June 5, 2025 • 50 mins
Ever stared at your TBR pile and felt both pride and despair? You're not alone. In this intimate, laughter-filled discussion, we explore the fantasy reader's eternal struggle with books that keep multiplying faster than we can read them.
Mistborn's unique metal-burning magic system takes center stage as we dissect what makes Brandon Sanderson's worldbuilding so compelling. "That is one of the most unique magic systems I've ever actually seen," Jordan confesses, explaining how it rekindled his love of reading. We venture through the broader Cosmere universe and why Stormlight Archive might be the perfect next step for fantasy readers looking to level up their experience.
The conversation takes a grittier turn as we compare Sanderson's methodical style with Joe Abercrombie's raw, darkly humorous approach in books like "The Devils." This "jarring" transition between authors reveals the rich diversity within fantasy literature—from high fantasy epics to monster-filled adventures featuring vampires who mysteriously grow younger as the story progresses.
Our frustrations boil over when discussing both Hollywood's tendency to butcher fantasy adaptations and the publishing industry's celebrity favoritism. The recent controversy of a reality TV star receiving a two-book deal based merely on a concept strikes a nerve, highlighting the uphill battle most authors face. "At least have it done," we argue, questioning an industry that sometimes values platform over craft.
Whether you're a seasoned fantasy reader or just beginning your journey into these magical realms, this episode offers both recommendations to expand your reading horizons and validation that yes, it's perfectly normal to have hundreds of unread books waiting for attention. Your TBR pile isn't a failure—it's a promise of adventures yet to come.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to Realm Jumpers.
I'm Andrew, and this is myco-host, jordan.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hey, everyone we're here to dive into the worlds of
fantasy and anime, bringing youepic stories and unforgettable
adventures.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
We'll be talking world building, unforgettable
villains and everything thatmakes these genres legendary.
So let's jump into the realmand everything that makes these
genres legendary.
So let's jump into the realm.
Tonight, we're kicking back anddiving into fantasy books that
have been crowding our shelvesand Kindles lately, from hidden
gems to series.
We just can't seem to quit,even though we should.
This is a laid-back,spoiler-light conversation for
(00:39):
readers who know the TBR pile isa living growing beast.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Dude my TBR pile.
It's all your fault, man.
You got me back into readingagain and now it just keeps
growing.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yeah, so it's a.
It's a problem.
It's a legitimate problem.
It's a legitimate problem.
I downloaded Kindle on my PCagain, which I had to scab that
app together.
And yeah, don't, don't come atme in the comments.
Amazon sucks.
But I already have 600 plusbooks on Kindle, which that was
(01:11):
the actual point I was gettingto.
I thought I only had about 200to 300 books on Kindle.
No, between light novels andmanga, I've got 600 entries on
my freaking Kindle device.
That's a lot.
It's a lot, um, which is fine.
I've read most of them.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, you're a reading junkie dude, you're like
a master.
Uh, look, I can't, just I can'tblame you only.
I mean we, wife, you made usbuild a library and it's getting
full.
Honestly, you, you got me intoreading again, but when?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I had a library in my living room.
Bro, I've read, bro it's, it'scrazy.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
And then I'm looking at all her books and it's all
you know the girly books, thefate, the romancy, the some of
them are pretty pretty spicy bro, some of these books.
And I'm realizing like, well, Igotta have my some of my stuff
up here.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I can't just be straight although I will say uh,
for spicy women-ledled romancenovels that are fantasy adjacent
yeah like genre.
Yeah, yeah, well adjacent,because it's not 100% fantasy,
right.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
It's close but like there's this series, let me back
up.
I might have it, she might haveit.
My sister was reading a fewdays and, like one of them,
looked interesting, so I pickedit up and read it and it was
part of this series called thedark hunters and bro cool, cool,
cool series title, I don't knowit's.
It's actually cool as hell,it's just a lot of them are
(02:39):
super spicy spicy yeah it's dude, dude.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Here's the funny part , some of them will be.
I'm like I should be like,because we were renovating,
right, so painting, you know,there's like paintings.
So sometimes there's like audiobooks that she has and they're
playing, and I'm in the otherroom like building another
bookshelf for the 20th time andI hear some, some things coming
(03:06):
out and I'm like, hey, yo, whatis this?
I come in, I'm like what areyou listening to?
And she's like it's this book.
So I'm like I gotta startgetting some books.
So thank you for getting meinto miss born, because you're
absolutely welcome, bro.
Yes, that ignited a hole.
Now, um, uh, yeah, I'm goingdown the rabbit hole which we'll
get to all that, but let's dothe other stuff first.
But it's uh, it's been prettycool for sure yeah, well, that,
um, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I guess it's not really even a segue, just for
anyone that's wondering what thehell are we talking?
The whole thing is, you know,realm jumpers was supposed to be
and anime related, um, and wedid cover some of that in the
beginning.
You know, we did a pretty goodsplit in the beginning and then,
like the spring anime seasonkicked off and the hunter's exam
kicked off and we did a lot ofcontent covering anime and you
(03:47):
know we were Jordan and I wereboth just looking at it we
haven't talked about anythingbut anime in weeks, bro.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, it's kind of been a while we had to bring it
back.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
We had to bring it back to the roots.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Because I mean, honestly, like, as good as anime
is, I would rather sit down anddown every day of the week.
Oh yeah, I mean fantasy is, youknow, anime, movies, books,
shows, which you know.
There's a lot that.
Yeah, exactly the whole pointwas it was a broad topic and we
kind of pigeonholed it for alittle bit.
But that's okay, we can, we canopen it all encompassing
fantasy.
Yeah, yep, so we're going to bechatting about some cool books
that we're into, that we startedand just, uh, you know, riffing
, so how did you enjoy mistbornlike, and I I'm just gonna say
(04:29):
that because I know you enjoyedit, but how like?
tell me about it I'm gonna tellyou this I thought you were
blowing smoke up my assoriginally about the magic
system.
That is one of the most uniquemagic systems I've ever actually
it might be the most as far asI know um magic systems ever and
when you were saying it shouldbe animated, like I agree,
(04:50):
because I think it would besuper hard to do in live action
unless you really had a lot ofbudget, uh, to do it.
But, dude, this is great.
I mean my favorite wasdefinitely the first book, was
my favorite of them, but allthree were great.
I mean great endings, greattwists, great.
I was like just hooked, like Ihad to read the whole trilogy as
(05:11):
fast as I could.
I had to see what happened withVin, I had to see how it played
out and I mean there's somethings, of course, I probably
would don't love the most aboutsome of them, but at the end of
the day, a solid trilogy.
And like I'm kind of sadbecause I want to see it in
another form, but I don't knowif it can be done, because I
heard that he kind of bailed ontrying to do it as a series or a
(05:34):
movie because he, he wantscontrol and they won't give it
to him and I'm like dude, don'tdo it without control, because
yeah right so you know that hewrote.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
He, like ghost, wrote the last couple of novels of
Wheel of Time right.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I look, you tell me about that.
I feel like, even if he and Idon't know if he has said it.
So actually, this one, you canat me in the comments If you
know the answer to this.
He might have said this, but Ifeel like him pulling the plug
on Mistborn probably had alittle bit to do with the way
Wheel of Time went.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Well, I read something about that, because,
apparently Because he was vocalabout not.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
He was happy at first and then very not happy.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Well, I heard, that he had like writer's notes or
whatever producer notes,whatever it was, and he would
give them after the first seasonlike, hey, you need to be doing
this.
And that they were like, hey,we don't care, we're doing our
own thing.
And and now we can say it'scanceled.
So good job, guys.
Another series that you knewbetter than the source material
because, right, you're inhollywood, awesome, and you have
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destroyed it.
So good job.
Now it's dead.
And once again we're on thesame old train of I don't need
to follow this, the alreadycreated storyline or script or
show or book or whatever game,because you guys know better.
And now we have another badlyadapted series that's canceled,
that will likely never getadapted again because now it's
(07:00):
got that stink of cancellationon it and you know it's.
It's the same old hollywoodstory.
I, I, so I don't blame him onebit that he pulled miss born and
said I'm not gonna do it unlessI have full control.
I mean, I wish some somebodywould just give him money and
let him do it.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Dude, like there's a few projects that I wish people
would just throw like just givehim.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, bro, let him do his thing.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Like, yeah, absolutely, uh, there's some
writers out there that need that, need their series finished,
that honestly, I think theyshould just throw sandra um to
like the rest of it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, just becausewe're never gonna see the other
books and I'm not game ofthrones.
That's not the only one.
That's not the only one.
There's another one.
Uh, there's another seriescalled king killer chronicles by
or king.
(07:45):
Is it king killer chronicles?
It's something.
It's king killer something.
Anyways, patrick rothfuss.
Originally, when he got hisbook deal, you know the whole
premise behind it, and what theypushed out to everyone like
this is what they told everybodyand their mother was that all
three books were done.
Um, books two and three justneeded a little bit of light
polishing.
Right, that's some revisionalstuff.
(08:05):
That was in 2007, when thefirst book came out, so what?
happened?
The second book came out in2000.
They were supposed to bereleased back to back to back
2007, 2008, 2009.
Book two didn't come out until2014.
But was it big?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
oh, it's huge and so it's very popular and it is
fantastic it's great, fantasticwriting.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
But he is one writer that and like I get he's had
some.
He's had some um depressionissues and just like he's had
some life happen to him.
You know what I mean.
Like life happens, I get that,but like I don't know if he's
the one that said he had thestory completely written or if
that was some publishing BS thatthey threw out there to kind of
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get everybody to buy in to this.
I don't know, but it looks bad.
It looks bad.
It pisses everybody off there'sother rumors that he's like
stolen money from his fans inlike fundraising type stuff.
Oh man, I don't follow enoughof it anymore at this point.
I don't even follow him onTwitter.
I just want the last book, andthen I want to be, you know what
(09:08):
I mean?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Well, 2014, bro, 11 years ago, man, yeah, exactly so
that was book two was 2014.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
We haven't seen book three yet.
Is the dude older ormiddle-aged?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
He's late 40s.
Okay, so we don't have a georger martin situation.
No, he's not that old.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah, at the at the most he's early 50s, but
honestly I would say mid to late40s I, I don't know, dude,
that's a shame when that happens, man that's just I lost my
entire train of thought becausepatrick rothfuss will do that to
me every time.
Like I will go on a rant andnext thing I we're three levels
deep and hours later and I hadno clue what the initial point
(09:48):
was.
Damn it.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Well, I have you, I got you.
Your point was that can someonefinish the series?
Because clearly he ain't goingto do it.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, no Sanderson.
I wish people would just throwSanderson at several series.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Like hey, finish this one up.
Yeah, please, please finish.
Can he do berserk now?
right, he probably whichactually yeah side note, not to
get into anime, but apparentlythere were chapters coming out.
I was 20 chapters behind, foundout over the weekend and binged
the hell out of it.
Very, I'm loving where it'sgoing.
I'm not gonna go into it, butyeah so.
But his assistant is taking, orhis friend or whatever's taking
(10:23):
over.
Sometimes you get it, sometimesthat's the thing you got to do
it.
So, yeah, not having an endingis the worst, because the
Berserk is like quintessentialgrimdark, like that's that's.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
that's dark for like almost no reason.
Sometimes I think it's justbecause.
Yeah, it's because becauseHomeboy was fighting demons in
real life.
That's what's up.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Bro, absolutely, man, but that's the thing is like,
you're right, sometimes they'relike let's, can someone finish
this?
I mean, I, I'm assuming this iswhat's going to happen to Game
of Thrones.
Yeah, yeah, who knows, dude,because he ain't going to finish
.
He's got two books.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
So yeah, mistborn, I'm glad you loved it and, for
people following along, I kindof recommended that Jordan not
finish like the latter half ofthe series after book three.
Not, not, not read it at all.
Just not read it right now.
There's much more in theCosmere to be explored that.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I think I want to do Stormlight for sure.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, dude, I think you are going like Stormlight is
so up your alley, it's.
I honestly I think you'll, Ithink you're going to get
inspired for you, like yourprojects coming off of
Stormlight.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Well, honestly, bro, this really inspired me to like.
