April 17, 2025 • 38 mins
What happens when the worlds of caped crusaders and super-powered anime heroes collide? In this fascinating exploration of cross-cultural storytelling, we dive into the shared DNA between Western superhero comics and Japanese anime/manga, uncovering surprising connections you might never have noticed.
Did you know that Goku and Superman share remarkably similar origin stories? Or that Dragon Ball Z was originally meant to end after the Cell Saga until editorial pressure forced its continuation? We reveal these realm rumors while examining how these parallel universes of heroism have been secretly influencing each other for decades.
From Batman Beyond's Akira-inspired cyberpunk aesthetics to My Hero Academia's reimagining of American superhero tropes, the line between these traditions grows increasingly blurred. We explore why anime often delivers more emotionally satisfying conclusions while Western comics maintain their characters in perpetual stasis. Is it possible to tell complete stories with genuine stakes when your hero can never truly change?
The conversation takes interesting turns as we debate the industry differences that shape these storytelling approaches. Western comics struggle with convoluted continuity and constantly rotating creative teams, while manga typically maintains a singular vision. What would happen if Marvel or DC fully embraced anime production methods by giving Japanese studios complete creative control over iconic characters like Wolverine or Spider-Man?
Whether you're team Superman or team Goku, this episode offers fresh perspectives on how cultural differences and narrative traditions have shaped our favorite heroes. Subscribe now and join our community of realm jumpers exploring the epic worlds of fantasy and anime!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to Realm Jumpers.
I'm Andrew and this is myco-host, jordan.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hey everyone.
We're here to dive into theworlds of fantasy and anime,
bringing you epic stories andunforgettable adventures.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
We'll be talking world building, unforgettable
villains and everything thatmakes these genres legendary.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
So let's jump into the realm.
What's up, buddy?
How are you?
I'm doing all right manSurviving.
Yeah fighting off a little ofthe seasonal ick huh.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yeah, it's the theme of the week Surviving High
school and the dead style hey,that zombie virus?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
right, yeah, it's the zombie virus.
Got me, bro, they got you, dude, well.
Well, this is a little bit of afun episode, I guess.
Right, evolution of superherofantasy and, uh, anime overlap.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
it's kind of interesting yeah, man, from
caped crusaders leading off thecomic pages to, uh, the
high-flying anime heroes, hit mewith uh what do we got?
Well?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
you know we gotta, you know, tie that little thread
there, superman to goku, youknow how do they collide that
kind of fun stuff.
But I think you got some realmrumors for us real quick, yeah
man?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
um, I'm excited to dive into the topic.
But, yeah, the realm rumor fortonight.
Um so this was just confirmed acouple of days ago and I
thought you would be reallyinterested in this, okay, um, so
it was confirmed that toriyamaofficially wanted to end dragon
ball z at the Cell Saga and hewas kind of pressured, slash,
(01:27):
forced, into continuing that on.
How do you feel about?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
that, brother, good old editors, right Like we need
another three years out of you,yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
How do you feel?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
about that.
Cell Saga is like the kind ofthe pinnacle of the story.
You know it's definitely, youknow, android into Cell S cell
saga was amazing and you couldkind of see it because tying it
off as gohan defeating cell atthe end and goku dead, you know
it kind of leads that gohan'sgoing to take up the mantle and
be the hero of earth, goku'spassed on, you know that whole
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thing.
And then the boo saga comes andit's like okay, you know boost
saga is not my favorite.
I mean, it's okay I guess, butit does kind of read a little
bit as uh, you know it makessense that that cell saga was
going to end it.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
You know, yeah, for me, for me, the episodes after
the cell saga and I and I'veprobably seen most of them I I
haven't seen every singleepisode, um, but it feels like
to me, the episodes after thecell saga just don't yeah.
I mean.
There's the episodes after thecell sawgate, just don't yeah, I
mean there's life, but it'sjust not.
They just don't feel asimportant absolutely.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And then boo and fat boo, and then he's funny but
he's serious, but not, you know,it's like on and on and on, you
know type thing.
Um, it makes sense, man it.
It editors in you know, shonenjump are kind of known for
telling the creator to hey, weneed another arc out of you,
even if your original plan wasmaybe not that A famous example,
(02:51):
I guess.
Besides, this would be Bleach.
He wanted to end it with theeyes in part, which was honestly
great, would have been a greatending.
And they wanted more and he didit.
And in the middle of him doingwhat they wanted, they're like
okay, wrap it up, you got liketwo more months.
He's like, wait, I need likeanother year.
Nope, you know.
So yeah, unfortunately that'sthe kind of happens.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, I mean, I feel like that probably hits every
industry that has to do withtelevision or animation, movies,
anything like that.
Sometimes you're on the like ahurry up and wait, uh, holding
pattern, and then other timesit's like no, finish it now,
like you need to be done and youknow it's funny because I feel
like nowadays there's not manyexamples of that happening
anymore.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
So I think they're kind of leaned out of that.
You know, recent, in the lastmaybe decade or so, because it
seems to be a lot of the seriesare running full stories ending
and they're good, they're notbeing drug on, you know, besides
piece, but I don't know if it'sone.
You know, I don't know if it'sdrug on or not, but you know,
like JJK and and Chainsaw man,they kind of are heading towards
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that.
My Hero just ended it wasn't 20years long, you know had a full
story and it's over.
So it tends to be.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
It seems to be more letting the creator ended on
their terms, which is great yeah, that's always the plus right
letting the creator end it on ontheir own terms.
Um, I can think of a lot oftelevision shows that did not
happen.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
That way and you can definitely tell 10 seasons,
2015s.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
You're like okay yeah , come on, yeah, and then that
works.
Yeah, right, that's the worstthat is the worst.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
As a creator myself, I would be livid if I had
something successful and Iwanted to end it and they're
like two more seasons are out,you know, oh man right, that
would be the worst situation.
Hopefully we'll never be inthat.
We'll never have to see that onthe creator side of it's
probably heartbreaking, right,yeah, yeah.
Well, let's dive in, bro.
So this is uh gonna be anime.
(04:42):
Of course, focus a little bitmore superhero side western uh
version.
I know you're not the biggestsuperhero.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
You know, geek like I am when it comes to that, I am
not, so you're gonna have toreally convince me, because I
and and I'll throw, I'll throw,I'll throw my thoughts in there
a bit later, but um, I I just,yeah, I am not satisfied, I
don't I don't blame you, man,the thing with the, you know,
the, the superheroes was mything, you know, growing up and
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then, of course, getting intoanime.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
But the thing to me that always uh, throws you off
or throw me off is like, withsuperhero stuff, you know, you
can maybe kill batman and bringhim back, but batman's always
going to be around and batman'sgoing to be there, no matter
what.
You can have the best arc everand he's still gonna be around.
You know, at least in anime andmanga they end.
You know this growth and unlessyou're dragon ball, a lot of
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characters die, they stay dead.
You see jujutsu kaisen, for forthat one, they, they go,
they're gone.
Uh, you know, but they can killsuperman and kill batman, but
they're gonna come back.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I mean, we all know that and that's you know I mean
that that does happen in animetoo.
I mean characters come backfrom death all the time, but
it's yeah, but but also,characters die all the time and
you're, like you know superman'sfrom the 1930s, bro, like you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
like, how are you still around in 2025?
You know, and of course youknow every what decade they do
the universal reboots right.
They tend to do those and kindof restart in a way and the
characters are always whatmid-30s to 40 in that range,
somewhere forever.
But they do have some epicmythical archetypes and stories.
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I mean Superman, of course,from another planet, fights for
justice is the ideal of whathumanity should hope for.
You know that whole fun thing.
It doesn't really get old, buthow do you keep telling stories
with the same character and makeit fresh?
But they are doing it.
I mean it's still going right,it's still strong.
I know movies have helped,obviously to keep, especially
(06:41):
with Marvel, right, endgame andall that really blew it up
through the roof right On someof that stuff.
Yeah, too far.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Right, it gets good.
That's a whole, nother hot take.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Bro, that could be a whole other hot take.
I mean I personally, of course,love the phase all the way up
to Endgame, ended it cool andnow it's still going.
And for me I struggle becauseI'm like and now it's still
going.
And for me I struggle becauseI'm like it's cool to see the
characters and the fights andall that stuff is awesome.
But at a certain point how doyou plan this thing meticulously
up to endgame and then kind ofjust wing it after?
That is what it feels like.
(07:14):
And you can see the box officeman.
I mean that last movie justcame out, captain America, and
it had like a 68% drop off thesecond weekend.
It's not good.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
You know it's not good.
You know it's not good, allright, so let's dive in.
Man, tell me where, uh, wheredoes this thing start?
How did?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
we, you know this madness yeah, right.
So obviously it would start, Iguess, with superman, right, you
know golden age, 1930s, 1940s,you know comics comes out, takes
the world by storm.
