefore you shutter just to see
whether this was the thing youwere supposed to do.
And so I ran a pilot group and Iran the pilot group partly to
see how.
(17:49):
People in the group would reactto this and whether it would,
resonate for them, but also tosee whether I liked it, whether
I enjoyed facilitating a group,whether I wanted to see them
every week for 90 minutes.
Kathleen Mundy (18:01):
That's direct
Marilyn Hintsa (18:03):
I didn't say that to them.
Kathleen Mundy (18:04):
No, I'm just.
Marilyn Hintsa (18:05):
but I genuinely wanted to understand my own
reaction to doing this sort ofthing, right?
And, it was interesting because,I was amazed at how much the
group members got out of it,which of course made me feel
really good.
But I was also realizing weekafter week.
(18:25):
That I'm actually good at this.
That I'm good at facilitating aconversation.
I'm good at coming up with atopic that people will be
interested in talking about.
I'm good at making sure thateverybody in the group has a say
and I don't let anybody get awaywith not commenting on one of my
questions.
and that again is my directnessWhen I was in corporate and I
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would be doing a presentationand people would never sit in
the front row, I'd get somebodyto move all the chairs outta the
front row so that whoever was inthe second row was now in the
front row.
Because I said, come on, youguys, you're adults.
Just sit in the front row forGod's sakes.
Anyways, so I do run my groups alittle bit like that, where you
cannot hide.
(19:09):
You cannot hide from me anddon't try.
And so far that's worked outreally well.
But I think what I get out of itis I see the, the way that
people share and the fact thatafter a few weeks they trust
each other, they care about eachother, they're willing to be
vulnerable.
And I just love that, dynamicthat.
(19:33):
Change that thing that happensin a group.
I just think it's magical.
Kathleen Mundy (19:39):
That's evolution at its best.
Yasmin Nguyen (19:42):
Marilyn, you talked a little bit earlier
about, holding, or I suggestedthat people are perhaps holding
themselves back from stepping inthe box, and I imagine that in a
group setting, when you arelistening to someone else share
their story, that in some waysit gives you courage, but it
also gives you permission to beable to contribute too.
have you noticed something likethat?
Marilyn Hintsa (20:02):
Yeah, for sure.
I think that, when one groupmember talks about all the
things she's been doing inwithin her community because she
has decided that she just wantsto experiment and try a bunch of
other things, I can see otherpeople going, oh, that sounds
like a good idea.
Maybe I could do that.
Maybe I could try that.
that doesn't sound so scary.
And how did you end up doingthat?
(20:23):
so just the.
The ability to turn to somebodyand say, oh, that that course
you took sounds interesting.
How do I sign up for that?
Or where do I go for that?
Or, and now it's at the pointwhere the people who are living
close together wanna gettogether.
I.
In person, and so that wouldencourage them to also go off
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and do things together and try,because I think also that helps
in stepping outta your box is ifyou've got a buddy who wants to
step out with you.
Yasmin Nguyen (20:52):
that's so true.
we've watched and read so manystudies about loneliness and how
that is so pervasive, especiallyin this chapter of our lives and
what.
You're doing is not onlyintroducing people to new ideas,
discoveries, but you're alsoconnecting people and
potentially new relationshipsthat can really enrich their
lives.
Marilyn Hintsa (21:12):
And that was part of my objective when I
started this, because I havecome to learn as a lifelong
loner to a large degree.
In my later years, I've come torealize how important having
people in your life is and howlucky I am in spite of my loner
tendencies to have developed alovely group of friends.
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and I'm more grateful of thatnow than I ever have been.
And I think that, you the ideaof being isolated and lonely in
your, oldest years would beterrifying.
I.
Yasmin Nguyen (21:48):
Speaking of terrifying, how do you create a
safe container or space forpeople to really share and be
vulnerable?
Marilyn Hintsa (21:55):
that's where some of the magic is.
I find it amazing, really.
I don't know how I do this.
I just, I don't know.
It just happens.
Kathleen Mundy (22:06):
I don't think people have a choice because you
make them sit in the front seat.
You insist that they allparticipate.
And sometimes when you do that,I remember, when we were in
school, The first time you hadto sit in that front row, it was
a little bit nerve wracking, butthen it became incredibly
comfortable and everyone wasbehind you, so you didn't really
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have to even see reaction.
But I think that yourpersonality Has created this
environment to make people comeout of their shells, and see
things a different way.
Marilyn Hintsa (22:39):
I don't know what else it would be.