I finished Deck of Fates.
The novel is done.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, you've been writing like a madman Dude.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
So it's and I'm it's gonna be on amazon, probably
pretty soon, because I'muploading everything.
I get the cover like I'm doingall that.
So it'll be up there, um, butif you have, the cover.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Are you still still?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
working on it.
No, we're good to go, man.
I'm just waiting for my proofcopy to come in so I can look at
it.
Um, I did hit five almost 500pages on that one.
That was pretty cool.
I never wrote that much, sothat was cool.
Um what?
Speaker 1 (12:08):
um.
What does that relate to?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
um well, so I think it depends on the size of the
book too.
Obviously it's a big factor ofthat.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Uh, I think it was 80,000 words not 85, I was gonna
try for a hundred like I wasgonna try to run for the 100.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
But I'm like I'm not writing for a word count, like I
know where I wanted to end thefirst book and I reached it, and
I'm like I'm gonna end it theway I want to end.
I don't want to try to like add, pad it up.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
That's perfect for a light novel though.
Anyways, right, because lighten, a long light novel is 80,000
words and I get excited when Isee a long light novel, but I
mean most of them are two tothree hour reads for me.
Yeah, cause you're a robot.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
You're actually AI.
No one knows it.
That's fine.
You replaced the real agent, ohwow.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
So I'm the AI that is constantly arguing against.
Why?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I should be allowed into play Like bro, but would
that not be a good way to comeon that's?
I mean, I guess that's the wayto convince everybody I'm not a
robot, absolutely.
This is the deep fake righthere.
Yeah, dude, this whole, thiswhole podcast.
Dude, we're both ai man.
This is one of those.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Google yeah, folks, I don't look like this.
This isn't my voice, umcomplete.
We're just typing stuff intothe computer and it randomly
spits out whatever.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I'm pretty sure it's messed up, can you?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
believe we're prompts .
Yeah, this is a prompt.
This is a problem.
Let me tell you how to engineeryour life right.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
The uh no, but the you're, you're absolutely right
is like me reading all of it.
It really got me into just justlike overdrive.
It really inspired me.
So if stormlight's even more ofthat, that's great, because you
knowborn, really, it's reallygrabbed me, man.
It was, it was.
I was living in that world fora while.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
So the magic system in Stormlight is awesome and
interesting, but I don't feellike it was as interesting as
Mistborn.
Don't get me wrong.
I love it and it's well-written, but I still feel like
Mistborn's magical system is ait's more fun well, it's just so
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different.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I've never even seen anything like like that was such
a different concept for how touse powers and stuff and like,
and then the medals and whatthey did and each one did
something different, and thenlike dude, that was just, it was
you.
It was very unique, which Ireally like.
That and that's.
I'm only not going to read itfor just the magic system.
Obviously I want action, which,if there's action, I'm all in,
(14:31):
because when you'll trip ballsin the prologue yeah, okay, good
I'll tell you this stormlight,the first book, the way of kings
.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
It's double prologued .
Oh wow, really.
It's got a prologue and then ithas another prologue.
That's cool.
Before you even get to chapterone.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Here's my list.
I have about 150 pages left ofthe Devils by Joe Abercrombie,
which I'm just liking.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
How are you liking that?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Dude.
It's funny because when I firststarted the first part of the
beginning, I'm reading it and hewrites different.
Yeah, he definitely does, it'sdifferent.
So it's weird because I wentfrom Sanderson to this, so I'm
reading it and it's like vulgar,which is fine, I love that and
British kind of, which I lovethat, and I'm kind of like I'm
reading it.
I'm like I don't know if I likethis, but I just kept reading
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because I was like I feel likethis is pretty cool.
And then it started gettinginto the characters and it's
like I feel like I'm readingmonster version of the like
suicide squad or something likethe way the characters are.
So I actually am really diggingthe interactions.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
It's funny as shit yeah, the book is hilarious.
Yeah, my first um I I for joeabercrombie I I like the blade
itself better that series, whichI can't remember the name of
that series.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Is it First Law?
Is that that series?
Because I heard that's one ofhis big series.
I don't know, maybe that soundsright.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah, it is, that's First.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Law series Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
The Blade itself is the first book in that First Law
.
And let me say this like yousaid, it's jarring going from
Sanderson or Rothfuss to joeabercrombie, not in a bad way,
it's just.
It's so different written, sodifferent.
Yeah, um that, that's it.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
That's written perfect, jarring 100, because I
was like I almost gave it up inchapter two.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
I I almost put the book down in chapter two, but I,
you know, persevered and itdoes this like it's got a like a
three character focus in theblade itself and two of the
characters I absolutely hated.
Straight off out of jump streetI was like I hate these, like I
don't see redeeming qualities.
Right like I, I can't see anyredeeming qualities for these
(16:42):
two.
But um no, they brought it back.
Both of the characters I hated.
They're still their same selves, but he put enough life into
the character that I'm like ohyou know, this is actually
believable and I can get behindyour reasoning, even if I still
think you're a dick.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Hey, that's good writing, bro.
If you're able to do that, yeah, like right now.
I mean, I did you you read thedoubles or no?
Have you read that one?
I?
Speaker 1 (17:08):
it just came out, I think I.
I think I audiobook okay, no,no wait, it just came out like
well, maybe it did.
I thought it just came out, Ithink I.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I think I audio book.
Okay, no, no, no, no, wait, itjust came out.
Well, maybe it did.
I thought it just came out likewithin a couple of months,
maybe not, though I don't know.
Look it up.
I feel like I audio booked it,maybe I just.
Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.
Yeah, look it up and see.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
But like the.
I thought it was pretty new.
I know I'm reading the blurbright now.
Brother Diaz summoned to thesacred city.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, I can't.
I can't stand Brother Diaz, butthen I was growing on me, so
maybe that's what's going on.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
OK, so this was published in May.
No, this isn't.
It sounds familiar, but no,this isn't what I audio.
I put this on the list.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
This blurb looks interesting.
No, dude, it's fun if they'reall monsters.
There's a werewolf, a priest,uh, voodoo, or like a magician
don't call him a wizard uh,there.
And then there's like a pirate,like thief, a girl who should
not be a princess.
That actually is a prince, yeah, it's like this whole thing.
And we got a vampire in there,which I die because he's very
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old and decrepit in thebeginning.
When they get him in the celllike dracula, like he's just
yeah, he's old and saggy.
But as the book goes on, hestarts looking younger and
younger and younger and they'relike are you feeding on people,
like you know?
It's so funny.
So it's, dude, it's a fun bookman.
He's like no, I don't know whatyou mean.
No, it's, it's a fucking funnybook, dude, I just be laughing,
(18:32):
it's so fun.
The werewolf dude is like themost interesting version of a
werewolf I think I've ever seenin, ever in in media, ever
devised like super cool, you'regonna dig it.
Dude it's but I was jarring isthe right word, because at first
I'm like I don't think I likethis.
Like everyone says this is goodand it's funny and fantasy and
(18:53):
dark, and I'm reading it likethis is so different than
sanderson I think that I neededjust a couple chapters.
Well, dude, it's amazing.
It's just a different type ofwriting.
So no, but I'm very vulgar,brutal, brutal, like when the
werewolves going on a rampagedude, that is one of the most
visual.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Like, oh shit so it's laid itself that has got some
pretty grisly torture scenes andI'm like, oh my god, bro, dude
like I mean the world's bitingheads, and it's very descriptive
.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Man like the the good she calls it the good meat.
Who's got the good meat?
I'm like, oh my Dude, you'regoing to like it.
It's a great, it's good man.
Yeah, all right, that's goingon.
Yeah, all right, well.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Jordan has completely dived into high fantasy lately.
I kind of took a little bit ofa back seat and this probably
won't surprise anybody.
Now I read a book called he, ora series of books called he,
who fights with monsters, and Ifeel like I've heard of that
(19:57):
title before, like I'm prettysure the author is american, but
it's written sort of in thelight novel style, sort of this
is where it gets really weird,right, because technically it's
an isekai, because he leavesearth and gets transplanted to
another fantasy, right.
Well, that is well, yeah, butthen it's.
It's written like a regularfantasy series, like interesting
(20:18):
, not written like a harem typeisekai thing.
Um, yeah, like he immediatelyfalls into the hands of, like
this, uh, cannibal cult.
Yeah, yeah, and like the, thecharacter Jason, he's like this
snarky little asshole.
I mean, he's funny as hell andI don't know.
I don't even really know how todescribe that, because I've
(20:41):
heard that people either love itor hate it.
I'm on the love it list, okay,it's one of those.
Yeah, yeah, there are timeswhen the author has gotten to
points I think it was like bookseven for me where I was like,
oh, dear God, I just need tofinish this book so I can get to
book eight, because book eightgoes back to more interesting
(21:03):
stuff.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
And then he ends up kind of aworld hopper in his own universe
, like he goes from the fantasyland back to earth and then back
to the fantasy land and thenback to over the series over the
course of 12 books.
That's crazy, yeah and it's.
It is very good.
It's written pretty well.
Um, it's not.
(21:24):
You know, we just establishedthat you don't have to be
sanderson to be a great author.
Um so it's not sanderson, likethe prose isn't.
The prose is more, um, modernbecause you know it's, it's a
guy from modern australia, youknow he's not, um, yeah, it's
not old-timey, like even the uh,the fantasy world, although it
(21:46):
is like a fantasy world.
They have some tech, like theyhave some magic tech, so they're
not completely tech, so they'renot completely like.
You know, we just discoveredfire, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah, they're not like, not like, super like
Stoney G, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, so you know they speak modern, which is fine
.
That part is a little bitjarring.
Like if you were expecting afull fantasy like high fantasy
thing they're not.
There's no Tolkien speak.
You know, nobody sounds likethat.
Like if you were expecting afull fantasy like high fantasy
thing uh, they're, they're not.
There's no tolkien speak.
Um, you know, no, nobody soundslike that.
But it's very good, dude, I Ienjoyed it.
Um, I don't even know how Idiscovered that.
(22:23):
Like, I don't know, dude, I getthe email.
Like god, I hate freaking gmailman.
Um, I get, I, you know, I getthe emails from Amazon that are
here are series you might like.
You might like this.
I do like this Now.
I'm going to go F you for makingme read 12 new books.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
So their, their, their profile view is like very
fine tuned that they're very,it's very, it's very on on brand
.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
They've got me down.
They've got me down.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Well, it's cool, though You're finding new stuff
like that.
I mean, I'm pretty much gettingthem from you.
Although I did join a bookFacebook group that's where I
saw devil.
It was like, wait, what is this?
And I read that it was like, oh, it's got a vampire world and
this is like a fan like they're.
They're villains.
Okay, let's check this out.
So that's.
(23:13):
I started reading T-Bait again,Did you?
Is there more?
Is there new ones?
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Is that what it is that you didn't know.
No, I just a couple of thingsin the anime popped me off and I
was like I don't, you know, Iknow it didn't happen that way.
I mean, anime changes stuff allthe time, but you know it was
bugging me.
So I was like I need to gocheck this out.
So yeah, now I'm back in likebook four of rereading it, of
T-Bate rereads, and currentlythere's 11 published.
So I'll be done with those bythe end of the week probably.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
So I have a question is maybe I saw this on posts and
I don't maybe you've uh, youknow what or read it, or I don't
know if it's overhyped, or Ikind of maybe know a little bit
of what it is, but I didn'treally dive too deep because I
don't want to add too much tothe list, because I already got
stormlight in there, first lawsin there.
I don't want to put too manythings because then I'm gonna
get like now, put all the thingson the list, put all the things
(23:56):
yeah, what is?
um, have you heard this dungeon,dungeon crawler, carl thing?
What is?
What is this about?
So I haven't checked it out.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I haven't checked it out yet, but um like it's, like,
there's a there's a growingthing on tiktok apparently,
where it's like you either lovehe who Fights With Monsters and
hate Dungeon Crawler Carl, oryou love Dungeon Crawler Carl
and you hate he who Fights WithMonsters?
I don't know.
