June 19, 2025 • 37 mins
Fantasy tropes are the comfort food of storytelling—sometimes predictable, often criticized, yet we keep coming back for more. From tavern scenes where empires fall to reluctant heroes who never wanted their power, certain patterns persist across books, anime, and games for good reason.
In this episode, Andrew and Jordan dive into the fantasy clichés they'll defend to the death and the ones that make them groan despite secretly loving them. They start with the quintessential fantasy tavern—that humble setting where heroes meet and quests begin. From the Prancing Pony in Lord of the Rings to the revolutionary planning sessions in Mistborn, these establishments never seem to lose their charm or narrative usefulness.
The conversation moves to the emotional gut-punch of mentor deaths, examining why authors keep killing off the coolest characters. Is Kelsier's death in Mistborn necessary storytelling or just manipulation? What about Ned Stark in Game of Thrones? Our hosts debate when this trope works and when it feels like a cheap trick that leaves protagonists struggling to fill the void.
Next, they explore the desert warrior tribes that populate fantasy landscapes—from the Aiel in Wheel of Time to the Hidden Sand Village in Naruto—and why these cultures are consistently portrayed as the deadliest fighters in their universes. They also dive into the significance of named magical weapons and the suspicious tendency of fantasy royalty to wear hoods in public.
The discussion tackles the ubiquitous reluctant chosen one and found family dynamics that appear in virtually every fantasy ensemble cast. Andrew offers a passionate critique of how some series use found families as shortcuts around meaningful character development, contrasting examples that get it right with those that fall flat.
The episode wraps with anime industry news, including Jujutsu Kaisen's impressive performance on bestseller lists and the trend of series saving their climactic content for theatrical releases rather than streaming platforms.
Whether you're a fantasy novel devotee, an anime enthusiast, or simply curious about what makes these genres tick, this episode offers insights into the storytelling patterns that define our favorite fictional worlds. Subscribe now and join our journey through the realms of fantasy and anime!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to Realm Jumpers.
I'm Andrew and this is myco-host, jordan.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hey everyone.
We're here to dive into theworlds of fantasy and anime,
bringing you epic stories andunforgettable adventures.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
We'll be talking world building, unforgettable
villains and everything thatmakes these genres legendary.
So let's jump into the Realmand everything that makes these
genres legendary.
So let's jump into the realm.
Tonight we're kicking back anddiving into our favorite fantasy
tropes, the ones we never gettired of, the ones we'll defend
to the death, and maybe a fewthat make us grown, but still
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secretly, From epic tavernscenes to overpowered mentors,
Mysteria's past.
We're talking about the storybeats that keep us coming back
to the genre again and again ohyeah, there's.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Uh, this fun story beats how you doing bud I'm
chilling.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It's been a good week .
So you know, here we are.
Uh, I'm ready to record fantasystuff.
You know it's it's obviouslyyeah, uh, this is, yeah,
probably one of my favoritetimes of the week.
I definitely won't say thefavorite, otherwise I might get
my kids might disown me.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
You get in trouble.
It's the, it is.
It's up there, right, it's topfive.
No, it's good.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
It's definitely up there.
It's definitely up there andthere's no shame in that.
It's fun, dude.
So shall we dive into the maintopic?
Yes, man, let's, uh, let's jumpon the first one.
It looks like a fantasy tavern,yeah, I mean.
So the fantasy tavern, right,every single series that I can
think of fantasy related highfantasy, low fantasy, light
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novels, manga, anime they allhave a fantasy tavern, right,
just absolutely.
It's like it's a quintessential, it's the quintessential, it's
like one of the quintessentialbackdrops of any fantasy story.
Um, it so many series makes itwork.
Well, too, it's not just abouthaving the fantasy in or the
fantasy tavern, but it's just somany stories make it work.
(01:54):
Right, wheel of time, you'vegot so many clutch scenes that
happen in, you know, in one inor another.
Um, from the show to the books.
I'm primarily, you know, goingoff of the books here, but I can
think of several, you know,scenes from the show that were
key moments for some of thecharacters.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I mean dude in Mistborn like they plan the
downfall of the final empire.
Yes, and they're drinking beerIn the tavern when they're
getting drunk and making Matt,like you know, drawing on the
thing and this and this.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
you know so a hundred percent.
Um, it's super important, man.
Yeah, no, it has to be right, Idon't know.
And again, it's just, it'severywhere.
You look Right and like Lord ofthe Rings, aragorn or Aragorn,
you know that scene.
Um, at the prancing pony, when,when the uh, when the hobbits
first show up at the, at the end, you know Aragorn's just
chilling over there in thecorner with a cloak on his head,
which, by the way, that kicksinto one of my other tropes
later.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Wait, wait, was he aura maxing, as the kids say?
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Was he aura farming he was kind of hiding.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I mean, he's hiding.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
But the hood, you know what you're doing, man.
You know Aragorn's onecharacter that I could almost
say doesn't aura form, I don'tknow.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
there's something about the dude with the freaking
hood just chilling in thecorner.
You know he's a badass, youknow.
You just feel it.
It's there.
It's always the hoodie right,it's the hoodie man.
We need cloaks.
Bring back cloaks.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Right and then.
So another one for me thatreally, where it really plays a
key, key importance it's prettymuch the entire story is the
Kingkiller Chronicles.
I don't think you've read thatyet.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I'll get you to it eventually.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Okay, giving anything away to say this, but he's
telling the story of his pastlife, and by his past life I
mean, you know the past fiveyears.
So he's telling it from atavern.
That's kind of cool, oh yeah.
And then when you drop backinto the younger version of the
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character, there are so many ofthe most important scenes happen
in a tavern or an inn that youcan literally um, it's, I don't
know.
50% of the book happens in aninn or a tavern, and it's still
interesting.
It might not be that high.
But by the end of the time, bythe end of the books, when you
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tab them up, you're like, wow,most of the important shit
happened in an inn.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Well, hey, I guess it's a trope for a reason then,
huh, we're not sick of it, we'reeating it up.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
No, yeah, I mean I don't know, it's just got to be
there.
It's one of those things thathas to be there.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
You know, I never sat there and thought about how
many, and now, when you'rebringing this up, I'm like there
really is a lot that happens intaverns.
There truly is a lot of pivotalmoments, even battles.
I mean now that I'm eventhinking about it.
In one of the books I justfinished, the Devils by Joe
Abercrombie, there's an awesometavern battle scene in it.
