February 6, 2025 • 31 mins
Our origin story unfolds as we share our intertwining paths through the worlds of fantasy and anime, exploring our motivations for launching the Realm Jumpers podcast. We discuss our experiences with storytelling, the significance of filler episodes, our writing journeys, and how nostalgia shapes the changing anime landscape today.
• Exploring the inspirations for starting our podcast
• The deep connection between fantasy and anime
• The role of filler episodes in enchanting storytelling
• Personal anecdotes about our writing journeys
• Vast influences of nostalgia on current anime developments
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Andrew (00:13):
Welcome to Realm Jumpers .
I'm Andrew and this is myco-host, jordan hey everyone.
Jordan (00:18):
We're here to dive into the worlds of fantasy and anime,
bringing you epic stories andunforgettable adventures.
Andrew (00:25):
We'll be talking world building, unforgettable villains
and everything that makes thesegenres legendary.
So let's jump into the realm,All right, dude?
So what's up?
Episode zero how do you feelabout this?
Jordan (00:40):
Oh, it's like a prologue man.
This is like serious shit, dude.
Andrew (00:44):
I mean, might as well do it after we're gonna do it
absolutely, man.
Jordan (00:48):
This is uh, I'm excited, man.
It's been uh something we'vebeen kicking around for a minute
, so it's fun to jump in rightboth feet.
Andrew (00:55):
Yeah, absolutely, I'm pretty excited about this.
I um ten toes down, yeah, no, Imean there's a everybody wants
to podcast, right, like that'sthe thing.
Everybody wants to.
Uh, to do something, get youknow insta famous or whatever I.
I don't particularly care aboutbeing insta famous, I just
don't live near any of myfriends, so it's kind of nice to
be able to talk to people yeah,you know what I relate, I
(01:18):
really 100.
Jordan (01:20):
Yeah, I'm not really.
I don't really care aboutgetting famous, but hey, it's
fun to hey, it's fun to talkshit.
It's fun to talk about fantasy.
Obviously, there's a millionEverything's fantasy-tied these
days, right yeah?
Andrew (01:30):
exactly.
So I guess we're just kind ofstarting this off doing our
origin stories tonight andtalking about why we started
this or why we're starting thispodcast, what we want to talk
about.
So that way everybody knowswhat we're starting this podcast
, what we want to talk about, um.
Jordan (01:44):
So that way everybody knows what we're, what we're all
about you want to go first,since you're the uh, you're the
og.
Andrew (01:49):
Here is your idea first yeah, sure, man, I can go first.
Um, okay, I say, ah, too much.
Okay, we'll figure that out,you'll be all right, it's
authentic.
Now I mean, I guess, uh, I meanfantasy and anime for me tie
together, but it's all kind ofties into the same thing, it's.
I don't really separate themout.
I mean fantasy and anime for metie together, but it's all kind
of ties into the same thing,it's.
I don't really separate them out.
I mean, I know they arecompletely separate genres, like
(02:09):
you have, you know, your epicfantasy, um, sword of truth,
wheel of time, anything, brandonsanderson, and then you've got
like epic animes, completely onthe opposite side of the field,
and most people treat those asseparate genres.
Um, and they are.
You know, they really are they.
They have their each of, havetheir own merits, but there's a
(02:30):
lot of tie-ins, um, there's alot of things that mesh up,
there's a lot of things that gotogether and really for me I
can't separate the two.
You know, kind of my love foranime ties into my love for
fantasy.
I can read a fantasy book andI'll be like damn it, dude, this
should be an anime.
Jordan (02:46):
Um, and it's not the worst, though but isn't that the
worst when you're like pleasebe an anime, and it's not?
Andrew (02:51):
yeah, or you wait five years for them to make an anime
and they do a one season run of12 episodes and it's all filler
episodes and it's allcliffhanger.
Jordan (03:01):
Wait, no, the last three are always story, but then
you're like more and then it'sgone for six years yeah, um, so
really, yeah, that's what it isfor me like it.
Andrew (03:10):
You know just the two of them, the, the two genres are
kind of inseparable for me.
They, they, for me they tietogether.
It's the same thing in my brain.
Um, the way the lizard brainworks, it just puts it all
together, makes it kind of onebig thing.
Jordan (03:26):
I get it, man, 100%.
I mean, for me too, being awriter and stuff, most of my
stuff is somehow fantasyadjacent.
So that love of doing all thatstarted being a kid, right?
Like watching anime afterschool.
And Dragon Ball Z's fantasythey're flying, I don't care
what you're going to say, it'sfantasy, it's not science
fiction, right?
So watching all that Berserk,of course, the OG, the rip your
(03:47):
heart out.
Oh my God, is this reallyhappening in an anime?
What the hell kind of story isthis?
You know, really set me on, forme personally, I'm just like,
oh, it's not just, you know,action, action, dragon Ball Z or
the other ones kids, right?
Uh, yeah, there's some oneskids, right?
(04:08):
Um, and that was the first onewhere it was like brutal, like
so brutal that it really made amark like, oh, you can tell,
ultra dark fantasy, gripping andengaged, and you know the blend
for me, right, like the kind ofwhat you're saying.
I mean, I love manga, comics,novels too, but something with
the anime and like when theynail that music, oh man, that's
a wrap.
Man, you're done.
You're just sitting there likeit hits you and you're just like
staring open mouth like yo,that's crazy, you know whatever.
(04:29):
No, absolutely.
You know.
Even movies like, yeah, movieswill have great music obviously
and stuff and and maybe it'sjust a me thing, but for
whatever reason, I can watchmovies not really get that
emotional, whatever, but certainanime scenes it's a wrap.
Man, I'm like feeling all ofstuff.
You're a dad and you'rewatching something.
There's a kid, you know familydynamic in there.
You're done, it's, it's, it'sdone.
Andrew (04:50):
No, I agree.
Yeah, you know, I mean we'recompletely jumping all over the
place, but I mean I what youjust said right there, you gotta
go full metal alchemist.
You know, full Metal Alchemist.
Oh gosh, you gotta go FullMetal Alchemist at
what's-his-face's funeral Maze.
Jordan (05:10):
Oh yeah, it's a good day or a bad day for rain or
whatever You're done, that's awrap.
And seeing those types of animeas a kid or you know teen and
you're growing up and all thatstuff and you know, when we were
kids that shit wasn't cool.
You weren't cool to know anime,like nobody knew what you were
talking about, or they hid it.
Whatever.
And you know growing up andthen getting older and it's just
(05:32):
that fantasy genre is 100% inany role, you know, whether it's
a movie, tv show or it's justit's shit.
And I think this podcast willbe so fun because we'll be able
to really dive into certainseries and stuff, just chat
about it, analyze it, what welike, hate, whatever.
It'll be fun, it'll be awesome.
Andrew (05:52):
Yeah, I absolutely agree .
You did mention something,though, and I really don't feel
like we've ever actually talkedabout it too much.
How did you get into writing?
I know you've authored somewebcomics.
The web comics came before yourbooks, right, yeah?
Jordan (06:09):
Yeah, yeah.
So you know, honestly, it'sgoing to sound like absolutely
ridiculous, but any manlistening will understand when
your sister dares you to dosomething, you're going to do it
Like you just have to do itlike you're a man right, like
get on it, just have to do itlike you're a man right, like,
get on it and and it all.
Funny enough, it all filler youmentioned.
It all started because offiller and bleach, which I was
bitching and complaining about,filler and bleach.
(06:31):
And she was like, well, whydon't you write your own?
Then, if you know, you know howto you, you know, you know how
to do it.
So and I just was like, fine, Iwill, you know whatever, being
stubborn.
But uh, I was never a writer inschool, I didn't like any of
that stuff.
I didn't write essays, likeenglish sucked, whatever.
And at 20, whatever, I justdecided to let me write a script
, then I'm gonna know how to doit, and just bumbled my way
(06:53):
through and figured it out andwatched videos, kind of just man
, felt it out, and uh, you know,okay, cool, you wrote a script.
What do you?
What do you do now?
Right, yeah, I'm like 21, sothis is like 19, 18 years ago.
You know, okay, cool, you wrotea script.
What do you?
What do you do now?
Right, yeah, I'm like 21, sothis is like 19, 18 years ago.
You know, the internet was, ofcourse, a thing, but it wasn't.
I can't draw, for shit.
I tried, man, I can't draw.
(07:13):
I'm talking about what I can't.
