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Rico Havoc sits down for one of his most revealing conversations yet, taking us through the extraordinary journey that transformed him from a young dancer in Philadelphia's Dollar Boys movement to a musical innovator who changed the city's sound. 

Born while his mother was incarcerated and with his father behind bars, Rico's early life under his grandmother's care in Southwest Philadelphia established the foundation for his resilience. When he emerged as a standout talent in the Dollar Boys—a youth dance movement centered around Jams skating rink—Rico was already building cultural capital without realizing it. These weekend dance battles weren't just entertainment; they were the breeding ground for an entire aesthetic movement that would eventually reshape Philadelphia's musical identity.

What makes Rico's story particularly powerful is how personal tragedy became the catalyst for his musical evolution. After experiencing violence on the streets, coping with his mother's dementia, and serving time in juvenile detention, Rico found his voice in the recording booth. His breakthrough hit "Lucas" wasn't just a song with a dance—it was the blueprint that opened doors for countless Philadelphia artists who followed.

Throughout our conversation, Rico draws important distinctions between his "derp" style and drill music, emphasizing that his art comes from processing trauma rather than glorifying it. "I don't make music to make people want to do stuff," he explains. "I make music to escape what I'm going through and to touch people." This philosophy has allowed him to continuously reinvent himself while maintaining an authenticity that resonates deeply with listeners.

Listen now to understand how one artist's journey through grief, incarceration, and creative evolution created ripple effects that continue to shape an entire city's musical landscape. As Rico himself puts it: "It's never over for me"—words that speak to the resilience that defines both his life and his art.

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Speaker 2 (00:15):
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I'm rolling and we just wrappedup the craziest, craziest
interview.
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Speaker 3 (00:45):
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certain thing is a certain name,is a certain package of trying
to be it.
I might have to do certainlittle things that might get me
to trust them.
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
If you don't, you're a motherfucking A to the Y, to
the three.
Really the Moose Market.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
One.
Oh man, what's up?
White boy, we got the guy inthe building man, that's our ski
you know what I mean.
Now, when he came in here, Itold him you know what I mean.
He, the prince of Philly man.
You know what I'm saying?
This is my guy.
Why not the king?
The king, yeah, why not?
I'm asking you.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
I always gave you the prince.
I don't know why.
You was always the prince ofthe city to me.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
You know I mean but yeah, bro the king, why not?
You know I'm saying you right,uh, yo, I'm realer I'm white boy
d2a and this the real of themost man.
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I mean, we got Rico Havoc inthe building.

(01:54):
Do the rundown for us, WhiteBoy.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
So you know, like, coming out of Philly, that's one
of the young guys that's beenworking for a long time and um,
when I say I know he young, sowhen I say a long time, y'all
like that, how long could it be?
Well, it's been.
It's been a little while likehis whole life yeah, since he
came on the scene and you knowphiladelphia.
They had a um, a kid group backin the day that um held all uh,

(02:21):
all the talent from all overthe city and it was called the
dollar boys and then um.
Inside the dollar boys, rico wasone of the like prominent kids
and everybody would come tothese parties and see dance and
watch dances, things like that.
So it's like he actually beenon the scene for over a decade
in the game.
So it's like it's dope to havehim on our couch today and then

(02:44):
like everything that he um thathe did in the um in the music
we're gonna get into it it's,it's been, it's been excellent
to see and, um, you know we'regonna talk about it today, you
know sir, yes sir, the trialsand errors, you know.
I'm saying tribes and trib.
We just gonna get into it, man.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
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Speaker 4 (03:15):
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Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
And we about to go in .
Man, you already know.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
So Rico, where you from Rico?

Speaker 5 (03:24):
What's up y'all?
Rico Havoc, yeah, the Derp King, the Derp God.
Yeah, I'm from SouthwestPhiladelphia.
You know, killadove the finestTo be, exact.
You know, I love where I'm from, right, shout out to my city.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
You know, coming up in Philly growing up the
Southwest area is not an easyplace to come up out of and
coming up we be havinginfluences, and when I say
influences right away, I meanlike the ones that be like
either in your house or likeright outside your door.
Give me a few of them.
Give me a few of them growingup.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
First of all, let me shout out to my G-mom she had
came and picked me up fromMuncie County, where my mom was
locked up when she had me.
Okay, and coming from MuncieCounty, moving to down the
bottom.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
And shout out to my G-mom.
So you know I ain't going tosay the average, you know
poverty kid or like the averageperson coming from Philly, but I
was at my grandma's house, itwas a couple of us.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (04:27):
You know what I'm saying.
So I grew up in that you knowwe had some good home cooked
meals.
We had some fun play fightswith my cousin.
You know sport competition, Icame from that.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (04:39):
As far as like in house, right, you know.
As like in, in, in house rightyou know,

Speaker 2 (04:45):
what I'm saying.
Yeah, so that's dope, so wow.
So basically moms was uh,basically she was booked while
she was pregnant with you?

Speaker 5 (04:57):
yeah, and when when she gave birth to you.
Yeah, it was in prison.
Yeah, in the muncie countyhospital.
Yeah, yeah, dang, my grandmahad to come pick me up, and my
dad was locked up too okay, youknow lonely.
My pop and team man he was, hewas, he was locked up at the
time too.
So I had to go with my grandma.
Okay, my mom ain't really hadtoo many, too many family up
here.
They came from maryland okay tosouth philly, yeah, so like she

(05:18):
ain't really had too many likefamily out here.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
So my dad, all my, my papa and they from North, so
like that's how that went yeah,shout out to grandma yeah, shout
out to my G mom and like down,so you coming up with grandma as
an early influence, and thenlike mmm, so give me like when,

(05:41):
so, so give me dancing, so whendancing come along.
Oh, dancing came along when,like you talking about MySpace
DMACC, I'm talking about likewhen dancing came along in your
life, like in childhood.

Speaker 5 (05:57):
When we just having our cookouts, like we was having
our cookouts, I think, likeparty music from over here was
just now hitting the scene,evolving from, I know, dc got
their own thing, or Jersey, butin Philly when they blocked the
parties off just back whenpeople was doing the spray paint
t-shirts.
Y'all remember when people usedto transition in RIP t-shirts

(06:22):
and everybody used to get theirJones Airbrush.
This was that time.
So they had it blocked off andplayed a part of the music and
I'll always be battling my AuntBert and shit Shout out, aunt
Bert, man Shout out.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Aunt Bert.

Speaker 5 (06:36):
Aunt Bert, uncle Dan, they used to always pipe me up
as a youngin', so I just knewthe love that just was what it
was you know what I'm saying,right?

Speaker 2 (06:43):
so like early on, would you, um, just like at the,
at the uh neighborhood cookoutsand you know you, you busting
out on dances and doing dances,like okay.
So back then, like, did youthink?
Like, oh, did you have it inyour head?
Like I can, I'm, I'm dancing alittle bit better than your
average person I got it'ssomething there.

(07:04):
No, it was natural, first ofall first of all, I'm black.

Speaker 5 (07:09):
You know what I'm saying.
So, when it comes to havingrhythm, right and you know the
ones that came before us, likemichael j, just just a thing
like if you was, like you know,archipelagic, you just had
rhythm and soul.
Dancing was a norm.
Yeah, as far as when I movedwith my mom when I was nine
years old and and we went tosouthwest, we lived in north for

(07:30):
a year and then we went downsouthwest, I kind of I wasn't, I
wasn't dancing, I was kind oflike going into the dollar
parties, but then I looked onyoutube and then they had that
light on dancers and partygroups so I used to be watching
it from my computer like, oh,who the fuck is this?
People at us, jams, skatingrinks.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
So I used to watch it on YouTube like yo.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
I need to go up there , like I need to find a way to
go up there and be a part of it,because I remember back when I
was like five, six, that my auntand my uncle used to make me
dance at the block parties, Okay, and I kind of wanted to tap
back in because it was likeintriguing.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, so that's how that cameabout.
And then I was on YouTube likeyo.

