I AM STATE PROPERTY...3 I FEAT. OSCHINO VASQUEZ I RTM PODCAST SZN 2 I EP 11

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Speaker 3 (00:37):
We'll see you next time.
Rilla the Moose Podcast of theworld cash I'm white boy d2a
white boy.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
My name is skino vast quest.
Yeah, what's up y'all?
Yeah, what's up we like oh,first of all, we in philly, we
have fully right now, yeah yeah,we're here.

Speaker 5 (00:50):
So, oh, my goodness, y'all from south philly, I'm
from south philly, he's fromtown

Speaker 2 (00:55):
where you from I'm from germantown, east germantown
so south philly, north philly,what's all?
That's all in the same room,right?
And nobody's killing each other, nobody's arguing with the body
, it's nothing, it's all love,right?
I mean that's how philly shouldbe.
I mean if, because imagine ifeverybody from philly with all
the talent working together tobe over.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
It'd be crazy that's what we're on that's what we'd
be pushing over here, thoughthey're really the most and good
things going on tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, that's how that's how I've been my whole,
my whole.
If you look at all my old cds,I always make sure I had
somebody that wasn't signed onthere.
Oh, every, every joint, and Ishould go get them to do it.
I I mean so like module, myfirst seat, I got twister on
there.
I got that's going platinum onthis.
I could have just been doingthat.
I said, no, I gotta get theseyoung things on.
They hot, just need to hearthem.
You know what I mean, yeahperiod and I never said I want
to be a manager, or none of that.
I don't want any, yeah, so likethat was the thing was, though,

(01:36):
y'all need to be heard yo man,I mean this crazy man we going
to do it the right way, we got alegend.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
And I'm going to keep it a B.
I got so much respect for thisdude.
I'm going to let somebody whowas actually in the era because
I don't want to miss things, I'mgoing to let white boy run it
down Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Hold on, I don't know you.
White boy, White boy the whiteboy.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
Okay, white boy, okay , he's still kind of like 26.
Oh yeah, so you know, here onrelative most podcast it's just
like we got the legend today.
We got the legend on here thatthat has uh, illustrious career

(02:32):
and and spin.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I'm talking about from dvds to uh lps to eps, to
mixtapes, movies.
You know what I mean.
He also an entrepreneur and 97.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Don't forget that, because that's what started.
You can't forget 97.

Speaker 6 (02:43):
that's what started it.
You can't forget, hot, I'm 97.
That's what started it.
Cops running through the boothFucking my boots up.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
And then I think, and then, not to cut you off, I
think that Oski was the first,because we got people shout out,
jack Frost and people like that.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Shout out Jack Frost, the tag yeah me all of them.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
But the way it's just like Phones.
Phones on silent, please themechanic to the barber to the
painting to the.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
You know what it is.
Artists.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
That's just all a part of your status, yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
I'm going to tell you the truth, though, bro.
I don't think I was evensupposed to be a rapper.
If I had a family and regularshit, I wouldn't have been a
rapper.
I was terrified to be rapping.
I didn't want to rap in frontof people.
I was just up and I just had to.
I had to find a way to make mygosh.

Speaker 5 (03:29):
I was shot up, I had a way to live at.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
I mean I just found a way to make money.
Yeah, I gotta find something Ican stick with and don't quit.
And I just picked that and Ijust took that.
Keep going, man, okay period.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
So so we got the movies we got the pan we got the
barber.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
We got the entrepreneurship.
We got the swag.

Speaker 5 (03:46):
We can't forget the swag can't forget that.

Speaker 6 (03:49):
You can't forget the swag.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
You can't forget that because, oh, I ain't gonna
front like.
That's why I'm saying like,because um like one of my best
friends is.
Is is your folks.
Little brother, you used todrop boxer team team rock shit
off.
We used to go through that shit.
I want this shirt, I want theseshorts, like.
You know what I'm saying, bro,you Best of old.
Part two Boxers of fuckingMixed tapes.

(04:12):
We used to run through thatshit.
Have them in our delts.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
You know, tim used to always have a grand marquise,
so that shit used to be Knockingthrough his shit, kn used to be
like yo, bro, that's the bestshit I had like a thousand young
boys bro 55th and Thompson.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
Bro, that was the best spot bro white boy never
ran, nobody down like this.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
That was the best spot bro white boy used to be
the khaki.
I'm that nigga joint.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
He was like yo he used to do that bro, I'm trying
to tell you, bro, you sad you.
This is why I love coupes, yeahyou know, I like coupes
two-seaters.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, you know, I love coupes yeah, you don't like
coupes.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Two-seaters yeah, you don't like coupes, bro,
two-seaters, because you pull upon Thompson Street, you got the
coupe.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
You got to get it out , though, the Oskenovans.
All right, all right, theOskenovans.

Speaker 6 (04:50):
Oskenovans.

Speaker 5 (04:55):
Random applause man Random applause.

Speaker 6 (04:57):
We showed you that no-transcript Two-seater 10 SI

(05:29):
man.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
You see O coming through chains, hitting the lid.
A rocker wear rubber.
I'm talking about bro butters.
Oh, what's that?
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Computer shit wasn't out though.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
That computer shit wasn't out.
Wasn't out.
Yo Nah, listen, when I broughtmy rims, see, rims used to cost
a lot back in the day, back then, yeah, yeah, but to get them
painted nobody, you ain't seennobody having no painted rim.
But then to have it on what itcost 80 bands and rims cost like
20 bands you kill, can't nobodynot doing nothing to it.

(06:03):
I mean, and everywhere you go,you get in love because you give
it to everybody.
Everything you got, whetherit's gang, whether you put them
on something.
I mean that's how.
That's how you know you'respecial.
You're special for people.
You can't go to your head.
You got a 10 guards and thesecurity you can't go to.
You're not special, right?
You're not doing something,right?
You shouldn't be worried aboutnobody robbing you.
Because you rich, you don yougotta rob.
I mean, of course you won't,because my thing is this when

(06:25):
people know you really got lovefor them, people know you're
faking it or not.
When you really try, niggascall you and go get up.
I got something for you to do.
They have a different respectbecause you don't got to do it.
Most niggas don't do it Right.
But my thing is this when youdo good in the, I was good.
I'm going to tell you a story.
I'm in Dallas prison, right?
A nigga keep looking at me,right?
I'm like this nigga, keep onlooking at me every time, get

(06:46):
the grizzly.
You know what I mean I'm like.
So one day, we in the dentistoffice early in the morning,
just me and him.
I'm like, yo, bro, how yougoing to keep of it?

(07:10):
I said that's what you want totell me, bro.
I'm thinking of some bro.
I'm thinking of some bro.
I mean, I was like, I wasthinking about it.
You got a big ass bear, a bighusky boy.
I'm like, like, for real, likeyeah, yeah, man, I never forget
that I wanted to tell you, but Iwant to tell you for that
reason, yo, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Look, before we continue, make sure y'all share,
like, subscribe, comment,Comment.
You don't?
You're a?

Speaker 1 (07:31):
motherfucking hater.
Because it's free, let's getinto this.
You know, man, all right.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Skino Vezquez.
You already know how we startedoff most podcasts.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
We do our due diligence up here and, like
today, we got old skin though.
So it's like I.
We know you yesterday, tomorrow, tomorrow, that's my god team.
Now he's crazy, bro.
I used to watch state propertydvd bro, the, the, the deleted
scenes.
Sun don't shine video.
Let me ask you a question, doy'all?

Speaker 2 (08:00):
think state property.
Started the dvd, made the dvdever I think, I think I think
dvd.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
As in what?

Speaker 2 (08:05):
but, people start wonder rap people start, not
about the Dvds, it was it was?
I think it was almost, but I'msimple, like it's like when we
did, I'm gonna be seven.
After the shit, the seat, firsta property junkie.
My everybody Start rapping likeway more about this, about this
big day.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
Oh no, I'm so sure.
Up here we do our due diligenceand today we got old Skeeno,
you know what I'm saying sowe're going to do this the right
way Before you do your duediligence.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Man, let's go how y'all feeling, though?

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Oh yeah, Y'all know how y'all feel.
We big on mental health up here.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Fucked up, but I'm just going to go out there.
Oh wait, wait, wait, wait, ohoh.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Oh, oh, oh oh.

Speaker 6 (08:44):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh oh.

Speaker 6 (08:45):
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh oh .

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Oh, oh.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Oh, Before we get into anything, man, because you
never know what people are goingthrough, we ask everybody how
they feeling.
So how you feeling, white boy?

Speaker 4 (09:07):
So come on, man, we got O up here today.
Yeah, I know how your boyfeeling.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
You ain't even got to go to me.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
I feel good man, I feel super good, bro, we got O
up here.
There's some legendary shit weready to do and I'm just ready
to go.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
How you feel Cole.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
I feel excited, man Excited.
Yeah, I'm excited because Ialready know what we headed to
do right now.
I know our lineup right now.
Yo, we do this for y'all.
So like subscribe man, share.
Like comment, subscribe.
I'm doing what y'all doing.
Don't be a hater.
Hit that fucking button.
How much money do you get paidfor pie?

(09:46):
I don't get no fucking money.
How?

Speaker 2 (09:48):
much.
You get Not yet.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Not yet how much you get.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Not yet.
Y'all will.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Y'all will we do this for?

Speaker 2 (09:52):
y'all.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
We ain't tripping though we definitely ain't
tripping, but we love it.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
We love it.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
We love it.
This shit is for them, for sure.
Yeah, it's for y'all, though,for sure.
All right, let's go how?

Speaker 1 (10:04):
you feeling hoe.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
I feel, cool today.
Cool.
Yeah, I feel cool today.
I feel happy to be here, I meanin Philly.
I like supporting the youngguys from Philly anyway, right,
anywhere, really, if you'reblack because you got a heart,
you know what I mean.
Y'all gotta be outside, y'allyoung.
I mean it's dangerous out hereand people, everybody look at
all the others, the same whoyoung, y'all young than me, all

(10:27):
of us.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
He banged me his arm.
That's not to me.
They old.
My daughter older than you.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Don't take that away from us.
You know what's crazy, thoughI'm a young boy cause we're the
old.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yeah, I was watching him as a young boy.
He was born in 2000.
He was born like 2011 orsomething.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Stop playing with me.
You born in 2000?
97.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
When you rap for DMX in the hotel.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
He was what I was being born.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
He was being born when Jadakiss was your man.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
I ain't afraid, though, bro, I'm jealous.
I'm not young.
That's why I get young was ahard time.
Sometimes, I just be jealous.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
Yeah, yo, he that's why I get young was a hard time
for some of

Speaker 2 (11:15):
these be jealous.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
But I want to get a shortcut to the youngins.
No for sure you know, what Imean, especially the ones that
want it.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Plus young boys.
They must have got to come fromsomebody that they know been
through the shit that they goingthrough.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
That At least a blueprint bro.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
We gotta at least Lay the landscape down.
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Do diligence.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Alright, this wasn't available when I was young.
A podcast, it wasn't even asuch thing, right Alright, so
you know.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
Where you from, bro.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
I was born in North Philly man, right in front of
Lehigh.
Right there in the Front ofLehigh.
Yeah, we should call it Epcalled Episcopal.
Episcopal.
It's called Temple now.
Okay, it used to be calledEpiscopal.
Y'all wasn't born yet, theny'all.
But this is how this was goingdown.
Then I went straight to 11thStreet, 11th and Monieson.

Speaker 6 (12:08):
Okay, and I was there .

Speaker 2 (12:09):
You know that's where I first started my life at Back
then there ain't no functioning.
You dirty, you stealingeverything, you don't fuck with
your kids that type of shit.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
So this the crack era .

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, full blown Niggas with the big ass ropes
the caddy that shit was like.
Really I paid them for it.
We looking at this like thedead in real life.
Dice games, bro.
Dice games niggas betting$100,000 on the corner.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Money everywhere you don.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
I mean but what's 80s like in late 80s, 87, 88.
I mean, I was born.
Yeah, mr 80s, yeah, I gotwatching.
Oh, I'd be a message like that.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
You know, coming up in a Beirut area, a very, very
tough area, crack era notable.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
I'm saying super notable area in.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
Philadelphia, notable , I'm saying super notable area
in Philadelphia.
I'm saying, and I'm in a spacewhere is nothing but anyone,
since that maybe been in yourhouse or maybe outside the house
?

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Nobody in the house.
Nobody in the house.
I know Oster People just in theneighborhood.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
He's not in the house .
People in the neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
It was like every year.
It was a guy you would see.
You might never talk to him.
Yeah, same though it was a guynamed Gary.
I used to look up to he, evenno, I told him one day in 2006 I
wanted to talk to him like bros, look up to you, bro, like
heavy, like I mean, yeah, he'sgot the leather.
Raider's question was like 800for the sweatsuit.
Y'all know formula, adidas,yeah, I mean.
So I said, bro, that's my stuff, I got the you now.
I could do that, do it myselfnow.

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But I mean, as a kid, whoever'saround your neighborhood,
that's who you look up to.
This.
I mean, ain't no internet.
I mean, you don't know what'sgoing on nowhere else.
You just know what's going onwhere you're even rappers.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Wasn't that cool yet.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
Yeah, so that's why I be saying that, because you
gotta remember the times.
In them times because even whenI was coming up, mac made rap
cool for us Before Mac.
That shit was corny bro.
We was looking at them, otherniggas yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
You talking about some.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
Philly.

Speaker 5 (14:18):
Yes, oh God.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yes, no, I'm talking about Philly period.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
It could have been Philly, but I was where I was at
, like rap was, it was like thedrug dealers was what.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, we didn't really have yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Fresh Prince.

Speaker 6 (14:30):
Fresh Prince ain't like.
You know what I'm saying, right?
I mean, it's like people wantedto be the you know what I mean
yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Who was the highest in the hood.
Plus, you're not even thinkingabout the future like that.
Yeah, these days people aremore sophisticated.
They worry about back then.
Man, you're living for the day,right?

Speaker 4 (14:55):
So you know, coming up well, looking at the drug
dealers outside and admiringthem and seeing them coming up
wanting to do the things thatthey're doing, to get the things
that they had.
So give me music and when musicstart coming in, and give me
your first musical influence.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
See, I used to write Scarface raps, scarface.
I would go basketball, stillScarface T, and write his songs,
scarface, yeah, scarface.
I'd listen to it and I'd writethe way he said it, just write
it down.
But that's before I even rapped, right, but this was before I
even rapped, back when I was ayoung boy.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
I liked the Scarface and Coogee rap.
So Scarface and Coogee rap areyour first influences coming
into music and shit like that.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, but the song I liked the most was my part of
town, from these people calledTough Crew from North Philly.
They had a song on the radio.
They used to come on the radio.
They was from Philly, toughCrew, yeah, and they but
Scarface and Coogee Rapp.
Coogee Rapp is so even rightnow he's just so nasty, like
it's just yeah.
I mean so like that's thepeople stuff I was listening to,

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but I still didn't think I wasgoing to rap though.

Speaker 5 (15:53):
Right.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
I mean, I started first writing my raps.
I was up Vision Quest.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Please call 92, 94.
Vision quest.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
So you know coogee, rat and um and scarface as some
of your earlier influences andmusic.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Then biggie and biggie come along biggie, biggie
, but he's my biggest influence,biggie come along, you still
biggie, your biggest influence.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
Y'all just heard it biggie still not even thinking
you gonna rap or be into rap atthe time these are just
influence of your life.
So at that time, give me likewhat's going on in your life at
that time, Like well, I mean, Iwas just trying to survive bro
yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Well, I was a vision quest, robbing the market.
I robbed the market up, uhshowed the German.
Tell him, is that no?

Speaker 6 (16:37):
Wayne.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Wayne.

Speaker 5 (16:38):
Avenue.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Let me say no, no, no , no.
I mean, this was real life.
I was a kid.
I was on the run from St Gables.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
You was hungry.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
I was on some money.
See, you just said somethingright there Like you was on a
run from somewhere, like I wantto get into before you even got
there, All right.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
So basically, this is what Cora's saying.
Start from the beginning.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
He wants you to tell the story about, you know,
building your character.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
I mean, I just want to tell you something I'm going
to tell you something about all.
If you got kids, you'll knowthis.
If you got more than one kid,kids born with something in them
already, right Before theylearn anything.
You got two kids in the samehouse, they going to be all the
way different.
So some kids, just I mean so,say somebody, you know somebody
in the hood tell you, go lightthe cigarette on the stove.

(17:22):
And we in the same house, it'sjust, we got you know some stuff
, some stuff you're born with.
I always know how to draw, butI learned how to draw.
Now I was gonna just draw apicture.
I thought why can't everybodydo this shit?
You know what I mean, right?

Speaker 1 (17:31):
So some stuff so some character is in All right.
So this probably gonna answereverything you want him to say.
You feel me, you know, oh, whenthey come to interviews, he's
lit right now it ain't nobodybefore him, none of it when it
come to a certain error, but youknow how.

(17:52):
You basically said yeah, my popwas 20 years older than my mom
and my grandmommy.
No, no, I'm saying I'm sayingthat that give us that era.
You said no, no, I'm saying I'msaying that because he's
hitting it.
Yeah, he said that his, his popwas 20 years older than his mom
.
Yeah, right, something happened.
He had to move with hisgrandmom and his grandmom never

(18:14):
liked him.
Because he reminded, becausethat's what he like that's what
he went.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
But you know what's crazy about that shit?
Though I never knew that, Inever knew, I've seen like me,
no, that's what I'm saying heand.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
But you know what's crazy about that shit, though?
I never knew that.
I never knew why she ain't likeme.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
No, that's what I'm saying.
I mean, I never know.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
And it's good that, Because you just said it for
real.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah, no, he know now , but you know what's crazy he
ain't know back then.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
When I got out of jail this last time, I started
asking my mom should.
I look like you're there.
Yeah, just like me.
But I never see my grandma, mydad, even see each other before.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
So I even know, they even know each other, you look
like his day, so his grandma.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
He was living with his grandma.
She got a, he got a hook ondrugs and she like get me.
So Didn't, didn't, didn't Icome like me.
But she never told me that.
I know why.
The fuck know why the shecalled the foster home to come
get me.
They come there to get me, mybrother right there.
He's like, no, don't take him,just take him.
I mean, I'm like it's yourfirst time going, like the first
one's on me, and she told himto put me in there.
She's my.
She had a four bedroom houseand she laid by herself my

(19:18):
brother sleeping in bed with her.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
What was the place they they took?
I ran from there.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
I used to be like man , fuck that, I'm out.
I ran away because myneighborhood loved me, so I go
to my neighborhood.
If I can get back to myneighborhood, I'm cool.
I can find I'm going to havesomewhere to stay or somewhere
I'm cool.
So I ran away the first time.
It took me like two days tofind my neighborhood.
I was nine.
I found my neighborhood and, thecrazy part, when I got to I
didn't even know she would havedied.
I wouldn't even know that day.

(19:42):
No, like a couple days beforethat she was in there.
My grandma told me this fromthe third window your father
stabbed my daughter.
That's what she said to me.
I didn't see my dad.
I don't even know the nigga.
It'd be like that we on sidesand stuff.
Can I come in there and see her?
She let me in there to seemonth.

