Ooh Behaveee ft. Big Ooh | RTM PODCAST | SZN 2 EP 19 - Realer Than Most Podcast

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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Really the Moose Podcast, most podcast it's the

(00:40):
real of the most podcast.
I'm ruler.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
I'm out of world cash .
I'm white boy d2a today we gota special guest in the building.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
You know what I'm saying.
I want to say they go yeah,like it's certain guys like all
that you know, like since, since2000, 2001, right, you feel me.
Facts before dvds, you meanfacts.
This is gone, tapes like realtapes and all that but you know

(01:13):
we big on mental health up here,oh yeah, and we start the pod
off by asking everybody how theydoing.
So we gonna start with Coletoday, so we're going to start
with Cole today.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, man, how you feeling?
Man?
I really want to say I feelreal cool today, man.
It was a nice day, weather wasnice, you know what I'm saying
Thugger, thugger free.
I'm going to say it again.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
You know what I?

Speaker 2 (01:40):
mean Thug free Blessings.
I don't know, man, it was agood day for me.
How you feeling.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
How you feeling, white boy, how you feeling white
boy.
I feel good bro, we got U.
I got U next to me.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, this shit ready to go down.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
I feel good.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I ain't going to lie man.
I'm on like a journey right nowwhere I'm trying to sharpen all
the steel it is to be sharpened.
You know what I'm saying?
Like everything that, like inmy life I feel like has set me
back in the long run, or even acouple months down the line, or
anything, I feel like I'm justtrying to fix it, like diet

(02:28):
working out, I mean art, alltypes of stuff.
So that's really how I'mfeeling right now.
I'm just trying to sharpen allthe steel that need to be
sharpened.
I mean how you feeling.

Speaker 5 (02:39):
oh, I'm with you, a thousand percent man.
I'm just we happy to be a manof a day, another dollar man.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Yeah, fight different round.

Speaker 5 (02:47):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, yeah, y'all know how we get it, man, let's
go away boy All right.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
So you know we got big who in the building.
And up here we do our duediligence, like and like we be
already knowing who the guestsare, because, like we be like we
like the real hip hop heads andlike the now culture.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
So we be doing these joints so that way, like the
audience could get like a clearview, and I mean like a nice
whole full interview or likejust a vibe.
I mean so they could and andknow why you up here.
While we got you up here, howdope we think you are so big?
Who where you from?

Speaker 5 (03:30):
I'm from trenton, new jersey man, about 30 minutes
from the city cousins rightacross the bridge, right up the
block same shit, just different,you know, yeah, different
language, but all the same shit,right?

Speaker 3 (03:43):
right for sure, growing up in trenton dang,
that's not an easy place to comeout of, for sure, I mean that's
just not.
And so, growing up in Trenton,just give me a few of your
influence growing up and when Isay influences, I don't mean
like the people you see right onTV and shit like that.
I'm talking about like thepeople that's like even right in

(04:04):
your spot or like right outsidethe spot.
Give me a couple of them.
A few of them.

Speaker 5 (04:09):
I mean, you know, unfortunately, man, we was
influenced by all the wrong shit.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
You understand what.

Speaker 5 (04:13):
I'm saying so, you know, from the porch.
We was influenced, of course,by the hustlers, niggas that had
the big cars, had the all thepretty women from the front seat
.
That was a fascination for anigga, that was a desire for a
nigga.
You wanted to be that,unfortunately, I say
unfortunately, because later on,as we journey through life and

(04:33):
we become men and understandthat some of the guys we put on
pedestals is really pieces ofshit.
Back door niggas that was aroundthem did all types of
underhanded things, had no moralcompass, no integrity, did
anything for the dollar.
But us, being kids, we wasattracted to the shiny shit, the
material shit.
You understand what I'm saying?
No, question you know what Imean.
I'll tell the young niggas nowlike it's a nigga getting up 5

(04:55):
o'clock in the morning beforethe sun come up on your block
you should be looking up toright now, because that's a
nigga.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
That's really really on man shit.
They be the real man youunderstand what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (05:04):
He'll phone call away if the family needs some.
He checking on grandma once aweek.
You understand what I'm saying.
Yeah, he making sure therefrigerator full.
That's man.
That's the shit you reallysupposed to be like.
Damn, that's real man shit.
You know what I mean.
But yeah, my influences rapwise coming up in the city was
guys like Don Black, my man, DonBlack, Shout Out to Black.
He was like one of the guysterrorizing the mixtape scene

(05:26):
with Doo Wop.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
Bounce.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
Squad.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
He signed to MCA.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
He from around my way , Guys like Goldfingers.
He was signed to Nori.
He on the Reunion album.
My man, mike Meles, was signedto Soul Life Atlantic.
Sunshine Anderson All theseguys was some trend.
I was seeing them firsthand.
All of them was like big bros.
So seeing them firsthandwalking the same streets as them
you know what I mean beingaround them and then seeing them
turn up young was likeconfirmation for me.

(05:52):
Like you know what I'm saying,I could do this shit Like Fatal.
You know.
God bless the dead Fatal fromthe Outlaws from around my pop
way.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Right.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
So I will always see the outlaws on the weekend, like
when I went to my pop crib.
Fatal might spin through withFoxy in the car.
It is what it is Fire.
But just you know them seedslike that, just planted them
seeds early on.
You know what?

Speaker 3 (06:13):
I mean yeah, yeah, okay, that's dope bro.
Shout out to Jaheim too.
So growing up with the localrappers in Trenton as early
influences and then you growinginto liking music and doing
music and those were your firstinfluences in music as well.

Speaker 5 (06:36):
Yeah, I'd say, jaheim was probably one of my first
influences.
I was probably a nigga, I seenfirsthand.
You know what I'm saying,really, like you know, seeing a
nigga ride through and do a ridethrough singing and do an armed
robbery and ride off singingwas like some movie shit you
talking about Jaheim, thatsinger.

Speaker 3 (06:53):

Speaker 5 (06:54):
Yeah, Like it was like some movie shit.
So wait, you say, he what?
No, that nigga was like.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
I heard them stories too.
He was on some shit, yeah, Iheard that too.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
Yeah, he was on some shit, but he always sung His
whole family sung, his wholefamily sing, rather.
So the nigga literally ride upsinging like through an armed
robbery.
Ride off sound, you know whatI'm saying.
Like that nigga was really intosome shit?

Speaker 1 (07:17):
No, real shit.

Speaker 5 (07:20):
No real shit, but I mean.
The thing about it was I was akid being around them niggas
right, and I remember that niggaplaying his first single on
tape, rob.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Markman.

Speaker 5 (07:28):
Right Lil Jon, him being like yo, I just signed
this deal with KG from Naughty.
By Nature, this is about to bemy first single.
I don't know what that means.
Then I remember coming homefrom school one day watching one
of those Sister Park new jointof the day, and from areas where
we don't see niggas make itvery often, we don't see success

(07:50):
very often.
So if we don't have them, earlyexamples of greatness, that
shit keep a nigga pushing toknow that I could do this shit.
I just seen my man make it.
I just seen my other man makeit, I just seen Fado in.
Then I'm riding my Popway.
I'm seeing Black in theprojects one day.
Then I'm seeing them on TV.
You understand what I'm saying,you need all that, rob Markman.
It's like it's a sense ofdirection.
Yeah, you need all that,Because what it does to the

(08:11):
nigga watching, the young niggaswatching, it's like I could do
that too.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Rob Markman yeah, so that Okay.
So watching Jaheim and you gota front row seat to watching him
get on and that's inspirationalfor you to see him get on.
What gave you or what age wasthat where you started to play
around with music and spark todo music?

Speaker 5 (08:38):
I started fucking around early.
My cousin got shot and came tostay with us from North Carolina
and he put me on to like WuTang and like Muddy Waters and
shit Redman, shit right.
And I remember back in the dayyou used to buy the single CD.
It had the dirty version, theclean version, the instrumental
on that, motherfucker.
I had the little radio.
We went radio to radio.

(08:59):
You know how that shit startedfor me.
So like you know what I meanmean radio to radio, little
freestyle tapes then, ciphers inthe park lunchroom and all that
.
You know what I mean right youwent through.
You kind of like, like when Iwas growing up, you had to go
through the ranks right now justget in the studio, put a song.
I'll get some artwork done.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Drop a video and you had to really earn the respect
yeah, because I think that's howlike, that's how like they um
were like coming up, that's howthey like waved it out, so like,
if you was asked, they tellingyou yo, you, you should, you you
gotta go home, work on your orjust stop rapping right now.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
I mean so that you either stop rapping or you went
home and work on your and I'mgonna keep it real, though, when
you you jumped in one of theciphers and they get no reaction
, that was them telling youwithout telling you, yeah, hell
yeah, yeah, yeah, you know whatI'm saying.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
You just watch one for the book, that's nasty work
right there Go crazy foreverybody else.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
And then you start, you let your clip go and the
nigga don't say nothing.
That's nasty work.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, man Rap discipline.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Alright so Trenton, New Jersey, you know, because
I'm familiar with New Jersey nowbecause I went to school out
Trenton.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
This nigga went to school in Trenton.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah, last year I tried to do CDL and all that.
I went to school in Trenton andthey was explaining everything
to me like how Trenton is andhow it separated East, whatever
the projects and all that.
So how was it like?
Because they said it was likereal bad.

(10:39):
Like when it come to gangs,they said it was real bad.
So how did that influenced yougrowing up?

Speaker 5 (10:46):
Good question bro For me, right when the gang culture
hit my whole neighborhood wason that shit, like we seen
Gangland when they did theGangland shit in China.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
All that shit was like based on my neighborhood.

Speaker 5 (10:59):
You feel what I'm saying.
So like I mean it just was whatit was at that time.
Unfortunately, you know we'veseen a lot of people die, We've
seen a lot of niggas go to jail.
That should just shook the citylike upside down.
The city small, seven pointfive miles.
So any times a wave comethrough and it's a negativity

(11:19):
wave is going to hit hard.
It's a positive wave, Whatevercome through, is going to hit
hard because we so small andit's so intimate.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Trenton, like South Philly, Ithink, probably like you could
put like just South Philly.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
That's crazy.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
That shit came through, shook the city up, man.
Unfortunately, you know what Imean.
People still think it's likethat to this day, like I'm mad
for Philly with just something Iwaited every day.
He's like I ain't on no gangblocking.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
I'm like nah, niggas ain't off that shit, that shit
over.
You know what I mean?
No, because it was on gang, itwas just a wave man.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
It was a wave.
Yeah, it was a wave.
It lasted for some years, doneyou know what?
I'm saying, like the paper didit, the paper did an issue in
the paper but they had, likeeverybody face that died like
gang related murders.
Dang, that shit was likecollage, like you know what I'm
saying.
Unfortunately, though, we don'tglorify that shit.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
No, that's not good.
Yeah, that probably shook thecity up.
That shit was wild.
You know what?
I'm saying so like coming in,coming into the game and and you
know you rapping, coming intothe game and you know you're
rapping, it's early on for youand give me your mindset on,

(12:34):
like, okay, I'm big O, I'mcoming into the game, I want to
drop my first tape.
Give me that.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
Give me coming into that.
So I was working with a guythat in the.
I was working with a guy thathad, like he was doing all the
mixtapes in the city as far as,like all the DJs, k Slade, god
bless his day.
Who, kid Clue?
They would all come to him toget their tapes done, okay, so
he was like the mixtapedistributor at that time.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
So it was they all come into him to distribute.
They mixed tapes.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
No, he's pressing them up for them.
That's what I'm saying.
So like, so, so like adistributor clue will go into
the crib, do a tape.
Yeah, and then he'll call itand be like yo, I need 3000 of
these CDs done Right and my manwill press them up.
My man, my man.
Kareem, you know what I mean.
So.
So he was doing everybody tapesat the time they was rapping.
They had a group called FirstHalf so I used to be with them

(13:26):
on some young boy shit and theywas terrorizing shit and they
put a CD out.
They put all these songs on theCD and put it out in the
streets and I would ride aroundwith them while they sold them
and shit.
I'm like damn, these niggasjust sold.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
What age are you?
Excuse me, I'm sorry, what ageare you?
At this point?