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It's like one of the first onesin the book and it was brutal
and crazy.
I'm like, okay, yeah, all right, well, that's good to know,
it's good to check that box.
I think the one man, it's justit's, it's like it's important
and you need it for emotionaldamage purposes, but as a reader
, it's always like man, how areyou gonna take the coolest
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character out the game?
You know what I mean and I Ialmost wonder like and sometimes
I'm sure you felt this wherethey get rid of that character
and you're just like I likewhat's going on, but like I
would have liked it more ifyou're still like I like what's
going on, but like I would haveliked it more if you're still
alive.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
One of those situations yeah, the mentor dies
for emotional damage is fantasystaple dude I I.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
There's not many series I can think of where it
doesn't happen yeah, I mean, andeven in, I mean anime, out out
the ass.
You see it too all the time andyeah, freaking uh Kamina from
uh Gurren Lagann and but thething is like they have to like
the, the, the main character, if, if they can't meet, you know,
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the mentor characters, cool andthe factor I still, it's always
a little bit of a minus for me.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, this and this is why I said it that way the
mentor dies for emotional damage, because it's not always for
actual plots.
There are series where it'sliterally just they're stacking
on the emotional damage to screwwith you.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, you see that and then you'll see, sometimes
the mentor character's toostrong or too cool and you're
like they're overshadowing themain character.
Is too strong or too cool andyou're like they're
overshadowing the main character, I don't know, it happens a lot
, I feel.
I don't think I've ever seen aseries where the main character
is cooler than the mentor.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
And for anybody's that thinking about this and
they're doubting me I let's rundown some of the lists.
You know what I mean For sure.
First off, gandalf.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Lord of the ranks highly emotionally damaged the
entire party.
He's boring kelsey frommistborn dude to this day.
As cool as vin is by the lastbook, badass girl, here was the
man.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
He's just cooler, I'm sorry you know who else we got?
We got more rain from uh wheelof time.
Oh, yeah, yeah, and you knowthis is definitely a huge
spoiler.
Okay, so she's not perma dead,but that doesn't matter.
Like everybody thinks she'sdead, it's still dead.
You know a little.
And then tom marilyn, also fromwheel of time, again not perma
dead, but everybody thinks he'sdead and it affects the
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character.
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I meanyou know go, joe.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I mean it goes on and not you just.
It's just, it's part of thegame, but it's just.
Sometimes I do feel it's aminus, though you know I get it
that almost went under tropes.
That kind of make me go it justso it can, for sure, but it
depends on how well it's pulledoff and if the other characters
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step up to the plate in a waythat you feel like is good
enough.
So it's fallen a couple oftimes into that for me.
Where I'm like man, it's just Iget it.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
But yeah you know which series like I don't know
off the cuff, which series doesthat fall short for?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
So so I have a book one and I have an anime.
So the book one, I loveMistborn man, I love it, I love
the character, but him beingtaken out of the story like that
super important to the series,super important to the story,
like I get it, but it did feellike a level down of like the
excitement factor of reading thebook because he was such a cool
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, interesting character and hewasn't really a good guy like I
mean, not really.
He's kind of terrible.
Yeah, he's like just murderingwhoever noble he wants.
Um, and I get vin's, the maincharacter and she's here ages.
Well, whatever, I'm not gonnaspoil that anyway it I get it.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You roll into that book thinking kelsey is the hero
you do.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
And then when he dies you're like, okay, but like
vin's, nowhere near as cool ashim and she kind of has to spend
two books and she ends upgetting stronger, but she
doesn't have the that I mean.
You know he had the whole crewlike he was the leader.
She never really became theleader of the crew.
In my opinion, she was alwayslike the head strong I'm going
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to do it my way but she wasnever like the charismatic
leader.
You know what I mean.
And it never really.
And she didn't become that.
Not that she had to, but thatto me I always was like man.
I I wish she would have stayed.
I don't know, I don't know manit was.
It was just it's hurt, he died.
I was like damn it.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
You know I was shocked.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I was like yo he just died.
What is happening?
Speaker 1 (09:21):
that one messed with me hard, honestly, because, like
I said I, you go into that bookexpecting kelsey, or, and then
you're like they killed him what?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
why is he dead?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
like he's coming back the next book, right.
And then you're like and thenno, what, what?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
yeah, no, yeah, it was.
Uh, yeah, that was what.
And then my anime one.
I mean, it's an easy take gojo,like he's so cool he's on my
freaking shirt.
He's so cool like poor yuji,like I like him.
He's the king of hands, heloves punching.
But he's not as cool like it's.
I'm sorry, you're never gonnabe that charismatic, cool
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character.
And you know gojo's just hispowers are cool.
He's just a cool.
You know he's got personalityfor days.
He's cocky like the dude's justa good character and he
definitely overshadowed everycharacter in that series right I
?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I think that was the only way they could nerf joe, a
little like they have to nerfthis guy we just got to kill him
.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
You got to get rid of him because he's just his, his.
Him being alive is guaranteeingthe good guys are going to win,
no matter what there's's like,not even a question.
You know what I mean, typething.
But yeah, what about for you?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I actually can't think of any right off my head.
Wow, that one usually doesn'tpiss me off that bad Like it
throws me for a loop.
I question reality, but itdoesn't usually.
It doesn't usually make me go.
Man, this was poorly written.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Well, that's the thing.
I don't know if they're poorlywritten, I think it's just you,
just as a reader and a fan,disappointed a little bit.
You know what I mean.
But that's good If you're thatconnected to the character and
they get rid of them and it'snot a lame way or whatever.
And the story does proceed.
And Calciers, he loomed largein the rest of that book I got
one I got one eddard, stark gameof thrones.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Oh dude, you know what?
I felt solid he was just killedfor the sake of killing dude.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I I never, I never read it.
So when I watched that firstseason I went in blind and I
watched that when I was likewhat you just decapitated this
dude like this, like who's themain character.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
His sons never stepped up to the plate.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I mean, they never filled the hole of his character
.
You know that's a good one,dude, because that was pretty
shocking and it was kind of likedid it really add anything?
I guess it started the war, Idon't know.
Yeah, yeah, I'd still love tosee a series about him younger,
during the rebellion, that'd bedope, be good, uh, well, I don't
know.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
It's I.
If you make a story about edardstark, young robert is gonna
take the main stage.