'cause I think I am, in spite ofmy directness is usually kind,
I, I think that I accept peoplefor who they are, and I don't
really wanna change who they areand I'm curious about their
stories.
I'm curious about what they'rethinking.
And I think that comes through.
Um, and I think that's part ofbuilding a safe space, and being
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a good listener, which is,something I learned to be better
at and through coach training.
Yasmin Nguyen (23:08):
because you make people feel safe, you're not
judgemental, I think that senseof feeling judged, frightens
people from sharing.
Marilyn Hintsa (23:17):
yeah, and I'm, I've never been a judgmental
person, so that is part of mypersonality as you suggest
Kathleen.
Kathleen Mundy (23:24):
Well, Marilyn, it just, you mentioned how
you've learned to listen.
What other things Has thisprocess taught you working with
clients?
Marilyn Hintsa (23:34):
Listening is certainly a big one.
I think it's also made merealize how to be curious, more
curious than I might've been inthe past.
and that.
we all have that we, don'talways reveal.
partly because of judgment.
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and that sometimes it's justenough to be there.
You know when somebody needssome support, sometimes they
don't need you to be asking themquestions.
Sometimes they don't need you tobe.
saying much of anything at all.
They just need to have somebodywho listens.
And I was out with a friendrecently and she had a close
(24:17):
relative pass and she hadn'treally been out since that
happened.
And we were sitting over dinnerjust talking about normal things
we talk about when I finallysaid, and how are you doing?
And she burst into tears.
And she said, oh my God, I'm sosorry.
I haven't done this for a coupleweeks.
(24:38):
And I said, don't worry aboutit.
Just, just be, and afterwardsshe said that she was so
grateful to have had thatopportunity just, to, to a, have
a normal conversation, but alsoto feel free enough in a public
space to do that.
Yasmin Nguyen (24:53):
Yeah, that is such a gift to be able to share
and be present and just listenand allow someone to be able to
be seen and heard, andunderstood.
'cause that in itself is theactual transformation that, some
people may not have theopportunity to
Marilyn Hintsa (25:08):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's interesting becausethat's one of the hardest things
for new coaches to learn, thatthey don't bring value by
suddenly taking over and tryingto teach the client something.
They bring value just by beingthere for the client and
allowing them to do theexploration that they need to
do.
Yasmin Nguyen (25:29):
I bet that really.
Is even more noticeable in agroup type of setting because
instead of being the teacher orthe person who knows the answer,
you're actually justfacilitating, allowing them to
interact.
Marilyn Hintsa (25:41):
Yeah.
And especially when they decideto go in a completely different
direction and the first time ithappened, I've become like.
Okay, what's happening now,because I tend to be quite
script oriented and agendaoriented the first couple of
times it happened, I'm like,okay, what do I do now?
And it all worked out reallywell, and they had a lovely time
and I thought, oh, I know how todo this too.
Kathleen Mundy (26:03):
Well, isn't it just another form of discovery
though, certainly including,
Yasmin Nguyen (26:07):
Marilyn, if you were to meet someone who is
thinking about retirement, whatsort of lessons or what would
you share with someone that's,on this journey?
I.
Marilyn Hintsa (26:18):
I guess it depends on where they are in the
journey, but if they're early inthe journey, I think I would say
don't go it alone.
there's lots of resources youcan draw on, ones that you can
access on your own.
You can hire a coach, you can.
Talk to your friends, talk toyour family.
Talk to the people of similarage at your gym just because
you're all in the same boat.
(26:39):
And, will welcome theopportunity to chat about this
time of life.
if you're feeling alone, don't.
You don't have to feel alone.
there's lots of people aroundyou who will be happy to share
their experiences and, look atthis time as a time of
regeneration versus an endingand a time that is exciting and
(27:04):
should be full of joy as yoursign says behind you.
those as your goals, to bejoyful, to be happy are very
excellent goals for this time oflife.
Kathleen Mundy (27:17):
feeling joy just having this conversation today.
it's wonderful to understandthat there are people like you
and our listeners are gonna beas impressed with your
straightforward, and I thinkthat it's a.
Pure and a curious attitude thatyou have, I wouldn't say direct,
I would say straightforward andcompassionate.
(27:39):
and that provides an environmentfor people to really be the
people they want to be, asopposed to people that have,
they've designed by virtue oftheir career or their family or
some of the other, obligationsthey've had in life.
I think today's conversation is.
Been really freeing for manypeople who've been in that
position.
Yasmin Nguyen (28:00):
for those, listeners who want to learn more
about you and your work, how canwe find you?
Marilyn Hintsa (28:05):
you can, access my website at www u lead u.ca.
