March 27, 2025 • 35 mins
What makes a great anime trope? And which ones make you roll your eyes every time they appear? In this episode, Andrew and Jordan break open the vault of anime storytelling devices to examine what works, what doesn't, and why certain character archetypes have become legendary.
The hosts kick off with their regular Realm Rumors segment, discussing updates on Dragon Ball Daima (including Super Saiyan 4's new "canon" status) and developments in the Crunchyroll controversy involving an employee's termination after filing an ADA request. Then they dive into their main discussion—the tropes that elevate anime storytelling versus those that drag it down.
Training arcs earn high praise from the duo, with Andrew highlighting how Hunter x Hunter's Heaven's Arena and Jujutsu Kaisen's unconventional emotional training create meaningful character development and set up future conflicts. Jordan champions tournament arcs like Naruto's Chunin Exams and My Hero Academia's Sports Festival as perfect storytelling vehicles that showcase character abilities while delivering spectacular fight sequences.
But not all tropes receive such glowing reviews. Jordan critiques excessive fan service that interrupts storytelling, while Andrew surprisingly takes aim at the overused tragic backstory trope, particularly how Sasuke's tale in Naruto seemed endless. The pair also debate overpowered main characters, glasses-pushing character archetypes, and share which anime first hooked them on the medium—Dragon Ball for Jordan and Fullmetal Alchemist for Andrew.
Whether you're a seasoned anime fan or just getting started, this episode will have you examining your favorite series through fresh eyes. What tropes do you love? Which ones drive you crazy? Let us know in your reviews!
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📰 Realm Rumors:
https://www.cbr.com/dragon-ball-daima-akira-toriyama-involvement-proof/
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to Realm Jumpers.
I'm Andrew and this is myco-host, jordan.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hey everyone.
We're here to dive into theworlds of fantasy and anime,
bringing you epic stories andunforgettable adventures.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
We'll be talking world building, unforgettable
villains and everything thatmakes these genres legendary.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
So let's jump into the realm and everything that
makes these genres legendary.
So let's jump into the Realm.
All right, thanks for joiningus again.
Tonight we're going to discusssome different anime tropes the
ones we love, the ones we hate,and maybe a bonus round thrown
in as well.
We'll dive right in after wecover some Realm rumors.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
How you doing.
Dude, I'm ready to roll, man,I'm, do you?
What do you have for me thisweek?
What realm rumors do you got?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
so mine is gonna be about dragon ball daima, which
is a new anime they made aboutdragon ball.
Uh, it is not after super, it'sactually before super started,
I guess.
So, and and which is super isweird too, because it takes
place before the end of DragonBall Z actually.
(01:08):
So this is now Dragon Ball Zstop Daima, stop Super and then
back to Dragon Ball Z for thequote ending, which is insane,
but and it's you know, it wasmade by the late great Akira
Toriyama.
This was his last thing heworked on before he passed.
Rest in peace.
Obviously, the man is a legendand the GOAT and it's a cool
(01:33):
story.
I've been watching it.
I was watching it every week.
It kind of fell off.
I'm not a big fan of turningGoku into a kid, you know.
Again, I don't really like thatGT'sts, you know, spit on and
stuff, because it's technicallynot canon, because the studios
did it back in the day, wait,hold on gt's not canon.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Nope, it's not okay my knowledge of it's been so
long since I've seen dragon ball.
My knowledge of dragon ball is,you know, the hyperbolic
chamber, 40, 48 million cellsand, uh, the four episode,
kamehameha yeah, yeah, yeah, no,I I feel you, man, I get it and
it's just weird.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I like this because in a way, I don't know how to
say, super ended and super wasawesome, right, and the manga
kept going.
So there's some way, there'sarcs that they could animate and
super ended I think it mighthave been seven years ago which
is crazy to say that.
And we all just want more Super.
And we're doing a daima aboutGoku being wish small.
(02:33):
All the Dragon Ball casts wishsmall.
They're in the Demon Realm.
They're looking for the DragonBalls in the Demon Realm to undo
them being.
Whatever the story is, whateverthe big news, I have the big
news.
Another question though.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Oh, go ahead, go ahead, is it?
They were made small, like thechibi mode, small where they're
all small and cute, or likebeing a drone.
Oh, no man they're chibi.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
yeah, well, like, oh, when goku was 10, it's
literally gt, it's literallyanother version of gt, and even
to the point of and I kind ofbailed because I just got tired
of it.
One cool thing Vegeta did goSuper Saiyan 3.
So that was cool.
We've all assumed he could doit because he could go God mode
and all other stuff later on.
It was cool to see it.
(03:16):
Kind of lame, he was a kidversion, quote.
But I'll take what I can getwith Vegeta.
He's my man.
And Goku ended up going SuperSaiyan 4, which is the furry.
Which awesome mode.
I always loved it from GTbecause it looks really cool.
And now it's quote canon, buthe has pink fur instead of red
and his hair is pink instead ofblack and he's a kid and he's
(03:38):
not big.
And, yeah, I'm not the biggestfan of it.
I guess it's cool to say thatthat happened, but it doesn't
make sense in context becausewhen he fights Beerus later in
Super he doesn't go for againstBeerus.
So what are we talking about?
But hey, that's Dragon Ball andCannon are kind of all over the
place.
Yeah, but the internet is happyto get a Cannon Super Saiyan 4,
(03:59):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Heck, yeah man.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
What about you?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
You got guys, yeah, yeah, man, what about you?
You got one as well, right I do.
This is kind of an update tothe last week's story, or the
week before recently, one of our, one of our recent realm rumors
at the drama at crunchy roll,um I'd like to hear that yeah,
we, we explained to you guys andyou know we brought you the
story about sean hoffman.
He was a software that uh wascanned after filing an ada,
which not a good look in 2025.
Right, especially with thisguy's story.
(04:28):
Again, you know his mother ison.
He found out in 2024, hismother's got terminal cancer and
this man just comes down withthe worst case of stress, you
know, severe stress.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
And as you would write, of course something's
going wrong with my mom.
I'm going to stress the hell outtoo.
So it's just not a good look,but anyway there's, there's an
update to it.
He has filed the complaint withthe you know, with the
unemployment, and, as Isuspected, there most likely
will be a full lawsuit afterthis.
I don't see how he go with thelawsuit, how he go with the
(05:06):
lawsuit.
Um, he did post his, he didpost the update via linkedin.
So for anybody that wants tocheck that out, we will have the
you know, the links to thearticle in in the show notes for
the podcast.
But there is.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I did see something where he was sent a letter by
the execs or by someone and theywere like threatening him not
to letter yeah, and he's likewhat you know, yeah, so this is
gonna get ugly.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I did see there was other people who came out about
some work conditions as well,though Not just him, it's, and
that's why I didn't want to gotoo deep into it because this
thing, just like this, is therabbit hole, of rabbit holes
right now, you know, like we candive into this.
I bet we could spend twoepisodes talking about the
issues going on.
Two episodes talking about theissues going on crunchy roll
(05:46):
right now and, with you know,some of the other studio
conditions that are being seenacross the world or not across
the world, across the, you knowthe industry anime industry.
Um, we, we could spend severalepisodes talking about that.
That's why I didn't want to golike too too much into that.
But hey, you know, we bring itto light.
We'll provide you with thearticle links for you to dive
into the rabbit hole if you sochoose yeah, let's talk about
(06:06):
fun stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, right, that's what we're here for, absolutely
here to talk about the shit thatbrings us joy, absolutely so
you.
You go first on this one manthat you came up with the idea.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I think you deserve the uh, the top spot there I
don't know, I don't know aboutthe top spot man, but okay, so
we are talking about animetropes that we love and hate
this week.
So you know, the first one thatI that I got to talk about,
it's just you have to love it.
Well, I guess you don't have to, but I have to, and a lot of
people apparently do love it isthe.
(06:37):
You know it's a plot trope,it's the training, or who
doesn't love a good training arc?
Tell me you didn't watch Rocky,and just you know, yes, that's
not anime.
But tell me you don't watch ascene, like you know, rocky
getting his training on andyou're like, yes, I'm pumped up,
let's go.
Montage music let's do it Right,yeah, montage music, let's do
(06:59):
it, and really, that's all youneed to say about a training arc
.
I feel like that that plottrope works well in so many
different animes?
oh yeah, because you have tohave it you have to have it for
certain types of series.
But you know, specifically,like, let's talk about what it
sets up, what it does right forthe show.
It gives meaning to that nextbig battle, right.