I think, like I don't thinkthat's fine, I don't even care.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
A young edard stark story without robert is gonna
take the main stage.
I think like I don't thinkthat's fine, I don't care young
edard.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Stark story without robert taking the main stage,
and let him just have them both.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Whatever, I want to see that war play out, man it
would be fine, that could begood that could be good.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
No, they're gonna run that brain to the ground.
I don't care about reading abook about that, but at least
put out like a one hit series,like, just do a one bro, one
season, it would be cool as shit.
Man don't try, don't try tostretch it out.
Don't ruin it and try tostretch it out.
Just do 10 episodes of likethese two guys, perfect
everybody murdering everyoneelse giant civil war like murder
hobo on the entire countryabsolutely war, battle.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Move it along, let's fucking go.
I I hope they make it, I don'tknow the next one.
I mean you just made that up,you're?
You're itching the uh, bleep,my love, my love for bleach,
here with magic swords, withnames.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I mean, come on man so that's another one that just
like that's fantasy.
Right, you can't, you gottahave an excalibur dude.
Uh, you know, calendar fromwheel of time.
You know you have to have thesword name, which, by the way,
nightblood from warbreaker.
I know it's a completelyseparate novel, but nightblood
is also in stormlight.
So when you get to the portionswith nightblood, the sword
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nightblood, it's a freakingsentient being and it's snarky
as hell.
Dude, that's great that'sawesome, thirsty and yeah,
that's great so you've got abloodthirsty maniac that's just
like give me blood kill morepeople.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, I'm all in on that.
Yeah, the sword thing is legit,man, that's it elevates it
immediately.
When I started reading this oneuh, stormlight I was like, oh,
they got cool swords.
There's powers, they got names.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I'm like, oh man, this is cool and then you know,
like lord of the rings, everysingle sword and knife in that
show hasn't.
That's a name and a history,and a history, 400 years yeah or
we have deed of rights for thissword place yeah, it's, it's
ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I like the next one, though man, the, uh, the desert
mountain tribe people like, andthey're just badass like every
time, like no, no, they all knowhow to fight, they're, they're
deadly with a pencil, everythingwhatever, like it doesn't
matter, they're gonna kill you.
And they're not gonna be smiledbecause they don't have
emotions usually.
This is the john wick of thedesert people that it's a great
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trope, because when you, whenyou listed, I started reading,
I'm like, oh yep, check, check,check, check, check yeah, all
these series, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
So do you have a favorite tribe?
Desert people, that's like theop tribe the op tribe.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Uh, let's see, I would probably say, oh man, for
me it's a toss-up between thehidden sand village and the ish
volans and full metal alchemist.
But the thing with the ishvolans is I give them a lot of
points because they're juststraight balls, because they
didn't even have alchemists.
Really.
The freaking other dudes showup throwing fire and making
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hands of stone and they're justlike shooting pistols and shit,
like I give them like we havereligion.
We have religion and we're gonnashoot you like cool and they're
like cool, I'm gonna what thebomb guy remember he can like
it's, it's, it's out of control.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Fire like they still are right if they just named him
scar did he actually have aname in the sea.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I know he had a name, but I don't remember his name,
but I think that character wasdefinitely really a cool
character because he's like thelastest fall, freaking,
genocidedocided everybody andhe's just like I'm going to kill
as many alchemists as I canbecause you people blew my
country out, so let's go.
Yeah, I think they would be oneof my favorites.
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And then, for sure, you knowthe hidden sand village man.
You know, gar is cool.
I'm sorry he's a little psycho,but they live in the desert.
What do you want?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
man, there's.
No, yeah, there's no grass likeit's terrible.
For me it's the aiel and youknow, wheel of time, um, and I
gotta say for everybody thatonly watched the show and never
seen the series, or they've onlywatched the show and has never
read the series, man, they getso much more op and it's just,
it's great, um, I love it.
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That should be my answer, right, but my real answer is the
tribe.
I've written into my own storythat I wasn't even thinking
about that.
I made an OP desert tribe and Iwas like, well, there you go,
check more.
It would be Wheel of Time, theAiel, they're, so they're, I
don't know.
Find me a better tribe ofperfect killers that are also
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like poetic.
They're like the Irish,japanese samurai of the desert,
which makes no sense.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, yeah, because the Freedmen weren't like that
in Dune.
They were cool, the Freedmenwere just straight up mercs,
yeah Me.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
You know what I mean.
Like that's the way I.
Like they were just hard.
People I yield were hard, butalso they were poetic and yeah,
it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, absolutely well , I see your next one.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
You're right about the uh royal team disguise dude,
I mean, okay, so I didn't even,I didn't even specifically come
with like examples on this,because just just let me paint
you a little picture.
You have an encounter, you'reyou're the main character,
whatever setting this is anime,fantasy, whatever you're walking
down the street and you bumpinto a shadowed character
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wearing a hood and you knockover their belongings and they
quickly run away, immediately.
That's royalty and that happensso often.
That scenario happens so often,and even in smaller ways.
Right, aragorn in you know,sitting in the end with his hood
, like not telling anybody athome.
You know, like I'm royalty,he's royalty, it happens all the
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time.
So, yeah, I didn't come withlike specific examples for this
one, because that one's justsuch a it could be grown by the
way, depending on how it's thatone's just such a it could be
grown, by the way, depending onhow it's handled.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, it could be a grown one.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
It can definitely be done wrong and you roll your
eyes at it for sure.
But you know between anime,manga and just regular fantasy,
although I I will say it'sprobably more prevalent in anime
.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Oh yeah and it's always the.
It's the princess, queen, haremnumber one in the harem girl.
Every, every time, every time.
Oh, that's the one.
I don't even know who you are.
Ok, all right, here we go.
Here we go with the trope.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, sometimes you have to team up with them later.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Absolutely, you have to team up with them or protect
them or take them somewhere, orhey, I have a magic item, or
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I couldsee it.
Yeah, this next one, though Imean it's kind of like the
foundation of like every.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
it is the foundation for everything it's the
foundation for every fantasystory and yet, at the same time,
it is the trope that makes megroan the most often, because
the reluctant, chosen bro that'severy single story period hands
down, no matter what wheel oftime.
Check, lord of the rings,double check, you got multiple
heroes that don't want to be.
(18:44):
Um, what else are we going with?
I?
mean miss stormlight check missborn, check every single anime,
that's not, you know like justabout every isekai anime.
Same same thing.