They never see anything like it.
You know all that stuff and youknow it's a lot of this stuff.
With superheroes, I meanfantasy, right, it's in the dna.
Larger than life powers, I meanwonder woman's, you know part
(07:53):
god.
You know like there's thesemythical stuff in all these
different characters, uh,stories.
You know, of course, batman,he's a human, he's fighting all
these superhuman he is.
You know that character that hasa terrible background, parents
dead, killed in front of him,wants to become a hero.
You know his grit but he's gotto use his mind.
(08:13):
You know it's just like howmany anime right, where the
hero's character right isterrible, tragic background.
Your boy, sasuke, is a good one, a good one on that.
And then you know what happensafter.
What do they become after that?
And then you know what happensafter.
What do they become after thistraumatic event?
You know they're all touchingon the same.
You know veins, the hero'sjourney, you know what I mean,
type stuff and and you kind ofwatch it.
(08:35):
You know the hero stuff isinteresting because you know
from the 1930s and then the.
You know post-depression, worldwar ii and the darkest time in
human history and all this warand death.
And then they're putting it inthe stories but they want to
uplift people and take them outof, like, the horrific part of
you know their, their real lives, and anime does that right,
(08:57):
manga does that.
They're all.
They all have that, so it'skind of cool to see it.
You know happen and they havethe silver age, which is 50s and
60s, so this is more likesci-fi stuff.
You know um flash green lanternthey start doing justice league
, right.
So you have the team up stuffstart start to.
You know happen and and the.
You know wacky sci-fi, cosmictype stuff.
(09:20):
You know that's really fun.
And then you know 80s and 70swatchmen.
You got dark knight returns.
You get these graphic novelscoming out, so they're starting
to get back to like this dark orgreedy, honestly more human
element, right well, I I thinkthat would have been a
reflection of the time period.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, yeah, the 1950s and 60s were just coming off of
world war ii and then, you know, we immediately kind of jump
into war which heavilyinfluenced.
You know stories like.
Captain America and everything,but I feel like stuff like the
Watchmen, also heavilyinfluenced by you know that time
(09:58):
period of not knowing what wasgoing on and government
oversight.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Oh, absolutely, control right and censorship and
censorship right and all thesethings.
So the stories they starttaking darker turns.
Now, funny enough though, onthe anime side, in you know the
60s, 63, astro boy, tech poweredsuperhero, he's got a heart of
gold, you know, hopeful, that'stheir, their kind of answer to
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the superman character.
That's kind of their firstforay into that type of hero
character, which is interesting.
And you got Speed Racer, actionPack, you got Gatchaman, all
these different things.
They start kind of mirroringeach other in maybe not the
genre of superhero, but theactual story lines themselves,
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the theme of the characters, thetheme of the stories, you know
that kind of stuff.
And then, of course, theexplosion in the 80s with Dragon
Ball right, like boom, thebiggest thing ever, you know 84,
epic battles, power scaling.
You know Goku.
He's I mean, we can all say itright, he's kind of like
Superman comes from anotherplanet, lands on earth, he's
(11:07):
supposed to conquer it but, youknow, ends up becoming its hero,
its protector, right, I mean,they're very parallel, you know
what I mean.
So is.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Do you think that's why dragon ball is often
credited with?
You know, bringing anime stylesuperhero stories to like
mainstream like.
Is that what?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
made it explode because it was yeah because, so
you know, we grew up in that eraright of watching dragon ball z
, and something I didn't knowuntil an adult, you know, later
on in my life was the dubbedgoku like character is not the
actual how he was in theJapanese version, the original
version.
In our version they dubbed allhis lines to be more heroic and
(11:49):
superhero-like.
In the Japanese version he'sjust like I want to fight you,
but whatever.
He's more childlike in that andhe has his pursuit of strength
and wanting to fight for fun.
But that's a very differentthing than I need to save my
friends and save the world andsave this.
Not that Goku didn't want to dothat in the Japanese version of
(12:09):
the original, but his characterarchetype was more super heroic
, I think, in the dubbed version.
So you can kind of see that andthat's probably why.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
honestly, if you want to be real about it, it's
probably why it blew up so heavyhere, because he was a
superhero quote superman typecharacter with the ideals that
superman has or that weresuperior, you know so I, I think
I think one of my major issueswith um superhero western comics
in general is that they alwaysfeel like this altruistic story
(12:45):
right, like they all have thisaltruistic need to save the
world or fix gotham city or youknow it.
Just it all kind of stems to thesame thing, like they're not
all selfless but it's it'spretty damn close to to like
that selfless type of superhero.
And then also the superheroworship that like really bothers
(13:09):
me.
I just I like it's.
It's not my thing, because Idon't feel like people are that
way, which is why I identifybetter with anime when it comes
to that stuff.
Yeah, there are characters likegoku that have a lot of, you
know, superhero like qualities,but, as you said, you know they
might have changed some of hislines, but Goku's overarching
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you know, his overarching likecharacter was let's go fight
some shit because you know whatI mean.
Like because he's the worstparent in all.
He's the worst parent in all ofanime.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
You know his main focus is let's go fight strong
people.
Bro Piccolo's, gohan's dad,right, that's what everyone says
.
It's not basically like.
But that's the thing is likethey share that in a way.
You're right, you know they doshare those, those arcs.
But it is interesting that yousay that because for you, you
know you're not really drawn tothe super stuff.
You know that's not your bigthing.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I mean, yeah, my favorite character is, you know,
wolverine and he's like themost.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I don't give a crap about anybody character in the
world, you know he's very goodat what he does, right, that's
what he says all the time.
We're just murdering, right,but but he is a superhero
technically, so that's that.
You know.
You start seeing the blend oflike the darker lens and the
whole like which is.
So that's what makes it sointeresting, right, cause you
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can have a, you know, you canhave a wolverine character who's
literally murdered, likehundreds of people in his life.
Problem, but even more thanthat.
But he's still a superhero, buthe's like a straight-up
murderer.
And then at the same time, inthe same world, and that's when
it gets fun, you know, is thatyou have the first family
fantastic four, and then youdon't kill people and they're
this.
And then you have the x-menblack ops team, who's, you know,
murky people left and right,like it's.
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It's so interesting becausewhen they all start inhabiting
the same world and then youstart, you know, punisher
obviously is a great example,right, vigilante, he kills, you
know, villains, but the hero'slike, hey, you can't just like
murder people.
He's like, well, I'm gonna doit.
So you know.
So then you get that heroversus hero stuff which in in a
real world if that was, you know, if heroes were real and there
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was someone out there justmarking people.
And then you had the Supermancharacter.
You know they're probably goingto clash.
So it is for me that's like theinteresting thing you know in
the genre is you start gettingthose gray areas, you know,
between the different characters, you know, and stuff like that.
You know.
Now 90s, though you know, forus obviously Dragon Ball Z was
still taking off, pokemon wasreally getting big, and then you
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know X-Men.
The animated series came out,which is very anime-like if you
watch the original one and itkind of blows up.
I mean that was a lot of ourchildhood, was that stuff?
And you know huge.
You know violent action,colorful, you know that whole
thing.
You know violent action,colorful, you know that whole
thing, you know.
And anime's more adult, moreaction oriented, more serious
tones.
I mean, yeah, we were jokingabout dragon ball z, but
characters die, you know, I meanthey.
You get to see them die.
(16:01):
Whether they get wish backlater is one thing.
It's still traumatic to seegoku take a freaking blast to
the chest and he's dead, likeyou know, fighting rad.
It's like that's kind of nutsin a, in a quote cartoon anime
kids show thing that you know,introduced us to that kind of
fun stuff.
You know the stakes yeah, no,absolutely.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
You're right there, I um.
For me, the 90s is wherecharacters in, you know, the
western comic side start to geta little bit more interesting.
Um, you know, wolverine's storygets to starts to get fleshed
out, deadpool starts to getfleshed out, and they're not
your typical hero, they're youranti-hero.
That they care about themselvesand I, I don't know that that's
(16:40):
.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
That's kind of where more I lean towards yeah, I mean
, but they're more fun, right,like, and they're not Mr Golden
Boy, they're like Wolverinedrinks, he's a drunk, he smokes
cigars.
He literally has metal knives,that claws that come out of his
body, that you know whether heputs the glove on and you can't
see it.
It's ripping through his skin.
(17:01):
I mean, every time he pops theclaws out.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Like yeah he's a terrible role model?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Absolutely, bro, but he is a short king though,
though I gotta give him that.
Yeah, I know he is.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
He's a little, um.
Yeah well, some of the newercomics, didn't they start
drawing him taller because ofhugh jackman, I mean?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
hugh jackman is great as wolverine.
But the height thing, yeahwhich.
There is a joke in the in thelast deadpool wolverine movie
about that.
That's really funny.