(08:14):
I got to get up jams.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
So we're so.
Jams basically is like a partyplace.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
It's a skating rink.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
It was was a skating ring that everybody used to go
to philadelphia, where everybodygo to yeah on um saturdays or
sundays yeah and all the lorddance groups go there and
showcase their talent and battleyeah, yeah, and there was more
to it, though.

Speaker 5 (08:40):
Like you had to have the air pasta.
Yeah, you had to have your swagwhen the h and them striped
hoodies was on, remember?
They had american apparel withthe capital letter and the
lowercase letter.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
It was a whole like different type of vibe you know
what I'm saying yeah, no, forsure, it was definitely a whole
little new era coming in yeah,like that, that whole little era
was coming in and it came instrong and like.
People would think like uh,it's just a fad, yeah.
But if you really look at it,that's where the whole shake,
that era and everything comefrom it all stemmed from that

(09:15):
right all the all the kidsthat's making the shake, that
sound and music and dance movesit really all come from jams
yeah I mean yeah facts or, orwas inspired no, I come from
that yeah, yeah, no, you said itright the first time it come
from that because, um,everything resurfaced and hit a

(09:36):
360.

Speaker 5 (09:37):
yeah and you know skating is is the culture for
Philly, for our city too.
Yeah, yeah, like skating,dancing being fly.
This is pre-DVD Now we talkingabout.
We got DVD spitters.
That's a different bracket, agebracket than it is, than like
prior, like teens and youngerkids growing up.

(10:00):
Yeah, you get what I'm saying.
So it's like these are littlebros, this is what they doing
the party shit.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
And yeah, they dancing, they wearing yeah, so
all right, the DVD guys.
They graduated to wherever,where they stopped doing DVDs
and now they making tapes sowhile they like all growing in
their careers and like trying toget it right, me blowing up
everybody else just trying tomake music yeah and get their
song rightwriting and artistrytogether.

(10:27):
You got the young guys that'scoming up when you would think
it would be like a lot of otherthings going on.
No, y'all chose to dance andstart doing music and create
these little groups and create alittle like village inside of
my space and these little socialmedia platforms to bring y'all

(10:52):
all together to come to jams onsaturday and sunday to battle
because it was all build-upsyeah you know, I mean it
wouldn't be just like we come inthe gym.
No, it'll be a whole week ofshit.
That happened on MySpace andYouTube building up to get to
jams.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
Before TikTok.
This is before YouTube viralBefore a lot of that stuff.
So that opened up the doors tous being able to monetize where
we at now as far as people doingthe jams thing but we was doing
production, we're not talkingabout the beats we was making,
we was listening to our ownbeats, dj rl dj tis like that's

(11:36):
not just take away from thedance.
This was a whole like yeah,movement, movement world.
Like you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (11:43):
like diamond cuts this team nike, team nike like
uh fucking, uh fire nation like.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
But they had their own production, we had the
computer.
So it was like yeah we kind ofwas monetizing back then and
didn't even know what we wasdoing.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
That's what I was gonna ask you.
Did y'all know what y'all wasdoing?

Speaker 5 (12:02):
bro.
Nah, you know why YouTubewasn't getting paid for that
stuff?
Back in YouTube.
Ok, it was all new.
It was all new.
You know what I'm saying.
After Soulja Boy, after he didthe Superman at home, start
going into the boroughs, we waskind of like the borough, that
kind of created our ownconglomerate you monetizing,

(12:26):
doing your own flyers, peoplemaking money to DJ the 923 era.
This was so y'all like YouTubedarling.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
So coming in on YouTube and getting a lot of
views and millions of views andthings, it was like read dollars
and then it trickled down tolike DVD rappers, that's coming
out of Philly.
And then after that it wasy'all Like after that it would
be all these battles and danceteams.

Speaker 5 (12:48):
That's why I like your story, you seen you was a
part of all that I'm talkingabout when Meek Mill was going
to, he ain't missed nothing.
When Meek Mill had to throw thejoint up, like when he was up
and coming and he had to put usaround his arm.
Like was up and coming and hehad to put us around his arm,

(13:09):
like I'm talking about 13.
Yeah, and like when he wasdoing his drawing.
You know, I don't know if itwas sneaker villa back then, but
it was one of them jaws wheredtlr sneaker villa it was
sneaker villa.
Yeah, and meek had to do likeus, like a um promo promo there,
but he wasn't like he was.
This was like pre-rick ross upand coming.
There's a flame coming, so hehad to like your baby, I'm in my

(13:31):
bag, I'm in my bag.
And he put his hands around andsaid kind of like, oh snap,
like yeah, so like that, oh noman, that's what I was telling
you Like.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
that's why I commended you earlier, because
that's for for you to be who youwas then and still be who you
are now and everything inbetween.
That's not an easy job to donow I mean, so it's like for you
to, you know, make it through.
Everything that happened inbetween is like dope to see.
You still come out on top, likemaking the dope music, like

(14:06):
you're making right now it'sdope now.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
The reason why I asked you did you know what you
was doing?
Because that's so manyresources from dancing yeah,
yeah, yeah I mean going throughsome of the stuff you've been
through like yeah, so so whatyou?

Speaker 2 (14:23):
uh, you know y'all building the um dollar boys and
um being one of the um known andtop dancing groups coming out
of the city and you actuallybeing like one of them, one of
them prominent figures.
All right, let me paint thepicture a little bit for the,
for the people out there.
So our dance group, dance group, now everybody, we all seen you

(14:44):
got served, so you got Ricoover here.
Then we gonna just say we got,come on, give me somebody.

Speaker 5 (14:52):
You got DJ crazy.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
DJ crazy over here.

Speaker 5 (14:55):
Mm-hmm, I got.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Rico team.
Dj crazy team.
Now you got, seem like you gotdollar boys now, rico Rico is
actually the guy that they like,the guy he got in the front.
That they like the guy.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
Yeah, he got you in the front.
Put him in the front.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
He's going to end it.
He's going to start it and he'sgoing to end it.
Crazy as well.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Right.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
They clash.
You see what?

Speaker 4 (15:17):
I'm saying so they are.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
That's who they are.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
And now to see y'all like, actually be who y'all are
and do music today it's even waymore dope.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, so it's like crazy, bro.
All right, so that's boom.
You.
You the head of your team, hethe head of his team, y'all
going head on now with you beingthat.
Did you ever see yourselfactually doing music?

Speaker 5 (15:44):
actually doing music.
I wanted to do music but Ikinda was like I used to write
little shit and just try, likejust little stuff, like try I
did.
I probably recorded somethingwhen I was like 14, like two
songs, I think, when.
Uh, I love that.
That my fucking problem.
I think I recorded that.
My voice ain't problem.

(16:05):
I think I require that.
My voice ain't even crackedwhen I did that joint.
I kind of like tried it andthen I kind of put my little
notebook away and kind of likeput it under my bed and just
kind of, because I had homestuff going on too.
So, bringing me back to reality, my imagination wasn't that
broad.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
My imagination was't that broad.

