April 10, 2025 • 36 mins
Why has isekai become the defining genre of modern anime? From truck-kun sending hapless protagonists to magical realms to overpowered heroes conquering fantasy worlds, these stories have captured both our screens and hearts. But what makes them so compelling?
We begin by tracing isekai's surprising history, which stretches back to 14th century Japan with tales like "Urashima Taro" about a man who visits an undersea kingdom. Western influences like "Alice in Wonderland" (translated into Japanese 450+ times!) helped shape what would eventually evolve into the genre we know today. The true explosion came with "Sword Art Online" in 2002, launching two decades of transported-to-another-world dominance.
The formula works brilliantly because it combines multiple appealing elements: wish fulfillment, power fantasy, RPG mechanics, and pure escapism. For audiences facing harsh work cultures and everyday stresses, these alternate worlds offer adventure and importance that might be lacking in reality. Statistics show that while few isekai reach "S-tier" quality, most consistently deliver satisfying "A-tier" entertainment, making them reliable comfort viewing.
But with market saturation becoming apparent (approximately 15% of all new anime are now isekai), creators must introduce fresh takes to stand out. We explore successful variations like "The Wrong Way to Use Healing Magic" and "Uncle from Another World" that twist the formula in innovative ways. Is our love for these stories simply because "life sucks," or does it tap into something more fundamental about human curiosity and our eternal desire to explore worlds beyond our own?
Whether you're a devoted isekai fan or just curious about this cultural phenomenon, join us for an insightful discussion about why these fantasy worlds have become anime's most reliable realm. What's your favorite isekai story? Drop us a review and let us know!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to Realm Jumpers.
I'm Andrew and this is myco-host, jordan.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hey everyone.
We're here to dive into theworlds of fantasy and anime,
bringing you epic stories andunforgettable adventures.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
We'll be talking world building, unforgettable
villains and everything thatmakes these genres legendary.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
So let's jump into the realm.
Welcome back to Realm Jumpers.
From overpowered heroes tomagical reincarnations.
Isekai Anime has taken over ourwatchlist and the anime world.
But what makes this genre sopopular and why can't we get
enough of it?
Today we're diving into therise and reign of it.
But first let's check outwhat's new in the anime realm
with this week's Realm Rumors.
(00:43):
What do you got for me, brother?
What's up, jordan?
How you been good, buddy, justworking my butt off yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
So honestly, I thought you would want to broach
this topic just because it's inyour territory of shows that
you love, but you know, tonightit's been a fairly slow news
week, but I thought this articlewas actually more hilarious
than anything else.
So the Dragon Ball Z editorblames live action, dragon Ball
movie, dragon Ball Evolution.
(01:11):
We all know we all hatestunning movie, bro.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
What do you mean?
Academy Award?
What are you talking about?
That kid was great as Goku.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I'll come back to that.
Anyways, the DBZ editor.
They blame the failure onjapan's trust in hollywood.
Yeah, which big mistake.
That's a terrible idea.
Don't do that terrible,terrible idea brings us back to
the point you remember a fewweeks ago we mentioned it was
(01:39):
kind of a click baby articletitle, but it was basically, you
know they had a crunchy rollwas saying, uh, anime needs to
remain inherently japanese.
I do remember that.
He's kind of right.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
He's kind of right, yeah I mean I know they're
trying.
I mean they've kind of beenslowly adapting live action
netflix ones.
I think there's a bleach moviewhich actually wasn't there is a
bleach movie um, one piece, youknow.
Obviously there's a series whichI guess is pretty successful.
I haven't watched it, fullmetal, but yep, full, yep, full
metal.
And honestly the best anime tolive action I've ever seen was
(02:14):
the uh roni kenshin series ofmovies.
But then again it lends itright like a wandering samurai.
Pretty easy to do um, but dope,um.
And those were all, I'm prettysure, made, released.
I know the kenshin one.
I'm pretty sure it came fromjapan over, not not this way,
although I think one piece isbeing made here.
Right, it's a, it's a westernstudio, I believe.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I don't know bro, I should know this, but I don't
yeah I think it is.
I don't care, care, it's good.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, yeah, I haven't Again, I don't know, but on the
funny news about Dragon Balland all that evolution.
So apparently the newest SnowWhite movie came out this week.
The Disney movie and DragonBall Evolution is rated better
than this Shut up dude, than theSnow White movie.
Yeah, oh no, there is anamazing meme floating around on
(03:08):
twitter and online right nowwhere it's from one of the old
school dragon ball z movies withbroly in it and he's like he
has goku like by the throat, butthe face on broly was the kid
from evolution and the onegetting choked out is snow white
.
And it has the ratings.
It's like 2.9 and 2.3 stars andapparently it's rated better
(03:28):
than snow white, which is, I'msorry, objectively hilarious.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
That's the funniest thing ever that's pretty wild,
yeah um a couple of call outs inthis article, though, that I
thought were interesting.
so, you know, 2009, um, he divesinto it and he says that you
know they didn't have the faithor they didn't want to invest
the 50 million dollars US thatit was going to cost to get you
(03:52):
know the rights to the final cut, so that way, they'd be able to
say, yeah, you're now whetherthis is a go.
But another thing that I foundinteresting in here is the actor
when, when Homie died from youknow the original creator.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
When he died, the actor Justin,something it's in the article,
but this Justin dude, when he,when, when the guy died, he
apologized.
Oh damn, he felt so bad.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, yeah I mean the movie's trash, it's just so
damn.
He felt so bad.
Yeah, I mean the movie's trash,it's just so.
I've only ever watched it onceand I was, I was, I hated it
then.
I can't imagine now as an olderdude trying to watch it.
I probably would be likefurious.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I mean, that's the thing man Like in 2009,.
I remember watching it on TV orHBO or whatever it came out on
Right, who it on tv or hbo orwhatever it came out on right,
who knows, but I remembered.
I remember watching that andthat turned me off of live
action.
anything until forever, untilone piece yeah alchemist could
have been good, death note couldhave been good.
I bleach could have been good.
(04:57):
I have no freaking clue.
I was like, yeah, I'm nottouching that trash.
I mean it's probably thegreatest things ever made.
But I was like, yeah, no,dragon ball z was terrible.
I'm never watching that stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
It's the same for video game to movies with mario
in the 90s, like there ain't noway, I mean now we're getting
cool shut up.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Dude mario in the 90s masterpiece.
That was a masterpiece of storyI need to.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I need to re-watch this movie and I know they had
to be high as anything when theymade that movie.
I haven't seen it lately, but Ishould rewatch it, just for the
, you know, for gig.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Nah, it was terrible, but I still liked it.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Well, hey, at least now we're getting great adapted.
You know well, sometimes agreat adapted Every now and then
you get a like Last of Us ispretty great as the show I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah, I mean mostly great, right, yeah, yeah, I mean
mostly great, right, yeah,that's the thing, though
everything's getting a live,live action adaption.
Now, you know you got likewheel of time, um, which you
know there are differencesbetween the books and the tv
show.
There's no way you're evergoing to be able to tell a 14
novel series that where eachbook is encroaching on you know,
(06:01):
approaching a thousand pages,you're never going to be able to
tell that in one season oftelevision.
So I don't, everybody kind ofneeds to give the show a little
bit of slack, because while theyhave some made questionable,
some questionable choices havebeen made, for the most part
they kind of have to just adaptthe thing on the run right like
there's no way to adapt.
Let's see the eye of the world,season one.
(06:22):
You know there's no way toadapt 800 pages into one hours
of television.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, yeah yes, but it's a hard job.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I mean, I guess you're pulling it off, though
right, it's got it's in prettygood ratings, I think so I
haven't started season three yet, but apparently a lot of people
are saying season three isactually like oh no, this is
okay, they're doing it right now.
So I'm gonna have to go watchit and find out.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
That's the current season, right?
Yeah, so I am watching and Ididn't read the book, so I have
a different opinion than peoplewho read the books on it.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I.
This season seems to be thebest so far.
Good.
Yeah, that's kind of what I'mhearing from people that have
also read the books.
They're like yeah, season threeis.
I mean.
It's not perfect, but it's.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
It's definitely bringing it back towards what it
should be okay, good, well, hey, if it's successful, it just
means more and more chances willbe taken on other series right,
exactly, maybe good old missborn will be there at some point
speaking of this born.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
How are you enjoying that, dude?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
this book is.
It's gonna end up igniting awhole thing of me reading a ton
of books again which I haven'tdone in such a long time as it
should our episode about that.