(20:02):
She don't even know where I'vebeen.
She ain't ask me shit about me.
She's like, yeah, well, yourfather stabbed me, whatever it
was basically like a type ofjoint where they in love and
he's jealous.
I guess she's jumping in andout of cars, whatever she's
doing.
He's mad, some crackhead shit.
I don't know whatever's goingon, but the conversation part

(20:24):
about it I tell people all thetime it ain't bothered me as
much as it should, because italways was like that.
It's different if you got itgood, then the shit turn bad.
You're like, oh, what the fuck?
It was bad like that from therip.
So when I left Because I lookback on it now tattooed on me he
died now, but that's like mydad.

(20:45):
He was 16 and he's like my dad,though like anything worse come
, I'm gonna go to a shock crib.
His mom gonna say I can't comeout.
He's gonna say man, you comingthe in.
I mean so.
I was like that was my lastresort, but I used to bring
people house, go to sleep, likethis lady named slump.
She ended time she come downcussing me out to the point she
just start coming down thereputting the cover on me like man

(21:09):
.
You mean so my neighbor alwaysmy neighbor loved me, so they
was proud of me.
When I start becoming somebodyI mean, and you talking about 11
, 1200 yeah, yeah all right.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
So you, you, man, we could keep going all right.
So, um, I just want you to tellthe people, even when, when
they come to like a lot ofinternet things or like blogs
and stuff, like when they talkabout oscino vasquez, they say
west philly.
So I want you to talk about howthe whole north, the west thing

(21:38):
happened, because you knowwhat's up exactly what happened.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Bro.
This is a crazy story, right?
So one night my life was like amovie, and sometimes only
reason I would tell thesestories is because I got people
that could back up and tell youexactly what happened.
I mean, there's no lies, it's100% real.
So I was watching this movie.
I don't got no money, I'm a kid, I'm probably about 12.
And these mob boys broke into apawn shop.
I said I want to do that fullywork, right?

(22:02):
So it was like 3 in the morning.
I go to Gemertel on the Avenue,like a sneaker store behind a
sneaker store, and tried it witha sledgehammer, with a blanket,
and that shit started.
A whole little hole came.
I had a pen light.
I'm looking in there.
Oh shit, I see sneaks.
I kept doing that shit.
Right, some girl named NikkiDonna, she it.

(22:25):
So mine about listen by myself,though, about myself.
How old is you?
Like 12, right?
So boom, so listen.
So I guess I saw a grass head,for I grabbed five pair of
sneaks, right, boom, take themto my grandma basement, wait for
the cops come in, come, oh, goback in there again.
But I cleaned the whole storeout.
It was like legendary, right?
It's called fd's footwear.
They went out of businesslisten to call it this back when
the purple, black and white airmax came out at least footwear
you cl.
You cleaned them out though.
Cleaned them out.
Listen, all this shit out,right?
So I was in there for like fivehours, right?

(22:46):
Boom.
So I'm selling sneaks in thehood, right?
Five hours of cleaning out iscrazy.
So I get my brother 10 pair ofsneaks and 12.
The picture I got on theappetizer I'm going to go, yeah,
I'm going to lace myself.
So, listen.
So I give my brother 10 pairsof sneaks.
So he got that game.
Listen, my mom boyfriend stolethe sneaks from me.

(23:09):
Mind you, I'm saying boys inthe hood, it's in the movies.
I'm ethical to the movies, see,boys in the hood.
I come back.
My brother tried to set thenigga on fire in the room and
the whole house on my God bro,the fire truck.
So by the fire truck out there,right, my mom come up all dirty
, like yo, give me $20.
I'm like what man Give me?

(23:29):
No, tell the cops yo, he robbedme.
She know I robbed the store.
She know I was buried.
I'm like he robbed me.
He, the one, broke in the store.
Tell the cops.
Back then, three bands was likehaving 150,000 to me, you know
what I mean.
Like bro, I was devastated, broyou 12.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
This shit sound like a fucking John Singleton movie,
bro, they took me to JJC,juvenile Justice Center.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
So when I got out of there they had to give my mom a
house in West Philly because thehouse had burnt down.
My brother was doing that shitwith about the sneakers.
How long you was in there.
Then I came out.
She was living in West Philly,so I just you know what I mean
Coming around in here.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
That's where you was, that's where you posted up.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah, posted up a little, it means.
But it was like it was sodifferent out there I had to get
used to it, right?

Speaker 1 (24:20):
You know what I mean, and the high rises and that was
.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
That was the west philly had way more murders back
than than north philly.
It was like west philly waslike they was slaying.
But as a young person you're sonaive you don't even think
nothing happened to you.
You think everybody else I mean, it's just you, you, you.
You be in the middle of somedavid, you don't even.
That's why I said god protectbabies and fools, because I know
I was a fool, bro, yeah it waslike you know but I remember one
time I got robbed in theChinese store, bro, new Year's

(24:42):
Eve.
I got $10.
I had a one-piece dickie onBefore I got signed, or any of
that.
Right, the boss come in theChinese store to rob it, right?
You know how small that shit is.
I had shrimp and broccoli.
I threw my $10 back there, bro,I need it to get my food.
Right Boy hit me with the gun.
He's going to zip my shirt.
Woo hoo, listen, no, no, no, no, tomo, listen.

(25:05):
But listen to the funny partthough.
They zip my drawer.
I got boxes on them.
My one piece of dick, onedrawer.
Like I ain't got nothing, bro,look my shit bleeding.
Right, so the boys robeverybody and leave.
Right, they leave.
No, you got to pay, you got toEverybody's.
Just like oh, oh, let me seewhy you did that shit.

(25:25):
Yeah, I'll get my motherfuckerfooled.
I get back to my man crib likeoh man, these niggas just robbed
me, tried to rob me, bro, butthey ain't get shit bro.
But that's the life of the hood.
I was walking in that samecorner like two years prior to
that, I think it took my newbalance.
I was sick, it was raining, itmade me walk so slow in the rain

(25:46):
because I was just devastated.
So the hood, the hood, the hood.
I had you.
It could make you or break you.
Rob Markman.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Jr man, this is not getting any you talking about.
I just threw the tape, RobMarkman Jr.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
You know how they got the bulletproof glass and the
little yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
that's just crazy all right, he's like I'm getting my
food I know my co-host and Iknow they got a lot of questions
, so let's, let's go all right.
So you said boom, west philly.
And, and I know, um, I reallywanted to know at the point
where, like, where the like real, real stuff start happening,
like, like, like, the like, likeyou, you having to go to the,

(26:26):
the like the order, like yougetting shot, I was like I was
locked up like from first home.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
I was straight to juvenile policeman.
I got certified as an adultwhen I was 16.
I mean so I was more than anyplace.
I was in jail.
I mean more than more than westphilly or north philly.
I was in jail more than allthat shit.
So like that's.
But so when in jail you werewith everybody from everywhere.
That's why I got niggas fromeverywhere.
I remember I first wentupgraded for the first time.
You know E Block, 800 people onE Block, 800 people.
That shit is big.

(26:52):
Oh, oh, a thousand peoplecalled me.
The guard said who is you?
I said nobody man.
I mean because I was locked upwith so many niggas from some
offices, from foster homes tojuvenile placements, to the
certified.
My man, hassan me.
He just came home.
Shout out to hassan.
He did 28 years, he fell 15, heturned 43.
Now he just got out, he had ababy and I told him name of
freedom.
He named the freedom.

(27:12):
So shout out the freedom too.
But you mean so I knew I knewthese dudes personally, sellies
and like that.
I mean so.
So I always looked at likejudges.
Make you network better.
You mean now I can go down 30%task and no niggas.
Yeah, I mean I can go down andcertainly no niggas that you
would never would have knew ever.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
So jail the army.
All that was before the deal.
Yeah, man.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
That is Shot before the deal.
I got shot two years before thedeal.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
That's why I the.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
I like how you threw that in there but, like what
made you even sign up for that.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Listen, bro, I was a house correction fighting five
robberies.
They were trying to give me 30to 60.
I got a public defender.
My sister worked there, right,she's not a guard, she's like
above the guard.
She's like Like a white shirt,she's regular clothes.
She's like with the warden ohshit, she's regular clothes.
She's like with the warden,type shit oh shit.
So she come to get me like yougoing to take the deal.
I'm like I can't take no dealfor no 30.
None of that shit.
I'm 16.

(28:10):
So I kept going to court beatingthese Jones, beating these
Jones.
I'm a thug.
So one Jones.
I like that something.
I did it, bro.
I did.
I'm about to get cooked forthis joint.
I mean, I know, I know in myheart, even to this day, I think
I did it.
But they said I was locked upwhen this shit happened.
So they said I think he waslocked up.

(28:31):
I got in a fight in the movie69th street movies with some boy
, got booked that day.
They said he could.
So the black judge was so madhe's like I'm about to get this
boy 10 years for this shit.
So the white boy, I should lockyou up, get out my courtroom.
And he threw another case I hadout, just on a strength, I mean
.
So I had one case left and I'mlike, damn, I'm telling my man,
zach holmes, shout out, rest inpeace.
That comes my celly.
I said, man, I might go home inlike five years now.
I got one case left.

(28:51):
I get fires.
I'm cool my brain.
I was already doing 15.
This is back in grade four.
You wear regular clothes, bro.
Not only that, we had classeson how not to get raped back
then on juvenile block.
Yeah, you had to go to class onhow not to get raped.
I'm like, oh, shit's like that,we gotta work it out something.
It means you're like, so, likeI go to my last case, I beat it
bro.
I beat this shit bro.
So now, now, so now now, now I'm17, I'm 17, I'm always been up

(29:13):
and I don't know what I'm gonnado, because I was planning on
getting out.
I mean like, so I'm like I can'tdo no more robberies, that shit
is dead.
Like I mean so I just like wentto the army.
They was like you can't come,you're only 17.
You got to wait till you're 18.
So I told him I said, listen,man, I need money now.
I mean, wait, you only got afew months.
I'm hustling on 51st Market,get booked.
You mean, call it.
So I'm in the police station,55th and Pine.
I call the captain.

(29:40):
I'm like she's like, oh my god.
She said, so, let me see what Ican do.
Right, I go back to the cell.
Mind you, if I didn't call her,mind you know how.
The agent you want to make aphone call.
I?
I wasn't gonna say no, I wasembarrassed, but like, fuck, I'm
gonna walk out this.
I'm gonna call her.
Fuck it, call her.
And she said, let me see what Ican do.
30 minutes later they called myname.
I'm like fuck, they calling mefor it.
The army man picked me up, tookme to a hotel till I turned 18,

(30:01):
give me $60 a day, and the casewent away.
What case went away, bro, yeah,mom, in a hotel, like for three
months.
I'm like nigga, what the fuck?
A black car I'm eating so like.
Why I went to Fort McKellar,alabama, was my uh, I was gonna
sign up forever, bro, I'm gonnaend up bitch.
They gave me guns and food.
You know.
I said I'm good, nigga, fuckyou talking about bro.

(30:21):
Bro, right up, bro, I had to donone of this shit.
Bro, I'm gonna'm going to becool.
I was like man Yo, he wasalready on the jaw, Bro.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
I've been on the jaw all my life, bro.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
This is how you taste your beef Yo first time.
Yo lobster tail I said what thefuck is this?
I've never seen this before.
I've seen crab legs and shit.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Bro, I've never seen none of this shit Like this I
ain't gonna lie bro, bro, listen, I ain't gonna lie bro, I'm
gonna tell you, bro.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
I said yo, I never seen lobster tail before.
Man, I'm like what's that?
What the fuck is that Boy?
That's lobster tail.
I'm like where you get that?
It's like a buffet you slidethrough, you trade, you get
whatever you want.
It's all type of shit, bro.
I kept saying the army back.
I'm like man, this shit poppingto me, they paying me every
month.
I mean so?
I signed up for nine years.
That's as long as I could at 18.

(31:06):
I was going to stay in thereforever, bro.
They give me grenades.
I got guns and shit.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
Yo you know I got past grenades.
I would have given him somegrenades.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
They got past grenades to go to the past boot
camp.
I was like this shit, then Icome home and get shot.
I said then I couldn't go back.
He go home and get shot.
Go home and get shot, bro, assoon as I came home.
That's crazy, because it wasn'tmeant for me to be doing it.
It wasn't meant for me to do it, dude, like on the home, like
on the pass, type of thing.
Yeah, so what happens?
When you finish basic training?

Speaker 1 (31:37):
you come home for like 10 days, then you go to
your deployment Like my firstday home.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
I had like five more days before I was going to leave
man you signed up for nineyears.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
We would have never heard of those.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
But you know what's crazy though I wrote raps every
day in there.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
That's how I used to express myself.
I wasn't saying to nobody, Iwas just writing my raps how I'm
feeling.
I was writing it as a rap.

Speaker 4 (31:56):
So you come home from the army, get popped.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Then get locked up, then get locked up.
So I'm like asking God, like yo, bro, what's up with you?
Bro, you know what I mean,because it's kind of the same
thing happening.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
All right, this is crazy.
So, like I told you, I was like, so you went in jail in a
wheelchair.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah, in a wheelchair , yeah, so, but before that,
like you know, my life was likesomething good happened and
something terrible happened.
Yeah, something good happenedto me, so I'm going to be here.
I ain't doing no crime, somestability, yeah, but it wasn't
meant to be.
But the same thing with my dad.
When my dad came and got me, hetook me to Texas.

(32:30):
I'm living good.
He's making me breakfast everymorning, my school popping.
I got all these friends.
They're all white though, butwe bob, we got to listen to the
lights.
They're all white, they're all.
My dad was like I don't knowhow you're going to adjust it
because we're in Arlington,texas.
He said I don't know how you'regoing to adjust man, just try
to adjust man.
I don't need to adjust.
I got to pop it In the morning.
Listen In the morning time.

(32:55):
I'm going to school.
Ten niggas knocking on the doorWell, they white.
Oh, come on, we're going toschool.
I loved, I gotta go back to thebullshit.
But mind you, now when I'm backto North Philly, it was like
the dirtiest shit to me.
It's like different.
I could believe it.
Not only that, it was November.
I had on shorts.
When I got off the Greyhoundbus Freezing, I said what the
fuck?

Speaker 1 (33:13):
I said oh, my God Text is it don't get gold.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
I said, bro, I'm about to, I don't give a fuck,
I'm gonna do whatever.
I'm gonna start doing whatever.
After that, I like fuck it.
I feel like it's like you tryto do good, then the shit
happens.
I'll just control it.
That you can't.
You know what I mean, but whatit is, what it is, I know now is

(33:46):
you getting pushed a certainway?

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah, I mean you think it was over a dice game,
but it was more to it.
Somebody said something thatyou ain't had nothing to do with
it.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
My problem was still short, like I got shot.
I lost hope.
Yeah, I lost hope.
I ain't gonna front Like.
I was scared to kill myself,though, but I ain't gonna front
like it.
I'm scared to kill myself,though, but I care if somebody
killed me though you know melike that, I was like that I am
a it's like you flag man.
And then you know what?
Because I would attack boy likethis, I'm not messing with no
girl if I got no money.
I ain't got no shit.
Like, I don't even want to gottime to be doing none of that
shit I mean so like, I mean youmight have some shit like man,

(34:23):
it's no need.
I don't even know what I'mliving for, to be honest with
you.
But then you got to find sometype of hope.
I had a daughter.
She was born right when I gotshot, rob Markman Jr.
Okay, you mean, she's 27 now.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
She's in Japan right now, actually Rob.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Markman Jr.
Yeah, that's fine motivation.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
My first motivation that was like that song right
there is like part of our life,right there.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
What song?

Speaker 3 (34:50):
That song.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Two of the movie go up there.
Come on.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
I told you it was in the deleted scenes on state
property.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
The DVD I think we probably played that more than
the movie.
They ain't show that on aregular joint.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
If you go to the deleted scenes you get to see
the titties and the ass and allthat.
I was on some shit back then weshot that movie.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
We shot that movie.
It's like three years for it tocome out.
So we telling people I toldthem I did a movie.
They're like man, what the hell.
One day I know that she was ina Right on this box.
They was smoking in the movie.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Bro, I went to go see it in the movies.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
I went to the movies to see it.
So I'm in the movies.
My job's still not used tobeing nobody knowing me because
they don't internet shit out.
So we come out the movie,everybody looking at me.
I'm like what the fuck boy?
They keep staring at me Like oh, nigga, you in the fucking
movie.
Nigga Like nigga.
You stay Like fuck it.
You look like.
So you had to get used to allthat shit.
You don't know if a niggalooking at you for what for you.

(35:44):
So it was like a whole thing toget used to when you from the
slums for real.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Bro, you want me to tell you how young I am.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
What Because?

Speaker 1 (35:52):
you was born in 97.
You on big.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
You was born in 98.
No 2000 same thing yeah, no,that's how young I am right.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Everybody in my generation called you d nice I
was cool with it.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
You know, I feel like 2012.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
You know, you know why that I'm cool with that I
swear to god, I used to be likeyo, that's d nice.
My brother, he used to be likewhat the it's yeah, bro, bro,
listen the mistakes.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
They call me that, that way.
That way you know somebody fromthe movies they would call you.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
D-Law, when you get that cool, calm collective, all
that they ain't made that.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
I mean that's in the script.
I didn't want to be bleakbecause I see you got killed.
I'm like I don't want to beblizz.
I'm trying to get part two so Ican get this checked.
So first I wanted to be blizzso I kept though you might,
billy Williams who collectedthat shit was perfect for you.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
Yeah, we did.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
That should be first.
They probably won.
Album even came out.
We've been there, shot it me,was fresh boy.
We handle acting another eventry to freestyle yeah.
I'm shot in Jersey right, giveus a permit, so are so alright.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
So look alright.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
I always know why you shooting in the city.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
Philly One Letters.
Philly One Letters.
You come from the Army, you getshot.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Yeah, you get shot, I want to.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
You go to jail he in a wheelchair in jail After that.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
After that I got out of jail, I started rapping.
I had a studio in Perkside inWest Philly.
I lived.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
The became the start of association.
I was hustling some drugs forhim already, so okay he ain't
even know I rap.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Then one day, like I heard you be rapping, I'm like
maji been knowing me, I'm likein the city hustlers, like you
know.
I said, yeah, I'm right.
I gave him something like damn,why you want to go to the
studio.
I said, yeah, I mean, but Igotta sell these drugs for think
of it.
So I started, I started going.
Actually I can go to any time Iwant.
I started just living in there.
I'm there all day.
But then the computer, you know, I got the studio.
That wasn't out.
Then it came out right, you seethe vocals and all that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I had to find somebody toknow how I worked that shit.
My man colossus, came to mywork.
That's just a week just beingthat, just getting busy what

(37:50):
year is this?

Speaker 4 (37:51):
nine seven, it's like nine eight, nine, eight, yeah,
okay, so look all right.
Nine eight.
You come out of jail, you startrapping, but, but, but and but.
While you was in the army, you,you write it and write and
write in form of therapy.
You come out y'all form ichwhen?
How do you meet sparks?