(07:21):
So when gone, like hunter,hunter, uh, when gone and kilua
go to the heavens arena, youknow, and they start getting
into that, they quickly realizethere's a.
There's a uh, not a penalty gap, there's a a skill gap.
Right, when they get to thattop floor, like there's a major
skill gap, they can't even, theycan't even go past the hallway.
(07:41):
You know, because of that skillgap and that's because they're
not nin users.
And so you know you've got thetraining art and you know they
weren't just experts right fromjump street.
The teacher, you know he.
You know he initially evaluatedhim.
He said you know he's, Iremember he's thinking in his
head he's like man, these kidshave got skill but they're not
trained, they don't have thatraw, they just don't know what
(08:03):
the hell they're doing with it.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
They're kind of just like winging it and they don't
have steps that they do Exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
They've got the talent, but the skill's not
there.
So the training arc builds upfor that payoff at that next big
battle, which is what happensfor Gon.
You see him go through the nextcouple of battles and that
culminates with that huge fightwith Hisuka.
And it doesn't matter that heloses the fight.
The point is, the respect isthere right, which is what Gon
(08:30):
was looking for from thebeginning.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Oh yeah, he got that, respect yeah he got the respect
.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
It wasn't a win or lose thing for him.
I don't think Gon cared whetherhe won or he lost.
I'm pretty sure he knew he wasgoing to lose.
He and it can also be used toto develop the characters
emotionally, like in thisinstance it was used to develop
Gon and Killua physically ormaybe a little bit mentally.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
But yeah, definitely mentally too Well at least with
Yuji, right you?
That's one of your examplesyou're telling me about it's
mental.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
That would be more that would be more emotional.
And then a little bit of themental right, because season one
JJK right after he gets broughtin by Gojo, we've already
established that he has no ideahow to control his emotions, and
that's why Homeboy is able totake him over and basically run
away with him so easily, easilyand uh, you know.
(09:31):
So you've got that training arcthere and it's of course it's
an unconventional training arc.
He's got a hilarious.
Gotta watch a bunch of stupidmovies and I think he has to
stay awake too right like yeah,and I swear titanic's in there.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I think like saving private ryan or something like
we know the movie, like theyhint at it and you're just like
he's.
You can't get emotional.
You gotta watch it, right?
I've never seen that type oftraining before.
So, right, super funny, yeah,but actually it works.
I mean it does.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
It's still a training arc and it works and you know,
for again, for that, you know,for that specific training arc,
for that specific characterwho's a little bit mental but
also more, you know, emotionaltraining.
But it's still a training arc.
It still sets up for the nextbig thing, you know.
It sets up what has to overcome, what he's got to do for that
next series of battles, for thenext things he needs to be able
(10:16):
to do to live, or they're goingto kill him.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Literally he's done Gojo's the only reason they
haven't done it?
They want to do it, but they'rescared of King Gojo there.
So, yeah, yeah for sure.
Well, you know, it's funnybecause your training arc I mean
it literally what nine out often times leads kind of right
into a tournament arc, usuallyusually right after, right,
shortly after and that's one ofmy favorite love ones is those
(10:41):
tournament arcs.
Man, they are just so fun, youknow it.
You watch the anime.
Likely you're watching it forfights most of the time, and
when they pull off a torment arcin a cool way or a new way or
just, you know, an interestingway or whatever it, um, it's,
it's really just, it reallyhooks you in.
I mean, there's so manyexamples of it.
Of course, there was definitelyone in jutsu kaisen.
(11:03):
Uh, if you remember, it was uh,their, their, uh, school versus
the other.
You know, like all that.
You know there were differentclasses of super cool, great
fight scenes.
Um, hunter x hunter, you saidit, heavens gate arena, that's
kind of a tournament thing asyou are literally going through
fights to level, you know, toget to the next level, uh, some
big ones, you know, obviously,fairy tale, the grand magic
(11:25):
games, epic, epic the epicbefore.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
The four dragon.
You know the four dragon duke'sfight just awesome, and I don't
even know why they call it.
Four dragon slayers fight.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
That was nazi versus the other two yeah, yeah, I was
in it for 30 seconds.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, guys stop which I still love him.
He's so cool.
Good, joseph, he pushed himinto a mining cart, just shoved
him off down the railroad andthen what was it?
Two episodes later, after allthe fights are over.
He's like where you been, youbig idiot?
He's like do you not rememberwhat you did to me?
What you did?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
yeah I love.
He said he's that show is great.
I don't care anyone says, uh,you got the here.
You know I'm a big my hero fan.
I know you haven't started ityet.
I'm sure soon at some point youwill.
But they do have a ua um sportsfestival, which is literally,
uh, it's a, it's a tournamentand there's different games and
then there's fights, obviously.
So that's really cool and itgauges the growth of the
(12:15):
characters and it's one verseones.
You know the whole thing.
So that's always, you know,super fun.
And then, um, you know thetuning exams in nardo.
I mean, it's kind of one of thebest examples.
You know it's when shit hit thefan or stuff hit the fan.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I should say, you know, and really just I gotta
kick it off I gotta say, thougheverybody loves, I'm gonna have
a slightly different take hereon the tuning exams than every
everybody else probablyeverybody loves right.
When you get to the one on onev one battles and rockley drops
them weights and it just becomeslike just boom.
You know you get this majorepic thing going that was epic,
(12:52):
though, dude, that was epic.
But I gotta back it up.
I'm sorry the written test forme cracked me up.
That was the best.
That was the best arc.
That was the best mini arc inthe tournament arc because it
just like the whole tuning exam,that written exam, naruto's
just over there sweating bulletsright and then they're cheating
(13:13):
everyone's cheating everybody.
Yeah, that's the point,everybody's, except for sakura.
She's home dude wins and hehasn't.
Oh, I mean not wins home dudepasses, and he didn't even write
a damn answer on his page it'sgreat dude, but that's the thing
, it's the whole, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
And then it the battle part, and then in the
woods and that's the wholeroachy bar thing, like great it
may be, one of, it's probably itis actually probably one of the
best tournament slash typethings, um, and then of course,
with the roachy bar, with thefourth of you know he didn't
even want to write that.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Really, he didn't even want to write it.
He didn't want to write atournament.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
And they were like you got to do it.
They kind of pushed him into it.
Well, it was probably one ofyou know, in the original Naruto
it's probably one of the mostpivotal, you know story arcs?
Yeah, I agree, that's great.
Well, he should thank them forthat one, right?
Sorry, man should thank themfor that one, right, because,
(14:12):
sorry, I don't know.
No, you're good, I, I love itwhen you do that because it
makes it interesting.
And the last one and this isanother series that I think it
just got canceled, I don't know,I never finished it the the
story of the manga dead manwonderland.
Do you ever watch that?
Do you remember that one?
No, I don't.
It's, uh, people put it likethey're in a prison and they
have to fight for the survival.
It's like very gladiator,modern day stuff.
It's a dope series.
(14:34):
Uh, they can use blood as aweapon, which is pretty cool.
Like, okay, there's, there'ssome cool stuff in it.
Um, and theirs was called thecorpse carnival.
It was literally a fight to thedeath, while, uh, hell, yeah,
people would like bet.
Yeah, super cool series.
Um, I don't remember.
It definitely didn't finish inone season, but I feel like they
need to finish it because itwas really, really cool.
(14:55):
So, yeah, for me, man,tournament arcs.
I'm a sucker for it, dude forsure.
What about you?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
What's your next one.
I do like a good tournament arc, but the next one for me would
have to be a character archetype, so I got to go.
One for me would have to be acharacter archetype, so I gotta
go.
And this is probably myall-time favorite anime trope
period the slacker sensei.
Ding, ding, ding, heck.
Yeah, you know, jiraiya,captain yami gojo, you got these
(15:23):
.
I, I love a slacker sensei,right, and I don't, I don't know
man um kakashi, right, he'spretty slacker, he's always
reading yeah, not as slacker asthe rest of those guys but not
as dry though, right yeah yeah,um, yeah, I don't know, they're
all, it's just, they're all.
There's always going to bethese things that are that line
up for every single one, right,they're all going to be
(15:43):
extremely powerful, obviously,um, but they don't act like your
traditional mentor, you know,they're not're not.
They're not like oh God, what'shis name?
Rock Lee's teacher, guy Guy.
They're not like guy Right.
They're not these super serioustraining people, you know, I
mean they're serious abouttraining, but they're just, they
don't take themselves seriously.