I'm going to have to go readthem now and really see if it's
like is it really that black andwhite?
(24:25):
Like do you hate one and lovethe other?
Because obviously I alreadylove he who Fights With Monsters
.
So that would mean I'm gonnahave to automatically hate
dungeon crawler carl, and thenyou're gonna read it and be like
oh, I actually like this, right?
Yeah, no, that's actually whatI'm worried about is, I don't
know how many books there are inthat series and I'm gonna have
to dive into this and read themall to be able to tell you
whether or not it's accuratelike I saw the cover, I was like
(24:47):
what is this?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
and then I was like kind of read a little bit.
I'm like this kind of seemsinteresting.
I was like I wonder if he everread this.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah I haven't, I've just heard of it and there's
stuff on book talk about it, soyeah, I started seeing that
apparently it's pretty.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, it's very.
It's getting blown up, I guess,over there.
So I was wondering, like man, Iwonder.
I want your advice, youropinion on it, because we have
similar tastes.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
So I, I'm probably.
Yeah, we'll talk about it in anepisode or two, because I'm I'm
probably gonna read at least acouple of the next see, if you
like it.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I don't know how many there are.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I don't know, I don't , I don't want to know, I don't
I don't want to know, becausethen you'll end up down a rabbit
hole.
Reading 15 I'm screwed eitherway, because I'm gonna read them
you have to read it now.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
You have to.
I have to at least read onethat doesn't mean I have to.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I have to at least read one.
That doesn't mean I have tofinish the series, but if I pick
up one book like there aren'tvery many books that I've
started reading and just beenlike I'm not reading any more of
this Game of Thrones book five.
That was it for me for Game ofThrones.
You're like I'm done 50, 50pages in 50 pages and I was like
I'm done, I don't care anymore.
(25:49):
Done, I don't care anymore.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I waited too long and we spend 50 pages talking about
shit I don't care about.
That's the problem.
Well, I've never read those,that series.
I will never read it now.
So, whatever I watched the show,whatever, my theory is that he
did want to end it that way.
He saw how mad people were andhe was like, okay, I have to do,
and that's why it's taking,you're screwed now, yeah, you,
you totally ruined it because healways said, well, I'm working
with them and they know what Iwant to do.
And then everyone hated it andhe's like, uh, oops, yeah, which
(26:19):
is I?
Every like once, I swear, oncea week I just get a random
thought like that was thebiggest show in the world and
literally just fell off the faceof the fucking earth on that
last season.
And now everyone is like f thatshit, like it's just the ending
, just it overshadows the wholething.
There was a lot of cool stuffin that show and unfortunately,
(26:41):
you know, the ending last seasonjust really just kind of like
it, just it's you got to end it,right, I say you have to have a
good ending.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
For me, there just wasn't.
I don't know.
There was never enough magic inthat series to begin with oh,
there's magic, but we're notgonna really show.
Yeah, yeah, right, yeah likewhat magic didn't show up until,
I don't know, a season, late,season two.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Well, a lot of the stuff just fell off the anywhere
, like the girl that was theblood priestess that birthed a
blood demon to kill the guy andthen nothing ever happened from
that again, what was the pointof?
Yeah, there was some definitelydropped uh story.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, yeah I don't know, bro it's.
It's why the the book market iskind of out of control and the
shows, uh, that are getting madeoff of like.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
yes, game of thrones was, yeah, sure For the most
part, but the reputation of itnow it's like it's not like, oh
my God, it's amazing.
It's like it was great, but theending it's like there's that
Wheel of.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Time was.
I watched it.
I enjoyed it mostly, but I'm adiehard book fan, so like that
show was always going to piss mehard, that's right.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Well, but I'm a diehard book fan, so like that
show was always going to piss mehard, less Right.
Well, I didn't read the bookand I watched the show and there
was a lot of I will tell youthat I was like I don't care
about, like most of what'shappening, less rands and in the
scenes, like I just I didn'teven care.
So they they failed somewhereCause they're not even pulling.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Supposedly I'm the book they didn't really like I
was watching because I liked itby the time.
Books five rolls around um randis still my favorite, but
really matt has become myfavorite by like five that's
what?
Speaker 2 (28:24):
yeah, a lot of people say that, so maybe they didn't
get there in the show.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Matt's got a killer story arc, um, and I hesitate to
even call it redemption arcbecause it's not.
It's I mean, maybe there is alittle, but it's not redemption.
Matt is pushing.
Matt pushes the hardest againstthe fate, right, the fate of,
like the wheel, like whateverything?
Yeah, um, and I don't.
I I'm just trying to think.
I can't think of a single timewhere he ever just kicks back
(28:50):
and accepts fate, like he fightsit tooth and nail the entire
way.
Um, and that's what makes itinteresting to me.
Yeah, it's cool and yeah, likehe just becomes a solid
character.
Like I hated matt in book one,like I was like, oh, they just
let this guy die.
Um, no, I'm dead ass.
Like just let him die thiswhiny little bitch.
(29:13):
Like you stole a dagger.
Then he grows on you.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Then you're like oh, I actually like him now.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Okay.
So maybe there is someredemption, right, but there's
some character growth.
He has some growth.
I still don't want to call itredemption because it doesn't
feel like redemption, like it'snot.
Like he was evil oh no, no, hewas evil, shit.
Uh.
So maybe he was okay.
He was not purposefully evil,right, he did not make a choice
(29:38):
to go like murder the town ofsan vaganza or some bullcrap you
know, and then like, oh, fivethousand years later, I feel bad
for being a terrible person.
It's not like that.
He stole a dagger that turnedhim um.
So, yeah, still to me not aredemption, character growth for
sure, but not a red, but that'sgreat writing when you can do
that.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Though when you can turn a character, you're just
like dude, this guy's obnoxious,I can't stand this character.
And you're like, okay, he'skind of cool or you actually
really like him.
You know that's honestly.
Sanderson did it with uhhomeboy and miss born.
I could not a eland or whatever.
I could not stand him in thisland yeah yeah, I'm like dude,
this guy's just like he's rich,like he's cool, that he's like
(30:17):
doesn't look at sky like slaves,whatever, but like he's not
that interesting.
And honestly it was a littlejarring because by the last book
now he's misborn.
He's super strong, completelydifferent, which I understand.
They needed to do that for thatthird book because of where it
was going.
But I do remember, because Iread it so back to back like
(30:39):
that, that I was very jarred.
I was like I kind of wish Iwould have saw more of like how
did he become?
Because he literally went fromlike you know, had to be
protected, constantly dying.
Brought him back Next book.
It's been a year of war andhe's a wholly different
character.
You didn't really see thetransformation, but I did like
him in the third book.
(30:59):
So I was like, okay, he'spretty much a bad man.
I can respect him a little bit.
He did some cool stuff.
He did some cool stuff.
It kind of felt given to him ina way because you know he had
the pure pearl, whatever.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
It was the thing that made him like the original
Mistborn, like stronger than therest you know, it's kind of
like wait till you meet Kaladin,wait till you meet Kaladin and
Adolin in uh Stormlight is thata good thing or a bad thing?
I cannot wait to hear yourcharacter takes on Kaladin and
Adolin.
(31:32):
Okay, I'll remember those.
Um yeah, adolin, you like not adirect comparison to a lind,
because he's a born warrior ohyeah, because he was a scholar.
So yeah, yeah, no.
But adolin in stormlight, he'sa born war, um, but he was also
born with a silver spoon.
He's royalty, uh.
(31:53):
Kaladin, on the other hand, isbasically a second class citizen
that you know like has to fightfor everything.
He's got a chip on his shoulderfor a long time, like.
He pisses me off for quite awhile, um.
But yeah, like I I want to hear, like, after you read at least
one or two of those novels, I, Iwant to hear your take on
whether, because adolin's one ofthose guys you can hate, and
(32:15):
some people never stop hatinghim, I don't.
I like him, I like solidcharacter.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Well-written, so does this one have a chance to be
made, or that's he's like no,we're not doing this until I
know that I have rights to dothis as a show or a movie or
something, because you said thatthis stormlight would be a
better series.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Right, like visually visually as a movie, as a live
action.
Stormlight is the better choicefor live action.
Um, still be cooler as an anime, but as a live action that
would be like if I had to, youknow, go through the cosmere and
pick um like you can eithermake this or make this right.
Yeah, uh, stormlight would bethe one that I would choose to
(32:56):
make live action.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
I mean there's going to have to be a series that
follows the source material andjust nails it out of the park,
like someone's got to be one ofthe first.
Like I mean they've hadobviously successful movies
based on books.
But like a series that followsa book and actually does it
amazing, like I mean, game ofthrones did it obviously to the
(33:18):
end, but like we have to havesomething.
It's just so weird to me thatit's like they just keep wanting
to change stuff.
Like I just don't, I can'tunderstand it, man I truly,
unless it's ego.
I mean, if it's ego, fine.
But like how many times do theyhave to do that, where they
just get something canceled likethis?
Speaker 1 (33:37):
well, that's the thing you are hiring writers for
a television that do not give ashit about the source material
but that's my point you don'thire those freaking people.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
You don't hire those people, you get their right, I
love it yeah, but that's not howhollywood works, bro.
I know, but know but it should,but it's never going to be.
It's going to have to if theyever want to break the mold bro,
hollywood isn't merit-based.
Hollywood is popularity-based,that's true, but even to that
point I mean look what happenedto good old Witcher.
They were like, hey, you're tooobsessed with the sword of
Achille.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
You're fired.
But that's yeah, that's mypoint the star of the show.
He made too much noise.
Yeah, they said, be quiet boy,and you know he had just been
released from superman.
If you're gonna cut a dude,that's the perfect time to do
him yeah, and look what's gonnahappen.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
The the lesser hemsworth is gonna run that show
god, you the lesser hemsworth.
You're absolutely right, though, like I, like the kid but he,
he's not he's not, he's not main, he's not bro what were you in
hunger games?
Speaker 1 (34:39):
you sucked.
Is that the last thing he did?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
yeah, he's a decent actor.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
He's a decent actor.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
He's not leading man material, bro.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
I'm sorry he's not what.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
He's not gerald gerald, he is not well, I'm not
gonna watch it anyway, justbecause I was already getting
annoyed anyway and now I'm gonnaprotest not watch it, because I
actually like henry and you didhim dirty and I don't want to
support.
So I've that kind of bullshit.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah, right that.
And I've read the witchernovels and they're doing the
character dirty.
Yeah, it's just, it's a, it's alot.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
It's another.
It's another example, though,of a studio, or nefla, whatever.
Well, hey, we're gonna do itthis way.
Shut up, like there.
There's gotta actually funnyenough.
Last of us right now is kind ofgoing through this with their
second season.
People are it's dead, the showis destroyed, and but the first
season was pretty good, followedit pretty well, like people
(35:30):
really liked it.
And I understand the secondgame.
What happens in the second game?
No, I mean, it's not a spoiler,who?
Everyone knows that whathappens.
But, like the other, they'readding stuff that people are
getting pissed like.
I've actually dropped it.
I'm like you know what?
I'm out.
I'm just not feeling it.
I'm not gonna waste my timewatching a show now.
Funny enough, the first episodewas awesome and I was hooked,
(35:51):
and then the more went on.
I'm like Ellie's supposed to befull of rage, she's supposed to
be wanting to kill every singlemotherfucker around and she's on
a road trip, she's having Joeand she's in college, can't read
a map.
I'm like I'm out, like I'm justdone.
I'm not going to support stuffthat you're not going to follow
it.
I just can't, bro, I'm justdone.
I can't do it anymore.
(36:12):
And you know, as a writer, Ialways wonder, like I would hope
that I would have the courageto say if you're not going to do
it, I don't want to do whatevermovie or series, because you
know you're either going to bethe Stephen King, and it's
horrible and you get two decentadaptions of your stuff, or
you're going to be you know whatI mean, or you're going to be
Sanderson, who's like I'm notdoing this unless I know it's
(36:34):
going to be done right, I wouldnot be surprised if Sanderson
starts his own productioncompany.
He should do it.