I don't have it, I just don't.
And uh, funny enough, itstarted on facebook.
I just found an artist and grewart group, you know manga group.
She started drawing it.
We started selling it.
They would take half, I wouldtake half, and it was literally
just like oh, people will justlike I have a passion for the
story, but I can't draw.
There's plenty of people whocan draw but necessarily maybe
can't craft the story that youknow the way they, you know the
(07:36):
best way or the way they want to.
And it was just teaming up withpeople and you know, time went
on and on and next, the nextthing, you know, I have like
published web comics.
I have a graphic novel that waspublished out there and I just
really wanted to try novels.
I mean, why not challengeyourself, right?
That was the one good thing ofCOVID for me, was I'm going to
dare myself to do a book, youknow, and I just went for it and
(07:58):
it was really hard andchallenging, but it was really
fun.
Andrew (08:10):
And when you complete it , there's something just really
crazy, like I like I wrote nodude, that's amazing.
Um, I've tried to put in thepaper several times and I just
uh, I sit there and I look at itand I'm like, well, I wrote a
character intro sheet.
Now what?
What do I do now?
Jordan (08:19):
yeah, you just man.
You just go for that shit dude.
You just jump in there and youfucking swim, man, that's all
you can do, just yeah you're,you're a panzer dude.
Andrew (08:27):
I can't, I can't fly by the seat of my pants like that,
that's that's all you just jumpin there and write that is not
look, can't, dude, I've alwaysbeen a winger man.
Jordan (08:36):
Just wing it, dude, like just wing it.
That's how I do it.
Andrew (08:39):
Wing it um doesn't always work, but yeah, funny
enough for all anybody that, uh,all of our future listeners.
Um, jordan and I met in a verystrange kind of funky way.
So jordan wrote a webtooncalled deck of fates and I, uh,
I ran across it.
(09:00):
I was looking for something tobreeze through on my reader and,
um, I ran across this thingcalled Deck of Fates and I had
recently watched the AkashicRecords of the Bastard Magic
Instructor and I, literally, Iwas just like this kind of feels
, like that.
I was like not in the ripoffsense, not that I thought the
(09:21):
author ripped it off, I was justlike it's got a vibe, thought
the author ripped it off, I wasjust like it's got a vibe and
that was the vibe for me.
And so I started reading it andI you know I was not regularly
reading it, but I was reading itand following along and like I
had it saved in my bookmarks.
Jordan (09:35):
And I pulled it out.
I was like look at this.
Andrew (09:38):
Probably two or three years later.
Two or three years later, mywife's like, oh, yeah, I, yeah,
I'm going to be busy X and Xweekend.
I'm going to be in Tammy'swedding and I'm like, well,
who's Tammy?
And she was like, oh, I went toschool with her blah, blah,
blah telling me the story.
So I look up Tammy on Facebook.
Jordan (10:00):
Wait, as you should, as you should.
Who's this lady?
I need to know what's going on.
What's my wife talking about?
A hundred percent as you should.
Andrew (10:08):
Yeah, exactly Like I had to.
No, I mean it's just you knowthat's the uh.
We live in the social mediaworld now, so you know I had to
go check out, like you know,what's going on, who she's
talking about, Uh, also 500things that day, so like it was
kind of hard not to see.
You have to look, yeah, right.
So yeah, as you as one does,you know, I followed it to, uh,
(10:28):
to tammy's page and you know I Isee that, uh, she, you know
she's in a relationship withjordan, um, because you guys
weren't yet married, and so I'mlike jordan troggy, that name
sounds familiar.
I was like I swear to god, I'veseen that before yeah, I mean
it's a weird assass name.
Jordan (10:44):
I mean, come on.
Andrew (10:45):
So you know, lo and behold, I look up the name and
there it is Deck of Fates author.
And I'm like, oh my God, I gotto meet this guy.
Jordan (10:54):
Remember when you pulled that shit, dude, when I met you
we were like look, you guyscan't tell, but this dude's like
7'9", seven, nine.
He's not, but he's huge he'sbirthed.
Look, he's birthed from thor'sleft nut.
I'm telling the guy's cute.
So I'm like five, nine orsomething, staying next to him
like this guy's a giant, he'sgonna fucking just kill me.
First time I met him and he'slike I have something cool to
(11:16):
tell you.
Pulls out his phone, scrollsfucking.
Years back probably it was onwebtoon, right.
Look, I used to read this and Iwas like why didn't you finish
it?
And you're like I will, Ipromise, I promise I'll finish
it.
Yeah, small world man, superweird.
But I was like, ah, he's a cooldude and of course, obviously
(11:37):
we love anime and fantasy andall the same shit.
Although I can't get him tolife, me, to write his damn book
, I, yeah, I've been trying foryears to get you to do this it.
Andrew (11:47):
It might be a while for that.
Um, the other weird dichotomykind of and we've kind of danced
around it here for a fewminutes, like you are our
crossover point is the anime,because you're super into manga
and webtoons, webcomics, whichfor me a little bit, but not
nearly as much.
(12:07):
Typically, you know, you'lltalk about something like solo
leveling and you're like oh yeah, man, the webcomic was insane,
and I'm like the webcomic insane, and I'm like the webcomic.
The light novel was insane.
Dude, what are you talkingabout?
Jordan (12:20):
you are the light novel king, so I mean you got me being
on the light novels man.
Yeah, I, I just.
Then here's the thing with thebooks.
I said today I was like Ireally should read more and I
and I want to.
As far as novels and stuffbesides web comics, that's
pretty much what I read thesedays.
But it's like if I have the timeto dive into a book, I should
be writing.
And it's like this guilt, likehangover thing.
(12:43):
Man just sits there even thoughI mean I'll watch a show or a
movie, whatever.
But like, if there's, I'm likeI should be writing if I'm gonna
be reading a book.
I don't know if it's like astupid thing in my own brain it
probably is, um, but I it's myone like weird little regret.
I was like man, I really shouldread way more books.
But I just like I don't know, Idon't know if I it's like I
don't, I don't want to committhe time that I have to it.
(13:05):
No, because I should be writingwhen I should be reading.
That you know, I don't know,it's the battle yeah, um, I I've
only what you're talking about.
Andrew (13:14):
There is funny, because my father-in-law was the exact
same, but in reverse.
Um, after he authored his fewbooks, he, uh, he took a job at
a publishing company and he wasliterally just reviewing stuff
all day and he said he read somuch crap that he couldn't bring
himself to pick up a bookanymore.
Um, I mean, it makes sense.
Jordan (13:34):
I don't.
Andrew (13:35):
I don't want to read anything.
Um yeah, not established novels, nothing.
I mean, it makes sense.
I don't know.
I don't want to read anything.
Yeah yeah, Not establishednovels, Nothing new.
I haven't reread a book inyears.
I'm like that is sad.
Jordan (13:44):
It's just, it's weird because, like, as a kid growing
up I did love to read andeverything I didn't like writing
.
But now, as a 39 year old, it'slike you know, full time job,
parent, husband, all that stuff.
And then it's like, and I'm notgoing to give up writing ever.
So either I'm writing a scriptor a season two or whatever of a
web comic I'm doing.
(14:05):
And Deck of Fates actually iswhat really kind of gave me my
chance to remake that originalstory.
That I started writing wasbecause of Deck of Fates,
because it was so popular thatthe publisher was like, hey,
we'll pay an art team, likeprofessional art team, pitch us
a script.
And I pitched them the originalscript.
I mean I rewrote it obviouslybecause I was 22 or whatever, 21
(14:28):
.
And that became the Fallen,which was a very popular website
and yeah, yeah, it's so funnyenough season two.
I'm working on that now.
So this is the thing like I'mdoing season two of that.
I have a new series, mythical,that I'm doing from the ground
up.
Uh, that's like a superhero, mytake on a superhero webtoon
(14:48):
thing.
But then also I'm gonna writemy, my third, my other book I'm
writing.
So it's like oh, I don't have alot of time, you know, with all
that and it's like read a bookor just like watch this show,
because you kind of just do itand you know whatever.
Yeah, so I'm a terrible reader.
Andrew (15:02):
I should be reading way more I guess that's what you
have me for, because I I will belike no, bro, that's not what
we're, that's not what wassupposed to yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jordan (15:12):
Literally it's like that didn't happen this way.
Andrew (15:13):
That was like I mean, we talked about this earlier it
was so low leveling I was like Ilove it.