They don't take anythingseriously until it's time for
(16:05):
the fight.
Right, they're, they'rereckless, they're reckless.
They're drunk, passed outsomewhere.
Captain Yami, right, yeah,sitting on the toilet Smoking.
Yeah, reading your pervertmagazine.
Whatever you're doing itdoesn't matter, they're the
absolute most worst slackers inthe world.
(16:26):
Until the fight starts.
And then they drop in and justall hell breaks loose and that's
the end.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yami taking a drag on a cigarette, and then they drop
in and just all hell breaksloose and that's yeah, I'm
taking a drag on a cigarette andjust fighting.
I'm gonna kill you, yes.
And then he's mad serious andhe's strong.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Is anything, yeah, yeah right and you know again,
like it's just, I don't know man, I just I love that trope.
They, they're definitely thetough love, right, they're not
the hold your hand and, you know, walk you through the they're,
they're the tough love.
Mentors, like jiraiya leavingnaruto in the middle of the
woods while he goes and I youknow, probably a strip club or
whatever uh, I think he's spyingon hot baths is what he liked
(17:00):
to do, okay, yeah, so he saidthat was his go-to.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
He leaves.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
He leaves naruto in the woods to learn the russ and
gun.
You know, it's just that's.
That's the way they all are.
Yami is like surpass yourlimits but then doesn't tell you
how to do it right he's likehow I don't know, like you don't
even have magic.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
What are you talking about?
Learn to see chi kid he was,he's the.
He's the goat man.
He's too funny, and the factthat he smokes it's just.
I'm gonna get him as a figurehere as soon as I find one.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, he's going up there because he's he's right
the the one thing that is notalways the same with all of them
is they are not always apervert right like jiraiya
pervert kakashi, halfwayperverted oh, he's reading those
books, boy, you never know it,but he's reading those books but
then you got like gojo, and Imean gojo maybe I guess a little
bit, but then you've got likecaptain yami not at all, like,
(17:49):
that's not in his like no, buthe's definitely a drunk, he's
got, he's drinking a lot and abad gambler.
Terrible at it, yeah but yeah, II love the slacker sensei.
Uh, that is my absolutefavorite favorite anime trope um
ever.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Like you, give me a good slacker sensei and I'm just
gonna watch it and you knowthat's funny with gojo is he's
so strong, like he's so powerfulthat you know he's almost like
a nuclear deterrent, like it.
When you I, I read the wholeseries.
So when you read it and youwant when the series comes out
again, you see they have to goto their creator, has to go to
creative ways to kind of likehow do we like do a a stake
(18:28):
story with gojo?
Because he's so strong thatthat he could just candle
anything pretty much.
So it's cool to lengthsomething.
They figure out how to do it.
It'll be fun for sure to watchit.
But yeah, slacker andOverpowered Sensei, I'm all in.
Oh, now we're on the hate.
This is going to be good.
This is going to be a good one.
Man, let me do mine, becauseyou got some good ones in here.
(18:48):
I think one of yours is veryinteresting for me.
I'll jump in on that one whenyou get to it.
So for me, and it's I thinkit's just an age thing too Fan
service, you know it's just,sometimes it's over the top and
it gets to the point where alittle is okay.
You know it's like whatever,but sometimes it's just too much
and you're kind of just likeyou feel weird about it, just
(19:11):
because technically they'reusually like teens, they're not
usually adults half the time,and you're just like, okay, do
we need to do that?
It doesn't really bring much tothe story, um, and most of the
time it's never really made medrop a series one.
The only one that's kind oflike I'm probably gonna still
watch it because the charactersare cool, but it gets to the
(19:32):
point where it makes me not wantto watch it is fire force.
Yeah, it's just.
I've heard that it's.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
it's there's a girl that her clothes fall off like
and it's not like gray right inthe middle of a serious scene,
doesn't?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
it, yeah, like she'll just come in the room and like
trip, and then like, somehow hershirt comes off and it's like
yeah, it's like a gag, but likewe're fairytale with gray, it's
funny.
They're like yo put a shirt on,you know it's like.
It's not like that, it's likeit's just it.
It has taken you out of scenestoo, so it it is to the point
where you're just like you rollyour eyes at it.
(20:05):
But it gets to a point wheresome series go too far on that
stuff and it seems to be likeone of the main focuses of the
show and at that point you'relike come on, like what are we?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
doing so.
I think the only show I've 100%walked away from just because
of the amount of fan service eki, whatever you want to call it
would be that Redo a Healer.
That was just grossly terrible,terrible.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Honestly, I don't even think it would be called
fan service.
That sounds like a whole othergenre going on Right.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
But for me, I kind of just I ignore most of it, I
guess, because as far asHollywood's concerned and I know
anime isn't Hollywood, but it'sstill a production they're
trying to make- out.
Right, it's a production andsex sells.
Sex sells everywhere.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
So at this point, like I just kind of get your
blinders on and if it doesn'ttake me out of the story then I
don't care too much, I guess.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
If it gets weird, that different.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
But yeah like, yeah, redo a healer is weird and that,
just uh, I'm not about that,but otherwise it's just kind of
like if it doesn't take me outof the story yeah, it's harmless
, doesn't matter.
You know it's, it doesn'tmatter, but I agree when you do,
you're like come on, come on.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
If it's every episode like it shouldn't be.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
There's a lot of shows, shows where it's pretty
much the main focus of the show.
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah, so what do you got for hate?
I know you're gonna have someinteresting ones, I hate a
tragic backstory.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
That's so interesting because that's what makes the
character no, no, it doesn't OK.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
It's so interesting.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I am going to catch all kinds of hell for this
Naruto beat.
Catch all kinds of hell forthis naruto beat the tragic
story to death with sasuke, thatthat went on way too long.
Sasuke's oh what was me?
Story went on way too long.
I get that.
The point of the end of it wasyou know everything that went
down with itachi and just all ofthat.
I understand what I'm saying isthat it went on for so long
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that it made me hate the tragicbackstory.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
But I cannot everywhere You're like I'm done.
I mean I had a tragic backstory.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I was everywhere like , and it almost to the point
where when failure frame cameout, I started watching it.
And then they go into a littlebit of, they start telling,
talking about his tragicbackstory.
You know, I don't know, did youwatch failure frame?
Ok, I read the light novels andwhen it first jumped into like
talking about he was about to goevil mode just because of the
way he was being treated, I waslike, oh, here we go, another
tragic backstory I'm out.
They immediately shifted focusright, like yes, he is focused
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on revenge, but it's not theSasuke level revenge, it's just
revenge alongside other thingsand it happens to be the right
thing anyways.
So failure frame kind of did itright.
But otherwise, like and don'tget me wrong, I love naruto, I
love sasuke.
I kind of skip when I rewatch.
I do skip a lot of episodesthat talk about sasuke's crap,
(22:59):
because I just don't yeah,you're like, you're like.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Okay, we get it, let's move on.
Please, like I guess you watchedyour brother kill everybody
yeah, it's horrible and like Iget all that and I feel that so
obviously.
But it does get to a pointwhere I think that I think his
character was mishandled.
Like at the end of it it justyou know, I know we spoke about
this before it you guys team upafter all these years and you
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defeat the alien god thingy orwhatever, you know whatever.
And then it's like cool, we'reexhausted, we've been fighting
for 10 days, is what it feelslike.
And he's like, yeah, so I'mgonna kill all the tailed beasts
now and I'm gonna take over andI'm gonna kill you.
And it just seems like therethere was growth up to that
point, because I remember beinglike cool and I get that they
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had to show them fight likefull-on.
I get it like everyone neededto see that.
I just don't think they handledit right, man.
I think it should have beenlike I want to be hokage, which
is fine.
We don't agree with it.
Let's fight for that title,maybe.
But I remember even their fight.
He was fighting to kill andnaruto wasn't, so they weren't
fighting on equal terms becausehe was not trying to kill him
(24:06):
right, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
So I don't think naruto was never trying to fight
to kill maybe like againstsasuke against.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Oh yeah, with him.
No, he was fighting to wake himup and save him, which he ended
up doing.
But I just feel like I rememberlike watching that and reading
it and just being like what wasthe point of?
Did you not grow at all?
Are you serious?
I was just mad.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
So I I kind of understand his character of
being like dude, grow up, comeon man so the next one that I am
starting to hate I don't fullyhate it, yet, I'm not all the
way there is the op mc.