Um, that book and a hundredpercent, the way that they use
magic and the system of magic inthis is like super unique.
I don't think I've ever seenanything like it.
So I think you're right, inanimation would probably be the
(07:39):
best way to do it, to reallyshow the flair of how it works.
Dude, solid series man, I'm,I'm loving this book, dude.
I I'm like I don't think I'mhalfway through it yet, but I
just I can't stop reading it.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So it's really good, it's so good, dude, and yeah,
you're welcome.
Man kelsey kelser, badass.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
You got like another six books to go now yeah, well,
that's fine, I'm gonna read them, because this, this is uh, it's
fun, for sure all right, shallwe dive into the main topic?
Yeah, let's do it.
I mean, I know we've talkedabout a little bit before of how
many there are of thesenowadays, but let's jump in,
buddy, go ahead and start it off.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, man.
So you know again we're talkingabout why does isekai dominate
anime?
And for you know, the people,for our listeners that don't
know you know, isekai isbasically another world,
transported to another world,reincarnated in another world,
stuck in a video game.
Um, though, those could all be,those would all be considered
isekai.
So like brief, brief, briefhistory, because you know, just
(08:40):
because right for um, fordevelopmental reasons, you know,
one of the earliest examples ofisekai, for Japan goes back to
the Muromachi period, with astory called Erashima Torah,
where this guy helps a turtleand then gets to go visit this
undersea land or underseakingdom.
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And then gets to go visit thisundersea land or undersea
kingdom and he thinks he spendsa few days there, but he gets
back.
You know, he gets back home,and it's been hundreds of years.
So like that story is probablythe earliest, one of the
earliest examples of Isekai, andthat was sometime, you know
(09:21):
they can't properly date thestory, but sometime, between you
you know, like 1350 and 1550.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
so that's how long um isekai has been a thing and
then you know, perspective, bro,like how crazy, because back
then they didn't even know whatare the.
You know, they didn't know whatmost of the world looked like
and they're already dreamingabout other worlds.
You know it's, it's just, itmust be a benchmark of humanity,
right?
I mean, you're right, we dreamwhat hell and heaven look like,
(09:47):
and it's the same situation,another world in a way.
So I think we're just obsessedwith some kind of other reality
at this point.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, exactly Another .
Another fun fact, as far as youknow, inspirational was like
Alice in Wonderland actuallyplays a hand.
You know an isekai influencethat's been translated into
japanese 450 times wow, so they?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
they're a huge fan of that story.
Makes me think of wizard of oztoo.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Right, I mean transfer to another, yeah wizard
of oz, and there's alsoapparently some.
There's also apparently sometruth to the whole.
Uh, like kind of the lolitaculture kind of got its start
with a little bit of the alicein wonderland stuff I mean, it
kind of makes sense right.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, it does track.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yeah, that's, that's actually super interesting yeah,
but you know, if we bring it tothe modern era, you know, fast
forward quite a ways, bring itto the modern era.
You know there's uh, I think itwas 1983.
Um, there was something calledaura battle or dunine, which I
haven't seen it.
I'm not claiming to have seenit, you know, it's just if you
look up the history of Isekai1983, that's kind of where it
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kicks back off into the modernera and it's a, you know, a
modern guy gets transported to amedieval-like world.
And then you've got FushigiYugi in 1992, which is a manga
and anime series about a girlwho enters a mystical book and
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finds herself in an ancientChinese-inspired world.
So then we take another littlebit of a fast forward to 2002,
and then you've got Sword ArtOnline and then just the whole
series.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Wow 02, huh.
So that's kind of the modernday kickoff of that type of
story again, because I mean thatmodern day you know it ripped,
that thing blew up.
I mean it was huge.
You know blending games, rpgelements, another world stuck in
the game, you know all thatkind of stuff really kicked off
you know a whole what 20 plusyears now that they've been
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making.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
You know making them constantly right right, but that
begs like the question like whyis it so freaking popular?
Why is it dominating?
You know, we also talked aboutthis in a realm rumor a few
weeks ago.
We talked about, about thatarticle, the state of isaac I
2025, you know, and it had youknow, and it had a bunch of
different.
it had a bunch of differentstatistics and stuff and said
you know, 15% of all anime thatare being made now are Isekai,
(12:12):
and you know they're not alwaysS tier.
They're not usually S tier, butnearly every Isekai is an A
tier anime.
So why are they all you know?
Why are they all you know?
Why are they all a tier anime?
Why is it so popular?
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I mean it's got to be the whole wish fulfillment
slash, escapism, slash, power,fantasy angle, right where you
know, and there's a whole jokeabout truck coon, right hits the
guy and then he dies.
It comes, you know, and now hegoes from a loser into someone
of importance and then I thinkit heavily taps on the whole.
(12:48):
What do they call the shut-insover there?
Was it weebs?
You know, like you're a weeb,you don't have friends,
everyone's outcast.
Neats, I think.
Neats, yes, neats.
So you're a loser and then youdie.
Usually you die and then youend up being reborn by a goddess
or something.
And you know, now you're in afantasy world of magic and elves
(13:08):
and pretty women, and they'realways handsome in the fantasy
world but not in the real world.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
You know, right, it's straight up escapism and wish
fulfillment, which nothing wrongwith it, it's awesome 100 and
if you look at the statistics,something like you know, I think
it's what 91 of all anime arewatched by men in the first
place.
I'd imagine that with isekaithat that statistic shoots way
up.
So it goes from like 91 for allanime to dude.
(13:32):
I would not be surprised if, ifthey, if crunchyroll like,
produced some numbers and it waslike isekai, you know viewers
are 99 male, wouldn't surpriseme it has to be, because I can't
even think of a female led one,can you?
I mean, there are a few yeah, inthe land of leodale.
So dude, check it out in theland of leodale and it's, I
(13:53):
swear to god, it's probably oneof the most wholesome things
I've ever watched, whichprobably is why it only got one
season.
Yeah, probably, um, and youknow we've mentioned this before
.
I will give any isekai a shotat at least for an episode or
two, just to kind of check itout.
But so you know the story inthe land of Leodale.
She like Sword Art Online.
She gets stuck in a video gameand it I think she was.
(14:15):
I can't remember if she wasdying or if she was just fully
disabled.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
OK.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, in real life.
So her dad or her dad's companybasically created the game
specifically for her and then itjust took off anyways.
That's cool.
You know it's typical stuff.
But like, when she gets inthere it's like dude, she's just
trucking around like doing it,I don't know man, it felt
weirdly wholesome.
I was like none of this isreally the typical Isakai stuff,
(14:44):
which.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Well, there was a season of Sword Art remember
there was a character who she?
I believe she was crippled ordying or something, and she was
in the game one of the seasons Ican't remember which one now
and she was like a top tierplayer and it was like this
really sad realization thatshe's, you know, terminal or
whatever it was, and it, youknow If that's not power fantasy
(15:05):
, I don't know what is rightLike you're actually like dying
or crippled or whatever.
And then in the game you'rerunning around it's most time
it's VR or some kind ofimmersive world where they can
feel like it's real, whichhopefully will be there one day.
I think we're on the way togetting that pretty soon, right?
I don't know, maybe 10 years,who knows.
Yeah, but yeah, I can the thing.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
You know, coming from somebody that does at least
read or watch a lot of Isekai.
Here's the thing.
I don't really care about theharem trope part of it.
That's never been my thing.
I also don't really give a shitabout the power fantasy part of
it.
You know we've talked aboutthat as well.
I like solo leveling and, yes,it is 100% just a power fantasy,
(15:47):
but it was still good.
Um, what I usually like in anisekai is 100, just straight for
the escapism factor.
Uh, like dude, the real worldsucks, the news sucks like
freaking, everything sucks.
So you know, I want to readsomething that's.
I want to read or watchsomething that has nothing to do
with the real world, and I meanjust the fantasy genre in
general.
Right, so, like mistborn, notset in the real world, wheel of
(16:08):
time, not set in the real world.
And I mean just the fantasygenre in general.
Right, so, like mistborn, notset in the real world, wheel of
time, not set in the real worldthis isn't a new concept.
Right, it's just done japanesestyle, anime style.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Right, like they just put a whole new spin on it and
it's a fun part, right, and theythrow these rpg elements like
leveling.
A lot of them have or quests ormagic or like you know it's.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
It's like they're blending, different genres, yeah
, yeah yeah, for sure you, youput enough of elements that
people are used to and it makesit a comfortable genre to watch.