Jordan (15:18):
Remember that dude.
Andrew (15:19):
I thought I just I was I .
And again, this is notcriticism of the anime.
I love the anime story.
Things are going to change.
I just was slightly irritatedby a few of the things they
changed that I think overallmight affect the way the
character arc is shown.
Jordan (15:36):
Well, bro, they almost put it in Japan instead of Korea
, so this is a win.
They kept it in Korea, so I'mhappy.
Andrew (15:44):
Is it a Korean studio?
I thought it was a Japanesestudio.
Jordan (15:48):
No, it's a Japanese anime studio, but the web, the
author, and apparently when theywent to animate it, they wanted
to originally change it to betake place in tokyo and change
his name and just completely,pretty much just change the
entire story at that, because ifyou're gonna do that, then
that's not so lovely, there's avery clear reason why they
(16:10):
wanted to do that.
Andrew (16:11):
I mean, yeah, like come on and um, but the fan base.
Jordan (16:14):
They rose up when the I think somebody leaked it at the
studio.
I think somebody leaked it totry to like get the fans to see
it and then I mean it went crazybecause people were like you're
not going to change the story.
Like, if you're going to adaptit, adapt it.
You know, like, just adapt.
You know the way the authorwanted.
Like that's my biggest thingand that's why I hate filler,
because it's not supposed to bein it, like it's not part of the
(16:34):
story.
Just do the story.
You know, those four days arekind of over though in anime,
right, like I don't thinkthere's filler anymore.
Andrew (16:42):
I mean I don't mind a little bit of filler.
You know, like perfect exampleof fairy tale.
You know they've got fillerepisodes here and there and that
doesn't.
That doesn't bother me thatmuch.
(17:02):
Um, unless they're completelychanging the story when they
just do some slice of lifefiller.
I'm like you know, it'sactually kind of interesting
every once in a while when youto throw in there before in
between.
Jordan (17:06):
Uh, you know epic fight um arcs.
Well, I shouldn't say I don'tdo it because boruto, the anime
is 90, so yeah, um, which isridiculous.
Yeah, it's like, it's like,it's a lot, it's gotta.
But the actual story is great.
I mean it's pretty good.
It's not Naruto, but it'spretty good.
But the filler is just insane.
The whole show is crazy.
Andrew (17:25):
One Piece feels like it's all filler, but it's not
all filler.
I can't hold you back.
It's 1,300 points.
I can't do it.
I can't even do it.
Jordan (17:35):
I'll never ride a book again.
I'll be done.
Andrew (17:41):
I'm having that engraved on my tombstone when I get to
the end of One Piece.
I watched all 1400 episodes.
I finished it.
It's funny, it's such an animehead.
Jordan (17:51):
That's the one series.
Big series for me that I justI'm never going to do it.
I you know.
Big series for me that I justI'm never going to do it.
Yeah.
Andrew (17:59):
I, I don't know, I, I'm, I go.
I don't even remember the nameof the arc.
Right now I I'm stuck somewhereat about episode 500.
I had to take a break, dude,look at that.
Jordan (18:09):
That's crazy.
I could never I do.
Andrew (18:12):
I will admit, though I we just talked about filler and
I said I don't mind fillerepisodes For One Piece.
I skip every single fillerepisode.
Jordan (18:21):
Well, yeah, you kind of have to.
I mean, that's the cool thing.
Now, though, it's like backwhen they were doing this stuff
when we were growing up, theywere like catching the manga
releases, so you kind of had todo that.
Now it's like they don't evenstart the anime until you know
there's so many chapters thatthey you know they do 12 or 20
(18:42):
episode seasons and leave for ayear.
It's great, because you'llnever catch it, like they don't
have to play that game anymore.
Andrew (18:48):
Well, I mean, we already mentioned Berserk and Full
Metal Alchemist, and both ofthem caught.
Both of those pieces caught,you know, the studios off guard
because Berserk, how long didthey stop writing for?
Jordan (19:01):
dude, I mean that dude, would that dude would take
breaks?
He's not.
He's not even the king ofbreaks, though the 100x100 guy,
yeah, yeah, um, but he wouldtake a lot of breaks too.
But that's the thing.
The art his art is was a guypassed rest, rest in peace, but
guitar.
But the art is just stunning,like every single page.
It's like literally you couldhang it as a painting, dick,
(19:23):
yeah no, I berserk looks amazing, except it looks amazing yeah
yeah, so well.
Yeah, in the anime, right.
So then, how do you, yeah, howdo you take the best, arguably
the top part of any manga andthen do the worst CGI anime?
It's a slap in the face toevery single person.
Andrew (19:42):
I think the worst thing for me I can still watch it
because of the story.
Right, I can still watch it.
It's kind of like.
It's a little bit of like holdyour nose and watch it because
you appreciate the story.
So that's kind of what it wasfor me.
But they slap you in the faceat the end of that.
Uh, second season, when theyrevert the anim, the, when they
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revert the animation to like theoriginal style of animation and
the yeah, and you're like youcould have done this.
What the fuck assholes, whydidn't?
You do this that you spentmoney on cgi.
Jordan (20:15):
Well, dude I mean, when he gets berserker armor and it's
gonna be, yeah, like what arewe doing?
Andrew (20:22):
if the berserker armor had been the only thing that
would have been cgi, that mighthave been acceptable no,
literally every.
Jordan (20:28):
It looked like a playstation every frame was
doing yeah, every frame.
Andrew (20:31):
Looked at it.
It was a weird chunky mess thatlooked very strange and I still
watched it, just because of thestory.
Jordan (20:38):
Well, you know, do you hear about the fan anime of it?
Do you hear about this?
No, what?
Yeah, so there's a fan studiothat was reanimating that crap
and there's a trailer you canlook you can go look at it of
Guts and it's stunning.
I mean, it's amazing.
Andrew (20:56):
Dude, you're not supposed it's amazing for that.
Jordan (20:58):
Oh yeah, I'll get it.
Well, I'll give it to you, butit's just gonna make you angry
because it looks great.
And then, uh, yeah, apparentlyI think they got sued and they
had to stop and they raised theywere raising all this money to
do it and apparently everyonewho was part of the team dipped
and one guy was left just takingall these donations and it just
yeah.
But the trailer is awesome, soyou'll check it out and be like,
(21:20):
can we do this please?
Like, like, just give me I meanbro mappa's doing everything
else y'all can't fucking doresort.
The guy died.
Like, can you come in and dothe right thing here and animate
the rest of this?
So I mean it would be a massivehit.
Andrew (21:34):
I mean there's no way, but that would kill it.
Yeah, man, that stinks, dude, II.
If you have the link for that,though, send that to me.
I want to at least look at,look at the artwork oh yeah,
I'll send it over.
Jordan (21:45):
It was a huge.
It blew up as a huge thing andit was supposed to be like a
couple episodes, like they wereanimating and apparently I think
they got threatened to get sued.
I think that's what happened,which makes sense, kind of, and
I think the whole studio justleft.
But one guy was like we'restill animating, we need money,
you know, just totally justcollecting money, uh, but the,
the trailer is really good it.
(22:06):
It's very weird that that seriesin particular, never it.
I feel like it's one of themost dark and unique stories you
could do and with the, with theart now, like that you could do
, I don't.
It's it's odd that they hasn'tbeen read in like a really great
way, because at this point Imean the story's still coming
out because his assistant tookover and he's going to finish it
(22:28):
, and even though it's comingout once every couple months per
chapter, there's so muchfreaking story between where the
original one ended and you canjust redo season two like nobody
cares.
It seems to suck.
Just redo it, do the berserkarmor the right way and just
roll.
I mean you can probably getlike four or five seasons out
right.
Andrew (22:46):
Um, yeah, I'd be I'd be excited to see it, for I who was
that that was like universalstudios, or say why I remember
seeing like the universalstudios level.
I think it was what is going onwith this.
Jordan (22:58):
Well, I think it was that berserk was was my dark
fantasy inspiration, my shit forsure.
So you know, the medieval timefall, it's all in medieval time.
You know it's brutal, it'sterrible monsters, it's
definitely um, that story hintis really inspired by berserk.
And then I would say it'sinspired by claymore too,
because claymore was reallyclaymore was.
(23:20):
Yeah, claymore was definitelykind of like a witcher vibe,
like they're hunting monster.
Andrew (23:25):
Yeah, it's cool, it was sad though it was like I I don't
know great about it.