I am getting sick of just theoverpowered main character that
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comes in, blasts everything,doesn't sweat at all and it just
becomes this horrific powerfantasy thing that, and usually
included with fan service that Ijust don't care about.
You you know, solo levelingdoes it right and there are a
few other shows that.
Do you know this overpoweredpower fantasy?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
You got to walk it the right way.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
You got to walk a fine line.
One of the things that I thinksolo leveling does really well
is they don't bring a bunch offan service into it.
I think it's the combination ofthose two things that really
makes me hate it.
Um, like misfit a demon kingacademy right.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I the first couple of episodes were good I bailed on
it, dude.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I used to like it too the first couple episodes were
good, but then it's just likeaha snub, you're dead, and that
was boring.
What was the?
Speaker 2 (25:37):
there's no overlords like that.
There's no, there's no state.
See, I felt like overlord, didit a little bit better right
there they did it better.
No, they did it not as bad asthat, but it gets to the point
where I walked away I I thinkmaybe four to ten episodes,
somewhere between four and tenepisodes.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
So that's all I've seen of overlord.
I kept meaning to get back toit.
I never did, and then at that Ijust hit a point where I was
like, nah, I'm just not gonna.
But I for the episodes I didwatch.
I felt like overlord did itbetter, like slightly closer to
like to the solo leveling sidewhere, no, they did good um,
really, it's like the seasonsafter one one's fine, um, you
kind of it's, and it's not eventhat.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I'm not saying that, that for me it's not the
overpowered thing, I don't care,but it's the like it's just
kind of boring.
You're getting bored, um, andI'm, and you're not really like,
hey, what are you really tryingto do?
Are you gonna take the worldover?
Because if you're doing that,let's watch that, but you're
just like doing other stuff.
So I don't know, maybe it doesget really good.
I've been watching it, um, andyeah, I'm just kind of bored of
(26:35):
that series specifically, I willsay I just finished today
eminence and shadow.
He is over overpowered, but it'slike comedy, so it's funny yeah
and I was kind of telling alittle bit about some of the
stuff and it's just, it'shilarious and for him he is
overpowered.
That's the thing.
He's strong and he can justkind of do whatever, but like he
purposely plays the backgroundcharacter for a while because he
(26:58):
wants to be weak and like, justfor like, whatever reason that
he's doing all that.
So it's it's, it's more fun andtongue-in-cheek stuff for that,
um, which is just a funny show.
But I think you're right.
Yeah, you gotta walk that line,man, you gotta.
You gotta do it right.
You can't just be like I'moverpower, I can do whatever I
want, and then it gets boring soI've only watched one episode
(27:18):
of imminence and shadow self,and it hooked me it hooked me
and I will tell you why becauseit's the stupidest reason ever,
but I'm going to watch it justbecause of this one reason.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
They get part way through the first episode and
homeboy starts playingbeethoven's moonlight sonata on
the freaking on the piano andI'm like, oh, this boy's insane
I think I need to watch thisyeah, he so yeah, I will finish
it Like he literally spends themost of the first season playing
background character numberwhatever is what he calls it and
(27:49):
like all these things are goingon and he's can literally end
everything in a second becausehe really is as Lord Shadow or
whatever and he's just like hejust doesn't do it and it just
gets out of control and he'sjust like watching.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
And then he has this troop of it's actually funny
because he has a harem and hedoesn't care about any of that
and they all are in love withhim and will do everything he
says and he doesn't care.
He, you know, you're all meansto my play end whatever I'm
doing, whatever this thing'sgoing on, and it's like it's the
, you know, they worship himlike he's a god and he doesn't.
He literally doesn't care likehe's, just like I'm trying to be
(28:25):
a background character great,here they're getting in my way
like he actively tries to kindof thwart them in their plans
which they think are his.
But it's just.
It's ridiculous, but it is fun.
It is a fun show.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
You probably would laugh for sure I think I will.
I dude, I'm telling you I'mgoing to finish.
I've got a lot on my e-watchyeah, you do that's.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I keep giving you more.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
You do keep getting.
That's fine.
My to be read list is bigger,so yeah, yeah, true, true so we
got a bonus round, or what arewe gonna?
Are we gonna dive into thisbonus?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
yeah, so I'll you.
You put in here, uh, glasses,the push-up glasses, dude or guy
or girl, which absolutely bothwearing them.
So you have to do it.
Yeah, um, you have some goodones in here, you, you gotta,
and yours are good.
I mean, you got the shadyversion kabuto and in naruto,
right, like he's a snakecharacter.
(29:16):
He's what is he plotting?
He's always doing something, uhthat you have.
You got claw, uh claws there inblackver, which takes off way
too serious.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
You know it's hilarious Dude he does, but then
he ends up being comedic reliefand that's what I love about
Glass's push guy.
You're getting the one of thetwo things right, oh, absolutely
.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
And then I threw in my third one, father Alexander
Anderson from Helsing Ultimate,who's a psychotic zealot,
catholic vampire hunter, irishvampire hunter, that his glasses
glow, glow and he's alwayspushing them and he's got swords
and he's just, he's a maniac,he's just an absolute psychopath
.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, I mean, there are other good ones, obviously,
but I don't know.
Klaus from Black Clover does itreally well for the, for the
not the insane part.
He's.
He's the other one.
He's the one that takes himselftoo seriously and then ends up
giving the comedic.
He brings the show and he doesit's great sir spectacles.
I mean, that's what asta callshim, that's great, and he
answers to it.
It's freaking amazing dude it'sgreat.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
He gives me vibes.
Oh yeah, you haven't seen um.
You haven't seen my hero, butthere's a character with glasses
.
He's the class rep.
They're very similar of liketakes himself way too seriously.
I'm doing it this way, blah,blah that they are literally
mirrored characters.
When you watch, you're gonna belike that's class, right, yeah,
yeah, yeah, for sure, all right, dude, so do the hot takes this
(30:35):
week's hot take.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Brother, what anime got you hooked on the medium?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
so it's kind of weird for us man, because our gen we
had to watch tsunami, you knowlike whatever was on cartoon
network back in the day.
So you know, obviously I'mgonna have to say dragon ball,
because that's the first animeI've seen.
You know that was action andfighting and goku died and it
was you know sayings and thisand that and you know power.
(31:01):
So that's definitely the onethat started me on the whole.
Oh, this, this is really good.
And then, of course, when youwatch an American cartoon,
you're like huh.
Yeah, yeah, nothing like nowherenear as serious.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, so for me it will be Full Metal Alchemist,
not Brotherhood.
I do love Brotherhood, but theoriginal series is kind of what
brought me back to him.
Of course, as you said, wewatched Dragon Ball as a kid.
I got busy with life, I walkedaway, you know, I did a whole
bunch of stuff.
I I didn't really even watch alot of tv at all period, um, for
(31:33):
quite a while.
And you know, then I startedwatching some stuff with a buddy
and then I was like, okay, well, what else can I watch?
And he was like, well, checkout full metal alchemist.
It was on netflix at the time,so I did and I freaking loved it
, um, and I just, yeah, so thatgot me hooked and I don't know
if I had to come back to itwithout without full metal
alchemist, because I was afterthat, you know.
Just so, on the search for thenext series, it's going to
(31:56):
impact you like that and yeahwell, imagine starting.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Imagine your first series is so leveling.
Good luck, because you'restarting up here and trying to
like find all these other ones.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
But it doesn't have the same emotional impact, right
?
No, I mean, you might feel thatway about the action.
You're like man.
Am I ever going to findanything that brings the action,
like solo leveling?
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, yeah, probably not.
In a year or two there'll besomething you know, it's
definitely breaking a lot ofaction.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
For a lot of action, like for sure stuff right now.
For sure right, but like thatemotional impact, full metal
alchemist does it.
There are other shows that doit, but that was the one that
did it for me, right that wasthe one that made me said let me
find something else that hitsthis hard dude.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
There's several, several standout months in full
metal that I will never forgetand literally will make me like,
oh my god, like edge of my seator get emotional or whatever.
I mean, obviously we talkedabout it and already one of them
.
You know the sad stuff but Ithink honestly, the most like
(32:55):
badass, emotionally and hopefulpart of seeing in the whole show
is when the you see the doorsand Edwardward goes there and he
sees alphonse's body, yeah, andhe's all malnourished and
barely survives and he's likeI'm gonna dude, it was crazy.
And then he's like I'm gonnabring you back.
And they drag him back in thedoor, the hands come out and
(33:17):
then he pushes the damn dooropen again and he's like I'm
gonna be back.