You know, the, the short, theshort, but comic, accurate, size
wolverine, absolutely.
Now, I will say on the westerncartoon front.
I don't know if you everwatched batman beyond.
(17:40):
I hope you have because I did.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
I mean, that was because you were right.
That was a huge part of ourchildhood of course, yeah, and
that was so.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Anime like very akira , future gotham and it's sleek
and it's dude, it's so animeinspired like I don't know why
they haven't done a new one,just straight anime version, you
know it would kill, especiallynow.
So yeah, so that was like thatwas 99, you know.
So right around 2000, that kindof.
I mean, you remember I wasblown up, that was a big deal
(18:09):
yeah, that show that was great.
Yeah, it was.
It's really fun and you know,futuristic batman's old.
There's a young, young buckcoming on in.
You know, I'll show you how tobe batman, you know that kind of
thing.
It was fun, it was awesome towatch, you know.
Yeah, now, as you know, theinternet and different things
started and yeah, you know, kidswould say it too oh, goku would
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beat Superman.
We always would hear that stuff, or no, superman would beat
Goku.
Well, internet takes off andthose types of debates, really
the power scaling thing.
There's a whole community forthat nowadays.
Yeah, it's insane dude, it'sinsane man and spiraled.
Those are conversations I don'treally have time for.
I never jump in them, butthey're interesting to see.
You know like, yeah, and yousee like raditz would demolish
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superman and there's peoplearguing about it, but it keeps
the characters alive and itkeeps the you know that thing
going and going, going.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, a discussion about you know who would win.
That I mean that that keepsthat keeps the story going long
after it's over.
I mean, it's it just it.
That's like a that's a no-winsituation for me, because it
doesn't matter.
You could fire off the bestcharacter that could definitely
win and you're gonna find someobscure reference that some
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asshole drops into the redditthread and he's like but
remember that one time there wasthat one thing that got
retconned and then, like dude,shut up.
I don't care, man, what are youtalking about?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
but that keeps.
You know, it's weird, butthat's a big part of like
chatter.
I guess you'd say, but no, itis, you know, not that I.
And of course anime versusanime is always a thing.
You know, yeah, that's, that'slike the biggest thing.
But superheroes get thrown in.
I see a lot of like homelander,omni-man, superman talk, you
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know, from all the differentstuff.
That kind of stuff, yeah, andit's, it's fun to you know, it's
cool to see it.
Uh, there's some people who dolike actual fan animations of
that stuff now which is like socool, and that's a thing.
You know, people will justanimate something that they want
to see, you know, or like agroup of friends or something
yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
So with, you know, the stories kind of blending.
So not stories, but the um,like the genres kind of touch.
Occasionally now they reach outand touch somebody.
Um, you know, with thathappening more and more often,
do you think we could ever seesomething like a?
Um, what am I trying to sayhere?
Like a full-blown justiceleague, but anime style.
(20:36):
And I don't mean justice leaguedrawn in animation style.
What I mean is like a justiceleague story, an original
justice league story.
That's not justice league.
It's completely its own thingin an anime, not yeah, so right,
funny enough, man.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I think it was like 2014, it was in the 2010s.
Sometime in the 2010s they didanime version, animated x-men,
which is actually was a reallycool show and it was pretty
awesome.
They did a wolverine version.
Um, I know there's some thingswhere they'll do and if I'm
trying, I'm trying to remember,but I think the one punch man
artist did did a Spider-Manstory set in Japan.
(21:14):
So there's a lot ofcross-pollinating stuff
happening.
I'm like 99% sure there's aDeadpool one as well.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
There's definitely a Wolverine story in Japan.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, there's tons of , and I think that's just the
medium.
Because you know the comics,you got to think of it too in
this way.
The comic medium as far assales is, not to be rude, but
kind of a joke, compared tomanga sales, like manga sells a
lot of copies, oh yeah, and theWestern comics, which is so
(21:46):
strange.
I never understood it.
The movies make billions butthey don't create comic book
readers, which is strange.
And on the flip side, you knowDemon Slayer, there is a giant
successful anime and they'reparlaying that into movies where
the end of the show will be inmovie form and they're making
millions upon millions in themovies.
(22:07):
And it started from a manga toan anime.
So it's like they don't workthat way.
For us over here for our comics, it doesn't make.
You know, endgame is the most Ithink still the most made the
most money out of any movie ever, but it didn't like make
Avengers comics sell billions ofcopies or millions of copies
(22:32):
millions copies.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Well, so I think that has to do with the um, just the
culture in general, which youknow.
Anime anime originally wasmeant to be, you know, a vehicle
that drove you towards thelight novel or the manga in the
first place, right?
So I I think part of theindustry has never lost that.
You know that drive to push youthe other type of media where
you know the full story is told.
We are seeing more and moreanime that get done and told to
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completion of the story.
But I feel like you know, withAmericans or in, you know,
western society, when we make amovie, yeah, when we make a
superhero movie, it's to driveyou to the movie theater and we
don't give a crap about any ofthe other media to the movie
theater.
And we don't give a crap aboutany of the other media because
obviously you know, as you cansee in any a lot, most of the
marvel movies, you know they,they bastardize the story,
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change stuff, and you know everymedia is going to change stuff
when you put it into to eitheranimation or film.
Once it goes, you know, on thescreen some of that's going to
change and I get that it has to,but they outright ignore just
so much stuff that you know onthe screen some of that's going
to change and I get that it hasto.
But they outright ignore justso much stuff that you know the
comic lovers actually love aboutthe stories.
For instance, you knowWolverine's supposed to be a
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short dude, you know like that'snot like integral to his
character.
Yet, right, he's not supposed tobe six foot four, like he's
supposed to be five foot four.
Um, you know, that's's that'slike integral to the character,
and so I think that's the maindifference, is because to me it
feels different because of thatdrive, the cultural differences
and how they preserve the storyin the media.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah, no, I definitely see it.
It's just I always you knowwhat.
If you want to be actuallyhonest, if I'm really really
thinking part of probably theproblem besides, just culture
wise, if you want to watch or,let's say, read one piece, good
luck, because you got a lot todo.
But you can start at one andkeep start going In Western
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comics.
If you want to read aSpider-Man comic, where the hell
do you start at?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Right, how many?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
universes are they up to now?
Well, and how many retcons?
And you don't start at onebecause they've already rebooted
that nine times.
And so I think the barrier ofentry is part of the big problem
and I think that's why,originally, the ultimate
universe of Marvel was a popularthing while it was going,
because it was technically itsown universe, but it started at
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one and you could jump on andget these characters and there
were different versions likesome of their personalities.
Stuff were different.
It was more grounded in realitythat that world, that I guess,
realm.
But you could do that, youcould start at it where now it's
like it's so difficult to knowwhere to begin and I love comics
and even I'm like, well, if Iwant to read this, what do I
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start at?
You know it's hard to know.
It's, it's hard to like, decideor figure out, because one arc
may be great and one arc won't.
And I think, and personally forme, I mean, manga gets better as
you read it because of the artgets tighter and, you know, more
refined, but it still looksthis the characters in comics
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you'll have an art team on a arcfor 10 issues and it's stunning
artwork.
And then the next arc startsand they fired everybody and
moved to someone else and thecharacters look terrible or
nothing like you like, andyou're like why don't we want to
read this?
For me, that's a big thing.
That's why I don't read likeongoing things, because I don't
want to read something where theart is like beautiful and
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really artwork, and then thenext one it's like rushed and
not as good and you're like itpulls you out, man, and I think
that's just how it's done here,for whatever reason.
But I think that's part of whyyou don't see people jumping on
board.
They don't know where to startand then they kind of get lost
and just say this is too muchyou know so, would you say.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Would you say maybe, and knowing that we know you
know nothing about the actual,uh, anime and manga industry?
Well, not a whole lot, wouldyou say that, um, you know, the
main difference in how it feelsis because western comics is
more money driven than oh yes oh, you know, animation and manga,
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yeah, and I think part of thatis just maybe Western ideals or
ideas.
I don't know Western society.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Western society, and I think, well, here's a good
example, right, so Invincible.
Okay, that came out a long timeago.
It's being animated by Amazon.
I wish the animation was alittle bit better.
It's still good.
It's violent, it's an adultsuperhero comic world.
It does share a lot with, uh,dragon ball in the sense of, you
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know, the superman race ofpeople.
They're not crypto andcryptonians, but they conquer
planets like saiyans.
They get stronger the more theyget injured.
You know they're literallysaiyans I mean literally and
that, though, you could buyissue one and read the entire
thing.
It's just it's long, but it's acontained story.
Now that anime, quote,animation, cartoon, whatever you
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want to call it is coming out,you know, on amazon or on season
three, and I'm sure that'sprobably getting people to read
it, and I think it's justbecause the storyline is really
good, it's action oriented, it'svery violent, um, and you can
start at one if you want andread the whole thing right now
and I bet that Invincibles.