Yeah, it's brutal, you're right, it's.
It's brutally, brutally sad.
Um, you mentioned hunter xhunter, though a little bit ago.
Have you seen the news on that?
Jordan (23:40):
so here's my thing with hunter.
I love hunter, it's amazing.
Love the show, love the love.
The anime?
I think they're I don't know ifthey're doing a reboot or if
they're doing.
I don't think it's a review.
I think they're continuing fromwhen the original one ended.
From what I can see, there'stwo rumors.
Andrew (23:55):
Okay, tell me the room.
So, from what I can see isthere's two rumors, uh, and,
granted, I'm pulling this fromscreen rant, so okay, we don't
from Screen Rant.
So OK, we don't know, right,yeah, so yeah, we don't.
We don't know how accurate thisis, but according to Screen
Rant, there seems to be tworumors.
There's a solid rumor of ananime reboot, but then I've also
(24:17):
seen mention of them justcontinuing saying and he's
basically said yeah, I'm pushing, pushing stuff out, we're we're
trying to get back to it.
We've gotten, we should haveenough content now, um, but I, I
think, according to screen rant, when it might be announced one
way or the other, would be atthe um, anime Japan, uh, which I
(24:38):
guess is a pretty hugeconvention that I had no idea,
which I guess is a pretty hugeconvention that I had no idea.
Jordan (24:43):
Oh, I know, would that be cool to go?
Yeah, that'd be awesome, dude,you know you would get someone
to follow you around.
I don't know, they would belike hey.
Andrew (24:52):
Nobody really followed me around the last time I was in
Tokyo.
Jordan (24:54):
You've been over there.
I didn't even know that.
Andrew (24:56):
Yeah, no, I spent several weeks over there hanging
out with my brother when he wasstationed stationed over there.
People really just kind ofignored me.
I mean, they didn't ignore me,not to say impolite.
Um, I could ask.
Everybody was extremely polite.
You could ask anybody aquestion anywhere and if they
couldn't speak english, they'dfind somebody to answer your
question.
Um, as long as you were polite,which I always was, um yeah,
(25:21):
but this time you'd be dressedas an anime character.
Jordan (25:23):
This is what you're not understanding.
I'm you're gonna dress as?
Um.
No, what's the guy from sevendeadly sins?
Immediately.
Uh, no, no, hold on time out.
What's the guy?
The lion?
Sin of pride, eskenor, you'redressing as eskenor.
No, hey bro, you got themustache.
Andrew (25:39):
You got the mustache the mustache doesn't count, that's
like you, literally have.
Jordan (25:45):
Look, you just twirl it, go shirtless.
Bro, you're in, you're in noincorrect.
Andrew (25:51):
No, if I'm gonna go as an anime character, I I don't
know that eskenor would be mychoice who would you pick?
Jordan (25:57):
come on um.
Andrew (25:58):
Yeah, I don't know I don't know, I don't't know.
Jordan (26:01):
Look bro, they're all based on me.
Dark hair.
I could be Roy Mustang.
I could be a freak.
I could be like multiplecharacters in Fullmetal
Alchemist if I really wanted to.
Yeah, greed, come on.
They're all dark hair, it'seasy.
Andrew (26:13):
Yeah, I don't know, dude , I've never really thought
about who I could be, justbecause, again, like you said,
I'm huge.
So it doesn't really I can'twalk in there and be Meliodas.
Jordan (26:30):
No, it can't be Meliodas , you could be From fairytale,
you could be Guild Arts.
Andrew (26:37):
Yeah, I could be Guild Arts.
I could probably pull that off.
You could rock them.
Jordan (26:44):
Yeah, guild Arts would that.
I could probably pull that off.
You could rock them.
Um, yeah, guild arts would work, which he's dope.
I mean, he's just cool as shitright, yeah, absolutely yeah.
Andrew (26:48):
I mean, the only character I could be from solo
loving, uh, solo leveling is theold president, bro.
Jordan (26:53):
No see no, the one dude the big guy from is he's from
america is the big guy could behim are you talking about the
guy with the wild red hair?
Andrew (27:02):
I think that's the guy.
Yes, dude, are you talkingabout the guy with the wild red
hair?
I think that's the guy.
Yes.
Dude, it could be him the WhiteTiger Guild.
Okay, the guy from the WhiteTiger Guild.
Jordan (27:09):
No, that's not the same guy who are you talking about oh
?
The big ass dude.
He's Bill.
Andrew (27:15):
I know who you're talking about.
You're talking about ThomasAndre.
Jordan (27:18):
Yes, dude, yes, 100%.
Thomas Andre, yes, dude, yes,100 which?
Andrew (27:22):
for those that, yeah, aren't reading or following the
web comic or the uh epic lightnovels yeah, great character.
Jordan (27:31):
We won't say anything else about that no, no, just
hawaiian shirt man or the tie,you gotta rock the tie, yeah,
dude, you could kill him yeah,no, that would be great that
would be great right that would,but you gotta wait till it
comes out in the anime, becausethen people don't know.
Yeah Right, they're like whyare you some weird Hawaiian
trooper?
I don't know, I'm not, I don'thave the swag of Sun Jin Woo or
(27:52):
whatever.
I can't do it.
His voice is too deep.
I can't it ready, wait, I'mgonna go for it.
Andrew (28:04):
Hold on ready, all right .
No, that's not my style.
Like I can, uh, yeah, I.
I have way too much of my voice.
And you're right, absolutelyright, thomas andre.
That would be the best fit forme for anime character hasn't
even been drawn yet.
Jordan (28:20):
Well, he will be.
I'm sure I don't know if he'llbe this season.
Actually, I don't even know, Idon't.
Well, he will be, I'm sure.
I don't know if he'll be thisseason.
Andrew (28:26):
Actually, I don't even know.
I don't think so.
It depends.
They've changed a few things upstoryline-wise, so it could be
at the tail end of the season orit might not be until the next
season.
See, that's the problem, is I?
Jordan (28:36):
read it so long ago I can't remember the sequence.
Andrew (28:50):
Like I remember the big stuff.
Jordan (28:50):
Yeah, I'm assuming it's gonna.
This season will be ending withthe, the ant stuff, you know,
the island stuff.
Yeah, yeah, which would beawesome.
Uh, bear bears there?
I'm happy that'd be dope, butthat I don't think, tom sandra
is I think he's after yeah, heis absolutely.
Andrew (28:57):
I just finished rereading the light novels and,
uh, it would be well after, wellafter the jeju island arc yeah,
and I think what they're doing12 episodes, right?
Jordan (29:06):
yeah, I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, so it's gonna be a minute, yeah, I agree.
Well, man, I mean hunter xhunter, yeah, before you finish
yeah, we didn't get to go intoit.
Really.
Hunter x hunter the reboot Idon't know why they would reboot
the anime to start over.
That would be silly, becausethe last one was 2011.
It's still pretty good.
I mean, you just finished it,right?
Yeah?
Andrew (29:25):
no, I'm not done yet.
And screw you, dude bro, forgetting me to watch an anime
that is not complete.
Jordan (29:32):
It is complete, though it's not complete, dude it
really kind of is, though it'snot a complete storyline so look
, man, I don't want to spoil itfor you, but like the manga,
it's not even like it followsdifferent.
I don't know.
It's actually complete.
When you finish it you'll belike okay, and then I'll, then
I'll, then I'll tell you yeah,and then you'll be like okay.
(29:53):
So in a way it is kind ofcomplete, yes, but please finish
, what are you waiting on?
Andrew (29:58):
finish the story, sir I got busy, I'm going to finish it
.
I'm in like I'm in the, I'm inthe 60s, maybe in the 70s
episode how many is it 130?
Jordan (30:07):
120, 130, something like that yeah, so you, you did, you
get to.
You can finish greed islandright, yeah, I am.
Andrew (30:15):
I think I'm in the second episode after greed
island, so I'm just great on wasso good, dude.
Jordan (30:20):
So greed island yeah, that was my favorite art.
And then the last, probably thelast in the show.
No, but like reboot, I don'tknow, would be cool, uh.
But I think they're gonna doprobably the continuation.
I mean, that's the one thatmakes sense, but the guy always
does the manga, then he quitsfor seven months.
Andrew (30:38):
Yeah, well, uh, I think we've probably covered
everything we should cover fortonight for an origin episode.