Speaker 5 (13:39):
I'm probably like 16.
I'm in the backseat.
I'm like these niggas just sold1,000 CDs for 10 hours apiece
and I'm recording at this timebut I ain't got no music out.
I'm like fuck that, I'm out forthe CD out, you know what I
mean.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
I'm like fuck that, that's automatic.
It went hard.
You did the math.

Speaker 5 (13:56):
Yeah, I'm like, because now I'm watching him go
to him get 300 CDs, I'm jumpingin the car with him while they
ride through the city.
They coming back runningthrough them joints.
They come back and get another300.
I'm like oh, fuck that.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
You watching all the infrastructure.

Speaker 5 (14:14):
I ain't going to sit around niggas getting money.
I'm about to put these songs.
I got too at the crib put allthese joints on one CD.
Put me in CD out, rob Markman.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
So how you get Big?

Speaker 5 (14:22):
O Big O.
My government name is Omar RobMarkman.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
So I been O since, like Rob Markman, forever.
No, made up shit, rob Markman.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Rob Markman, that's good toknow that Nigga wake up and be
like yo call me da, da, da, dada.

Speaker 5 (14:36):
All right, rob Markman Jr,that's ill, that's ill, rob
Markman.
Jr.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
So who was somebody that critiqued you as an artist
and let you know, like, yeah,you got it.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
My uncle Out man Shout to Out.
My man, DaShare, said somethingto me too.
He said the town ain't bigenough to put you on, but the
town real enough to let you knowif you got it or not.
Then it's up to you to take itfrom there.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
He told you that early on.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
My man Deshaire told me that.
My man Deshaire.
He said, unfortunately the cityain't big enough to put you on.
He said, but we real enough tolet you know if you qualified
enough to represent us on theworldwide front.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
That was ill.

Speaker 5 (15:18):
Then it's up to you to take the ball and run with it
.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
That was ill.
That was ill my uncle.

Speaker 5 (15:23):
Al was my ears as far as music.
Every song I did I'd send tohim.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (15:28):
And he'd be the one that'd be like, nah, not that
one.
You gotta switch your flow up,bro.
I don't like the hook.
Yeah, I don't like that verse.
So he was right, he was rockingit.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
You know what I?

Speaker 5 (15:43):
mean.
So I tell a lot of the youngerartists I work with you need
trusted ears, Because everythingwe do as creators ain't going
to be hot bro.
You know what I'm saying, butit's so many niggas can't take
criticism.
Everybody think everything theydo hot.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Too emotional.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
I tell niggas all booth and that shit don't sound
right to you, nigga tell me Nah,I don't like that shit.
I ain't going to be like nah,you don't like that, bro,
because what they don'tunderstand.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
The music is product.
Yeah, it is.
You know what I'm?

Speaker 5 (16:10):
saying so, I want to pick out the best product, so if
it ain't right, say somethingso.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
I can make the best product.

Speaker 5 (16:16):
Yeah, nah, he was probably my hardest critic.
Most needed, though, becauseevery time I went to studio I
was going in the studio likeenvisioning me sending it to him
.
I know he gonna with this youunderstand what.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
I'm saying so right, but you need that though yeah,
like like sharp, making yousharp in your still yeah, like
custom model, like we call themout, custom models, like custom
model with Tyson type.
I like that, you know what Imean.
So like what you, what?
Okay, so what you seeing themwrite, distribute mixtapes?
Get them, uh, uh, get themdrawn up, put them in the back

(16:50):
of the car, wham, sell them.
You say, fuck that I'm droppingtoo.
All right, you get the artwork,you put your, you put these
songs together.
You holler at your man, you get200, 300.
You say go After that.
Like how, how was Trentonreceptive to you at that time?
Like that, your first tape.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
Okay, so the part we left out is before the tape came
out.
I was I was heavy on the battlescene.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
So I was battling, I was earning my stripes, battling
everybody I was.
I mean, I was killing niggas,okay, and I was killing niggas
Okay, and I was like you knowwhat I mean no cap, you feel
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Washing niggas?
Yeah, nah, I was killing niggas, I mean hanging around series.

Speaker 5 (17:27):
Like at that time that's what it was.
You had to earn your respect inthat way.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
It wasn't like a SoundCloud, it wasn't no YouTube
, it was like, like you knowwhat I mean and there were times
niggas from around my way done,put up thousands.
We used to hear about you whenI was a kid.
Like you, know what I'm sayingyeah.
No cap.

(17:52):
So that kind of like brokeground for me.
Everybody knew I rapped anyway.
Before I put my first projectout I got a CD for some people I
already knew.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Like the word already traveled.
Your first CD was the Groovefor Big U right.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
Child.
Come on, you did a littleresearch.
Come on man.
God damn you don't got to doresearch.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Yeah, yeah, I don't care, I don't care, gang.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
I don't care 01, right.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, that's the cd you talking about yeah, that was
the first joint.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
I was a kid, right, and I was just my man, um that I
was telling you about to ownthe mixtape store and did a
distribution.
He came and grabbed me one dayand was like yo, get all your,
we was, uh, we all, we was allme and my was all standing in
this crib.
Right came and grabbed me oneday get, I had like two trash
bags, like come on, put me upand was like yo, I got you Damn

(18:44):
Back to play.
I was probably like 16, aboutto turn 17.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
That's ill right there.

Speaker 5 (18:49):
So then I just started, I was recording every
day.
We had like a studio in thespot.
I was recording every day withhim and my man, DJ Plex.
I put that tape out and thenfrom there it was like it was
just a domino effect.
Like, when you love that shit,it don't feel like work.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Like you see how you say 01?

Speaker 5 (19:05):
Right, it's 2024.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
I know and we still on the run.

Speaker 5 (19:09):
Nigga, I came up just to do this interview and to do
the cypher and to do anotherinterview because I just know
it's going to be one personthat's going to see this shit.
That don't know who Big U is.
You understand how I'm notgetting ever since.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
I gotta get that in me.
Like I'll be.
I'll be like focused on like meputting out art and not getting
like the masses.
It's the gratification yeah,but I gotta understand that it's
a process.
This is over the time.
Yeah, and that goes back to.

Speaker 5 (19:38):
The conversation was happening before we started, and
that's why, to make everythingcome full circle, the
appreciation is there.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
You just don't know it yet you're not going to tell
you until it's not going to comethat high.
Bro, yeah, you understand whatI'm saying.

Speaker 5 (19:51):
It was gonna come that easy.
Everybody, everybody would doit, everybody doing it, but
everybody, they're not stayingat it because it's not coming
like this.
I mean, you talked about myfirst cd, 2001, this 2000, 2025,
nigga, I'm still dropping.
I'm still dropping, bro, 20years later.
You understand what I'm sayingand it's just now starting to

(20:13):
turn over Right.
You understand what I'm saying,bro.
So nigga, we ain't telling youthis some shit we heard I'm
telling you this, I'm livingthis shit.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
So you done, grinded through every era OG.

Speaker 5 (20:23):
Gee, we talking about .
We're talking about, oh my god,in front of the cameras.
Yeah, no, what I just spoke onwas 10 years ago.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
10 years ago uh, that , oh molly session.
I'll see any man, oh okay solook.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
So, because it was crazy that you had got the whole
format from watching.
Um serious, and I'm runningaround with their tapes.
You get the format, you runaround with your tapes, and then
he, oh he instantly put you upand then you drop a massive tape
that really grabbed the people,yeah, so so now you know it's
crazy.

Speaker 5 (20:54):
I didn't even have the people yet, because the
first tape was like, soeverybody knew me for battling.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
The question was can he make?

Speaker 3 (21:01):
a record.

Speaker 5 (21:02):
You understand everybody.
You know the mixtape game wasso heavy.
You remember we used to havethe freestyles.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:07):
I was a nigga like, I would do the freestyles, I
would do the battling, I woulddo the cyphers.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
OK.

Speaker 5 (21:11):
And now it was like I can't make no songs.
You understand what I'm saying,so now rest in peace.
Tony, that did like PoorWretches' Teachers.
He did like a lot of that.
He created like a sound for theartists in Trenton in the early
90s.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Real records.

Speaker 5 (21:26):
So my uncle was signed in the 90s in a group
called Boulevard Massey, so hehad ties to him as a producer,
so he linked me with Tony D.
Tony D gave me my firstoriginal record and it was
called Golden Child.
It's on that same project, butI'm just saying that to say then
I started.
Everything was a process,though you know what I'm saying

(21:47):
like we put out one tape, cameback out, put out another tape,
put out another tape, and then,like I say around, like oh six,
I went to atlanta, got asituation.
I was down there for like threeyears and that was probably
like atlanta was probably myfirst time really experiencing
the industry hands-on.
okay, you know what I'm sayingyeah like I was just around the
way dropping mixtapes up untilthat point.
Okay, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yeah, like I was just around the way dropping
mixtapes up until that point.
Okay, you know what I mean,yeah.
So when you say you, you wasdone, yeah, when you see the
industry hands-on, what do, whatdo?
What does that mean?

Speaker 5 (22:17):
so that means from going around right, just being
in my local area rapping andknow I rap putting out tapes,
going to staples, getting coversand getting cds pressed up.
Now I'm in the a, I'm in thestudio with Akon.
I'm in the studio with JusticeLeague.
I'm in the studio with DallasAustin.
I'm gonna, like you know, I'msaying like like I used to read
about yeah in the magazines andread their names on the credits
on albums.

(22:37):
And now I'm like this with themin the still Don Cannon and DJ
Drama, and you know what I'msaying.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
I want to actually shine real quick.
I'm heavy, like you know I wasyoung, but people don't like my
man five said this earlier likehe'll need and be understanding
how, like I'd be knowing theseerrors are certain stuff you
know I'm saying and that's cuzyou just gotta be a student.
Yeah, and it was one personthat you know that was in the

(23:07):
mixtape scene a little bit.
When it come to the child stateand rapping and DJing, and I
know he like beneficial to yourcareer, I want you to take us
through your relationship withAP, ap, dj, ap, all Purpose.

Speaker 5 (23:27):
Damn how you know.
That's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yeah, because the mixtape scene.
That's how I know about him,but with you we had to say it
off camera, but, being as thoughI know, I figured out other
things.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
Yo, you know what's crazy right?
Shout out to my nigga AP Snap.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Real red AP was DJing like as a kid, small kid, this
ain't no internet search.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah, this ain't no internet search neither this
some off camera, but I felt outAP was in it.
I love this boy man.

Speaker 5 (24:00):
AP really was the first studio I recorded in See.
Ever no cap, damn he had thestudio.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
That's right, my boy.
That's right my boy.

Speaker 5 (24:10):
He had the studio in the basement, right Damn.
Yeah, nigga had two Rottweilersin the big ass cage, damn.
He had the motherfucking popperstopper was like a stocking.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
Yeah, and this shit right here was like a wire
hanger.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Damn.

Speaker 5 (24:24):
And that shit was attached to like the poles in
the basement.
We were sitting on crates downthat motherfucker.
God bless his grandmother.
His grandmother used to makesure we had all whatever
equipment we needed at the time,and there was a group of us.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
OK, so let me take you down.
I was about to say I heard itwas you and like Up Power and
that.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
OK, ok, that project came up, and that's actually how
I met the mixtape how oh.
That's the intricate piece thatI left out.
That's how I met the mixtapedistributor nigga, through AP.
But AP was DJing first as a kid, then he was rhyming.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
And he was also producing first.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
He was a rapper.
Yeah, he was rapping, but hewas dj and he was producing, so
he was making the beats.
I sit down there with him allnight make the beats and they yo
how to count bars.
All that like we really was,like we really was like brothers
, that one time like no cap,like I was staying with him and
everything and how I heard it,that's kind of like where you
learned to, like how you learnedcounting bars and like I was

(25:22):
just broad talent by how youlearned counting bars and your
flow and your cadence.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
I was just broad talent you feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (25:26):
Structure Like structure, I heard an AP from a
rapper.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Nobody in his room know, but he did something with
him.
I'm one of them.
Dudes, bro, I be listening tomusic.