I'm also on LinkedIn underMarilyn ssa.
I'm occasionally on Facebook,but not very often.
but I welcome anyone connectingwith me on LinkedIn or via my
website.
Yasmin Nguyen (28:23):
Okay, great.
We'll make sure to add those tothe show notes.
are there any final thoughtsthat you'd like to share with
our audience just from ourconversation or just anything
that you wanna inspire peoplewith?
Marilyn Hintsa (28:34):
Since I've been on this journey myself, my ideas
about retirement have changed alot.
And I, at this stage, am, youknow, really letting go of all
of the shoulds about retirement.
And there are a lot of them,there's a lot of pressure to
have an ambitious retirement.
There's a lot of pressure to, dogreat things in this next
(28:55):
chapter.
There's a lot of pressure toremain as young as you possibly
can for as long as you possiblycan.
And that may be right for somepeople that may be what brings
them satisfaction and a sense ofpurpose.
But if you are not that person,if you want a much quieter life
because you had a stressful job,your whole, career, then that's
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okay.
And in fact, whatever you chooseis okay.
don't fall victim to theshoulds.
Yasmin Nguyen (29:25):
Well, what a gift to be able to have this
conversation with you, Marilyn,and thank you for sharing your
insights and being here with ustoday.
Marilyn Hintsa (29:33):
thank you so much for inviting me.
This has been delightful.
Yasmin Nguyen (29:35):
right,
Kathleen Mundy (29:36):
Marilyn.
Marilyn Hintsa (29:37):
Okay.
Yasmin Nguyen (29:38):
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Join us next week for anotherreal retirement conversation.
Since I've been on this journey myself, my ideas
about retirement have changed alot.
And I, at this stage, am, youknow, really letting go of all
of the shoulds about retirement.
And there are a lot of them, youknow, there's a lot of pressure
to have an ambitious retirement.
There's a lot of pressure to, dogreat things in this next
(00:21):
chapter.
There's a lot of pressure toremain as young as you possibly
can for as long as you possiblycan.
And that may be right for somepeople that may be what brings
them satisfaction and a sense ofpurpose.
But if you are not that person,if you want a much quieter life
because you had a stressful job,your whole, career, then that's
(00:42):
okay.
And in fact, whatever you chooseis okay.
don't fall victim to theshoulds.
Yasmin Nguyen (00:51):
Welcome back to The Real Retirement Show.
My name is Yasmin.
Here with my co-host Kathleen.
Whether you're retired orthinking about retirement, we
delve into the multifacetedworld of retirement beyond the
finances.
This isn't your typicalretirement discussion.
It's a vibrant journey into whatretirement truly means in
today's world.
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We bring you real stories fromreal retirees and experts
discussing real challenges,surprises, joys, heartaches, and
the myriad of emotions that comewith retirement.
From addressing family dynamicsto mental and physical health,
to finding purpose, we tacklethe issues that truly matter to
retirees and those thinkingabout retirement.
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Today.
We are thrilled to welcomesomeone who has turned an
unexpected twist into aninspiring new path.
Meet Marilyn Hintsa, a dynamicvoice in the world of modern
retirement.
When Marilyn was early retiredfrom her corporate career in
late 2019, she didn't slow down.
She shifted gears instead ofheading for the hammock, she got
(01:58):
certified as a leadership coachand launch you lead You
post-career pathing to helpothers lead themselves into
vibrant purpose-filledpost-career lives.
Now she's taking things evenfurther with Next Chapter
Dialogues.
A fresh, powerful initiativethat brings people together
(02:18):
weekly on Zoom to explore lifeafter work, aging and longevity
through meaningful guidedconversations.
If If you've ever wonderedwhat's really possible in your
next chapter, Marilyn is here toshow you the way with wisdom,
warmth, and just the rightamount of spark.
welcome Marilyn.
It's so great to have you on theshow.
Marilyn Hintsa (02:40):
Thank you.
It's, lovely to be here and I'mlooking forward to this
conversation.
Yasmin Nguyen (02:43):
Well, Marilyn, for those of us who have not
gotten a chance to get to knowyou, would you share a little
bit more about your journey andwhat inspired you to focus on
the retirement experience?
Marilyn Hintsa (02:54):
Sure.
So I would say this journey intocoaching started, before I
retired.
I was thinking that I wanted mypost-career career to be in
coaching.
And so when I was unexpectedlyearly, retired in 2019, it was
pretty easy for me to decide toenroll in a coach training
school.
(03:14):
And get whatever credentials Ineeded to get.