Speaker 5 (16:25):
My imagination was only the dancing, the parties
skating at Elmwood, going toShaw Middle School, coming back
home and trying to order AmberCrimey and Fitch off the
internet.
That was my whole like RobMarkman Jr Reality.
Lil Yachty Jr Reality to fityou off the internet Like that

(16:45):
was my whole like reality.
I wasn't thinking like damn,like I'm gonna be the next Jay-Z
, like if I'm being real.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
Nah, cause, in all reality you was young and like
thuggin livin.

Speaker 5 (16:59):
But I was taking pictures Like I did have fans
back then though, yeah, oh hellyeah dog From the dancing Hell,
yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
I wasn have fans back then though.

Speaker 5 (17:07):
Yeah, oh, hell yeah dog From the dancing Hell.
Yeah, but I wasn't even awareabout that, so I wasn't even
thinking like you feel me I wasso in the moment you was moving.
I was moving.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
That's how we live, though, because that's how we
watch the older people above uslive, so they live in a moment.
They don't prepare for thefuture.
We gonna grow up and see thatand be the same way.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
So, like with you not being able to like see the
future, they ain't reallynothing wrong, it's just like
circumstances.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it's the being in thepresent kinda like circumstances
.
Yeah, just being in the present, because I was kind of growing
up.
It looked like I was doing, butat home I was being forced to
grow faster than I kind ofreally wanted.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
You know what?

Speaker 5 (17:57):
I'm saying the dollar boy and all that.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
You like being the kid that you always wanted to be
, but as soon as you go home,you can't be that kid.

Speaker 5 (18:06):
It's like yeah, now it's kind of like damn, I'm back
to my I'm back to my reality.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
For me as like just moving with my mom at you know,
10 years old, Right, and I waslike damn, I ain't live with my
mom for all these many years.
So it's like I'm loving outsidebecause she gonna let me bet,
like feel me, yeah, so comingback home today it's kind of
like.
It's like kind of damn.

(18:34):
It's like she support all thatyo do music like you want.
Then like she support that, youknow what I'm saying.
And then coming back home andit's like damn, damn, I'm ready
to learn this joint computer.
Go back outside.
Just regular like I'm prettysure a lot of kids in Philly
grew up like that and it wasn'tuntil she had got dementia and I

(18:57):
was going to school.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
A lot of people didn't grow up like that though.

Speaker 5 (19:01):
No, no, no, I mean, but I'm only speaking for, like,
you got a certain kind bro yeahI mean you one of them.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
You know what I'm saying grateful to be grateful

Speaker 4 (19:09):
to be one of them, and and that's, that's the
reason to come with all thesetalents and the way you carry
yourself, being able to speak topeople and light up a room when
you feel like lighting up thatroom.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
You know what I'm saying um I think that all came
from even being on camera.
When I was young, People wouldthink this shit was like no, I
was kind of like this all builtconfidence.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
Yeah, this all was premeditated.

Speaker 5 (19:35):
These are levels that you can't buy.
Yeah, I had to go through it,that's why, like you, can't go
to school?
For this no fact.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
This is life levels you got to go through it.
Yeah fact, trials andtribulations.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 (19:47):
It's things that you went through that people could
come to you about.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
Right.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
That you got the knowledge on, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:53):
You feel me and that's how you got to take in
what you're going through andeverything I do that now I think
I I used to Because I didn'tsee my impact.
It only took for me to getolder and have my own child to
say yo damn.
And really sit back and see howmuch?
I was blessed and not worryabout too much of the
circumstances that I've beenthrough Like damn.

(20:14):
I had to struggle to be this, Imean.
I mean that's the make of it.
But no, not really.
Yeah, but nigga, you gotta justbe grateful for all that shit,
yeah.
You know, what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Ultimately, bro, you ushered in a whole lane and then
, like you were like motivationto the kids that came up under
you that was trying to do whatyou were already doing Know what
I mean.
And then when you signed yourdeal, it made it be more

(20:46):
tangible, like oh no, it's notfar-fetched, I can get that.
Rico did it he from right.
Here, you know, I mean type.
So with uh what you having thatcoming up, and then you like,
all right, I'm gonna try myselfin music.
So now our music coming about.
So you coming off the dollarboys and music coming about,
give me music coming about.

(21:06):
So you coming off the dollarboys and music coming about,
give me the duration from thedollar boys to lucas.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
All right, so that's something I do.
My mom had got dementia when Iwas all right, so we doing 14,
15 because I had got.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
I remember I got jumped by wilson projects man
yeah, yeah, we was down therescrubbing kid Rob Markman.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
Was this your high school days, lil Jon?
I was in shit, rob Markman.
Were you in high school, lilJon?
No, middle school, rob Markman.
Middle school, lil Jon.
I think I was about to go ninthgrade, west Philly High, rob
Markman.
Okay, lil Jon, right there.
I think that's when my urgebecause we had gotten into a
situation down there at the Boysand Girls Club, they had rude
on me down there.
When they rude on me and allthat I kinda was like the

(21:51):
situation made me be like man,fuck this shit, what school?
Just like all that shit Danceand shit.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
That's what you was fighting for.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
I was fighting for my respect.

Speaker 5 (22:04):
I wasn't even on that Nigga.
We had the Young Bulls Niggaswas hiding in trash cans and all
that shit.
I was kind of sacrificingmyself for niggas out there,
these niggas older and all that.
But I was already influencedoutside of that.
Yeah, leading up like littlestuff, like trying to smoke weed
like my mom, like why your eyeslook like that she already

(22:26):
think I'm smoking.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
just like 15, 14, like where you was getting that
influence from, like just aroundmy way when you was getting
that influence from Just aroundmy way, I'm down.
Southwest.

Speaker 5 (22:36):
Was this the OB days?
This wasn't OB.
Yeah, this was.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Y'all don't know.
They don't know about OB days.

Speaker 5 (22:45):
They don't know about OB days.
That are the guys from the OBdays.
This was after that.
Yeah, man, this was like rightafter that.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
So I kind of like you was groomed already, you know
yeah.

Speaker 5 (22:56):
I already kind of like you was groomed, I already
knew where, I knew, like I felt,like I grew that After that
happened I feel like damn, likefuck, I'm in this shit, or like
this shit, real life, out thisjoint, like something could have
happened to me, you done gotaround.
I still got a scar on my backfrom that shit, like I got cut

(23:17):
from that shit and all that.
So I'm like this shit ain'tworth it, like nigga, I'd rather
just like I'm going through allthis other shit.
So the duration was that, andthen that same year.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
I'm right across the street from Roar.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
What up Bings?

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Got.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
Uncle Mac on the phone.

Speaker 5 (23:38):
Yo Mac.
So look, that same year myDukes was already going through
what she was going through.
We kind of was going throughour own shit.
I was around the lean and allthat heavy.
Already that was her era.
I'm like a baby of that shit.

(23:59):
You know what I'm saying?
My mom just coming home and nowshe trying to raise a boy to be
a man.
And I'm kind of already outsidea little bit now.
Rob Markman, you on your bopalready, Lil Jon.
I'm already on my bop.
She know her son really theshit.
So it it was like when she gother own person, like she's
stepping up to the plate to dowhat she gotta do, my dad still
locked up can.