Speaker 2 (38:07):
he's hustling for the same, I was hustling before
okay I mean trapping, like Imean, and it's like I mean y'all
sound like, y'all sound goodtogether.
You mean, so we just start.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
You mean his unorthodox flow like, like, how
you knew his talent was dead no.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
So you know, when you're young, you think you're
better than everybody.
Yeah, but that's how you got tofeel the mickey, though,
because nobody's going to tellyou, bro, young Froggy, if you
wait for somebody else to tellyou, you'll be a waiting ass.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
You know how hard it is to get the unorthodox flow to
be cool.
Yeah, effortlessly.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
But sometimes like, sometimes like why are you not
rhyming, bro?
Effortlessly, yeah, but buthe's not he's not.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
He knew how to get his point across, bro.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
That hot 97 shit him on there and every time he write
a song I'm on like let's nothear it for a while.
But oh, I, now I'll get it.
Yeah, I'll get it later.
Yeah, I mean.
So.
So I'll say probably one cd isall.
I mean his parts, you might sayclassic you know we had that
song before you.
I don't know original one, butthat's I'm gonna original
original one, but I'm on theoriginal original one.
Yeah, we did that togetherbefore we was even signed.

(39:06):
Yeah, I'm on a remix of it withBeenzino, but that's our song
from the rip.
But anyway, that was a lot ofpractice.
I got to be in the real studioall the time, all the time.
I took it so serious, see meanit ain't like I can go home and
eat in the refrigerator and getup.
No, you got to give me somemoney.
Nigga.
Mean time is mean nigga.
You ain't got no bread.

(39:27):
I mean you got to get somemoney right now.
So I was always taking shitserious.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
So look.
So when you in the studio ICHgoing on Boom, now when is the
point where you moved to Yonkers?

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Bro, I, I was coming to the studio and I had two
homies named Go-Braw and Spadenot the Spade from Major Figures
, another Spade.
They had a manager, so they wasbacking out the studio.
I'm like where y'all niggasgoing?
They're going to New York.
The boy, hip Dog, was like yo,I kissed her and shit, he liked
it.
I'm like the real kiss.
Did you like the kiss?
Yeah, he man, just get in.

(40:00):
Man, I got you.
I ain't come back for like ninemonths.
Then the crazy part about itright, I'm out there, yonkers,
I'm talking about Yonkers, youknow that's where DMX from.
You see Mary J Blige, you seethe Kiss she was supposed to
sign some niggas from.
Philly.
The niggas was Ray Roberts withMary J Blige.
Okay, so I mean they shoot themovie.

(40:26):
I can't be in that joint, notknowing I'm about to shoot my
own joint, but I'm just.
But it was no animosity, it wastight, it was like competition,
right.
I mean.
So, like I was going to theRough Riders morning, I went

(40:47):
there.
Everyone if I show you picturesof that bro, I got pictures
with everybody back in kiss.
When you like he's 10, rightthen kiss.
Mom lived like right where Ilived at, so I just go knock on
his door, bro.
Bro, I was in the mix.
Like you think it's like yo,this thing got over from you
guys now like look so.
So then this was going to the.
Yes, this is 98 though yeahkiss that yo.
Oh, I'm walking down the street,I'm with these poppies, I'm

(41:08):
with these puerto rican niggas.
They had like a cookout orsomething, some.
I'm just eating with them.
Like you know them, like kids,pull up like, oh oh, come here,
man, get in the car, you can'tbe out here.
I'm like what I remember it'scalled elm street, like what
you're doing on elm street, I'mlike.
I'm like what's wrong with ElmStreet?
You can't even be out there, bro, my mom's like I ain't got shit
to take, so he's like man youtell me something.
He's like this thing goes onElm Street.
They're like you can't be downthere.

(41:28):
Oh, I'm like wow, to this day Idon't know why, but I'm like so
all the time seen my daughterin a while I'm going to go to
the Greek.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Greek was crazy y'all .
For the young kids that don'tknow that's watching the Will it
or Mo Show.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
I've been South Street hitting the lid.
I'm talking about 40,000 people, bro.
That's what they missing out on, shit like that.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
That shit was crazy.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
It is even before throwback jerseys.
They used to be falling off theback of pickup trucks.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
It was Philly version of the Philly yeah facts.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
So we get to Philly.
I've been in New York ninemonths.
We get to Philly.
Everybody that rapped for Kissbattled me.
So I'm battling these niggas.
Two niggas walk up like yo, whoyou?
We know Jay-Z.
He looking for Michael Jackson.
I'm like man, whatever man, Iknow he's looking for people.
I said, all right, I'm going togo to my number or whatever
they called the next day.
Like yo, you ready to go upthere?

(42:27):
I'm like for real.
So I told my niggas I said, incase you don't just like me,
y'all want to go with me?
He was looking for you.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Who was?

Speaker 4 (42:39):
them niggas.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
I always wanted to know that too.
Shout out to them, guys.
All I wanted to know was DeaconRoller bro.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
You know what's crazy though, bro.
If I see Jay-Z, I'm going toget to know him.
Period, Because I've beenpracticing for two years
straight, not no days off.
If I see him, it's over, Iain't going to see him.
I like to work like that.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
I ain't got no luck like that Jay-.
Bad.
He is deacon roller they justheard me rapping.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
They just heard me rapping in the lobby in the
hotel looking for.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
I'm gonna hit you tomorrow, whatever man shout out
to them, man, man.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
I said I just ain't believing, bro, that's like.
So they came.
Then we go on the way to newyork.
I still like, I'm likesomething gonna go wrong.
There's no power, there's nopossible way.
It's not.
Yeah, but in case it do, yeah,I'm on.
I mean I'm ready to go.
So we get up to the joint.
It's so crazy.
I almost didn't get in becauseI didn't have no ID.
You need an ID to get in thejoint in the building.
I'm like ID.
Oh my, some of my homies arebrung with me.
You can't get in, I can't getin.
I said, oh my God, this is adisaster.
I brung these niggas in.

(43:39):
Some black I did a stick nation.
He just gave me one shot.
Shout to the security.
I don't know what your name is.
That Bro, you saved my life.
Whole walking in gets I canstarstruck.
I mean I'm hungry.
They got one.
This nigga face like this closebro.
I'm not letting it go nowherebro, because he walking they
suffer things.
They got five, five minutes,man.

(44:01):
Everybody hold on five minutes.
Damn, it's like that, like twoniggas.
That's what he told you.
He said everybody hold on.
I got five minutes.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
Damn.

Speaker 5 (44:04):
It's like that you walk in the room.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
That's how it is.
I have like 10 niggas right.
Yeah, you got an eye on them.
10 niggas got five minutes.

Speaker 5 (44:08):
This is a long ass table.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
It's a conference table Like this is longer than
this.
The conference table is longerthan this.
Y'all Easy.
I got a book, busy book to hisface like this, close to this
nigga.
Like bro, you're not going towear for five minutes you
fucking talk about.
They didn't get it for like twohours, bro.
He said let me talk to you inthe bathroom.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
You was the only nigga pulled to the side.
No, no.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
I just I just went up there because it was for me.
Anyway I Stay property.
I mean, I see, I see it upthere.
That's a sp, you know what?

Speaker 3 (44:42):
I'm saying At that time, when you was there, the 10
other rappers, was it like anyknown ones?

Speaker 2 (44:47):
No, but that's what my niggas said I knew Rob
Markman Jr.
Oh, all right, they were in mysquad.
They said if he don't like me,at least make it like one of
y'all niggas.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
He's like yo, bro, you're not signing nobody.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
I'm like fuck, no he said well, listen, I want to
sign you tomorrow.
I said listen, bro, this iswhat I want you to do.
Can you get me a hotel room?
Because I don't want you to sayyou're going to sign me, I go
home and get killed or somethingnigga, I don't know.
Let me stay up here.

(45:19):
I just got shot like bro.
Whatever they offer you first,don't take it.
So you know my brand.
I'm like shit.
If they give me $10,000, I'mtaking it.
$10,000, I'm taking it.
I'm about to have a brick.
I'm good, give me 10 bands,because it was no comparison.
I didn't know how much you weresupposed to get.
You can't Google it.
I don't know what I'm supposedto get.

(46:01):
I know I'm gonna get some.
So there's no, no, no, no, no,no, no, no, no.
Already.
I mean shit.
You know that shit go bad.
All that Like man.
We get in there, boy, like.
So.
The paperwork is like thisthick ass.
The papers like this thick.
What the paper part of how muchI'm going to get paid, what the
paid part of that?
You know what I mean, man.
I see that shit.
What was it?
I think it was like $750,000.
$750,000, right?

(46:23):
Oh, my God, man, I said who,but I didn't know.
It was for your album.
Yeah Right, but you get advance.
So I think advance is like$100,000 or something right?
Oh yeah, I said, how about Iget $100,000?

Speaker 3 (46:36):
I said listen.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
I told the little boy listen, I don't want to
negotiate this.
You're not gonna make me,you're not gonna make me say no,
anybody.
Listen, the nigga gonna sellyour list.
I want all your reps, forever,right, forever, everywhere.
I want to own it.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
I said Dom this shit say $750,000, and I'm ready.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
They advanced me $150,000.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
Bro, listen bro, oh no, come on with it.
They could have said I want itforever.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
And Jay-Z, my man.
I would have signed it, bro,bro, yes.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
With the rock and wear buttons and all that.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Bro, listen for Bean they could have said listen, we
want all your raps.
You ever write All right, now Iget home.
I ain't got the money, but Iknow it's coming in 10 days.
So the longest 10 days of mylife, bro, I'm going to the
stores like my nigga.
That.
That that you buying shitbefore I call that that.
So but but, but, but, but, but,but, but, but, but, but, but,

(47:38):
but, but, but, but, but, but,but, but, but, but.
But you know me, I don't got nogirlfriend, I'm going to have a
family.
So I went and brought her aring, like I ain't going to tell
her.
I got a sign.
She don't know.
I got a sign.
I said you want to go together?
I'll get you a card.
She was like she was in themirror doing her little face.

Speaker 6 (47:50):
Oh, I'm OK, I'm all right, all right.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Now, that's what happened.
That's my nigga, though, but itwas like a crazy thing, mind
you.
It was like the least personyou was expected to happen to.
You mean, the nigga that'sreally be out here rapping,

(48:16):
really be out here streaming forreal, for real.
So it was like whoa shut thefuck.
Where the fuck did you startrapping?
What the fuck just happened?
Where did you start rapping?
We didn't.
I mean.
So it's like a crazy thing.
They're like where the fuck didyou start rapping, bro?
I mean because it was out ofnowhere to them, because I never
rapped Nowhere.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
I used to see Freeway rapping all the time, right,
different places and shit.
Yeah, I mean, boom, I want toget you a deal.
Wham, next day, put me in ahotel before I get killed in
Philly.
Bro, I'm trying to really getthis shit done.
Y'all get this shit done.
You get signed.
Now you got some money.
Motherfuckers really don't knowy'all yet, because it's not
it's like it's no CD, it's likeit's nothing.

Speaker 6 (48:56):
It's nothing.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
No pictures or nothing.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
But boom, something happened.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
The shit is everything.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
And then the world shut down.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
And I just got a joke too.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
I just almost missed it Before you go in.
Oh right, cause I know youabout to go in on this part.
How was your homies that youused to be doing your little
licks with how they reacted whenthey knew you rapped Well, a
lot of them was upstate right.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
I asked my man, aki Jones, shout out to Ike.
He upstate still now.
He said I was in the hole Rightby XXL I see you in there, like
because I had to join in Me andGame was in there with some
article about getting shot.
He said I'm like this nigga,don't rap, fuck you, man.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
He said this nigga don't rap, bro.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
My man, oxo Crazy, said it took like 10 years to
get my address because nobodywould give it to him.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
I don't know they had to look at him like you ain't
the biggest nigga Got me comingthrough the alley fucking my
boots up.
You got to do a lot of stuff,though bro I'm calling the
troops up.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
I thought it was going to make some people proud
of my family, but it made a lotof people don't like you more.
So let me ask.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
You just went from not having, or not being able to
do nothing for nobody, andhaving, and the next thing you
know you one of the biggestniggas in the world Having your
way too.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
So I wanted to ask something Iwanted you to like, because I'm
going to keep it a bean.
Some people don't know how tostay in their place.
I know how to stay in mine.
Y'all talking about stuffbefore like 96, 95.
I got to be quiet for now, myGod, but I wanted to ask this
right.
So now, since we had the shittime right, like the whole hot

(50:29):
97 stuff and everything thatyou're speaking on, you said who
took you in a bad from himselfand you mean so how did the
state property like, how did thegroup think form?

Speaker 2 (50:40):
we were down in the hot 97, we all from philly, and
they thought we knew each other.
But we didn didn't.
We was like really justspitting freestyle.
We always did.
It's just that New York waslive on the radio.
We did it for like two hours.
We come out the radio station,everybody's talking about it.
We like-.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
The joint that everybody know and see and all
that yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
I got back to Philly like three days later, every car
, every store, every Bro, thatshe was everywhere, like every
module.
We went on a 14 city tour ofthat.
So we go to be in new orleans,california, everywhere, and they
know every word.
They just don't know how welook, I mean.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
So that's like damn, that's just traveling I was
doing a 14 city tour off thefreestyle, off the free style
radio, bro.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Just mind you, there's no internet like none of
that.
It's like no, it was like wordof mouth, bro, that she was,
that she was, bro I remember Ihad a, um, I think I had a.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
It was a tape, you know that was, that's just so.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Probably 20 million copies, bro.
That's your question, bro.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Bro, we're doing, you know, a tour for that this was
the time when they said gety'all tapes ready bro, was it
from the jump or y'all foreignstate property later?

Speaker 1 (51:39):
was it from the no?

Speaker 2 (51:39):
no, they said y'all, we got to be together.
We got scientists not together.
But at that night they saidy'all, niggas, we got to be
together.
We got to sign this nighttogether.
But at that night they saidy'all sound good together, y'all
like the Philly niggas, y'allall from Philly, boom, boom,
boom.
They put us together and thatshit it worked.
I mean because when our firstCD came out, that shit just sold
out of numbers not to getpromoted, like that.
I mean we could sell our shownow you mean.

(52:03):
I mean that.
You mean this should have been20 something years, like yeah.
So it was like like for fromphilly to do anything like that
at that time was like I meanit's like a miracle.
It's a miracle like period.
It's really a miracle.
You know, this ain't new york,I mean, I don't record labels
here, ain't no like that here,like so to get on period.
Yeah, it's like a miracle.
It's like maybe, like it wasonly like 10 people from philly

(52:23):
on probably, I mean period.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
I mean, and with seven of them was us before we
continue, I want y'all to sharelike subscribe comment.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
If you don't, use a hater because it's free you
already know me cash.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
This is the part where we get to the meat and the
potatoes.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Man, oh, all right, meat potatoes all right.
Bet, so you could do yourlittle all, all right bet.
So like listen, man, All right.
So we got the Oskenov ass queststory.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
We got the fast forward 99.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
You get signed Hot, 97.
Now listen, right, I could askyou a bunch of base questions,
you feel me, but we ain't doingthat.
I want to ask you realquestions that you know that
like the people really want tohear you know what I'm saying.
So I notice when it come toRockefeller, like in them days,

(53:19):
a lot of people speak on likehow people relationships was
weird, like they always saidjay-z and cam relationship was a
little shaky.
They always said, like you andmac was a little.
You mean like right, so didthat come from?

(53:40):
Like the rapping competitionthing, or people was really just
not feeling each other, likeboth, I mean both, probably.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
I mean you being young.
I mean I'm like I feel likenobody can't be my boss.
You're not the boss man I getsigned to be.
You mean, I mean I just didn'tlike the fact that they had made
him the boss of the property,like man, he ain't the boss of
me.
Yeah, that's my.
I mean that's who I took it atthat time.
You mean, as a young person, Imean like I'm like I came up the
hard way too.
Like because I was on the Hard.
Knock Life Tour.
Being on the Hard Knock LifeTour.
I was on the Hard Knock LifeTour too, just with DMX yeah.

(54:06):
You know, what I'm saying.
So I'm like nigga.
So you know, plus you know, twoalpha males, two niggas, that's
like for like their being solike.
Everybody else could fall inline.
I couldn't Right so like.
But he was more famous.
But that's part of being young.
If I was older I probablywould've acted different.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Yeah, like you probably would've Just
understood the assignment.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Yeah, probably you know what I mean, or maybe not
Real rap.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Maybe not Real rap, so so Alright.
So State Property 1.
That was the, the first CDY'all came about with.
Yeah, like you didn't releaseanything On Rockefeller Besides
that Before the, you didn'trelease anything on Rockafella
besides that before this rightthe two CDs and a little other
miscellaneous shit.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
So what I did start doing before it most people
don't know.
I put out mixtapes every sevenmonths.
This is back when you couldsell them and get money off this
shit.
You could really make a livingoff of it.
Tomorrow you supplying all thestores this is something that
had a lot of record stores, allthe stands shipping.
Tomorrow you can make hundredsof thousands of dollars off your
mixtapes.
So I started seeing that I said, oh shit, this is a good hustle

(55:13):
.
It was almost like sellingdrugs, you know what I'm saying.
So I started doing that.
I put out, I think, 17 of them.
You know some shit like thatno-transcript.
You was gonna sell drugs rightso everybody around you like.

(55:35):
You mean so like.
It was like, it was like.
I mean automatically kinda, youmean so like.
But I always, I always hustleso like.
That's why I always had likeextra, extra, extra, I mean
paper type I.
I mean I always wanted to startup with a brick and shit like
that, but I never had one.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Now you start getting some paper, you go man.
I didn't want a brick.

Speaker 5 (55:51):
I just didn't bow.
You know what?

Speaker 2 (55:52):
I mean, sure, I don't want no kids out there to do
this, and I'm just telling youwhat I did.
I mean, it's not glorifying it,but it's like that's what I
knew and I was good at that.
So I was, plus you, scared togo back to being broke.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
I mean you don't want to be very serious.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
You be poor shit, then you get some money and get
fucked up again.
That's like.
That's like a nightmare, yeah,I mean.
But I said I've never nightmarethat one day I'm go to the
studio and not be able to thinkof nothing, but I have all these
reps in my pocket papers.
I mean that's a breakdown rightthere.
Like man, you professional, yougotta do this shit for real.
Ain't no days coming in there,you ain't you gotta have, you
gotta be on point every day.
Yeah, so, even though it neverhappened to me, I just love one

(56:29):
of my fears like what's thatgoing?

Speaker 3 (56:30):
I can't think of no, like you mean so it's happening
now with the professional one,and that never happened to me,
though.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
So besides your 100 events in your deal.
People like to talk about thenegative a lot and we like to
share like, share light on thepositive.
What was the most share likeshare light on the positive.
What was the most like, even ifit's revenue?
Or like, oh yeah, we at thisheight of, uh, popularity, what
was the most successful part?

Speaker 2 (56:56):
that's the thing for me, right, even though you're
going on tour here and theredoing stuff like that, right,
you're making money.
Every month you make money, butat the beginning of the month
you get five thousand justautomatically.
Anyway, I mean period, everymonth just for being signed yeah
, yeah, if I think, if I thoughtI was like, I mean it was like
so that, pay your bills, theypay your phone bill, they pay
you two way.
I mean you have clothes, yougot everybody wearing rock and
stay properly closed.