And at the time, I was thinkingthat I would do leadership or
executive coaching becausepeople said, Hey, that's where
the money is, you know?
And I thought, oh, well I wannamake money.
And so I chose my schoolaccordingly.
That's what they focused on.
And then at the end of that,when I was gonna hang up my
shingle, I thought, wow, Irealize now that I'm entering a
(03:36):
really, saturated market.
There are a lot of coaches whodo that, and I'm not sure I can.
Distinguish myself in thatgroup.
And also by that time, it hadbeen almost two years that I'd
been out of the corporate worldand I thought, I'm not sure I
want to go back to those issuesagain.
I'm not sure I care anymore.
(03:57):
Right.
Um, and a friend of mine in mynetwork, he's in the health
sector, and he said that he hadbeen seeing, people, mostly men,
who were on the verge ofretiring or had just retired.
Not being really happy withtheir situation and feeling lost
or not sure what to do or notmaking the most of their time or
(04:18):
whatever.
And he said, they could use somecoaching.
So I did some research and foundout that retirement coaching
actually was a thing.
and it resonated with me becausewhen I was in my corporate job.
I saw many people, again, mostlymen who were in senior
positions, had long and verylucrative careers in the
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business, and so were, very wellset up to retire.
And they were of an age toretire and they didn't, they
just kept coming to work andsometimes working sort of
half-heartedly.
And I thought, oh my God, what adrag.
I was somebody who wanted toretire the day I started
working, so I thought some.
(05:00):
I don't think that now I thinkthat choice to continue working
is a very valid choice and onethat, there's all kinds of good
psychological reasons forcontinuing to do that, but at
the time, that's what I felt andthat's why that idea of
retirement coaching resonated somuch with me because I thought,
how nice to be able to helppeople do that better.
Yasmin Nguyen (05:17):
Speaking of helping people, are there
specific types of clients thatyou work with and if so, what
are some of the commonchallenges that you've noticed
they face?
Marilyn Hintsa (05:25):
When I started my practice, I thought I would,
well, I didn't think, I actuallydid try to niche my practice
into a particular profession,and that did not work out well
for me because I chose the nichefor the wrong reasons.
it wasn't really where I wantedto be spending my time, and so I
(05:47):
ended up coaching people whocame from a whole variety of
different professions, differentroles, different outlooks, and I
still recognize that I shouldprobably be niching in some way
and figuring out who I reallywanted to work for.
But as you probably well know.
It's not that easy as aretirement coach to find
clients, regardless of whetheryou're niching or you're not
(06:09):
niching.
and the majority of us coachesare not brilliant business
people.
That was never our focus.
And so it's challenging and soI.
We all tend to take all comersis my impression of most of the
coaches that I know.
And so I did too.
And now that I have changed thefocus of my practice to be more
(06:29):
group oriented versus one-on-onecoaching with my, group work
called Next Chapter Dialogues.
What I want in those groups isas many perspectives and
experiences as possible so thatpeople can share and learn new
things from each other.
Niching or trying to figure outan ideal client would be a
little bit counterproductive forthat.
(06:49):
having said that.
the people in the groups arepeople who are thoughtful.
They want to be learning, theywanna be sharing their
experiences and hearing otherpeople's, and they wanna be in
community as they navigate thisjourney versus doing it on their
own or doing it one-to-one withcoaches.
(07:10):
So I guess I have come around toa niche.
but a big one.
Kathleen Mundy (07:16):
Marilyn oftentimes, it's our experience
that limiting mindsets reallymake a difference on how people
navigate this, And have youfound that's the case?
And if so, how do you shifttheir mindset and their
perspective on the whole processof retirement?
Marilyn Hintsa (07:35):
That's interesting.
I find that the limited mindsetscome in, what their capabilities
are, how much they're willing tostep out of their box, how much
they're willing to try newthings, how much courage they
have to, do something different.
So I find that's the mindsetlimitation.
And I think the only way to helppeople get over that is, to
(07:59):
encourage them to take smallsteps, to encourage them to try
a little bit, see how that goesand to get around to thinking if
it doesn't work, it's no bigdeal.
we can do something differenttomorrow than we did today.
and for me.
Um, and the way that I tend towork with people, I think that
retirement is a time for tryinglots of different things, for
(08:22):
saying yes to things And bydoing that, you're discovering
more about yourself.
And you're able to slowly say,oh, I like doing this and I
don't like doing that, and Ilike this about that, and I
don't like this.
And gradually coming to theplace where you go, okay, if I
put all of that informationtogether, that's what I wanna
(08:43):
do.