Speaker 5 (25:37):
Nobody knows yeah facts, and I just remember AP.
Now you fucked me up with thatone.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
That's my thing remember, yeah, so all right so
the ap shout out the ap.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
All pretty good um, so all right.
So boom, I ain't lamborghini, Iturtle, like, I ain't speed.
I went back so you said you washands-on, you in a studio with
all these artists as you.
You know you hands hands onwith the industry and everything

(26:06):
, so all right.
So we notice a lot of artistsbe getting to that point.
You know, and everybody expectlike a hit song or blow up from
that artist, like, and all thetime it don't happen.
So you could tell stories allday about meeting this person

(26:27):
and doing that and that, but Iwant you to tell the audience,
like when you was hands-on withthe industry and stuff, what was
the things you thought wasgoing to happen from you being
in that predicament and itdidn't happen.

Speaker 5 (26:39):
That's a good question and, to be honest with
you right being so naive,sometimes outside, looking in,
we think the game is this way,yeah, and we think what we see
is what it is and we think allthese niggas is really the real
niggas that they be rappingabout.
And when we meet these niggas,we going to rap and everything.
And to be totally honest andI'm telling niggas this on

(27:03):
camera, this is probably myfirst time ever saying this ever
If you do music and you lovemusic, that's a beautiful thing,
it's a gift.
But if you don't have no money,this is not the game for you.
This shit is the music business.
Everybody wants to get paid.
Bro, I don't give a fuck howhot you is, none of that.
I tell niggas all the time thebusiness going to get you in the

(27:25):
room, your talent and yourpersonality going to keep you in
the room.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (27:31):
Real shit, bro.
I'm telling you my nigga.
I had to learn that because Iwas coming from the space of.
I'm hot.
I know if I bump into such andsuch and let a clip go, he going
to fuck with me.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Nah, he's a center player.
It don't work like that.
People just drop.
No, don't go like that.
Yeah, you have you have.
Yeah, all that, just drop it'snot good shots, bro.

Speaker 5 (27:54):
You know what I'm doing now.
Right, I got like a marketingfirm.
I'm doing now we help an artistto set up rollouts Because the
rollout is so important.
A lot of people just don't havethe contacts.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
That's one of the most important parts, ray.

Speaker 5 (28:10):
Rizzi at Shade 45.
Bars on I-95.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
On the.

Speaker 5 (28:13):
Radar Power 105.
Podcast like this and we saylisten yo, this budget right
here gets you Because I'm downsouth, that's how the game is
going Yep, motherfuckers,hip-hop since 1987 and all this
shit in my head.
bro, you got to have a budget.
Bro, you got to think right.
Just look at it like this If Irecord the tape at the crib
right now, right, I got to payto get it mixed.

(28:35):
I got to pay to get it mastered.
I got to get it radio edited.
I got to get the artwork.
I got to shoot the video.
You're going to do all that andjust drop it on YouTube.
That's like two bands rightthere, bro, you're going to just
drop it on YouTube and hope anigga stumble on it and that
could be one song.
You got to go on your run.
I got to come to shit like thisand be like yo.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
check my new project out Da da, da da da, is there
such and such Ah ah, ah.

Speaker 5 (28:58):
And then I got to yeah, yo, why do you think you
see niggas on the promo run?
They got the same clothes onthe whole interview because they
running around promoting theproduct.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
Uh huh.

Speaker 5 (29:08):
We just be thinking we going to drop it and it's
just going like it don't worklike that you got to put some
fucking money behind this shit.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
And I ain't going to lie.

Speaker 5 (29:15):
McDonald's is spending millions of dollars on
marketing.
Who the fuck is you to thinkyou ain't got?

Speaker 1 (29:18):
to bro, we be being too picky too.
All right, boom, we gotsomething like that right when
you got budget crazy.
But then my Gen Z has gotInstagram and Twitter and TikTok
where I could rap on camera andget popping without paying

(29:41):
nothing but me.
I'm so much of a picky dude Ibe like I don't want to get
looked at like that Like what?

Speaker 5 (29:48):
Like an Instagram rapper what you mean as far as
like rappin' on Instagram.
Yeah, you know what's crazywith Instagram?
Instagram makes so many peoplerich.
How many followers you got onthe gram Like?

Speaker 1 (29:58):
2600.

Speaker 5 (30:00):
Alright.
So say you got 2600,.
Right, say it's 1045.
Let me tell you how deep thisshit is.
Instagram makes so many peoplerich, right?
Instagram said oh no, youniggas got to pay from now on.
You'll drop a post right nowand only 12 people will see your
shit Out of your 2,600 peoplethat's following you and you'll
be like damn well, I only got 12likes.
You'll go to the insights andit'll show you how many people

(30:22):
seen your posts out of yourfriends.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
they want to get paid , nigga but, once you pay for
the market inside, watch howmany people see all this shit.

Speaker 5 (30:31):
We know that goes back to what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah, they want to get paid everybody that's why
I'll be telling you you'll belike we gonna do, put I'll be
filling you like so.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
So I already know so what you coming up and you know,
getting your craft, working onyour craft and now you like
known as one of the hottestniggas in Trenton, coming out of
Jersey too.
Not just Trenton, you, one ofthe hottest niggas coming out of
Jersey, the state.
I appreciate that you know whatI'm saying.
And then I mean we startgetting what you familiar over
here.
What was the first time youstart coming over the bridge and

(31:06):
who was the first Philly artistto embrace you and put their
arm around you?

Speaker 5 (31:10):
That's a good question.
I'm going to keep it all theway tall.
When I came back from the A andmy situation went belly up.
I came back from the A and thiswas a time where I was working
with Shakira Stewart God blessher dad from.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Def.

Speaker 5 (31:19):
Jam.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Right who I tell you about the other day.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
Yeah, who I tell you about the other day.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Yeah, oh yeah, spend two minutes on Shakir.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
God bless him.
So Shakir is the guy behindJeezy, behind Ross, behind a lot
of plays in the A for Def Jam.
He was signing all these guysand Shakir no bullshit.
I hate saying this, you know,because it's off the record, but
God bless him.
He was really trying to give mea situation, though.
He heard my music at StankoniaStudios.
We was getting a record mix.
He pulled my managers at theside at the time they was

(31:52):
pushing another artist.
He was like yo, your man cool,but this the nigga, we could go
get him a deal tomorrow.
You know what I'm saying, soGod bless him.
All that shit was confirmationfor me early on because, like I
said, these was guys I wasreading about.
So I always equate everythingto basketball.
It's like hanging up an AIposter and then you look to your

(32:12):
left and AI in the same roomwas telling you he the fuck with
your game.

Speaker 4 (32:16):

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Shock of one of them, niggas.
I looked to.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
You know, like getting that love from a nigga
you fuck with.
What was your question?
Again, my bad.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
On when you oh about coming to the city.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
So I come back from the A right Situation.
I went belly up.
We was just in the projects,now we down in the A 18 floors
up center city.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
Living Now.
I got to pack up, take it backhome, so I come back, I'm in the
crib and I'm like damn Cosmic.
Kev don't know who I am.
And this was a time where theA&Rs would call the.

(32:48):
DJs and be like yo, you knowthis guy such and such and such,
and if they don't know you,it's like you got some work to
do, how the biggest DJ in yourarea don't know who you is.
And, coming from Trenton, eventhough we Jersey, our market is
Philadelphia.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
Because we're Central Jersey.
But when we go to the labels,our market is Philadelphia,
newark market is New York.
Yeah, you understand what I'msaying.
So they equate us withPhiladelphia.
So it's like if I'm callingCosmic Cab and he say he don't
know who you is, nigga, you gotsome work to do.
So long story short, I camehome, I'm in the crib.
I'm like, damn, how the fuckcan I tap in with Philly to kind

(33:21):
of, you know what I'm saying,get my buzz going.
So while I put my play together, tone Trump reached out to me.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (33:28):
So Tone Trump going crazy.
Shout to Trump.
He going crazy on Worldstar.
He come up my way, shoot avideo.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Worldstar.

Speaker 5 (33:34):
Tony, yeah, worldstar , tony Shoot a video.
So that was the first joint.
I had a record called NewSneakers so I said yo, you know
what, I'm going to remix it.
I'm going to put Gilly on it.
I remixed it, put Gilly on it,cut him a check.
So let's get that established,cut him a check right.
He plugged me right with Cav soI tell niggas all the time

(33:54):
right.
I did the business right andthe business created the
relationship to where Gilly'slast album.
I'm on that joint, me and Gillylike this.
I got like Gil family.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
But what I'm saying, the point I'm making, is.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
I don't know this nigga from a can of paint.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
The fuck am I to come in and lean in on him for a
favor?
The king of Phillies on, youwant it on.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (34:12):
That's my man.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
But what I'm?

Speaker 5 (34:14):
saying it came full circle After a while Our
relationship got created off ofdoing business.
Seen Meek in the still Next dayI did a record with Meek and I
cashed.
Meek out, too Meek.
Still owe me a verse too.
That's my nigga.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Because you get thrown right in the mix of that
Batcave.
Ever that Batcave Right.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
So I'm talking about old Batcave.
I come in, I Meek, and O, Ipull him to the side.
I said, meek, I want to hollerat you bro.
No bullshit, right.
I probably shouldn't even saythis though.
No bullshit, right.
I'm just talking to cuz.
Last week, I think, I gave Meek$500, oj, feel what I'm saying,
that $500.
I gave Gil $1,000.
I gave Meek $500.
And guess what?

(34:59):
Everybody in the city afterthat fell in line $1,500, the
best investment I could havemade.
You know why?

Speaker 2 (35:06):
I came into the market with the top dogs in the
market, so everybody in Phillysaid well, if Gillian Meek won't
stand next to this nigga, hegot to be something.
He giving game out right, youknow what I'm saying.
Pay attention.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
Everybody in Philly.
Look it up, anybody you canthink of.
In Philly I probably did arecord with Never spent a dollar
again, because I came in withtwo of the strongest niggas Back
to back then, and then theicing on the cake was Cosmic Cav
.
I probably did a come up showmore times than niggas in Philly
, no cap, and took all my niggasup there and let them rock out

(35:37):
Jay-Z style.
You understand what I'm saying,but the point I'm making is
Philly embracement fit the wayI've been embraced in Philly.
Right, niggas out my way, hatethat state.
They hate that shit.
Oh, they hate that shit.
Oh, you fucking Philly niggas,oh, they hate that shit.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
They struggle because that's what they want.
A nigga never, seen that before.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (35:58):
Never seen that before.
You know because guess what Itell niggas all the time.
You know how many nights Iargue in the studio with North
Philly and South Philly niggasabout Jersey?
Nigga, I ain't from Jersey,nigga, I'm from Trenton.
Nigga, Real shit, it's adifference, nigga.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yeah, that's a difference.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a difference.
You know what I'm saying, But'sjust how niggas over here?

Speaker 1 (36:25):
I was really in Trenton, bro, but see, because
you been and seen it.
A lot of niggas have never beenand seen it, that shit is tight
, it is tight.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
And South Philly is tight.
It's tight down there.
What's?

Speaker 1 (36:34):
the delis that got all the food, the turkey wings,
the A&D Deli or something likethat?
What the fuck is the name ofthat shit?

Speaker 5 (36:42):
I'm tripping.
It's like three of them.
Yeah, they all closest.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's how smart bro.
I was walking to them jobs man.
I used to be in the studio withthem niggas.

Speaker 5 (36:57):
The whole studio 100 niggas in the studio.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
They be like oh man, them Jersey nigg.
Yeah, they got projects on likeevery other block.
Like you arrived on this block,there'll be a project.

Speaker 5 (37:07):
Our projects is the biggest projects in the city.
Roger Garza Wilson Holmes.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Dang.
Oh, so you from the projects?
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Damn so when you finally get the two features
1500, best 1500 you spent inyour life.
Now you up there with the bigdogs, everything you get from
that point on on all big dogstatus, kev, all features I know
you're getting reached out tolabels, all types of shit going
on at this time.
Yeah, so what?