And you know that's 100 truth,at least for me, because a lot
of times you know, like I mightnot even pay attention to an
isekai but I might put it on forbackground noise while I'm
doing something on the computer,just because it feels
(16:49):
comfortable.
It's nice to watch, like I, youcan put a little bit of mind
power in it to it, just to kindof pick up the early stuff and
then just kind of like watch inthe background or, you know,
watch off to the side whilestuff happens, and it's usually
good enough for me.
It's usually cool, right, which.
So I agree with that rating.
You know that the that Japangives them like 100.
(17:11):
I would say most isekai onlyfall into a tier.
You know status and I can'tthink of a single you know
isekai that I would rate as stier.
And I know, you know the threezero.
Everybody is gonna likestarting life in another world,
everybody's gonna crush me inthe comments or something, but
it's like I don't really care, Idon't think it's s tier, like
they didn't bring anything superaside from the animation, you
(17:31):
talk about art zero.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
You're talking about the zero one right when a kid
dies over and over yeah,starting life in another world
and he gets to reset his youknow so his position or whatever
the thing that I find reallyinteresting about that one,
which is it's kind ofinteresting, it's weird he's not
overpowered at all, no, and hegets wrecked all the time and I
think I really kind of like thetrauma aspect of like dying that
(17:57):
much and like trying all thesedifferent things to try to
survive this day.
That's like going to hell in ahandbasket type situation.
So I kind of like that one inthe regards of he's not
overpowered, he's got a reallyop ability, but it kind of isn't
, because who the hell wants toget their heart ripped out,
burst to pieces, like I mean hedies like brutally a lot.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Um, but I I could see what you mean about what you
were saying in there, in that,in that whole thing, but I do
like that that one's not theoverpowered, overlord type
fantasy thing it's like no, Imean I, this kid's just
struggling, right, he's juststruggling trying to get there,
I know, but I mean, don't tellme that anime deserves anime of
the year in any setting everbecause I didn't say, I didn't
(18:40):
know it won that did it win.
That I know, I'm just sayinglike don't even make the
argument oh, no, no I wouldn'tsay that.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, not any of the year, but I
think it's very interesting.
But I mean, I'm caught up onthe new season stuff.
As you're reading it, thattrope tends to get, you know,
like the reset thing it'sinteresting, but some of it's
like okay, okay, you know, Idon't know, at a certain point
you kind of want the guy to likecan you like level up or get
(19:08):
some kind of ability that youcan actually like fight?
But I think the point is hegets comrades who can do it for
him.
Sure, the new season isdefinitely a lot different as
far as like that goes.
But yeah, it's a, it's aninteresting story, but I would
never say anime of the year,absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, no, no, no.
I was just saying like you'llhear those arguments every once
in a while, like oh, this isgreat Like even jobless
reincarnation.
Like no bro, the animation isbeautiful, the story is meh Like
.
It just is what it is rightLike yeah.
And on top of that, the guy's aweirdo in the first place.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
So yeah, I mean it kind of ruins it when, when
there's stuff like that outsideof the story, but even just the
story itself, like it's nothinggroundbreaking.
Yeah, no, not really, you know,but I do enjoy the story, but
it's nothing, that's not.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I think the animation carries some of it, the, the
hype, you know what I mean whichis fine if you're gonna get
into that, then you might aswell say like that's why that
argument doesn't really carrywater for me, because I mean,
yeah, give it beautifulanimation.
I mean that's the whole pointof the anime, right?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
like yeah, sure make it beautiful.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Um.
What does that show?
Everybody dumped on it lastyear, two years ago, when it
came out, I got a cheat skill inanother world.
Um, but he's like I didn'twatch it he crosses back and
forth, he can.
He can come back to earth withhis cheat skills.
Um, here's the thing, dude likethe story sucks, the story
blows.
Go look at animation.
The animation is some of themost beautiful shit you have
(20:30):
ever seen.
Like it looks dope, it looksgreat.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, but that story's got to be on point, man.
If it's not on point, it's notgoing to hook you.
The story is okay.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
But it, let's face it , that is a power fantasy, that
is a harem power fantasy thatreally is made.
If I, all right, I would havebeen more bought.
I would have been more morebought in on the storyline of
him being an abused child, um,and I would invest more if they
(20:59):
had cut out some of the just theharem-y parts to it.
You know what I mean.
And like he doesn't officiallyset up a harem that I know of, I
mean I guess it could happen,but it's just like you know.
I don't need to see that everygirl in the world has fallen for
you, because that's that's oneof the weirdest tropes.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Like it is a strange trope, but it tends to be in a
lot of series, don't it For?
Speaker 1 (21:18):
sure.
But so they did harp on onething where it's like the guy
was as usual.
You know he's a clueless MPthat doesn't, or a clueless MC
that can't pick up on the factthat a girl's into him.
But here's the thing, the waythey explained his backstory in
that particular instance it waslike, yeah, okay, makes sense,
dude was abused, he was ugly,Ugly as fuck.
I mean he was ugly and so likehe had a hard time grasping.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
You know like am I good looking, or am I just
normal?
Speaker 1 (21:48):
looking, you know he has no idea.
Yeah, yeah.
So that would have held morewater with me if they would have
left out some of the, theharami parts of that where it's
just like bro, every girl, everyfreaking girl every girl.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
It's like the eminence and shadow of what we
were talking about, like they'reall in love with him and he
doesn't give a hell.
He doesn't give a fuck aboutthat.
He's just like, yeah, I'm doingmy own stuff, like he literally
doesn't care which is funny.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
But that's why that works for that show, right?
That's why that works isbecause he doesn't give a flip
like he's like I don't care.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
He's like I'm trying to do all this fun stuff.
Yeah, I mean, do you think it'sjust like light novels?
There's so many of them and nowthey're adapting them into
anime, like is that kind offlood?
Is that why there's so manymore of them being made?
Obviously they're popular, yeah, but like what do you think?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I?
I mean, I have to base it on meright I'm?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
a reader.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
So yeah, if you provide me with a book that is
interesting, um, and then I readthe story and then you tell me
you're making an anime fiveyears later, like of course I'm
gonna check it out, know.
So yeah, for me in particular,the fact that they started mass
producing or mass translating,you know, light novels into
English, like really makes mewatch more of them, because I've
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read more of the stories than Ihave seen the animes.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
So are they following them pretty faithfully, or
you'd say no.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I mean, of course, I mean that runs like the whole,
that runs like the whole gamutof you know everything, some of
them not at all, some of themstay pretty faithful, some of
them, like, are word for word.
It's like wow, I mean again, Ithink it goes back to just what
we were saying with you know,like the wheel of time thing,
like when you have so many booksand only one season of animated
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, yeah, some things are going tofall off or be dealt, be a
little bit different.
Like I'm not going to be toomad about that.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Um, yeah, I mean it's good though, because it's like
we're saying earlier, the morethat come out, the more than are
popular, you know, and like wesaid in other episodes, anime is
worldwide like way big time now, more than when we were growing
up, so it's just the audiencelevels like off the charts, you
know.
So it's it, and kind of what wementioned before, how, you know
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, the Japanese are able to blendthese familiar concepts but
change them to, you know, ininteresting ways.
And I love seeing, you know, Ilove seeing the worlds because
some of them are just sointeresting that they make you
know it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
No, I agree, it's the , it's the blend.
I think that's what makeseverybody watch these things or
read these things.
Right, You're?
You're just a blending so manyfamiliar things and putting them
together.
You know you've got the, like,the heads up display.
You've got the RGB, you've gotthe rpg mechanics.
You've got, you know, theescapism factor for people that
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don't really like reading johngrisham books, um, or anything
about real world, you know.
And then you've got you know,of course, like some of the,
some people actually like wantto watch the harem story and
that's fine, like I've got noproblem with.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
So, yeah, you blend all these things together and
you, I think obviously you'vemade a pretty solid recipe to
keep keep banging out hits yeah,but I think there's a certain
point where they're gonna haveto do masterful jobs of it,
because it there's so manycoming out and they're gonna
blend together.
So how are you gonna stand out,right, you know?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
we're, no, we're.
We're well past the point whereit feels, overdone like.
I mean it's it's.
It's overdone like it.
That thing is well cooked.
You've been in the sun too long, it's cooked.
So you know everybody, yougotta start, you gotta bring it
a little bit different now um,yeah, I agree it can't just be
great art.
You know it has to be more thanthat yeah, it can't just be
great art and girls and a newworld.