I've now figured it out becauseI've tried a bunch of things and
I've landed on the thing.
That makes sense.
Yasmin Nguyen (08:49):
Marilyn, you talked about people stepping out
of the box.
I'm curious what have younoticed holds people back from
stepping out of the box?
Marilyn Hintsa (08:58):
Courage or a lack thereof, or they don't know
what they wanna do if they stepout of the bar, like they don't
know where to turn.
They don't know where to start.
and some people of course havebeen doing it their whole lives
and it's easy for them.
They love trying new things.
other people who are a bit more,I don't know if conservative is
the right word, but it takescourage to do it, and it also
(09:20):
takes letting go of the factthat people are going to judge
you because you've donesomething that turned out to be
not really great, So it'sgetting rid of that sense of
people will judge me.
And I think that this time ofour life is a wonderful time to
strive to be our most authenticselves.
And I think that does require usto try new things because by
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doing that, we learn more aboutourselves.
And once you are confident aboutwho you actually really are
without all of those masks andeverything else that we put on
when we're working, you developthe confidence to do new things.
You develop a new confidence andyou.
are less concerned about thejudgment of others,
Kathleen Mundy (10:07):
I wanna go a little bit deeper into this,
Marilyn, because you've hit anerve in so That you've just
said.
I can so relate it.
Most of our listeners, ouraudience knows that I did retire
and it didn't last long.
And yes, I love working.
but one of the things that youmentioned is the fear, or you
don't have courage, but I thinkyou're on point when you talk
(10:27):
about judgment, fear of beingjudged, Of people saying, well,
what are you going to do?
what are your plans?
And quite frankly, sometimes youdon't have any.
And, saying yes to everythingworked for me because I was, it
was really easy for me to,realize very quickly what I did
not want to do.
(10:48):
And I love that you brought thatto the surface and I think that
Many people need the courage torealize that judgment shouldn't
be a part of it.
And to have someone like youkind of walk them through that
process of learning because itis a learned skill.
Now I'm just curious though, ifyou've helped people get through
this, can you give us anopportunity to just tell us a
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little story about a majorbreakthrough that a client had?
Marilyn Hintsa (11:13):
I had a client who was, had a very senior
person in the not-for-profitsector, so CEO of major global,
not-for-profit organizations.
And he was six months fromretirement when we met and he
had gained a lot of, Notorietyin a positive way as a result of
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the work he had done.
He had been rewarded for hiswork.
and so he had a certain standingin society as a result, and he
was concerned that thisinfluence in standing in society
might disappear when he retired.
And so I said to him, so whenyou got into the work that you
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did that gave you so muchsatisfaction and at which you
were so successful, when you gotinto that maybe in your twenties
or your thirties, did you carewhether you achieved a certain
status in society?
And he said, no, not at all.
And I said, well, think on thatbecause is it really that
(12:19):
important to you?
if it wasn't part of your valuesystem at that time, it probably
isn't anymore.
And he was really taken aback bythat.
I don't know what he's doingnow, but anyways.
Kathleen Mundy (12:35):
I think that experience must have really
shaped the way you coach,because those are very pointed
questions How did that change orshape your coaching practice?
Marilyn Hintsa (12:46):
I think that I've always been very direct in
the way that I coach.
I think that the role of acoach, quite frankly, is to be
direct and say the thing thatnobody else is willing to say.
And ask the question that nobodyelse is willing to ask or won't
ask In that way, they might be alittle bit more obtuse about it,
and you might eventually getaround, but I've always been
(13:08):
really direct, just in generalin my personality, in the way
that I, if I wanna knowsomething, I just ask,
Yasmin Nguyen (13:16):
Marilyn, do you find that there are certain
questions that you ask moreoften than others?
Marilyn Hintsa (13:22):
it's, it's hard to say because with every week
we have different topics.
so the questions are reallydriven by the topics, and I
would say that they're questionslike, what do you think of what
I just shared with you?
or, what do you think of thisconcept that I asked you to read
about or whatever.
and then as we go around theroom and everybody, puts in
(13:45):
their thoughts I do askquestions that kind of go a
little bit deeper for each ofthem.
Yasmin Nguyen (13:51):
Is there a topic that you could share with us
that perhaps you've discussedrecently?
like purpose or perhaps familyrelationships or loss or, common
issues that people are reallyinterested in engaging in?
Marilyn Hintsa (14:06):
Well, purpose was one that they were all
interested in engaging in Theidea of purpose is kind of
amorphous for most people.