Amazing, it's one of the bestthings I agree.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
It's for sure every arc has got a heavy hitting
moment.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
You know what I mean, uh, yeah, to me I think, yeah
it's, it's masterpiece.
I mean it's definitely a goadedshow, emotional for sure.
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you onthat what uh all right.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
What topic?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
are we talking about next week looks like we're doing
the evolution of superherofantasy and uh, anime overlap in
that, uh in that genre.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
So that'll be hell yeah well, you're gonna have to
bring the superhero knowledge.
Just because I gave up aftermarvel, did you know doing all
things?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
there you go, got some hero stuff behind me.
We're good you know,wolverine's the only one I like
anymore like it's, just it'swolverine and then everything
else is like I'm still a bigSpider-Man fan up there, he's
still cool.
Yeah, the Spider-Man.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
I gotcha Well.
See you guys next week.
Enjoy later.
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Speaker 2 (34:20):
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Welcome to Realm Jumpers.
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hey everyone.
We're here to dive into theworlds of fantasy and anime,
bringing you epic stories andunforgettable adventures.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
We'll be talking world building, unforgettable
villains and everything thatmakes these genres legendary.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
So let's jump into the realm and everything that
makes these genres legendary.
So let's jump into the Realm.
All right, thanks for joiningus again.
Tonight we're going to discusssome different anime tropes the
ones we love, the ones we hate,and maybe a bonus round thrown
in as well.
We'll dive right in after wecover some Realm rumors.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
How you doing.
Dude, I'm ready to roll, man,I'm, do you?
What do you have for me thisweek?
What realm rumors do you got?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
so mine is gonna be about dragon ball daima, which
is a new anime they made aboutdragon ball.
Uh, it is not after super, it'sactually before super started,
I guess.
So, and and which is super isweird too, because it takes
place before the end of DragonBall Z actually.
(01:08):
So this is now Dragon Ball Zstop Daima, stop Super and then
back to Dragon Ball Z for thequote ending, which is insane,
but and it's you know, it wasmade by the late great Akira
Toriyama.
This was his last thing heworked on before he passed.
Rest in peace.
Obviously, the man is a legendand the GOAT and it's a cool
(01:33):
story.
I've been watching it.
I was watching it every week.
It kind of fell off.
I'm not a big fan of turningGoku into a kid, you know.
Again, I don't really like thatGT'sts, you know, spit on and
stuff, because it's technicallynot canon, because the studios
did it back in the day, wait,hold on gt's not canon.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Nope, it's not okay my knowledge of it's been so
long since I've seen dragon ball.
My knowledge of dragon ball is,you know, the hyperbolic
chamber, 40, 48 million cellsand, uh, the four episode,
kamehameha yeah, yeah, yeah, no,I I feel you, man, I get it and
it's just weird.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I like this because in a way, I don't know how to
say, super ended and super wasawesome, right, and the manga
kept going.
So there's some way, there'sarcs that they could animate and
super ended I think it mighthave been seven years ago which
is crazy to say that.
And we all just want more Super.
And we're doing a daima aboutGoku being wish small.
(02:33):
All the Dragon Ball casts wishsmall.
They're in the Demon Realm.
They're looking for the DragonBalls in the Demon Realm to undo
them being.
Whatever the story is, whateverthe big news, I have the big
news.
Another question though.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Oh, go ahead, go ahead, is it?
They were made small, like thechibi mode, small where they're
all small and cute, or likebeing a drone.
Oh, no man they're chibi.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
yeah, well, like, oh, when goku was 10, it's
literally gt, it's literallyanother version of gt, and even
to the point of and I kind ofbailed because I just got tired
of it.
One cool thing Vegeta did goSuper Saiyan 3.
So that was cool.
We've all assumed he could doit because he could go God mode
and all other stuff later on.
It was cool to see it.
(03:16):
Kind of lame, he was a kidversion, quote.
But I'll take what I can getwith Vegeta.
He's my man.
And Goku ended up going SuperSaiyan 4, which is the furry.
Which awesome mode.
I always loved it from GTbecause it looks really cool.
And now it's quote canon, buthe has pink fur instead of red
and his hair is pink instead ofblack and he's a kid and he's
(03:38):
not big.
And, yeah, I'm not the biggestfan of it.
I guess it's cool to say thatthat happened, but it doesn't
make sense in context becausewhen he fights Beerus later in
Super he doesn't go for againstBeerus.
So what are we talking about?
But hey, that's Dragon Ball andCannon are kind of all over the
place.
Yeah, but the internet is happyto get a Cannon Super Saiyan 4,
(03:59):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Heck, yeah man.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
What about you?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
You got guys, yeah, yeah, man, what about you?
You got one as well, right I do.
This is kind of an update tothe last week's story, or the
week before recently, one of our, one of our recent realm rumors
at the drama at crunchy roll,um I'd like to hear that yeah,
we, we explained to you guys andyou know we brought you the
story about sean hoffman.
He was a software that uh wascanned after filing an ada,
which not a good look in 2025.
Right, especially with thisguy's story.
(04:28):
Again, you know his mother ison.
He found out in 2024, hismother's got terminal cancer and
this man just comes down withthe worst case of stress, you
know, severe stress.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
And as you would write, of course something's
going wrong with my mom.
I'm going to stress the hell outtoo.
So it's just not a good look,but anyway there's, there's an
update to it.
He has filed the complaint withthe you know, with the
unemployment, and, as Isuspected, there most likely
will be a full lawsuit afterthis.
I don't see how he go with thelawsuit, how he go with the
(05:06):
lawsuit.
Um, he did post his, he didpost the update via linkedin.
So for anybody that wants tocheck that out, we will have the
you know, the links to thearticle in in the show notes for
the podcast.
But there is.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I did see something where he was sent a letter by
the execs or by someone and theywere like threatening him not
to letter yeah, and he's likewhat you know, yeah, so this is
gonna get ugly.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I did see there was other people who came out about
some work conditions as well,though Not just him, it's, and
that's why I didn't want to gotoo deep into it because this
thing, just like this, is therabbit hole, of rabbit holes
right now, you know, like we candive into this.
I bet we could spend twoepisodes talking about the
issues going on.
Two episodes talking about theissues going on crunchy roll
(05:46):
right now and, with you know,some of the other studio
conditions that are being seenacross the world or not across
the world, across the, you knowthe industry anime industry.
Um, we, we could spend severalepisodes talking about that.
That's why I didn't want to golike too too much into that.
But hey, you know, we bring itto light.
We'll provide you with thearticle links for you to dive
into the rabbit hole if you sochoose yeah, let's talk about
(06:06):
fun stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, right, that's what we're here for, absolutely
here to talk about the shit thatbrings us joy, absolutely so
you.
You go first on this one manthat you came up with the idea.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I think you deserve the uh, the top spot there I
don't know, I don't know aboutthe top spot man, but okay, so
we are talking about animetropes that we love and hate
this week.
So you know, the first one thatI that I got to talk about,
it's just you have to love it.
Well, I guess you don't have to, but I have to, and a lot of
people apparently do love it isthe.
(06:37):
You know it's a plot trope,it's the training, or who
doesn't love a good training arc?
Tell me you didn't watch Rocky,and just you know, yes, that's
not anime.
But tell me you don't watch ascene, like you know, rocky
getting his training on andyou're like, yes, I'm pumped up,
let's go.
Montage music let's do it Right,yeah, montage music, let's do
(06:59):
it, and really, that's all youneed to say about a training arc
.
I feel like that that plottrope works well in so many
different animes?
oh yeah, because you have tohave it you have to have it for
certain types of series.
But you know, specifically,like, let's talk about what it
sets up, what it does right forthe show.
It gives meaning to that nextbig battle, right.
(07:21):
So when gone, like hunter,hunter, uh, when gone and kilua
go to the heavens arena, youknow, and they start getting
into that, they quickly realizethere's a.
There's a uh, not a penalty gap, there's a a skill gap.
Right, when they get to thattop floor, like there's a major
skill gap, they can't even, theycan't even go past the hallway.
(07:41):
You know, because of that skillgap and that's because they're
not nin users.
And so you know you've got thetraining art and you know they
weren't just experts right fromjump street.
The teacher, you know he.
You know he initially evaluatedhim.
He said you know he's, Iremember he's thinking in his
head he's like man, these kidshave got skill but they're not
trained, they don't have thatraw, they just don't know what
(08:03):
the hell they're doing with it.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
They're kind of just like winging it and they don't
have steps that they do Exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
They've got the talent, but the skill's not
there.