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It's been over for years now,but I bet their comic sales are
starting to blow up because ofthe Amazon show.
You know, I feel like it'sprobably a good thing and it has
anime pacing.
You could tell that it was madewith people who like that stuff
, because the way it's pacedit's very much like an anime and
it works.
I mean, it's a very popularshow, you know.
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It's getting tons and tons andtons of ratings.
So, it's, in its end, just likeour favorite.
I don't know if you've everseen Invincible, but it's cool.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
No, I haven't.
I was about to say I'm going tohave to check it out Maybe.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah, I think you'd like it.
I mean it's superhero but it'spretty dark.
It gets really dark and there'ssome good themes in it and the
action's brutal, like reallybrutal, and yeah, it's fun.
I mean, you know, and all thiskind of anime overlap, slash,
superhero stuff really, in myopinion, culminates in my hero
academia.
I mean, I know there's a fewsuperhero anime, but that's
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really probably the, you know,the king of the mountain.
On that, which I know youhaven't started yet, I don't
think.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
No, no, I haven't Sorry, so you know if I was
going to ask.
You know, where do you seeanime and superhero comics going
Like?
Do you see a more of a blend?
But with we covered this in arealm rumor a few weeks ago um,
you know where the?
Was it the head of?
Was it the head of country role, where he said, um, I see anime
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staying a fully Japanese thing.
Do you think American comicswill ever, you know, relinquish
the rights to draw to ananimation studio in Japan?
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I mean, if they were smart they would, because you
can, you got to look at it likethis and there are.
I think there are some that'shappened.
I know the X-Men one was, I'mpretty sure that was an anime
studio, a Japanese studio, butthere was a Batman Ninja which
was terrible.
But they're trying to crashinto that market over there.
You know they are, which theyshould.
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Their characters would probablytranslate and I know certain
ones are popular over there andI think if they want to crash
into that market it would needto be very deliberate, as in,
you know, either launch, launcha, uh, I guess, a reality
universe, whatever you want tocall them where they're kind of
restarting from one again andlaunch it and do it with top
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tier and animes to likesomething like so, like a.
You know the good, the goodstudios.
You need the good studios.
You could do it.
It would probably blow up andI'm sure they would.
They would love it.
There'd be no reason theywouldn't like it.
They have all the shonencharacter types, you know I
think it would be more a matterof.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I think it would be more a matter of them not
wanting to relinquish creativecontrol well, if that's the case
, then you got more money thangod.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Disney your own marvel open an anime studio.
What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
like you got them I don't think that'll work either.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I don't think it'll work either, but they, they
could try.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I mean, yeah, you know, yeah, no, they could
definitely try, but I I thinkthey're very, um, I think,
animation, anime, very secular,you know, I feel like it would
end up being one of those thingswhere they're kind of
ostracized and it tanks.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I mean, who's doing Castlevania and the Devil May
Cry?
I don't.
Are they anime studios?
Are they Korean ones?
Because those are gameproperties that are being
animated and they're verypopular.
They're pretty big.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, I actually don't know, so I won't comment
on that.
I know that the original uhdevil may cry.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Was an anime studio yeah, because there's a new one
about it was dropped soon, yeahyeah, but there's a new one
about to drop so I mean theycould try.
I don't know, maybe it wouldmaybe fall flat.
But hey, go for it, I would.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I would like to just see them say hey, we want to
produce this story and give itto an anime studio and just
watch it happen.
Like just give them the control.
That's what I would want to say.
Wolverine or hell, evenspider-man, anything really just
something pick a superherostory.
Pick a, pick a superhero storyand say develop this arc through
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this arc and make it your way.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Here's the material yeah, I think it.
I think that it would dude.
You know the culture now world,I mean anime is worldwide.
You know it's, it's so big.
Why wouldn't you tap into thatto grow your brand awareness of
spider-man or wolverine?
Well, we, can hope man, we canonly hope.
Well, maybe they'll hear thisand they'll be like that's a
great idea.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
And they'll do it.
Yeah, but yeah, I am open toconsult.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Right, yeah, this is our idea.
You're not stealing at Disney,don't you dare, right?
But I think you're right.
I think you know fully animestyle.
You know Justice League,avengers.
I think they've tried.
There's think they've tried.
There's some show I didn'twatch it, it's a kid show where
it's anime, world anime, andthen the kid has an iron man
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figure or something and itcreates the character in the
real life.
So I think they're trying to doit in in different ways.
I don't think they've tapped itthe right way, probably to
really blow up, um, but hey, youknow, these superheroes are not
going to go nowhere and withthe success of my hero, mean,
obviously Japan loves the ideaof superhero characters.
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I mean, all Might is literallyCaptain America.
I mean he's literally trainedin America, like that's this
whole character.
He's the coolest character inthe whole damn thing.
You know one of your mentorcharacters, you know.
So it's like it's there,they're tapping into it.
What are we doing, you know?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
let's figure it out.
Yeah, I feel like they just tapinto it differently.
You know, and I kind of alreadysaid this, but it's like I
don't know the, the charactersaren't selfless.
You know, even in MHA theythey're not like just these
Superman selfless characters allthe time, whereas like comics
are predominantly that they just, I don't know it feels, it just
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doesn't feel as real to me asas the, the animated or the
anime versions do, I don't know.
And then, and then there's justthe hero worship.
Like I don't get it.
I think that happens too muchhere.
I mean, people name theirbabies after these characters
and I'm like bro, what are youdoing?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
yeah, yeah, named her , named her son, bruce, like you
know what happened to theparents?
Right, I get it, but I I'm sureit's like that there, man, with
anime, you know manga anime,right?
Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Maybe, not, maybe we're the only ones naming
arcade goku right, no, I, I feellike it's purely a, a western
yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.
Maybe I'll get your love ofsuperheroes.
When you finally watch my hero,you'll be like you know what?
This is actually pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
I like it yeah, but I don't think it.
But I, I, so I started my heroum I I don't think it'll change
my opinion on superhero storieslike the actual, you know,
western comics.
I don't think it's gonna changemy opinion.
Um, I'm only on episode three,though, so don't know it's gonna
be like this.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
We'll see what happens.
You're gonna be like damn, theydid it better than us too,
that's good right, that's kindof what I think is gonna happen
yeah it's a great story.
It's one of my favorite series.
Man, for sure, I'm trying toalmost get all the characters
from it behind me.
But yeah, you'll, uh, I thinkyou'll really like the endeavor
character, verythree-dimensional, very
multifaceted.
Yeah, you'll be interested.
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I want your take on thateventually for sure.
Yeah, for sure.
Do you got a hot take this week, bro, or what?
What?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
do we?
What do we got this week?
I mean, we've kind of beendiscussing it off and on here,
so what?
The hot take is, uh, what doyou prefer?
Anime or, like westernsuperhero comics?
Oh man, I know, I know youranswer.
You know what I'll even throwin another caveat anime slash
manga versus western superherocomics and cartoons and movies.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Throw the movies in.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
You might as well, man throw it all, I mean you can
throw the movies in, so for methat just makes it go more
negative, right, right.
Well, I know you're gonna pick.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Um, I would say honestly, I love the superhero
stuff so much, but anime is justit's bigger in in my life than
the superhero stuff is.
I mean, I love supers but yeah,I tend to consume more anime
content than than the superherostuff.
I mean, I've probably seenevery marvel movie there are.
Some of them are great, someare whatever, but I'm not.
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I don't get the hype that Iused to get.
Maybe it's just too much ofthem, you know, or maybe it's
disappointing.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
I am hyped for super I haven't seen yeah, I haven't
seen a.
I haven't seen a marvel moviepast Endgame, the only one I
would recommend is the lastSpider-Man.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
That was great and they've had multiple options
Does Spider-Man count?
Speaker 1 (36:07):
He counts, does Spider-Man count?
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, he counts, he's a Marvel, I mean yeah, I guess
Okay.
Did you see the?
Speaker 1 (36:13):
last one, I think.
So, dude, I don't know.
I'd have to go ask my son son.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I don't remember that was great, but yeah, a lot of
the, a lot of them have probablybeen good.
They have not been that good.
So yeah, I don't blame him.
Well, you know your answer.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Go ahead, just say it officially you already know,
anime slash manga, for thelimited manga that I do read,
which right uh, for thelisteners was manga read to
completion, was fairy tale andum seven deadly sins.
So it's not that I haven'tstarted others, and don't you
know, I do want to start others,it's just those are the only
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two I've officially read.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Too many light novels bro.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
I yeah light novels?
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I mean, dude, I don't know.
Give me the words, bro, I likea lot of words.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah, you read super fast.
So yeah, it makes sense I do,but honestly it it makes sense,
I do.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
But honestly, it's not that I, just when I'm going
to sit down and read, I justdedicate time to sitting down
and read.