They don't really know whatpurpose are we talking about?
Are we talking about why I wasborn?
Are we talking about, what getsme outta bed every morning?
Are we talking about somethingelse?
I would say that each of thepeople in my group had a very
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different sense of what purposemeant.
It parsing through that withinthe group really helped us come
around to the idea that.
There are these three levels ofpurpose.
There's the big P purpose, whatam I supposed to do with my time
on the planet?
And then there's the dailypurpose, which is a bit like
Ikigai.
(14:48):
what am I going to do todaythat's going to be useful and
helpful.
Um, and then there's that in themiddle.
This this is my.
Job right now.
My role right now, what is thepurpose of this sort of stage of
life purpose?
And, I found that theconversation with them on
purpose, had a session on it andthen it would pop up again later
(15:13):
in another session when we weretalking about something else.
and they were still, we stillstruggle with this idea of.
Okay, how do I define mypurpose?
What is it exactly?
I can't put it into words, Ican't articulate it.
but I know when I have it,
Kathleen Mundy (15:28):
If someone's preparing for retirement, how
would you help them?
get into that space where theythink about purpose in those
three level terms that you justspoke about.
How would you help them prior totheir actual retirement date?
Marilyn Hintsa (15:44):
I would ask them to consider what they've, if
they have not yet retired, Howthey consider purpose in their
current life.
So is it the work that's givingthem purpose?
Right now in, as they'reworking, has that always been
true?
Is it work that gives thempurpose or is work just an
expression of something forthem?
(16:06):
A way to make money, put a roofover their heads, and is there
something else that gives them asense of purpose?
Is it their family?
Is it their children?
Is it their relationships?
Like where does that sense ofpurpose lie for them now?
And if it is in their work,then.
I would talk to them about,okay, that's gonna go away.
(16:28):
So if you don't have anotherpart of your life where you feel
purposeful, we're gonna have towork through what you might
think is purposeful goingforward, which might, be
anything.
I think it's most important forpeople to realize that.
most of our lives, we don'tthink about purpose.
(16:50):
It just is.
It's delivered to us in variousways.
We don't think about it.
And so I think just beginningthat thought process of, oh,
purpose.
Yeah, purpose work is my purposethat is it, or no, it's not.
And then being able to getdeeper into what purpose might
be for you if you didn't havethis job.
Kathleen Mundy (17:11):
that's a reflection of your direct
questioning
Marilyn Hintsa (17:14):
Indeed.
Yasmin Nguyen (17:17):
Marilyn, it seems like you get a lot of joy in
working with groups.
what is it about the dynamicsof, working with groups, really
resonate with you?
Marilyn Hintsa (17:29):
It is interesting, I decided to go
down this path, and it had beenin the back of my mind for a
long time and I was almost readyto shutter my practice and I
said, no, you must try thisbefore you shutter just to see
whether this was the thing youwere supposed to do.
And so I ran a pilot group and Iran the pilot group partly to
see how.
(17:49):
People in the group would reactto this and whether it would,
resonate for them, but also tosee whether I liked it, whether
I enjoyed facilitating a group,whether I wanted to see them
every week for 90 minutes.
Kathleen Mundy (18:01):
That's direct
Marilyn Hintsa (18:03):
I didn't say that to them.
Kathleen Mundy (18:04):
No, I'm just.
Marilyn Hintsa (18:05):
but I genuinely wanted to understand my own
reaction to doing this sort ofthing, right?
And, it was interesting because,I was amazed at how much the
group members got out of it,which of course made me feel
really good.
But I was also realizing weekafter week.
(18:25):
That I'm actually good at this.
That I'm good at facilitating aconversation.
I'm good at coming up with atopic that people will be
interested in talking about.
I'm good at making sure thateverybody in the group has a say
and I don't let anybody get awaywith not commenting on one of my
questions.
and that again is my directnessWhen I was in corporate and I
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would be doing a presentationand people would never sit in
the front row, I'd get somebodyto move all the chairs outta the
front row so that whoever was inthe second row was now in the
front row.
Because I said, come on, youguys, you're adults.
Just sit in the front row forGod's sakes.
Anyways, so I do run my groups alittle bit like that, where you
cannot hide.
(19:09):
You cannot hide from me anddon't try.
And so far that's worked outreally well.
But I think what I get out of itis I see the, the way that
people share and the fact thatafter a few weeks they trust
each other, they care about eachother, they're willing to be
vulnerable.
And I just love that, dynamicthat.
(19:33):
Change that thing that happensin a group.
I just think it's magical.