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Um, there was one last yearthat I really enjoyed trying to
the wrong way to heal orsomething like that oh, I, I
remember I didn't watch it, butI see I've seen a little bit
about it, yeah that'sinteresting.
Yeah, what is the title of thatshow?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
god it is I think the wrong way to heal.
Actually it's something likethat, because I remember, I
remember seeing that I think youkind kind of hinted.
The real world is kind of shitty, but at the end of the day,
harsh work culture in Japanright, that's got to be a huge
piece of this puzzle right Ofwhy they're so popular.
I mean, we have a harsh workculture here too, but I know
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over there it's a big deal.
Even what's the 100 hundred dayzombie one that we were talking
about before?
You know like he rather wouldlive in the in the zombie 100.
He'd rather live in the zombieworld where he can live his
actual life and do what hewanted, than a regular world
where he has to work at acorporate job.
Yeah, that's not this, but it'sinteresting enough.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
It's kind of fits that vein you know now, I agree,
but it's you've got to starttelling different stories now,
which which is why I appreciatedthat last year.
You know, when you get the, youknow what is it, whatever it's
called, the wrong way to healpeople or whatever the frick it
is.
You know there's a fresh takelike yeah it's, he's a guy, he
gets transported to anotherworld with a couple of his
classmates but then, like youknow, he's a healer which is
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sort of valuable but not alllike it's.
Yeah, I don't know, it's one ofthose weird things.
Like he um, it was definitelyvaluable and the, the healer
that, like the main healerperson in the kingdom, she like
snatches him up, she's likeyou're gonna be my training
partner or whatever, and thenshe just beats the ever-living
crap out of this for months andshe literally makes him the
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strongest dude in the worldbecause, uh, you know he can
heal himself, so he just it'sthe most cool.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
The most goofy ass shit I have ever seen, but it
was like you brought a slightlyfresh take to it.
Now it doesn't feel the same.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Now it's interesting.
Yeah, now it's interesting,right?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
So I think that's what they have to do.
You got to keep findinginteresting stuff to do to that,
otherwise I mean, what do youthink about the formula here?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
You know the MC dies reborn has cheat skills.
Do you think like the stakes ofthese stories?
Is there a way for them to makethe stakes a little, a little
more, or is it just part of thegenre?
Deal with it.
If you don't like it, don'twatch it.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Well, that's the thing.
Do they really need to?
I mean, really yeah people aregoing to watch them.
Yes, it's overdone.
Um, should they change thestakes?
I don't know, like would itmess up the formula to the point
where, like you can't save it?
I would imagine that part ofwhy the story is popular is
because it's, or why it's,easily made into anime is
because it's just easy to writeright.
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So if we start changing up theformula too much, um, like
they're just gonna, I don't knowwhat would happen.
Yeah, I'm not sure.
Maybe would it be good for it.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
I, I don't know I mean there isn't that kind of
what the whole reverse one isright, it kind of flips it on
its head in a way but that's,that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
You have to bring the fresh take to it right, the
wrong way to heal people, bringthem to another, like, bring
them back to earth.
You know, um, because I saw onelast year too.
It was like I got summoned toanother world again and I was
like, oh, that was almostinteresting, but you lost me at
episode three.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
So you completely failed, but you did get me for
three episodes well, that'sbetter than none, I guess, but
still come on, I get it.
There's a, there's a mono.
I read and I I think it'scalled hero reborn.
I'm not 100 and it's actuallyinteresting because the story is
set in modern, in our time, andwhat it was is that a hero
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returned from his mission,another, another world super
powered dude, loses it and juststarts just killing everyone he
can like, literally goes off thedeep end and trying to pretty
much wars against the entireworld.
So like as that story goes on,another guy's family got killed
by this hero and then before hedied, he got transported to a
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different world.
He leveled up like defeat.
The demon king came back andhis whole purpose was I'm gonna
kill this fucking guy and it'slike interesting because it's
like a whole different thing.
And then, as it goes on, there'slike other heroes too that have
returned here, and some of themare in hiding and some of them
the government took, and likethere's always the other thing.
So it's like ends up being likethese a group of heroes that
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return that were bad and then agroup of heroes that turn out
are good and they're all kind offighting.
It's interesting.
It's like a whole differentversion of that, but it is
different, yeah, you know Idon't know, man um, did you
watch?
Speaker 1 (29:56):
there was one on netflix, I don't know, a couple
years ago.
It was like my uncle fromanother world or whatever that
is oh, I haven't seen that onegod, what is the title of that?
so, yeah, the uncle this kid'suncle gets like isekai'd when
he's like 17 and he's um, but hedoesn't really get isekai'd.
He's in a coma, right.
But oh interesting, yeah, hismind is gone, like his mind got
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isekai'd um.
So he he wakes up at like 30years old.
So he's been over there for awhile, right, maybe maybe it was
even older than 30, I don'tknow.
But, um, everybody in thefamily's kind of abandoned him,
except, you know, his nephew, um, so he goes to live with the
nephew and they're like tryingto figure out ways to make money
and the uncle can do magic now.
So like, they start filming itand put it on youtube and
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they're doing stupid like lightsyeah, it's great, that's
awesome, but that's what I'msaying.
That's the kind of fresh takeyou got to bring right to make
to make it interesting now,because it's it's like this is
done, so be interesting with it,do do something cool, right and
you know, like devil's, apart-timer is a great example of
a unique thing, although I feellike it lost itself.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
But the concept is a great concept.
You know it's a cool concept.
Or the other one, what is it?
Dead bound, death play yeah,cool concept so definitely cool
concept the story does lose alittle bit in season two.
Yeah, you're gonna have to likereally bring in the story, but
if you got a good concept youcan really make it a yeah, you
can make it stand out.
It might be a little hard, buthey, it's all right, challenges
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are good.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Right, yeah, I don't know, man, I'm not going to
probably stop watching.
He's a guy like is going tocheck out a couple episodes of
something.
You know.
That's how I ended updiscovering that redo of healer
is the absolute worst, because Iwas like this looks like it
might be my thing.
It was not, but you know, I'malways going to watch at least a
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few episodes and give it a shot.
Some of them are great.
You know, some of them arebangers like are they
award-winning?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
nah, but solid a tier right hey, eight years still
pretty good, man.
Yeah, I'd watch a tier all day.
Yeah, absolutely so.
What's your hot take about allthis?
Huh?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
all right, does isekai only work?
Because life sucks?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
bro, honestly I think you we made that case the
entire episode at this point Idon't, I mean we still gotta
argue the point, dude oh man.
So I mean, how can you say no tothat?
I mean, I don't think my lifesucks.
There's definitely worse stuffthan people have than me, but
you know, everyone's got somestuff in their life they're like
not too happy about.
So you know, it's it, dude.
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It's the same argument for anykind of escapism, any movie.
People who love movies, peoplelove shows, they're escaping
into these shows, these books,these movies.
I mean there's a reason peopledo it.
It's not just because theirlife's so amazing.
You know, you kind of want toescape a fantasy set, especially
fantasy, I mean not earth,right, that's the whole point,
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you know.
But yeah, I couldn't argueagainst it.
I dare.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I don't know how you can well, see, here's the thing
I you know I'm just gonnacompletely flip the whole
argument now and just playdevil's advocate and go the
other way I've been arguing theentire time that isekai is only
popular because life sucks, andthat's the only reason I read
this shit.
Um, and that's mostly true, sortof I love my life.
I wouldn't change anything, butbring it back to what I was
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talking about at the beginning.
Is isekai only work becauselife sucks, dude?
Are you telling me?
Life sucked all the way back inthe 1300s when they first
started writing isekai stories?
Like, no dude, it's justhumanity.
Humanity wants to freakingexplore.
That's why space movies arepopular.
That's why going into space wassuch a thing because that's
(33:34):
another world, dude.
Um, and yeah, yeah, that'sanother hot take right there.
All space movies are isekai.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
So hey, there you go, let's, let's go for it how
about aliens?
Speaker 1 (33:43):
is isekai bro, oh god how about this?
Speaker 2 (33:47):
for for a, a unique take.
How about one of these?
Someone makes a story of these,and it's not about conquering
the new planet, they're justexploring it.
How about that?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
that'd be fun I think the argument could be made that
the aliens were just trying toexplore earth oh yeah, I could
see that they also needed to eat.
But I mean, that's whatever,true?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
true, sure, 100.
That's a good one, dude, Ithink.
I think you did a good job onthat.
That was out of the kit, allright.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
What do we got next week?