So the training arc builds upfor that payoff at that next big
battle, which is what happensfor Gon.
You see him go through the nextcouple of battles and that
culminates with that huge fightwith Hisuka.
And it doesn't matter that heloses the fight.
The point is, the respect isthere right, which is what Gon
(08:30):
was looking for from thebeginning.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Oh yeah, he got that, respect yeah he got the respect
.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
It wasn't a win or lose thing for him.
I don't think Gon cared whetherhe won or he lost.
I'm pretty sure he knew he wasgoing to lose.
He and it can also be used toto develop the characters
emotionally, like in thisinstance it was used to develop
Gon and Killua physically ormaybe a little bit mentally.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
But yeah, definitely mentally too Well at least with
Yuji, right you?
That's one of your examplesyou're telling me about it's
mental.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
That would be more that would be more emotional.
And then a little bit of themental right, because season one
JJK right after he gets broughtin by Gojo, we've already
established that he has no ideahow to control his emotions, and
that's why Homeboy is able totake him over and basically run
away with him so easily, easilyand uh, you know.
(09:31):
So you've got that training arcthere and it's of course it's
an unconventional training arc.
He's got a hilarious.
Gotta watch a bunch of stupidmovies and I think he has to
stay awake too right like yeah,and I swear titanic's in there.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I think like saving private ryan or something like
we know the movie, like theyhint at it and you're just like
he's.
You can't get emotional.
You gotta watch it, right?
I've never seen that type oftraining before.
So, right, super funny, yeah,but actually it works.
I mean it does.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
It's still a training arc and it works and you know,
for again, for that, you know,for that specific training arc,
for that specific characterwho's a little bit mental but
also more, you know, emotionaltraining.
But it's still a training arc.
It still sets up for the nextbig thing, you know.
It sets up what has to overcome, what he's got to do for that
next series of battles, for thenext things he needs to be able
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to do to live, or they're goingto kill him.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Literally he's done Gojo's the only reason they
haven't done it?
They want to do it, but they'rescared of King Gojo there.
So, yeah, yeah for sure.
Well, you know, it's funnybecause your training arc I mean
it literally what nine out often times leads kind of right
into a tournament arc, usuallyusually right after, right,
shortly after and that's one ofmy favorite love ones is those
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tournament arcs.
Man, they are just so fun, youknow it.
You watch the anime.
Likely you're watching it forfights most of the time, and
when they pull off a torment arcin a cool way or a new way or
just, you know, an interestingway or whatever it, um, it's,
it's really just, it reallyhooks you in.
I mean, there's so manyexamples of it.
Of course, there was definitelyone in jutsu kaisen.
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Uh, if you remember, it was uh,their, their, uh, school versus
the other.
You know, like all that.
You know there were differentclasses of super cool, great
fight scenes.
Um, hunter x hunter, you saidit, heavens gate arena, that's
kind of a tournament thing asyou are literally going through
fights to level, you know, toget to the next level, uh, some
big ones, you know, obviously,fairy tale, the grand magic
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games, epic, epic the epicbefore.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
The four dragon.
You know the four dragon duke'sfight just awesome, and I don't
even know why they call it.
Four dragon slayers fight.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
That was nazi versus the other two yeah, yeah, I was
in it for 30 seconds.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, guys stop which I still love him.
He's so cool.
Good, joseph, he pushed himinto a mining cart, just shoved
him off down the railroad andthen what was it?
Two episodes later, after allthe fights are over.
He's like where you been, youbig idiot?
He's like do you not rememberwhat you did to me?
What you did?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
yeah I love.
He said he's that show is great.
I don't care anyone says, uh,you got the here.
You know I'm a big my hero fan.
I know you haven't started ityet.
I'm sure soon at some point youwill.
But they do have a ua um sportsfestival, which is literally,
uh, it's a, it's a tournamentand there's different games and
then there's fights, obviously.
So that's really cool and itgauges the growth of the
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characters and it's one verseones.
You know the whole thing.
So that's always, you know,super fun.
And then, um, you know thetuning exams in nardo.
I mean, it's kind of one of thebest examples.
You know it's when shit hit thefan or stuff hit the fan.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I should say, you know, and really just I gotta
kick it off I gotta say, thougheverybody loves, I'm gonna have
a slightly different take hereon the tuning exams than every
everybody else probablyeverybody loves right.
When you get to the one on onev one battles and rockley drops
them weights and it just becomeslike just boom.
You know you get this majorepic thing going that was epic,
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though, dude, that was epic.
But I gotta back it up.
I'm sorry the written test forme cracked me up.
That was the best.
That was the best arc.
That was the best mini arc inthe tournament arc because it
just like the whole tuning exam,that written exam, naruto's
just over there sweating bulletsright and then they're cheating
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everyone's cheating everybody.
Yeah, that's the point,everybody's, except for sakura.
She's home dude wins and hehasn't.
Oh, I mean not wins home dudepasses, and he didn't even write
a damn answer on his page it'sgreat dude, but that's the thing
, it's the whole, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
And then it the battle part, and then in the
woods and that's the wholeroachy bar thing, like great it
may be, one of, it's probably itis actually probably one of the
best tournament slash typethings, um, and then of course,
with the roachy bar, with thefourth of you know he didn't
even want to write that.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Really, he didn't even want to write it.
He didn't want to write atournament.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
And they were like you got to do it.
They kind of pushed him into it.
Well, it was probably one ofyou know, in the original Naruto
it's probably one of the mostpivotal, you know story arcs?
Yeah, I agree, that's great.
Well, he should thank them forthat one, right?
Sorry, man should thank themfor that one, right, because,
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sorry, I don't know.
No, you're good, I, I love itwhen you do that because it
makes it interesting.
And the last one and this isanother series that I think it
just got canceled, I don't know,I never finished it the the
story of the manga dead manwonderland.
Do you ever watch that?
Do you remember that one?
No, I don't.
It's, uh, people put it likethey're in a prison and they
have to fight for the survival.
It's like very gladiator,modern day stuff.
It's a dope series.
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Uh, they can use blood as aweapon, which is pretty cool.
Like, okay, there's, there'ssome cool stuff in it.
Um, and theirs was called thecorpse carnival.
It was literally a fight to thedeath, while, uh, hell, yeah,
people would like bet.
Yeah, super cool series.
Um, I don't remember.
It definitely didn't finish inone season, but I feel like they
need to finish it because itwas really, really cool.
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So, yeah, for me, man,tournament arcs.
I'm a sucker for it, dude forsure.
What about you?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
What's your next one.
I do like a good tournament arc, but the next one for me would
have to be a character archetype, so I got to go.
One for me would have to be acharacter archetype, so I gotta
go.
And this is probably myall-time favorite anime trope
period the slacker sensei.
Ding, ding, ding, heck.
Yeah, you know, jiraiya,captain yami gojo, you got these
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.
I, I love a slacker sensei,right, and I don't, I don't know
man um kakashi, right, he'spretty slacker, he's always
reading yeah, not as slacker asthe rest of those guys but not
as dry though, right yeah yeah,um, yeah, I don't know, they're
all, it's just, they're all.
There's always going to bethese things that are that line
up for every single one, right,they're all going to be
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extremely powerful, obviously,um, but they don't act like your
traditional mentor, you know,they're not're not.
They're not like oh God, what'shis name?
Rock Lee's teacher, guy Guy.
They're not like guy Right.
They're not these super serioustraining people, you know, I
mean they're serious abouttraining, but they're just, they
don't take themselves seriously.
They don't take anythingseriously until it's time for
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the fight.
Right, they're, they'rereckless, they're reckless.
They're drunk, passed outsomewhere.
Captain Yami, right, yeah,sitting on the toilet Smoking.
Yeah, reading your pervertmagazine.
Whatever you're doing itdoesn't matter, they're the
absolute most worst slackers inthe world.
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Until the fight starts.
And then they drop in and justall hell breaks loose and that's
the end.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yami taking a drag on a cigarette, and then they drop
in and just all hell breaksloose and that's yeah, I'm
taking a drag on a cigarette andjust fighting.
I'm gonna kill you, yes.
And then he's mad serious andhe's strong.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Is anything, yeah, yeah right and you know again,
like it's just, I don't know man, I just I love that trope.
They, they're definitely thetough love, right, they're not
the hold your hand and, you know, walk you through the they're,
they're the tough love.