He's going to have to do itbecause it's going to take
somebody like that that doesn'tneed the money or want that
money that comes from that andlike, no, I'm going to adapt my
thing the right way.
It's going to have to takesomebody to just go balls out
and just do it and make a giantsuccess.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Should we dive into more things that piss us off?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Oh man, yeah, you start this one, because I know
you're itching to get to that,dude, I'm just disappointed.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
All right, let's dive into Realm Room.
Okay, let's do it.
We didn't bring any articlesthis week, just stuff that's
popped off in the fantasy world,or you know.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, you got the anime one, I got the book one.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Bro, why does solo leveling got to win anime of the
year?
I love that show, but that'snot anime of the year material.
You know why.
Though, come on, you have toanswer.
I know why.
I know why, and it pisses meoff.
I expected that the fans ofFree Run, the intelligent anime
fans, would show up and say thiswas a better made show, this
had a better story, this hadbetter character growth.
(37:40):
Anime of the year.
Nope, we gave it to the fuckingidiot with a knife, and I love
the show, but come on, man broaction, action, action, action
action we gave it to the aurafarmer and that's our farmer.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
100, that is what it is, or a farming yeah, look it's
but here's my take on that.
Even though you're not gonnalike it, at the end of the day I
probably agree.
Although I need to watch for itand actually finish it, I'm
like god about halfway through.
I need to continue that.
But at the end of the day, I weas a community need the soul
leveling stuff, because it's nota manga, it's a manhwa and that
(38:15):
stuff needs to get made and notmade like T-Bait, made with
actually good, and I realizedthat that is important because
that's a breaking the door andthing you know what I mean Like
it's breaking down a barrierthing.
It's important.
Now, are they going to actuallydo that?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Hopefully but I didn't have to give them the
award to break the barrier.
You broke the barrier as soonas you made the show at the
quality level a1 I mean you thequality a1 put into it.
You broke the barrier.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
We we've opened that wide open you don't have to give
them, but there's been plentyof anime that have been amazing
first seasons.
They literally vanish, and youknow that's true sure it is true
doesn't mean they don't deserveanime of the year oh yeah, but
now it's really hard for them tonot finish the story, because
how can they not finish solovely one enemy of the year.
Are you guys kidding me?
Speaker 1 (39:04):
come on, finish the damn anime and honestly I feel
like that's why everybody votedfor it.
I think that's probably whyeven more like there would have
been an announcement the nextseason, maybe people would have
felt comfortable.
Brody, you remember when thelast episode of Solo Loving
dropped, I texted you and I wasliterally like that was series
ending, kind of ending.
(39:25):
That wasn't season ending,ender.
That was like we're nevercoming back to this material,
ender, which is just ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Like why in the world , would you not?
It's been the highest ratedthing which, again, there still
hasn't been an announcement.
There's not gonna be for awhile, and I'm gonna point this
out.
When dragon ball super endedokay, it had the biggest fucking
ratings crashed the internetwhen goku fought jiren, everyone
was like all right, cool, andthey've never announced another
(39:55):
series and I think it's beenseven or eight years.
I think it ended like sevenyears ago or something.
And there's more story.
There was manga that there'slike there's like three more
arcs or something that theycould do and they've never
announced it.
They made this freaking onewhere he's a kid again for some
reason, you know, but like, so Idon't know if that's what solo
(40:15):
level is gonna do.
Maybe people are freaked outand that's maybe that's part of
it?
I, I don't know I don't know I'mjust irritated again yeah, you
wish there was action anime ofthe year fantasy production.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
I mean, give it anything else.
Production quality of the yearlike I like it best fighting
like best uh best choreography.
Like there are so many othercategories that you that show
other than anime of the year Ijust think not enough people
watch freerun.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
That's probably what it is.
No, I don't think it is that Iknow, I don't.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
It's too bad.
There's a bunch of 12 year oldsusing every single device in
their house to vote 58 milliontimes emails multipleails,
multiple emails, yeah that'swhat happened.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
All right, so let's go.
So you got mad about that.
Let's talk about some bookstuff, which I'm surprised you
weren't.
I think you knew a little bit,maybe, well, maybe you didn't
Did you know anything.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
No, I knew nothing about this.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
You got to hit me with the rest of this because I
was this is bad, so, and I thinkhis name's Luke, something,
jacob or whatever Some name, butanyway, this dude I guess was
on the Bachelor and he'shandsome, which obviously you
would be if you're on the show.
Cool.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Whatever, that's minus two points already.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
We're all happy.
You're handsome, whatever man,and he goes on TikTok or BookTok
, I should say and he startstalking about fantasy series and
different books he loves and heloves fantasy and blah, blah,
blah.
Great, I'm with you, bro, weall do.
We literally have a podcast, Iget it, and I'm not hating on
him because the dream come true.
I mean, nobody's really hatingon him, but they're hating on
the industry.
(41:44):
So what happens is he goes overa concept that he has for a
book or a trilogy or whatevertwo books, and makes TikTok
videos, videos.
And because he's got a largefollowing, because he's, you
know, already kind of famous, hegets a two book deal from a
publisher and, uh, without even,apparently not even, having the
book done or half done,apparently it's in concept stage
(42:06):
is what people are saying.
And, um, as a writer, aself-published person, obviously
I am happy for the dude,because it's a dream to get
published.
But but it's also a slap in theface it's a slap in your face,
man, because you know if you'rewriting it's taking years, and I
mean it's anyone who writesknows like this is hard to do
(42:26):
this and to get a book withouteven gabbing, just having a
concept it must be nice.
It must be fucking nice,brother, because okay, does he?
Speaker 1 (42:38):
is he any kind of published writer, like even a?
Speaker 2 (42:40):
blog, not that I've seen or heard.
I've only heard that he was onthe bachelor and he talked about
a concept and then announced abook deal and then I think he
tried to make a video to smoothit over but it came off kind of
tone deaf and you know, it'sweird.
But here's the weird thing withthis right.
The weird thing with this islike it's not even that people
are mad at him particularly.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah, sure they're mad at the situation.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
slash freaking publishing, because this is
exactly what it is.
They don't, and I'll tell you,because when I submitted, a lot
of this is do you have afollowing?
Oh, maybe we'll publish.
It's a popularity contest now.
But here's what's bad.
At least be honest about it.
The publishing industry likesto pretend oh, it's about the
work, not the popularity.
(43:25):
That's their talking point.
But reality is it is about thefollowers and it is about your
social media following and howmany know how many views you get
, and all that.
Obviously, it makes more senseif you're popular and you get a
book deal, you probably willsell more books.
Nobody's saying businessdoesn't make sense here, but
what?
Speaker 1 (43:41):
we're kind of saying is you should at least have a
published book first.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
You should at least have it done.
Is it done, is it?
Speaker 1 (43:48):
done?
Is it out?
Are you a good writer?
Are you a good writer?
Are you gonna ghost write this?
Well, no, no, that's exactlywhat I was gonna say, because
that's how this is gonna go.
They're gonna ghost write thisthing, uh, and they're just
gonna put his name on it andit's gonna be a.
It's gonna be a gag.
It's gonna be a gag.
The book may or may not be good, it's not gonna be long.
You said it's a two book deal.
Apparently it's a two book deal.
(44:09):
You're not telling much of astory in two books.
So he either doesn't have agreat concept or who knows, bro,
I don't know.
I'll look into it more, buthonestly, like again, it's not
hate towards this guy, it's hatetowards the way the industry is
set up, like I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Well, and it's also the hypocrisy, right, because
like, it's one thing to be like,deal with it, you're popular,
we're going to do that.
It's one thing to have thenerve to stand up as an industry
and say that, it's differentfor you to pretend that it's
about the story.
But then what story has aconcept?
It's not even a written book.
(44:45):
It'd be one thing.
If he's like hey, I actuallyhave a book that I wrote.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
People would still be annoyed.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
We'd still be kind of mad, but at least least you
have it done for you to have aconcept of a book or a rough
draft of a book and get a twobook deal and, by the way, it
could be the best damn writtenthing in the world.
It's gonna get destroyedbecause people are gonna be
pissed.
They're gonna, they're gonnareview, bomb.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
It is what's gonna happen I mean so I don't some
places.
Sure, yeah, on's going to getreviewed.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
No, it's not 4chan man.
This is like all over BookTokit's huge, it's a huge deal dude
.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
My point, though, is it'll be like it'll be still be
like a New York Times number onebestselling book, and then
it'll get review bombed onplaces like BookTok.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
He's going to buy the amount of copies secretly to
get it on the new.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
We don't know for sure that that's the way that
works.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
We suspect I've seen a lot just saying again.
I'm just playing the devil'sadvocate I don't know, bro, I
look I haven't done it, so Idon't know.
I'm just saying I've heard thatit does kind of make some sense
.
But I will say for this dude,like you know, I hope this might
be.
It might be the this you knowthe sword that cuts both ways
(45:55):
situation here, because, okay,it's cool, you got that, but
like people are going to takeout their frustration on you
because you're the one who gotthis for not earning it, sorry,
it's the case right yet and itbetter be a great book and I
hope you don't ghostwrite it,because people are going to
figure it out.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
People are crazy, like I said.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
I hope he's got thick skin.
Yeah, I mean, it might not bethe dream.
He thinks it is because peopleare.
They're not.
This is the kind of thing thatpeople don't let go, because it
just points to like the famousprivilege bullshit stuff.
You know what I mean?
Like come on.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
It is what it is.
We live in a Hollywood world.
I mean, we live in social media.
We live in social media times.
What are we doing right now?
We're recording a podcast,putting it out there.
We're not famous, but thatdoesn't matter.
We're like we're participatingin this.
We can't complain that much.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Hey look, it is what it is, man, if it blows up, it
blows up.
Good luck.
I'm just saying as an author.
It is kind of like dude, comeon buddy.
Yeah, keep it a secret.
(47:03):
You should have waited for awhile, at least have it done,
for sure.
Dude, like at least, yeah, bedone.
Like, oh, I wrote this thingand then not like I have a vague
idea of a concept.
Publishing deal, publishingdeal.
Yeah, man, it's been a greatepisode for sure, dude.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah, I got a good one for you this week, man, I
got a good hot take Okay.
Fantasy prologues Do you skipthem or do you read them?
Speaker 2 (47:17):
How do you skip it?
That is exactly what I said,Dude.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
there's an entire crowd of people on Reddit that
are like I don't have time forprologues, like bro, you're
missing all the context for shitthat happens.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
12 books later.
Bro, you don't have time toread a book?
Sit your ass down.
What are you talking about?
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
To be fair, Brandon Sanderson writes some very long
prologues.
Oh well, but they're amazing.
They're amazing.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
That's a wild.
I would never have thought thatpeople would A not read the
prologue and then B be like,well, I don't have the time.
And then be be like, well, Idon't have the time.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Well, that sounds like you don't know how to read
fast it sounds like a personalproblem, but it sounds like you
weren't interested in this bookat all buddy, that's like
skipping the first 25 minutes ofa movie and be like well I
don't have the time and notunderstanding what's going on.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
That's wild.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
This is, this is the exact same thing as skipping a
morgan freeman voiceover at thebeginning of a movie like bro
you shut your mouth like I meanyou go back and that's like not
reading an epilogue or nothing.
That's crazy, I've never notread an epilogue, but at least
that makes more sense than notreading the prologue yeah, dude,
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the prologue is set up.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
You gotta know that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
Hey, if you're not reading prologues, out there,
grow up or please tell me whyyou don't read prologues other
than I don't have time Because,let's face it, stormlight Way of
Kings.
I already told Jordan that'sdouble prologued, that's got two
prologues before chapter oneeven begins.
But if you're skipping theprologue to read the book.
(48:51):
That book is huge.
Why not just take the extrahour to read the prologue?
And it's not an hour, but mypoint stands.
You're going to spend 50, 60hours reading this book, but you
can't spare 30 minutes for theprologue.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Bro, but you didn't read the full book, then Sorry.
Yeah, exactly, you don't get tocount that.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
You missed something?
I don't know, bro.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Prologues are the best written parts of books, I
think Well that's really thething that's supposed to hook
you into the book to begin with.