Jordan?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
So we got your boy Sasuke and Yuno, coming up oh
yeah, anime's best rivalries.
Yes, this will be a pretty goodone, and I'm kind of here for
the Sasuke hate, so let's, solet's, let's get into that next
episode.
I'll bring some of it at least.
Yeah, but yeah, we'll kind ofgo over some really good ones,
some ones that are overblown and, you know, just sort of our
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takes on on different ones.
I mean, most of them have somekind of, you know, best friend,
enemy, friend of me thing going.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
So for sure it's a good um, it's a good plot, uh,
plot device absolutely, and whenit's done right, it's really uh
interesting, you know yeah uh,and when it's done wrong, it's
very, very infuriating, yeahit's terrible.
It's that's how you get misfitof demon king academy.
Yeah, this will be a good one I.
How did they end?
Speaker 2 (35:08):
it's all right, we'll talk about next week, for sure
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Welcome back to Realm Jumpers.
From overpowered heroes tomagical reincarnations.
Isekai Anime has taken over ourwatchlist and the anime world.
But what makes this genre sopopular and why can't we get
enough of it?
Today we're diving into therise and reign of it.
But first let's check outwhat's new in the anime realm
with this week's Realm Rumors.
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What do you got for me, brother?
What's up, jordan?
How you been good, buddy, justworking my butt off yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
So honestly, I thought you would want to broach
this topic just because it's inyour territory of shows that
you love, but you know, tonightit's been a fairly slow news
week, but I thought this articlewas actually more hilarious
than anything else.
So the Dragon Ball Z editorblames live action, dragon Ball
movie, dragon Ball Evolution.
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We all know we all hatestunning movie, bro.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
What do you mean?
Academy Award?
What are you talking about?
That kid was great as Goku.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I'll come back to that.
Anyways, the DBZ editor.
They blame the failure onjapan's trust in hollywood.
Yeah, which big mistake.
That's a terrible idea.
Don't do that terrible,terrible idea brings us back to
the point you remember a fewweeks ago we mentioned it was
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kind of a click baby articletitle, but it was basically, you
know they had a crunchy rollwas saying, uh, anime needs to
remain inherently japanese.
I do remember that.
He's kind of right.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
He's kind of right, yeah I mean I know they're
trying.
I mean they've kind of beenslowly adapting live action
netflix ones.
I think there's a bleach moviewhich actually wasn't there is a
bleach movie um, one piece, youknow.
Obviously there's a series whichI guess is pretty successful.
I haven't watched it, fullmetal, but yep, full, yep, full
metal.
And honestly the best anime tolive action I've ever seen was
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the uh roni kenshin series ofmovies.
But then again it lends itright like a wandering samurai.
Pretty easy to do um, but dope,um.
And those were all, I'm prettysure, made, released.
I know the kenshin one.
I'm pretty sure it came fromjapan over, not not this way,
although I think one piece isbeing made here.
Right, it's a, it's a westernstudio, I believe.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I don't know bro, I should know this, but I don't
yeah I think it is.
I don't care, care, it's good.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, yeah, I haven't Again, I don't know, but on the
funny news about Dragon Balland all that evolution.
So apparently the newest SnowWhite movie came out this week.
The Disney movie and DragonBall Evolution is rated better
than this Shut up dude, than theSnow White movie.
Yeah, oh no, there is anamazing meme floating around on
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twitter and online right nowwhere it's from one of the old
school dragon ball z movies withbroly in it and he's like he
has goku like by the throat, butthe face on broly was the kid
from evolution and the onegetting choked out is snow white
.
And it has the ratings.
It's like 2.9 and 2.3 stars andapparently it's rated better
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than snow white, which is, I'msorry, objectively hilarious.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
That's the funniest thing ever that's pretty wild,
yeah um a couple of call outs inthis article, though, that I
thought were interesting.
so, you know, 2009, um, he divesinto it and he says that you
know they didn't have the faithor they didn't want to invest
the 50 million dollars US thatit was going to cost to get you
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know the rights to the final cut, so that way, they'd be able to
say, yeah, you're now whetherthis is a go.
But another thing that I foundinteresting in here is the actor
when, when Homie died from youknow the original creator.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
When he died, the actor Justin,something it's in the article,
but this Justin dude, when he,when, when the guy died, he
apologized.
Oh damn, he felt so bad.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, yeah I mean the movie's trash, it's just so
damn.
He felt so bad.
Yeah, I mean the movie's trash,it's just so.
I've only ever watched it onceand I was, I was, I hated it
then.
I can't imagine now as an olderdude trying to watch it.
I probably would be likefurious.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I mean, that's the thing man Like in 2009,.
I remember watching it on TV orHBO or whatever it came out on
Right, who it on tv or hbo orwhatever it came out on right,
who knows, but I remembered.
I remember watching that andthat turned me off of live
action.
anything until forever, untilone piece yeah alchemist could
have been good, death note couldhave been good.
I bleach could have been good.
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I have no freaking clue.
I was like, yeah, I'm nottouching that trash.
I mean it's probably thegreatest things ever made.
But I was like, yeah, no,dragon ball z was terrible.
I'm never watching that stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
It's the same for video game to movies with mario
in the 90s, like there ain't noway, I mean now we're getting
cool shut up.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Dude mario in the 90s masterpiece.
That was a masterpiece of storyI need to.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I need to re-watch this movie and I know they had
to be high as anything when theymade that movie.
I haven't seen it lately, but Ishould rewatch it, just for the
, you know, for gig.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Nah, it was terrible, but I still liked it.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Well, hey, at least now we're getting great adapted.
You know well, sometimes agreat adapted Every now and then
you get a like Last of Us ispretty great as the show I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah, I mean mostly great, right, yeah, yeah, I mean
mostly great, right, yeah,that's the thing, though
everything's getting a live,live action adaption.
Now, you know you got likewheel of time, um, which you
know there are differencesbetween the books and the tv
show.
There's no way you're evergoing to be able to tell a 14
novel series that where eachbook is encroaching on you know,
(06:01):
approaching a thousand pages,you're never going to be able to
tell that in one season oftelevision.
So I don't, everybody kind ofneeds to give the show a little
bit of slack, because while theyhave some made questionable,
some questionable choices havebeen made, for the most part
they kind of have to just adaptthe thing on the run right like
there's no way to adapt.
Let's see the eye of the world,season one.
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You know there's no way toadapt 800 pages into one hours
of television.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, yeah yes, but it's a hard job.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I mean, I guess you're pulling it off, though
right, it's got it's in prettygood ratings, I think so I
haven't started season three yet, but apparently a lot of people
are saying season three isactually like oh no, this is
okay, they're doing it right now.
So I'm gonna have to go watchit and find out.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
That's the current season, right?
Yeah, so I am watching and Ididn't read the book, so I have
a different opinion than peoplewho read the books on it.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I.
This season seems to be thebest so far.
Good.
Yeah, that's kind of what I'mhearing from people that have
also read the books.
They're like yeah, season threeis.
I mean.
It's not perfect, but it's.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
It's definitely bringing it back towards what it
should be okay, good, well, hey, if it's successful, it just
means more and more chances willbe taken on other series right,
exactly, maybe good old missborn will be there at some point
speaking of this born.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
How are you enjoying that, dude?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
this book is.
It's gonna end up igniting awhole thing of me reading a ton
of books again which I haven'tdone in such a long time as it
should our episode about that.
Um, that book and a hundredpercent, the way that they use
magic and the system of magic inthis is like super unique.
I don't think I've ever seenanything like it.
So I think you're right, inanimation would probably be the
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best way to do it, to reallyshow the flair of how it works.
Dude, solid series man, I'm,I'm loving this book, dude.
I I'm like I don't think I'mhalfway through it yet, but I
just I can't stop reading it.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So it's really good, it's so good, dude, and yeah,
you're welcome.
Man kelsey kelser, badass.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
You got like another six books to go now yeah, well,
that's fine, I'm gonna read them, because this, this is uh, it's
fun, for sure all right, shallwe dive into the main topic?
Yeah, let's do it.
I mean, I know we've talkedabout a little bit before of how
many there are of thesenowadays, but let's jump in,
buddy, go ahead and start it off.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, man.
So you know again we're talkingabout why does isekai dominate
anime?
And for you know, the people,for our listeners that don't
know you know, isekai isbasically another world,
transported to another world,reincarnated in another world,
stuck in a video game.
Um, though, those could all be,those would all be considered
isekai.