(24:20):
So the duration was like man,this I might go hang with my
homies from around my way.
Like let me just never just letthat happen to me.
Like, or just like like that.
So that's my mindset as younger.
Like this ain't gonna last.
That little other shit I usedto be in the computer is dead to
me now only because of theenvironment.
I'm influenced.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Now, feel me now I'm trying to be taken.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
I can't be so now it's like up my mindset got
locked up.
You feel me, then, that youknow what I'm saying.
My mom started getting.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
This is when philadelphia gets a hold of rico
having this.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
when they get the, they get a hold of the other
side of me, like now I'm outhere jamming shit and all that
Just now.
It's like because my mom gotdementia, now she paying the
rent and all that.
Now she, like I, was walkinghome from school one day.
She had a situation.
I remember walking home with myfriends, man this right when
Obama just became president, shehad a situation.
I had a traumatic situation,man.

(25:21):
Last time my mom even wasreally herself.
That I knew, man, it fucked meup.
So I was-.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
How was you able to-.

Speaker 5 (25:28):
I was 14.
That shit just like Get overthat.
I had to sell her pills for hernow and all that.
So now I was like man I I gottabe a man like I came around
that that other, that dog, wasgoing after that because, like
now it's like we about to getevicted.
You feel what I'm saying?
Now I gotta help my mom sellher 30s and her zeddies no, no,

(25:49):
no it is what it is.
It's deep, it's already.
It's like nigga, I don't evenwe.
Just we've been together forlike five years, so now it go
into the other lane.
You feel what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah, and then I got booked right after that.

Speaker 5 (26:06):
You know and this is a part, this, so I'm not doing.
I'm not doing that, I'm notdoing music.
I'm survival mindset.
I'm young, it's me.
My mom, my sister, moved out.
My stepdad you know what I'msaying.
I don't know where he at, butnow it's like I got to help her,
wash her back and shit likethat.
This shit deep.

(26:26):
So when you going to school,I'm going to worry about school.
I'm going to jump out and tryto help my situation.
That's when I started doingother shit that got me locked up
.
Then I got locked up.
She passed away while I waslocked up in two days.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
Was you able to grieve in jail?
No, no, no.

Speaker 5 (26:46):
I didn't even get to do that, though the judge.
Let me come to her genaza.
My aunt put a note in like yolet her.
It's like she knew what wasgoing on.
She put it through already.
Yeah, she kind of knew.
Having dementia, she used toforget stuff.
I used to have to go to thestore.
I'm like I can't go to thestore.
I got to make sure my mom good,she forget things.
So then I said fuck West PhillyHigh.

(27:08):
I'm like fuck that shit.
They already sent me to VisionQuest for some other shit.
And then she passed away.
So I came home.
I wasn't doing music still whenshe passed away.
They let me go to 100 Naza.
I went to that joint.
I came back.
I came home.
After that I had to live withmy aunt up the street and my

(27:33):
aunt was like yo you come downto Georgia.
And that's when you left andwent down south.
That's when I left and wentdown south like 15, 16.
So now I'm like I only know FL.
So now I'm making beats downthere oh, I might just jump into
the music shit, because I can'tfocus in school.
I'm all the way in Harry Countylike down.
You know what I mean.
And so the duration was likethree years.
How?

Speaker 4 (27:53):
was school down.

Speaker 5 (27:54):
So I went on a run because my judge master wall let
me go down there so you was ona run down there no, I had to go
to school.
The judge let me go down there,all right.
So she like, if you go downthere, you go to school, you're
gonna live with your aunt downgeorgia and do what you gotta do
.
How was school down there?
I was, I was gone, but Icouldn't focus.
I was grieving down there there.
Yeah, feel me.

(28:15):
So I'm like I wanted to domusic because I started meeting
my homie across the street thatlived.
He had a studio in his crib.
I used to be like no Right,that's where I'm supposed to be.
Like I'm about to just start.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
So how'd the studio?
Was it like a nice job?
I started doing music.
Was it a nice joint?
No, no, it was a crib joint.

Speaker 5 (28:33):
He didn't know what to do with it.
He just like man, come herewhatever you want.
So my aunt thinking I'm goingto school.
I've been in his crib the wholetime on the computer trying to
record by myself.
But that was the duration.
So, my aunt like damn, youain't going to school or none of
that.
She sent my ass back up toPhilly and I got locked up for

(28:57):
being on the run dang and thenthat's when.
That's what I'm like I'll beturning this all the way out.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
No, it ain't good.
Yeah, that's when that came up.
I came back, yeah, yeah, so, so, so, yeah, that's crazy white
boy.
That's super.

Speaker 5 (29:06):
The duration right there before that that was a
breakdown of the whole.
So it was like I went throughall that just for me to come do
that.
Nine months, graduate, comehome and in three months I had
the biggest record out in thebitty bro, yeah, feel me.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
So how that felt like having Lucas, Because when that
came out that was just a hitthe ground running and it was
the biggest record in that cityat one point in time.

Speaker 5 (29:32):
I had Lucas, I had Demon nigga, I had who Got Bad,
I got bad.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
I had some other shit too.
I had Blood.
We ain't never really like Itold my homies they kept
dropping.

Speaker 5 (29:45):
Damn, I missed some other parts too, though.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
What in the midst of the door racing?

Speaker 5 (29:50):
Yeah, because when I was locked up, one of my mom die
, I met this nigga in VisionQuest that had a studio and he
used to and he hit me up when Iwas living in Georgia.
Like yo, I got a studio.
Do you know how to engineer?
So when he got dropped off, Istarted working at his studio
recording myself in Philly.
Okay, damn, I forgot about thatshit, damn.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Damn that's.
That's so like that's that's so.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
it's like every angle kept coming yeah.

Speaker 5 (30:14):
Everything came along like.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Oh, I explain what I hear is work.
I think I'm saying yeah, I justalways work, trying to get
somewhere, work and work andwork and just trying to get to a
land.
I mean I like that and then,and then you come back and then
you land Lucas.
That being the biggest recordof the city is like wow and you
a kid at the time how that feltbeing able to be outside, be

(30:38):
recognized and known all overfor this record.

Speaker 5 (30:42):
That shit felt regular, bro, because I was
already known.
I wasn't even worried aboutthat, I was more so like damn
dog.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
It had to be a little different, though you got
record labels, execs, I canfathom it though, bro.

Speaker 5 (31:01):
I can't really put it .
I can't fathom it because it'slike I know, wildo, I was around
you.
You seen it, he was around, hewas rockstar.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
I was so like this.

Speaker 5 (31:11):
He was Rockstar Gone.
I'm so moving.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Rockstar.

Speaker 5 (31:13):
If you sit there and Rob Markman he was a rock star,
rob.
Markman, a rock star.
If you sit there and this foranybody out there if you sit
there and try to dissect everyblessing or every way that God
is trying to curate stuff inyour life, it's going to fuck
you up.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, rob Markman, you got tobe in the moment.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm not telling you to go dodrugs and try to shy away from

(31:35):
it, but be present, whereasthough you can look up like damn
, I ain't even peep.
That shit just happened.
It's already written it's thecolor of my body, because
sometimes it be like that youknow what I'm saying, right?
So I can't even give you thatwhole rundown, because I was
just so in the moment, right,being the best I could be at
that moment I could understandthat.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
I could understand that, with you being so young,
you know what I'm saying yeah,bro, I was 19.
Yeah, dang, he was that youngyeah, 19, 20 like that man that
was, that was a big record.
That record ultimately land youyour record deal.
So, like, with you having thatrecord, did you think that?

(32:14):
With you having that record?
Did you think that, with youhaving that?

Speaker 5 (32:18):
record that it would do that?
Yeah, you did I ain't know itwas going to do that, but I knew
like I remember telling KingMoney like yo, bro, this shit a
banger.
I look at him like he pulled upon me, like yo, listen to this
beat, I got this beat.
I got this beat Cause I wasjust running around like doing a
little you know what I'm sayingselling my little uh-uh off, my
digi, like all that other shit.