Jordan (30:46):
Yeah, absolutely, let's do it.
Andrew (30:54):
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Jordan (31:02):
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Welcome to Realm Jumpers .
I'm Andrew and this is myco-host, jordan hey everyone.
Jordan (00:18):
We're here to dive into the worlds of fantasy and anime,
bringing you epic stories andunforgettable adventures.
Andrew (00:25):
We'll be talking world building, unforgettable villains
and everything that makes thesegenres legendary.
So let's jump into the realm,All right, dude?
So what's up?
Episode zero how do you feelabout this?
Jordan (00:40):
Oh, it's like a prologue man.
This is like serious shit, dude.
Andrew (00:44):
I mean, might as well do it after we're gonna do it
absolutely, man.
Jordan (00:48):
This is uh, I'm excited, man.
It's been uh something we'vebeen kicking around for a minute
, so it's fun to jump in rightboth feet.
Andrew (00:55):
Yeah, absolutely, I'm pretty excited about this.
I um ten toes down, yeah, no, Imean there's a everybody wants
to podcast, right, like that'sthe thing.
Everybody wants to.
Uh, to do something, get youknow insta famous or whatever I.
I don't particularly care aboutbeing insta famous, I just
don't live near any of myfriends, so it's kind of nice to
be able to talk to people yeah,you know what I relate, I
(01:18):
really 100.
Jordan (01:20):
Yeah, I'm not really.
I don't really care aboutgetting famous, but hey, it's
fun to hey, it's fun to talkshit.
It's fun to talk about fantasy.
Obviously, there's a millionEverything's fantasy-tied these
days, right yeah?
Andrew (01:30):
exactly.
So I guess we're just kind ofstarting this off doing our
origin stories tonight andtalking about why we started
this or why we're starting thispodcast, what we want to talk
about.
So that way everybody knowswhat we're starting this podcast
, what we want to talk about, um.
Jordan (01:44):
So that way everybody knows what we're, what we're all
about you want to go first,since you're the uh, you're the
og.
Andrew (01:49):
Here is your idea first yeah, sure, man, I can go first.
Um, okay, I say, ah, too much.
Okay, we'll figure that out,you'll be all right, it's
authentic.
Now I mean, I guess, uh, I meanfantasy and anime for me tie
together, but it's all kind ofties into the same thing, it's.
I don't really separate themout.
I mean fantasy and anime for metie together, but it's all kind
of ties into the same thing,it's.
I don't really separate them out.
I mean, I know they arecompletely separate genres, like
(02:09):
you have, you know, your epicfantasy, um, sword of truth,
wheel of time, anything, brandonsanderson, and then you've got
like epic animes, completely onthe opposite side of the field,
and most people treat those asseparate genres.
Um, and they are.
You know, they really are they.
They have their each of, havetheir own merits, but there's a
(02:30):
lot of tie-ins, um, there's alot of things that mesh up,
there's a lot of things that gotogether and really for me I
can't separate the two.
You know, kind of my love foranime ties into my love for
fantasy.
I can read a fantasy book andI'll be like damn it, dude, this
should be an anime.
Jordan (02:46):
Um, and it's not the worst, though but isn't that the
worst when you're like pleasebe an anime, and it's not?
Andrew (02:51):
yeah, or you wait five years for them to make an anime
and they do a one season run of12 episodes and it's all filler
episodes and it's allcliffhanger.
Jordan (03:01):
Wait, no, the last three are always story, but then
you're like more and then it'sgone for six years yeah, um, so
really, yeah, that's what it isfor me like it.
Andrew (03:10):
You know just the two of them, the, the two genres are
kind of inseparable for me.
They, they, for me they tietogether.
It's the same thing in my brain.
Um, the way the lizard brainworks, it just puts it all
together, makes it kind of onebig thing.
Jordan (03:26):
I get it, man, 100%.
I mean, for me too, being awriter and stuff, most of my
stuff is somehow fantasyadjacent.
So that love of doing all thatstarted being a kid, right?
Like watching anime afterschool.
And Dragon Ball Z's fantasythey're flying, I don't care
what you're going to say, it'sfantasy, it's not science
fiction, right?
So watching all that Berserk,of course, the OG, the rip your
(03:47):
heart out.
Oh my God, is this reallyhappening in an anime?
What the hell kind of story isthis?
You know, really set me on, forme personally, I'm just like,
oh, it's not just, you know,action, action, dragon Ball Z or
the other ones kids, right?
Uh, yeah, there's some oneskids, right?
(04:08):
Um, and that was the first onewhere it was like brutal, like
so brutal that it really made amark like, oh, you can tell,
ultra dark fantasy, gripping andengaged, and you know the blend
for me, right, like the kind ofwhat you're saying.
I mean, I love manga, comics,novels too, but something with
the anime and like when theynail that music, oh man, that's
a wrap.
Man, you're done.
You're just sitting there likeit hits you and you're just like
staring open mouth like yo,that's crazy, you know whatever.
(04:29):
No, absolutely.
You know.
Even movies like, yeah, movieswill have great music obviously
and stuff and and maybe it'sjust a me thing, but for
whatever reason, I can watchmovies not really get that
emotional, whatever, but certainanime scenes it's a wrap.
Man, I'm like feeling all ofstuff.
You're a dad and you'rewatching something.
There's a kid, you know familydynamic in there.
You're done, it's, it's, it'sdone.
Andrew (04:50):
No, I agree.
Yeah, you know, I mean we'recompletely jumping all over the
place, but I mean I what youjust said right there, you gotta
go full metal alchemist.
You know, full Metal Alchemist.
Oh gosh, you gotta go FullMetal Alchemist at
what's-his-face's funeral Maze.
Jordan (05:10):
Oh yeah, it's a good day or a bad day for rain or
whatever You're done, that's awrap.
And seeing those types of animeas a kid or you know teen and
you're growing up and all thatstuff and you know, when we were
kids that shit wasn't cool.
You weren't cool to know anime,like nobody knew what you were
talking about, or they hid it.
Whatever.
And you know growing up andthen getting older and it's just
(05:32):
that fantasy genre is 100% inany role, you know, whether it's
a movie, tv show or it's justit's shit.
And I think this podcast willbe so fun because we'll be able
to really dive into certainseries and stuff, just chat
about it, analyze it, what welike, hate, whatever.
It'll be fun, it'll be awesome.
Andrew (05:52):
Yeah, I absolutely agree .
You did mention something,though, and I really don't feel
like we've ever actually talkedabout it too much.
How did you get into writing?
I know you've authored somewebcomics.
The web comics came before yourbooks, right, yeah?
Jordan (06:09):
Yeah, yeah.
So you know, honestly, it'sgoing to sound like absolutely
ridiculous, but any manlistening will understand when
your sister dares you to dosomething, you're going to do it
Like you just have to do itlike you're a man right, like
get on it, just have to do itlike you're a man right, like,
get on it and and it all.
Funny enough, it all filler youmentioned.
It all started because offiller and bleach, which I was
bitching and complaining about,filler and bleach.
(06:31):
And she was like, well, whydon't you write your own?
Then, if you know, you know howto you, you know, you know how
to do it.
So and I just was like, fine, Iwill, you know whatever, being
stubborn.
But uh, I was never a writer inschool, I didn't like any of
that stuff.
I didn't write essays, likeenglish sucked, whatever.
And at 20, whatever, I justdecided to let me write a script
, then I'm gonna know how to doit, and just bumbled my way
(06:53):
through and figured it out andwatched videos, kind of just man
, felt it out, and uh, you know,okay, cool, you wrote a script.
What do you?
What do you do now?
Right, yeah, I'm like 21, sothis is like 19, 18 years ago.
You know, okay, cool, you wrotea script.
What do you?
What do you do now?
Right, yeah, I'm like 21, sothis is like 19, 18 years ago.
You know, the internet was, ofcourse, a thing, but it wasn't.
I can't draw, for shit.
I tried, man, I can't draw.
(07:13):
I'm talking about what I can't.
I don't have it, I just don't.
And uh, funny enough, itstarted on facebook.
I just found an artist and grewart group, you know manga group.
She started drawing it.
We started selling it.
They would take half, I wouldtake half, and it was literally
just like oh, people will justlike I have a passion for the
story, but I can't draw.
There's plenty of people whocan draw but necessarily maybe
can't craft the story that youknow the way they, you know the
(07:36):
best way or the way they want to.