(37:33):
Um, at that time, what?
Like you catching a spark?
Where was your head at then?
Like, damn, all right, we readyto get us a whole big never run
, or I'm just running mymarathon.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
Hey, yeah, youman, hey yo, you know what's so crazy
?
I just wasn't organized.
The organization was missing,but I was just loving the moment
.
After I did the record withMeek and Gil just niggas seeing
that because I was so smart dogwith Steps Ahead, I brought my
cameraman with me the next daywith Meek and I made him shoot
an in-studio video.
I ain't make them, but I'm likeyo shoot this in-studio video

(38:03):
with me.
I knew to capitalize on it.
I said I'm probably not goingto be able to catch this nigga
again.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:07):
So let me go on.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
I'm going to pay for the feature now and get him just
to get as much footage.
Cuz was moving around fast backthen Right now.

Speaker 5 (38:14):
Yeah, he was on his run back then.
Yeah, bag for the video, yeahyou might be right.
So I said let me go on to testthis footage right now.

Speaker 3 (38:24):

Speaker 5 (38:25):
Yeah, that shit did like 500,000 views on YouTube
quick, oh you capitalized allthat, then they started calling
me for features, I was like ohOK.
And then for real, for real, itwas a show.
Batcave was on the radio.
It wasn't Power 99.
, it was on another station.
Yeah, everybody performed.

(38:48):
They put me on the bill.
I came up here like 40 deep,performed with shit, and the
love just became genuine.
I started going to the studio,started going to Batcave.
Then I started working with PI.
Once I started working with PI,PI had heard a project I did
with Don Cannon at the time andthat's how me and PI clicked

(39:10):
Shout out to Ace McLeod too.
Ace McLeod too.
Ace McLeod was a part of memoving heavy around Jimmy
Wallstreet.
God bless the dead, my nigga,jim.
Jim, you know what I mean.
And me and Jim dropped TwinTowers.
Then I dropped the joint withCannon.
Like I said, records with Beans, records with Meek records with
Gil fucking Spado Lava.

(39:32):
All the legends Dutch Bump CreeForge Khor, me and Khor probably
got a 10 piece together.
Me and Lights man fuckingeverybody bro ARL.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
So basically you working with all the top people
from Philly.
Did that work right into thetalk and the situations with
Raspi and Kiss?

Speaker 5 (39:55):
So that came like a lot of people I met Kiss
multiple times but I never gotto rap for him Okay.
And that shit was burning me up.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
I went to O'Melly shot a video of Kiss and Yonkers
.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
I rode up there with them and and Kiss walked off to
the bathroom and everybody wasstanding right here and I walked
behind that nigga to thebathroom.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
I shot the eye lap.

Speaker 5 (40:17):
I gave my son a kiss.
Yo.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
I'm loving this nigga .
Keep it on it.
I'm telling you, keep it on it.
You're the most baby.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
Listen.
So me, KOR, all of us.
I was shooting a video withKiss, so we was waiting for the
camera niggas to set up orsomething and we was all
standing over here and Kisswalked over here and went to the
bathroom.
So I walked over there behindhim and shit you know what I
mean.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
I was like yo Kiss I was like yo.

Speaker 5 (40:40):
Kiss, we take this picture real quick.
That nigga was like yo.
I just took a picture with you.
I was like nah, but I'm saying,I just wanted to.
This man, you get it.
That was a group chat, you hearme, but I really wanted to drop
a couple of equipment on him.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
I really wanted 16.
I ain't want to play myself.

Speaker 5 (41:01):
I said chill.
So my man booked him out, myKiss again.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
You had him on that mixtape.

Speaker 5 (41:11):
Yeah, yeah with Big Mike, yeah yeah.
So my man Book, kiss, was thelocks I pulled in.
Sheik pulled me in, oh ah ah.
They didn't know who I was, butthey showed me love.
I really wanted to let a clipgo then, but I just you know
what I mean.
You got to read the room.
So I say all that to say I'm inBatcave, major Figures working
on a reunion album, so I hadjust laid a verse right.

(41:33):
So I'm in there.
They're playing my verse, backDoor swing open, gil and Kiss
walk in my verse playing throughthe big speakers and shit.
So everybody like mm, mm, mm.
So Kiss like Bump, who thatBump like?
That's my man, oh, he likethat's you, he like oh man.
And from there it was on.

(41:54):
You feel what I'm saying, butit was multiple times I've been
around.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
But that's the reaction you wanted though.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
Yeah, but it was the right setting.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Right.

Speaker 5 (42:03):
It was a lot of times I could have jumped out the
window and played myself Right.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
But I, I know how to read the room.

Speaker 5 (42:11):
I tell niggas that too.
Read the room is superimportant, because that can
really get your access denied orget your access granted you
know what I'm saying.
Nigga, walk in your studiosession the beat playing, they
start rapping and shit.
You be like man.
Who the fuck, who the man isthis you?

Speaker 2 (42:24):
know what I'm saying?
Real shit, though, like who thefuck is this Calm?

Speaker 5 (42:27):
down.
But now I tell niggas all thetime, once a nigga fuck with you
and fuck with your energy, itmake the music easier.
Yeah, so now me and you sitdown and doing this.
If a beat come on, I'm in thestudio.
I might be like, yeah, bro,what you got for this, because
we done already.
I done kind of already got afeel for you as a person.
You got a feel for me as aperson.
The transition to the music isway easier Versus as you walking

(42:48):
in, I got a beat on loop andyou just in the corner rapping
and I'm like come on, cuz.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Like you blow my shit , right?

Speaker 5 (42:53):
We ain't even chopped it up.
I don't even know your name yet, or nothing.
You know what I'm saying Like,but it's just.
You know music etiquette though, man.
You learned that from trial anderror, yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
No, go ahead, go ahead so whenyou finally do meet Kiss and you
get the proper introduction orwhatever you know, because you
was going on with Kiss at onepoint in time.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
Yeah, I was with the so Raspy.
I was with the so Raspy camp.
So when we met Kiss after I metKiss at the thing, my man, on
my way, did a feature with himand I happened to be on the
record, so I lined that up webrought Kiss out the train and,
um, from there our relationshipgrew.
Okay, you know what I mean.
Organically though, but yeah,but business organically, but

(43:42):
also with business right, andthen from there it was all love,
from there say no more so allright.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
So what?
What year would you say that?
Was that so raspy?

Speaker 5 (43:55):
uh, this was probably like right before the pandemic,
damn oh shit, okay, so allright, boom so oh damn well when
you started, but go ahead.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
No, no, I wanted to, um, to touch on a specific part
of your career.
So like I'm not going to lie,like you know, I'm 26 years old,
so I always like heard these,knew like how, how hard you was,

(44:36):
how was OT you and OT the realcollabs on, because OT the real
was real close with Dunny, whichwas my engineer, and then my
brother Zeke worked in therewith Dunny and then my brother
Zeke worked in there with Dunny,so OT the Real was in that mix

(44:57):
with us and he just was smokingman and I remember you was
somebody not, if not the most,you was somebody.
He really was like, yeah, hehere.
So how did y'all even meet?
How did that even come about?

Speaker 5 (45:11):
So OT, ot was recording.
So for those that don't know,we was all recording in the same
studio 444 building.
It was Mike Jurge.
It was PI's studio.
Rug was around the corner.
Then Mike Jurge moved to Cali.
Rug took Jurge's room over.
Pi was right here and Dunny wasaround the corner.
So, that building was like andthen Pop Trax and then was
across the hall too.
So that building was constantlymotherfuckers in and out, in

(45:35):
and out.
Once I linked with PI, myaccess was so granted, bro, I
was coming up here with a weekworth of clothes.
So I come up here with a weekworth of clothes.
Cuz, catch the train up thisjoint, go shower at PI Mob Crib
in Camden and be right back inthe studio every day All up to
my flight.
I tell niggas all the time thatwas college for me.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Shower at PI.
Mom Crib, no bullshit, I comeright back to the store.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
That shit was like, that was my college for me, bro.

Speaker 5 (46:03):
That's work, that's mobbing, but that's how I was
able to be in everybody'ssession, like Kour, like Chorus
Sessions or Melody Sessions,lights, jermaine, louis V I was
in everybody's sessions.
Everybody Lee Mazin, everybodyfucked with me.
So I was able to be around, sitin their sessions and shit.
So, long story short, ot wascoming in there, started coming
in there to record and OT thisis where I was fucking with Fat

(46:24):
Joe.
Ot pulled me to the side andwas like yo man, let's do a tape
.
And at first I was like damn,let's do a tape.
But I fucked with OT.
It was hard.
I was like, yeah, fuck it,let's do it.
We did five songs.
We knocked that shit right out.
And then what I say about OT OTput me on.
Ot I think was managed byBreezy at the time.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
I think he still is man Shout out OT man Right right
, so they kind of put me on tothe rollout.

Speaker 5 (46:51):
After we did the music right, they lined up mtv
jams and bt jams and all theradio runs and that was like my
first time kind of releasing theproject the right way.
I was like, oh, okay that's howyou're supposed to do this shit
.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
You feel what I'm saying and that was kind of yo
I'm gonna tell, I'm gonna telly'all something right, it's 2024
, we, we are in the 2020s.
Hip-hop was born 50, 51, 50years ago we are at a point in
hip-hop where you can't just behot and be signed.

Speaker 5 (47:28):
Yeah or be?

Speaker 1 (47:29):
hot and be hot in the .
You gotta have them rollouts.
You gotta have them conceptalbums.
You gotta have that.
You gotta have certainknowledge, because I be seeing a
lot of you dudes just makingyou know okay.
So even if the song's hot,y'all just be making them and it

(47:50):
just be a bunch of music.
It just be a bunch of songsstacked up.
Your album name don't reallymean nothing, it don't really go
with no story.
There you go.
You didn't really lock in andgo on that interview and that
freestyle and that you feel me.
There, you go, it's the 2020s.

Speaker 5 (48:07):
And a lot of you niggas get cute.
Don't forget that part.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Listen.

Speaker 5 (48:10):
Niggas, get a little wave and get cute.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
If fucking Meek and Travis Scott and A$AP Rocky's in
the weekends doing fuckingrollouts and shit what makes you
think you ain't going to haveto?
Do it, you're going to have toput extra mustard on your shit
Because they the top of the topFacts.
You know what?

Speaker 5 (48:30):
I'm saying Artist development is very important,
bro, because a lot of niggasdon't understand that outside of
the studio is when the workreally starts.

Speaker 3 (48:40):

Speaker 5 (48:42):
You got the record, all right, cool.
Now the work is how we get itto the masses.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
And how you're going to conduct yourself doing it.

Speaker 5 (48:50):
Right, and on some real shit,everybody that hits you right
now.
You need to be doing theseplatforms.
I don't give a fuck who he is.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Right.

Speaker 5 (48:58):
Because you're not in a position to turn nothing down
right now.
Right?
Every, every time a camera onit, it's somebody that don't
know who you is that you walkingaway from.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Man, when I see somebody like on a on a rollout,
like when I see like they aboutto drop, I might reach out to
him and then and then respond.
I get back.
Boy, I'd be like only in phillythis will happen, yeah,
anywhere else.
People, where is that?
I'm there?

Speaker 5 (49:29):
like is this shit is important, bro, but see this
what's going to separate theniggas that's going to be around
10 years from now versus niggasthat's?
I mean you might get lucky andget a run.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (49:41):
But what happens is you get a run, you get cute and
you show your ass when you cooloff.
People remember that Facts andthey can't wait to remind you,
like no, no, no nigga.
Don't come back around withyour humble shit.
You got cute nigga youunderstand what I'm saying.
So it's like at the end of theday, I tell people I mean, of
course we can't do everything,but when you want a promo, run,
you know.
Look at, for instance, look atthe motherfucking political

(50:03):
campaign.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
The presidential, that shit get on my nerves, but
they killing it.

Speaker 5 (50:09):
Because if I could leave here with one vote, nigga
it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Yo, they got CEO Duke on there, like I just feel,
with Kamala.
Come on, shut the fuck up what.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Duke crazy bro.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
I see that shit up there, dude, they got Trump's
nabbing about Pennsylvania rightnow.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Like Pennsylvania is cheating One of the most
important states.
I think that shit gonna berigged.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Well, since we on that, look we ain't gonna get
too much on that, but make surey'all vote man.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Make sure y'all vote.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Picking up back when we left off white boy.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
So yeah.
So look that right there whereyou was just talking about where
, um, where where was it?
Where, where was your time?
Ot the rail right the, the i-95, that that's like one of the
most classic drones that y'alldid together.