Oh, I landed here.
I've got a crap load of power.
I don't really want to be, Idon't want to do anything, right
?
Yeah, I just want to relax, Igo hide.
You know, there's a reason thatpersists and this is where it's
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not done as well, right, whenyou've got like, oh, chilling in
another world with my op skillsat level two like bro.
I hate the titles bro I get it.
You don't want to be the hero.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
They're always so so long.
Just shorten that up, dude.
It's always they're likegetting longer and that actually
is probably a fricking animeright now.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Ironically, getting longer.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah, it's like, it's like yeah, why are we adding a
full paragraph for titles?
Well, yeah, woke up, anotherworld stubbed my toe.
I'm level nine, but my reviveis level 15.
It's like, bro, what are we?
What are we talking about, dude?
Can we just have like rebornanother, like just cut that down
to like four words, man, that'sthe new thing, though it was
never like that before you.
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Growing up, I don't rememberanime with like super long
titles like no, I will notreally did two words no, I can't
.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
I can't think of any, I'm just saying I can't have
access to read the originaltitle, you know it's not like we
yeah, you're right about thatyou didn't have the same access
back then that's probably whatit is.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
That's probably dragon ball z's actual title I
think it is dragon ball z, but Ithink they're sure it's, not 85
words.
Uh, I know attack on titan hasa different title the search for
seven golden balls that makewishes bro, I'm dead but you
know what, though?
You're absolutely right,because it can be so just
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obnoxious and just lame, butthen it could be amazing.
But a lot of times you're like,just once, can we get someone
who's like, yeah, I'm thefreaking hero and I'm gonna own
it just be cocky about it.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
I, I can, I don't know, let me, let me think here.
Let me.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I'm sure somebody's done this for a second.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Someone has to have done this dude, because I'm
thinking maybe and this isrelatively and it's more like a
progression lit fantasy type ofthing so written.
Well, he who fights withmonsters, homie's not really
reluctant about it at all, likeI mean, maybe sometimes he's
reluctant, but for the most parthe's just like cool superpowers
, let's go kill shit I mean theuh arthur from uh slideshow oh
(21:11):
well, yeah, okay, no, you'reright, he's not reluctant at all
he's like no chance, let's,let's live actually no, I gotta
take that back.
When you get later on down theroad, when you come into the war
, when that, when you get to theactual he's like don't put me
in charge of this stuff uh, well, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
He already kind of played that role once, right the
king role.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
No, I well, he just wants to take his family and run
.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I actually that's the like.
That show is so interestingbecause I hate the anime style
of it Like God.
But I really like I'm going tojust keep watching it.
But I don't know what it is.
It's not super special but itdoes blend a lot of cool stuff
in different ways.
I do like that, I mean you'realready reading.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Just read the book, not even the webtoon, and that's
good Stunning art, but justread the books, yeah yeah, I may
have to.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I like the character a lot.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
He's, he's cool he's gonna be happy, he's a lot.
So this next one and this onepisses me off a lot.
This one, it it does usuallywork, but all it, this probably
pisses me off more than anyother thing in fantasy that I
can think of.
Um, the found family, andhere's the reason why this, all
the time they it's a lazy, it'sa lazy get around, it's a lazy
(22:28):
work around for character can be.
Because you know, there are somany stories out there where
anime, light novel, whateverhigh fantasy, there are so many
stories out there where it'sjust like we're family now and
then nobody really grows,there's no introspection, nobody
grows.
Like like here, like I'll paintyou two different pictures,
(22:49):
right, and I don't know if youread lord of the rings or not,
but um, you know, you gotlegolas and gimli, the.
You know like opposites, right,you got an elf in the drawer.
They spend, they spend the.
You know, like opposites, right, you get an elf and a dwarf,
they spend, they spend theentire series.
You know, first from insultingto realizing they have.
You know, there's a grudgingrespect to to like actively
(23:10):
looking out for each other, butnot like vocalizing it.
To finally like hey, we'refriendly rivals and now we're
going gonna travel the worldtogether.
We're gonna go everywheretogether.
Now that the story is over, nowwe got a separate picture and I
love sanderson, but you getmiss born.
He introduces the entire crew.
They're, you're kind ofintroduced as found family.
(23:31):
We're all in this together, butthen really they're kind of
just there to support kelsear'sinsanity.
Like you know, they're there asa running commentary on
whatever insane thing kelsearhas chosen to do, and they, they
keep saying that too.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
They're like we really, you know we should
really rein him in.
You know they kind of like theykeep bringing it up but nobody
ever really does it.
And you know, what'sinteresting about that is that
while when the few of them doget killed as you go along and
you're just like I don't carebecause you have no like, you
don't have any kind of bond withit, with with a lot of them.
(24:06):
But some of the side characters.
And then in the last book, whenit goes to the kid who's um
starts wearing the tin eye kid Ican't think of his name right
now I, I'm not gonna rememberthat, right yeah yeah it focuses
on.
He's like a main character ofthe third book and I'm like I
mean, I remember him, but likehe was never important at all,
literally.
And then he's like he'sliterally a huge part of the
(24:28):
last book no-transcript don'tcare and I agree with you, it
(24:50):
didn't never felt like, eventhen when he dies, like yeah,
vin's still around witheverybody, but like they don't.
I didn't feel like they lovedher, I guess, but they didn't
love her like a little sister.
It kind of was just like youwere Kelsey's protege, so like
and you're the strongest onearound, so we need you and we're
going to be cool and they alllike each other.
(25:11):
I never felt the family vibedude, only her.
I felt that vibe.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
This is where you insert the Vin Diesel family
meme.
I felt that vibe.
This is where you insert theVin Diesel family meme Family,
because that's the vibe I getfrom most of them.
I will paint you anotherpicture of a story, a series.
You should also read Blood Songby Anthony Ryan.
So this kid gets ganked awayfrom.
Well, okay, rephrase this kidin some medieval world.
(25:37):
His dad drops him off at thisrando castle at the very
beginning of the story and onceyou get to the prologue right,
I'm talking like once you get tohis dad drops him off this
rando castle and he's supposedto become like a brother of the
Sixth Order, which is basicallysome like version of monk versus
like a monk slash like greatestwarriors ever trained.
(25:59):
Because that's what happens.
They throw these boys togetherin this group, like it's like a
mix of spartan training.
I was gonna say it sounds likeyeah, yeah it's like a mix of
spartan training and some otherthings, like they teach them to
thief.