(57:17):
That's uh, it's free.
I mean that's the everythingyou want.
Basically, you spoil you forreal, like I mean you, just you
spoil you, but the internet wasout.
It should have been over, bro.
It would have been over, bro.
You know what I'm saying?
Listen, I don't have nocomplaints about that, because
at the end of the day I'm likeman, shit, my rent only was like
not even $1,000, bro At first.
Right, so I moved, but stillyou're getting five bands.

(57:37):
So now you can pay a girl, youcan pay people out.
I mean I drunk 40s.
I never smoked 40s two dollars,eat chicken wings.
I mean I haven't really had toput that one you mean about.
You mean until I started buyinghot cars and shit like that.
Yeah, bro, I didn't even knowabout credit.
I didn't know about none ofthat.
I ain't know.
I know I thought you the buycar, that you had to get how
much you cost and go buy it.
I never, I mean I, bro, I knowabout a car note too.

(57:59):
Like I got like 30, bro,because people ain't talking
about like that.
I I guess they assume that youknow my manager wanted me to get
my Jaguar, my XK8.
I got all this bread and I'mlike why the fuck do I have all
that money on you?
I'm like, bro, I'm about to buythe car.
He's like man, give me thatmoney.
He took my money and he swipedit on his credit card and the
little receipt came out, likewhen you buy a whole game from

(58:19):
the poppy store the littlereceipt.
I said what like that?
What the fuck?
Teach me all that shit.
How the fuck you do that.
I'm going in there with a whole70-something bands and go.
He's like, bro, you draw it.
Like you know what I mean.
So I was a nigga from thestreets for real.
I ain't know what you meanBecause I never went to high
school.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
I never went to none of that.
Go back a little bit, then wecould.
What was your?
What was your like?
Your infatuation with dmx andlove riders like why?

Speaker 2 (58:51):
why you love them so much.
I love them because they weresuccessful and dmx remind me
like a person I can relate tofrom the streets okay the niggas
don't be for niggas be acting.
Niggas that rap, that you'llmeet them.
They like not from the streets.
Yeah, they, they rap like theyare, but they they meet them in
real life.
They'd be like these niggasthis nigga's a fucking sucker.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Yeah, I mean so like DMX was how you come across, and
I'm going to add on to what hesaid how did you end up on tour
with them?

Speaker 2 (59:10):
My man, hip Dog, the nigga, who I my homie's manager,
he that boy.
Shout out to Hip Dog he stillthat boy right now he got he
Yonkers Legend.
I mean my bro never did allgood business with me, took care
of me.
We in Ohio, we in NorthCarolina, we everywhere.
And I'm talking about I wasnever used to being home anyway,
I didn't really have a home, Iwas like a nomad, so I'd be on
the road with me, going whatever.

(59:31):
I mean, I ain't had nothing tomiss, I ain't no girl, none of
that shit.
So I was just trying to get toit.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
You know, sometimes you have a girl a wrong girl it.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
So it's like hot.
Nine, seven come out right andboom, everybody know you.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
It's like hot, how that felt from they know me,
though they know how I look.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
All right, yeah right .

Speaker 2 (59:53):
They hear me.
They mean you're seeing theplace you don't even know that's
you, so you mean.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
By hearing you because, like hot, nine, seven
come out, that shit was an airby tape that everybody see the
players like, that's like the,like CD players, that's like the
state property.
Basically like coming out partyof everybody, hearing y'all
together.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Then the DVD came out .

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
Yeah, then the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
No, no, not the movie I'm talking about them up the
radio, up the radio station.
Yeah, you could visualize, andthen you start seeing a lot of
other DVDs.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
He touched on that when you was gone.
He touched on that, bro, Ibrought it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
You know what's crazy ?
I remember Petey was in Miami.
Petey was like oh, you got aMySpace, what the fuck is that?
He said MySpace, you talk topeople on the computer.
I said you talk to people onthe computer, for what?
Even in MySpace?
You wasn't understand, bro.
I did not Understand this shit.
Like who, what am I talking tohim about?

(01:00:46):
Like who the fuck?
So I didn't get it, bro.
It took me Too late to get thatshit To understand it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
To my Facebook.
They knew, you ain't know.
You said Petey said Petey saidsomething About my standpoint.
Yo Petey released Some fuckingmusic.
Yeah right, you burning me out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
You know, I brung, yeah, yeah, yeah, huh I brought
peter to state property.
You know, you know that I seepete.
I remember because me and petewas being ciphers and he from
freeway neighborhood, though whywould freeway bring you up
there?

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
I wasn't at the freestyle lever there gotta be
five parts with this dude, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Bro, listen too much to cover, bro I'm by community
college, though on 17 springguard.
I see pete got my rock channel.
I'm like I'm on here.
I think he's got a county jailor something.
Yeah, like, bro, I'm on, Igotta bring you up there, bro,
they.
They see me, you can get on.
He like I'm with these bullsnamed uh, aunt furlough and I'm
from south philly.
They had no strength now I mean.
So I went over to the studio.
We did a couple songs.
I said, pete, just come upthere with us.
Every time we go up there,anything we do, just come with

(01:01:37):
us.
Man basically forced him on inthe in the drawing.
I mean he was hiding to me.
I just there's flow.
Now this was crazy.
Another state property memberall right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
So so I want, I want to move forward a little bit.
So we had the state property,uh, cds and things like that
state property one and two, theuh no changing with changing
something, yeah, part two, andthe movies was coming out while
that was coming out, right, soin that moment, like you're

(01:02:12):
rolling the movies, you'rerolling the, because you, like
you said, you is like state prop, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
Yeah, yeah, suckin', lee and Rollin' basically.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Right, so so, so so with that success.
Like you had children at thetime, right yeah so, just like
you know the way the successcome in, being from Philadelphia
, we don't have much successdealing with fatherhood, dealing
with being a famous rapper atthis point.
How was that for you?

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
like I carry myself, like a famous person ever.
Never.
I've been a hip to.
I'm in the two-seater by myselfevery day, everywhere, you know
so because I feel like, likedon't music don't make you
famous, you've been a teacher orsomething like that, somebody,
something that really make adifference.
I mean I don't.
So I never looked at myselfespecially because of that.
I looked at myself especiallyfor other reasons to me, because
I care, I really want the samething I want for myself is from

(01:03:02):
for other.
You know what I mean, right, alot of people not like that.
So if I'm getting money and I'mall happy and you around me and
you ain't got no money, I can'treally even be happy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Yeah, I'm not even happy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
no more Niggas don't even be mindful.
That's how you get wrapped up.
Let me see if that's the typeof stuff I always wanted to be

(01:03:32):
able to do.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
The type of that, a young boy.
You're gonna remember whathappened in a couple of stories
you've been had one homie had noteeth.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
I said you're gonna get you too, you're gonna get up
here.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Hattie, you've been in a couple stories up here yo,
yo, hey.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
well man, I said bro, I.
I said bro, how you got noteeth, bro, like you can get,
like you ain't got no teeth.
I said, it just don't evenmatter, you got no teeth, she's
going to take care of you too.
I mean, it don't matter.

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
Wait what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
basically the shortest thing, because you can
do it all by yourself.
I mean just whatever, I got youall.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
I mean dude, that's my first day.
Like, we got some talk, we gotsome talk, we got some talk, but
I had the homies.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
I had the homies.
When I had the homies, I got tosay I got to like I got to have
this whole squad pop.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
Oh, wow I got to meet y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
I'm like yo say he a rapper I'm like oh, y'all, got
y'all oh five, oh six.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
The first time I met me it was bad on joey, I
remember like that she was crazy.
When, when, when I think youcame home or something.
I always was coming home, Istayed with you and you was like
grabbing all the youngins yeah,yeah, that was wrapping around
the city and you was actuallyasking why y'all not?

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
yeah, you're not doing it, nobody else was doing
it, that there was like understatus us.
That's known because then whenI, my music was everywhere,
there was every city, everyevery everywhere what changed?
what you mean philly well fromnow on and then like but philly
well, see back then it was thesame thing.
There was no unity back thenlike that.
It was like a lot of like beef,like that, yeah that's why he

(01:04:59):
was so looked at for doing ityeah, I'm in the car.
I'm in the car with mick mills,Right, and I said I'm about to
go to the studio.
Nh called me.
He, like you want to go to thedrop me off.
I'm like for what we got aproblem.

Speaker 5 (01:05:13):
Y'all got a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
You're.
Nh Took him to the studio Likeman, what the fuck?
So and he called his littlehomies, whatever it was.
Y'all niggas got to fix it,y'all got to fix it.
So I took them to this roomlike a balcony joint.
When they finished talking,they came out.
We did the song.
It was like me, nh Kaboom, allthe homies on the song.

(01:05:36):
That song is on one of mymixtapes and they've been cool
ever since when it could havereally been some shit, so like
that's.
I was like big brother to allthe like.
I mean, that's basically likethat.
You need something?
Just call me yeah, you knowwhat I'm saying.
That's the system.
Like I'm not your manager, Idon't want nothing.
I got to get money.
I don't need nothing from you.

(01:05:57):
I mean just just win, that's it.
If I get up, you can make mytickets.
If we all up, if one of us falloff and I'm the only one
getting money, we're done, youknow what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
So I want to ask you something, right?
You've been through, so See,this is the thing, right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
This is crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
This is crazy, bro, because me and you are alike in
a lot of ways, bro.
I'm just not your age yet.
You feel me.
So there's a whole other partof me that I ain't even see yet,
that you have saw what I'msaying, but the whole story
about your teenage and that's mywhole job like placements to

(01:06:36):
all that.
So this is what I learned thatyou grow and you become
different.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Probably like every decade, you're a whole different
person, and that's how lifemeant to be if you're paying
attention to certain things andaccepting certain things and
well, you're gonna be past me,though, because the way your age
, the way you talk, I couldn'tspeak like how you could talk
when I at your age yeah I wasn't.
I wasn't that advanced like that.
I mean I just think I I shouldthink a lot, but I wasn't
talking because, like we'reraising in prisons, like you

(01:07:03):
don't really talk like that,because you don't think that's
where you got it from though.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Like like Glenn Mills and all.
That's how I learned how to berespectful.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Yeah, glenn Mills, I ain't going to go, I ain't going
to go, I'm going to go to Quest.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Because, Glenn Mills, you know he beat your ass.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Real crazy.
That probably would havechanged.
Question you sleep outside that, the, let alone.
What vision.
Question you sleep outside,intense, if you're there for two
years.
You sleep on this outside, onthe ground, bro, and they're
sleeping back.
Why don't you see me back?
For two years, bro, you walkfrom from pennsylvania to
oklahoma, florida oh, you was invirginia, south maryland.

(01:07:37):
No, it was called.
It was called medicine, it waslike bro, I was up there, I was
the wagon train, bro, I was ingrove city.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
No, we ain't gonna get into the jail.
Listen, it's the story.
You eat the same breakfast Iwas in Groove City.
No, we ain't going to get intothe jail.
Type of drawings, let me saythis Listen, it's a story.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
You eat the same breakfast and lunch every day.
The only thing different is thewagon train.
Breakfast and lunch is the sameevery day.
What was the main?
The only thing changed isdinner.
Breakfast is I mean, I don'teat peanut butter and jelly.
Now, lunch is peanut butter andjelly, like you got to feed.
So this is how it go.
We walk 20 miles or 15 milesdriving the mules and some

(01:08:09):
people walk in, go to the nextcamp, set up the TPs, go to
sleep.
You do that all the way downthe East Coast.
You know what I mean, bro.
You take a shower once a week.
You get a phone call every 21days who going to visit you.
Where the vision?

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
This the real vision question.
This the shit.
This the real vision question.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
You know where you get a home pass If you got 10
years, 5 years, a juvenile life.
You get a home pass two weeksbefore you're about to get out.
So I had indefinite, so Ididn't know when I was getting
out, just so you could fuck up.

Speaker 6 (01:08:38):
So you could fuck up and get booked.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
But listen, I remember.
Listen, this is crazy, bro.
I've never seen TV in so long.
So when they finally get to seeTV, I mean you'll be outside so
long Before you go home.
You got to go to this placecalled Residential.
It's a house, so you get usedto being in a house Because you
ain't been in a house in years.
You go in the house, you feellike you're claustrophobic.
Right, the TV was in there andI see OJ.

(01:09:02):
I'm like that's the time OJwent to trial.
I was in adult prison.
I'm getting out when he'sgetting chased.
By the time the nigga was goingto trial, I'm booked for a
robbery.
So I got a vision course.
I went straight back to jailagain.
You know what I mean, mind you,you were in there for two years
.
I was in there two years.
You ain't seen nobody.
No visits, no mom, no dad, noneof that type of shit in the

(01:09:27):
woods.
You'd be lost, for that justtook two years of your whole.
Like you, you mean you, I got,but locked up, the was out.
Throw you guys in the air.
Remember the onyx I got.
When I got out, biggie was out.
I'm like who the is?
Biggie, I mean not that I knowall the rappers what the is.
Crack, mac you mean, becauseyou don't get to see you there.
None of that, bro I mean.
So so, like vision, quest wasdifferent and it's hands-on,
they you up yeah, yeah I mean Igot my arm broke up.
Sorry, I ain't saying no, but itwas my fault.
That's because you're obviouslymore than said Real pious, nice

(01:09:50):
white boy, me being a youngdickhead, kept playing with him.
I ain't touching you.
See, I ain't touching you.
He said don't touch me.
I kept having my finger likethis to him right.
All these young boys that don'tthink never said nothing to us
about that shit.
Right, twist my shit.
I'm in the hospital.
I said this nigga, this nigga,so humble and quiet he be

(01:10:12):
sitting.
I'm like that's why he besitting there, like that he be.
Like this nigga, he go fuckingkarate butt cut the foot.
I said this shit is great.
He broke my shit.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
So so you know, we at afterstate property, and then I've
went.
I really want to go back on thewhole dame dash, the whole
thing.
It's just a lot.
Well, oh, you feel me, oh, butI really wanted to ask you this
before I ask you any otherquestion.
You know the way life go, youfeel me, we become different
people.
Same name, same social securitynumber, but if you really go

(01:10:44):
through certain experiences andtake certain things, then we
become different people.
So what I want to ask you is weknow oh ski, no, for, like us,
meek said it first person whoshowed me I was oh ski, no, we
hear stories all the time cheekalways standing on broad and
something, something.
Oh ski, no, the one who put mein a car, haddy, um, yeah, for

(01:11:06):
sure, everybody like it's like,everybody who was like popping
at that time is always oscino.
So I wanted to ask you like 100, do you think you that already
was instilled in you or youthink that the things that you
went through with jay-z anddeath jam and state property
made you like that?

(01:11:27):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
it's just my life, like I mean, because I remember
my first foster home used to beI had a homie named jose.
That's when I was like a kidkid, we both was kids, kids.
There was a girl and I wasgonna be listening and I mean
and she used to come in our roomand could take him out the room
and and I said, always want todo, she was, she was like 16.
We was like nine, I mean, and Ishould always be trying to bait
like we should not get takenfor him.
I mean I never had a littlebrother, all my brothers, older
than me, right?

(01:11:47):
So I mean, so, like anybodyyounger than me, I just always
feel like I take, I look out foryou, I mean that's just.
I just always been since I wasa.
So, like if a nigga youngerthan me, I give him I'd do the
same thing I would do for mylittle brother.
You know what I mean, littlebrother.
You can't charge him no moneyfor nothing.

(01:12:07):
Like my man, deezy, I ran intoTLA on South Street.
I had a show.
I was charging him $1,000.
I opened up, deezy brought me$1,000.
I said, bro, if I take this$1,000, I'm going to hit your
mouth for 25,000 years Becausemy little I mean my easy easy
yeah, these are the pieces born,I mean I think this is born,

(01:12:28):
you mean.
So it's like even, even, uh, uh,uh, what the is uh?
Reese, reese, oh, you're reeseI don't took reese up to the
come up show.
You see it online.
Yeah, I mean like he won't.
Uh, my appetizer six.
I mean you got song on there.
I mean, see, people always wantto say something to you after
you die, but they didn't donothing to you when you was
living.
I could show niggas what I wasdoing for niggas before they was

(01:12:49):
living.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
It's on camera, Mind you I get nothing out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
If I'm taking you up to my come up show, that means
I'm shortening my time, but Idon't even think like that.
I took my DZF to Lazy K.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
Rob Markman, you took a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
DJ K Slay, I took that nigga who just died, from
New York, DJ K Slate.
I took DJ up K Slate.
I mean so like, but that's howyour man posted dude.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
The fuck I mean.
But not these niggas, butsometimes you so powerful they
be jealous of you.
You don't even know it, youain't even thinking about them.
Shit like that.
They try to cut you out and doshit like that to you because
that's why I just be fallingback like I mean because I can't
, I mean because it's so softlike you call me, like oh, what
the you did to me?
I ain't like it.
Like my is a young boy.

(01:13:30):
He got a clothing line.
He said he said that we had anargument, right, I, I didn't
think it was an argument, but Italked to him.
I said yo, if I feel like that,I apologize to you because it
ain't like that.
I mean, you're my young boy,but some people don't know how.

(01:13:51):
They just think you're tryingto be bad at them or something
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
But see when I was growing up that's how I always
talked to you.
I do that a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
When he talk him out.
But you know what that's?
People that love you the most.
Like me, you give me a milliondollars.
You, my man, I might take astack out and I'm going to tell
you I took a stack, bro.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Like you ain't got to worryabout no fucking that fagging
sneaky around shit.
Like you know what I mean.
They think it's me sneakingaround, man, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
So they don't like think I, because I told you.
But they know I'm effectuatedwith hip-hop.
I think I heard this out ofeverybody mouth, but yours like,
like, when it come tointerviews, the death of a
dynasty man, yeah, damn, yeah,jay-z, I don't even know what
side biggs was on in that few um.
All right, then that does thiseven more up now that y'all said

(01:14:54):
that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
But yeah, he hated.
He hated jay-z more than damedid what they said he hated
jay-z more than dame.

Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
That what they say is is that that, that um hov
wanted to get rid of biggs, thatHov wanted to get rid of Biggs?
Dane was like I'm not this, myman from Harlem.
I'm not.
No, I'm not doing that.
Know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
That's the original my thing.
I was just heard about itbecause I just seen three people
that was rich Like richer thanany black people I've seen in my
life Any black man yeah, bro,if you seen this shit, bro, to
see it with your own eyeballs,the money was.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
So was it really like they said, like that some
people go dang way and somepeople go whole way, or all
people, really Everybody?
Went whole way, except for me,for some reason, when I was a
young boy Get the fuck out ofhere, hold on hold, on hold, on
Hold on yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
How, what you mean?
How I mean when the Dame waslike oh, I don't got no record
label, I ain't doing no musicshit.
I said bruh, I'm getting moneyalready, I just want to fucking
get it.
I mean, so I just hang withDame everywhere, Everybody's
with me.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
What was the DVD and all that?

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Damn.
I asked Dame to get on the seat.
Dame came in my trousers tostand for me.
Bro, dame, no, dipset wasn'tdoing their own thing.
They ain't even done that.
That was already like theyain't even have a record label,
really.
You know, the Young Guns putout their second album.

(01:16:14):
But my thing is, I didn't be sofamous, you didn't really need
a record label.
You're somebody, you already abrand already.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
But on Watch the Dome , jay-z and Kanye John.
There's a track called why whyI love you.
And uh, jay-z said I try toteach how to be the king and all
they ever want to do is be asoldier.
Was that true?