(32:39):
I used to just write and justwrite for bro, bro comes, kidnap
we going to the yo then youtrippin'.
So when he pulled up, he like Igot this beat.
He found Lucas beat on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Long live K.

Speaker 5 (32:53):
Money man.
Long live Kendrick man.
Long live K Money.
Long live my nigga, ronnieBlaze man.
I appreciate you, brody.
He pulled up and was like nigga, I got this beat.
He played it.
I was like ugh, I startedlocking.
Then on that I wrote to thatjoint.
That same night Went to thestudio.
I knew that joint was going tobe a cooker.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
So when you did that, you made the dance up right
then and there or you arbitrated.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
Nah, it was already in the video.
It wasn't intentionally to do adance.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
A dance to go with it .

Speaker 5 (33:25):
It ain't like TikTok, where it's like yo, I got to
make a dance to go viral.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
It wasn't no TikTok.

Speaker 5 (33:30):
It wasn't TikTok.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
No, you made all of that.

Speaker 5 (33:32):
In the moment.
Yeah, me and my homie just onsomething doing us.
Yeah, Fly, niggas swaggy.
You know what I mean.
Yeah yeah, yeah, doing ourlittle shit, enjoying y'allself
young niggas having it.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
And that's the great part about it.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Organic.
Is that?

Speaker 4 (33:48):
you didn't even know what y'all was doing, y'all just
was organically having realnatural fun, and that's what hip
hop about.
You know what I'm sayingOrganically dancing, rapping
what you feel and speaking fromthe heart.
You know what I'm saying,Talking about the culture,
what's going on, and it's socrazy that y'all didn't even

(34:09):
know.
Y'all was that's what y'all wasdoing.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
I don't care how much money you put behind something
you never going to beat doing.
I don't care how much money youput behind something you never
going to beat authenticity, Idon't care.
I don't care how much moneyyou're getting.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
I think they call it flow.
Yeah, I think they call it whenyou in a flow state, you're not
trying Right.
So I think that's what theycall that like flow, like when
you in flow, you just go Mack,you're not trying, you're being,
you're being the person, you'renot like I'm trying to be like
this, you're just doing itflowing Right right, right,

(34:41):
that's how a lot of shit.
That's why in hip hop niggait's called flow.
That's it.
This crash Rico.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
Yeah, hey, bitch, give him a mic, give him back
the mic, man.

Speaker 5 (34:55):
Nah, bro, definitely got to sit down.
Why you mad at me for what?
Because you dropped thatmonster and I wanted you to hold
on.
Hold on for what.
You know how long they beenholding on.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
I just wanted you to get the right setup.

Speaker 5 (35:10):
Yeah, all right, bro, I appreciate that.
See, this is the car.
When a nigga wants you to do it, yeah, you've been through a
situation.
You ain't gotta tell me to holdon and do right.
Yeah, right, like, come on, Imean I got.
They say the best teacher isyour own experience yeah, no
question, that's where we comefrom.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Trial and error that's what we talk about right
here.
Yeah, that's crazy so yeah,what you uh, with that record
blowing up and being that recordand also like, because I I
believe, like that whole recordand like we were just saying,
would you not even like beinglike yo, this is a big record,
that I'm like, I'm putting adance to the record with

(35:54):
everything just being authentic,and then like people coming out
after you with that sameformula, right?

Speaker 5 (36:00):
you see what I'm saying, though, yeah so it's
like you.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
You ushered in the lane, and it went so well that
after it it becomes a formulafor many others yeah for plenty
others it still is to this day.
That's the blueprint theblueprint's the blueprint.

Speaker 5 (36:21):
I remember Mac said that Mac used to say he said on
an interview, like man Rico, myfavorite artist, when people
would just throw out kind of rap, the derf silver surf that was
dope that was really dope sick,I ain't really.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
That was dope that was really dope, yeah, sick.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
That is bop.
Yeah yeah Word.
I ain't really take it as.
As I got older I started seeing, like damn, that kind of was my
whole point, because my homieswas rapping before me.
I used to try and record them,letting them know, like yo, we
got to do some different shit.
Nigga, I was living down inGeorgia, they on a different
wave, we behind the eight ballfor real.
This one Young Thug had I'm astoner, I'm a stoner.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
I'm a stoner.
Yo, these niggas having fun.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
And I'm like I come back to the city.
I'm like y'all niggasoverthinking song.
My first song I dropped and allthat I apologize.
What'd you say?

Speaker 3 (37:16):
I apologize.
For what?
For making them overthink.

Speaker 5 (37:20):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Oh man.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
That was great.
That was a great one.
You did, I'm kidding real.
When I was rapping though in mytime like a rapper, which was
not that long ago, you know whatI mean State property was the
blueprint you know what I'msaying for the city.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
You know what I mean.
Yeah, no, that's what I wasjust saying.
So before Rico and them, macand them was the blueprint, then
after them, they was theblueprint for the DVD niggas.
So when the DVD niggas familyfade out.
Now we had the surges of theRico Havocs, the Simpsons, it

(38:05):
was the only it was Rico thatmade that whole wave, the Durf.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
If this boy ain't do what he was doing, it wouldn't
have been that wave in the cityman.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
That's pretty much what we getting to.
How long from when you putLucas out to Mont Brown and
Quincy came along?

Speaker 5 (38:23):
Niggas came along right after I think I had like
200,000.
Because I started gettingemails.
I had emails from Young Money.
I had emails from I'm like damn, I ain't got no manager.
Yeah, so I'm with my homie,Like damn, your cousin be around
me.
Like he managed me.
Like fuck it, you need two, Allright.
All right, Bob Brown, I don'tcare, let's just do it.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah, I remember this .

Speaker 5 (38:45):
I'm on some young nigga shit bro, I'm out here
like, really like.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
So what you doing that?
Because, how I saw it, I knowMont Brown coming up being a
rapper, a nigga that alwaysdressed well.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Shout out to Mont Brown, that's my guy Shout out
to the guys.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
That's my guy and then like, when he come along
with you, that's when I startseeing him playing the A&R and
the executive role.
Yeah, yeah, you know what Imean.
To see where he had today islike because they was learning
at that time.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
No, we all was learning.
It was like it was.
It was a conversation that meand.

Speaker 5 (39:24):
Bro had, like you know, like we in this shit, like
this all was a learning foreverybody.
Like we can.
And then Quizz had Yack Yola,yeah, so Quizz had Yack Y can.
And then quiz had yak yola,yeah, so quiz had yak yola.
And then, uh, my has somesantana.
They got the a?
R through columbia that's howthey, so yeah I feel like

(39:44):
everybody got, they just do like.
I even got mine, so like Idon't really trip on too much of
that.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Like but that's what I'm saying like look how, look,
look how big the record was.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
That is it created a wave.
It created a wave andopportunities for everybody
around you, not just you yeah.
Facts.
That's dope Normally.
Sometimes records don't get todo that.
It's almost abnormal for arecord to pop like that regional
and then a Mont Brown, comealong a Quizzy.
Come along a Rico Havoc, comealong, you get Mont Brown.

(40:17):
You get some Santana, you getYakiola.
So it's like the culture ofPhiladelphia you got to
understand like all from onerecord.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (40:26):
No feature.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
That's heavy, and you ultimately come around and then
get your deal.