Kathleen Mundy (19:39):
That's evolution at its best.
Yasmin Nguyen (19:42):
Marilyn, you talked a little bit earlier
about, holding, or I suggestedthat people are perhaps holding
themselves back from stepping inthe box, and I imagine that in a
group setting, when you arelistening to someone else share
their story, that in some waysit gives you courage, but it
also gives you permission to beable to contribute too.
have you noticed something likethat?
Marilyn Hintsa (20:02):
Yeah, for sure.
I think that, when one groupmember talks about all the
things she's been doing inwithin her community because she
has decided that she just wantsto experiment and try a bunch of
other things, I can see otherpeople going, oh, that sounds
like a good idea.
Maybe I could do that.
Maybe I could try that.
that doesn't sound so scary.
And how did you end up doingthat?
(20:23):
so just the.
The ability to turn to somebodyand say, oh, that that course
you took sounds interesting.
How do I sign up for that?
Or where do I go for that?
Or, and now it's at the pointwhere the people who are living
close together wanna gettogether.
I.
In person, and so that wouldencourage them to also go off
(20:43):
and do things together and try,because I think also that helps
in stepping outta your box is ifyou've got a buddy who wants to
step out with you.
Yasmin Nguyen (20:52):
that's so true.
we've watched and read so manystudies about loneliness and how
that is so pervasive, especiallyin this chapter of our lives and
what.
You're doing is not onlyintroducing people to new ideas,
discoveries, but you're alsoconnecting people and
potentially new relationshipsthat can really enrich their
lives.
Marilyn Hintsa (21:12):
And that was part of my objective when I
started this, because I havecome to learn as a lifelong
loner to a large degree.
In my later years, I've come torealize how important having
people in your life is and howlucky I am in spite of my loner
tendencies to have developed alovely group of friends.
(21:33):
and I'm more grateful of thatnow than I ever have been.
And I think that, you the ideaof being isolated and lonely in
your, oldest years would beterrifying.
I.
Yasmin Nguyen (21:48):
Speaking of terrifying, how do you create a
safe container or space forpeople to really share and be
vulnerable?
Marilyn Hintsa (21:55):
that's where some of the magic is.
I find it amazing, really.
I don't know how I do this.
I just, I don't know.
It just happens.
Kathleen Mundy (22:06):
I don't think people have a choice because you
make them sit in the front seat.
You insist that they allparticipate.
And sometimes when you do that,I remember, when we were in
school, The first time you hadto sit in that front row, it was
a little bit nerve wracking, butthen it became incredibly
comfortable and everyone wasbehind you, so you didn't really
(22:28):
have to even see reaction.
But I think that yourpersonality Has created this
environment to make people comeout of their shells, and see
things a different way.
Marilyn Hintsa (22:39):
I don't know what else it would be.
'cause I think I am, in spite ofmy directness is usually kind,
I, I think that I accept peoplefor who they are, and I don't
really wanna change who they areand I'm curious about their
stories.
I'm curious about what they'rethinking.
And I think that comes through.
Um, and I think that's part ofbuilding a safe space, and being
(23:03):
a good listener, which is,something I learned to be better
at and through coach training.
Yasmin Nguyen (23:08):
because you make people feel safe, you're not
judgemental, I think that senseof feeling judged, frightens
people from sharing.
Marilyn Hintsa (23:17):
yeah, and I'm, I've never been a judgmental
person, so that is part of mypersonality as you suggest
Kathleen.
Kathleen Mundy (23:24):
Well, Marilyn, it just, you mentioned how
you've learned to listen.
What other things Has thisprocess taught you working with
clients?
Marilyn Hintsa (23:34):
Listening is certainly a big one.
I think it's also made merealize how to be curious, more
curious than I might've been inthe past.
and that.
we all have that we, don'talways reveal.
partly because of judgment.
(23:54):
and that sometimes it's justenough to be there.
You know when somebody needssome support, sometimes they
don't need you to be asking themquestions.
Sometimes they don't need you tobe.
saying much of anything at all.
They just need to have somebodywho listens.
And I was out with a friendrecently and she had a close
(24:17):
relative pass and she hadn'treally been out since that
happened.
And we were sitting over dinnerjust talking about normal things
we talk about when I finallysaid, and how are you doing?
And she burst into tears.
And she said, oh my God, I'm sosorry.
I haven't done this for a coupleweeks.
(24:38):
And I said, don't worry aboutit.
Just, just be, and afterwardsshe said that she was so
grateful to have had thatopportunity just, to, to a, have
a normal conversation, but alsoto feel free enough in a public
space to do that.