So I, like I, will devotechunks of time, huge chunks of
time, to sit down and read.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Yeah, that's my goal here this year is to get a book
under my, under my wing there onreading.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yeah, I'll come make you read something Deal, all
right.
You read something, deal, allright.
Well, next week's topic, um,we're gonna be discussing
jordan's writing journey fromweb comics to novels I'm nervous
.
I don't know about this, yeah,so I hope everybody will join us
next week for that absolutely,guys, well, appreciate you
listening and uh, yeah, keeprocking yeah, have a great night
(37:37):
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Thanks for jumping into therealm with us today.
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Speaker 2 (37:47):
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Welcome to Realm Jumpers.
I'm Andrew and this is myco-host, jordan.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hey everyone.
We're here to dive into theworlds of fantasy and anime,
bringing you epic stories andunforgettable adventures.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
We'll be talking world building, unforgettable
villains and everything thatmakes these genres legendary.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
So let's jump into the realm.
What's up, buddy?
How are you?
I'm doing all right manSurviving.
Yeah fighting off a little ofthe seasonal ick huh.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yeah, it's the theme of the week Surviving High
school and the dead style hey,that zombie virus?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
right, yeah, it's the zombie virus.
Got me, bro, they got you, dude, well.
Well, this is a little bit of afun episode, I guess.
Right, evolution of superherofantasy and, uh, anime overlap.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
it's kind of interesting yeah, man, from
caped crusaders leading off thecomic pages to, uh, the
high-flying anime heroes, hit mewith uh what do we got?
Well?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
you know we gotta, you know, tie that little thread
there, superman to goku, youknow how do they collide that
kind of fun stuff.
But I think you got some realmrumors for us real quick, yeah
man?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
um, I'm excited to dive into the topic.
But, yeah, the realm rumor fortonight.
Um so this was just confirmed acouple of days ago and I
thought you would be reallyinterested in this, okay, um, so
it was confirmed that toriyamaofficially wanted to end dragon
ball z at the Cell Saga and hewas kind of pressured, slash,
(01:27):
forced, into continuing that on.
How do you feel about?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
that, brother, good old editors, right Like we need
another three years out of you,yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
How do you feel?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
about that.
Cell Saga is like the kind ofthe pinnacle of the story.
You know it's definitely, youknow, android into Cell S cell
saga was amazing and you couldkind of see it because tying it
off as gohan defeating cell atthe end and goku dead, you know
it kind of leads that gohan'sgoing to take up the mantle and
be the hero of earth, goku'spassed on, you know that whole
(01:58):
thing.
And then the boo saga comes andit's like okay, you know boost
saga is not my favorite.
I mean, it's okay I guess, butit does kind of read a little
bit as uh, you know it makessense that that cell saga was
going to end it.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
You know, yeah, for me, for me, the episodes after
the cell saga and I and I'veprobably seen most of them I I
haven't seen every singleepisode, um, but it feels like
to me, the episodes after thecell saga just don't yeah.
I mean.
There's the episodes after thecell sawgate, just don't yeah, I
mean there's life, but it'sjust not.
They just don't feel asimportant absolutely.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And then boo and fat boo, and then he's funny but
he's serious, but not, you know,it's like on and on and on, you
know type thing.
Um, it makes sense, man it.
It editors in you know, shonenjump are kind of known for
telling the creator to hey, weneed another arc out of you,
even if your original plan wasmaybe not that A famous example,
(02:51):
I guess.
Besides, this would be Bleach.
He wanted to end it with theeyes in part, which was honestly
great, would have been a greatending.
And they wanted more and he didit.
And in the middle of him doingwhat they wanted, they're like
okay, wrap it up, you got liketwo more months.
He's like, wait, I need likeanother year.
Nope, you know.
So yeah, unfortunately that'sthe kind of happens.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, I mean, I feel like that probably hits every
industry that has to do withtelevision or animation, movies,
anything like that.
Sometimes you're on the like ahurry up and wait, uh, holding
pattern, and then other timesit's like no, finish it now,
like you need to be done and youknow it's funny because I feel
like nowadays there's not manyexamples of that happening
anymore.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
So I think they're kind of leaned out of that.
You know, recent, in the lastmaybe decade or so, because it
seems to be a lot of the seriesare running full stories ending
and they're good, they're notbeing drug on, you know, besides
piece, but I don't know if it'sone.
You know, I don't know if it'sdrug on or not, but you know,
like JJK and and Chainsaw man,they kind of are heading towards
(03:51):
that.
My Hero just ended it wasn't 20years long, you know had a full
story and it's over.
So it tends to be.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
It seems to be more letting the creator ended on
their terms, which is great yeah, that's always the plus right
letting the creator end it on ontheir own terms.
Um, I can think of a lot oftelevision shows that did not
happen.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
That way and you can definitely tell 10 seasons,
2015s.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
You're like okay yeah , come on, yeah, and then that
works.
Yeah, right, that's the worstthat is the worst.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
As a creator myself, I would be livid if I had
something successful and Iwanted to end it and they're
like two more seasons are out,you know, oh man right, that
would be the worst situation.
Hopefully we'll never be inthat.
We'll never have to see that onthe creator side of it's
probably heartbreaking, right,yeah, yeah.
Well, let's dive in, bro.
So this is uh gonna be anime.
(04:42):
Of course, focus a little bitmore superhero side western uh
version.
I know you're not the biggestsuperhero.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
You know, geek like I am when it comes to that, I am
not, so you're gonna have toreally convince me, because I
and and I'll throw, I'll throw,I'll throw my thoughts in there
a bit later, but um, I I just,yeah, I am not satisfied, I
don't I don't blame you, man,the thing with the, you know,
the, the superheroes was mything, you know, growing up and
(05:08):
then, of course, getting intoanime.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
But the thing to me that always uh, throws you off
or throw me off is like, withsuperhero stuff, you know, you
can maybe kill batman and bringhim back, but batman's always
going to be around and batman'sgoing to be there, no matter
what.
You can have the best arc everand he's still gonna be around.
You know, at least in anime andmanga they end.
You know this growth and unlessyou're dragon ball, a lot of
(05:31):
characters die, they stay dead.
You see jujutsu kaisen, for forthat one, they, they go,
they're gone.
Uh, you know, but they can killsuperman and kill batman, but
they're gonna come back.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I mean, we all know that and that's you know I mean
that that does happen in animetoo.
I mean characters come backfrom death all the time, but
it's yeah, but but also,characters die all the time and
you're, like you know superman'sfrom the 1930s, bro, like you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
like, how are you still around in 2025?
You know, and of course youknow every what decade they do
the universal reboots right.
They tend to do those and kindof restart in a way and the
characters are always whatmid-30s to 40 in that range,
somewhere forever.
But they do have some epicmythical archetypes and stories.
(06:20):
I mean Superman, of course,from another planet, fights for
justice is the ideal of whathumanity should hope for.
You know that whole fun thing.
It doesn't really get old, buthow do you keep telling stories
with the same character and makeit fresh?
But they are doing it.
I mean it's still going right,it's still strong.
I know movies have helped,obviously to keep, especially
(06:41):
with Marvel, right, endgame andall that really blew it up
through the roof right On someof that stuff.
Yeah, too far.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Right, it gets good.
That's a whole, nother hot take.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Bro, that could be a whole other hot take.
I mean I personally, of course,love the phase all the way up
to Endgame, ended it cool andnow it's still going.
And for me I struggle becauseI'm like and now it's still
going.
And for me I struggle becauseI'm like it's cool to see the
characters and the fights andall that stuff is awesome.
But at a certain point how doyou plan this thing meticulously
up to endgame and then kind ofjust wing it after?
That is what it feels like.
(07:14):
And you can see the box officeman.
I mean that last movie justcame out, captain America, and
it had like a 68% drop off thesecond weekend.
It's not good.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
You know it's not good.
You know it's not good, allright, so let's dive in.
Man, tell me where, uh, wheredoes this thing start?
How did?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
we, you know this madness yeah, right.
So obviously it would start, Iguess, with superman, right, you
know golden age, 1930s, 1940s,you know comics comes out, takes
the world by storm.
They never see anything like it.
You know all that stuff and youknow it's a lot of this stuff.
With superheroes, I meanfantasy, right, it's in the dna.
Larger than life powers, I meanwonder woman's, you know part
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god.
You know like there's thesemythical stuff in all these
different characters, uh,stories.
You know, of course, batman,he's a human, he's fighting all
these superhuman he is.
You know that character that hasa terrible background, parents
dead, killed in front of him,wants to become a hero.
You know his grit but he's gotto use his mind.
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You know it's just like howmany anime right, where the
hero's character right isterrible, tragic background.
Your boy, sasuke, is a good one, a good one on that.
And then you know what happensafter.
What do they become after that?
And then you know what happensafter.