Speaker 5 (40:31):
So how that felt.
That shit felt good.
I ain't gonna lie, I kinda waslike my mindset wasn't even
really too worried about thatshit.
That shit happened likeeverything I thought I've been
thinking about so fast that I'mlike yo, this shit really
possible, it really happened.

(40:51):
So it was like I don't know,bro, because I had so much other
shit I was dealing with.
I don't want to go into depthwith that, but sometimes you can
miss little moments andsometimes you're not meant to be
there and be like and look backand just see what you did Like
damn.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:09):
I don't know.
I can't explain it.
Bro, I know where you're comingfrom.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
You just explained it .
Yeah, I can't explain it, bro.
I know where you're coming from.
You just explained it.

Speaker 5 (41:14):
Yeah, I know where you're coming from you really
did oh shit, I just explained it.
I understood exactly what hesaid, I know exactly where
you're coming from.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
So you know, like it's just man we be in these
times, we live in the times.
Sometimes we be dealing withthings, we cope with things and
some things that we deal with weuse certain.
What you say, matt Leisure, ourleisure pleasures, our leisure
pleasures.
You know, what I'm saying Leadus to a blur sometimes.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (41:43):
I'm saying and we just be on the go.

Speaker 5 (41:45):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
It just be like we from Philly so before anything
that happened good to us.
Can you imagine how many thingsbad we had to deal with and
cope with to get to that onegood thing?
Yeah, you know what I'm saying,how about?

Speaker 3 (42:06):
through all the bad Right, like when you look back
on it and to see where you wasat going through it, and then
when you get a clear mind andlike, damn, I was right there.
Right, mm, right, like I wasthere.
But sometimes, you know, stuffhappen when it's supposed to
happen.

Speaker 5 (42:24):
Yeah, that's what I believe.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Yeah, I believe that Things happen when it's supposed
to happen.

Speaker 5 (42:29):
I feel like everybody .
Yo listen, like I said to youearlier, all that trying to
figure it out and dissect itfucked you up because you were
who you were supposed to be forthat moment and you lined that
up for that.
Why are you trying to go backand trying to figure out what
the law decreed and all that?
Why are you doing too much?
Because you can't go back anddo that.

(42:51):
You did what you were supposedto do at that moment.
I don't know what the fuck I'msupposed to tell you.
I wasn't sitting down and saidI'm going to hit this.
They're going to answer myphone call at this time.
I'm going to walk to thiscorner store, I'm going to meet
this person.
Can't figure that shit out.
It doesn't matter.
So when a nigga come up anddoing what I did, it's like damn
, all right, because I might bedoubting myself at one point.

(43:13):
Then I got my little.
Then I got my little.
Then I got my bro that wasright there next to me.
Like bro, I got this shit.
I'm like, and like uh-uh.
He like uh-uh.
I'm like damn, you just gave memy little juice back.
You done filled my cup back up.
Seeing what I did to influenceyou.
Yeah, you feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
Uh-huh, I knew you'd get that out of Skrilla.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (43:34):
That'd be different, real.
It'd be like that, though, bro,because he like when I and bro
give me his flowers oneverything Like.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
Let me ask you something, though.
Like when you was at yourhighest moment, you ever get a
little taste of survival'sremorse Like damn, some of the
people I want here ain't righthere with me of course, man.

Speaker 5 (43:53):
I think that's right, that's a real, that's some real
, though like no for real.
I think it's it's way more thansurvival's remorse, man,
because survival remorse.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
What you do it for is just one side of the coin.

Speaker 5 (44:09):
And then you got.
When you start giving toeverybody and just giving away
your energy it's deeper thansurvival With Morris it's like I
feel like I don't even deservethis shit.
So when you start getting thatmindset nah, bro, that was crazy
you be like oh, this shitdeeper than survival, morris, be
like you gotta start tappingback in with Q.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
I need to go home to grandma.

Speaker 5 (44:32):
This really bad, because, nah, you would really
start getting yo when God willbless you with that shit.
You start giving everythingaway.
You start like that's adeep-end survival remorse.
That's like some shit that'sinternally that shit that you
ain't feel as a young boy.
So you think giving all thatshit going to fulfill you
because you feel like you don'teven deserve that shit.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Right, boy that's what you was supposed to do.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
Yeah, exactly.
That's how you cut, bro, whenyou a giver, it's like that.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
That's how you cut.
When you a giver Right, don'tfeel bad for doing that?

Speaker 4 (45:07):
Yeah, give it.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
No, I ain't never gonna feel bad.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
That's who you is, bro.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
I ain't gonna feel bad at none of that I don't feel
bad.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
At least you don't give yourself away yeah, no, no,
no, no, no.

Speaker 5 (45:19):
A lot of people get a whole spirit yeah, no, I didn't
think I had that.
I'm never gonna have thatproblem.
No, but when I say give away,what I'm saying like give away
as far as energy wise, it'd belike yo, I'm hanging around
these, so they got me sittingright here, but I feel like I
owe these niggas something.
That's what I'm supposed to do,but now who the fuck gonna fill
my cup back up?

(45:40):
Nobody.
Now I'm sitting back gettinghigh with you, fat.
Look at that shoe like damn.
I had all this opportunity, butI feel like I owed you
something.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Self preservation.

Speaker 5 (45:51):
You know what I'm trying to say?
Because it's deeper than that,not everything about, and that's
deeper than survival's remorse.
No, because survival's remorseFor a fact, for a fact.
Survival's remorse is like Ialready made it, it's like nigga
, I'm all the way up here andI'm looking down like I'm

(46:11):
looking down like I feel bad butI yeah, that's what niggas want
though.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Niggas want to know, but it'slike everybody can't go.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
But that's what you got to put yourself in that
position.
Like I know me, speaking fromexperience, like everybody can't
go bro.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
They just can't, and that's why I said
self-preservation.
That's the first law you got totake care of yourself first
Sure.
Then go back and be like allright, I'm here, but then that's
, you know wherever your ceilingis at Wherever?
You're ceiling at.

(46:52):
If you hit your ceiling, thenyou can figure out.
All right I can go back andit's like that's like building a
house you start from thebasement, you can't start from
the roof.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Right, you know what?

Speaker 3 (47:07):
I mean.
You can't build, you can'tstart from the roof.
You gotta get the foundationright.
You got to In the basement,then you know the first floor,
second floor, then you put theroof on Dang.
You know what I mean, but wegonna make it.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
We gonna make it yeah , we gonna make it Nah word.
So give me, when you going intothe process of recording and
starting.

Speaker 5 (47:34):
I already did One Way Out Atlantic which kinda like I
was out LA Started, was a wholeLA bit like All started.
You know was out there.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
You know what I like about Rico, though Like about
you always.
It's never over for you, Never.
You know how some people missthey shot.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Yeah, yeah, no, philly Aseya too.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
It's never over for you.
I said that about an hour ago.
I said you can keep coming out.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Why you feel like that though.
Because I.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
For one, the talent.
You created a lane.
A lot of people jumped in it,but you still got a lane that
people can't get in.
Like you can open up multiplelanes.
A lot of people like this iswhat they do.

(48:33):
They got that one thing thatthey doing, that they good at.
Like you can do that, you cando this, you can give them that
Totally man you can give themthis I uh.
Like, all like.
All avenues, all avenues,appreciate that bro you a hip
hop baby man.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
I am For a fact, I am , I am, I'm definitely a hip hop
.