(51:09):
Oh yeah yeah.
That drone right there like um,that y'all really set off like
the rap y'all did together, ohyeah, yeah yeah, that joint
right there Like that shit.
Y'all really set off like therap Y'all made niggas rap.

Speaker 5 (51:16):
Like, you know what I'm saying and yo, it's crazy
because I started seeing a lotof niggas going off that beat
after that joint, that joint.
then they got a million viewstoo, and that shit was just like
I said.
We was preparing to run aroundand promote the album.
So this is the platform.
It's like when you rap nigga,okay, go to the platforms where
they want you to rap.

(51:36):
This is what we do.
This is second nature.
So OT had the line we jumped onthe road me, ot, my man, og
Dave shout out to OG Dave at thetime and we did a little tour
in Boston.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
I'm about to say because that platform at Boston,
yeah, you know what I mean andwe just ran around.

Speaker 5 (51:58):
But you know, like I said, more importantly, I
learned from that situation andI applied it to my projects.
After that, everything got tobe set up the right way.
Like I said, of course we can'tcompete with the major artists
and the major labels, but we cando what we can't compete with
the major artists and the majorlabels.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
But we can do what we can with our resources and what
we have I mean and make it onyour level.

Speaker 5 (52:16):
You know I mean so I try to do like I got a project
about to drop now, kobe at therucker, I'm gonna do a private
listening session in philly.
I'm gonna do a privatelistening session in train, I'm
gonna do one in atlanta.
You know, I'm saying and thenI'm gonna do, said any podcast I
can, especially that makessense.
I'm pulling up bro.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
And guess what?
When you do that, that givesyou opportunity to link with
your peoples, the people thatwant to support you.

Speaker 5 (52:42):
I want to fuck with who fuck with me and build that
core following Because buildthat core following Start from
there.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
We got artists that we deal with on a regular.
He throw his Like.
We got artists that we we dealwith like on a regular.
He thought shows from Jeromeand when I go to them shows I
just see the people that thatlove him.
That's fine, that come out.

Speaker 5 (53:01):
You know I'm saying no matter how many times he do a
show Right.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Them people won't come out for that.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
That's a fact, so.
So I hit all the corners when Iwanted to actually wanted to
ask you on your journey of thismusic thing, did you ever get a
chance to meet K Slay?

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Yeah, yeah, because the reason why I asked that rest
in peace to K Slay.
The reason why I asked thatRest in peace, dj Clark Kent.
Man oh man, hey yo.
Rest in peace to Clark Kent Forsure for sure.

Speaker 5 (53:26):
Rest in peace to Clark Kent Rest in peace.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
That was like pioneer , that was a piece of fat man.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
scoop Yo, Clark Kent.

Speaker 5 (53:32):
And fat man scoop, hold on right there.
Before we get to the case ClarkKent hit me out the blue One of
these in the DM A long.
I'm psyched up like a muckBecause Clark Kent a fucking
legend, it's Clark Kent.
Clark Kent gave me the whole yobro.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Change the world, bro , your voice da da da, da, da,
da, fuck with you.

Speaker 5 (53:50):
You right there.
This probably was like a yearago, feel me.
This probably was like a yearago out the blue and I guess we
kept was like.
He was like yo.
This my email send me somerecords.
We gon' get together.
We never got together, just thefact that he sent that message.
That was everything.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
You know what I'm saying, like what you're saying
about slater, like type shitlike that, though, because
because they the people, theythe ones that fight for the for
the culture, the culture, thelyrics yeah, I'm saying, and k
slade, I always knew he was apioneer and one of those type of
people that always fought forthe people that be underground
or the people that be like theunheard, but they super hot like

(54:30):
you, like you know what I mean.
And I always wanted to know,like damn, when you met K Slay,
like how was, like you know, washe everything?
You know what I?

Speaker 5 (54:38):
mean Slay.
God bless his soul, right.
Slay's last mixtape that he putout was with me no cap.
Slick 3, the love over powersto hate, Slick 3.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
It's about K Slay.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
It's on all platforms .
I knew Slay for a long timethrough DJ Radio.
Dj Radio was a guy that wasworking with under Slay Shade 45
.
He was pushing my music a longtime, like when I was in the A
the first time, and all thatshit.
So I knew Slay from then andthen me and Slay had went
through some shit and for real,for real, my man Pesh from
Atlanta shot the Pesh and MikeKnox really got us back together

(55:16):
Okay, no cap, I can't evenfront Got us back together and
my man Smitty, my man New York,smitty Talk is cheap yeah, for
sure.
And then after that we linkedup, Slay did the tape.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
And we was about to lock in, shoot a couple of vids,
and and then you know one thingabout docs he always get people
together, bro.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
No, that's a fact.
He, you weren't up.
Man shout out not, that's a bigone, um, so all right.
So after the, after the ot therail you know you want ot the
rail y'all collab, um, I'm notgonna lie to you, like when you
search big o on platforms it'sjust too much, it's forever,

(56:02):
it's too much, never ending toomuch so I'm gonna keep it real
with you.
I don't even know likespecifically what project to
actual about, but what I, butwhat I am going to say is Like
you put your work on.
Yeah, bro, like you really likeit ain't even like when you say

(56:24):
oh one is this only in 2024 seefacts.
A lot of people can say that,like there's a lot of artists
that can say they've beenrapping since then, but not
releasing.
But they not releasing, theynot putting in the work, they
not rolling it out they gettinglazy for two years and then
coming

Speaker 4 (56:42):
back and you not on that and it costs money you feel
me, yeah it costs money youknow what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
So what?
All right, so all right.
So so what?
All right, so, all right.
So you never had a major labeldeal, right?

Speaker 3 (57:01):
no, you never had e1 entertainment.
That's a big independent or anempire.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
That's what we're going for all right, so for sure
, yeah, being that you're goingfor it now, yeah, being being as
though that said what gives youthe job to not quit like what
gives you the job to not say notright here it's been two
decades.
I ain't gonna say it ain'tworking out for me because I'm
big goo, you feel me, but I'mtrying to take care of my family

(57:26):
, all right and it ain't it'slike we'll give you the job that
don't be like man F this.

Speaker 5 (57:31):
First of all, I pride myself into just putting your
head down and grinding.
So that's why I always said Isaid yo, if I upload this joint
on YouTube and it get 200 views,I don't give a fuck.
I'm still dropping Because Iknow, once my moment come,
people going to do the backlog.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (57:50):
And they going to go look at all my old shit.
Once one album take off for me,they going to listen to all the
old albums, the same way Nipseydid with the Victory Lap shit.
Once Nipsey had his moment,everybody went back and listened
to all his old shit.
So that's what.
On that aspect, keep me going.
I think for me, to be totallyhonest, giving up was never even

(58:11):
an option for me coming intothis shit, and if if you pay
attention to what I was sayingin the beginning of the
interview, it was about theexamples of greatness and the
seeds being planted early onyeah early on.
That's why people like withchildren right.
They say take your children onas many trips as possible so
they don't fall victim tothinking that the world is just
where they at when they becomeadults yeah well, they well

(58:34):
travel.
So with me, with those seedsbeing planted early on, I seen
people make it early on, so Iknew that it could happen.
So, the, so, the, the, thething in my head to say what if
this don't work?
Was I never even there?
I know it's gonna work, it'sjust not gonna work on my there.
I know it's going to work, it'sjust not going to work on my

(58:54):
time, right you?

Speaker 4 (58:55):
understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (58:55):
So it's like at the end of the day.
I seen multiple people win, win, win.
You can't.
There's nothing you could tellme that's going to deter me to
be like yeah, bro, that shitain't going to work for you,
because I seen niggas get it,and way more niggas than not
mention.
You understand what I'm sayingso, at the end of the day, that
keep me going, the love and thepassion for music keep me going.
I think now, in the aspectwhere I'm at now in life is just

(59:18):
more so understanding thebusiness aspect of it.
And then looking at my city andlooking at artists like Fly you
know what I'm saying like Plaga, like Doe Stacks, like Bad
these are four battle rappersfrom my city that we're putting
together a group project withthem and putting a record
together with them, but just mebeing able to get in the game
and the knowledge, so it don'ttake them as long as it took me.

(59:40):
You know what?
I'm saying and that's the shitI'm working on the
behind-the-scenes shit.
You know what I'm?
Saying the love keeps me going,though I'm going to keep it
real to answer your questions.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
What's the biggest song you wrote for somebody?
Because I know you pinning outhere, oh man.

Speaker 5 (59:53):
I can't even get into that.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Oh man, I can't even get into that.
So look what I'm definitelydoing that.

Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
The reach out to me DM email email.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
I like that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
I like that question you just asked.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
But what you have in a long, illustrious career and
doing music and you work with alot of people is there anybody
that you want to work with thatyou didn't work with?

Speaker 5 (01:00:18):
yet.
Yeah, that's a good question.
I definitely need that Nasfeature.
I need that Ross feature.
I already got the record.
Ross Get with me.
Yeah, ocean Drive me andJordann Banks the verse already
open for him.
You hear me, nice.
Ocean Drive me and Jordan Banks, the verse already open for him
.
You hear me, nice.
I definitely need that Nasfeature.
I need that Jay feature.
I need that Jaheim feature too.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Oh, that should be, that should.
Yeah, I need that.
Come on, jaheim, I need that.

Speaker 5 (01:00:44):
I'm really like heavy R&B boy, though, to be honest
with you, for real, for real,that's really where I'm at with
it.
I'm really writing a lot of R&Brecords.
I'm doing a lot of writingbehind the scenes.
I'm getting into that.
I love the behind the scenesshit just as much as the artist
shit.
I love getting with an artist,getting in the studio with him
picking his brain, seeing wherehis brain at coming up with the

(01:01:04):
record kind of like vocalproducing him through the record
.
I love that aspect just as muchas working on records for myself
, so that's why I'm doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Rob Markman, yeah, man, and I ain't going to lie to
you, a lot of y'all out therewho you trying to be the main
act, or you're trying to make itas an R&B artist or a rap
artist yourself, and it justseem like it's not working for
you with shooting the light.
Yo, songwriters make more bagsthan the rappers.

(01:01:37):
Yeah, a lot of them do.

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
Licensing music licensing all that music that's
what I've seen, bro?

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Yeah, all that, yeah, yeah, people them do.

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
Licensing music.
Licensing all that music Peoplejust want to be seen, bro.
Yeah, all that, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
People don't understand that, yeah, yeah,
movie like the movie.
I forgot what the actual movieJon like when movies.
Or the NBA.
What's your song Credits?
No, it's like music licensingLicenses yeah.
Yeah, like man listen if yougot talent.

Speaker 5 (01:02:00):
People making a living off that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
I know If you got a real talent at writing music but
you trying to beat but you'rein the spotlight, but you're
real good at writing music inthe spotlight, just not.
I'm telling you themsongwriters don't got to be
marketable.
Yeah, they ain't got to bemarketable.
You ain't got to have on allthe clothes and the valencies
and guess what put that pin?

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
they gonna make sure that check clear too.
All right, which one I heardwhich one?

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
I heard what you mccall.
It was a exclusive writer overat atlantic.
Like, like people ain't evenbelieve he wrote his own songs.
Rest in peace, rock.
Like he was a great songwriter.
He was great, great songwriter.
He was great, great songwriter.
I'm going to tell you how thelabels work, though.

Speaker 5 (01:02:45):
It's common sense, though.
A label will cut you a check asa songwriter right Just because
you're a great songwriter andI'm a record label that got a
hundred artists.
I'm going to need you to writefor these artists anyway.
So why not give you a deal?
Because a lot of the greatsongwriters want to be great
artists, right?
So why not?
If I'm a label, why not justsign you?
Who cares if your album comesout or not?

(01:03:06):
I need you to work with myartists anyway, you understand
what I'm saying, so you're inhouse.
You understand what I'm saying,but I tell people all the time a
lot of artists don't understand.
I'll be like yo, bro, if thesongwriter is presenting the
lane for you to make some money,get the money and reinvest it
into your artistry.
And because, at the end of theday, you're making money, you

(01:03:27):
can reinvest it into you as anartist and you're gaining a
relationship with the artistyou're writing the song for.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
Mm-hmm, Like this shit is chestnut checkers, bro.
Everybody that make music got ahundred songs in the clip that
ain't nobody gonna hear.
Somebody can use them hooks,them ideas and some shit.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
I definitely got a hundred on them, j-zero still
drink.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
What's your relationship with Don Cannon?