To skip it is insane.
That's crazy.
Okay, all right, you blew mymind, I'm done, I give up.
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Yeah, no, I'm out dude.
I was like I, you people comefrom, but just stop, how dare
you somebody wrote I gottadelete my account before I get
infected with this crazy wow allright, hey, read the prologue,
(49:46):
people.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
I'm a writer, I'm read the prologue.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
It's important well, speaking of prologues, I got an
epilogue for you if you enjoyour deep dives and chill fantasy
chats, make sure you'refollowing Realm Jumpers on your
favorite podcast app.
Drop us a rating or review.
It helps more fantasy fans findthe show and if you want to
support us directly, head overto realmjumperspodcastcom to
join our growing community.
Have a good night, thank you.
Welcome to Realm Jumpers.
I'm Andrew, and this is myco-host, jordan.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hey, everyone we're here to dive into the worlds of
fantasy and anime, bringing youepic stories and unforgettable
adventures.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
We'll be talking world building, unforgettable
villains and everything thatmakes these genres legendary.
So let's jump into the realmand everything that makes these
genres legendary.
So let's jump into the realm.
Tonight, we're kicking back anddiving into fantasy books that
have been crowding our shelvesand Kindles lately, from hidden
gems to series.
We just can't seem to quit,even though we should.
This is a laid-back,spoiler-light conversation for
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readers who know the TBR pile isa living growing beast.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Dude my TBR pile.
It's all your fault, man.
You got me back into readingagain and now it just keeps
growing.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yeah, so it's a.
It's a problem.
It's a legitimate problem.
It's a legitimate problem.
I downloaded Kindle on my PCagain, which I had to scab that
app together.
And yeah, don't, don't come atme in the comments.
Amazon sucks.
But I already have 600 plusbooks on Kindle, which that was
(01:11):
the actual point I was gettingto.
I thought I only had about 200to 300 books on Kindle.
No, between light novels andmanga, I've got 600 entries on
my freaking Kindle device.
That's a lot.
It's a lot, um, which is fine.
I've read most of them.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, you're a reading junkie dude, you're like
a master.
Uh, look, I can't, just I can'tblame you only.
I mean we, wife, you made usbuild a library and it's getting
full.
Honestly, you, you got me intoreading again, but when?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I had a library in my living room.
Bro, I've read, bro it's, it'scrazy.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
And then I'm looking at all her books and it's all
you know the girly books, thefate, the romancy, the some of
them are pretty pretty spicy bro, some of these books.
And I'm realizing like, well, Igotta have my some of my stuff
up here.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I can't just be straight although I will say uh,
for spicy women-ledled romancenovels that are fantasy adjacent
yeah like genre.
Yeah, yeah, well adjacent,because it's not 100% fantasy,
right.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
It's close but like there's this series, let me back
up.
I might have it, she might haveit.
My sister was reading a fewdays and, like one of them,
looked interesting, so I pickedit up and read it and it was
part of this series called thedark hunters and bro cool, cool,
cool series title, I don't knowit's.
It's actually cool as hell,it's just a lot of them are
(02:39):
super spicy spicy yeah it's dude, dude.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Here's the funny part , some of them will be.
I'm like I should be like,because we were renovating,
right, so painting, you know,there's like paintings.
So sometimes there's like audiobooks that she has and they're
playing, and I'm in the otherroom like building another
bookshelf for the 20th time andI hear some, some things coming
(03:06):
out and I'm like, hey, yo, whatis this?
I come in, I'm like what areyou listening to?
And she's like it's this book.
So I'm like I gotta startgetting some books.
So thank you for getting meinto miss born, because you're
absolutely welcome, bro.
Yes, that ignited a hole.
Now, um, uh, yeah, I'm goingdown the rabbit hole which we'll
get to all that, but let's dothe other stuff first.
But it's uh, it's been prettycool for sure yeah, well, that,
um, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I guess it's not really even a segue, just for
anyone that's wondering what thehell are we talking?
The whole thing is, you know,realm jumpers was supposed to be
and anime related, um, and wedid cover some of that in the
beginning.
You know, we did a pretty goodsplit in the beginning and then,
like the spring anime seasonkicked off and the hunter's exam
kicked off and we did a lot ofcontent covering anime and you
(03:47):
know we were Jordan and I wereboth just looking at it we
haven't talked about anythingbut anime in weeks, bro.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, it's kind of been a while we had to bring it
back.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
We had to bring it back to the roots.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Because I mean, honestly, like, as good as anime
is, I would rather sit down anddown every day of the week.
Oh yeah, I mean fantasy is, youknow, anime, movies, books,
shows, which you know.
There's a lot that.
Yeah, exactly the whole pointwas it was a broad topic and we
kind of pigeonholed it for alittle bit.
But that's okay, we can, we canopen it all encompassing
fantasy.
Yeah, yep, so we're going to bechatting about some cool books
that we're into, that we startedand just, uh, you know, riffing
, so how did you enjoy mistbornlike, and I I'm just gonna say
(04:29):
that because I know you enjoyedit, but how like?
tell me about it I'm gonna tellyou this I thought you were
blowing smoke up my assoriginally about the magic
system.
That is one of the most uniquemagic systems I've ever actually
it might be the most as far asI know um magic systems ever and
when you were saying it shouldbe animated, like I agree,
(04:50):
because I think it would besuper hard to do in live action
unless you really had a lot ofbudget, uh, to do it.
But, dude, this is great.
I mean my favorite wasdefinitely the first book, was
my favorite of them, but allthree were great.
I mean great endings, greattwists, great.
I was like just hooked, like Ihad to read the whole trilogy as
(05:11):
fast as I could.
I had to see what happened withVin, I had to see how it played
out and I mean there's somethings, of course, I probably
would don't love the most aboutsome of them, but at the end of
the day, a solid trilogy.
And like I'm kind of sadbecause I want to see it in
another form, but I don't knowif it can be done, because I
heard that he kind of bailed ontrying to do it as a series or a
(05:34):
movie because he, he wantscontrol and they won't give it
to him and I'm like dude, don'tdo it without control, because
yeah right so you know that hewrote.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
He, like ghost, wrote the last couple of novels of
Wheel of Time right.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I look, you tell me about that.
I feel like, even if he and Idon't know if he has said it.
So actually, this one, you canat me in the comments If you
know the answer to this.
He might have said this, but Ifeel like him pulling the plug
on Mistborn probably had alittle bit to do with the way
Wheel of Time went.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Well, I read something about that, because,
apparently Because he was vocalabout not.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
He was happy at first and then very not happy.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Well, I heard, that he had like writer's notes or
whatever producer notes,whatever it was, and he would
give them after the first seasonlike, hey, you need to be doing
this.
And that they were like, hey,we don't care, we're doing our
own thing.
And and now we can say it'scanceled.
So good job, guys.
Another series that you knewbetter than the source material
because, right, you're inhollywood, awesome, and you have
(06:38):
destroyed it.
So good job.
Now it's dead.
And once again we're on thesame old train of I don't need
to follow this, the alreadycreated storyline or script or
show or book or whatever game,because you guys know better.
And now we have another badlyadapted series that's canceled,
that will likely never getadapted again because now it's
(07:00):
got that stink of cancellationon it and you know it's.
It's the same old hollywoodstory.
I, I, so I don't blame him onebit that he pulled miss born and
said I'm not gonna do it unlessI have full control.
I mean, I wish some somebodywould just give him money and
let him do it.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Dude, like there's a few projects that I wish people
would just throw like just givehim.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, bro, let him do his thing.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Like, yeah, absolutely, uh, there's some
writers out there that need that, need their series finished,
that honestly, I think theyshould just throw sandra um to
like the rest of it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, just becausewe're never gonna see the other
books and I'm not game ofthrones.
That's not the only one.
That's not the only one.
There's another one.
Uh, there's another seriescalled king killer chronicles by
or king.
(07:45):
Is it king killer chronicles?
It's something.
It's king killer something.
Anyways, patrick rothfuss.
Originally, when he got hisbook deal, you know the whole
premise behind it, and what theypushed out to everyone like
this is what they told everybodyand their mother was that all
three books were done.
Um, books two and three justneeded a little bit of light
polishing.
Right, that's some revisionalstuff.
(08:05):
That was in 2007, when thefirst book came out, so what?
happened?
The second book came out in2000.
They were supposed to bereleased back to back to back
2007, 2008, 2009.
Book two didn't come out until2014.
But was it big?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
oh, it's huge and so it's very popular and it is
fantastic it's great, fantasticwriting.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
But he is one writer that and like I get he's had
some.
He's had some um depressionissues and just like he's had
some life happen to him.
You know what I mean.
Like life happens, I get that,but like I don't know if he's
the one that said he had thestory completely written or if
that was some publishing BS thatthey threw out there to kind of
(08:47):
get everybody to buy in to this.
I don't know, but it looks bad.
It looks bad.
It pisses everybody off there'sother rumors that he's like
stolen money from his fans inlike fundraising type stuff.
Oh man, I don't follow enoughof it anymore at this point.
I don't even follow him onTwitter.
I just want the last book, andthen I want to be, you know what
(09:08):
I mean?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Well, 2014, bro, 11 years ago, man, yeah, exactly so
that was book two was 2014.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
We haven't seen book three yet.
Is the dude older ormiddle-aged?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
He's late 40s.
Okay, so we don't have a georger martin situation.
No, he's not that old.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah, at the at the most he's early 50s, but
honestly I would say mid to late40s I, I don't know, dude,
that's a shame when that happens, man that's just I lost my
entire train of thought becausepatrick rothfuss will do that to
me every time.
Like I will go on a rant andnext thing I we're three levels
deep and hours later and I hadno clue what the initial point
(09:48):
was.
Damn it.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Well, I have you, I got you.
Your point was that can someonefinish the series?
Because clearly he ain't goingto do it.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, no Sanderson.
I wish people would just throwSanderson at several series.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Like hey, finish this one up.
Yeah, please, please finish.
Can he do berserk now?
right, he probably whichactually yeah side note, not to
get into anime, but apparentlythere were chapters coming out.
I was 20 chapters behind, foundout over the weekend and binged
the hell out of it.
Very, I'm loving where it'sgoing.
I'm not gonna go into it, butyeah so.
But his assistant is taking, orhis friend or whatever's taking
(10:23):
over.
Sometimes you get it, sometimesthat's the thing you got to do
it.
So, yeah, not having an endingis the worst, because the
Berserk is like quintessentialgrimdark, like that's that's.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
that's dark for like almost no reason.
Sometimes I think it's justbecause.
Yeah, it's because becauseHomeboy was fighting demons in
real life.
That's what's up.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Bro, absolutely, man, but that's the thing is like,
you're right, sometimes they'relike let's, can someone finish
this?
I mean, I, I'm assuming this iswhat's going to happen to Game
of Thrones.
Yeah, yeah, who knows, dude,because he ain't going to finish
.
He's got two books.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
So yeah, mistborn, I'm glad you loved it and, for
people following along, I kindof recommended that Jordan not
finish like the latter half ofthe series after book three.
Not, not, not read it at all.
Just not read it right now.
There's much more in theCosmere to be explored that.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I think I want to do Stormlight for sure.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, dude, I think you are going like Stormlight is
so up your alley, it's.
I honestly I think you'll, Ithink you're going to get
inspired for you, like yourprojects coming off of
Stormlight.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Well, honestly, bro, this really inspired me to like.
I finished Deck of Fates.
The novel is done.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, you've been writing like a madman Dude.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
So it's and I'm it's gonna be on amazon, probably
pretty soon, because I'muploading everything.
I get the cover like I'm doingall that.
So it'll be up there, um, butif you have, the cover.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Are you still still?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
working on it.
No, we're good to go, man.
I'm just waiting for my proofcopy to come in so I can look at
it.
Um, I did hit five almost 500pages on that one.
That was pretty cool.
I never wrote that much, sothat was cool.
Um what?
Speaker 1 (12:08):
um.
What does that relate to?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
um well, so I think it depends on the size of the
book too.