What do they become after thistraumatic event?
You know they're all touchingon the same.
You know veins, the hero'sjourney, you know what I mean,
type stuff and and you kind ofwatch it.
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You know the hero stuff isinteresting because you know
from the 1930s and then the.
You know post-depression, worldwar ii and the darkest time in
human history and all this warand death.
And then they're putting it inthe stories but they want to
uplift people and take them outof, like, the horrific part of
you know their, their real lives, and anime does that right,
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manga does that.
They're all.
They all have that, so it'skind of cool to see it.
You know happen and they havethe silver age, which is 50s and
60s, so this is more likesci-fi stuff.
You know um flash green lanternthey start doing justice league
, right.
So you have the team up stuffstart start to.
You know happen and and the.
You know wacky sci-fi, cosmictype stuff.
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You know that's really fun.
And then you know 80s and 70swatchmen.
You got dark knight returns.
You get these graphic novelscoming out, so they're starting
to get back to like this dark orgreedy, honestly more human
element, right well, I I thinkthat would have been a
reflection of the time period.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, yeah, the 1950s and 60s were just coming off of
world war ii and then, you know, we immediately kind of jump
into war which heavilyinfluenced.
You know stories like.
Captain America and everything,but I feel like stuff like the
Watchmen, also heavilyinfluenced by you know that time
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period of not knowing what wasgoing on and government
oversight.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Oh, absolutely, control right and censorship and
censorship right and all thesethings.
So the stories they starttaking darker turns.
Now, funny enough though, onthe anime side, in you know the
60s, 63, astro boy, tech poweredsuperhero, he's got a heart of
gold, you know, hopeful, that'stheir, their kind of answer to
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the superman character.
That's kind of their firstforay into that type of hero
character, which is interesting.
And you got Speed Racer, actionPack, you got Gatchaman, all
these different things.
They start kind of mirroringeach other in maybe not the
genre of superhero, but theactual story lines themselves,
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the theme of the characters, thetheme of the stories, you know
that kind of stuff.
And then, of course, theexplosion in the 80s with Dragon
Ball right, like boom, thebiggest thing ever, you know 84,
epic battles, power scaling.
You know Goku.
He's I mean, we can all say itright, he's kind of like
Superman comes from anotherplanet, lands on earth, he's
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supposed to conquer it but, youknow, ends up becoming its hero,
its protector, right, I mean,they're very parallel, you know
what I mean.
So is.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Do you think that's why dragon ball is often
credited with?
You know, bringing anime stylesuperhero stories to like
mainstream like.
Is that what?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
made it explode because it was yeah because, so
you know, we grew up in that eraright of watching dragon ball z
, and something I didn't knowuntil an adult, you know, later
on in my life was the dubbedgoku like character is not the
actual how he was in theJapanese version, the original
version.
In our version they dubbed allhis lines to be more heroic and
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superhero-like.
In the Japanese version he'sjust like I want to fight you,
but whatever.
He's more childlike in that andhe has his pursuit of strength
and wanting to fight for fun.
But that's a very differentthing than I need to save my
friends and save the world andsave this.
Not that Goku didn't want to dothat in the Japanese version of
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the original, but his characterarchetype was more super heroic
, I think, in the dubbed version.
So you can kind of see that andthat's probably why.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
honestly, if you want to be real about it, it's
probably why it blew up so heavyhere, because he was a
superhero quote superman typecharacter with the ideals that
superman has or that weresuperior, you know so I, I think
I think one of my major issueswith um superhero western comics
in general is that they alwaysfeel like this altruistic story
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right, like they all have thisaltruistic need to save the
world or fix gotham city or youknow it.
Just it all kind of stems to thesame thing, like they're not
all selfless but it's it'spretty damn close to to like
that selfless type of superhero.
And then also the superheroworship that like really bothers
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me.
I just I like it's.
It's not my thing, because Idon't feel like people are that
way, which is why I identifybetter with anime when it comes
to that stuff.
Yeah, there are characters likegoku that have a lot of, you
know, superhero like qualities,but, as you said, you know they
might have changed some of hislines, but Goku's overarching
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you know, his overarching likecharacter was let's go fight
some shit because you know whatI mean.
Like because he's the worstparent in all.
He's the worst parent in all ofanime.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
You know his main focus is let's go fight strong
people.
Bro Piccolo's, gohan's dad,right, that's what everyone says
.
It's not basically like.
But that's the thing is likethey share that in a way.
You're right, you know they doshare those, those arcs.
But it is interesting that yousay that because for you, you
know you're not really drawn tothe super stuff.
You know that's not your bigthing.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I mean, yeah, my favorite character is, you know,
wolverine and he's like themost.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I don't give a crap about anybody character in the
world, you know he's very goodat what he does, right, that's
what he says all the time.
We're just murdering, right,but but he is a superhero
technically, so that's that.
You know.
You start seeing the blend oflike the darker lens and the
whole like which is.
So that's what makes it sointeresting, right, cause you
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can have a, you know, you canhave a wolverine character who's
literally murdered, likehundreds of people in his life.
Problem, but even more thanthat.
But he's still a superhero, buthe's like a straight-up
murderer.
And then at the same time, inthe same world, and that's when
it gets fun, you know, is thatyou have the first family
fantastic four, and then youdon't kill people and they're
this.
And then you have the x-menblack ops team, who's, you know,
murky people left and right,like it's.
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It's so interesting becausewhen they all start inhabiting
the same world and then youstart, you know, punisher
obviously is a great example,right, vigilante, he kills, you
know, villains, but the hero'slike, hey, you can't just like
murder people.
He's like, well, I'm gonna doit.
So you know.
So then you get that heroversus hero stuff which in in a
real world if that was, you know, if heroes were real and there
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was someone out there justmarking people.
And then you had the Supermancharacter.
You know they're probably goingto clash.
So it is for me that's like theinteresting thing you know in
the genre is you start gettingthose gray areas, you know,
between the different characters, you know, and stuff like that.
You know.
Now 90s, though you know, forus obviously Dragon Ball Z was
still taking off, pokemon wasreally getting big, and then you
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know X-Men.
The animated series came out,which is very anime-like if you
watch the original one and itkind of blows up.
I mean that was a lot of ourchildhood, was that stuff?
And you know huge.
You know violent action,colorful, you know that whole
thing.
You know violent action,colorful, you know that whole
thing, you know.
And anime's more adult, moreaction oriented, more serious
tones.
I mean, yeah, we were jokingabout dragon ball z, but
characters die, you know, I meanthey.
You get to see them die.
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Whether they get wish backlater is one thing.
It's still traumatic to seegoku take a freaking blast to
the chest and he's dead, likeyou know, fighting rad.
It's like that's kind of nutsin a, in a quote cartoon anime
kids show thing that you know,introduced us to that kind of
fun stuff.
You know the stakes yeah, no,absolutely.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
You're right there, I um.
For me, the 90s is wherecharacters in, you know, the
western comic side start to geta little bit more interesting.
Um, you know, wolverine's storygets to starts to get fleshed
out, deadpool starts to getfleshed out, and they're not
your typical hero, they're youranti-hero.
That they care about themselvesand I, I don't know that that's
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.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
That's kind of where more I lean towards yeah, I mean
, but they're more fun, right,like, and they're not Mr Golden
Boy, they're like Wolverinedrinks, he's a drunk, he smokes
cigars.
He literally has metal knives,that claws that come out of his
body, that you know whether heputs the glove on and you can't
see it.
It's ripping through his skin.
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I mean, every time he pops theclaws out.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Like yeah he's a terrible role model?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Absolutely, bro, but he is a short king though,
though I gotta give him that.
Yeah, I know he is.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
He's a little, um.
Yeah well, some of the newercomics, didn't they start
drawing him taller because ofhugh jackman, I mean?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
hugh jackman is great as wolverine.
But the height thing, yeahwhich.
There is a joke in the in thelast deadpool wolverine movie
about that.
That's really funny.
You know, the, the short, theshort, but comic, accurate, size
wolverine, absolutely.
Now, I will say on the westerncartoon front.
I don't know if you everwatched batman beyond.
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I hope you have because I did.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
I mean, that was because you were right.
That was a huge part of ourchildhood of course, yeah, and
that was so.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Anime like very akira , future gotham and it's sleek
and it's dude, it's so animeinspired like I don't know why
they haven't done a new one,just straight anime version, you
know it would kill, especiallynow.
So yeah, so that was like thatwas 99, you know.
So right around 2000, that kindof.
I mean, you remember I wasblown up, that was a big deal
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yeah, that show that was great.
Yeah, it was.
It's really fun and you know,futuristic batman's old.
There's a young, young buckcoming on in.
You know, I'll show you how tobe batman, you know that kind of
thing.
It was fun, it was awesome towatch, you know.
Yeah, now, as you know, theinternet and different things
started and yeah, you know, kidswould say it too oh, goku would
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beat Superman.