So like brief, brief, briefhistory, because you know, just
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because right for um, fordevelopmental reasons, you know,
one of the earliest examples ofisekai, for Japan goes back to
the Muromachi period, with astory called Erashima Torah,
where this guy helps a turtleand then gets to go visit this
undersea land or underseakingdom.
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And then gets to go visit thisundersea land or undersea
kingdom and he thinks he spendsa few days there, but he gets
back.
You know, he gets back home,and it's been hundreds of years.
So like that story is probablythe earliest, one of the
earliest examples of Isekai, andthat was sometime, you know
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they can't properly date thestory, but sometime, between you
you know, like 1350 and 1550.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
so that's how long um isekai has been a thing and
then you know, perspective, bro,like how crazy, because back
then they didn't even know whatare the.
You know, they didn't know whatmost of the world looked like
and they're already dreamingabout other worlds.
You know it's, it's just, itmust be a benchmark of humanity,
right?
I mean, you're right, we dreamwhat hell and heaven look like,
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and it's the same situation,another world in a way.
So I think we're just obsessedwith some kind of other reality
at this point.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, exactly Another .
Another fun fact, as far as youknow, inspirational was like
Alice in Wonderland actuallyplays a hand.
You know an isekai influencethat's been translated into
japanese 450 times wow, so they?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
they're a huge fan of that story.
Makes me think of wizard of oztoo.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Right, I mean transfer to another, yeah wizard
of oz, and there's alsoapparently some.
There's also apparently sometruth to the whole.
Uh, like kind of the lolitaculture kind of got its start
with a little bit of the alicein wonderland stuff I mean, it
kind of makes sense right.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, it does track.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yeah, that's, that's actually super interesting yeah,
but you know, if we bring it tothe modern era, you know, fast
forward quite a ways, bring itto the modern era.
You know there's uh, I think itwas 1983.
Um, there was something calledaura battle or dunine, which I
haven't seen it.
I'm not claiming to have seenit, you know, it's just if you
look up the history of Isekai1983, that's kind of where it
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kicks back off into the modernera and it's a, you know, a
modern guy gets transported to amedieval-like world.
And then you've got FushigiYugi in 1992, which is a manga
and anime series about a girlwho enters a mystical book and
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finds herself in an ancientChinese-inspired world.
So then we take another littlebit of a fast forward to 2002,
and then you've got Sword ArtOnline and then just the whole
series.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Wow 02, huh.
So that's kind of the modernday kickoff of that type of
story again, because I mean thatmodern day you know it ripped,
that thing blew up.
I mean it was huge.
You know blending games, rpgelements, another world stuck in
the game, you know all thatkind of stuff really kicked off
you know a whole what 20 plusyears now that they've been
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making.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
You know making them constantly right right, but that
begs like the question like whyis it so freaking popular?
Why is it dominating?
You know, we also talked aboutthis in a realm rumor a few
weeks ago.
We talked about, about thatarticle, the state of isaac I
2025, you know, and it had youknow, and it had a bunch of
different.
it had a bunch of differentstatistics and stuff and said
you know, 15% of all anime thatare being made now are Isekai,
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and you know they're not alwaysS tier.
They're not usually S tier, butnearly every Isekai is an A
tier anime.
So why are they all you know?
Why are they all you know?
Why are they all a tier anime?
Why is it so popular?
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I mean it's got to be the whole wish fulfillment
slash, escapism, slash, power,fantasy angle, right where you
know, and there's a whole jokeabout truck coon, right hits the
guy and then he dies.
It comes, you know, and now hegoes from a loser into someone
of importance and then I thinkit heavily taps on the whole.
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What do they call the shut-insover there?
Was it weebs?
You know, like you're a weeb,you don't have friends,
everyone's outcast.
Neats, I think.
Neats, yes, neats.
So you're a loser and then youdie.
Usually you die and then youend up being reborn by a goddess
or something.
And you know, now you're in afantasy world of magic and elves
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and pretty women, and they'realways handsome in the fantasy
world but not in the real world.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
You know, right, it's straight up escapism and wish
fulfillment, which nothing wrongwith it, it's awesome 100 and
if you look at the statistics,something like you know, I think
it's what 91 of all anime arewatched by men in the first
place.
I'd imagine that with isekaithat that statistic shoots way
up.
So it goes from like 91 for allanime to dude.
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I would not be surprised if, ifthey, if crunchyroll like,
produced some numbers and it waslike isekai, you know viewers
are 99 male, wouldn't surpriseme it has to be, because I can't
even think of a female led one,can you?
I mean, there are a few yeah, inthe land of leodale.
So dude, check it out in theland of leodale and it's, I
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swear to god, it's probably oneof the most wholesome things
I've ever watched, whichprobably is why it only got one
season.
Yeah, probably, um, and youknow we've mentioned this before
.
I will give any isekai a shotat at least for an episode or
two, just to kind of check itout.
But so you know the story inthe land of Leodale.
She like Sword Art Online.
She gets stuck in a video gameand it I think she was.
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I can't remember if she wasdying or if she was just fully
disabled.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
OK.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, in real life.
So her dad or her dad's companybasically created the game
specifically for her and then itjust took off anyways.
That's cool.
You know it's typical stuff.
But like, when she gets inthere it's like dude, she's just
trucking around like doing it,I don't know man, it felt
weirdly wholesome.
I was like none of this isreally the typical Isakai stuff,
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which.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Well, there was a season of Sword Art remember
there was a character who she?
I believe she was crippled ordying or something, and she was
in the game one of the seasons Ican't remember which one now
and she was like a top tierplayer and it was like this
really sad realization thatshe's, you know, terminal or
whatever it was, and it, youknow If that's not power fantasy
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, I don't know what is rightLike you're actually like dying
or crippled or whatever.
And then in the game you'rerunning around it's most time
it's VR or some kind ofimmersive world where they can
feel like it's real, whichhopefully will be there one day.
I think we're on the way togetting that pretty soon, right?
I don't know, maybe 10 years,who knows.
Yeah, but yeah, I can the thing.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
You know, coming from somebody that does at least
read or watch a lot of Isekai.
Here's the thing.
I don't really care about theharem trope part of it.
That's never been my thing.
I also don't really give a shitabout the power fantasy part of
it.
You know we've talked aboutthat as well.
I like solo leveling and, yes,it is 100% just a power fantasy,
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but it was still good.
Um, what I usually like in anisekai is 100, just straight for
the escapism factor.
Uh, like dude, the real worldsucks, the news sucks like
freaking, everything sucks.
So you know, I want to readsomething that's.
I want to read or watchsomething that has nothing to do
with the real world, and I meanjust the fantasy genre in
general.
Right, so, like mistborn, notset in the real world, wheel of
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time, not set in the real world.
And I mean just the fantasygenre in general.
Right, so, like mistborn, notset in the real world, wheel of
time, not set in the real worldthis isn't a new concept.
Right, it's just done japanesestyle, anime style.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Right, like they just put a whole new spin on it and
it's a fun part, right, and theythrow these rpg elements like
leveling.
A lot of them have or quests ormagic or like you know it's.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
It's like they're blending, different genres, yeah
, yeah yeah, for sure you, youput enough of elements that
people are used to and it makesit a comfortable genre to watch.
And you know that's 100 truth,at least for me, because a lot
of times you know, like I mightnot even pay attention to an
isekai but I might put it on forbackground noise while I'm
doing something on the computer,just because it feels
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comfortable.
It's nice to watch, like I, youcan put a little bit of mind
power in it to it, just to kindof pick up the early stuff and
then just kind of like watch inthe background or, you know,
watch off to the side whilestuff happens, and it's usually
good enough for me.
It's usually cool, right, which.
So I agree with that rating.
You know that the that Japangives them like 100.
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I would say most isekai onlyfall into a tier.
You know status and I can'tthink of a single you know
isekai that I would rate as stier.
And I know, you know the threezero.
Everybody is gonna likestarting life in another world,
everybody's gonna crush me inthe comments or something, but
it's like I don't really care, Idon't think it's s tier, like
they didn't bring anything superaside from the animation, you
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talk about art zero.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
You're talking about the zero one right when a kid
dies over and over yeah,starting life in another world
and he gets to reset his youknow so his position or whatever
the thing that I find reallyinteresting about that one,
which is it's kind ofinteresting, it's weird he's not
overpowered at all, no, and hegets wrecked all the time and I
think I really kind of like thetrauma aspect of like dying that
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much and like trying all thesedifferent things to try to
survive this day.
That's like going to hell in ahandbasket type situation.