You know they teach them to bethieves, but also you get your
ass beat if you get caught.
Um, you know they teach them tofight.
They teach them to kill and,more important, you know, most
(26:22):
importantly, they teach them towatch each other's backs.
That is a found family, becauseby late in the book or
Bloodsong, the first book of theseries, you know they really
feel their brother's actionswhen something is not done right
or they go against code.
You know that's really felt andyou know you feel that in the
(26:42):
bonds.
You feel that in the book, inthe way it's written and it's
just, it's done very well, butfor the most part the found
family stuff yeah, you reallygotta, you gotta do it right
like the again the devils, it'slike a month.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
They're all monsters, they're all selfish, literal
monsters, a lot of them.
But you get this like villainslash, suicide squad thing where
they actually kind of do likeeach other.
It's kind of what you weresaying with, like Legolas, like
they do respect each other asthe story goes on, because
they're only alive because ofeach other by the end of the
book.
So it is, you're right, youhave to really do it, and no one
(27:16):
ever calls each other family inthat book.
But yeah, absolutely I'm withyou on that.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
All right, homie.
What do we family?
What do we have?
What do we got for Realm Rumorsthis week?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
So we got some cool ones.
One of the more interestingones and fun ones is Jujutsu
Kaisen is ranked number two onthe New York Times June
bestseller list in the graphicnovels and comic and manga
category.
It's pretty, it's pretty dope.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
So I know, I know about the new york time
bestseller list, but uh,historically what are there?
Is this like the first manga tohit um?
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I don't think it's on .
I think they have a separatelist for comics.
Actually, I don't think it's aspart of, like, the novel stuff.
I'm sure they, I'm sure they do, I'm sure everyone has done it,
but this one is um,specifically, uh, graphic novels
and stuff.
That's number two.
Number five is chainsaw man, soone of the volumes, um, and the
number 15 is another volume ofjust two kaizen.
(28:21):
So, like everyone knows, it'svery popular in america for sure
, for sure I sure thought thiswas gonna mention solo.
I thought that's where we're no,it's not, at least not in june.
But you know they do have thebooks I mean and the.
They even have the webtoonbooks too, they've I mean the
books are solid.
Dude the books are solid I Ienjoyed them yeah, they're good,
(28:42):
and our other one is, uh, dandan season two.
That's just not out yet.
They had an anime theatricalscreening and it earned five
milli.
I mean that's pretty cool, man.
It's not a bad amount of moneyfor just an episode or two of
the anime.
So I mean it's not out yet,obviously no yeah, that's not a
bad deal.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Um well, in anime always does limited theatrical
release too.
This wasn't like it openedeverywhere yeah, it was very
limited.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Um, and it's funny because I I think it's good that
they can do stuff like this oranimated movies and make some
money.
I think that's cool.
But where it's not cool iswhere, like demon slayer, the
last part of it is gonna bemovies.
So you're either gonna have togo see it or wait for it to come
out, or whatever I don't know.
Um, I don't particularly likethe idea that a series that's
(29:31):
come, that's out, is then gonnado movies at the end to try to
milk out money.
I don't know if I don't reallylike that that much.
I like that, my hero.
They do their own stories forthe movie and they are actually
canon to the story, um, and arementioned later with other
characters in the actual series.
You'll see that, um, but I'mnot a big fan of demon slayer.
Like hey, the climax of thewhole story.
(29:52):
We're only doing movies, so goto the movie theater to see it
or you can wait a year.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
It's kind of lame yeah, is the the dandy dan one?
Is that canon or is that justyeah?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
it's.
I think it's literally like thefirst couple episodes of season
two that's gonna come out.
They just released it early inthe movie theater and people
wanted to see it.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah, I mean, that's the thing is whatever they made
money dude, well, the demonslayer did this before with the
uh, mugen train thing.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Oh so demon slayer started it.
Well, they did the demon, themugen train thing and then it
made money and then theyreleased it as an ep, as
episodes.
So, like you know, that's fine.
But you know, to just say, hey,we're actually not gonna make
the last season, we're justgonna do like movies, it's kind
of crazy where was I mean so forlike the longest time.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
It's like for me, you think, anime movie, not canon,
and that's always been mythought, you know, because like
the naruto stuff was any of thatcanon besides like only the
last right, I think the last oneand I think the one with the
moon one was.
I'm not 100, though, on thatbut you know, and then you got
stuff like one piece who putsout?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
they put out movies like it's going out of style and
they're not canon right rightas far as I know here's what's
weird like the dragon ball,super movies are the broly one
and then the uh max super max,cell, whatever.
Those are canon.
Um, the my hero movies aretechnically canon because they
do get referenced in the show,although they're side stories,
so you don't really it's notgonna affect you if you don't
(31:17):
watch it, but if you do, you'llnotice characters, which is kind
of cool like canada jason yeah,it's weird.
Um, chainsaw man has a moviecoming out that looks awesome.
It is is canon, because I readthe manga and this is literally
a storyline and they're doing itas a movie.
So I guess it's just to raisemoney and make money, which is
fine.
But it is kind of weird too,because we're in this weird zone
(31:38):
where they can come out weeklyfor three months or whatever and
then they do a movie and thenthey do this.
So anime is just different.
Now.
I mean, people go to the movietheater.
I've been.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
I watched the dragon ball super movie with brawley in
the movie theater was fuckingawesome actually I don't think
I've, I don't think I've everseen an anime, anything on the
big screen dude I need toresolve that like yeah.
So I kicked myself when Imissed locally, you know for us
um, oh god, blanked them I don'tknow which one.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I don't know was it recent?
Speaker 1 (32:08):
hell man.
A couple years ago it was umpsychopaths.
They released a movie and theyactually had it.
It was limited release, but weactually had it local.
Oh, that would have been coolto see that, and I kicked myself
because I missed it by likefive days by the time I saw the
by the time I saw the article oncountry roll, I was like yo.
The last day was yesterday.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Oh, I'll be so mad.
Well, we're going to have to gosee something.
Maybe we'll do the Demon Slayerones.
Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Well, yeah, I don't know anything, and like I would
just like to see a good anime onthe big screen, that's pretty
cool.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
It's actually pretty and you always have good fans
when you're there.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
You don't have stupid , stupid people there.
Everyone's always like veryrespectful and like excited to
be there.