We always would hear that stuff, or no, superman would beat
Goku.
Well, internet takes off andthose types of debates, really
the power scaling thing.
There's a whole community forthat nowadays.
Yeah, it's insane dude, it'sinsane man and spiraled.
Those are conversations I don'treally have time for.
I never jump in them, butthey're interesting to see.
You know like, yeah, and yousee like raditz would demolish
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superman and there's peoplearguing about it, but it keeps
the characters alive and itkeeps the you know that thing
going and going, going.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, a discussion about you know who would win.
That I mean that that keepsthat keeps the story going long
after it's over.
I mean, it's it just it.
That's like a that's a no-winsituation for me, because it
doesn't matter.
You could fire off the bestcharacter that could definitely
win and you're gonna find someobscure reference that some
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asshole drops into the redditthread and he's like but
remember that one time there wasthat one thing that got
retconned and then, like dude,shut up.
I don't care, man, what are youtalking about?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
but that keeps.
You know, it's weird, butthat's a big part of like
chatter.
I guess you'd say, but no, itis, you know, not that I.
And of course anime versusanime is always a thing.
You know, yeah, that's, that'slike the biggest thing.
But superheroes get thrown in.
I see a lot of like homelander,omni-man, superman talk, you
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know, from all the differentstuff.
That kind of stuff, yeah, andit's, it's fun to you know, it's
cool to see it.
Uh, there's some people who dolike actual fan animations of
that stuff now which is like socool, and that's a thing.
You know, people will justanimate something that they want
to see, you know, or like agroup of friends or something
yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
So with, you know, the stories kind of blending.
So not stories, but the um,like the genres kind of touch.
Occasionally now they reach outand touch somebody.
Um, you know, with thathappening more and more often,
do you think we could ever seesomething like a?
Um, what am I trying to sayhere?
Like a full-blown justiceleague, but anime style.
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And I don't mean justice leaguedrawn in animation style.
What I mean is like a justiceleague story, an original
justice league story.
That's not justice league.
It's completely its own thingin an anime, not yeah, so right,
funny enough, man.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I think it was like 2014, it was in the 2010s.
Sometime in the 2010s they didanime version, animated x-men,
which is actually was a reallycool show and it was pretty
awesome.
They did a wolverine version.
Um, I know there's some thingswhere they'll do and if I'm
trying, I'm trying to remember,but I think the one punch man
artist did did a Spider-Manstory set in Japan.
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So there's a lot ofcross-pollinating stuff
happening.
I'm like 99% sure there's aDeadpool one as well.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
There's definitely a Wolverine story in Japan.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, there's tons of , and I think that's just the
medium.
Because you know the comics,you got to think of it too in
this way.
The comic medium as far assales is, not to be rude, but
kind of a joke, compared tomanga sales, like manga sells a
lot of copies, oh yeah, and theWestern comics, which is so
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strange.
I never understood it.
The movies make billions butthey don't create comic book
readers, which is strange.
And on the flip side, you knowDemon Slayer, there is a giant
successful anime and they'reparlaying that into movies where
the end of the show will be inmovie form and they're making
millions upon millions in themovies.
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And it started from a manga toan anime.
So it's like they don't workthat way.
For us over here for our comics, it doesn't make.
You know, endgame is the most Ithink still the most made the
most money out of any movie ever, but it didn't like make
Avengers comics sell billions ofcopies or millions of copies
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millions copies.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Well, so I think that has to do with the um, just the
culture in general, which youknow.
Anime anime originally wasmeant to be, you know, a vehicle
that drove you towards thelight novel or the manga in the
first place, right?
So I I think part of theindustry has never lost that.
You know that drive to push youthe other type of media where
you know the full story is told.
We are seeing more and moreanime that get done and told to
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completion of the story.
But I feel like you know, withAmericans or in, you know,
western society, when we make amovie, yeah, when we make a
superhero movie, it's to driveyou to the movie theater and we
don't give a crap about any ofthe other media to the movie
theater.
And we don't give a crap aboutany of the other media because
obviously you know, as you cansee in any a lot, most of the
marvel movies, you know they,they bastardize the story,
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change stuff, and you know everymedia is going to change stuff
when you put it into to eitheranimation or film.
Once it goes, you know, on thescreen some of that's going to
change and I get that it has to,but they outright ignore just
so much stuff that you know onthe screen some of that's going
to change and I get that it hasto.
But they outright ignore justso much stuff that you know the
comic lovers actually love aboutthe stories.
For instance, you knowWolverine's supposed to be a
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short dude, you know like that'snot like integral to his
character.
Yet, right, he's not supposed tobe six foot four, like he's
supposed to be five foot four.
Um, you know, that's's that'slike integral to the character,
and so I think that's the maindifference, is because to me it
feels different because of thatdrive, the cultural differences
and how they preserve the storyin the media.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah, no, I definitely see it.
It's just I always you knowwhat.
If you want to be actuallyhonest, if I'm really really
thinking part of probably theproblem besides, just culture
wise, if you want to watch or,let's say, read one piece, good
luck, because you got a lot todo.
But you can start at one andkeep start going In Western
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comics.
If you want to read aSpider-Man comic, where the hell
do you start at?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Right, how many?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
universes are they up to now?
Well, and how many retcons?
And you don't start at onebecause they've already rebooted
that nine times.
And so I think the barrier ofentry is part of the big problem
and I think that's why,originally, the ultimate
universe of Marvel was a popularthing while it was going,
because it was technically itsown universe, but it started at
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one and you could jump on andget these characters and there
were different versions likesome of their personalities.
Stuff were different.
It was more grounded in realitythat that world, that I guess,
realm.
But you could do that, youcould start at it where now it's
like it's so difficult to knowwhere to begin and I love comics
and even I'm like, well, if Iwant to read this, what do I
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start at?
You know it's hard to know.
It's, it's hard to like, decideor figure out, because one arc
may be great and one arc won't.
And I think, and personally forme, I mean, manga gets better as
you read it because of the artgets tighter and, you know, more
refined, but it still looksthis the characters in comics
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you'll have an art team on a arcfor 10 issues and it's stunning
artwork.
And then the next arc startsand they fired everybody and
moved to someone else and thecharacters look terrible or
nothing like you like, andyou're like why don't we want to
read this?
For me, that's a big thing.
That's why I don't read likeongoing things, because I don't
want to read something where theart is like beautiful and
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really artwork, and then thenext one it's like rushed and
not as good and you're like itpulls you out, man, and I think
that's just how it's done here,for whatever reason.
But I think that's part of whyyou don't see people jumping on
board.
They don't know where to startand then they kind of get lost
and just say this is too muchyou know so, would you say.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Would you say maybe, and knowing that we know you
know nothing about the actual,uh, anime and manga industry?
Well, not a whole lot, wouldyou say that, um, you know, the
main difference in how it feelsis because western comics is
more money driven than oh yes oh, you know, animation and manga,
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yeah, and I think part of thatis just maybe Western ideals or
ideas.
I don't know Western society.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Western society, and I think, well, here's a good
example, right, so Invincible.
Okay, that came out a long timeago.
It's being animated by Amazon.
I wish the animation was alittle bit better.
It's still good.
It's violent, it's an adultsuperhero comic world.
It does share a lot with, uh,dragon ball in the sense of, you
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know, the superman race ofpeople.
They're not crypto andcryptonians, but they conquer
planets like saiyans.
They get stronger the more theyget injured.
You know they're literallysaiyans I mean literally and
that, though, you could buyissue one and read the entire
thing.
It's just it's long, but it's acontained story.
Now that anime, quote,animation, cartoon, whatever you
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want to call it is coming out,you know, on amazon or on season
three, and I'm sure that'sprobably getting people to read
it, and I think it's justbecause the storyline is really
good, it's action oriented, it'svery violent, um, and you can
start at one if you want andread the whole thing right now
and I bet that Invincibles.
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It's been over for years now,but I bet their comic sales are
starting to blow up because ofthe Amazon show.
You know, I feel like it'sprobably a good thing and it has
anime pacing.
You could tell that it was madewith people who like that stuff
, because the way it's pacedit's very much like an anime and
it works.
I mean, it's a very popularshow, you know.
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It's getting tons and tons andtons of ratings.
So, it's, in its end, just likeour favorite.
I don't know if you've everseen Invincible, but it's cool.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
No, I haven't.
I was about to say I'm going tohave to check it out Maybe.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah, I think you'd like it.
I mean it's superhero but it'spretty dark.
It gets really dark and there'ssome good themes in it and the
action's brutal, like reallybrutal, and yeah, it's fun.
I mean, you know, and all thiskind of anime overlap, slash,
superhero stuff really, in myopinion, culminates in my hero
academia.
I mean, I know there's a fewsuperhero anime, but that's
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really probably the, you know,the king of the mountain.