So I kind of like that one inthe regards of he's not
overpowered, he's got a reallyop ability, but it kind of isn't
, because who the hell wants toget their heart ripped out,
burst to pieces, like I mean hedies like brutally a lot.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Um, but I I could see what you mean about what you
were saying in there, in that,in that whole thing, but I do
like that that one's not theoverpowered, overlord type
fantasy thing it's like no, Imean I, this kid's just
struggling, right, he's juststruggling trying to get there,
I know, but I mean, don't tellme that anime deserves anime of
the year in any setting everbecause I didn't say, I didn't
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know it won that did it win.
That I know, I'm just sayinglike don't even make the
argument oh, no, no I wouldn'tsay that.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, not any of the year, but I
think it's very interesting.
But I mean, I'm caught up onthe new season stuff.
As you're reading it, thattrope tends to get, you know,
like the reset thing it'sinteresting, but some of it's
like okay, okay, you know, Idon't know, at a certain point
you kind of want the guy to likecan you like level up or get
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some kind of ability that youcan actually like fight?
But I think the point is hegets comrades who can do it for
him.
Sure, the new season isdefinitely a lot different as
far as like that goes.
But yeah, it's a, it's aninteresting story, but I would
never say anime of the year,absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, no, no, no.
I was just saying like you'llhear those arguments every once
in a while, like oh, this isgreat Like even jobless
reincarnation.
Like no bro, the animation isbeautiful, the story is meh Like
.
It just is what it is rightLike yeah.
And on top of that, the guy's aweirdo in the first place.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
So yeah, I mean it kind of ruins it when, when
there's stuff like that outsideof the story, but even just the
story itself, like it's nothinggroundbreaking.
Yeah, no, not really, you know,but I do enjoy the story, but
it's nothing, that's not.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I think the animation carries some of it, the, the
hype, you know what I mean whichis fine if you're gonna get
into that, then you might aswell say like that's why that
argument doesn't really carrywater for me, because I mean,
yeah, give it beautifulanimation.
I mean that's the whole pointof the anime, right?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
like yeah, sure make it beautiful.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Um.
What does that show?
Everybody dumped on it lastyear, two years ago, when it
came out, I got a cheat skill inanother world.
Um, but he's like I didn'twatch it he crosses back and
forth, he can.
He can come back to earth withhis cheat skills.
Um, here's the thing, dude likethe story sucks, the story
blows.
Go look at animation.
The animation is some of themost beautiful shit you have
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ever seen.
Like it looks dope, it looksgreat.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, but that story's got to be on point, man.
If it's not on point, it's notgoing to hook you.
The story is okay.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
But it, let's face it , that is a power fantasy, that
is a harem power fantasy thatreally is made.
If I, all right, I would havebeen more bought.
I would have been more morebought in on the storyline of
him being an abused child, um,and I would invest more if they
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had cut out some of the just theharem-y parts to it.
You know what I mean.
And like he doesn't officiallyset up a harem that I know of, I
mean I guess it could happen,but it's just like you know.
I don't need to see that everygirl in the world has fallen for
you, because that's that's oneof the weirdest tropes.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Like it is a strange trope, but it tends to be in a
lot of series, don't it For?
Speaker 1 (21:18):
sure.
But so they did harp on onething where it's like the guy
was as usual.
You know he's a clueless MPthat doesn't, or a clueless MC
that can't pick up on the factthat a girl's into him.
But here's the thing, the waythey explained his backstory in
that particular instance it waslike, yeah, okay, makes sense,
dude was abused, he was ugly,Ugly as fuck.
I mean he was ugly and so likehe had a hard time grasping.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
You know like am I good looking, or am I just
normal?
Speaker 1 (21:48):
looking, you know he has no idea.
Yeah, yeah.
So that would have held morewater with me if they would have
left out some of the, theharami parts of that where it's
just like bro, every girl, everyfreaking girl every girl.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
It's like the eminence and shadow of what we
were talking about, like they'reall in love with him and he
doesn't give a hell.
He doesn't give a fuck aboutthat.
He's just like, yeah, I'm doingmy own stuff, like he literally
doesn't care which is funny.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
But that's why that works for that show, right?
That's why that works isbecause he doesn't give a flip
like he's like I don't care.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
He's like I'm trying to do all this fun stuff.
Yeah, I mean, do you think it'sjust like light novels?
There's so many of them and nowthey're adapting them into
anime, like is that kind offlood?
Is that why there's so manymore of them being made?
Obviously they're popular, yeah, but like what do you think?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I?
I mean, I have to base it on meright I'm?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
a reader.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
So yeah, if you provide me with a book that is
interesting, um, and then I readthe story and then you tell me
you're making an anime fiveyears later, like of course I'm
gonna check it out, know.
So yeah, for me in particular,the fact that they started mass
producing or mass translating,you know, light novels into
English, like really makes mewatch more of them, because I've
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read more of the stories than Ihave seen the animes.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
So are they following them pretty faithfully, or
you'd say no.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I mean, of course, I mean that runs like the whole,
that runs like the whole gamutof you know everything, some of
them not at all, some of themstay pretty faithful, some of
them, like, are word for word.
It's like wow, I mean again, Ithink it goes back to just what
we were saying with you know,like the wheel of time thing,
like when you have so many booksand only one season of animated
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, yeah, some things are going tofall off or be dealt, be a
little bit different.
Like I'm not going to be toomad about that.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Um, yeah, I mean it's good though, because it's like
we're saying earlier, the morethat come out, the more than are
popular, you know, and like wesaid in other episodes, anime is
worldwide like way big time now, more than when we were growing
up, so it's just the audiencelevels like off the charts, you
know.
So it's it, and kind of what wementioned before, how, you know
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, the Japanese are able to blendthese familiar concepts but
change them to, you know, ininteresting ways.
And I love seeing, you know, Ilove seeing the worlds because
some of them are just sointeresting that they make you
know it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
No, I agree, it's the , it's the blend.
I think that's what makeseverybody watch these things or
read these things.
Right, You're?
You're just a blending so manyfamiliar things and putting them
together.
You know you've got the, like,the heads up display.
You've got the RGB, you've gotthe rpg mechanics.
You've got, you know, theescapism factor for people that
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don't really like reading johngrisham books, um, or anything
about real world, you know.
And then you've got you know,of course, like some of the,
some people actually like wantto watch the harem story and
that's fine, like I've got noproblem with.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
So, yeah, you blend all these things together and
you, I think obviously you'vemade a pretty solid recipe to
keep keep banging out hits yeah,but I think there's a certain
point where they're gonna haveto do masterful jobs of it,
because it there's so manycoming out and they're gonna
blend together.
So how are you gonna stand out,right, you know?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
we're, no, we're.
We're well past the point whereit feels, overdone like.
I mean it's it's.
It's overdone like it.
That thing is well cooked.
You've been in the sun too long, it's cooked.
So you know everybody, yougotta start, you gotta bring it
a little bit different now um,yeah, I agree it can't just be
great art.
You know it has to be more thanthat yeah, it can't just be
great art and girls and a newworld.
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Um, there was one last yearthat I really enjoyed trying to
the wrong way to heal orsomething like that oh, I, I
remember I didn't watch it, butI see I've seen a little bit
about it, yeah that'sinteresting.
Yeah, what is the title of thatshow?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
god it is I think the wrong way to heal.
Actually it's something likethat, because I remember, I
remember seeing that I think youkind kind of hinted.
The real world is kind of shitty, but at the end of the day,
harsh work culture in Japanright, that's got to be a huge
piece of this puzzle right Ofwhy they're so popular.
I mean, we have a harsh workculture here too, but I know
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over there it's a big deal.
Even what's the 100 hundred dayzombie one that we were talking
about before?
You know like he rather wouldlive in the in the zombie 100.
He'd rather live in the zombieworld where he can live his
actual life and do what hewanted, than a regular world
where he has to work at acorporate job.
Yeah, that's not this, but it'sinteresting enough.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
It's kind of fits that vein you know now, I agree,
but it's you've got to starttelling different stories now,
which which is why I appreciatedthat last year.
You know, when you get the, youknow what is it, whatever it's
called, the wrong way to healpeople or whatever the frick it
is.
You know there's a fresh takelike yeah it's, he's a guy, he
gets transported to anotherworld with a couple of his
classmates but then, like youknow, he's a healer which is
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sort of valuable but not alllike it's.
Yeah, I don't know, it's one ofthose weird things.