I absolutely thought you werecoming at me tonight with solo
leveling news.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
We're all waiting on whatever.
If they're, I guess it's over.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
I don't know I saw a couple of things and I'm like I
think we're probably going totalk about this well, did they
announce another season, uh?
No, I don't care.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
No, yeah, exactly right if they didn't say season
three yet, which I think they'relooking to wait like two years,
I don't know, apparently, or ifyou're not giving me another
Dragon Ball Super season yetit's only been nine years.
Like, what are we doing?
What are we getting morecontent?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
You ready for this hot take dude?
Yeah, let's do it All right.
Would you rather be stuck in adungeon with Golem or have to
babysit joffrey for a week?
Oh my god without killing him,without killing joffrey do I
have the ring?
Or no, the one ring.
This is open to interpretation.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
If I have the one ring let's call it bilbo style.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
He, the ring is there and you don't have it yet.
Oh my god.
Or babysit joffrey for a weekwithout killing him, gollum I
can't.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Joffrey is such a shitbag every day of the week.
Dude.
All right, that kid is, and Ithink he quit acting.
I heard he just was.
He was like I'm out because hegot so that's not really fair
yelling at him at on thefreaking street, but that's
great actor.
He's a great actor.
Maybe he's like I made enoughmoney, I don't care, but he was
just so first off.
(34:09):
Joffrey would just have youkilled for no reason.
Donald will really probablymess with you unless you're
trying to take the ring.
He'll probably just be annoying.
You'll just keep hearing him,my precious, and you're like bro
, stay five feet away like we'regood.
But joffrey would be like hetried to kill you for no reason.
He would literally just be likeI'm you because I'm bored.
That means he's just an asshole.
Like that, you agree, I'massuming.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
No, I absolutely agree.
But here's what I was thinking.
I was thinking it would be morefun to play riddle games with
Gollum, Even with your life onthe line.
It would be more fun to playriddle games with.
Gollum, than it would be totolerate 10 seconds of Joffrey's
presence.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Dude ob to tolerate 10 seconds of joffrey's presence
?
Dude obnoxious, he mightliterally be the worst character
ever, like just the mostpunchable.
His death was so great honestly, it was satisfying it was.
I was like thank god, becausethis dude has just been annoying
since the second he showed upin the show.
You'd be like somebody beat hisdude and the actor played it so
well.
Dude, he was amazing at it.
(35:11):
The other guy that was probablyreally bad too.
The dude that oh my God, he wasa bastard.
He tried to take the North.
I can't remember his name.
He was pretty terrible, but hewas an adult.
You know who I'm talking about.
He was feeding people to thedogs.
That guy you know I'm talkingabout.
He was feeding people to thedogs.
Oh, that guy horrible dude.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Oh my god, it's gonna kill you.
I know later, like an hour, I'mgonna remember 10 seconds after
we're done recording I willstart recording again, just to
scream the name but him.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
As terrible as that guy is, especially with sansa,
joffrey is worse.
I'm sorry, he's just so fuckingI can't do it.
Dude, I know you want.
You're gonna're going to saythat name.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Oh yeah, dude, I have to, I just because it's eating
me alive right now.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, he'd feed.
I remember he fed the people tothe dogs.
Ramsey, snow, jesus, ramsey,he's awful, but Joffrey is just
like I want to drown you likeyou're horrible.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I cannot stay that guy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, allright.
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Good night guys.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I'm going to go ahead and do that.
Welcome to Realm Jumpers.
I'm Andrew and this is myco-host, jordan.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hey everyone.
We're here to dive into theworlds of fantasy and anime,
bringing you epic stories andunforgettable adventures.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
We'll be talking world building, unforgettable
villains and everything thatmakes these genres legendary.
So let's jump into the Realmand everything that makes these
genres legendary.
So let's jump into the realm.
Tonight we're kicking back anddiving into our favorite fantasy
tropes, the ones we never gettired of, the ones we'll defend
to the death, and maybe a fewthat make us grown, but still
(00:37):
secretly, From epic tavernscenes to overpowered mentors,
Mysteria's past.
We're talking about the storybeats that keep us coming back
to the genre again and again ohyeah, there's.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Uh, this fun story beats how you doing bud I'm
chilling.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It's been a good week .
So you know, here we are.
Uh, I'm ready to record fantasystuff.
You know it's it's obviouslyyeah, uh, this is, yeah,
probably one of my favoritetimes of the week.
I definitely won't say thefavorite, otherwise I might get
my kids might disown me.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
You get in trouble.
It's the, it is.
It's up there, right, it's topfive.
No, it's good.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
It's definitely up there.
It's definitely up there andthere's no shame in that.
It's fun, dude.
So shall we dive into the maintopic?
Yes, man, let's, uh, let's jumpon the first one.
It looks like a fantasy tavern,yeah, I mean.
So the fantasy tavern, right,every single series that I can
think of fantasy related highfantasy, low fantasy, light
(01:33):
novels, manga, anime they allhave a fantasy tavern, right,
just absolutely.
It's like it's a quintessential, it's the quintessential, it's
like one of the quintessentialbackdrops of any fantasy story.
Um, it so many series makes itwork.
Well, too, it's not just abouthaving the fantasy in or the
fantasy tavern, but it's just somany stories make it work.
(01:54):
Right, wheel of time, you'vegot so many clutch scenes that
happen in, you know, in one inor another.
Um, from the show to the books.
I'm primarily, you know, goingoff of the books here, but I can
think of several, you know,scenes from the show that were
key moments for some of thecharacters.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I mean dude in Mistborn like they plan the
downfall of the final empire.
Yes, and they're drinking beerIn the tavern when they're
getting drunk and making Matt,like you know, drawing on the
thing and this and this.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
you know so a hundred percent.
Um, it's super important, man.
Yeah, no, it has to be right, Idon't know.
And again, it's just, it'severywhere.
You look Right and like Lord ofthe Rings, aragorn or Aragorn,
you know that scene.
Um, at the prancing pony, when,when the uh, when the hobbits
first show up at the, at the end, you know Aragorn's just
chilling over there in thecorner with a cloak on his head,
which, by the way, that kicksinto one of my other tropes
later.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Wait, wait, was he aura maxing, as the kids say?
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Was he aura farming he was kind of hiding.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I mean, he's hiding.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
But the hood, you know what you're doing, man.
You know Aragorn's onecharacter that I could almost
say doesn't aura form, I don'tknow.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
there's something about the dude with the freaking
hood just chilling in thecorner.