Speaker 5 (01:03:47):
I just left Cannon the day before yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
What's y'all really?
What's that like?

Speaker 5 (01:03:51):
So me and Cannon shot the Ace McCloud.
Me and Cannon linked up myfirst run in the A through my
man Keysan and my man Jovon Daze.
So we linked up, then me andCannon did a tape and then I met
Ace McCloud after that.
It's crazy, that's all AceMcCloud.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Yeah, ace McCloud, that's family.
He was working too.

Speaker 5 (01:04:13):
I just left Cannon like two days ago Just had like
a three hour meeting with Cannon, Me, Cannon and Ace.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
That's crazy.
I ain't going to get you.
You can in the ace McCloud,yeah.
So what?
Y'all?

Speaker 5 (01:04:22):
you just told us what y'all doing.
Yeah, I'm saying, you know whatI mean.
Just stay tuned.
Yeah, we ordered I ain't goinglive.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
So there's one thing I want to ask you before we you
know.

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
I wanted to ask another question Yo yo, yo, yo,
yo yo yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo yo yo,
yo yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo,yo, yo yo yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo
, yo, yo, yo, yo yo yo, yo, yo,yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo,
yo yo yo, yo, yo, yo yo yoalways be like yo man, you and
lights my favorite niggas manyou're like oh man, once we get
light situated, you know, if youain't situated already, we

(01:05:04):
coming to get you.

Speaker 5 (01:05:05):
Bro, I need y'all to do the mixtape.
The big lights yeah, you feelwhat I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
That's why lights one of lights uh projects was
called quizzy's dream, rightyeah?

Speaker 5 (01:05:15):
because the choir, right, quiet like super,
believed in lights, was back inthis play.
Uh, you know, everybody needssomebody like that, you know,
know, I mean, and everybodydon't have somebody like that,
though that's the thing, youknow.
I mean.
He loved, he loved.
He loved lights genuinely andhe knew his talent.
But long story short, I was inone of the modes where I was in
between the music.
Music wasn't going my way damn,what's my next play, what I'm
gonna do?

(01:05:35):
And quad called me sitting inthe crib and he's like yo, bro,
bro, I just sent a video withyou and Lights to the cast and
director from Empire, she goingto call you.
Now this was Empire on fire.
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
I'm like nigga what the fuck.

Speaker 5 (01:05:48):
I'm like Kyle.
Stop playing on my phone, nigga.
I ain't in the mood for thatshit right now.

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):

Speaker 5 (01:05:55):
Five minutes later she called me.
So she like yo da da, da da da.
She said he sent Lights' videoto show them who Lights was.
There was a song me and Lightshad.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
They like I want the big guy.

Speaker 5 (01:06:07):
So the casting director was like yo, bring the
big guy too, Bring him up, Right.
So me and Lights she called me,she like but the audition's in
Chicago, Me, Lights, Qua, we alldrive to Chicago, right, we all
share one hotel room bus tohotel room.
Drive to Chicago Grind.
We go to the auditions.
I get to park lights, don't.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
Oh sh-.

Speaker 5 (01:06:28):
We go to the auditions.
We go into the audition.
Right as soon as we leave outthe audition, my phone will ring
.
A Chicago number call me.
I'm like what the fuck is thiswith Chicago All?

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
dumb and shit, it's them.

Speaker 5 (01:06:38):
Yo, you got to park lights audition lights don't get
the part.
So we on our way back.
They called likes to come backand audition for another rule.
He auditioned for that role.
Eliza ended up doing like fouror five weeks on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
I did one week, yeah I forgot lights was on empire
but that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Like that out the guys.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Man, y'all put that work in there yeah, no, you
really put your work in, man asa piece of quiet.

Speaker 5 (01:07:05):
I was my guy man, good dude.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
So let me ask you this, man.
This is probably the lastquestion I got for you Right,
your first one being the growthof ego, your last one being
being the Groove for Big O, yourlast one being don't tell me.
All I Can See Is the Money.

Speaker 5 (01:07:30):
No, so that's a German canon.
But what happened is I justuploaded a lot of my old
material onto the platforms.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
Okay, so it still show up like 2024.
The last one is like Sleazy.

Speaker 5 (01:07:38):
The last joint is called From Vegas, oh, from.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Vegas, from Vegas, okay, okay, from Vegas.
All right, so your last one isFrom Vegas.
First one to grow for Big O.
What is the main?
Like the number one.
I guess you could call it arule or like a type of a motto
you go by when they come to thismusic stuff, with all them

(01:08:03):
years you put in um, I guess theone thing I go by when it's
kind of making music is justquality first.

Speaker 5 (01:08:13):
Um number two just be yourself, bro, be yourself.
It's a million people out therethat see the world like you.
See it just gotta tap into, tapinto it.
Niggas be thinking they got to.
Oh, niggas doing this, I got todo that.
Niggas doing this, my nigga, beyou, whoever you are, because
that translates to the music.
When you fortunate and tryingto be other than self, niggas

(01:08:34):
going either, if we don't catchyou through the music, when we
get around you, we're going tocatch you and we're going to
know, like this, nigga, $3 bill.
You understand what I'm sayingBe you.
Quality first.
I love the music.
So at the end of the day, Ialways want to put out the best
quality and as long as I keephearing myself getting better
each project, I know I'm headedin the right direction.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Rob Markman 2 Chainz Right.
Yo man Big U.
I ain't gonna lie man Like Ilook at you as the face of
Trenton.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Face of Trenton.
It ain't really, it reallyain't like to me, it really
ain't no even.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
It ain't up for debate.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
Well-spoken.
Yeah, hold it down, droppingmaterial year after year on the
scene.
He's in Philly.
He got his foot in the water.

Speaker 5 (01:09:23):
There's so much talent in my city, right, this
run right now for me, to behonest, is really about exposing
that, because at the end of theday, right on my run over, I
want niggas to look back and belike damn, sonny just had a run
and was focused on himself.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
He had a run and tried to put other niggas in
position.

Speaker 5 (01:09:43):
The focus on himself.
He had to run and try to putother niggas in position.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
The whole thing behind the blessing is to bless
others, whatever that blessingmay be you understand what I'm
saying.

Speaker 5 (01:09:49):
I always spoke French , bro.
I always said, oui, my biggestshows ever.
I brung my niggas on the stageto perform 10 deep Cosmic.
Kev called me to do the come upshow.
I bring my niggas up there withme.
Opportunities come my way.
I bring my niggas Because Iwant y'all to experience and
understand and that the seedswas the plan for y'all early in
life, like they was for me tosee that this shit can happen if

(01:10:10):
we put in the work.
I tell niggas all the time thestage is big enough for
everybody that's going to earnthe spot to be there.
We ain't doing no favors, nigga.
You going to put in the work,you going to earn your seat on
the PJ.
But the PJ seats is limited,nigga.
Everybody can't go.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Right yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:10:27):
Real shit.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
Before we start these games, I want you to actually
tell the people some informationwhere they can find you.
Also, let them know what yougot coming soon and what you're
working on.

Speaker 5 (01:10:41):
IG Twitter B-I-G-O-O-H.
Big O, my next project Kobe atthe record DJ Filthy Rich,
produced entirely by DJ Raleigh.
Be on the lookout for that.
Be on the lookout for LifeLessons.
Big O, dj Drama.
Be on the lookout for that newproject.
Big O, don Cannon.
The clip loaded, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
Yo, he can be on the lookout for, like the three,
Jords, yeah man.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Yo what keep you so humble, like this, like even
your t-shirts.
Say one day at a time Like whatkeep you like that?

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
That's just how.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
I am.

Speaker 5 (01:11:15):
I pop my shit on the mic.
Ok, like I'm one of them niggas, I like to get on the court and
talk my shit.
Like you can't fuck with me,nigga.

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
You know you can't fuck with me.

Speaker 5 (01:11:22):
You know what I'm saying but I ain't a nigga, I
don't got to walk around theleague with that energy.
I feel like that's lame shit tome.
You know, what I'm saying.
I'm more of a like.
I like to interact with thepeople I like to go off energy
Every time, every game.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
Here on the really the most we play it.
We play a couple games, though,and this right game right here
called fast-track, ain't not toocrazy.
You just gotta pick one of theother.
I like to start with this one,cuz it's like I'm saying we
Philly and you so close toPhilly that I know you won't
really too so State property ormajor figures.

Speaker 5 (01:12:03):
Man don't do me like that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
That's the easy shit.
That's the easy one.

Speaker 5 (01:12:08):
Man don't do me like that.
That's just starting off,that's the easy one.
Ah, fuck, get real.
If I'm being honest, I got togo MF, mf.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
Yeah, I got to go MF, I gotta go MF, mf.
Yeah, I gotta go MF.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Okay, all right, you said you're keeping it honest.

Speaker 5 (01:12:25):
I gotta go MF, I would go SP.
I mean, I would go both, to behonest.

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
But I gotta go.

Speaker 5 (01:12:33):
MF.
Yeah, I gotta go MF, all right.
Let's go, go to the next one.
Oh, y'all don't get to answerthem, jax Keep, oh, y'all don't
get to answer them.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
Jax, keep it honest.
We good, we good, we good.
Yeah, stay property.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
He want help.

Speaker 5 (01:12:45):
Stay property good, you good.
I got prop.
Yeah, I'm going MF, bro, andthe reason I'm going to say that
, I'm going to say that we'regoing to keep it 1,000.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
Them boys hit them streets in another way, bro,
they Well SP was even together.

Speaker 5 (01:12:59):
I was just going to pick your thing a thousand For
sure you feel what I'm sayingand I'm state peak to the I love
both of them For sure, they forsure.
Good, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
No, hell yeah, they set a tone, bro.
The figures did what they did.
They set a tone, yeah, they did.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
We can't forget that I got to go Koo G rap Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:13:20):
No Slyke to Kane though, because Kane the legend
for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Yeah.
I'm going to ask the answer tohim too.

Speaker 5 (01:13:25):
I'm going Koo G, I'm going Kane, I'm going.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Koo G too Koo.

Speaker 5 (01:13:27):
G opened the door for that.
Talk, talk, talk.
You know what I'm saying Uh-huh.
Big Daddy, kane, my dadfavorite, so I'mUnit or Dipset.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Yeah, it's about to get there now.
We about to turn it up in thenext two minutes.

Speaker 5 (01:13:49):
I'm going to keep it tall, right, it depends on the
day of the week, because theremight be a Dipset mixtape.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
Well, we going today.

Speaker 5 (01:13:56):
Today I'm feeling like G-Unit Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
Dipset all day.
Dipset All day.

Speaker 5 (01:14:03):
You're not going to water down G-Unit mixtape game
like that, though.
Nah man their mixtape game wasgreat.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Nah, I fuck with Dipset too.

Speaker 5 (01:14:10):
Damn.
That's a tough one though, butyou can't say the Dipset mixtape
game.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
I mean Dipset is probably, and they are better
solo artists than G-Unit, likeTony Ayo and Young Buck.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
They are.

Speaker 5 (01:14:25):
Now let's Google this G-Unit artists sold more than
Dipset artists solo Big facts.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
All right 50.

Speaker 5 (01:14:32):
Banks Young Buck sold more than Jim.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Cam and Santana Is it better Impact-wise, I give
Dipset the impact?

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
No, is it better?

Speaker 5 (01:14:43):
Banks.
What it better.
They had some Banks.
What's that?
Some good albums.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Banks.

Speaker 4 (01:14:48):
Young Buck got a ball one better than Hustlers.
Hustlers got a ball one.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
Damn.

Speaker 5 (01:14:53):
That's tough.
Go to the next one, man.

Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
All my way to church.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
I said this set Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
Rockefeller Rough Riders, oh Rockefeller.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Rockefeller.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
I keep telling you you gotta switch that.
That ain't even a shit,rockefeller ain't got something
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Yeah, Rockefeller that ain't even a shit.
Rockefeller.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
The bow body right, Right.