And it was just teaming up withpeople and you know, time went
on and on and next, the nextthing, you know, I have like
published web comics.
I have a graphic novel that waspublished out there and I just
really wanted to try novels.
I mean, why not challengeyourself, right?
That was the one good thing ofCOVID for me, was I'm going to
dare myself to do a book, youknow, and I just went for it and
(07:58):
it was really hard andchallenging, but it was really
fun.
Andrew (08:10):
And when you complete it , there's something just really
crazy, like I like I wrote nodude, that's amazing.
Um, I've tried to put in thepaper several times and I just
uh, I sit there and I look at itand I'm like, well, I wrote a
character intro sheet.
Now what?
What do I do now?
Jordan (08:19):
yeah, you just man.
You just go for that shit dude.
You just jump in there and youfucking swim, man, that's all
you can do, just yeah you're,you're a panzer dude.
Andrew (08:27):
I can't, I can't fly by the seat of my pants like that,
that's that's all you just jumpin there and write that is not
look, can't, dude, I've alwaysbeen a winger man.
Jordan (08:36):
Just wing it, dude, like just wing it.
That's how I do it.
Andrew (08:39):
Wing it um doesn't always work, but yeah, funny
enough for all anybody that, uh,all of our future listeners.
Um, jordan and I met in a verystrange kind of funky way.
So jordan wrote a webtooncalled deck of fates and I, uh,
I ran across it.
(09:00):
I was looking for something tobreeze through on my reader and,
um, I ran across this thingcalled Deck of Fates and I had
recently watched the AkashicRecords of the Bastard Magic
Instructor and I, literally, Iwas just like this kind of feels
, like that.
I was like not in the ripoffsense, not that I thought the
(09:21):
author ripped it off, I was justlike it's got a vibe, thought
the author ripped it off, I wasjust like it's got a vibe and
that was the vibe for me.
And so I started reading it andI you know I was not regularly
reading it, but I was reading itand following along and like I
had it saved in my bookmarks.
Jordan (09:35):
And I pulled it out.
I was like look at this.
Andrew (09:38):
Probably two or three years later.
Two or three years later, mywife's like, oh, yeah, I, yeah,
I'm going to be busy X and Xweekend.
I'm going to be in Tammy'swedding and I'm like, well,
who's Tammy?
And she was like, oh, I went toschool with her blah, blah,
blah telling me the story.
So I look up Tammy on Facebook.
Jordan (10:00):
Wait, as you should, as you should.
Who's this lady?
I need to know what's going on.
What's my wife talking about?
A hundred percent as you should.
Andrew (10:08):
Yeah, exactly Like I had to.
No, I mean it's just you knowthat's the uh.
We live in the social mediaworld now, so you know I had to
go check out, like you know,what's going on, who she's
talking about, Uh, also 500things that day, so like it was
kind of hard not to see.
You have to look, yeah, right.
So yeah, as you as one does,you know, I followed it to, uh,
(10:28):
to tammy's page and you know I Isee that, uh, she, you know
she's in a relationship withjordan, um, because you guys
weren't yet married, and so I'mlike jordan troggy, that name
sounds familiar.
I was like I swear to god, I'veseen that before yeah, I mean
it's a weird assass name.
Jordan (10:44):
I mean, come on.
Andrew (10:45):
So you know, lo and behold, I look up the name and
there it is Deck of Fates author.
And I'm like, oh my God, I gotto meet this guy.
Jordan (10:54):
Remember when you pulled that shit, dude, when I met you
we were like look, you guyscan't tell, but this dude's like
7'9", seven, nine.
He's not, but he's huge he'sbirthed.
Look, he's birthed from thor'sleft nut.
I'm telling the guy's cute.
So I'm like five, nine orsomething, staying next to him
like this guy's a giant, he'sgonna fucking just kill me.
First time I met him and he'slike I have something cool to
(11:16):
tell you.
Pulls out his phone, scrollsfucking.
Years back probably it was onwebtoon, right.
Look, I used to read this and Iwas like why didn't you finish
it?
And you're like I will, Ipromise, I promise I'll finish
it.
Yeah, small world man, superweird.
But I was like, ah, he's a cooldude and of course, obviously
(11:37):
we love anime and fantasy andall the same shit.
Although I can't get him tolife, me, to write his damn book
, I, yeah, I've been trying foryears to get you to do this it.
Andrew (11:47):
It might be a while for that.
Um, the other weird dichotomykind of and we've kind of danced
around it here for a fewminutes, like you are our
crossover point is the anime,because you're super into manga
and webtoons, webcomics, whichfor me a little bit, but not
nearly as much.
(12:07):
Typically, you know, you'lltalk about something like solo
leveling and you're like oh yeah, man, the webcomic was insane,
and I'm like the webcomic insane, and I'm like the webcomic.
The light novel was insane.
Dude, what are you talkingabout?
Jordan (12:20):
you are the light novel king, so I mean you got me being
on the light novels man.
Yeah, I, I just.
Then here's the thing with thebooks.
I said today I was like Ireally should read more and I
and I want to.
As far as novels and stuffbesides web comics, that's
pretty much what I read thesedays.
But it's like if I have the timeto dive into a book, I should
be writing.
And it's like this guilt, likehangover thing.
(12:43):
Man just sits there even thoughI mean I'll watch a show or a
movie, whatever.
But like, if there's, I'm likeI should be writing if I'm gonna
be reading a book.
I don't know if it's like astupid thing in my own brain it
probably is, um, but I it's myone like weird little regret.
I was like man, I really shouldread way more books.
But I just like I don't know, Idon't know if I it's like I
don't, I don't want to committhe time that I have to it.
(13:05):
No, because I should be writingwhen I should be reading.
That you know, I don't know,it's the battle yeah, um, I I've
only what you're talking about.
Andrew (13:14):
There is funny, because my father-in-law was the exact
same, but in reverse.
Um, after he authored his fewbooks, he, uh, he took a job at
a publishing company and he wasliterally just reviewing stuff
all day and he said he read somuch crap that he couldn't bring
himself to pick up a bookanymore.
Um, I mean, it makes sense.
Jordan (13:34):
I don't.
Andrew (13:35):
I don't want to read anything.
Um yeah, not established novels, nothing.
I mean, it makes sense.
I don't know.
I don't want to read anything.
Yeah yeah, Not establishednovels, Nothing new.
I haven't reread a book inyears.
I'm like that is sad.
Jordan (13:44):
It's just, it's weird because, like, as a kid growing
up I did love to read andeverything I didn't like writing
.
But now, as a 39 year old, it'slike you know, full time job,
parent, husband, all that stuff.
And then it's like, and I'm notgoing to give up writing ever.
So either I'm writing a scriptor a season two or whatever of a
web comic I'm doing.
(14:05):
And Deck of Fates actually iswhat really kind of gave me my
chance to remake that originalstory.
That I started writing wasbecause of Deck of Fates,
because it was so popular thatthe publisher was like, hey,
we'll pay an art team, likeprofessional art team, pitch us
a script.
And I pitched them the originalscript.
I mean I rewrote it obviouslybecause I was 22 or whatever, 21
(14:28):
.
And that became the Fallen,which was a very popular website
and yeah, yeah, it's so funnyenough season two.
I'm working on that now.
So this is the thing like I'mdoing season two of that.
I have a new series, mythical,that I'm doing from the ground
up.
Uh, that's like a superhero, mytake on a superhero webtoon
(14:48):
thing.
But then also I'm gonna writemy, my third, my other book I'm
writing.
So it's like oh, I don't have alot of time, you know, with all
that and it's like read a bookor just like watch this show,
because you kind of just do itand you know whatever.
Yeah, so I'm a terrible reader.
Andrew (15:02):
I should be reading way more I guess that's what you
have me for, because I I will belike no, bro, that's not what
we're, that's not what wassupposed to yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jordan (15:12):
Literally it's like that didn't happen this way.
Andrew (15:13):
That was like I mean, we talked about this earlier it
was so low leveling I was like Ilove it.
Jordan (15:18):
Remember that dude.
Andrew (15:19):
I thought I just I was I .
And again, this is notcriticism of the anime.
I love the anime story.
Things are going to change.
I just was slightly irritatedby a few of the things they
changed that I think overallmight affect the way the
character arc is shown.
Jordan (15:36):
Well, bro, they almost put it in Japan instead of Korea
, so this is a win.
They kept it in Korea, so I'mhappy.