You know he's a badass, youknow.
You just feel it.
It's there.
It's always the hoodie right,it's the hoodie man.
We need cloaks.
Bring back cloaks.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Right and then.
So another one for me thatreally, where it really plays a
key, key importance it's prettymuch the entire story is the
Kingkiller Chronicles.
I don't think you've read thatyet.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I'll get you to it eventually.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Okay, giving anything away to say this, but he's
telling the story of his pastlife, and by his past life I
mean, you know the past fiveyears.
So he's telling it from atavern.
That's kind of cool, oh yeah.
And then when you drop backinto the younger version of the
(03:55):
character, there are so many ofthe most important scenes happen
in a tavern or an inn that youcan literally um, it's, I don't
know.
50% of the book happens in aninn or a tavern, and it's still
interesting.
It might not be that high.
But by the end of the time, bythe end of the books, when you
(04:15):
tab them up, you're like, wow,most of the important shit
happened in an inn.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Well, hey, I guess it's a trope for a reason then,
huh, we're not sick of it, we'reeating it up.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
No, yeah, I mean I don't know, it's just got to be
there.
It's one of those things thathas to be there.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
You know, I never sat there and thought about how
many, and now, when you'rebringing this up, I'm like there
really is a lot that happens intaverns.
There truly is a lot of pivotalmoments, even battles.
I mean now that I'm eventhinking about it.
In one of the books I justfinished, the Devils by Joe
Abercrombie, there's an awesometavern battle scene in it.
(04:52):
It's like one of the first onesin the book and it was brutal
and crazy.
I'm like, okay, yeah, all right, well, that's good to know,
it's good to check that box.
I think the one man, it's justit's, it's like it's important
and you need it for emotionaldamage purposes, but as a reader
, it's always like man, how areyou gonna take the coolest
(05:13):
character out the game?
You know what I mean and I Ialmost wonder like and sometimes
I'm sure you felt this wherethey get rid of that character
and you're just like I likewhat's going on, but like I
would have liked it more ifyou're still like I like what's
going on, but like I would haveliked it more if you're still
alive.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
One of those situations yeah, the mentor dies
for emotional damage is fantasystaple dude I I.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
There's not many series I can think of where it
doesn't happen yeah, I mean, andeven in, I mean anime, out out
the ass.
You see it too all the time andyeah, freaking uh Kamina from
uh Gurren Lagann and but thething is like they have to like
the, the, the main character, if, if they can't meet, you know,
(05:56):
the mentor characters, cool andthe factor I still, it's always
a little bit of a minus for me.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, this and this is why I said it that way the
mentor dies for emotional damage, because it's not always for
actual plots.
There are series where it'sliterally just they're stacking
on the emotional damage to screwwith you.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, you see that and then you'll see, sometimes
the mentor character's toostrong or too cool and you're
like they're overshadowing themain character.
Is too strong or too cool andyou're like they're
overshadowing the main character, I don't know, it happens a lot
, I feel.
I don't think I've ever seen aseries where the main character
is cooler than the mentor.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
And for anybody's that thinking about this and
they're doubting me I let's rundown some of the lists.
You know what I mean For sure.
First off, gandalf.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Lord of the ranks highly emotionally damaged the
entire party.
He's boring kelsey frommistborn dude to this day.
As cool as vin is by the lastbook, badass girl, here was the
man.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
He's just cooler, I'm sorry you know who else we got?
We got more rain from uh wheelof time.
Oh, yeah, yeah, and you knowthis is definitely a huge
spoiler.
Okay, so she's not perma dead,but that doesn't matter.
Like everybody thinks she'sdead, it's still dead.
You know a little.
And then tom marilyn, also fromwheel of time, again not perma
dead, but everybody thinks he'sdead and it affects the
(07:12):
character.
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I meanyou know go, joe.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I mean it goes on and not you just.
It's just, it's part of thegame, but it's just.
Sometimes I do feel it's aminus, though you know I get it
that almost went under tropes.
That kind of make me go it justso it can, for sure, but it
depends on how well it's pulledoff and if the other characters
(07:41):
step up to the plate in a waythat you feel like is good
enough.
So it's fallen a couple oftimes into that for me.
Where I'm like man, it's just Iget it.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
But yeah you know which series like I don't know
off the cuff, which series doesthat fall short for?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
So so I have a book one and I have an anime.
So the book one, I loveMistborn man, I love it, I love
the character, but him beingtaken out of the story like that
super important to the series,super important to the story,
like I get it, but it did feellike a level down of like the
excitement factor of reading thebook because he was such a cool
(08:20):
, interesting character and hewasn't really a good guy like I
mean, not really.
He's kind of terrible.
Yeah, he's like just murderingwhoever noble he wants.
Um, and I get vin's, the maincharacter and she's here ages.
Well, whatever, I'm not gonnaspoil that anyway it I get it.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You roll into that book thinking kelsey is the hero
you do.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
And then when he dies you're like, okay, but like
vin's, nowhere near as cool ashim and she kind of has to spend
two books and she ends upgetting stronger, but she
doesn't have the that I mean.
You know he had the whole crewlike he was the leader.
She never really became theleader of the crew.
In my opinion, she was alwayslike the head strong I'm going
(09:00):
to do it my way but she wasnever like the charismatic
leader.
You know what I mean.
And it never really.
And she didn't become that.
Not that she had to, but thatto me I always was like man.
I I wish she would have stayed.
I don't know, I don't know manit was.
It was just it's hurt, he died.
I was like damn it.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
You know I was shocked.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I was like yo he just died.
What is happening?
Speaker 1 (09:21):
that one messed with me hard, honestly, because, like
I said I, you go into that bookexpecting kelsey, or, and then
you're like they killed him what?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
why is he dead?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
like he's coming back the next book, right.
And then you're like and thenno, what, what?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
yeah, no, yeah, it was.
Uh, yeah, that was what.
And then my anime one.
I mean, it's an easy take gojo,like he's so cool he's on my
freaking shirt.
He's so cool like poor yuji,like I like him.
He's the king of hands, heloves punching.
But he's not as cool like it's.
I'm sorry, you're never gonnabe that charismatic, cool
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character.
And you know gojo's just hispowers are cool.
He's just a cool.
You know he's got personalityfor days.