Speaker 5 (48:53):
Baby.
My mom's listening to Beans andshit and I'll come yo.
What man?
Yeah Like ah, ah, ah, I comefrom that.
You know what I'm saying and Iwas just telling them.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
I feel like I'm just like the bridge, but you see
that, though, what you just said, everybody looked at us.
They probably as the blueprinthe come up off of it.
It's embedded in him, but hestill did his own thing.

Speaker 5 (49:21):
Right.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Right.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
With that anything Because?

Speaker 3 (49:23):
talent is talent.
Yeah, that's why they neverover for him.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
And another thing.
Another thing, though, see,that's why I said I like Rico,
because he came up with our eraand then he had that 9-2-3 era.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
You know what.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
I'm saying With the dollar boy he had all the bands.
And that, right there, crammedtogether, makes what's going on
right now, right now.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
That's a fact Right now.
No, that's a big fact First,yeah.
And he a fact Right now.
No, that's a big fact First,yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
And he a part of it, major part of it.

Speaker 5 (49:55):
First, and then we got the turnt up and I'm just
speaking for myself, because letme give myself my flowers too.
I'm speaking for this shit.
When we was coming out withLucas, drill wasn't a thing in
Philly.
And I don't never claim my musicto be drill.
When it came to that Durfeeshit, we was the flock.

(50:17):
Nobody was doing it.
You know what I'm saying.
As far as the burrow, oh theseniggas guttery, they on this
drill, ah ah ah.
All this that opened up a lanefor that too, though, you get
this, you been.
Yeah, that opened up a lane forthat too, though.
Yeah, you get what I'm saying.
Yeah, Dang Like and I remembermaking you say my rap was real

(50:38):
I'm like I ain't no fuckingdrill rapper.
Yeah, like, yeah, that shit cool, but I'm not no drill rapper
though.
Right, right, right.
I'm Durfee like I.
I do my shit fly Like.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (50:51):
Rico, slave Tell them the difference between drill
and derf.

Speaker 5 (50:55):
I mean derf means do you regardless forever as far as
like the drill shit.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
it just means like we about to turn this shit on and
go tiptoe through your shit.
You know what?

Speaker 5 (51:03):
I'm saying I don't make music, I ain't really like.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Yeah, we ain't on that.
I ain't what I do it for.

Speaker 5 (51:10):
I come from you know what I'm saying around shit and
my uncles is doing life and myhomies killed 11 niggas from my
second video I dropped died.
I come from genazes and all that.
You think I'm making music tomake you niggas want to do shit.
No, I'm making music to escapewhat I'm going through and to
touch people.
You feel what I'm saying?
I don't do it for that.

(51:31):
I feel like I got a deeperpurpose.
I'm not saying you can't do itfor your situation, but it ain't
me.
Don't label Rico under that.
Rico, have it why?
Because you cause destruction.
No, nigga.
I always kept in mind what youtold me in the studio.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
I always kept in mind what you told me in the studio.
Like you said, music can makeyou do so many things like and
you broke it down from dancingto gonna go drill, to go and go
hit your wife, whatever like,and it hits you in different
parts of your body.
You was breaking it down to methat day.

(52:06):
I really don't remember, butshe was like that's the way you
gotta make music, bro bro.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
You got to make music .

Speaker 5 (52:12):
Y'all make people to feel something.
Yeah, because we come from soul, so you got to make it that
come from the heart.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
What music you came on, Beans?
That's what he was telling me.

Speaker 5 (52:20):
Beans, what music did you listen to?

Speaker 1 (52:22):
He was playing in different parts of his body,
like in the crib.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
In the crib was playing.
What was you coming up off of?
So you call my crib.
You want to.
Teddy p, teddy pentegral,you're going to have michael
jackson, patty labelle, the oj'saretha franklin, yeah, and you
got mac rapping.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
Now you got mech, but he touch your soul though.
Yes, he do yeah, yeah he stilltouch your soul, though.
Yes, he do.
Yeah, he still touch your soul.
Like you feel what I'm saying.
He ain't trying to recreate thewill.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
He ain't just like Teddy P, so I get it I get what
you saying yeah, if I was asinger I'd probably be like
Teddy P he was a G.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Turn him off.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
Turn him off.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
I'm hard on the G.
He was a G.
You hear me Uh-huh, yeah, turnthem off, bitch.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
It's the Real of the Most podcast.
Make sure y'all share, like,subscribe, comment.
If you don't, you amotherfucking hater.
Why?
Because it's free, it's free.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
There's haters out there, though.
Anyway, there's a bunch of them, man.
There's a bunch of them, man.
It's a bunch of haters.
Man, they eat oodles of noodles.
It be going to they brain andshit.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
Yeah, they got like two outfits in the house and
shit Walking around.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
They got like three pair of pants for all four
seasons.
Man, that shit crazy, becauseI'm there.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
Fuck it, let's just get down.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Can we do fast track with y'allreal quick?
What is that?
Sit down, we need y'all for twomore minutes.
White Boy kick fast track off.
All right fast track.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
It's a game we play on here.
It ain't nothing too crazy.
I say two things and you pickout of one or the other.
So, because we from Philly.
I always like to start withthis, jonah, because Mac, right
here, is just making more betterright here, making more better.
Crazy, let's go being stateproperty of major figures the

(54:18):
prop all day.
Thanks, let's get it, you guys.
State property, major figures?
Oh, stay prop, all right.
Uh, keisha cole or monicakeisha cool.
Oh, monica lord baby.
Or lord dirt, lord dirt.
Oh my god, monica Lil Baby.
Or Lil Durk, lil Durk.
Oh my God, damn.
Go ahead, bro Young.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Thug or Future, oh Future.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Damn.
You want me to say both YoungThug or Future.
Young Thug or Future Whateveryou say bro, future, damn Slime,
usher.
Or Chris Brown, breezy, chrisBrown, wow, dipset, dipset.
Or G-Unit, g-unit, nah.

Speaker 5 (54:58):
Dipset, dipset, dipset.
Nah but I feel like G-Unit hadmore impact on my childhood.
Dipset, dipset, nah, did wetalk about 50?

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Who in G-Un G Influenced?
Dipset, dipset, all right.

Speaker 5 (55:12):
Nah because.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
I only know, 50.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
50 might be your influence.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
then you know what I'm saying how about O Skrilla
OT Sub Iquani?

Speaker 1 (55:24):
Skrilla.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Kora or Tor.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Who.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Kora or Tor Tor, tor Damn Damn, kor Damn.

Speaker 4 (55:32):
Damn man, oh Damn.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Brain freeze Hold on.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
That was hard.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
KOR or TOR.
That's hard for me.
Yeah, that's a hard one, that'shard for me, that's hard for me
.

Speaker 5 (55:53):
I love saying.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Like to me.
I got a personal joint with KORbecause when KOR it was at a
time where I was at and when Ifirst started like tapping into
KOR, kor made me want to rapagain when I was done.
Done, damn, that's hot.

Speaker 5 (56:15):
Damn why we ain't doing niggas from other cities,
though.
Why y'all got us doing niggasfrom other cities when I was
done done.
I did, I did, we do othercities.

Speaker 4 (56:21):
We said Slom and Future.
We did I'ma do yours Damn.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
That's hard because.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
TOR.

Speaker 5 (56:28):
He said tour, but why y'all got us going to other
cities.
It don't matter, we doing ourpart.

Speaker 4 (56:33):
Come on, bro, wait, because what it do is it shine a
light on our people, all rightback, back, back, regardless.
Regardless.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Who y'all pick.
You know what I'm saying.
Come on, all right.
Who else?

Speaker 4 (56:44):
Come on, man, we got to say K Smith's name one time.
What you got for him.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Alright, hold on, let me do this one.
You can't do it now.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
NH.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Joey Jahad.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
NH.