Andrew (15:44):
Is it a Korean studio?
I thought it was a Japanesestudio.
Jordan (15:48):
No, it's a Japanese anime studio, but the web, the
author, and apparently when theywent to animate it, they wanted
to originally change it to betake place in tokyo and change
his name and just completely,pretty much just change the
entire story at that, because ifyou're gonna do that, then
that's not so lovely, there's avery clear reason why they
(16:10):
wanted to do that.
Andrew (16:11):
I mean, yeah, like come on and um, but the fan base.
Jordan (16:14):
They rose up when the I think somebody leaked it at the
studio.
I think somebody leaked it totry to like get the fans to see
it and then I mean it went crazybecause people were like you're
not going to change the story.
Like, if you're going to adaptit, adapt it.
You know, like, just adapt.
You know the way the authorwanted.
Like that's my biggest thingand that's why I hate filler,
because it's not supposed to bein it, like it's not part of the
(16:34):
story.
Just do the story.
You know, those four days arekind of over though in anime,
right, like I don't thinkthere's filler anymore.
Andrew (16:42):
I mean I don't mind a little bit of filler.
You know, like perfect exampleof fairy tale.
You know they've got fillerepisodes here and there and that
doesn't.
That doesn't bother me thatmuch.
(17:02):
Um, unless they're completelychanging the story when they
just do some slice of lifefiller.
I'm like you know, it'sactually kind of interesting
every once in a while when youto throw in there before in
between.
Jordan (17:06):
Uh, you know epic fight um arcs.
Well, I shouldn't say I don'tdo it because boruto, the anime
is 90, so yeah, um, which isridiculous.
Yeah, it's like, it's like,it's a lot, it's gotta.
But the actual story is great.
I mean it's pretty good.
It's not Naruto, but it'spretty good.
But the filler is just insane.
The whole show is crazy.
Andrew (17:25):
One Piece feels like it's all filler, but it's not
all filler.
I can't hold you back.
It's 1,300 points.
I can't do it.
I can't even do it.
Jordan (17:35):
I'll never ride a book again.
I'll be done.
Andrew (17:41):
I'm having that engraved on my tombstone when I get to
the end of One Piece.
I watched all 1400 episodes.
I finished it.
It's funny, it's such an animehead.
Jordan (17:51):
That's the one series.
Big series for me that I justI'm never going to do it.
I you know.
Big series for me that I justI'm never going to do it.
Yeah.
Andrew (17:59):
I, I don't know, I, I'm, I go.
I don't even remember the nameof the arc.
Right now I I'm stuck somewhereat about episode 500.
I had to take a break, dude,look at that.
Jordan (18:09):
That's crazy.
I could never I do.
Andrew (18:12):
I will admit, though I we just talked about filler and
I said I don't mind fillerepisodes For One Piece.
I skip every single fillerepisode.
Jordan (18:21):
Well, yeah, you kind of have to.
I mean, that's the cool thing.
Now, though, it's like backwhen they were doing this stuff
when we were growing up, theywere like catching the manga
releases, so you kind of had todo that.
Now it's like they don't evenstart the anime until you know
there's so many chapters thatthey you know they do 12 or 20
(18:42):
episode seasons and leave for ayear.
It's great, because you'llnever catch it, like they don't
have to play that game anymore.
Andrew (18:48):
Well, I mean, we already mentioned Berserk and Full
Metal Alchemist, and both ofthem caught.
Both of those pieces caught,you know, the studios off guard
because Berserk, how long didthey stop writing for?
Jordan (19:01):
dude, I mean that dude, would that dude would take
breaks?
He's not.
He's not even the king ofbreaks, though the 100x100 guy,
yeah, yeah, um, but he wouldtake a lot of breaks too.
But that's the thing.
The art his art is was a guypassed rest, rest in peace, but
guitar.
But the art is just stunning,like every single page.
It's like literally you couldhang it as a painting, dick,
(19:23):
yeah no, I berserk looks amazing, except it looks amazing yeah
yeah, so well.
Yeah, in the anime, right.
So then, how do you, yeah, howdo you take the best, arguably
the top part of any manga andthen do the worst CGI anime?
It's a slap in the face toevery single person.
Andrew (19:42):
I think the worst thing for me I can still watch it
because of the story.
Right, I can still watch it.
It's kind of like.
It's a little bit of like holdyour nose and watch it because
you appreciate the story.
So that's kind of what it wasfor me.
But they slap you in the faceat the end of that.
Uh, second season, when theyrevert the anim, the, when they
(20:03):
revert the animation to like theoriginal style of animation and
the yeah, and you're like youcould have done this.
What the fuck assholes, whydidn't?
You do this that you spentmoney on cgi.
Jordan (20:15):
Well, dude I mean, when he gets berserker armor and it's
gonna be, yeah, like what arewe doing?
Andrew (20:22):
if the berserker armor had been the only thing that
would have been cgi, that mighthave been acceptable no,
literally every.
Jordan (20:28):
It looked like a playstation every frame was
doing yeah, every frame.
Andrew (20:31):
Looked at it.
It was a weird chunky mess thatlooked very strange and I still
watched it, just because of thestory.
Jordan (20:38):
Well, you know, do you hear about the fan anime of it?
Do you hear about this?
No, what?
Yeah, so there's a fan studiothat was reanimating that crap
and there's a trailer you canlook you can go look at it of
Guts and it's stunning.
I mean, it's amazing.
Andrew (20:56):
Dude, you're not supposed it's amazing for that.
Jordan (20:58):
Oh yeah, I'll get it.
Well, I'll give it to you, butit's just gonna make you angry
because it looks great.
And then, uh, yeah, apparentlyI think they got sued and they
had to stop and they raised theywere raising all this money to
do it and apparently everyonewho was part of the team dipped
and one guy was left just takingall these donations and it just
yeah.
But the trailer is awesome, soyou'll check it out and be like,
(21:20):
can we do this please?
Like, like, just give me I meanbro mappa's doing everything
else y'all can't fucking doresort.
The guy died.
Like, can you come in and dothe right thing here and animate
the rest of this?
So I mean it would be a massivehit.
Andrew (21:34):
I mean there's no way, but that would kill it.
Yeah, man, that stinks, dude, II.
If you have the link for that,though, send that to me.
I want to at least look at,look at the artwork oh yeah,
I'll send it over.
Jordan (21:45):
It was a huge.
It blew up as a huge thing andit was supposed to be like a
couple episodes, like they wereanimating and apparently I think
they got threatened to get sued.
I think that's what happened,which makes sense, kind of, and
I think the whole studio justleft.
But one guy was like we'restill animating, we need money,
you know, just totally justcollecting money, uh, but the,
the trailer is really good it.
(22:06):
It's very weird that that seriesin particular, never it.
I feel like it's one of themost dark and unique stories you
could do and with the, with theart now, like that you could do
, I don't.
It's it's odd that they hasn'tbeen read in like a really great
way, because at this point Imean the story's still coming
out because his assistant tookover and he's going to finish it
(22:28):
, and even though it's comingout once every couple months per
chapter, there's so muchfreaking story between where the
original one ended and you canjust redo season two like nobody
cares.
It seems to suck.
Just redo it, do the berserkarmor the right way and just
roll.
I mean you can probably getlike four or five seasons out
right.
Andrew (22:46):
Um, yeah, I'd be I'd be excited to see it, for I who was
that that was like universalstudios, or say why I remember
seeing like the universalstudios level.
I think it was what is going onwith this.
Jordan (22:58):
Well, I think it was that berserk was was my dark
fantasy inspiration, my shit forsure.
So you know, the medieval timefall, it's all in medieval time.
You know it's brutal, it'sterrible monsters, it's
definitely um, that story hintis really inspired by berserk.
And then I would say it'sinspired by claymore too,
because claymore was reallyclaymore was.
(23:20):
Yeah, claymore was definitelykind of like a witcher vibe,
like they're hunting monster.
Andrew (23:25):
Yeah, it's cool, it was sad though it was like I I don't
know great about it.
Yeah, it's brutal, you're right, it's.
It's brutally, brutally sad.
Um, you mentioned hunter xhunter, though a little bit ago.
Have you seen the news on that?
Jordan (23:40):
so here's my thing with hunter.
I love hunter, it's amazing.
Love the show, love the love.
The anime?
I think they're I don't know ifthey're doing a reboot or if
they're doing.
I don't think it's a review.