Mentors, like jiraiya leavingnaruto in the middle of the
woods while he goes and I youknow, probably a strip club or
whatever uh, I think he's spyingon hot baths is what he liked
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to do, okay, yeah, so he saidthat was his go-to.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
He leaves.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
He leaves naruto in the woods to learn the russ and
gun.
You know, it's just that's.
That's the way they all are.
Yami is like surpass yourlimits but then doesn't tell you
how to do it right he's likehow I don't know, like you don't
even have magic.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
What are you talking about?
Learn to see chi kid he was,he's the.
He's the goat man.
He's too funny, and the factthat he smokes it's just.
I'm gonna get him as a figurehere as soon as I find one.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, he's going up there because he's he's right
the the one thing that is notalways the same with all of them
is they are not always apervert right like jiraiya
pervert kakashi, halfwayperverted oh, he's reading those
books, boy, you never know it,but he's reading those books but
then you got like gojo, and Imean gojo maybe I guess a little
bit, but then you've got likecaptain yami not at all, like,
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that's not in his like no, buthe's definitely a drunk, he's
got, he's drinking a lot and abad gambler.
Terrible at it, yeah but yeah, II love the slacker sensei.
Uh, that is my absolutefavorite favorite anime trope um
ever.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Like you, give me a good slacker sensei and I'm just
gonna watch it and you knowthat's funny with gojo is he's
so strong, like he's so powerfulthat you know he's almost like
a nuclear deterrent, like it.
When you I, I read the wholeseries.
So when you read it and youwant when the series comes out
again, you see they have to goto their creator, has to go to
creative ways to kind of likehow do we like do a a stake
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story with gojo?
Because he's so strong thatthat he could just candle
anything pretty much.
So it's cool to lengthsomething.
They figure out how to do it.
It'll be fun for sure to watchit.
But yeah, slacker andOverpowered Sensei, I'm all in.
Oh, now we're on the hate.
This is going to be good.
This is going to be a good one.
Man, let me do mine, becauseyou got some good ones in here.
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I think one of yours is veryinteresting for me.
I'll jump in on that one whenyou get to it.
So for me, and it's I thinkit's just an age thing too Fan
service, you know it's just,sometimes it's over the top and
it gets to the point where alittle is okay.
You know it's like whatever,but sometimes it's just too much
and you're kind of just likeyou feel weird about it, just
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because technically they'reusually like teens, they're not
usually adults half the time,and you're just like, okay, do
we need to do that?
It doesn't really bring much tothe story, um, and most of the
time it's never really made medrop a series one.
The only one that's kind oflike I'm probably gonna still
watch it because the charactersare cool, but it gets to the
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point where it makes me not wantto watch it is fire force.
Yeah, it's just.
I've heard that it's.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
it's there's a girl that her clothes fall off like
and it's not like gray right inthe middle of a serious scene,
doesn't?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
it, yeah, like she'll just come in the room and like
trip, and then like, somehow hershirt comes off and it's like
yeah, it's like a gag, but likewe're fairytale with gray, it's
funny.
They're like yo put a shirt on,you know it's like.
It's not like that, it's likeit's just it.
It has taken you out of scenestoo, so it it is to the point
where you're just like you rollyour eyes at it.
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But it gets to a point wheresome series go too far on that
stuff and it seems to be likeone of the main focuses of the
show and at that point you'relike come on, like what are we?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
doing so.
I think the only show I've 100%walked away from just because
of the amount of fan service eki, whatever you want to call it
would be that Redo a Healer.
That was just grossly terrible,terrible.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Honestly, I don't even think it would be called
fan service.
That sounds like a whole othergenre going on Right.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
But for me, I kind of just I ignore most of it, I
guess, because as far asHollywood's concerned and I know
anime isn't Hollywood, but it'sstill a production they're
trying to make- out.
Right, it's a production andsex sells.
Sex sells everywhere.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
So at this point, like I just kind of get your
blinders on and if it doesn'ttake me out of the story then I
don't care too much, I guess.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
If it gets weird, that different.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
But yeah like, yeah, redo a healer is weird and that,
just uh, I'm not about that,but otherwise it's just kind of
like if it doesn't take me outof the story yeah, it's harmless
, doesn't matter.
You know it's, it doesn'tmatter, but I agree when you do,
you're like come on, come on.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
If it's every episode like it shouldn't be.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
There's a lot of shows, shows where it's pretty
much the main focus of the show.
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah, so what do you got for hate?
I know you're gonna have someinteresting ones, I hate a
tragic backstory.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
That's so interesting because that's what makes the
character no, no, it doesn't OK.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
It's so interesting.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I am going to catch all kinds of hell for this
Naruto beat.
Catch all kinds of hell forthis naruto beat the tragic
story to death with sasuke, thatthat went on way too long.
Sasuke's oh what was me?
Story went on way too long.
I get that.
The point of the end of it wasyou know everything that went
down with itachi and just all ofthat.
I understand what I'm saying isthat it went on for so long
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that it made me hate the tragicbackstory.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
But I cannot everywhere You're like I'm done.
I mean I had a tragic backstory.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I was everywhere like , and it almost to the point
where when failure frame cameout, I started watching it.
And then they go into a littlebit of, they start telling,
talking about his tragicbackstory.
You know, I don't know, did youwatch failure frame?
Ok, I read the light novels andwhen it first jumped into like
talking about he was about to goevil mode just because of the
way he was being treated, I waslike, oh, here we go, another
tragic backstory I'm out.
They immediately shifted focusright, like yes, he is focused
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on revenge, but it's not theSasuke level revenge, it's just
revenge alongside other thingsand it happens to be the right
thing anyways.
So failure frame kind of did itright.
But otherwise, like and don'tget me wrong, I love naruto, I
love sasuke.
I kind of skip when I rewatch.
I do skip a lot of episodesthat talk about sasuke's crap,
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because I just don't yeah,you're like, you're like.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Okay, we get it, let's move on.
Please, like I guess you watchedyour brother kill everybody
yeah, it's horrible and like Iget all that and I feel that so
obviously.
But it does get to a pointwhere I think that I think his
character was mishandled.
Like at the end of it it justyou know, I know we spoke about
this before it you guys team upafter all these years and you
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defeat the alien god thingy orwhatever, you know whatever.
And then it's like cool, we'reexhausted, we've been fighting
for 10 days, is what it feelslike.
And he's like, yeah, so I'mgonna kill all the tailed beasts
now and I'm gonna take over andI'm gonna kill you.
And it just seems like therethere was growth up to that
point, because I remember beinglike cool and I get that they
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had to show them fight likefull-on.
I get it like everyone neededto see that.
I just don't think they handledit right, man.
I think it should have beenlike I want to be hokage, which
is fine.
We don't agree with it.
Let's fight for that title,maybe.
But I remember even their fight.
He was fighting to kill andnaruto wasn't, so they weren't
fighting on equal terms becausehe was not trying to kill him
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right, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
So I don't think naruto was never trying to fight
to kill maybe like againstsasuke against.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Oh yeah, with him.
No, he was fighting to wake himup and save him, which he ended
up doing.
But I just feel like I rememberlike watching that and reading
it and just being like what wasthe point of?
Did you not grow at all?
Are you serious?
I was just mad.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
So I I kind of understand his character of
being like dude, grow up, comeon man so the next one that I am
starting to hate I don't fullyhate it, yet, I'm not all the
way there is the op mc.
I am getting sick of just theoverpowered main character that
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comes in, blasts everything,doesn't sweat at all and it just
becomes this horrific powerfantasy thing that, and usually
included with fan service that Ijust don't care about.
You you know, solo levelingdoes it right and there are a
few other shows that.
Do you know this overpoweredpower fantasy?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
You got to walk it the right way.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
You got to walk a fine line.
One of the things that I thinksolo leveling does really well
is they don't bring a bunch offan service into it.
I think it's the combination ofthose two things that really
makes me hate it.
Um, like misfit a demon kingacademy right.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I the first couple of episodes were good I bailed on
it, dude.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I used to like it too the first couple episodes were
good, but then it's just likeaha snub, you're dead, and that
was boring.
What was the?
Speaker 2 (25:37):
there's no overlords like that.
There's no, there's no state.
See, I felt like overlord, didit a little bit better right
there they did it better.
No, they did it not as bad asthat, but it gets to the point
where I walked away I I thinkmaybe four to ten episodes,
somewhere between four and tenepisodes.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
So that's all I've seen of overlord.
I kept meaning to get back toit.
I never did, and then at that Ijust hit a point where I was
like, nah, I'm just not gonna.