Speaker 5 (01:15:18):
Facts Right, I'm Rockefeller to the end.
Man Monica Akishaku, everyRight, right, I'm Rockefeller to
the end man, that's it, that'sit.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
That's the argument every time, monica, yeah, I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Tank or Tyrese Damn.

Speaker 5 (01:15:30):
That's tough.
Oh man, that's crazy.
I'm going Tyrese.
I ain't going to lie Tyrese.
Last album was super crazy,though I like Tank Tank fire too
.
I like tank tank fire to Mm.
Hmm, hey, I will go to.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
Chris Brown Usher.

Speaker 5 (01:15:47):
I don't suppose.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
I even get there.

Speaker 4 (01:15:51):
Yeah, you tell me, oh boy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Yeah, wait, the one got to go.

Speaker 5 (01:15:55):
I got to go usher because I should came out first,
okay.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
I got to go yeah me too.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
Me too, I got to go.
I should to go, usher too.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
Yeah, me too, me too.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
I got to go Usher too .

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
Trey Songz or Ne-Yo oh.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Ne-Yo Trey Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:16:06):
Trey Ne-Yo Ping.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Gang Trey, my favorite.

Speaker 5 (01:16:10):
Ne-Yo Ping.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Gang Vittar.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
Yeah yeah, but Trey my favorite.

Speaker 5 (01:16:11):
Ne-Yo Ping Gang.
I fucking Trey too thoughopinion stupid, okay, um, by the
way marvin gaye or teddypendergrace?
Oh damn, nah come on no, youcan't say nothing about either

(01:16:35):
one of them.
Yeah, boy, I like teddy music Ilike teddy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Teddy got me too, teddy got me me, I like.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
Teddy Music better Harold Melvin and the.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
Blue Notes Teddy and.

Speaker 4 (01:16:45):
Marlon nigga I like Teddy better, I think Teddy from
when he from Philly, phillyyeah.

Speaker 5 (01:16:51):
Yeah, teddy was, teddy was Gosh, that's tough.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
Teddy, was that nigga ?
God bless Teddy man.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
I can't even keep that because, that's that's
crazy akon or jaheim

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
oh, jaheim, all that okay all that I tried new jersey
that ain't.

Speaker 5 (01:17:08):
Yeah, that was a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
That ain't even all right um queen latif for lauren
hill that's crazy jersey man.

Speaker 5 (01:17:20):
I gotta go queen latififah, because she set the
tone.
Yo, lauryn Hill is amazing.
Queen Latifah set the tonethough, so you know what I'm
saying.
I got to go with who?

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
came out Styles or Scarface Styles Kiss or beans.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Hey, yo, hey, yo.
Well, thanks for having me,guys.
You know what?

Speaker 5 (01:17:34):
I mean I appreciate you all for having me, you know
what I mean.
I appreciate you all for havingme.
You know what I mean Yo.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Yo Yo, that's a draw, though I don't really know who
I got with that Yo Kiss or Beenz, because Kiss was Kiss he been
trying to rap for Kiss while hegoing to the bathroom.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
I'm going to say I'm going to like.
I got pissed.
Because his catalog is way morebetter.
I'm biased.
Like they both rap equally thesame, I'm biased so I got to go
to catalog at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
I think Beans one of the best rappers ever in the
world, bro, I got to pick on him.
Bro, can't never go against him.

Speaker 5 (01:18:17):
When they beefed.
When they was beefing, I was soupset, bro, me too I ain't
gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
That was one of the worst, that's the best, that's
like the best hip-hop man matchever but, it hurt a lot of
people feelings bro.

Speaker 5 (01:18:35):
Yeah, yeah, no, I had to.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
No, no, no I'm saying , like not the battle they had.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
I'm saying that's the best matchup ever to battle, to
hell to put against it yeah,yeah, yeah, I mean damn so who
you come on, you gotta pick one.
That's what we doing we pickingsomebody.

Speaker 5 (01:18:53):
I got kiss, I got mac I got more hits better catalog
come on, we ain't even gonna doall that, if I'm gonna be honest
, be honest, I got beans man Allright, let's go, we being
honest, being real with the mosttoday.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
Y'all want to start the nextgame or Hold on.

Speaker 5 (01:19:09):
Oh shit, Kiss of beans is crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:19:12):
The heart is going to hold you, yeah that's crazy,
that's nuts, bro Martin theFresh Prince.

Speaker 5 (01:19:17):
Oh, Martin hands down .

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
All right, what's up, what we doing?
Martin hands down.

Speaker 5 (01:19:22):
Martin was giving in Leathers and all that Martin was
in his bag.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Kevin Hart?
My guess Kevin Hart, for sureKevin Hart, eddie Murphy or
Richard Pryor.

Speaker 5 (01:19:33):
Dang, I wasn't around for Richard Pryor, but Richard
Pryor funny as a motherfucker.

Speaker 4 (01:19:38):
I got to go.

Speaker 5 (01:19:38):
Eddie Murphy Coming to America is my favorite movie
growing up.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
All right.
Bum B or Scarface, scarfaceEasy, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:19:46):
Scarface Shot the bun though.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
That ain't easy For me, it is.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
For me it is Scarface .

Speaker 5 (01:19:51):
Scarface was another level with that shit.
Scarface was different yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
Shot the bun, though.
Yeah, bum.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
Hot.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
We gonna go this.
I'm still thinking about.

Speaker 5 (01:20:01):
Kiss of Beans man.
Yeah, that was crazy yeah thatwas crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
I don't even know why I said that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
That was crazy.
That was crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
One got to go Outkast or Mobb.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
Deep, mobb, deep All of that.
Mobb Deep.

Speaker 5 (01:20:12):
Shout out to Outkast, though.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
You went down south real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
That's real quick.
Hold on the Alchemist, orMadlib Alchemist, for sure Yo
Gotti or Rick Ross.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Ross.
All right, one gotta go, that'sgood.
All right, it's the opposite,you feel me.
We gonna see four things andone gotta get out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Shout out to all them people we just named Bring like
list to your name.
You already know we trying toshine.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
All y'all stars.
Already we going Philly, ohshit, huh, yeah, everything
about them.
They actually got to go.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
Let me go Atlanta first.
Oh, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
So, whatever person you kick out the house, they got
to pack their shit and roll.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
No matter what they did, they signed somebody.
All that, yeah, all right, herewe go.
One got to go.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
TI Jeezy Gucci man.
Yo Gotti One got to go.

Speaker 5 (01:21:10):
Damn Gucci.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
I'm going to holler at you cuz Yo.
He kicked the craziest niggaout.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
He got to go.
I will put out Gucci too.
He got to dip like Ranch.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
I will put Gucci out, gucci too.
You got to dip like Ranch.
I will put Gucci out too.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
You got to dip like Ranch, I ain't kicking the rest
of them out.
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
Gotti got to go.
I ain't kicking Gotti out.
Cmg is fun.
Yeah, Gotti got to go.
Gucci man discovered the wholeAtlanta, so without Gucci you're
not getting none of them.
That's cool.

Speaker 5 (01:21:43):
Like thug or nothing.
I mean it's cool, God blesseverybody Can't bless everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
I had to think about it.
You can't bless everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
I could do without CMG.
Bro Thug was at TI.
I could do without CMG.
No, I could do without them.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
Get them Glo, glo, got the streets lit Moneybag.
Glovrilla Black Young Thug.

Speaker 5 (01:22:05):
all I could do without them, I can't do,
without Migos, I cannot dowithout Migos.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
I cannot do without Feature or Young Thug that Gucci
Mane founded.
All of them, they not on 1017.

Speaker 5 (01:22:18):
Not future.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
He founded, like it's already in the.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Not future, no, you, that's they he founded like is
already in the Not future future.
Yes, he did.
This uncle is future.
You know who?

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
future people is Rico .
Wings Future was at DungeonFamily.
I never said future.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
I said thug migos.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
You said future too.
You said future, you did sayfuture.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
And, and, and on some real shit.
Gucci was the first one for himand rocco was the first one
with future.
Everybody down south bro, guccihad parts like all the street
who was hot and nick and thelabels were scared to with.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
That's true, gucci was with him, gucci had the
studio and they all was goingthere.

Speaker 5 (01:22:54):
She ain't got no executive position somewhere.
That's how you know the game up, bro.
All them people, that all thepeople.
Bro, he should be an execsomewhere, somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
Philly, one gotta go.
He got his own label, that'swhy, that's why yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
All right, Philly.
Oh shit, NH Reed Meet HattieOne gotta go.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Don't drink the water right now.
God damn, you got brown on too.

Speaker 5 (01:23:19):
That shit, I'm goinga keep it real right.
No disrespect.
I love what everybody's doneand contributed to the culture,
but Reed probably gotta go cuz.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
Reed gotta go for me yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
Reed right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:23:31):
I can see a nigga now putting up all types of posts
behind this shit.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
No, we good, we do this every day.
Man Niggas got me fucked up, nowe do this every day.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
Somebody got to go every time.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
Somebody going to have to go.
All right, All right you readyyou ready.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Let's see what Beans Free Crack Chris Nah come on
Free.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
Got to go, bro, free, how, how you said.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
You said Ho ho, freak , still the head.
All right, let's debate thisreal quick no now we starting
something.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
No, no, no, let's debate this real quick Beans
Freeway, young Chris and PD.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
Crack All right, but look, let's debate this real
quick.
It depends who you kicking themout.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
Why you kicking them out?
Ho ho, go ahead Filling up yourfreeway now.

Speaker 4 (01:24:20):
Sit back, bro.
Sit back, white boy, let's geton him dog.

Speaker 5 (01:24:23):
Can I say this?
I'm going to say this as a fanand I don't want no backlash
from this, because I love theseniggas, bro.
I don't even know why weplaying this game like this,
yeah, man.
I got to let bro go, and thisis the premise why I'm letting
him go Because he never releaseda full left album.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
I was gonna say the same person that has to play a
part out of the full.

Speaker 5 (01:24:54):
That's automatic no that nigga is fired, you can't
say you're not hot 100% betterthan Freeway.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
I'm not letting him go.
I'm free, fired too.
You can't say you're not hot.
100% better than Freeway.
I'm not letting them go.

Speaker 5 (01:25:04):
That's Philadelphia Freeway.
I don't care, bro, I'm gladyou're not Philadelphia Freeway.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
He's not nowhere near PD Crack bro.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Freeway is nowhere near PD.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
Crack bro.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
So you said, you said who is Crack versus oh PD,
crack versus, I guessPhiladelphia.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
Freeway can get out of here, bro PD.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
Crack, me too Crack.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
Free.

Speaker 4 (01:25:23):
Free.
I love Crack too, man.
Free got to go, guys, I ain'tthinking about you.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
Sometimes talent just matters that much, bro.
Hey Free, get up here Free.
Pd Crack wasn't on Hot 9-7Freestyle.

Speaker 5 (01:25:35):
PD Crack wasn't on Hot 9-7.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
Freestyle.
Hey, Crack do this Get in hereA-Mod.
This was my idea.
Which one One gotta go?
Who?
All right one gotta go.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
All right.

Speaker 5 (01:25:47):
What's up with the?

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
female rappers in Philly.
We got you here we go righthere, big China.
I talked to him.
I talked to him Rocky, here wego, big China.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
Ah, let me give you what Go ahead Lay banks, lay
banks, and we could throw.
And one chain.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
No, no, tierra wet.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
Tierra, wet man.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
Rocky one chain Tierra wet.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Oh, no, no, no, no, lee Mason.

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
She got to come outside first, All right all
right.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Yeah, you right, go ahead, tierra wet.

Speaker 5 (01:26:21):
Shout out to Leigh.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Yeah, Leigh got to come outside.
Bro, she outside.
She had a show last night.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
She outside, though I know, she had a show last night
, yeah she did.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
She still got a show.
What was?

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
them again, say the names again.
Tierra Whack.

Speaker 5 (01:26:48):
No Rocky like ranch hold on yo she's coming up here
next week too, pussy.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
Yeah, make sure y'all play this, so you tell us y'all
play this for it too because Iwith china, yeah, rocky china
lay banks, and who was that?

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
who was that last one ?

Speaker 4 (01:27:02):
banks, and who was that last one?

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
Rocky TR.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Wett, I think Damn.
I think that might be rightthough.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
Yeah, china might do have to go on that list.
Right there, that's right there.