Obviously it's a big factor ofthat.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Uh, I think it was 80,000 words not 85, I was gonna
try for a hundred like I wasgonna try to run for the 100.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
But I'm like I'm not writing for a word count, like I
know where I wanted to end thefirst book and I reached it, and
I'm like I'm gonna end it theway I want to end.
I don't want to try to like add, pad it up.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
That's perfect for a light novel though.
Anyways, right, because lighten, a long light novel is 80,000
words and I get excited when Isee a long light novel, but I
mean most of them are two tothree hour reads for me.
Yeah, cause you're a robot.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
You're actually AI.
No one knows it.
That's fine.
You replaced the real agent, ohwow.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
So I'm the AI that is constantly arguing against.
Why?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I should be allowed into play Like bro, but would
that not be a good way to comeon that's?
I mean, I guess that's the wayto convince everybody I'm not a
robot, absolutely.
This is the deep fake righthere.
Yeah, dude, this whole, thiswhole podcast.
Dude, we're both ai man.
This is one of those.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Google yeah, folks, I don't look like this.
This isn't my voice, umcomplete.
We're just typing stuff intothe computer and it randomly
spits out whatever.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I'm pretty sure it's messed up, can you?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
believe we're prompts .
Yeah, this is a prompt.
This is a problem.
Let me tell you how to engineeryour life right.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
The uh no, but the you're, you're absolutely right
is like me reading all of it.
It really got me into just justlike overdrive.
It really inspired me.
So if stormlight's even more ofthat, that's great, because you
knowborn, really, it's reallygrabbed me, man.
It was, it was.
I was living in that world fora while.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
So the magic system in Stormlight is awesome and
interesting, but I don't feellike it was as interesting as
Mistborn.
Don't get me wrong.
I love it and it's well-written, but I still feel like
Mistborn's magical system is ait's more fun well, it's just so
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different.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I've never even seen anything like like that was such
a different concept for how touse powers and stuff and like,
and then the medals and whatthey did and each one did
something different, and thenlike dude, that was just, it was
you.
It was very unique, which Ireally like.
That and that's.
I'm only not going to read itfor just the magic system.
Obviously I want action, which,if there's action, I'm all in,
(14:31):
because when you'll trip ballsin the prologue yeah, okay, good
I'll tell you this stormlight,the first book, the way of kings
.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
It's double prologued .
Oh wow, really.
It's got a prologue and then ithas another prologue.
That's cool.
Before you even get to chapterone.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Here's my list.
I have about 150 pages left ofthe Devils by Joe Abercrombie,
which I'm just liking.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
How are you liking that?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Dude.
It's funny because when I firststarted the first part of the
beginning, I'm reading it and hewrites different.
Yeah, he definitely does, it'sdifferent.
So it's weird because I wentfrom Sanderson to this, so I'm
reading it and it's like vulgar,which is fine, I love that and
British kind of, which I lovethat, and I'm kind of like I'm
reading it.
I'm like I don't know if I likethis, but I just kept reading
(15:17):
because I was like I feel likethis is pretty cool.
And then it started gettinginto the characters and it's
like I feel like I'm readingmonster version of the like
suicide squad or something likethe way the characters are.
So I actually am really diggingthe interactions.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
It's funny as shit yeah, the book is hilarious.
Yeah, my first um I I for joeabercrombie I I like the blade
itself better that series, whichI can't remember the name of
that series.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Is it First Law?
Is that that series?
Because I heard that's one ofhis big series.
I don't know, maybe that soundsright.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah, it is, that's First.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Law series Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
The Blade itself is the first book in that First Law
.
And let me say this like yousaid, it's jarring going from
Sanderson or Rothfuss to joeabercrombie, not in a bad way,
it's just.
It's so different written, sodifferent.
Yeah, um that, that's it.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
That's written perfect, jarring 100, because I
was like I almost gave it up inchapter two.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
I I almost put the book down in chapter two, but I,
you know, persevered and itdoes this like it's got a like a
three character focus in theblade itself and two of the
characters I absolutely hated.
Straight off out of jump streetI was like I hate these, like I
don't see redeeming qualities.
Right like I, I can't see anyredeeming qualities for these
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two.
But um no, they brought it back.
Both of the characters I hated.
They're still their same selves, but he put enough life into
the character that I'm like ohyou know, this is actually
believable and I can get behindyour reasoning, even if I still
think you're a dick.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Hey, that's good writing, bro.
If you're able to do that, yeah, like right now.
I mean, I did you you read thedoubles or no?
Have you read that one?
I?
Speaker 1 (17:08):
it just came out, I think I.
I think I audiobook okay, no,no wait, it just came out like
well, maybe it did.
I thought it just came out, Ithink I.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I think I audio book.
Okay, no, no, no, no, wait, itjust came out.
Well, maybe it did.
I thought it just came out likewithin a couple of months,
maybe not, though I don't know.
Look it up.
I feel like I audio booked it,maybe I just.
Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.
Yeah, look it up and see.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
But like the.
I thought it was pretty new.
I know I'm reading the blurbright now.
Brother Diaz summoned to thesacred city.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, I can't.
I can't stand Brother Diaz, butthen I was growing on me, so
maybe that's what's going on.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
OK, so this was published in May.
No, this isn't.
It sounds familiar, but no,this isn't what I audio.
I put this on the list.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
This blurb looks interesting.
No, dude, it's fun if they'reall monsters.
There's a werewolf, a priest,uh, voodoo, or like a magician
don't call him a wizard uh,there.
And then there's like a pirate,like thief, a girl who should
not be a princess.
That actually is a prince, yeah, it's like this whole thing.
And we got a vampire in there,which I die because he's very
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old and decrepit in thebeginning.
When they get him in the celllike dracula, like he's just
yeah, he's old and saggy.
But as the book goes on, hestarts looking younger and
younger and younger and they'relike are you feeding on people,
like you know?
It's so funny.
So it's, dude, it's a fun bookman.
He's like no, I don't know whatyou mean.
No, it's, it's a fucking funnybook, dude, I just be laughing,
(18:32):
it's so fun.
The werewolf dude is like themost interesting version of a
werewolf I think I've ever seenin, ever in in media, ever
devised like super cool, you'regonna dig it.
Dude it's but I was jarring isthe right word, because at first
I'm like I don't think I likethis.
Like everyone says this is goodand it's funny and fantasy and
(18:53):
dark, and I'm reading it likethis is so different than
sanderson I think that I neededjust a couple chapters.
Well, dude, it's amazing.
It's just a different type ofwriting.
So no, but I'm very vulgar,brutal, brutal, like when the
werewolves going on a rampagedude, that is one of the most
visual.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Like, oh shit so it's laid itself that has got some
pretty grisly torture scenes andI'm like, oh my god, bro, dude
like I mean the world's bitingheads, and it's very descriptive
.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Man like the the good she calls it the good meat.
Who's got the good meat?
I'm like, oh my Dude, you'regoing to like it.
It's a great, it's good man.
Yeah, all right, that's goingon.
Yeah, all right, well.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Jordan has completely dived into high fantasy lately.
I kind of took a little bit ofa back seat and this probably
won't surprise anybody.
Now I read a book called he, ora series of books called he,
who fights with monsters, and Ifeel like I've heard of that
(19:57):
title before, like I'm prettysure the author is american, but
it's written sort of in thelight novel style, sort of this
is where it gets really weird,right, because technically it's
an isekai, because he leavesearth and gets transplanted to
another fantasy, right.
Well, that is well, yeah, butthen it's.
It's written like a regularfantasy series, like interesting
(20:18):
, not written like a harem typeisekai thing.
Um, yeah, like he immediatelyfalls into the hands of, like
this, uh, cannibal cult.
Yeah, yeah, and like the, thecharacter Jason, he's like this
snarky little asshole.
I mean, he's funny as hell andI don't know.
I don't even really know how todescribe that, because I've
(20:41):
heard that people either love itor hate it.
I'm on the love it list, okay,it's one of those.
Yeah, yeah, there are timeswhen the author has gotten to
points I think it was like bookseven for me where I was like,
oh, dear God, I just need tofinish this book so I can get to
book eight, because book eightgoes back to more interesting
(21:03):
stuff.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
And then he ends up kind of aworld hopper in his own universe
, like he goes from the fantasyland back to earth and then back
to the fantasy land and thenback to over the series over the
course of 12 books.
That's crazy, yeah and it's.
It is very good.
It's written pretty well.
Um, it's not.
(21:24):
You know, we just establishedthat you don't have to be
sanderson to be a great author.
Um so it's not sanderson, likethe prose isn't.
The prose is more, um, modernbecause you know it's, it's a
guy from modern australia, youknow he's not, um, yeah, it's
not old-timey, like even the uh,the fantasy world, although it
(21:46):
is like a fantasy world.
They have some tech, like theyhave some magic tech, so they're
not completely tech, so they'renot completely like.
You know, we just discoveredfire, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah, they're not like, not like, super like
Stoney G, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, so you know they speak modern, which is fine
.
That part is a little bitjarring.
Like if you were expecting afull fantasy like high fantasy
thing they're not.
There's no Tolkien speak.
You know, nobody sounds likethat.
Like if you were expecting afull fantasy like high fantasy
thing uh, they're, they're not.
There's no tolkien speak.
Um, you know, no, nobody soundslike that.
But it's very good, dude, I Ienjoyed it.
Um, I don't even know how Idiscovered that.
(22:23):
Like, I don't know, dude, I getthe email.
Like god, I hate freaking gmailman.
Um, I get, I, you know, I getthe emails from Amazon that are
here are series you might like.
You might like this.
I do like this Now.
I'm going to go F you for makingme read 12 new books.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
So their, their, their profile view is like very
fine tuned that they're very,it's very, it's very on on brand
.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
They've got me down.
They've got me down.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Well, it's cool, though You're finding new stuff
like that.
I mean, I'm pretty much gettingthem from you.
Although I did join a bookFacebook group that's where I
saw devil.
It was like, wait, what is this?
And I read that it was like, oh, it's got a vampire world and
this is like a fan like they're.
They're villains.
Okay, let's check this out.
So that's.
(23:13):
I started reading T-Bait again,Did you?
Is there more?
Is there new ones?
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Is that what it is that you didn't know.
No, I just a couple of thingsin the anime popped me off and I
was like I don't, you know, Iknow it didn't happen that way.
I mean, anime changes stuff allthe time, but you know it was
bugging me.
So I was like I need to gocheck this out.
So yeah, now I'm back in likebook four of rereading it, of
T-Bate rereads, and currentlythere's 11 published.
So I'll be done with those bythe end of the week probably.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
So I have a question is maybe I saw this on posts and
I don't maybe you've uh, youknow what or read it, or I don't
know if it's overhyped, or Ikind of maybe know a little bit
of what it is, but I didn'treally dive too deep because I
don't want to add too much tothe list, because I already got
stormlight in there, first lawsin there.
I don't want to put too manythings because then I'm gonna
get like now, put all the thingson the list, put all the things
(23:56):
yeah, what is?
um, have you heard this dungeon,dungeon crawler, carl thing?
What is?
What is this about?
So I haven't checked it out.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I haven't checked it out yet, but um like it's, like,
there's a there's a growingthing on tiktok apparently,
where it's like you either lovehe who Fights With Monsters and
hate Dungeon Crawler Carl, oryou love Dungeon Crawler Carl
and you hate he who Fights WithMonsters?
I don't know.
I'm going to have to go readthem now and really see if it's
like is it really that black andwhite?
(24:25):
Like do you hate one and lovethe other?
Because obviously I alreadylove he who Fights With Monsters
.
So that would mean I'm gonnahave to automatically hate
dungeon crawler carl, and thenyou're gonna read it and be like
oh, I actually like this, right?
Yeah, no, that's actually whatI'm worried about is, I don't
know how many books there are inthat series and I'm gonna have
to dive into this and read themall to be able to tell you
whether or not it's accuratelike I saw the cover, I was like
(24:47):
what is this?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
and then I was like kind of read a little bit.
I'm like this kind of seemsinteresting.