Speaker 5 (56:59):
I go with Hattie I go with NH.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
That was good.
Do one gotta go real quick.
We're producers, what's?

Speaker 2 (57:09):
up Producers, othello Swaggiano, who Othellogy on, oh

(57:33):
, swaggy on, say that swaggyeven fully it four people and
one guy all right.
So let's go, let's go, andwhatever they attach to go to
gucci man, yo goddy lord wayne.
Gucci man, yo goddy lord wayne,lord wayne.
Cheesy and cheesy one gotta go,damn let's go damn you looking
in the summer.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
You don't answer that thing, rico.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
I'ma keep it a.
I'ma keep it a B.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
You waiting for back to answer?

Speaker 3 (57:57):
No, he came before me .
No, I, I know who I'ma saygotta go.

Speaker 5 (58:02):
I know who I'ma say gotta go.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
I'ma say Yo Gotti.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
Young Jeezy, gucci man and Lil Wayne.
I'ma say, whoever they sign,whoever they with Everything,
whoever they with everything, goGotti got to go man.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
Hell, no what Yo Gotti got to go.

Speaker 5 (58:19):
Oh, you said, Yo Gotti.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Yo Gotti got to go.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
Gucci man got too much, gucci got too much.

Speaker 5 (58:27):
Hey, my 217 reposted my music.
I can't say he got it God.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
I love you, God, but it's everything I can't say.
That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
God he made.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
Millionaire too, Jeezy's standing tall on his own
yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
He ain't make no millionaires, let me get y'all
one.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Let's go.
How about?

Speaker 5 (58:48):
that let's go.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
We got one last one, though, k Glizzy.

Speaker 5 (58:51):
Lord Howard, j Lonnie and Big Bitch's Hero.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
J Lonnie got to go.

Speaker 5 (58:58):
Who got to go J Lonnie.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
J Lonnie got to go.
She from Delaware anyway, jLonnie Damn.

Speaker 5 (59:03):
Shout out to her though it's good.
All right, I know who's goingto get her up Quill Rich, dollaz
Juice outside.
And what's the boy that was onin boxing?
John who, yo, chubbs, chubbs,fatboy.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Chubbs.
He gotta go.
Who gotta go, chubbs?

Speaker 4 (59:24):
Chubbs.
And how fucked with.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Chubbs.
I know he gotta go, chubbsgotta go.
Chubbs gotta go.
Why he gotta?

Speaker 4 (59:30):
go.
Because the rest of them, youknow the niggas you name, I know
you gotta go.
All right, let's do the onelast.
One man, that's the big, allright.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Oh, I got level.

Speaker 5 (59:39):
All right go ahead, come on.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
Come on.

Speaker 5 (59:41):
I like this, rico Havoc, uh-huh.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Sim.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Santana.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
D4M.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Sloan Too Rare One gotta go, too Rare gotta go.
Shout out to Rare, though Shoutout to all our people.
Let's close this out with thebig labels, do all the big
labels, bro Jay Z.
Cash Money Puff Daddy, who elseDr Dre?

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
One gotta go.
Damn God damn how the fuck you,no, rico, no.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Aaron, you can't leave from that one man, you
can't leave.

Speaker 5 (01:00:20):
Damn that one.
You gotta answer.
You can't leave, you want me tosay that again.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
So that's Jay-Z, P, Diddy, Dr Dre and Birdman.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
And now you gotta think about everybody they
signed.
You can't just get rid of themlike that.
You gotta think about all thepeople they signed, the people
they worked with the recordsthey got.
That's unfair.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
You gotta think about it, and when you cut them off
you cutting off Mack, if you cutoff Ho.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
That ain't never happened while I'm in this room.
That can never happen.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
I go crazy if they try to.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
So, Rick, what we doing, Rico.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Ho ain't going nowhere.

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
So is everybody who's in tech with these people got
to go?

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Who Jay-Z I used to be quick to say Dr Dre, but I be
Dr Dre.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
I watched the.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Defiant.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
Ones twice and Wayne Wayne Drake, nicky.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
What y'all?

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
talking about, y'all talking about this.
Listen clearly why y'all askingme this.

Speaker 5 (01:01:21):
Whoever under these people gotta go, all right.
So you saying Dr Dre, tupac, drDre 50 Cent.
Dr Dre.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
I Cent Dr Dre.
I would lean probably towardsthem two.
I would lean towards Dre andthem two.
I would lean towards Snoop Dogg.

Speaker 5 (01:01:40):
The reason why I'm Wait, sir, the reason why I'm
leaning out of that, john,because I don't know Damn you
could do without the West Coast.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
I just don't, I don't go without that.
Damn, I don't go without that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
You could do without the West Coast.
I just don't.
I just never do that.
Too short in all of them, right?
Yeah, no, too short, ain't gotnothing to do with Drake.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Damn too short, it would be Snoop.
It would be Snoop though.

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
Pop.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
It would be Pop to dr dre 50 m and m.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
I mean I'm picking dre me personally I would rate
made a whole album, even eventhough money, cash, hoes and
that impact us.
Yeah right, you know, dre madesome of them holes.

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
At least nikki had meek dre made them and like that
.
You know that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
You know I can't even answer that one, because you
know dre made them hoes beats.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
That's hard right back here Because, you know, dre
made them hoes beats.
That's hard Right back he madethe watcher the watcher.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
That's hard right.
He made a couple hoes beats DrDre.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Y'all know too much.

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
Hoes wrote for.
Hoes wrote for.
He wrote for.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
I know all that 2001.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
That's when he got them beats from you I got one, I
got one.

Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
Come on, lil Uzi, uh-huh.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
Cardi, you keep getting up, sit down.
I got Lil Uzi.
We going to close out.

Speaker 5 (01:02:55):
Playboy Cardi.
Uh-huh, what's his name?
Yeet.
All right and.

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
Ice Spice.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Ice Spice got it, ice got it, come on.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
You was better off.
All right, now I got one foryou and I'm putting Ice Spice in
there.
Glow, sexy Ice Spice.
Give me one more white boy Mad.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
No, Mad got gone.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
No, no, no no, no, no , I'm talking about all new Cash
Doll.

Speaker 5 (01:03:24):
Cash Doll got ruined, damn.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
And I'm gone All right, that's it man.

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
This the Real of the Most podcast man, shout out to
all y'all already Shout out toeverybody.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
We said your name, man.
It's a shout out, don't take itpersonally.
That means y'all working, yeah,and it's a shout out.
That means y'all somebody.
It's a shout out, I mean youdid.

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
We love y'all man the hottest single out right now in
the city oh man, oh man Rico,heavy White Dubs, play it, play
it, play it, man we not leavinguntil it come on.
Hold on Y'all dragging, youknow what I'm saying Connected
to the joint.
It's on.

Speaker 5 (01:04:01):
I'm about to play it right now.

Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
White on white Dubs you listen when I first heard it
.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
I'm like yo.
I had to track Rico down.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Mm-hmm, I'm excited I made you play a jam.
That's one of them ones.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
We listening all night too.
That's one of them ones.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
Let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
Yo, this shit's so sexy.

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
I know I ain't done, but I've got a bird Thinking
about the times.
You ain't on my word Every timeyou see it, I don't really hurt
.
I'm out of here Making mothertimes.
You ain't on my work Every timeyou see it, I don't really hurt
.
I'm an authentic.
I'm staying alert.
I'm not going to go into yourface.
I've been singing about my babyBrother.
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