Yasmin Nguyen (24:53):
Yeah, that is such a gift to be able to share
and be present and just listenand allow someone to be able to
be seen and heard, andunderstood.
'cause that in itself is theactual transformation that, some
people may not have theopportunity to
Marilyn Hintsa (25:08):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's interesting becausethat's one of the hardest things
for new coaches to learn, thatthey don't bring value by
suddenly taking over and tryingto teach the client something.
They bring value just by beingthere for the client and
allowing them to do theexploration that they need to
do.
Yasmin Nguyen (25:29):
I bet that really.
Is even more noticeable in agroup type of setting because
instead of being the teacher orthe person who knows the answer,
you're actually justfacilitating, allowing them to
interact.
Marilyn Hintsa (25:41):
Yeah.
And especially when they decideto go in a completely different
direction and the first time ithappened, I've become like.
Okay, what's happening now,because I tend to be quite
script oriented and agendaoriented the first couple of
times it happened, I'm like,okay, what do I do now?
And it all worked out reallywell, and they had a lovely time
and I thought, oh, I know how todo this too.
Kathleen Mundy (26:03):
Well, isn't it just another form of discovery
though, certainly including,
Yasmin Nguyen (26:07):
Marilyn, if you were to meet someone who is
thinking about retirement, whatsort of lessons or what would
you share with someone that's,on this journey?
I.
Marilyn Hintsa (26:18):
I guess it depends on where they are in the
journey, but if they're early inthe journey, I think I would say
don't go it alone.
there's lots of resources youcan draw on, ones that you can
access on your own.
You can hire a coach, you can.
Talk to your friends, talk toyour family.
Talk to the people of similarage at your gym just because
you're all in the same boat.
(26:39):
And, will welcome theopportunity to chat about this
time of life.
if you're feeling alone, don't.
You don't have to feel alone.
there's lots of people aroundyou who will be happy to share
their experiences and, look atthis time as a time of
regeneration versus an endingand a time that is exciting and
(27:04):
should be full of joy as yoursign says behind you.
those as your goals, to bejoyful, to be happy are very
excellent goals for this time oflife.
Kathleen Mundy (27:17):
feeling joy just having this conversation today.
it's wonderful to understandthat there are people like you
and our listeners are gonna beas impressed with your
straightforward, and I thinkthat it's a.
Pure and a curious attitude thatyou have, I wouldn't say direct,
I would say straightforward andcompassionate.
(27:39):
and that provides an environmentfor people to really be the
people they want to be, asopposed to people that have,
they've designed by virtue oftheir career or their family or
some of the other, obligationsthey've had in life.
I think today's conversation is.
Been really freeing for manypeople who've been in that
position.
Yasmin Nguyen (28:00):
for those, listeners who want to learn more
about you and your work, how canwe find you?
Marilyn Hintsa (28:05):
you can, access my website at www u lead u.ca.
I'm also on LinkedIn underMarilyn ssa.
I'm occasionally on Facebook,but not very often.
but I welcome anyone connectingwith me on LinkedIn or via my
website.
Yasmin Nguyen (28:23):
Okay, great.
We'll make sure to add those tothe show notes.
are there any final thoughtsthat you'd like to share with
our audience just from ourconversation or just anything
that you wanna inspire peoplewith?
Marilyn Hintsa (28:34):
Since I've been on this journey myself, my ideas
about retirement have changed alot.
And I, at this stage, am, youknow, really letting go of all
of the shoulds about retirement.
And there are a lot of them,there's a lot of pressure to
have an ambitious retirement.
There's a lot of pressure to, dogreat things in this next
(28:55):
chapter.
There's a lot of pressure toremain as young as you possibly
can for as long as you possiblycan.
And that may be right for somepeople that may be what brings
them satisfaction and a sense ofpurpose.
But if you are not that person,if you want a much quieter life
because you had a stressful job,your whole, career, then that's
(29:16):
okay.
And in fact, whatever you chooseis okay.
don't fall victim to theshoulds.
Yasmin Nguyen (29:25):
Well, what a gift to be able to have this
conversation with you, Marilyn,and thank you for sharing your
insights and being here with ustoday.
Marilyn Hintsa (29:33):
thank you so much for inviting me.
This has been delightful.
Yasmin Nguyen (29:35):
right,
Kathleen Mundy (29:36):
Marilyn.
Marilyn Hintsa (29:37):
Okay.
Yasmin Nguyen (29:38):
Thank you for taking the time to join us
today.
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Check out this show notes withlinks to resources mentioned in
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