I was like I wonder if he everread this.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah I haven't, I've just heard of it and there's
stuff on book talk about it, soyeah, I started seeing that
apparently it's pretty.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, it's very.
It's getting blown up, I guess,over there.
So I was wondering, like man, Iwonder.
I want your advice, youropinion on it, because we have
similar tastes.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
So I, I'm probably.
Yeah, we'll talk about it in anepisode or two, because I'm I'm
probably gonna read at least acouple of the next see, if you
like it.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I don't know how many there are.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I don't know, I don't , I don't want to know, I don't
I don't want to know, becausethen you'll end up down a rabbit
hole.
Reading 15 I'm screwed eitherway, because I'm gonna read them
you have to read it now.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
You have to.
I have to at least read onethat doesn't mean I have to.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I have to at least read one.
That doesn't mean I have tofinish the series, but if I pick
up one book like there aren'tvery many books that I've
started reading and just beenlike I'm not reading any more of
this Game of Thrones book five.
That was it for me for Game ofThrones.
You're like I'm done 50, 50pages in 50 pages and I was like
I'm done, I don't care anymore.
(25:49):
Done, I don't care anymore.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I waited too long and we spend 50 pages talking about
shit I don't care about.
That's the problem.
Well, I've never read those,that series.
I will never read it now.
So, whatever I watched the show,whatever, my theory is that he
did want to end it that way.
He saw how mad people were andhe was like, okay, I have to do,
and that's why it's taking,you're screwed now, yeah, you,
you totally ruined it because healways said, well, I'm working
with them and they know what Iwant to do.
And then everyone hated it andhe's like, uh, oops, yeah, which
(26:19):
is I?
Every like once, I swear, oncea week I just get a random
thought like that was thebiggest show in the world and
literally just fell off the faceof the fucking earth on that
last season.
And now everyone is like f thatshit, like it's just the ending
, just it overshadows the wholething.
There was a lot of cool stuffin that show and unfortunately,
(26:41):
you know, the ending last seasonjust really just kind of like
it, just it's you got to end it,right, I say you have to have a
good ending.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
For me, there just wasn't.
I don't know.
There was never enough magic inthat series to begin with oh,
there's magic, but we're notgonna really show.
Yeah, yeah, right, yeah likewhat magic didn't show up until,
I don't know, a season, late,season two.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Well, a lot of the stuff just fell off the anywhere
, like the girl that was theblood priestess that birthed a
blood demon to kill the guy andthen nothing ever happened from
that again, what was the pointof?
Yeah, there was some definitelydropped uh story.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, yeah I don't know, bro it's.
It's why the the book market iskind of out of control and the
shows, uh, that are getting madeoff of like.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
yes, game of thrones was, yeah, sure For the most
part, but the reputation of itnow it's like it's not like, oh
my God, it's amazing.
It's like it was great, but theending it's like there's that
Wheel of.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Time was.
I watched it.
I enjoyed it mostly, but I'm adiehard book fan, so like that
show was always going to piss mehard, that's right.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Well, but I'm a diehard book fan, so like that
show was always going to piss mehard, less Right.
Well, I didn't read the bookand I watched the show and there
was a lot of I will tell youthat I was like I don't care
about, like most of what'shappening, less rands and in the
scenes, like I just I didn'teven care.
So they they failed somewhereCause they're not even pulling.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Supposedly I'm the book they didn't really like I
was watching because I liked itby the time.
Books five rolls around um randis still my favorite, but
really matt has become myfavorite by like five that's
what?
Speaker 2 (28:24):
yeah, a lot of people say that, so maybe they didn't
get there in the show.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Matt's got a killer story arc, um, and I hesitate to
even call it redemption arcbecause it's not.
It's I mean, maybe there is alittle, but it's not redemption.
Matt is pushing.
Matt pushes the hardest againstthe fate, right, the fate of,
like the wheel, like whateverything?
Yeah, um, and I don't.
I I'm just trying to think.
I can't think of a single timewhere he ever just kicks back
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and accepts fate, like he fightsit tooth and nail the entire
way.
Um, and that's what makes itinteresting to me.
Yeah, it's cool and yeah, likehe just becomes a solid
character.
Like I hated matt in book one,like I was like, oh, they just
let this guy die.
Um, no, I'm dead ass.
Like just let him die thiswhiny little bitch.
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Like you stole a dagger.
Then he grows on you.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Then you're like oh, I actually like him now.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Okay.
So maybe there is someredemption, right, but there's
some character growth.
He has some growth.
I still don't want to call itredemption because it doesn't
feel like redemption, like it'snot.
Like he was evil oh no, no, hewas evil, shit.
Uh.
So maybe he was okay.
He was not purposefully evil,right, he did not make a choice
(29:38):
to go like murder the town ofsan vaganza or some bullcrap you
know, and then like, oh, fivethousand years later, I feel bad
for being a terrible person.
It's not like that.
He stole a dagger that turnedhim um.
So, yeah, still to me not aredemption, character growth for
sure, but not a red, but that'sgreat writing when you can do
that.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Though when you can turn a character, you're just
like dude, this guy's obnoxious,I can't stand this character.
And you're like, okay, he'skind of cool or you actually
really like him.
You know that's honestly.
Sanderson did it with uhhomeboy and miss born.
I could not a eland or whatever.
I could not stand him in thisland yeah yeah, I'm like dude,
this guy's just like he's rich,like he's cool, that he's like
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doesn't look at sky like slaves,whatever, but like he's not
that interesting.
And honestly it was a littlejarring because by the last book
now he's misborn.
He's super strong, completelydifferent, which I understand.
They needed to do that for thatthird book because of where it
was going.
But I do remember, because Iread it so back to back like
(30:39):
that, that I was very jarred.
I was like I kind of wish Iwould have saw more of like how
did he become?
Because he literally went fromlike you know, had to be
protected, constantly dying.
Brought him back Next book.
It's been a year of war andhe's a wholly different
character.
You didn't really see thetransformation, but I did like
him in the third book.
(30:59):
So I was like, okay, he'spretty much a bad man.
I can respect him a little bit.
He did some cool stuff.
He did some cool stuff.
It kind of felt given to him ina way because you know he had
the pure pearl, whatever.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
It was the thing that made him like the original
Mistborn, like stronger than therest you know, it's kind of
like wait till you meet Kaladin,wait till you meet Kaladin and
Adolin in uh Stormlight is thata good thing or a bad thing?
I cannot wait to hear yourcharacter takes on Kaladin and
Adolin.
(31:32):
Okay, I'll remember those.
Um yeah, adolin, you like not adirect comparison to a lind,
because he's a born warrior ohyeah, because he was a scholar.
So yeah, yeah, no.
But adolin in stormlight, he'sa born war, um, but he was also
born with a silver spoon.
He's royalty, uh.
(31:53):
Kaladin, on the other hand, isbasically a second class citizen
that you know like has to fightfor everything.
He's got a chip on his shoulderfor a long time, like.
He pisses me off for quite awhile, um.
But yeah, like I I want to hear, like, after you read at least
one or two of those novels, I, Iwant to hear your take on
whether, because adolin's one ofthose guys you can hate, and
(32:15):
some people never stop hatinghim, I don't.
I like him, I like solidcharacter.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Well-written, so does this one have a chance to be
made, or that's he's like no,we're not doing this until I
know that I have rights to dothis as a show or a movie or
something, because you said thatthis stormlight would be a
better series.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Right, like visually visually as a movie, as a live
action.
Stormlight is the better choicefor live action.
Um, still be cooler as an anime, but as a live action that
would be like if I had to, youknow, go through the cosmere and
pick um like you can eithermake this or make this right.
Yeah, uh, stormlight would bethe one that I would choose to
(32:56):
make live action.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
I mean there's going to have to be a series that
follows the source material andjust nails it out of the park,
like someone's got to be one ofthe first.
Like I mean they've hadobviously successful movies
based on books.
But like a series that followsa book and actually does it
amazing, like I mean, game ofthrones did it obviously to the
(33:18):
end, but like we have to havesomething.
It's just so weird to me thatit's like they just keep wanting
to change stuff.
Like I just don't, I can'tunderstand it, man I truly,
unless it's ego.
I mean, if it's ego, fine.
But like how many times do theyhave to do that, where they
just get something canceled likethis?
Speaker 1 (33:37):
well, that's the thing you are hiring writers for
a television that do not give ashit about the source material
but that's my point you don'thire those freaking people.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
You don't hire those people, you get their right, I
love it yeah, but that's not howhollywood works, bro.
I know, but know but it should,but it's never going to be.
It's going to have to if theyever want to break the mold bro,
hollywood isn't merit-based.
Hollywood is popularity-based,that's true, but even to that
point I mean look what happenedto good old Witcher.
They were like, hey, you're tooobsessed with the sword of
Achille.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
You're fired.
But that's yeah, that's mypoint the star of the show.
He made too much noise.
Yeah, they said, be quiet boy,and you know he had just been
released from superman.
If you're gonna cut a dude,that's the perfect time to do
him yeah, and look what's gonnahappen.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
The the lesser hemsworth is gonna run that show
god, you the lesser hemsworth.
You're absolutely right, though, like I, like the kid but he,
he's not he's not, he's not main, he's not bro what were you in
hunger games?
Speaker 1 (34:39):
you sucked.
Is that the last thing he did?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
yeah, he's a decent actor.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
He's a decent actor.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
He's not leading man material, bro.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
I'm sorry he's not what.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
He's not gerald gerald, he is not well, I'm not
gonna watch it anyway, justbecause I was already getting
annoyed anyway and now I'm gonnaprotest not watch it, because I
actually like henry and you didhim dirty and I don't want to
support.
So I've that kind of bullshit.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah, right that.
And I've read the witchernovels and they're doing the
character dirty.
Yeah, it's just, it's a, it's alot.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
It's another.
It's another example, though,of a studio, or nefla, whatever.
Well, hey, we're gonna do itthis way.
Shut up, like there.
There's gotta actually funnyenough.
Last of us right now is kind ofgoing through this with their
second season.
People are it's dead, the showis destroyed, and but the first
season was pretty good, followedit pretty well, like people
(35:30):
really liked it.
And I understand the secondgame.
What happens in the second game?
No, I mean, it's not a spoiler,who?
Everyone knows that whathappens.
But, like the other, they'readding stuff that people are
getting pissed like.
I've actually dropped it.
I'm like you know what?
I'm out.
I'm just not feeling it.
I'm not gonna waste my timewatching a show now.
Funny enough, the first episodewas awesome and I was hooked,
(35:51):
and then the more went on.
I'm like Ellie's supposed to befull of rage, she's supposed to
be wanting to kill every singlemotherfucker around and she's on
a road trip, she's having Joeand she's in college, can't read
a map.
I'm like I'm out, like I'm justdone.
I'm not going to support stuffthat you're not going to follow
it.
I just can't, bro, I'm justdone.
I can't do it anymore.
(36:12):
And you know, as a writer, Ialways wonder, like I would hope
that I would have the courageto say if you're not going to do
it, I don't want to do whatevermovie or series, because you
know you're either going to bethe Stephen King, and it's
horrible and you get two decentadaptions of your stuff, or
you're going to be you know whatI mean, or you're going to be
Sanderson, who's like I'm notdoing this unless I know it's
(36:34):
going to be done right, I wouldnot be surprised if Sanderson
starts his own productioncompany.
He should do it.
He's going to have to do itbecause it's going to take
somebody like that that doesn'tneed the money or want that
money that comes from that andlike, no, I'm going to adapt my
thing the right way.
It's going to have to takesomebody to just go balls out
and just do it and make a giantsuccess.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Should we dive into more things that piss us off?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Oh man, yeah, you start this one, because I know
you're itching to get to that,dude, I'm just disappointed.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
All right, let's dive into Realm Room.
Okay, let's do it.
We didn't bring any articlesthis week, just stuff that's
popped off in the fantasy world,or you know.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, you got the anime one, I got the book one.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Bro, why does solo leveling got to win anime of the
year?
I love that show, but that'snot anime of the year material.
You know why.
Though, come on, you have toanswer.
I know why.
I know why, and it pisses meoff.