But I for the episodes I didwatch.
I felt like overlord did itbetter, like slightly closer to
like to the solo leveling sidewhere, no, they did good um,
really, it's like the seasonsafter one one's fine, um, you
kind of it's, and it's not eventhat.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I'm not saying that, that for me it's not the
overpowered thing, I don't care,but it's the like it's just
kind of boring.
You're getting bored, um, andI'm, and you're not really like,
hey, what are you really tryingto do?
Are you gonna take the worldover?
Because if you're doing that,let's watch that, but you're
just like doing other stuff.
So I don't know, maybe it doesget really good.
I've been watching it, um, andyeah, I'm just kind of bored of
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that series specifically, I willsay I just finished today
eminence and shadow.
He is over overpowered, but it'slike comedy, so it's funny yeah
and I was kind of telling alittle bit about some of the
stuff and it's just, it'shilarious and for him he is
overpowered.
That's the thing.
He's strong and he can justkind of do whatever, but like he
purposely plays the backgroundcharacter for a while because he
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wants to be weak and like, justfor like, whatever reason that
he's doing all that.
So it's it's, it's more fun andtongue-in-cheek stuff for that,
um, which is just a funny show.
But I think you're right.
Yeah, you gotta walk that line,man, you gotta.
You gotta do it right.
You can't just be like I'moverpower, I can do whatever I
want, and then it gets boring soI've only watched one episode
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of imminence and shadow self,and it hooked me it hooked me
and I will tell you why becauseit's the stupidest reason ever,
but I'm going to watch it justbecause of this one reason.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
They get part way through the first episode and
homeboy starts playingbeethoven's moonlight sonata on
the freaking on the piano andI'm like, oh, this boy's insane
I think I need to watch thisyeah, he so yeah, I will finish
it Like he literally spends themost of the first season playing
background character numberwhatever is what he calls it and
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like all these things are goingon and he's can literally end
everything in a second becausehe really is as Lord Shadow or
whatever and he's just like hejust doesn't do it and it just
gets out of control and he'sjust like watching.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
And then he has this troop of it's actually funny
because he has a harem and hedoesn't care about any of that
and they all are in love withhim and will do everything he
says and he doesn't care.
He, you know, you're all meansto my play end whatever I'm
doing, whatever this thing'sgoing on, and it's like it's the
, you know, they worship himlike he's a god and he doesn't.
He literally doesn't care likehe's, just like I'm trying to be
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a background character great,here they're getting in my way
like he actively tries to kindof thwart them in their plans
which they think are his.
But it's just.
It's ridiculous, but it is fun.
It is a fun show.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
You probably would laugh for sure I think I will.
I dude, I'm telling you I'mgoing to finish.
I've got a lot on my e-watchyeah, you do that's.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I keep giving you more.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
You do keep getting.
That's fine.
My to be read list is bigger,so yeah, yeah, true, true so we
got a bonus round, or what arewe gonna?
Are we gonna dive into thisbonus?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
yeah, so I'll you.
You put in here, uh, glasses,the push-up glasses, dude or guy
or girl, which absolutely bothwearing them.
So you have to do it.
Yeah, um, you have some goodones in here, you, you gotta,
and yours are good.
I mean, you got the shadyversion kabuto and in naruto,
right, like he's a snakecharacter.
(29:16):
He's what is he plotting?
He's always doing something, uhthat you have.
You got claw, uh claws there inblackver, which takes off way
too serious.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
You know it's hilarious Dude he does, but then
he ends up being comedic reliefand that's what I love about
Glass's push guy.
You're getting the one of thetwo things right, oh, absolutely
.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
And then I threw in my third one, father Alexander
Anderson from Helsing Ultimate,who's a psychotic zealot,
catholic vampire hunter, irishvampire hunter, that his glasses
glow, glow and he's alwayspushing them and he's got swords
and he's just, he's a maniac,he's just an absolute psychopath
.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, I mean, there are other good ones, obviously,
but I don't know.
Klaus from Black Clover does itreally well for the, for the
not the insane part.
He's.
He's the other one.
He's the one that takes himselftoo seriously and then ends up
giving the comedic.
He brings the show and he doesit's great sir spectacles.
I mean, that's what asta callshim, that's great, and he
answers to it.
It's freaking amazing dude it'sgreat.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
He gives me vibes.
Oh yeah, you haven't seen um.
You haven't seen my hero, butthere's a character with glasses
.
He's the class rep.
They're very similar of liketakes himself way too seriously.
I'm doing it this way, blah,blah that they are literally
mirrored characters.
When you watch, you're gonna belike that's class, right, yeah,
yeah, yeah, for sure, all right, dude, so do the hot takes this
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week's hot take.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Brother, what anime got you hooked on the medium?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
so it's kind of weird for us man, because our gen we
had to watch tsunami, you knowlike whatever was on cartoon
network back in the day.
So you know, obviously I'mgonna have to say dragon ball,
because that's the first animeI've seen.
You know that was action andfighting and goku died and it
was you know sayings and thisand that and you know power.
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So that's definitely the onethat started me on the whole.
Oh, this, this is really good.
And then, of course, when youwatch an American cartoon,
you're like huh.
Yeah, yeah, nothing like nowherenear as serious.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, so for me it will be Full Metal Alchemist,
not Brotherhood.
I do love Brotherhood, but theoriginal series is kind of what
brought me back to him.
Of course, as you said, wewatched Dragon Ball as a kid.
I got busy with life, I walkedaway, you know, I did a whole
bunch of stuff.
I I didn't really even watch alot of tv at all period, um, for
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quite a while.
And you know, then I startedwatching some stuff with a buddy
and then I was like, okay, well, what else can I watch?
And he was like, well, checkout full metal alchemist.
It was on netflix at the time,so I did and I freaking loved it
, um, and I just, yeah, so thatgot me hooked and I don't know
if I had to come back to itwithout without full metal
alchemist, because I was afterthat, you know.
Just so, on the search for thenext series, it's going to
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impact you like that and yeahwell, imagine starting.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Imagine your first series is so leveling.
Good luck, because you'restarting up here and trying to
like find all these other ones.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
But it doesn't have the same emotional impact, right
?
No, I mean, you might feel thatway about the action.
You're like man.
Am I ever going to findanything that brings the action,
like solo leveling?
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, yeah, probably not.
In a year or two there'll besomething you know, it's
definitely breaking a lot ofaction.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
For a lot of action, like for sure stuff right now.
For sure right, but like thatemotional impact, full metal
alchemist does it.
There are other shows that doit, but that was the one that
did it for me, right that wasthe one that made me said let me
find something else that hitsthis hard dude.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
There's several, several standout months in full
metal that I will never forgetand literally will make me like,
oh my god, like edge of my seator get emotional or whatever.
I mean, obviously we talkedabout it and already one of them
.
You know the sad stuff but Ithink honestly, the most like
(32:55):
badass, emotionally and hopefulpart of seeing in the whole show
is when the you see the doorsand Edwardward goes there and he
sees alphonse's body, yeah, andhe's all malnourished and
barely survives and he's likeI'm gonna dude, it was crazy.
And then he's like I'm gonnabring you back.
And they drag him back in thedoor, the hands come out and
(33:17):
then he pushes the damn dooropen again and he's like I'm
gonna be back.
Amazing, it's one of the bestthings I agree.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
It's for sure every arc has got a heavy hitting
moment.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
You know what I mean, uh, yeah, to me I think, yeah
it's, it's masterpiece.
I mean it's definitely a goadedshow, emotional for sure.
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you onthat what uh all right.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
What topic?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
are we talking about next week looks like we're doing
the evolution of superherofantasy and uh, anime overlap in
that, uh in that genre.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
So that'll be hell yeah well, you're gonna have to
bring the superhero knowledge.
Just because I gave up aftermarvel, did you know doing all
things?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
there you go, got some hero stuff behind me.
We're good you know,wolverine's the only one I like
anymore like it's, just it'swolverine and then everything
else is like I'm still a bigSpider-Man fan up there, he's
still cool.
Yeah, the Spider-Man.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
I gotcha Well.
See you guys next week.
Enjoy later.
Thanks for jumping into therealm with us today.
Be sure to follow realm jumperswherever you get your podcasts
and don't forget to share yourthoughts, theories and favorite
moments with us.
Stay.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Epic and keep exploring the worlds you love.
Leave us a review on yourpodcast platform and, if you're
stuck on what to say, let usknow what your favorite anime is
.
See you in the next round,thank you.
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