Speaker 5 (01:27:11):
I'ma only say?

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
I'ma only say I fuck with China, me too, because
that's my dog, yeah, that's atough list.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
That's a tough list.
That's tough, that's tough.
We got more females too, thoughyou know what I'm saying.
I like.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
Kate Gleason.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Yup.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
Yeah, I like it, there's a few more.

Speaker 5 (01:27:27):
I like Chyna too.
Yeah, I like her, Matter offact.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
I want y'all to release a little bit more,
though y'all.
Let's drop some tapes out there.
Let's see some morecollaborations with our females
in the city you know what I'msaying and let's support the
females in the city a little bitmore too.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
Show up to them shows , so fuck all that China gar Go.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
When he get up here he go like China I love you so
much.
I know, like I was, just I washot at night.

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
Like you know, like you know, I spent your whole
verse I did like your wholeverse that whole verse you did
last night.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
Let's do the heavy hitter man let's go let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
This is the one.
It's time for it.
He like that, ain't that, ain'tit?

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
I thought this was it all right, look, no personal if
you let them, let them go.
They wasn't even born, bro Dang.

Speaker 4 (01:28:27):
You're taking this out of here, bro, it'll be silly
as shit.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
All right, Dr Dre, Diddy Birdman, Jay-Z.

Speaker 5 (01:28:37):
Birdman.
What that's easy, huh Easy.
No, we done.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
One more time.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
That's easy.

Speaker 1 (01:28:43):
Huh Easy.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
No we done One more time.
That's easy, wrap this shit up,bro Birdman cuz.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
Wrap this shit up, bro.

Speaker 5 (01:28:49):
Hey, Birdman, I'm going to holler at you, cousin.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
It was a little lame, just leave it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
Get up, get up.
Hey, yo Birdman, I'm going toholler at you, son.

Speaker 5 (01:28:58):
We're going to holler at you when we out.
All right, this is the one andthe most podcast.
Hold on hold on.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
Y'all said Dr Dre Diddy.
And who?
Dr Dre Diddy?
Birdman and Jay-Z.
One got to go, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
Birdman nigga.
So you done with Nicky.
Yeah, you done with Drake.

Speaker 5 (01:29:22):
You done with Drake.
You gon' get rid of Puffin.
Get rid of Biggie.
You gon' get rid of Jay.
You gon' get rid of Dr Dre.
Get rid of Snoop.
Nigga, what Birdman gotta go?
You can't do it out the WestCoast, nigga.
Birdman got to go, nigga.

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
So no Wayne, no Drake , no BG, hey yo so we not.
So it's not like we just goingto X out all of them, though.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
Bro Lil Wayne Argyle be the best rapper ever bro
Jaquese, come on, go ahead, cutthe camera.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
Yo, this the real of the most podcast this the real
of the most podcast.

Speaker 5 (01:29:52):
You're not going to like what I'm about to say, yo.
You're not going to like whatI'm about to say oh and I.
I'm not going to say it becauseI'm not in a position to say it
.
I'm not in a position to say it.
You're not going to like it.
I'm about to say it.
Yo sit back down.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
Say it.
This is the Rolling Bullspodcast.
Make sure you share, like,subscribe, comment.
If you don't do, you know Yoput my potato Because it's free.

Speaker 5 (01:30:18):
Because, do you know with?

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
shit.

Speaker 5 (01:30:20):
Okay, then I know where that's going, just leave
it alone.
What?

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
What you gonna say.
Gilly, that's what you wasgonna say, hello.

Speaker 3 (01:30:30):
Hello.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
What's the real podcast?
I'm rolling, I'm Cash.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
I'm out of world Cash .

Speaker 3 (01:30:37):
Who you.
I'm out of world Cash, that'swhite boy D2A.

Speaker 5 (01:30:41):
I'm white boy D2.
That's why I do it.
Greatest rapper ever.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
I said arguably, I'm arguing all right, name five,
five Rappers that you can reallysay better than Wayne five
rappers yes, jay-z, notoriousbig Jadakiss, iiss, beanie,
seagull.

Speaker 5 (01:31:06):
That's four.
You fucked up.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
You fucked up already , Nigga.
What?
What are you talking about?
What are?

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
you talking about he's still talking.

Speaker 4 (01:31:13):
He's still talking.
I ain't gonna lie Cash.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
Cash Cash, he's still talking.
Who said what?

Speaker 5 (01:31:20):
Jadakiss and Bean's not better than Lil Wayne.
No, no, hey yo no.
How long you been listening toLil Wayne?
My whole life I been listeningto Lil Wayne when Lil Wayne
wasn't rapping like that Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
You said Jadakiss, better than.

Speaker 5 (01:31:33):
Wayne.
Hey, yo Wayne wasn't always youknow what and I love Wayne.
You all due respect.
By the end of the day, Wayne,transition come from.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
Gil Wayne will tell you, jayda kissed one time Wayne
transition come from.

Speaker 5 (01:31:44):
Who just said Jayda kissed better than Wayne?
Nigga Wayne transition comefrom Gil.
If we're going to keep it allthe way, 1,000.
Let's get into that and we'regoing to talk about it.
Nigga Wayne was not evenrapping like that until Gil came
around here bro, he don't wantto get into that let's get into
Wayne.

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
We never spoke on it.
We never spoke, we never spokeon it.
We never spoke on it.

Speaker 5 (01:32:09):
I love Wayne, but what I'm saying is this we did
Gil was heavily influenced, gilwas a heavy influence of Wayne.
Bro, right or wrong, bro, justreal shit.
This is facts.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
If you listen?

Speaker 5 (01:32:26):
I'm saying that's your opinion.
What I'm saying is this wecrown niggas as the best.
I crown niggas that have noaccusation of niggas, putting
pen to paper for them.
Yeah, if the ghostwriter thingis the thing associated with

(01:32:48):
your name.
You cannot be the best lyricist.
You can be the bigger artist.
You can have the bigger songs,you can sell out the bigger
concerts.
If I say the best rapper, therecan be no accusation of another
nigga putting a pen to paperfor you.
Talk Hold on Talk.
Let me finish.
I've seen Gilly not write forWayne, but I've heard his

(01:33:11):
influence and cadence in Wayne'sflow.
If you look at the video whereGilly and Wayne had the MF chain
on, Gilly was sitting next tohim saying shit, word for word.
Go DJ Me being a writer, I knowthe feeling of writing for
someone else and saying it wordfor word, because that's really
me, nigga Right right, right,that's me, yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:33:31):
Yeah, I get that, that Roberto.

Speaker 5 (01:33:32):
Cavalli talking all that shit.
He was not rapping like that,bro, and there's nothing wrong
with being influenced and allthat shit, but we just we're
going to put on the tape.
It's really the most, it'sreally the most.

Speaker 3 (01:33:42):
We're going to keep it a thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
Yeah, no problem, you know what I'm saying.
No question, don't put that onour name.

Speaker 5 (01:33:46):
No, so what I'm saying is this If you say yo,
he's the bigger artist you get.
I don't know about nobody else.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
Best top five, dead or alive, right here.

Speaker 5 (01:34:05):
Top five dead or alive?
Yeah, alright, talk to me, I'mlistening.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
Jay-Z.

Speaker 5 (01:34:11):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
Biggie Smalls.

Speaker 5 (01:34:14):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
Lil Wayne.

Speaker 5 (01:34:17):
I'm not mad at that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
It's not even though it is, though, but it is, and
this way it gets tricky.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
This way it gets tricky.
Jadakiss, you better say kiss.
No, it's not All right, goahead.
No, it's not, go ahead, don'trap better than bro.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 5 (01:34:35):
He don't rap better, he don't Bro.
Bro Jadakiss, do not rep BroJadakiss, do not rep better than
Joel.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
Santana, bro, he don't, he don't.
You said what he don't, hedon't.
Who he don't he don't Bro, hedon't bro.
The fuck is you talking?

Speaker 4 (01:34:53):
about Jadakiss.

Speaker 1 (01:34:58):
Jadakiss, if Joel not rap better than him, bro, what
are you talking about, bro?

Speaker 5 (01:35:02):
No, he don't Jadakiss .
No, oh, bro, with all duerespect, bro.
Bro with all due respect, Iknow, hold on, let me, just let
me, just because I know, becauseguess what?
What's going to happen?
Is this clip right here goingto go viral?

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
Let me say this to you I'm saying this to you from
an elder's space he acting badright now, O he didn't say can't
or what.

Speaker 5 (01:35:26):
Hold on, hold on.
He didn't say better songs, hedon't rap better than Jadakiss.
You had the floor.
Let me respond.

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
You had the floor.

Speaker 5 (01:35:33):
At the end of the day , bro, sometimes when we dieting
and we cleaning out our system,our brains don't be functioning
.
I see the way you was lookingat the wing For the salad delay.

(01:35:58):
I know what you're goingthrough you know what you're
doing.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
You know what you're doing.
You're going crazy over there.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
You got, bro.
Let me tell you something.
Bro, you might get a check forthat shit you're saying right
now, let me tell you something.

Speaker 1 (01:36:10):
Everybody, everybody.
Hey look A cool little level100 a month.

Speaker 5 (01:36:16):
You trippin'.
One thing I noticed ever goingto agree with this Yo comment,
and please tell this nigga hetripping.

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
I'm not a masses nigga.
I can name five people rightnow that rap better than way,
better than people thateverybody Jadakiss, beans,
eminem, jay-z.
Bro, it's really niggas outhere, bro, that was biting
niggas.
Big L, nigga J, big L, niggaJoel.

(01:36:44):
Bro, joel Santana Is one of thebest rappers ever, bro Redman
and all niggas like that, bro.
Y'all niggas just be hearing.

Speaker 5 (01:36:49):
Other niggas say shit .

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
And then just be like .

Speaker 5 (01:36:51):
God bless Big L's soul.

Speaker 1 (01:36:55):
For real, when Joel's is one of them.
God nigga, it's tripping bro.

Speaker 5 (01:36:58):
We ain't got more from Joel's than Gilly.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
We ain't got more from.
Juelz than Gilly.

Speaker 1 (01:37:02):
Juelz pin not better than Kiss.
We ain't got more from Juelzthan Gilly Fuck is y'all talking
about Juelz?

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
pin is not better than Kiss, bro, I don't care
what you say.

Speaker 5 (01:37:11):
Juelz Santana pin in comparison to this conversation.
We ain't got more from.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
Juelz than you.
That's fucking, hey, bro.

Speaker 5 (01:37:24):
Look up all the facts .
I just want y'all to know thisPodcast people out there in TV
land I don't stand behind.
None of that shit.
That shit sounds crazy.
Juelz Santana is no match upfor old Jadakiss.
They showed it already.
Now, jadakiss, let go.
Are you fucking crazy, nigga?
They showed it already.
Now, jadakiss, let go.
Are you fucking crazy, nigga?

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
But this held the group down down there.

Speaker 5 (01:37:43):
You can't name me a fucking verse that Joel Santana
spit.
That's crap.
Are you fucking crazy?
Are you crazy, bro?
He on something bro.
I'm cool, you on something bro.
Hey, y'all niggas live by theshit.
Jadakiss did this, the real ofthe that shit bro.

(01:38:05):
Yeah, you fucking tripping, youtripping.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
Better than 80% of the niggas y'all be getting.
Oh, Kiss ain't a part of that80.
I'm going to keep it real.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
Not Kiss, not one of them.

Speaker 5 (01:38:20):
Juelz never spit no line to this.
I'm going to say this Jewels, Ifuck with Jewels.
Jewels had good beats.
Jewels had good records.
Jewels ain't no lyricist,though he cannot hang in there
with Beans and Kiss bro.
Jewels ain't no Word Smith.
That nigga ain't known for nobars.
When the fuck was JewelsSantana known for bars.

(01:38:42):
He makes good records.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
I said something wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:38:48):
He makes good records .
He not known for bars?

Speaker 2 (01:38:53):
It's the Real of the Most podcast man.

Speaker 5 (01:38:55):
Joel Santana never had a hip-hop quotable in the
Source magazine, that's all Ican say this shit been over.
Real shit.
Real of the Most podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:39:04):
That's all I can say.
This shit been over, real shit.

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