I think they're continuing fromwhen the original one ended.
From what I can see, there'stwo rumors.
Andrew (23:55):
Okay, tell me the room.
So, from what I can see isthere's two rumors, uh, and,
granted, I'm pulling this fromscreen rant, so okay, we don't
from Screen Rant.
So OK, we don't know, right,yeah, so yeah, we don't.
We don't know how accurate thisis, but according to Screen
Rant, there seems to be tworumors.
There's a solid rumor of ananime reboot, but then I've also
(24:17):
seen mention of them justcontinuing saying and he's
basically said yeah, I'm pushing, pushing stuff out, we're we're
trying to get back to it.
We've gotten, we should haveenough content now, um, but I, I
think, according to screen rant, when it might be announced one
way or the other, would be atthe um, anime Japan, uh, which I
(24:38):
guess is a pretty hugeconvention that I had no idea,
which I guess is a pretty hugeconvention that I had no idea.
Jordan (24:43):
Oh, I know, would that be cool to go?
Yeah, that'd be awesome, dude,you know you would get someone
to follow you around.
I don't know, they would belike hey.
Andrew (24:52):
Nobody really followed me around the last time I was in
Tokyo.
Jordan (24:54):
You've been over there.
I didn't even know that.
Andrew (24:56):
Yeah, no, I spent several weeks over there hanging
out with my brother when he wasstationed stationed over there.
People really just kind ofignored me.
I mean, they didn't ignore me,not to say impolite.
Um, I could ask.
Everybody was extremely polite.
You could ask anybody aquestion anywhere and if they
couldn't speak english, they'dfind somebody to answer your
question.
Um, as long as you were polite,which I always was, um yeah,
(25:21):
but this time you'd be dressedas an anime character.
Jordan (25:23):
This is what you're not understanding.
I'm you're gonna dress as?
Um.
No, what's the guy from sevendeadly sins?
Immediately.
Uh, no, no, hold on time out.
What's the guy?
The lion?
Sin of pride, eskenor, you'redressing as eskenor.
No, hey bro, you got themustache.
Andrew (25:39):
You got the mustache the mustache doesn't count, that's
like you, literally have.
Jordan (25:45):
Look, you just twirl it, go shirtless.
Bro, you're in, you're in noincorrect.
Andrew (25:51):
No, if I'm gonna go as an anime character, I I don't
know that eskenor would be mychoice who would you pick?
Jordan (25:57):
come on um.
Andrew (25:58):
Yeah, I don't know I don't know, I don't't know.
Jordan (26:01):
Look bro, they're all based on me.
Dark hair.
I could be Roy Mustang.
I could be a freak.
I could be like multiplecharacters in Fullmetal
Alchemist if I really wanted to.
Yeah, greed, come on.
They're all dark hair, it'seasy.
Andrew (26:13):
Yeah, I don't know, dude , I've never really thought
about who I could be, justbecause, again, like you said,
I'm huge.
So it doesn't really I can'twalk in there and be Meliodas.
Jordan (26:30):
No, it can't be Meliodas , you could be From fairytale,
you could be Guild Arts.
Andrew (26:37):
Yeah, I could be Guild Arts.
I could probably pull that off.
You could rock them.
Jordan (26:44):
Yeah, guild Arts would that.
I could probably pull that off.
You could rock them.
Um, yeah, guild arts would work, which he's dope.
I mean, he's just cool as shitright, yeah, absolutely yeah.
Andrew (26:48):
I mean, the only character I could be from solo
loving, uh, solo leveling is theold president, bro.
Jordan (26:53):
No see no, the one dude the big guy from is he's from
america is the big guy could behim are you talking about the
guy with the wild red hair?
Andrew (27:02):
I think that's the guy.
Yes, dude, are you talkingabout the guy with the wild red
hair?
I think that's the guy.
Yes.
Dude, it could be him the WhiteTiger Guild.
Okay, the guy from the WhiteTiger Guild.
Jordan (27:09):
No, that's not the same guy who are you talking about oh
?
The big ass dude.
He's Bill.
Andrew (27:15):
I know who you're talking about.
You're talking about ThomasAndre.
Jordan (27:18):
Yes, dude, yes, 100%.
Thomas Andre, yes, dude, yes,100 which?
Andrew (27:22):
for those that, yeah, aren't reading or following the
web comic or the uh epic lightnovels yeah, great character.
Jordan (27:31):
We won't say anything else about that no, no, just
hawaiian shirt man or the tie,you gotta rock the tie, yeah,
dude, you could kill him yeah,no, that would be great that
would be great right that would,but you gotta wait till it
comes out in the anime, becausethen people don't know.
Yeah Right, they're like whyare you some weird Hawaiian
trooper?
I don't know, I'm not, I don'thave the swag of Sun Jin Woo or
(27:52):
whatever.
I can't do it.
His voice is too deep.
I can't it ready, wait, I'mgonna go for it.
Andrew (28:04):
Hold on ready, all right .
No, that's not my style.
Like I can, uh, yeah, I.
I have way too much of my voice.
And you're right, absolutelyright, thomas andre.
That would be the best fit forme for anime character hasn't
even been drawn yet.
Jordan (28:20):
Well, he will be.
I'm sure I don't know if he'llbe this season.
Actually, I don't even know, Idon't.
Well, he will be, I'm sure.
I don't know if he'll be thisseason.
Andrew (28:26):
Actually, I don't even know.
I don't think so.
It depends.
They've changed a few things upstoryline-wise, so it could be
at the tail end of the season orit might not be until the next
season.
See, that's the problem, is I?
Jordan (28:36):
read it so long ago I can't remember the sequence.
Andrew (28:50):
Like I remember the big stuff.
Jordan (28:50):
Yeah, I'm assuming it's gonna.
This season will be ending withthe, the ant stuff, you know,
the island stuff.
Yeah, yeah, which would beawesome.
Uh, bear bears there?
I'm happy that'd be dope, butthat I don't think, tom sandra
is I think he's after yeah, heis absolutely.
Andrew (28:57):
I just finished rereading the light novels and,
uh, it would be well after, wellafter the jeju island arc yeah,
and I think what they're doing12 episodes, right?
Jordan (29:06):
yeah, I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, so it's gonna be a minute, yeah, I agree.
Well, man, I mean hunter xhunter, yeah, before you finish
yeah, we didn't get to go intoit.
Really.
Hunter x hunter the reboot Idon't know why they would reboot
the anime to start over.
That would be silly, becausethe last one was 2011.
It's still pretty good.
I mean, you just finished it,right?
Yeah?
Andrew (29:25):
no, I'm not done yet.
And screw you, dude bro, forgetting me to watch an anime
that is not complete.
Jordan (29:32):
It is complete, though it's not complete, dude it
really kind of is, though it'snot a complete storyline so look
, man, I don't want to spoil itfor you, but like the manga,
it's not even like it followsdifferent.
I don't know.
It's actually complete.
When you finish it you'll belike okay, and then I'll, then
I'll, then I'll tell you yeah,and then you'll be like okay.
(29:53):
So in a way it is kind ofcomplete, yes, but please finish
, what are you waiting on?
Andrew (29:58):
finish the story, sir I got busy, I'm going to finish it
.
I'm in like I'm in the, I'm inthe 60s, maybe in the 70s
episode how many is it 130?
Jordan (30:07):
120, 130, something like that yeah, so you, you did, you
get to.
You can finish greed islandright, yeah, I am.
Andrew (30:15):
I think I'm in the second episode after greed
island, so I'm just great on wasso good, dude.
Jordan (30:20):
So greed island yeah, that was my favorite art.
And then the last, probably thelast in the show.
No, but like reboot, I don'tknow, would be cool, uh.
But I think they're gonna doprobably the continuation.
I mean, that's the one thatmakes sense, but the guy always
does the manga, then he quitsfor seven months.
Andrew (30:38):
Yeah, well, uh, I think we've probably covered
everything we should cover fortonight for an origin episode.
Jordan (30:46):
Yeah, absolutely, let's do it.
Andrew (30:54):
Thanks for jumping into the realm with us today.
Be sure to follow Realm Jumperswherever you get your podcasts,
and don't forget to share yourthoughts, theories and favorite
moments with us.
Jordan (31:02):
Stay epic and keep exploring the worlds you love.
Leave us a review on yourpodcast platform and, if you're
stuck on what to say, let usknow what your favorite anime is
.
See you in the next realm,thank you.
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