On that, which I know youhaven't started yet, I don't
think.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
No, no, I haven't Sorry, so you know if I was
going to ask.
You know, where do you seeanime and superhero comics going
Like?
Do you see a more of a blend?
But with we covered this in arealm rumor a few weeks ago um,
you know where the?
Was it the head of?
Was it the head of country role, where he said, um, I see anime
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staying a fully Japanese thing.
Do you think American comicswill ever, you know, relinquish
the rights to draw to ananimation studio in Japan?
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I mean, if they were smart they would, because you
can, you got to look at it likethis and there are.
I think there are some that'shappened.
I know the X-Men one was, I'mpretty sure that was an anime
studio, a Japanese studio, butthere was a Batman Ninja which
was terrible.
But they're trying to crashinto that market over there.
You know they are, which theyshould.
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Their characters would probablytranslate and I know certain
ones are popular over there andI think if they want to crash
into that market it would needto be very deliberate, as in,
you know, either launch, launcha, uh, I guess, a reality
universe, whatever you want tocall them where they're kind of
restarting from one again andlaunch it and do it with top
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tier and animes to likesomething like so, like a.
You know the good, the goodstudios.
You need the good studios.
You could do it.
It would probably blow up andI'm sure they would.
They would love it.
There'd be no reason theywouldn't like it.
They have all the shonencharacter types, you know I
think it would be more a matterof.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I think it would be more a matter of them not
wanting to relinquish creativecontrol well, if that's the case
, then you got more money thangod.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Disney your own marvel open an anime studio.
What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
like you got them I don't think that'll work either.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I don't think it'll work either, but they, they
could try.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I mean, yeah, you know, yeah, no, they could
definitely try, but I I thinkthey're very, um, I think,
animation, anime, very secular,you know, I feel like it would
end up being one of those thingswhere they're kind of
ostracized and it tanks.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I mean, who's doing Castlevania and the Devil May
Cry?
I don't.
Are they anime studios?
Are they Korean ones?
Because those are gameproperties that are being
animated and they're verypopular.
They're pretty big.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, I actually don't know, so I won't comment
on that.
I know that the original uhdevil may cry.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Was an anime studio yeah, because there's a new one
about it was dropped soon, yeahyeah, but there's a new one
about to drop so I mean theycould try.
I don't know, maybe it wouldmaybe fall flat.
But hey, go for it, I would.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I would like to just see them say hey, we want to
produce this story and give itto an anime studio and just
watch it happen.
Like just give them the control.
That's what I would want to say.
Wolverine or hell, evenspider-man, anything really just
something pick a superherostory.
Pick a, pick a superhero storyand say develop this arc through
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this arc and make it your way.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Here's the material yeah, I think it.
I think that it would dude.
You know the culture now world,I mean anime is worldwide.
You know it's, it's so big.
Why wouldn't you tap into thatto grow your brand awareness of
spider-man or wolverine?
Well, we, can hope man, we canonly hope.
Well, maybe they'll hear thisand they'll be like that's a
great idea.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
And they'll do it.
Yeah, but yeah, I am open toconsult.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Right, yeah, this is our idea.
You're not stealing at Disney,don't you dare, right?
But I think you're right.
I think you know fully animestyle.
You know Justice League,avengers.
I think they've tried.
There's think they've tried.
There's some show I didn'twatch it, it's a kid show where
it's anime, world anime, andthen the kid has an iron man
(32:25):
figure or something and itcreates the character in the
real life.
So I think they're trying to doit in in different ways.
I don't think they've tapped itthe right way, probably to
really blow up, um, but hey, youknow, these superheroes are not
going to go nowhere and withthe success of my hero, mean,
obviously Japan loves the ideaof superhero characters.
(32:46):
I mean, all Might is literallyCaptain America.
I mean he's literally trainedin America, like that's this
whole character.
He's the coolest character inthe whole damn thing.
You know one of your mentorcharacters, you know.
So it's like it's there,they're tapping into it.
What are we doing, you know?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
let's figure it out.
Yeah, I feel like they just tapinto it differently.
You know, and I kind of alreadysaid this, but it's like I
don't know the, the charactersaren't selfless.
You know, even in MHA theythey're not like just these
Superman selfless characters allthe time, whereas like comics
are predominantly that they just, I don't know it feels, it just
(33:25):
doesn't feel as real to me asas the, the animated or the
anime versions do, I don't know.
And then, and then there's justthe hero worship.
Like I don't get it.
I think that happens too muchhere.
I mean, people name theirbabies after these characters
and I'm like bro, what are youdoing?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
yeah, yeah, named her , named her son, bruce, like you
know what happened to theparents?
Right, I get it, but I I'm sureit's like that there, man, with
anime, you know manga anime,right?
Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Maybe, not, maybe we're the only ones naming
arcade goku right, no, I, I feellike it's purely a, a western
yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.
Maybe I'll get your love ofsuperheroes.
When you finally watch my hero,you'll be like you know what?
This is actually pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
I like it yeah, but I don't think it.
But I, I, so I started my heroum I I don't think it'll change
my opinion on superhero storieslike the actual, you know,
western comics.
I don't think it's gonna changemy opinion.
Um, I'm only on episode three,though, so don't know it's gonna
be like this.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
We'll see what happens.
You're gonna be like damn, theydid it better than us too,
that's good right, that's kindof what I think is gonna happen
yeah it's a great story.
It's one of my favorite series.
Man, for sure, I'm trying toalmost get all the characters
from it behind me.
But yeah, you'll, uh, I thinkyou'll really like the endeavor
character, verythree-dimensional, very
multifaceted.
Yeah, you'll be interested.
(34:51):
I want your take on thateventually for sure.
Yeah, for sure.
Do you got a hot take this week, bro, or what?
What?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
do we?
What do we got this week?
I mean, we've kind of beendiscussing it off and on here,
so what?
The hot take is, uh, what doyou prefer?
Anime or, like westernsuperhero comics?
Oh man, I know, I know youranswer.
You know what I'll even throwin another caveat anime slash
manga versus western superherocomics and cartoons and movies.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Throw the movies in.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
You might as well, man throw it all, I mean you can
throw the movies in, so for methat just makes it go more
negative, right, right.
Well, I know you're gonna pick.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Um, I would say honestly, I love the superhero
stuff so much, but anime is justit's bigger in in my life than
the superhero stuff is.
I mean, I love supers but yeah,I tend to consume more anime
content than than the superherostuff.
I mean, I've probably seenevery marvel movie there are.
Some of them are great, someare whatever, but I'm not.
(35:50):
I don't get the hype that Iused to get.
Maybe it's just too much ofthem, you know, or maybe it's
disappointing.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
I am hyped for super I haven't seen yeah, I haven't
seen a.
I haven't seen a marvel moviepast Endgame, the only one I
would recommend is the lastSpider-Man.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
That was great and they've had multiple options
Does Spider-Man count?
Speaker 1 (36:07):
He counts, does Spider-Man count?
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, he counts, he's a Marvel, I mean yeah, I guess
Okay.
Did you see the?
Speaker 1 (36:13):
last one, I think.
So, dude, I don't know.
I'd have to go ask my son son.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I don't remember that was great, but yeah, a lot of
the, a lot of them have probablybeen good.
They have not been that good.
So yeah, I don't blame him.
Well, you know your answer.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Go ahead, just say it officially you already know,
anime slash manga, for thelimited manga that I do read,
which right uh, for thelisteners was manga read to
completion, was fairy tale andum seven deadly sins.
So it's not that I haven'tstarted others, and don't you
know, I do want to start others,it's just those are the only
(36:44):
two I've officially read.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Too many light novels bro.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
I yeah light novels?
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I mean, dude, I don't know.
Give me the words, bro, I likea lot of words.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah, you read super fast.
So yeah, it makes sense I do,but honestly it it makes sense,
I do.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
But honestly, it's not that I, just when I'm going
to sit down and read, I justdedicate time to sitting down
and read.
So I, like I, will devotechunks of time, huge chunks of
time, to sit down and read.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Yeah, that's my goal here this year is to get a book
under my, under my wing there onreading.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yeah, I'll come make you read something Deal, all
right.
You read something, deal, allright.
Well, next week's topic, um,we're gonna be discussing
jordan's writing journey fromweb comics to novels I'm nervous
.
I don't know about this, yeah,so I hope everybody will join us
next week for that absolutely,guys, well, appreciate you
listening and uh, yeah, keeprocking yeah, have a great night
(37:37):
.
Thanks for jumping into therealm with us today.
Be sure to follow realm jumperswherever you get your podcasts,
and don't forget to share yourthoughts, theories and favorite
moments with us.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Stay epic and keep exploring the worlds you love.
Leave us a review on yourpodcast platform and if you're
stuck on what to say, let usknow what your favorite anime is
.
See you in the next round,thank you.
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