Like he um, it was definitelyvaluable and the, the healer
that, like the main healerperson in the kingdom, she like
snatches him up, she's likeyou're gonna be my training
partner or whatever, and thenshe just beats the ever-living
crap out of this for months andshe literally makes him the
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strongest dude in the worldbecause, uh, you know he can
heal himself, so he just it'sthe most cool.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
The most goofy ass shit I have ever seen, but it
was like you brought a slightlyfresh take to it.
Now it doesn't feel the same.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Now it's interesting.
Yeah, now it's interesting,right?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
So I think that's what they have to do.
You got to keep findinginteresting stuff to do to that,
otherwise I mean, what do youthink about the formula here?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
You know the MC dies reborn has cheat skills.
Do you think like the stakes ofthese stories?
Is there a way for them to makethe stakes a little, a little
more, or is it just part of thegenre?
Deal with it.
If you don't like it, don'twatch it.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Well, that's the thing.
Do they really need to?
I mean, really yeah people aregoing to watch them.
Yes, it's overdone.
Um, should they change thestakes?
I don't know, like would itmess up the formula to the point
where, like you can't save it?
I would imagine that part ofwhy the story is popular is
because it's, or why it's,easily made into anime is
because it's just easy to writeright.
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So if we start changing up theformula too much, um, like
they're just gonna, I don't knowwhat would happen.
Yeah, I'm not sure.
Maybe would it be good for it.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
I, I don't know I mean there isn't that kind of
what the whole reverse one isright, it kind of flips it on
its head in a way but that's,that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
You have to bring the fresh take to it right, the
wrong way to heal people, bringthem to another, like, bring
them back to earth.
You know, um, because I saw onelast year too.
It was like I got summoned toanother world again and I was
like, oh, that was almostinteresting, but you lost me at
episode three.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
So you completely failed, but you did get me for
three episodes well, that'sbetter than none, I guess, but
still come on, I get it.
There's a, there's a mono.
I read and I I think it'scalled hero reborn.
I'm not 100 and it's actuallyinteresting because the story is
set in modern, in our time, andwhat it was is that a hero
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returned from his mission,another, another world super
powered dude, loses it and juststarts just killing everyone he
can like, literally goes off thedeep end and trying to pretty
much wars against the entireworld.
So like as that story goes on,another guy's family got killed
by this hero and then before hedied, he got transported to a
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different world.
He leveled up like defeat.
The demon king came back andhis whole purpose was I'm gonna
kill this fucking guy and it'slike interesting because it's
like a whole different thing.
And then, as it goes on, there'slike other heroes too that have
returned here, and some of themare in hiding and some of them
the government took, and likethere's always the other thing.
So it's like ends up being likethese a group of heroes that
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return that were bad and then agroup of heroes that turn out
are good and they're all kind offighting.
It's interesting.
It's like a whole differentversion of that, but it is
different, yeah, you know Idon't know, man um, did you
watch?
Speaker 1 (29:56):
there was one on netflix, I don't know, a couple
years ago.
It was like my uncle fromanother world or whatever that
is oh, I haven't seen that onegod, what is the title of that?
so, yeah, the uncle this kid'suncle gets like isekai'd when
he's like 17 and he's um, but hedoesn't really get isekai'd.
He's in a coma, right.
But oh interesting, yeah, hismind is gone, like his mind got
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isekai'd um.
So he he wakes up at like 30years old.
So he's been over there for awhile, right, maybe maybe it was
even older than 30, I don'tknow.
But, um, everybody in thefamily's kind of abandoned him,
except, you know, his nephew, um, so he goes to live with the
nephew and they're like tryingto figure out ways to make money
and the uncle can do magic now.
So like, they start filming itand put it on youtube and
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they're doing stupid like lightsyeah, it's great, that's
awesome, but that's what I'msaying.
That's the kind of fresh takeyou got to bring right to make
to make it interesting now,because it's it's like this is
done, so be interesting with it,do do something cool, right and
you know, like devil's, apart-timer is a great example of
a unique thing, although I feellike it lost itself.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
But the concept is a great concept.
You know it's a cool concept.
Or the other one, what is it?
Dead bound, death play yeah,cool concept so definitely cool
concept the story does lose alittle bit in season two.
Yeah, you're gonna have to likereally bring in the story, but
if you got a good concept youcan really make it a yeah, you
can make it stand out.
It might be a little hard, buthey, it's all right, challenges
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are good.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Right, yeah, I don't know, man, I'm not going to
probably stop watching.
He's a guy like is going tocheck out a couple episodes of
something.
You know.
That's how I ended updiscovering that redo of healer
is the absolute worst, because Iwas like this looks like it
might be my thing.
It was not, but you know, I'malways going to watch at least a
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few episodes and give it a shot.
Some of them are great.
You know, some of them arebangers like are they
award-winning?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
nah, but solid a tier right hey, eight years still
pretty good, man.
Yeah, I'd watch a tier all day.
Yeah, absolutely so.
What's your hot take about allthis?
Huh?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
all right, does isekai only work?
Because life sucks?
Speaker 2 (32:07):
bro, honestly I think you we made that case the
entire episode at this point Idon't, I mean we still gotta
argue the point, dude oh man.
So I mean, how can you say no tothat?
I mean, I don't think my lifesucks.
There's definitely worse stuffthan people have than me, but
you know, everyone's got somestuff in their life they're like
not too happy about.
So you know, it's it, dude.
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It's the same argument for anykind of escapism, any movie.
People who love movies, peoplelove shows, they're escaping
into these shows, these books,these movies.
I mean there's a reason peopledo it.
It's not just because theirlife's so amazing.
You know, you kind of want toescape a fantasy set, especially
fantasy, I mean not earth,right, that's the whole point,
(32:48):
you know.
But yeah, I couldn't argueagainst it.
I dare.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I don't know how you can well, see, here's the thing
I you know I'm just gonnacompletely flip the whole
argument now and just playdevil's advocate and go the
other way I've been arguing theentire time that isekai is only
popular because life sucks, andthat's the only reason I read
this shit.
Um, and that's mostly true, sortof I love my life.
I wouldn't change anything, butbring it back to what I was
(33:13):
talking about at the beginning.
Is isekai only work becauselife sucks, dude?
Are you telling me?
Life sucked all the way back inthe 1300s when they first
started writing isekai stories?
Like, no dude, it's justhumanity.
Humanity wants to freakingexplore.
That's why space movies arepopular.
That's why going into space wassuch a thing because that's
(33:34):
another world, dude.
Um, and yeah, yeah, that'sanother hot take right there.
All space movies are isekai.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
So hey, there you go, let's, let's go for it how
about aliens?
Speaker 1 (33:43):
is isekai bro, oh god how about this?
Speaker 2 (33:47):
for for a, a unique take.
How about one of these?
Someone makes a story of these,and it's not about conquering
the new planet, they're justexploring it.
How about that?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
that'd be fun I think the argument could be made that
the aliens were just trying toexplore earth oh yeah, I could
see that they also needed to eat.
But I mean, that's whatever,true?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
true, sure, 100.
That's a good one, dude, Ithink.
I think you did a good job onthat.
That was out of the kit, allright.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
What do we got next week?
Jordan?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
So we got your boy Sasuke and Yuno, coming up oh
yeah, anime's best rivalries.
Yes, this will be a pretty goodone, and I'm kind of here for
the Sasuke hate, so let's, solet's, let's get into that next
episode.
I'll bring some of it at least.
Yeah, but yeah, we'll kind ofgo over some really good ones,
some ones that are overblown and, you know, just sort of our
(34:40):
takes on on different ones.
I mean, most of them have somekind of, you know, best friend,
enemy, friend of me thing going.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
So for sure it's a good um, it's a good plot, uh,
plot device absolutely, and whenit's done right, it's really uh
interesting, you know yeah uh,and when it's done wrong, it's
very, very infuriating, yeahit's terrible.
It's that's how you get misfitof demon king academy.
Yeah, this will be a good one I.
How did they end?
Speaker 2 (35:08):
it's all right, we'll talk about next week, for sure
absolutely good night later.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Thanks for jumping into the realm with us today.
Be sure to follow realm jumperswherever you get your podcasts
and don't forget to share yourthoughts, theories and favorite
moments with us stay epic andkeep exploring the worlds you
love.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Leave us a review on your podcast platform and if
you're stuck on what to say, letus know what your favorite
anime is.
See you in the next realm.
On what to say, let us knowwhat your favorite anime is.
See you in the next round.
(36:11):
Thank you.
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