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
like was people too young and they wanted to like
the could take cool raps, buthe's not a cool person talk
about anybody could say cool rap, that's a cool quote.
You mean like, my thing is thatdon't resonate to me when I see
you and see what you do right Imean, and this ain't no doubt, I
thought he saved my life, butat the same time I still got to
call a spade a spade, like.
I mean, like, at the end of theday, I mean, you do stuff like

(01:16:57):
this.
That's not thorough.
If I tell y'all to go shoot usin my house, right, did I get
back cool with the?
And don't make the cool withy'all and y'all don't want to
shut up his house.
I'm a sucker.
I put y'all in a line of fireand I'm going to make up with
this nigga and this nigga stillwants y'all heads.
That's how he did when he toldus to come at Nas.
I don't know Nas, I ain't never.
I mean yo, what?
What y'all?

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
ain Yo, I swear to God, I be telling you it's just
street things and then it's justman etiquette.
You tell us to diss this nigga,we don't know this nigga?

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
I don't know this nigga.
I don't got a problem with thisnigga at all he straight told
y'all just go at him, but it'sthe Hot 97 to do that, just that
you know what I'm saying.
So when you get back cool withhim, why don't you?

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
But without us Nas probably wouldn't be whole Whole
, probably wouldn't even bewhole for who he is right now.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
I didn't even notice that that y'all was going in on
all Queens beats and all that,but we didn't know what beats
they were putting on, whateverbeats they were putting on.
But JC set it up for us to comedown there and do what we did.

Speaker 4 (01:18:00):
But my thing is, bro, it's not like y'all know what
the fuck it is.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
What did?
He killed that cousin.
Act like he killed your cousin.
See what I'm saying.
But my thing is this you didall this shit right when your
career was on the line.
I told you I seen you wasrocking the rock chain and all
that shit.
I would never wear it becausehow you got rock chain and
hitting the game, he had alittle lunch type of shit I mean

(01:18:26):
to me.
So they niggas scared to talkabout it Like I'm not.
Like I mean you got.
If I got a billion dollars, I'mnot going to have a daughter
somewhere she left out.
I'm not going to have a son.
I got a billion dollars.
I mean they're automaticallyrich.
You got a billion dollars, bro.
I ain't trying to.
You can't.
Really You're not a betterperson than me.

(01:18:47):
Nigga don't got no money.
He don't got no money, no moneyto take care of him.
That's one thing, bro.
You got all the money In theworld.
That's different To me.
I'm looking like Nigga.
How can I look up to you?

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
I don't want to be like you.
I don't want to be like fuckall that other shit.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
You got your kids with Beyonce.
That's all you talk about.
I mean, you're not gross Ify'all got daughters, y'all know
a girl Girls really is adaughter.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
Yeah, that's a daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Absolutely.
That girl looks just like him,bro, and it's not dope Listen,
but this is what I'm saying.
If you know girls, daughters,they got two daughters.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
So who's got a daughter he not taking care of?

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
We might take care of her now on the low, but she not
even getting, she won't evenacknowledge it, you know, like
in her 30s right.
Yeah, it's like.
I think she's like, yeah, likelate 20s, something like that.
She was in Southern Maryland,yes, maryland.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
I'm talking about, bro.
I'm just the lethal to that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
So when you?

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
said Maryland, it's just like.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Salisbury Maryland, yeah, salisbury Maryland, we
ain't going to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
No, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
What I'm saying is this I don't want to be like you
, right, money-wise.
I wouldn't even want to be likeyou because I wouldn't have
that much money, just to saythat I'm a billionaire.
I don't care about none of thatshit, because life's short.
When you start getting to acertain age, you're like, damn,
I'm about to be dead soon.
What difference are you goingto make?
I mean because none of yourkids are going to be in this
world.
You want your kids to only wantto be rich.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
That's a target.
We're going to have security.
Maybe it's like when I grew up,like in a generation where,
like a lot of people ain't takecare of their kids.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
But listen, if you got a billion, they ain't have a
billion dollars though.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
No, they ain't have a billion dollars.
That's the difference.
They ain't have a billion.
They would have took all of it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
Of course people don't take care of their kids.
That's what I mean.
You ain't got it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
Yeah, you ain't got it.
This is one of those type ofJones like when you cheat on
your wife or you cheat onsomebody or something you can't
bring that kid home.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
Bro, listen, when you got a billion dollars, you can
do anything you want.
Right, you only got to be there.
You can get somebody to be thedad.
Yeah, you going to be her dad,all right, you can do anything,
you can do anything you want.
You're not understanding, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
You can do anything.
You all know is today, then brolisten bro.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
He always had that.
Yeah, bro, you could bro brolisten to you a hundred million
dollars money.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
See, this is what I'm talking about.
See, I'm going back to mentalhealth.
His popping wasn't in his life,but you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
I'm going back to that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
But my thing is that you but let's say you got a
hundred million dollars- butthat's where he clicking in his
head because it happened, butthat made me not look up to you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
I can't look up to you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
Yeah, I can't look up to that.
I don't give a fuck about that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
But you can look up to your other kids.
I mean, I don't One of thethings.
We got a billion dollars.
If you got 10 million dollars,10 million, fuck this, my kid, I
don't give a if I see you ornot.

(01:21:51):
You rich, that's my thing isyou just rich, period.
I don't gotta like you and thenI gotta see you, but I'm rich,
so you gotta be rich okay, Ican't out here not rich, that'll
make me look crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
I mean, yeah, so like you, always been like somebody
that um that always gave thegame like you always been
informative and gave theinformation, like, give me that
part of you and why?
Why you always do it like, whyyou always have that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Because I never look at people as competition.
I don't look like, oh, if Igive you this, you're going to
pass me.
I don't give a fuck about allthat, because whatever God got
for you, he's going to have foryou anyway, you know what I'm
saying, my whole thing is this Ijust want to be able to look in
the mirror and know I lovemyself to death because I knew
the shit I did for people.
I don't care if nobody elsedon't know.

(01:22:27):
I know People forget that.
They don't know that they worryabout what people are going to
think, what they're going to say.
If you don't let yourself first, that shit don't even matter.
You let people fake you.
They don't even know if they'regoing to let it real you,
because you'll never be real toyourself You're scared to say
this I'm not doing all that, I'mnot pussyfooting around.
Even if I had to eat trash, Idon't give a fuck.
I'm still going to be me.

(01:22:48):
Yeah, but my thing is thisthough when you really believe
in God, no matter what yourreligion is, you always feel
like you're always going to haveit.
If you have a way enough,you're never going to be like
lot of money for a long time.
If you ain't got $100 million,you're going to spend it.

(01:23:10):
I mean period.
You know, when you're youngyou're like man, that's.
But I always had it, even whenI was a kid.
I always had it.
God always provided for me.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
I mean because I ain't going it.
You mean, so let me ask youthis, right, because that's what
I said, like your legacy is.
So your legacy is so much of alike fruitful genre where you
see, like you got signed in 99and rockefeller pride or your
state property pride, like 2004,2005, 06, when there was like
an end to it, and you see wealready passed that Like with

(01:23:51):
you.
I don't got to talk about thisyear to this year.

Speaker 4 (01:23:54):
It's like keep going, you know what.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
I mean, right, yeah, for sure.
So from that, like we alreadypassed, like Dame and Jay-Z
falling out, and then after that, so so I want to ask you right,
you already said it like well,hov, like understand completely
why you looked at him the wayyou looked at him.
And when we was talking aboutMack earlier, you was just like

(01:24:19):
you just ain't like the factthat they made him the boss of
Rockefeller, like you got signedand I mean, but y'all didn't
have a real problem.
So when did you and Mac problemcome?

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
like it's always like .
I just feel like I just feltlike he wasn't the genuine,
wasn't a genuine person like hewas, like a man.
I just ain't like, like we justain't like each other really I
mean be honest I wasn't like, itwasn't no super thing.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
I mean, I don't know what really, why I think you
kind of said it like because youhad your own deal already.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they'reputting me with these guys.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
I don't mean we don't get along, even if they don't
know they still be doing shit tome.
I mean even to this day.
I mean but, but, but I'mlearning.
I don't get to try to react tostuff different I mean, because
what happens is none of thatshit at all.
Whatever you say, that's whatit is.
But my thing is this when I getmotivated, I pass everybody.

(01:25:10):
Because I write songs, I getbusy.
Niggas don't really get busy.
They still run off with the oldshit.
And this ain't no shade, thisain't I know everybody.
But I just think when youpowerful, you got presence about
yourself, they don't want youaround because they can't be
they self.

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
All right, one thing I want to say like you inspire
me because the way you talk andyou articulate yourself and you
pretty much you know like youspeak up.
You know, what I'm saying.
You don't hold nothing back,you don't speak up.
But I want to know, like someof these times, like some of
those situations you've beenthrough, like, do you like look

(01:25:50):
back and be like, damn, I couldhave did?

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
that another way, yeah, for sure but that's how
you learn right.
I mean I don't like what I, butit never was the time I said
did something like I should havedid it.
I should have did itdifferently, differently, yeah I
could have went another way but.
But it wasn't meant for it tohappen like that was meant to
happen.
Exactly how it happened, youknow, because, at the end of the
day, if you, if you, live aperfect life, you're never gonna
learn that so so so you and uhand the breakup, you basically

(01:26:16):
going going like leaning towardsdame, but they broke up madder
than you, because you workedplus, I was getting money at the
time most of my life at thetime.
you mean, I was rolling, so wasrolling, so much that shit ain't
matter.
At that point I'm on some wholeother type of shit.

Speaker 4 (01:26:30):
Bust an old part.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
I'm getting 10 bricks and 200 bands.
But what happened was, let metell you where my life took a
switch.
It's kind of what y'all areleaning towards.
I was in Dallas, about to getout 2015.
I'm in my cell, mind you, thewhole time I'm in my cell, mind
you, the whole time I'm in jail,I'm thinking I'm going to come
out and hustle.
I'm not going to say the wholetime, but more than half I'm
going to do this.
That's my whole mentality.
I'm inside my cell Every otherSunday.
I say watch Lifetime.

(01:26:53):
I sit in my cell, watchLifetime.
My shit buzz.
Two guards come in.
I'm like what the want to do it?
Yeah, man, and if I don't do it, I'm about to go home soon.
I'm gonna get I mean, you can'tmake the roll stripping in
there.
And and for some reason, Idon't know why, this day, this
day, hurt me.
Man.
I was like, mind you just sell,like the size of a Dallas sells

(01:27:16):
, small as shit.
Like two niggas in there, whiteboy, they throwing your shot,
they naked in there, like.
And I just felt like I don'tknow what.
I just bothered me so much thisday but I said I can't do this
shit no more.
So I started in the plane.
What can I do?
I said I'm gonna go home and bea regular person.
I'm gonna go to school forsomething.
I'm gonna go.
I already had my barber licensefrom in there.
I'm gonna go, you mean, and Idon't care.
Fuck with nobody you was yeah Idon't care what nobody think,

(01:27:38):
right, I mean, and I came homewith this all-state trucking
school, right, and I had to popin there have, have my little
they were all young and shitright and try to be regular, but
it just wasn't meant for me.
I mean, I do school, go to geta job.
They said we can't use you,like what, because, like I said,
like when you think you got aplan, they don't got nothing to
do with you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
That's what's MPA.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
But I came home and it back.
So to not make that call waslike it took like everything out
, yeah, everything.
And so the girl you're livingwith you hate it.
You hate this, bro.
I was more happy in jail thanwhen I first came home.
That's you like.
I'm like man.
I should have just stayed thein jail, okay, this, like you're
on parole, you can't tiptoe in.
The parole is different fromprobation Parole.
You get caught pissing in thealley, you go upstate.

(01:28:27):
You get driving without alicense you go upstate.
You got a beer in yourrefrigerator.
You go upstate.
Somebody sitting on your stepsmoking you go upstate.
I mean any little thing.
You go to prison.
I'm talking about.
You do anything and it's likeI'm old want you to pay all this
money.
So I'm, but I was, you know, agirl.
Then if you got with the wrongperson, they come like yo the

(01:28:49):
whole parole over your head.
You can't.
I mean you just gotta becareful.
That's why I stopped drinkingwhen I came home.
It's like I can't make.
I remember this, though.
This is what I remember.
What did you say?
I'm going to say what happened.
Listen.
The boy, jimmy the Saint, gotme locked up Right For a

(01:29:12):
homicide.
Yeah, he got me locked up for ahomicide Right.
And when I beat the homicidethey were just trying to lock me
up On my top, locking me up foreverything, right.
One day they picked me up andI'm going to the store.
I I'm like yo.
They locked me up, took me tothe police station, got this
lady to come look at me.
I'm like what the fuck?
You got this lady looking at me.
She told me somebody raped her,right?
I said fuck you all looking atme for Like, I mean this man's
just late.
I'm like 20-something still,this bitch like 50.

(01:29:33):
I said, well, if I'm a rapist,well, I'm gonna rape her.
She got these.
The boy Jimmy D's thing gotcaught some work in his crib and
he just put me under the busright.
I never knew he did that to me.
20 years later I never knew whodid it right.
So then I get so boom.
So the boy tapped the back ofmy car and said I robbed him

(01:29:56):
right, we ain't had no argumentor nothing in that shit, right,
delaney Foxworth, you know whohe was right.
So I lost that shit, lost thecase against him.
He said he tried to blackmailme for 10 bands.
He said if you give me 10 bands, I'm going to say you robbed me
, Right.
So I was going to jail, butit's like for shit out of my
control.
Then the crazy part AnthonyDeFino, the judge who locked me
in for the robbery that I didn'tdo.
He died in the fire.
He married by name, he playedwith the Bentley, so we can't

(01:30:24):
leave.
I mean they got the shit tapedoff.
So I'm parking the street.
I just thousands of people outthere.
This movie's popping rightstreet lounge, yeah, but run
that way.
But it's called something else.
Then was the one across fromthe middle to it?
You know it's to what?
The one on the other, one onthe right side matter of fact.
I forgot about that.
So spring garden, yeah, so.
So beans was parked on thesidewalks.
My and his Bentley did right,so the joint blocked off.

(01:30:47):
So I'm in the park, I'm parkedon the side street.
Some boy, I'm in the parkingspot.
Somebody hit the back of my car.
I'm like fuck, we're not evenmoving.
Why you?
We got the car.
I'm in the rental though, so Iain't really give.
I said boy, you broke the backlight.
He said give me.
Days later the cops are like yo, we only talked to you about

(01:31:07):
something.
I'm like what, what?
Come down there.
The boy say he robbed me.
I'm like robbed.
When Then I see the boy on thecourt, he's like give me some
bands.
I'm going to say he robbed me.
You know what I mean?
Like I lost that shit Went to.
I did my time.
So every time I get booked Ican't get out.
On the entertainer, I can't getout.
Yeah, it's a bullfuck.

(01:31:27):
My whole shit up.
They can't fix the felon andeverything, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
That is crazy bro.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
Delaney Foxworth is his name.
He live in Delaware now.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
So look right, so we can't.
I got like two more questions,but we can't even go any further
, man.

Speaker 3 (01:31:43):
Yeah, we got to do a part two, bro.
We going to have to, but listento this though I want to say
this one time, bro, oh Listen.
Delaney.

Speaker 5 (01:31:49):
Foxworth though I thought you was about to say it.
No, no, no, I was going to saysomething else, delaney.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Foxworth, if you're watching this, bro, you got to.
We can, though you got to makethis.
I mean on the court.
He got on the stand and said yo, he ain't rob me, but he's been
saying I robbed him for like ayear.
So when he said on the stand,right, the cops from my homicide
case was in the courtroom yeah,the same thing happened to the
homicide.

(01:32:13):
He said he did it and they saidhe didn't do it, either he
paying them off or hethreatening them.
Immediate custody.
The judge said immediatecustody.
I found something fishy going on.
Booked me on, book me right.
No spot like that, right.
But what I'm saying?
That don't stand.
That should be some type of wayfor me to better get that just
sponged off.
My I mean took off my like.
I mean I've been a convictedfelon now for that.
She was like 2002 to champion.
You mean so it's 20 somethingyears.
I mean that you know when youconvict the felony, you can't

(01:32:35):
live certain places in your name.
You can't work in the hospitalschool.
It sets your down from so many,so many things that you're
forced to become you, forced to.
I mean, and there's anothernigga.
A nigga did this to me.
I'm talking about a nigga, aregular nigga.
He can't leave without our show.
I said I locked up a robber'smic for $60 at the show.
I got to pay $5,000 for him.
That don't even make sense andI fucking lost.

(01:32:56):
Then the judge said I don'tthink you did this robbery.
I think you did was a typicalboy.
So the oldest, jimmy the Saint,jimmy the Saint, I Correct,
yeah, my manager brothers, theyget put me in the studio and all
that, bro, I hate bull becausewhen the boy got killed it was a
two of them.
One guy killed one, didn't.
The boy who didn't die.
I kept reaching out to him cuzI forgot why you saying I did it

(01:33:17):
he never will answer me didlike three years ago he answered
my Facebook.
Talk to me, he's like man.
He told me I saw the boardJimmy to say he answer on
Facebook.
Talk to me, he's like man.
He told me.
I said I found out the boy,jimmy the same.
He said Brian, because when Iwent to court he was looking at
me like man.
He look boy, look too tall.
Mind you, I've been in jail forlike a year fighting a homicide
on CFCF.
Man, innocent as fuck.
There's nothing like being inprison when you're innocent.

(01:33:38):
They should not give you thedeath penalty, bro, that shit
like me, if you type in thatshit Coming right up on the
daily news Like Rapper beats,murder, rat, worst case Mistaken
.
I didn't even say that I mean.
But instead of them Saying likewe sorry for doing it to you,
they make them feel like you gotaway with something.
So that's why I got three tosix years For some weed, like
you know, for the weed Like ohyeah, we want him anyway.

(01:34:00):
All cats you mean so.
So, in the nutshell, makeeverybody look at you like all
you do is get locked up when itain't even you.
Yeah, I mean, that's what I waslabeled as.
All you do is get locked up allthe time.
You mean these niggas.
I mean that shit was crazy brodamn man.

Speaker 1 (01:34:12):
So I want to, I want to like, we can't.
I don't even want another wordsaid before we touch on this man
.
Uh, I don't want to say thewrong thing, but like I, I tell
everybody I wish I knew you somuch around this time.
But, uh, I think it was aroundlike 2019, 2020.

(01:34:34):
Um, you lost a son, that's whatI'm saying.
Uh, my condolences, man, forreal man.
Uh, I wish I knew you so bad atthat time, man, all the stuff
I've been doing my life.

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
If you take all of it and add it times a thousand, it
won't be equal to that.
Yeah, it won't equal to that.
It's the worst thing ever.
It's the only words that youcan explain.

Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
That's why I made sure I brung that up.
And then, on top of that, eventhough Mooji a little older and
you know, with certain feelingsthat he might have towards you,
and you know, like I, I I did myresearch, all the interviews,
so I'm not just a god justtalking like I heard his side

(01:35:16):
and it's unfortunate you feel me, we know it's crazy about that
situation yeah he was tight onthe streets and they never had
never told me.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
I have no problem at all be tight.
Since he was a kid like.
So I thought he was my sonbecause I know him but my main
blame him on me.
That's why he live on 31st andtasking.
His mom made from 31st andtasking so I had to go to
another house to meet my son andwe end up being cool and start
getting money together becauseI'm thorough like that.
Yeah, I mean yeah like up therewith his mom.
His mom ain't there.
I mean, but kids, a son gonnalove his mom.
And I never told my son like yo, I ain't know you nigga, cause

(01:35:44):
there was no need to tell himthat you ate my son.
Now, come on, we rockin' he go,your brothers that's the crazy
part that's thecrazy part.
He hold stuff against me thathe, bro.
Your mom is who you need tohold this against.
But you know moms is sons andthey moms usually is fights.
Your mom blames you on fivepeople that I know of.
Majo's a nigga that was in CFCFwith me.

(01:36:05):
They had their picture on thewall.
So I'm like bro, but I foundout you was mine.
I took a test from the rip.
You're mine.
Come on, we rocking.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
That's why I said we like, so I ain't even had to
tell him.
I'm apologize to him, whatever.
I mean, that's my son.

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
So like he can say nuts stuffabout me, I don't care, it's
never going to be over, I'mnever going to not care about
you, I'm never going to not loveyou, I'm never going to not.
I mean, you're my son.
At the end of the day, I madeyou bro, you know.
So he like it's like he wantedto be in company, but I love him
to death.
But we never had no, no problemsat all on the streets, right,

(01:36:45):
but when you meet a kid eight,you can't beat him.
Yeah, you can't meet a kideight years old and beat him.
So you can't really chastisehim because they don't even.
They might just come get him.
So sometimes he wouldn't evenwant to go.
He don't know me, he ain't knowme at all.
I forced myself into his life.
You mean that part.

(01:37:08):
You don't got brothers and Ithink it's didn't be together.
So like the stuff that you feel, you know kids, kids see stuff
different than the parent do aparent see it clearer because
they were grown.
They was grown you see it, youdon't see it.
The fact that you got your steppop, because that's still your
step, that's my, and that I cameover there with your step-up,
I'm like I don't know how thisnigga gonna be.
But whatever it is, I'm tryingto make it work.
We end up being like brothers.
So we come over, we over there,playing bro, you got your dad

(01:37:30):
there, your step-up, and yourstep-up dad upstairs.
There's no need for you aboutmy son is that he did all this
nuts stuff, whatever he's doingout here, but he take it, he

(01:37:50):
won't get him doing.

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
No crying about it, he ain't telling bro he never.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
I've never called him .
I never talked to him.
One time he was sad.
I saw y'all talk.
No, he took.
When he first got a job.
You know I sent him money forhis tv and all that stuff like
that.
I mean.
Then he started getting his bag.
I I don't know.
But see, when you're a parentyou don't forget the kids.
You know they dumb because theyused them.
He never was me before, henever my age before, so he can't
even think.
I can think how he think, butonly difference with me.
I ain't have a dad, so I ain'tnever get a chance to blame it
on this person.
To blame it on this person, Ihad to get his shit done.
Yeah, you know, what I mean.
Nobody sending me money.

(01:38:12):
I had to draw pictures in jailto get commissary.
Yeah, so he don.
When you don't want to rob astore.
But you got to rob a store.
You don't want to rob the store, like damn, I wish I didn't
have to rob the store you got torob that.
You ain't going to eat.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Shit like that.
He don't know about none ofthat and I'm glad he don't know

(01:38:38):
that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
But see if he was smart what he would have done
was use me as a you goingthrough what you go through.
You went through it so yourkids can't or won't have to bro,
bro, I remember my dad.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
I did my dad for nine months period, like he might
say he died 1990.
So yeah, I figured that's 30something.
I mean so come on, not eventhat I have no dad to talk to it
at all, period you give me,only had you had it for nine
months, you mean.
So that's a whole differenttype of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:39:02):
I just want to say that we just broke down the
difference between hove and oh,you know what I'm saying.
You went and forced yourself inyour kid's life and somebody
else ran from their kid.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
My son was out of jail right now.
He might be bad with it for awhile, but eventually you're
going to come back to your dadbecause the person always never
going to judge, the personalways got to forgive you.
People on the streets can justcut you off.
I can't cut you off because I'myour dad, so I got to.
I mean, in Madu, I'm just likenigga.
I feel the same way.
I feel like man, fuck you too.
I can say the same thing.

(01:39:40):
You mean so like because Idon't need you for shit.
That's the natural human.
Yeah, but I don't need you forsure you need.
If anything, you would need me.
I'm saying I would never sayfuck you because I already know
you gonna grow up one day andyou gonna be different.

Speaker 3 (01:39:52):
So important.
There were a lot of fathersgoing through that, like what
you speaking man so like in ourcommunity.
It's like something going on.
Where's though, like I don'twant, I don't want to say listen
, let me say like this I don'tclaim to be no perfect father at
all I don't know how to dad myson.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
How the fuck I'm gonna know how to be a father.

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
There's a disconnect right now it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
It's not.
It's not the kids.
These days, I think they'remore spoiled than we was when I
was growing up.
My, when I was growing up, yougot a dad at all.
Even if you enjoy it, you'rehyped to have a dad period.
Yeah, that's a bust, butnowadays they feel like prima
donnas.
Imagine if they write forthemselves like that.
Maybe that's what they owe.
But I didn't have it.
We don't really know howexactly to be and I didn't know

(01:40:40):
that kids, they want to do that.
So that's the part I feelguilty about, because I'm
thinking like Nigga, I'm aboutyou ain't got to be hungry, you
ain't got fly sneakers, youain't got to run.
None of that shit.
I'm taking care of you.
That's not taking care, but Ididn't know that At the time.
I mean, that's all I got to do.
I'm selling drugs.

Speaker 1 (01:40:59):
You know what I?

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
mean so that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:41:01):
I listen, man.
Oh man, I try to Get to themeat and potatoes as much as I
could In a short segment.
If y'all want a part two, no,they getting a part two.
If y'all need a part two,comment, just put two, just put
the number two, that's it.
Well, y'all can say what y'allwant.

(01:41:23):
But, this the one thing, causeit's kinda like breaking news.
Feel me I need you to touch onthis, bro.

Speaker 4 (01:41:31):
All right, before you do that, though, I'm sorry to
cut you off.

Speaker 3 (01:41:35):
It's a lot of crisscross.

Speaker 4 (01:41:37):
I just want to know, because, throughout the music
and throughout the Internet, andyou learning the Internet, you
being on the internet, you keepyour authenticity.
You've been able to keep yourauthenticity the whole way
through Like no, no, not me Like, tell me, like how important it
is for you to keep yourauthenticity in everything that
you do.

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
Well, the only way you can do that right is if you
get your own money.
If you work for somebody else,you can't beat your true self
because they might fire you.
Yeah See, I always find a wayto get money where I ain't got
to be, because my thing is thiswhen you come from the slums,
you don't have to get millions.
If you get some thousands toget by, they'll hold you over
until you get back to your bag.
You can do that.
You don't got to be dick eatingand waiting for somebody.

(01:42:24):
Shit that I was not doing.
I can't do it.
I'm not fucking around, fakingit and all that shit to make you
happy and you a sucker.
How dare I make you feel happy?
And you a sucker?
You the one that's a sucker.
What I do is I love my niggas.
If I fuck with you, I fuck withyou 100%, or I don't fuck with
you at all.
I don't really do all that inbetween.
That's why I'm cool with people, because you'll be loving
somebody.

Speaker 4 (01:42:43):
they hate you the whole time you know, I just
noticed that, like you've beenthe whole the same, the whole
way through and changed throughover the years and like that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:51):
So you know I hate the most somebody.
Somebody say something, youwrite about somebody.
Do you see them?
Around, around them and likelike what the bro like did y'all
fix it or something, y'all fixthat, what the that's just crazy
that'd be, so weird to me, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
Nah, real, nah, real rad.
So, like you know what I mean,like we're going to have to do a
For sure OV2, you feel me?
That's what you're going tocall it OV2.
Ski no, vag Squares 2.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
I want to say something to it, like I'm proud
of y'all Because y' Like forreal, because like it's easy as
men, it's easy to like, not seeyour feelings, not see how you
really feel.
It took me to be like 40 tolearn how to do that shit.
Bro, to be honest with you, youknow what I mean.
But seeing young people doingthat shit I'd be like damn,
that's supposed to be more of.
Y'all advanced, more advancedthan my generation is A lot of

(01:43:44):
times people that say I domusic't.
What's the boy's name with thewhite white?
Uh, d-sturdy or something.

Speaker 4 (01:43:48):
Too.

Speaker 6 (01:43:48):
Rare Too Rare.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
I was talking to someone on the internet last
night.
I mean I said yo bro, youpoppin' bro, I'm proud of you.

Speaker 4 (01:44:00):
You poppin' hard it is to come out of philly, let's
say I'm a sucker for bro.

Speaker 2 (01:44:03):
You ever watch this shit called uh secret boss.
Like the secret boss he'd be,like he worked there well every
time I'm watching about thecrowd, bro, like I'm like yo,
I'm so hyper happy because I'dbe like to see people do good
bro.
Like when I see somebody doinggood bro, she'd make me feel
like some type of way.

Speaker 1 (01:44:16):
Basically, it'd be like a boss or go to the
establishment and act like theemployee more time than the
owner of the company.
And whoever like Really doinggood.

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
And all that boss Will be like.

Speaker 1 (01:44:26):
I'm giving you a hundred thousand Like, yeah,
like that type of shit.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
Yeah.
So like that shit, like that,make me feel like Yo bro, I'm
like I can't watch this.
You know what?

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
Like I want some shit like that Right, because A lot
of people, a lot of people whensomebody hating on you, right,
and they don't even feel it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:41):
That's what I'm saying bro, even I was a dirty
little kid, bro, I never.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
If I see somebody get money, I'm like I want to be
like them.
Yeah, I want to ask them howyou get that.
Yeah, I've never had me, butbut I understand you gotta be
thankful that god didn't give itto you.
Right people, that people thatbe hating they don I want to be
well who want to be gay.
You gotta go through all thisridicule and all this stuff.
It's something that your godjust ain't give it to you.
So, like I told myself before,you make fun of somebody, but
remember that god didn't give itto you.

(01:45:10):
Be lucky that you didn't giveit to you that's why I look in
the mirror.

Speaker 1 (01:45:14):
I could be down to my last hundred, but I'd be happy
that I'm not done when you'rehappy, when you have be rich
exactly which has Exactly, Ifound that out.
Rich as a spirit.

Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
Rest in peace, Rich yeah yeah, yeah, I mean so, like
.
But just imagine whereeverybody could talk to each
other and be their true self andnot hiding and trying to worry
about ulterior motives and allthat.
It'll be a smooth ass.
You ever had somebody, a friend?
They do some shit to you, likewhy you do that?
Yeah land the to you look likeit's just like you, you so you

(01:45:45):
don't know who, and then messyou up for messing with somebody
else.
I mean, whereas though it couldhave been a good relationship
with the next person so, so.

Speaker 1 (01:45:49):
So this one thing I want, because we gotta you,
you're over here too, man, butwe gotta do it.
I don't want to ask you becauseit's breaking news for real
make sure y'all share, likesubscribe comment if you don't.

Speaker 3 (01:46:00):
you're a hater because it's Hit that
notification.
Bell Ding.

Speaker 1 (01:46:05):
I just want to know, bro, what's up with this Charlie
Mack stuff bro?
Oh man, let me tell yousomething bro.

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
I looked up to Charlie Mack.
So much, bro, like it was tothe point he could have said, oh
, I can't pay you right now.
I got you later.
I was like, all right, but thefact, off the shows and keeping
the money for me, keeping it,whatever.
I'm like bro, just pay me bro.
What's the problem?
I'm going to give a publicapology.
Now he's starting to lie andsay different shit.

Speaker 1 (01:46:30):
So shows.

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
Yeah, yeah.
But my thing is this I talk toyou regularly.
I talk to this nigga regularly.
I said, bro, why you ain'tpaying me, bro?
What the fuck you?
So, instead of paying me, hemust have got it.
I don't know, but he's runningaround doing all this and all
this shit.
I just think the principle thatyou're trying to play me when
I'm supposed to be.
If one of you catfish me, I'mlooking at you as a big homie.

(01:46:52):
You've been with the red carpetWill Smith joining the governor
and everything.
So when I see him do that, I'mlike damn bro.
But even if you fucked up, butthe fact the way he went about
what he did, he pretty muchblamed it on your man, he didn't
pay me.
He said Freeway did it.
He blamed it on Freeway andthen he told my man, ds, like yo
, I offer old money, he ain'ttake it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:12):
He's just like making all this lying shit.
So you and State they all stillcool.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
I mean, after that I don't really think we cool, no
more.
Like we all right, freeway,freeway.
He almost my hit list, almostwhat?
Yeah, almost.
I talked to him, I talked tohim and I got love for him, but
like, I just like.
I feel like he a low-key hater.
This one thing, but person actpious and all that islam stuff
right listen listen.
I think I feel like.
I feel like that's like a frontyou frank, because if you

(01:47:37):
really like that, you know, whenI go see my son, I want you to
see your son, right?
I call you every time I'm therebecause I'm always there.
How you let a nigga saysomething about taking money
from me and you know my son hada one-month-old daughter when he
passed away.
You should be wanting to giveme, mind you, I just got you a
show in Maryland when theywanted Dave East and they gave
me the money and I came andbrought it to you.

(01:47:58):
So you act Muslim and all thatI don.
I'm sturdy, you not sturdy,period.
Niggas tell me oh, free, don'tget free.
What don't get free?
Who the fuck is you To tell menot to get free?
Who the fuck is you?

Speaker 1 (01:48:08):
Why you staying on business for free?

Speaker 2 (01:48:10):
For anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:48:10):
This is my squad.

Speaker 3 (01:48:12):
Like listen If they saying they paying realer than
most.
They paying realer than most.
You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
I'm saying but bro, listen, bro, bro, they Listen.
And Charlie, everybody's likewhat is this about me?
Because I'm real, what the fuckis the problem?
And they're like I ain'tpopping, I'm popping on my own,
probably more than y'all niggasis.
I was just on Vlad fucking twoweeks ago.
They called me.
They kind of called you to beon there.
You can't go on there.

(01:48:42):
I'm about to show y'all niggashow to do it.
So, charlie Mack, fresh out thelimo, fuck, charlie Mack.
That nigga's a sucker man, I'mjust I'm just I'm just, I'm just
, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just,I'm just, I'm just I'm just he's
a sucker man.
Listen thing like damn you do.
That's why I was like damn,charlie man.

(01:49:03):
That's.
One thing about me is having ayoung boy.
First of all, you block me so Ican't talk to you this is the
second time I'm here in the pastthis this and this thing got
his nephew to call me right, Imean I'm trying to bust my
nephew, but he said yo, hewanted off your apology of
public apology.
So I said, bro, apologize forwhat?
If he ain't doing anything,he's apologizing for it.

Speaker 1 (01:49:19):
Just tell me to get my money other shit, that mean
he not try to give it to you,but that mean he know he stole
it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:49:25):
What you apologizing for yeah, yeah, yeah, no, you
all right.

Speaker 2 (01:49:30):
So my thing is this bro, you lost all respect for me
.
You'll never be able to get itback, Like you mean.
So like I see I'm spitting inyour face Like get the fuck out.
I mean, I don't want to be likethat.
When I ask God for stuff, Idon't ask him for money, I ask
him for patience.

Speaker 1 (01:49:45):
You know how I heard About this story.

Speaker 2 (01:49:47):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:49:48):
Nigga called me like Yo O City Jamming Niggas.
I'm like what?
And I just heard Charlie Mac.
I didn't know Nothing aboutthis Till like three days ago.
I've been on a little InstagramDetox Like if I post I'm not
looking at other people, andthen I got caught a day yo,
charlie Mac.
State property.
I was so happy when, I seenthat you and beans did an

(01:50:11):
interview and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:12):
But I'm the mother bro.
Y'all first of all stay.
Probably once they probably wasformed PD and meat leaf wasn't
there, so take them to off.
But you're like, in the mainspurs we not cool, right?
But y'all niggas, nice Latinsports, get on one, like you
know, if you wait, you andSparks not cool neither.
No, I mean Sparks ain't beencool for like 10 years.
I mean we've been that shit,been on what's going on?

Speaker 6 (01:50:32):
Yo, I thought the show was cool.

Speaker 5 (01:50:34):
You and Petey good though.

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
We just got.

Speaker 6 (01:50:40):
Oh, my God Bro, you know what?

Speaker 2 (01:50:41):
Listen, no, listen, listen, listen, listen, no
listen.
The night of the show listen.

Speaker 3 (01:50:44):
Listen, bro listen, the night of the show Listen.

Speaker 2 (01:50:47):
The night of the show I said, yo, I paid.
Pd told me no, you know whatI'm saying, so I ain't going to
hold up against him, because Iknow my person said oh, you know
, you make people be nervous andthey might say anything.

Speaker 3 (01:50:57):
They don't want to hear you.

Speaker 6 (01:50:59):
These motherfuckers had Illumin.

Speaker 2 (01:51:00):
That's what they saying like that's what they
saying, like no, no, no, listen,listen, listen.
He too real, he on vlad.

Speaker 1 (01:51:05):
He going to tell niggas, that's what they saying
like, but go ahead though.

Speaker 2 (01:51:08):
So so I was on Neef, Live Me, and Neef and Beans was
on Live.
I said yo, we need to do a Hot97 tour with the up.
You should have said that.
But Freeway I'm thinkingFreeway was my man.
See, my thing is this Onceyou're not my man, fuck you.

(01:51:30):
Nigga.
Right, I'm not acting like wecool and all that shit.
Fuck you, we can do a song onthe stage together.
Now I know why you calling yourmixtape what you doing the fact
that you sitting there and letanybody say that about you.
Know, niggas?
I say if that was my only moneyI'd get that make a living,
right?
You would say, like nigga, youso, and it make you want to get

(01:51:51):
in your other bag.
Like nigga, but I fight againstthat Because you can.
But the bag.
You've been fighting since the90s.
Yeah, I People think it's aboutthe money.
It ain't about the money, it'sthe principle.
It ain't about that shit, it'sabout nigga.
How the fuck you going to tellme, bro, state property is me
nigga.
I'm the only nigga for real.
I'm the state property nigga.
What you talking about?
None of y'all niggas never beenupstate before.

(01:52:12):
None of y'all niggas.
None of y'all niggas to make a.
That's like we just call it thebad strippers, right, but I'm
the only one that stripped andwas bad I'm the only one in the
strip.
I'm the only one, you're a nurse, you're a secretary you're a
fucking ceo.
I'm a stripper, so we call itthe bad strippers.

(01:52:33):
Won't I be the one to make thisofficial?
No, for real, oh, all right.
So state properties.
You mean, you was up to yourstate property, kp 50, 99, cz
2234 that's my state number.
So my thing is I am state.
What the fuck are you talkingabout?
Y'all need to change the nameanyway if I ain't in it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:49):
No Mac, what's up?

Speaker 2 (01:52:50):
I've been in the federal feds for one year.
You can't be state, you gottahave at least two years, okay,
minimum.
So my thing is this Real shit,get up in the county before get
up in county property.