I expected that the fans ofFree Run, the intelligent anime
fans, would show up and say thiswas a better made show, this
had a better story, this hadbetter character growth.
(37:40):
Anime of the year.
Nope, we gave it to the fuckingidiot with a knife, and I love
the show, but come on, man broaction, action, action, action
action we gave it to the aurafarmer and that's our farmer.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
100, that is what it is, or a farming yeah, look it's
but here's my take on that.
Even though you're not gonnalike it, at the end of the day I
probably agree.
Although I need to watch for itand actually finish it, I'm
like god about halfway through.
I need to continue that.
But at the end of the day, I weas a community need the soul
leveling stuff, because it's nota manga, it's a manhwa and that
(38:15):
stuff needs to get made and notmade like T-Bait, made with
actually good, and I realizedthat that is important because
that's a breaking the door andthing you know what I mean Like
it's breaking down a barrierthing.
It's important.
Now, are they going to actuallydo that?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Hopefully but I didn't have to give them the
award to break the barrier.
You broke the barrier as soonas you made the show at the
quality level a1 I mean you thequality a1 put into it.
You broke the barrier.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
We we've opened that wide open you don't have to give
them, but there's been plentyof anime that have been amazing
first seasons.
They literally vanish, and youknow that's true sure it is true
doesn't mean they don't deserveanime of the year oh yeah, but
now it's really hard for them tonot finish the story, because
how can they not finish solovely one enemy of the year.
Are you guys kidding me?
Speaker 1 (39:04):
come on, finish the damn anime and honestly I feel
like that's why everybody votedfor it.
I think that's probably whyeven more like there would have
been an announcement the nextseason, maybe people would have
felt comfortable.
Brody, you remember when thelast episode of Solo Loving
dropped, I texted you and I wasliterally like that was series
ending, kind of ending.
(39:25):
That wasn't season ending,ender.
That was like we're nevercoming back to this material,
ender, which is just ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Like why in the world , would you not?
It's been the highest ratedthing which, again, there still
hasn't been an announcement.
There's not gonna be for awhile, and I'm gonna point this
out.
When dragon ball super endedokay, it had the biggest fucking
ratings crashed the internetwhen goku fought jiren, everyone
was like all right, cool, andthey've never announced another
(39:55):
series and I think it's beenseven or eight years.
I think it ended like sevenyears ago or something.
And there's more story.
There was manga that there'slike there's like three more
arcs or something that theycould do and they've never
announced it.
They made this freaking onewhere he's a kid again for some
reason, you know, but like, so Idon't know if that's what solo
(40:15):
level is gonna do.
Maybe people are freaked outand that's maybe that's part of
it?
I, I don't know I don't know I'mjust irritated again yeah, you
wish there was action anime ofthe year fantasy production.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
I mean, give it anything else.
Production quality of the yearlike I like it best fighting
like best uh best choreography.
Like there are so many othercategories that you that show
other than anime of the year Ijust think not enough people
watch freerun.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
That's probably what it is.
No, I don't think it is that Iknow, I don't.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
It's too bad.
There's a bunch of 12 year oldsusing every single device in
their house to vote 58 milliontimes emails multipleails,
multiple emails, yeah that'swhat happened.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
All right, so let's go.
So you got mad about that.
Let's talk about some bookstuff, which I'm surprised you
weren't.
I think you knew a little bit,maybe, well, maybe you didn't
Did you know anything.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
No, I knew nothing about this.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
You got to hit me with the rest of this because I
was this is bad, so, and I thinkhis name's Luke, something,
jacob or whatever Some name, butanyway, this dude I guess was
on the Bachelor and he'shandsome, which obviously you
would be if you're on the show.
Cool.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Whatever, that's minus two points already.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
We're all happy.
You're handsome, whatever man,and he goes on TikTok or BookTok
, I should say and he startstalking about fantasy series and
different books he loves and heloves fantasy and blah, blah,
blah.
Great, I'm with you, bro, weall do.
We literally have a podcast, Iget it, and I'm not hating on
him because the dream come true.
I mean, nobody's really hatingon him, but they're hating on
the industry.
(41:44):
So what happens is he goes overa concept that he has for a
book or a trilogy or whatevertwo books, and makes TikTok
videos, videos.
And because he's got a largefollowing, because he's, you
know, already kind of famous, hegets a two book deal from a
publisher and, uh, without even,apparently not even, having the
book done or half done,apparently it's in concept stage
(42:06):
is what people are saying.
And, um, as a writer, aself-published person, obviously
I am happy for the dude,because it's a dream to get
published.
But but it's also a slap in theface it's a slap in your face,
man, because you know if you'rewriting it's taking years, and I
mean it's anyone who writesknows like this is hard to do
(42:26):
this and to get a book withouteven gabbing, just having a
concept it must be nice.
It must be fucking nice,brother, because okay, does he?
Speaker 1 (42:38):
is he any kind of published writer, like even a?
Speaker 2 (42:40):
blog, not that I've seen or heard.
I've only heard that he was onthe bachelor and he talked about
a concept and then announced abook deal and then I think he
tried to make a video to smoothit over but it came off kind of
tone deaf and you know, it'sweird.
But here's the weird thing withthis right.
The weird thing with this islike it's not even that people
are mad at him particularly.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah, sure they're mad at the situation.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
slash freaking publishing, because this is
exactly what it is.
They don't, and I'll tell you,because when I submitted, a lot
of this is do you have afollowing?
Oh, maybe we'll publish.
It's a popularity contest now.
But here's what's bad.
At least be honest about it.
The publishing industry likesto pretend oh, it's about the
work, not the popularity.
(43:25):
That's their talking point.
But reality is it is about thefollowers and it is about your
social media following and howmany know how many views you get
, and all that.
Obviously, it makes more senseif you're popular and you get a
book deal, you probably willsell more books.
Nobody's saying businessdoesn't make sense here, but
what?
Speaker 1 (43:41):
we're kind of saying is you should at least have a
published book first.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
You should at least have it done.
Is it done, is it?
Speaker 1 (43:48):
done?
Is it out?
Are you a good writer?
Are you a good writer?
Are you gonna ghost write this?
Well, no, no, that's exactlywhat I was gonna say, because
that's how this is gonna go.
They're gonna ghost write thisthing, uh, and they're just
gonna put his name on it andit's gonna be a.
It's gonna be a gag.
It's gonna be a gag.
The book may or may not be good, it's not gonna be long.
You said it's a two book deal.
Apparently it's a two book deal.
(44:09):
You're not telling much of astory in two books.
So he either doesn't have agreat concept or who knows, bro,
I don't know.
I'll look into it more, buthonestly, like again, it's not
hate towards this guy, it's hatetowards the way the industry is
set up, like I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Well, and it's also the hypocrisy, right, because
like, it's one thing to be like,deal with it, you're popular,
we're going to do that.
It's one thing to have thenerve to stand up as an industry
and say that, it's differentfor you to pretend that it's
about the story.
But then what story has aconcept?
It's not even a written book.
(44:45):
It'd be one thing.
If he's like hey, I actuallyhave a book that I wrote.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
People would still be annoyed.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
We'd still be kind of mad, but at least least you
have it done for you to have aconcept of a book or a rough
draft of a book and get a twobook deal and, by the way, it
could be the best damn writtenthing in the world.
It's gonna get destroyedbecause people are gonna be
pissed.
They're gonna, they're gonnareview, bomb.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
It is what's gonna happen I mean so I don't some
places.
Sure, yeah, on's going to getreviewed.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
No, it's not 4chan man.
This is like all over BookTokit's huge, it's a huge deal dude
.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
My point, though, is it'll be like it'll be still be
like a New York Times number onebestselling book, and then
it'll get review bombed onplaces like BookTok.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
He's going to buy the amount of copies secretly to
get it on the new.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
We don't know for sure that that's the way that
works.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
We suspect I've seen a lot just saying again.
I'm just playing the devil'sadvocate I don't know, bro, I
look I haven't done it, so Idon't know.
I'm just saying I've heard thatit does kind of make some sense
.
But I will say for this dude,like you know, I hope this might
be.
It might be the this you knowthe sword that cuts both ways
(45:55):
situation here, because, okay,it's cool, you got that, but
like people are going to takeout their frustration on you
because you're the one who gotthis for not earning it, sorry,
it's the case right yet and itbetter be a great book and I
hope you don't ghostwrite it,because people are going to
figure it out.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
People are crazy, like I said.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
I hope he's got thick skin.
Yeah, I mean, it might not bethe dream.
He thinks it is because peopleare.
They're not.
This is the kind of thing thatpeople don't let go, because it
just points to like the famousprivilege bullshit stuff.
You know what I mean?
Like come on.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
It is what it is.
We live in a Hollywood world.
I mean, we live in social media.
We live in social media times.
What are we doing right now?
We're recording a podcast,putting it out there.
We're not famous, but thatdoesn't matter.
We're like we're participatingin this.
We can't complain that much.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Hey look, it is what it is, man, if it blows up, it
blows up.
Good luck.
I'm just saying as an author.
It is kind of like dude, comeon buddy.
Yeah, keep it a secret.
(47:03):
You should have waited for awhile, at least have it done,
for sure.
Dude, like at least, yeah, bedone.
Like, oh, I wrote this thingand then not like I have a vague
idea of a concept.
Publishing deal, publishingdeal.
Yeah, man, it's been a greatepisode for sure, dude.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah, I got a good one for you this week, man, I
got a good hot take Okay.
Fantasy prologues Do you skipthem or do you read them?
Speaker 2 (47:17):
How do you skip it?
That is exactly what I said,Dude.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
there's an entire crowd of people on Reddit that
are like I don't have time forprologues, like bro, you're
missing all the context for shitthat happens.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
12 books later.
Bro, you don't have time toread a book?
Sit your ass down.
What are you talking about?
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
To be fair, Brandon Sanderson writes some very long
prologues.
Oh well, but they're amazing.
They're amazing.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
That's a wild.
I would never have thought thatpeople would A not read the
prologue and then B be like,well, I don't have the time.
And then be be like, well, Idon't have the time.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Well, that sounds like you don't know how to read
fast it sounds like a personalproblem, but it sounds like you
weren't interested in this bookat all buddy, that's like
skipping the first 25 minutes ofa movie and be like well I
don't have the time and notunderstanding what's going on.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
That's wild.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
This is, this is the exact same thing as skipping a
morgan freeman voiceover at thebeginning of a movie like bro
you shut your mouth like I meanyou go back and that's like not
reading an epilogue or nothing.
That's crazy, I've never notread an epilogue, but at least
that makes more sense than notreading the prologue yeah, dude,
(48:28):
the prologue is set up.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
You gotta know that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
Hey, if you're not reading prologues, out there,
grow up or please tell me whyyou don't read prologues other
than I don't have time Because,let's face it, stormlight Way of
Kings.
I already told Jordan that'sdouble prologued, that's got two
prologues before chapter oneeven begins.
But if you're skipping theprologue to read the book.
(48:51):
That book is huge.
Why not just take the extrahour to read the prologue?
And it's not an hour, but mypoint stands.
You're going to spend 50, 60hours reading this book, but you
can't spare 30 minutes for theprologue.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Bro, but you didn't read the full book, then Sorry.
Yeah, exactly, you don't get tocount that.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
You missed something?
I don't know, bro.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Prologues are the best written parts of books, I
think Well that's really thething that's supposed to hook
you into the book to begin with.
To skip it is insane.
That's crazy.
Okay, all right, you blew mymind, I'm done, I give up.
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Yeah, no, I'm out dude.
I was like I, you people comefrom, but just stop, how dare
you somebody wrote I gottadelete my account before I get
infected with this crazy wow allright, hey, read the prologue,
(49:46):
people.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
I'm a writer, I'm read the prologue.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
It's important well, speaking of prologues, I got an
epilogue for you if you enjoyour deep dives and chill fantasy
chats, make sure you'refollowing Realm Jumpers on your
favorite podcast app.
Drop us a rating or review.
It helps more fantasy fans findthe show and if you want to
support us directly, head overto realmjumperspodcastcom to
join our growing community.
Have a good night, thank you.
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