Speaker 1 (01:53:06):
Tell me what you like .
Don't that make sense?

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
though, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:53:09):
God right.

Speaker 2 (01:53:09):
Shit, mine is real.
No, bro, this is real shit,though that should be called
county property.

Speaker 3 (01:53:14):
County property.

Speaker 2 (01:53:16):
State road property, something like that.
You know what I?

Speaker 3 (01:53:17):
mean State road property.

Speaker 2 (01:53:20):
So the realest nigga that's in this group y'all gonna
see.
No, don't put like what's upy'all.
That made me look at y'allweird, like I mean, yeah, and I
remember I got the in 2011before I went on state.
I got made ball paid twice.
If the beans took, the moneyboy gave me the money.
The second time I came met theon del right on this block.
It's a buffet, a chinese buffetgave him all the money.
They, even though I had it youknow what I'm saying.

(01:53:40):
I'm giving.
So I'm like how the hell?
Something about me.
I'm too powerful to be aroundy'all.
That's what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:53:45):
I ain't supposed to be around y'all yo, speaking of
giving money right, turn it,turn it up me, he almost gave
our drop up.

Speaker 3 (01:53:54):
We on the dog.

Speaker 1 (01:53:55):
I want to do something for oh man, listen,
man, we gonna let you.
We all know we usually startthe show off with songs, yeah,
but we gonna do it at the endthis time.
Man, I wanna play something.
Oh, bear with us because youknow we play it through a little
system, but you gonna hear it.
I wanna play this, alright, youhear it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:27):
Meech.

Speaker 5 (01:54:27):
I see it I see that beat.

Speaker 2 (01:54:28):
Meach Other that beat .

Speaker 1 (01:54:40):
It's off the journey.

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
No, ever got paid for music ever in his life Off the
hook, shout out OG Neach BlackDe Niro.

Speaker 1 (01:54:46):
M3, my man Arlem, shout out, arlem, this the song
right here, where this guy at.
We just was talking to himabout truth, all the ones that
we can talk to.

Speaker 2 (01:54:57):
I don't know, him, but I remember they was playing,
but I wanted to be off the hook.

Speaker 6 (01:55:04):
This old part yet.

Speaker 1 (01:55:05):
We hook this old part of that.
We gonna talk till the old part.

Speaker 6 (01:55:07):
I'm a good person.
I got this shit in my phone bro.

Speaker 4 (01:55:17):
This is treasure.

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
This is almost something done, Old sleeve back
sleeve.
When he paid me, bro, I justkept counting the money.
Tell me one more Right?

Speaker 6 (01:55:29):
Go find it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:30):
Yeah, we all crooks and we do that for green hook.
We're brothers for pink,galloping Gucci sweaters for
green Off the hook jackets blackwith our sleeves.

Speaker 6 (01:55:37):
Woo, I love your hair .
I wanna be.

Speaker 1 (01:55:42):
I wanna be.
I don't remember this shit, butI knew them, I'm so in love
with this.

Speaker 2 (01:55:46):
The studio was done up with Chinese people like she
from.

Speaker 6 (01:55:48):
Delhi.

Speaker 1 (01:55:49):
This Black DeNiro right here.
It's fully Eazy-E.

Speaker 6 (01:55:54):
Damn, it's a long time ago, Damn niggas wasn't
even rapping.

Speaker 2 (01:55:58):
Niggas couldn't even write cursors.
Yet.
I don't even mean write rap,niggas, wasn't even I mean right
, right, I think it's supposedto be.

Speaker 6 (01:56:05):
I mean, where'd this 26 years ago?
Go bro 26 years ago, I heard itfirst man None of y'all could
play this Facts.

Speaker 1 (01:56:14):
None of the most could play it.
No facts.

Speaker 6 (01:56:16):
Where'd this?
26?

Speaker 1 (01:56:16):
years ago go.

Speaker 6 (01:56:18):
None of nobody, no, no other pod could play this
song but us At all Super hard tofind Shit and my phone.
This shit came out when I wasgetting beat.
My dad and mom was making me.

Speaker 3 (01:56:31):
And I'm playing it who was?

Speaker 6 (01:56:33):
listening to it again .

Speaker 3 (01:56:33):
Flashback.

Speaker 2 (01:56:35):
I remember that 500.
I couldn't believe it, bro, bro, I couldn't believe it bro.

Speaker 6 (01:56:41):
So you got paid 500?
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:46):
Then after that I got some.

Speaker 6 (01:56:47):
Jamaican boys had these songs on the radio called
Do With the Game.

Speaker 2 (01:56:50):
I appreciate you coming up the realest and most
sitting down with us giving us.
I appreciate that Houdini PC.
I'm about to go home and knockit out you can take that whole

(01:57:12):
box.
I'm a simple person, bro, I'm asimple person, like.
I mean, I'm simple bro, yeah,but you know what it be like I
be around somebody for a while.
Then we go somewhere andthey're like we'll take pictures
and all this shit, like that.
Oh, I be forgetting.
I'm like, bro, I be forgettingtoo.
You know what I mean, that shit, you know what I mean, but
because I know that don't meannothing.

Speaker 3 (01:57:30):
Yeah, that's going to be interesting.
The relationship and how youmove is everything.

Speaker 1 (01:57:36):
This might be the most interesting fast track we
ever had.

Speaker 4 (01:57:42):
What's fast track is a game we play on really the
most.
It's nothing too crazy, youjust got to pick one or the
other.

Speaker 5 (01:57:47):
All right, that's easy, so being as though we in
Philly.

Speaker 4 (01:57:53):
I kind of always start with this one, and because
it's Oskino Before you go toocrazy.

Speaker 3 (01:57:58):
I want you Because this O like you got to go back
to like I got you.
All right, alright, go aheadAlright but this still Gotta be
the first one.
Go ahead, do your thing.

Speaker 4 (01:58:10):
State property Of major figures?

Speaker 2 (01:58:12):
State property, yeah he in it, like you, even if I
wasn't in it.
Oh alright, I still gotta.

Speaker 4 (01:58:18):
Still gotta.

Speaker 2 (01:58:19):
I'm gonna relate to the struggle Than the Flashy
shit.

Speaker 5 (01:58:22):
Yeah, cause that's all Figures was on, but that was
hot as shit though, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:58:25):
Okay.
All right, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:58:35):
Now Coogee Rat or Rakim Coogee Rat, even though
people are going to say Rakimbetter, coogee Rat better than
me.

Speaker 1 (01:58:40):
Coogee Rat a better rapper than Rakim yeah me too.

Speaker 2 (01:58:45):
Oh no, they both just top tier kuji better than him,
though they top tier rock himabout this slouch slick rick and
krs1 oh, why you make, why youpunch the chair like that.
I don't know, that's a crazything I think we got a better
swag, but carol's one got thatsong love gonna get you better.
Yeah, I see carol's one,because that love gonna get you
better I don't know if you heardit before.

Speaker 5 (01:59:06):
I love it like boy that was there every bb remember
everybody, you know

Speaker 4 (01:59:10):
production that was a good one.
All right, um, okay, all right,where you going with it?
Um, and 96 right nori or macemace.

Speaker 3 (01:59:40):
He would have been like we're Norrie was Norrie had
a big year in 9-8.
9-8, I was about to say I knowwhat you're talking about.
Yeah, for real.
For real, I got some crazy shitfor it.
I got some crazy shit for it.

Speaker 2 (01:59:48):
The Beast was crazy.
But he wasn't saying nothingcould really really really like
make this problem.

Speaker 1 (01:59:53):
This is my lane.
I'm about to fuck him up.

Speaker 4 (01:59:55):
Watch this.

Speaker 1 (01:59:56):
Cam or Fab I gotta go fab, you know why.

Speaker 2 (02:00:01):
As far as bars.
As far as bars, I gotta go.
Fab Bars is insane bro.
I don't like the way he saidthis.
Let me tell you why I'm not asuper duper fab fan, because I
don't feel like he mean it, likehe got, like it's like saying
how I'm DMX, rap, dmx you feelthat?
It's still fab though, becausebars you can't just Okay, you

(02:00:23):
can't just throw Fab bars in thetrash.
Them drones is like Titanium,okay, but he might not say, but
when he's talking he be sayingEvery line, he be saying some
shit, bro.
And I don't see Cam going.
Cam is my man, yeah, but Idon't see him Going toe to toe
with fab.
Kiss her beans.

Speaker 1 (02:00:41):
Yeah, we not playing this.

Speaker 2 (02:00:43):
Vaxxed class, I mean B's, my, I got to go kiss.
Because you know why I got togo kiss.
The longevity, the longevity ofthe features.

Speaker 1 (02:00:52):
I always say it Every time we argue about Mack.
I say the longevity bro, themtwo or three albums in the
mixtape, and he's still doing itnow.

Speaker 2 (02:01:00):
And his features, bro , he got a million features, bro
I got to go kiss.
No, and it's features, bro.
He got a million features, bro,I got to go kiss.
But it's close though they bothtouch they black belts.

Speaker 1 (02:01:09):
Okay, okay, okay, r&b .

Speaker 2 (02:01:13):
You go ahead.

Speaker 3 (02:01:14):
Let's do it Hold on, I got one, I got some.

Speaker 1 (02:01:19):
That's why I stopped.
I knew he was about to do this.

Speaker 3 (02:01:22):
You know I'm going to ask, because I don't think
y'all went all the way.
I think, like Mephiman and Damnwho do?
I want to say Meph, hot Mephyeah.

Speaker 2 (02:01:38):
You got to put somebody as witty as him Like
Redman.
You got to put Redman in asmile like that.

Speaker 1 (02:01:43):
You might have got gotta put somebody in the team
woody like, like meph or I'mjust talking about like foxy
brown a little kim.

Speaker 3 (02:01:49):
Yeah, no, I was gonna go r&b then women, then we go,
a lot, we go everywhere, we goeverywhere, but damn we're going
, if you're going to do meth yougotta say, I'm gonna say I'm
gonna say like, wait, wait, wait, are you right?

Speaker 1 (02:02:03):
like odb or some.
Like you got Wait, wait, wait,you're right.
Like ODB or some shit, becauseMef ain't no regular nigga bro
Mef or Mobb Deep man, no whoProdigy or Havoc Prodigy.
I'm picking P.

Speaker 3 (02:02:16):
Mef or P.
A lot of niggas ain't betterthan Prodigy.

Speaker 2 (02:02:18):
I go.

Speaker 1 (02:02:18):
Prodigy.
Yeah, a lot of niggas ain'tbetter than him.

Speaker 2 (02:02:25):
Yo, we was arguing, I keep telling him Prodigy a
problem bro, I keep telling him

Speaker 3 (02:02:28):
bro, listen, listen, that's a Philly one, but that's
like.

Speaker 4 (02:02:33):
Alright, I was wrong.

Speaker 5 (02:02:35):
Prodigy was a fucking problem, I like my beef?

Speaker 2 (02:02:40):
Who was?
We was arguing.

Speaker 3 (02:02:42):
Muffin, man don't say no crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:02:43):
Muffin man flow is crazy.
He don't really say nothing.
Crazy, yeah, he don't.
You said Prodigy, listen.
Muffin man don't say no crazy.
Muffin man flow is crazy.
Yeah, he don't really saynothing.
Crazy.
Yeah, he don't say shit likeProdigy.

Speaker 1 (02:02:47):
It's his voice.
It's his voice.
And Muffin man who said Prodigywasn't better than and I cursed
him out for 30 minutes.

Speaker 3 (02:03:04):
You're not better than a lot of niggas.
A lot when jay-z and pun andall them was the problem
diplomats yes, diplomats are gunit we're gonna say

Speaker 5 (02:03:19):
that he is.

Speaker 1 (02:03:22):
He is Diplomats of G-Unit.
I said diplomats.
Yeah, I told him, bro, that'seasy though.

Speaker 2 (02:03:28):
You got what.

Speaker 6 (02:03:28):
I'm saying Fucking twin raider.

Speaker 2 (02:03:30):
I told you you want to keep it real.
Listen, I think listen.

Speaker 1 (02:03:36):
What's the?

Speaker 2 (02:03:36):
boy, tony Banks.
Louis Banks, no, no, no, theLouis Banks is a problem, tony
Ayo you saying they didn't saythat he rap better?
Than everybody.
He rap better than all of them,everybody in that group he rap
better than Juelz Santana is theone over.

Speaker 5 (02:03:51):
And they got.

Speaker 2 (02:03:51):
Cam though.

Speaker 1 (02:03:52):
So they got the two, and Jim Jones is one of the
hottest rappers now.

Speaker 2 (02:03:57):
We supposed to be doing a joint together too, say
the guy we just heard.
Bro Big Pun or Prodigy bro, Igotta go Big Pun, bro bro.
Oh no, not me.
Big Pun is a problem.

Speaker 3 (02:04:08):
Not me.
It's also 100 pounds.
I'm trying to live you knowwhat you gotta do?

Speaker 2 (02:04:11):
You gotta listen to Big Pun freestyles, yeah that
thing's real Off styles, bro, Iremember.

Speaker 6 (02:04:16):
I first saw Big Pun.

Speaker 2 (02:04:17):
He wasn't that fat.
I was correctioning Yo, he was.
He says my man fat joe splitsomething that starts rapping.
I said oh my god, who the isthat like?
That thing is crazy.
You know you don't rap like him.
He's like an older version ofkenji lamar bro get the out of

(02:04:37):
here.
Yep, for real bro that you guyslisten, because he might say
people might make it like it'sso deep, right, you know how?
Better than King Loose to me.
What's the nigga name?
What's?
The nigga's name Bad Boy LooseKing.

Speaker 3 (02:04:55):
Loose.

Speaker 2 (02:04:56):
King Loose better than King Loose to me we got the
same style too.

Speaker 3 (02:05:00):
You know what you got to listen to it.
You got to listen to it.

Speaker 2 (02:05:05):
People just go by the fame.

Speaker 6 (02:05:06):
People go by the fame .
I listen to Lowe's.
I know Lowe's it's the Lekkersongs.

Speaker 1 (02:05:10):
It's the Lekker albums, it's the Lekker projects
.
Lowe's got to give me a projector two, you're right.
You're right.
You're not about to tell me thenigga who made Good Kid.

Speaker 2 (02:05:19):
I'm not, I'm not, it can't be.
Nah, feel me yeah.
To me, music is subjective,just strictly right.

Speaker 1 (02:05:27):
Oh, we tripping.

Speaker 2 (02:05:28):
Rockafella Music is subjective.
I mean Murder.

Speaker 1 (02:05:29):
Inc or Rough Riders.

Speaker 2 (02:05:30):
Oh, you're Rough Riders, rough Riders.
Yeah, I'm tripping, even if Iwasn't.

Speaker 1 (02:05:43):
They got too much singing, while Rocky followed
along For a little bit.

Speaker 2 (02:05:45):
They was Yo Ja Rule at the time.
Ja Rule might have been thesame as Hoveth at one time.

Speaker 6 (02:05:50):
I'm trying to tell you I didn't like the meet Ja
Rule, not Murder Inc.

Speaker 3 (02:05:54):
Ashanti Bro, what are you talking about?
It wasn't my style, though Oneof the best R.

Speaker 2 (02:06:00):
What are you talking?

Speaker 3 (02:06:00):
about Beyonce better than no man.
Beyonce over Beyonce.
I didn't even say Beyonce.

Speaker 1 (02:06:06):
Beyonce got Beyonce, rihanna got Beyonce to me.

Speaker 2 (02:06:11):
Rihanna, the boss yeah she the best.
Rihanna the boss.

Speaker 1 (02:06:14):
But one gotta go we gonna do one gotta go.

Speaker 3 (02:06:17):
We should have did that.
Well, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (02:06:18):
Yeah, one gotta go All right, boom, we gonna start
it.
Because started, because, no,we ain't got to take p out for
everyone this is much betterthan you know I got everyone so
how the prince?

Speaker 2 (02:06:29):
huh, so how the prince, I got him over kendrick
to me and they they own type ofstyles side of princess.
All right, yeah, that's, that'sright, I don't know him.
I probably don't know you whatare you talking about?

Speaker 1 (02:06:41):
you tripping?
You know, who they say there'sa problem too, that people don't
know my son.

Speaker 2 (02:06:44):
He said like nobody was better.
You know who they say was aproblem too that people don't
know my son.

Speaker 1 (02:06:48):
He said like nobody was better than him at a point,
my son, Big ass nose, he was hotback then he was in New York.
I peep, he was there.
Look, we ain't got to take Pout.
That's how old school he is.
We ain't got to take P out.
But first we're going to do thePhilly one, the era.

(02:07:08):
We ain't got to say whatever.
Nh, meek Reed, joey Jahad.

Speaker 4 (02:07:14):
One got to go, one got to go.
I can't do it.
No, you got to go.
You got to go.

Speaker 3 (02:07:22):
You got to do it.
Everybody skip.
You got one of them gotta go.

Speaker 1 (02:07:26):
We about to make history.

Speaker 2 (02:07:27):
Osa.

Speaker 3 (02:07:27):
I can't do it.
He'll never say no shit likethat.
Read, read, read, joe Jahan,it'll be Reed.
Everybody say it, I say it too.
I say Reed too.

Speaker 2 (02:07:41):
I say Reed not because I really believe problem
.

Speaker 1 (02:07:44):
I was talking about he probably rapped better than
all of them, but he not like.
It's the that era.
That's why I say the era.
Yeah, NH can definitely go.
Yeah, NH cannot go, Me cannotgo Me cannot go.
And.

Speaker 5 (02:07:56):
Joey Jahan was the main title of all of them.

Speaker 1 (02:08:00):
They killed us in the comments.

Speaker 5 (02:08:04):
We asked another rapper that day.

Speaker 1 (02:08:05):
They said how the fuck he got it going.
He the best, he started allthis shit.

Speaker 5 (02:08:08):
Listen, listen.

Speaker 2 (02:08:12):
Reed was out before he was on Too Raw.
None of them was on Too Raw.

Speaker 3 (02:08:16):
He started everybody on this shit.

Speaker 2 (02:08:18):
My man, my man, my man, my man, he made everybody
get on dog food, bro, bro.

Speaker 3 (02:08:22):
I know I agree with that, but you get on dog food,
bro.

Speaker 2 (02:08:24):
Bro, I know, but you know what happened to have more
read this.
What happened, I think?
I think from look outside,looking at, I think he got
popping too fast.

Speaker 3 (02:08:29):
The white boy, the white boy.

Speaker 1 (02:08:30):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no no no, no, no,no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no.

Speaker 2 (02:08:35):
He said ain't nothing , shout out my man I think that
made him feel like, like he said, ain't nothing worse than an
early win?

Speaker 4 (02:08:41):
yeah, that's what he's saying.
Nothing worse than an early win.

Speaker 2 (02:08:45):
That's what he said when you really write raps and
you really rap.
Even if you win or you lose,you'll always rap.
You'll be putting shit out.
You'll always do it.
I was getting money.
I didn't have to do it at all,but I did it because that's what
I do.
If you don't, it should bespinning around in your head.

Speaker 3 (02:09:00):
It's never over.

Speaker 4 (02:09:03):
Reed gotta go, read gotta go.
Yeah, read gotta go MH.

Speaker 1 (02:09:05):
Meek Read Hattie RA Beck Gotta do another one man.
Nah, he's so old school.
We ain't gotta take P out,cause we said we was gonna take
P out, but we don't Right this,everything, bro.
So if you pick him, everythingthey ever did is washed.
Alright, gotta go.
Master P P, that's P, it's allbusiness.

(02:09:25):
All these CEOs, yeah, no, no,no everything, but all the shit
they go through in life aside,like we talking about just them.
Entertainment Master P P, diddyright, birdman and Dr Dre.
Master P gotta go alright, yeah,he like he Birdman can't go
cause I know Drake and Nicky andyou know Master P Gotta go.

(02:09:45):
Alright, yeah, he like heBirdman can't go because I know.

Speaker 2 (02:09:48):
Drake and Nicki, and You're on point.

Speaker 5 (02:09:50):
Yeah, man.

Speaker 2 (02:09:51):
Dr Drake can't go.
You got Snoop Uncle SnoopAftermath 50, eminem.
Yeah, he definitely can't go.
So like yeah, there's nowhere.

Speaker 1 (02:10:00):
And then Diddy definitely can't go.

Speaker 2 (02:10:02):
He's a locks Biggie Smart, my favorite rapper.

Speaker 1 (02:10:05):
So who would you pick if I substituted Master P with
Jermaine Dupri?

Speaker 2 (02:10:10):
Jermaine Dupri, I'd go.
Jermaine Dupri, I'd go, bro.
Oh no, bow Wow Brat, they allgot to go, they got to go.
No disrespect to them.
Mariah Carey, they got to go,they all gotta go, they all
gotta go.
Mariah Carey gave.

Speaker 1 (02:10:24):
Jay-Z, his first number one Motherfuckers been
forgiven they all gotta go,mariah.

Speaker 4 (02:10:28):
Carey gave Jay-Z his first number one.

Speaker 2 (02:10:30):
That's what I'm saying, bro.
She got to go, he went and gother.
He went and got Annie, if hedidn't get that, but they still
gotta go.

Speaker 4 (02:10:37):
He went and got Annie .

Speaker 3 (02:10:40):
That's what I bro bro .
You gotta go, you gotta go, allright all right, all right boom
, all right look.

Speaker 2 (02:10:51):
He got, Jermaine Dupri got, he got a go.
No, he do got a go though.

Speaker 1 (02:10:57):
He got a go he do.

Speaker 2 (02:10:58):
That's my man, that's my man.

Speaker 1 (02:10:59):
All right now, I like you ready you ready All right
Eve, you ready, you ready Allright Eve.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:11:10):
Eve.
We going there, we're goingthere.

Speaker 1 (02:11:12):
Miss.

Speaker 3 (02:11:13):
Jade Uh-huh, we going there, we going there.

Speaker 2 (02:11:16):
Bianca, and they definitely ain't Miss Jade,
definitely Nina Ross.
Ooh, miss Jade and Nina Rossare the two best girl rappers
I've ever heard in my life.
So they can't, both can't go atall, alright so that means we
already know that.

Speaker 1 (02:11:28):
So between.

Speaker 2 (02:11:28):
Eve and Bianca, right Eve and.

Speaker 1 (02:11:29):
Bianca.

Speaker 3 (02:11:30):
Mmm.

Speaker 2 (02:11:31):
Bianca was nice.
Bianca was super nice, yes.
Shout out Lil T too.
Eve is iconic, though Lil T wasnice too Gotta be.
Don't give a fuck about thesongs and all that shit.
I'm talking about songs and allthat shit.
I ain't trying to tell you noneof that shit.
Miss J and Nina Ross is better.
I like Nina Ross number one forreal, but they both.

(02:11:52):
It's a song.
It's a song.
They both the same, they bothperfect Both of them.
But in the first lyrics andcome to rap and just rap it.
So you get in Bianca out hereand I hate to say that, but
because she won against Eve,because Regina and they are
immunity, they can't, they can't.

Speaker 1 (02:12:13):
Fuck it, we going there.
Foxy brown little Kim NickiMinaj Want me help you go ahead.
One foxy brown little Kim NickiMinaj who?
No, that's too new.
Nah, foxy Brown Lil' Kim NickiMinaj.

Speaker 3 (02:12:34):
I'ma get freaky, I'ma oh shit.

Speaker 1 (02:12:37):
I didn't say her Damn .
Foxy Brown, Nicki Minaj, LaurynHill.

Speaker 2 (02:12:44):
Lil' Kim.

Speaker 4 (02:12:47):
Lauryn Hill.

Speaker 2 (02:12:47):
Nicki Minaj gotta go.

Speaker 3 (02:12:50):
I'm not going to wear Foxy Brown.

Speaker 2 (02:12:55):
I'm going to wear little Kim.
I'm not going to wear FoxyBrown, I'm going to wear got
immunity.
So between, because you must be, because you was trying to
young, no, I was the fur.

Speaker 1 (02:13:05):
The fur ain't no, niggas no, but I don't know
Because you must be, because youwas trying to young?

Speaker 2 (02:13:11):
no, listen, I'm saying no, nigga.
Was that what?
Jay-z came out, that was agreat song.
With the Versace t-shirt on,yeah, I mean y'all probably was

(02:13:31):
like two or three, oh, they likethat song.
That song, that song was theshit in the streets.
That shit was like yo, listen,listen, listen, listen, listen,
listen, listen, listen listen,listen, listen, listen listen,
listen, listen, listen, listen,listen, listen, listen, listen,

(02:13:58):
listen, listen listen listen,listen, listen, listen, listen,
listen, listen, listen listenlisten listen, listen I don't

Speaker 1 (02:14:04):
know who does that.
I don't know who does that.
I ain't write that you don'tknow, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (02:14:06):
Shut your mouth.
Shut your mouth.
Listen Lauryn Hill.
The score is the biggest rapselling was the biggest rap ever
.
I mean so like, but Lauryn Hillis iconic.
She like, she passed music.

Speaker 3 (02:14:15):
We love Lauryn Hill.
Shout out to Lauryn.

Speaker 2 (02:14:23):
Yeah it than everybody that shit she did on
that.
Uh man, who you picking man?
I was already Nicki Minaj.
Gotta go Get Nicki Minaj.
She gotta get her shit shegotta go.
Bro, Bro.

Speaker 6 (02:14:31):
Yes, I'm old school.
Foxy gotta go, bro, not for me.

Speaker 2 (02:14:35):
Yeah, that's who you pick.
I ain't a doll why you answerwhat you want.
The name of no Foxy albumsknown.
Bro, she got known albums I'mtrying to see if we knew Listen
but I think this is what I thinkI understand when I'm young.

Speaker 1 (02:14:45):
Listen when I'm young .
Listen when I'm young.

Speaker 2 (02:14:47):
I don't name my album when I'm young, I ain't listen
to girl rappers.
I'm not going to listen to nofucking Right, right, right Lil'
Kim.
I like Lil' Kim because I likedher and it wasn't that much.
I liked her, liked her,everybody liked her.
Run to Lil' Kim.
I mean we ain't going to fuckabout what she was saying.

Speaker 6 (02:15:10):
She want to suck some dick all the time.

Speaker 2 (02:15:11):
She want to suck some dick and all she like that
Nicki Minaj and Lauryn Hill.
Yeah, Foxy got to go.

Speaker 5 (02:15:18):
The teenagers.

Speaker 2 (02:15:19):
You like that, bro?
Listen Foxy, foxy, foxy he holdon to it, you know what.
Who was really eating the box,though I don't know, but I know
she was fucking smoking shit.
No, she was smoking shit, bro,for real.

Speaker 1 (02:15:30):
Bro.
She was in the fire, bro.
They said who was writing forher, and all that though.

Speaker 2 (02:15:33):
I don't know, but girls with girls, I don't know
who was.
Yeah, you know what I meanGirls.

Speaker 1 (02:15:36):
I've never heard in my life, but they said she
wasn't writing her shit.
Kim too, though, lil'.

Speaker 3 (02:15:41):
Kim wasn't writing her shit either.
That's why Nicki, over all ofthem?

Speaker 1 (02:15:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:15:45):
Safaree said he was up and writing her shit too.

Speaker 3 (02:15:47):
I don't know they said the Fugees was writing
Lauren's shit.

Speaker 2 (02:15:50):
Listen listen, listen , everything coming out, that's
what I'm saying.
That don't count.
She delivered the best.

Speaker 3 (02:16:02):
She was somewhere being dirty.

Speaker 2 (02:16:03):
She wasn't even born, yet Foxy Brown was holding it
down for the bitches Heavy Withthe firm Bro, with Nas and AZ.

Speaker 1 (02:16:11):
Nicki was born, yet when they was ripping her off.

Speaker 2 (02:16:13):
But listen if you say now you should put Nicki with
Cardi B.

Speaker 3 (02:16:15):
I'm going to keep it real.
Foxy was the rapper.

Speaker 1 (02:16:19):
You think Nicki belonged with?
No slouch.
No, but Nikki, Bro.
Nikki, Moment for life.
And all that was 08, 010, 011.

Speaker 2 (02:16:28):
Like Nikki is my bitch, my mom's got two desks
Listen there's no girls to goagainst her, but Cardi B, that's
what I'm saying, no matter whatshe came out.
No, cardi, she way better whatyou talking about right now?
What you talking about?
No, ken, nobody.
I'm sorry, subjective, I mean,I don't know by better dinner.

Speaker 3 (02:16:50):
She was going against nobody, so you gotta wait to
fuck Cardi B.

Speaker 2 (02:16:53):
The only person came along that was like the same
thing, make her number one,though.
For Erica's was no, Mike, oh no, but she had the shit though,
but she looked good too.
Looks mean a lot for girl.

Speaker 1 (02:17:03):
She's better than them the way, I'm hearing it no,
and we had, we got oscino theway I'm hearing it now.
Nikki minaj is the only personthat I didn't hear rumors about
her not writing her raps.

Speaker 2 (02:17:16):
I mean we heard it, I heard it no, no, no, no no
safari made songs.

Speaker 1 (02:17:22):
It's a difference.
I'm talking about verse Pin onpage they saying that she right,
nicki, don't get into that, broCardi B admitted it.

Speaker 2 (02:17:30):
But what I'm saying, my thing is this I fucking with
Minaj.
But that song, that one verse,what's that verse?
I fucking like.
What's that song.
I like that she did Rememberthat verse that she did.

Speaker 3 (02:17:41):
I kept talking about Monsters, Monsters.
That's the craziest, that'sright there.
Right there was.
I was like she got it.

Speaker 2 (02:17:46):
I like the way Foxy Brown used to say her shit.
The way she used to be sayingit, it was unorthodox for a girl
to be rapping like that.
Then she was going against Lil'Kim.
They was like did they havethat shit?
That shit was great, bro.
I don't even listen to girlsrap shit.
So, lola, this whole area isdifferent.

Speaker 3 (02:18:03):
You know the girl I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (02:18:04):
Shout out to her, though.
Girls took over right now theydefinitely got the game on smash
.

Speaker 1 (02:18:10):
Yo, you want me to another thing Before we get out
of here.
When you was all over Flamerstoo, bro, you was like my
favorite rapper For like twoyears.
I just had to add that you wason them features.
Like you was trying to like Pro, trying to make this shit 99
again, bro.
I'm trying to tell you, bro,that shit was bad bro, that's

(02:18:32):
what messed me up when I cameout of prison.

Speaker 2 (02:18:34):
I'm thinking, because me and me got 20 songs together
, right, I'm thinking, bro,you're going to put me.
I mean, you got songs that wason the radio all day, every day,
probably mean.
But but at the time flamers 2came out, that was the hottest
cd I heard in like far as peopleplaying it.
You know since, like probablythat's the old part two and
beanstone beans, uh, mixtapegoing, but that's the thing,

(02:18:55):
probably the three top joints asfar as see.
People don't probably remembermy second journal because it was
so long ago.
That was crazy.
It made me put out all the restof them.
That shit made me so much money.
But flamers 2 when I seenflamers 2, that's the first time
I felt like damn shiteverywhere.
I'm on every fucking car, bro,that's like even had a record
deal already.

(02:19:15):
So, like that.
So like a lot of times peoplesay, like you know, I put help
me, that shit helped me too.
That should help me, becauseI'm not gonna, because I'm not
gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (02:19:22):
When I was saying a d night, that's when I knew your
name was oskino yeah, becausethat's what I said.

Speaker 3 (02:19:28):
This helped me out it was a mixture, it was a little
confusion you had to figure itout, do you think?

Speaker 1 (02:19:32):
it made me know younger people too that would
probably wouldn't know you thinkthat it was a album or a
mixtape in the city, yet sinceflamer's too big, is that?

Speaker 2 (02:19:42):
no, not to me because he had one song that I play
every day, living at the speedof life.

Speaker 1 (02:19:46):
I'm so fly living at the speed alive.

Speaker 2 (02:19:48):
Yeah, that's the bro.
I had a push truck.
I should be doing 90 in thatevery time you know that's bob
on that hook, marty gold I ain'tgonna lie, that was one of them
, but I know I never knew thatwas something like this like you
didn't know that to them yeahthat's the other thing.

Speaker 3 (02:20:02):
You ain't know that to them.

Speaker 1 (02:20:04):
Yeah, that's BOB, no no, no, everybody don't know
that he wasn't marked.

Speaker 3 (02:20:08):
Oh, I was about to say I didn't know that I knew
that, yes, it is, it's not, no,it's not.
And if it do.

Speaker 2 (02:20:14):
It's outdated, that shit.
Did not say BOB bro.

Speaker 3 (02:20:22):
I knew it was.

Speaker 1 (02:20:23):
BOB?
I don't even know.
I'm telling you all that shitain't BOB.
That's why.

Speaker 3 (02:20:26):
Meek was working with TI.

Speaker 2 (02:20:28):
BOB was signed to TI.
We know that I didn't even knowwho BOB was back then, so I
wouldn't even know.
Oh, you, oh, listen.

Speaker 4 (02:20:46):
Flamers 2 came out before BOB shit, don't BOB me,
bring your own beer or some shitlike that.

Speaker 2 (02:20:48):
That's BYOB.
Oh, what the fuck he had asingle out on Jamf.
What the fuck is that BOB?
And the fuck is that bro Yolisten, man Yo listen.

Speaker 1 (02:20:54):
No, it said, that's YouTube nigga.

Speaker 6 (02:20:57):
Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 (02:21:08):
Yeah, he going to, but yo man, oh ski, no bass
class man Last week took theshocker up in the lights.

Speaker 3 (02:21:12):
That's why I don't like y'all, because y'all be
playing.
I'm picking, I'm picking.

Speaker 2 (02:21:41):
Other than.

Speaker 5 (02:21:42):
Texas when it came out about going to white school,
though he was the band.

Speaker 2 (02:21:44):
That beat was like der der der der der.
No, I know, I know.
Listen, as soon as you hearthat beat der der der der der
he's like ah, that shit was,that shit was.
But tell him, don't play withsilk.
You know what's the problemwhen Vanilla Ice was out MC
Hammer, MC Hammer.

Speaker 4 (02:22:37):
MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice was like this.
So the shock I was a no limit.

Speaker 2 (02:22:41):
Feature Y'all lying.
Who Suck the sucker?
Oh well.

Speaker 1 (02:22:44):
All right, that's it.
We saying it crazy.
No, suck the sucker.
No disrespect to you, brother,I'm just saying.
I'm just saying bro.

Speaker 4 (02:22:49):
Oh this shit going to get out?
I'm fucking around.
Definitely sick.
Shout out to all the you washorrible bro.

Speaker 3 (02:23:00):
Shout out to all the names we mentioned.

Speaker 2 (02:23:01):
It was Listen, reed, you're my man.
Who you say Reed Dollaz?
Oh, reed, reed, he family ofthe show.

Speaker 3 (02:23:08):
No, no, no, that's what I'm saying.
He family of the show.
He already know what it is, butno, you don't know because I
don't Coming from Philly, I mean.
I take that shit personally.

Speaker 2 (02:23:18):
We take Philly personally too, Not heavy and
natured me, though me though yougotta get the fuck out of here.
They're my fucking real love ofbrothers in real life like that
man.

Speaker 3 (02:23:27):
That's what I mean, yo man.

Speaker 4 (02:23:28):
Philly's serious man we appreciate you man.
We appreciate you, old man.

Speaker 1 (02:23:30):
Pure fuel, shout out, pure Fuel, man.

Speaker 2 (02:23:32):
Shout out those sponsors, shout out Pure Fuel
man and shout out the Plant Face.
I want to shout out one person.
I want to shout out Go ahead,because I know Miss Rocky too.

Speaker 1 (02:23:41):
We love Rocky man.
I was about to name her, butshe ain't go.

Speaker 3 (02:23:44):
Y'all know, y'all ain't go.

Speaker 2 (02:23:46):
Yo listen, she ain't go new school with him at all.

Speaker 3 (02:23:48):
She a problem yo, she a problem, y'all ain't go new
school with him at all.

Speaker 5 (02:23:51):
For some of the young guys or the females, Rocky a
problem man.

Speaker 4 (02:23:54):
For the young guys, yeah, but we up.

Speaker 3 (02:24:07):
You talking about, like the, I got to be holding
them down.
I mean we want Rocky up hereASAP.
We want Meatball up here ASAP.
All of them is overdue.

Speaker 2 (02:24:11):
We want all the females in the city just doing
some ASAP.
We probably can get all becausethey all be together.
Yeah, yeah, I got a picture ofall of them because our
birthdays are around the sametime, so last year our birthday.
That would be a crazy show ifthey slide here.
Yeah, so, like you mean,that'll be good look.
My ceiling dumb, hold it thereand then they like they got
different personalities, butlike rocky, aggressive, and

(02:24:32):
James, quiet, aggressive, andNina Ross is like this, like the
but them in the booth.
They did a project, somethingever to be over, to be over.
I think the whole city wouldget behind.

Speaker 4 (02:24:43):
Yeah.
I know, you got crazyrelationship all with all of
them.
Yeah, I know you got a crazyrelationship with all of them.
Yeah, yeah, help us get them uphere.
Yeah, just call them.

Speaker 1 (02:24:48):
Just call me Shane, so look what?
No, that's what I said.

Speaker 4 (02:24:50):
I just called them.

Speaker 3 (02:24:52):
All right, I just want to let y'all know.
Man, this is a crazy episode.
We got to have a part two.
For sure you know what I aboutthe freestyles and all this
stuff that we got going on andthe artists that we even know.
We got going on, you knowalready two and a half and damn
there we out of here, manbrother, the most podcast I'm

(02:25:13):
roller I'm out of world cashwhite boy d2a and we got.
Oh yeah, man make sure y'alltapping the oh man, all the
music, tell music.
Tell them what you got going onright now.

Speaker 2 (02:25:25):
CD Buddy come out.
State Property 3.
That's what it is, oh shit.

Speaker 6 (02:25:29):
He said it.
He said it, we're out man StateProperty 3.

Speaker 1 (02:25:34):
We got it.
We got it.

Speaker 3 (02:25:35):
State Property 3, man , that's the Rally, the.

Speaker 2 (02:25:38):
Moose podcast.

Speaker 6 (02:25:47):
That shit going to fuck.
I'm having a depression on you,meow.
Really the Moose Podcast.

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