He's cocky like the dude's justa good character and he
definitely overshadowed everycharacter in that series right I
?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I think that was the only way they could nerf joe, a
little like they have to nerfthis guy we just got to kill him
.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
You got to get rid of him because he's just his, his.
Him being alive is guaranteeingthe good guys are going to win,
no matter what there's's like,not even a question.
You know what I mean, typething.
But yeah, what about for you?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I actually can't think of any right off my head.
Wow, that one usually doesn'tpiss me off that bad Like it
throws me for a loop.
I question reality, but itdoesn't usually.
It doesn't usually make me go.
Man, this was poorly written.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Well, that's the thing.
I don't know if they're poorlywritten, I think it's just you,
just as a reader and a fan,disappointed a little bit.
You know what I mean.
But that's good If you're thatconnected to the character and
they get rid of them and it'snot a lame way or whatever.
And the story does proceed.
And Calciers, he loomed largein the rest of that book I got
one I got one eddard, stark gameof thrones.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Oh dude, you know what?
I felt solid he was just killedfor the sake of killing dude.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I I never, I never read it.
So when I watched that firstseason I went in blind and I
watched that when I was likewhat you just decapitated this
dude like this, like who's themain character.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
His sons never stepped up to the plate.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I mean, they never filled the hole of his character
.
You know that's a good one,dude, because that was pretty
shocking and it was kind of likedid it really add anything?
I guess it started the war, Idon't know.
Yeah, yeah, I'd still love tosee a series about him younger,
during the rebellion, that'd bedope, be good, uh, well, I don't
know.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
It's I.
If you make a story about edardstark, young robert is gonna
take the main stage.
I think, like I don't thinkthat's fine, I don't even care.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
A young edard stark story without robert is gonna
take the main stage.
I think like I don't thinkthat's fine, I don't care young
edard.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Stark story without robert taking the main stage,
and let him just have them both.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Whatever, I want to see that war play out, man it
would be fine, that could begood that could be good.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
No, they're gonna run that brain to the ground.
I don't care about reading abook about that, but at least
put out like a one hit series,like, just do a one bro, one
season, it would be cool as shit.
Man don't try, don't try tostretch it out.
Don't ruin it and try tostretch it out.
Just do 10 episodes of likethese two guys, perfect
everybody murdering everyoneelse giant civil war like murder
hobo on the entire countryabsolutely war, battle.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Move it along, let's fucking go.
I I hope they make it, I don'tknow the next one.
I mean you just made that up,you're?
You're itching the uh, bleep,my love, my love for bleach,
here with magic swords, withnames.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I mean, come on man so that's another one that just
like that's fantasy.
Right, you can't, you gottahave an excalibur dude.
Uh, you know, calendar fromwheel of time.
You know you have to have thesword name, which, by the way,
nightblood from warbreaker.
I know it's a completelyseparate novel, but nightblood
is also in stormlight.
So when you get to the portionswith nightblood, the sword
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nightblood, it's a freakingsentient being and it's snarky
as hell.
Dude, that's great that'sawesome, thirsty and yeah,
that's great so you've got abloodthirsty maniac that's just
like give me blood kill morepeople.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, I'm all in on that.
Yeah, the sword thing is legit,man, that's it elevates it
immediately.
When I started reading this oneuh, stormlight I was like, oh,
they got cool swords.
There's powers, they got names.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I'm like, oh man, this is cool and then you know,
like lord of the rings, everysingle sword and knife in that
show hasn't.
That's a name and a history,and a history, 400 years yeah or
we have deed of rights for thissword place yeah, it's, it's
ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I like the next one, though man, the, uh, the desert
mountain tribe people like, andthey're just badass like every
time, like no, no, they all knowhow to fight, they're, they're
deadly with a pencil, everythingwhatever, like it doesn't
matter, they're gonna kill you.
And they're not gonna be smiledbecause they don't have
emotions usually.
This is the john wick of thedesert people that it's a great
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trope, because when you, whenyou listed, I started reading,
I'm like, oh yep, check, check,check, check, check yeah, all
these series, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
So do you have a favorite tribe?
Desert people, that's like theop tribe the op tribe.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Uh, let's see, I would probably say, oh man, for
me it's a toss-up between thehidden sand village and the ish
volans and full metal alchemist.
But the thing with the ishvolans is I give them a lot of
points because they're juststraight balls, because they
didn't even have alchemists.
Really.
The freaking other dudes showup throwing fire and making
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hands of stone and they're justlike shooting pistols and shit,
like I give them like we havereligion.
We have religion and we're gonnashoot you like cool and they're
like cool, I'm gonna what thebomb guy remember he can like
it's, it's, it's out of control.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Fire like they still are right if they just named him
scar did he actually have aname in the sea.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I know he had a name, but I don't remember his name,
but I think that character wasdefinitely really a cool
character because he's like thelastest fall, freaking,
genocidedocided everybody andhe's just like I'm going to kill
as many alchemists as I canbecause you people blew my
country out, so let's go.
Yeah, I think they would be oneof my favorites.
(15:27):
And then, for sure, you knowthe hidden sand village man.
You know, gar is cool.
I'm sorry he's a little psycho,but they live in the desert.
What do you want?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
man, there's.
No, yeah, there's no grass likeit's terrible.
For me it's the aiel and youknow, wheel of time, um, and I
gotta say for everybody thatonly watched the show and never
seen the series, or they've onlywatched the show and has never
read the series, man, they getso much more op and it's just,
it's great, um, I love it.
(15:54):
That should be my answer, right, but my real answer is the
tribe.
I've written into my own storythat I wasn't even thinking
about that.
I made an OP desert tribe and Iwas like, well, there you go,
check more.
It would be Wheel of Time, theAiel, they're, so they're, I
don't know.
Find me a better tribe ofperfect killers that are also
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like poetic.
They're like the Irish,japanese samurai of the desert,
which makes no sense.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, yeah, because the Freedmen weren't like that
in Dune.
They were cool, the Freedmenwere just straight up mercs,
yeah Me.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
You know what I mean.
Like that's the way I.
Like they were just hard.
People I yield were hard, butalso they were poetic and yeah,
it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, absolutely well , I see your next one.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
You're right about the uh royal team disguise dude,
I mean, okay, so I didn't even,I didn't even specifically come
with like examples on this,because just just let me paint
you a little picture.
You have an encounter, you'reyou're the main character,
whatever setting this is anime,fantasy, whatever you're walking
down the street and you bumpinto a shadowed character
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wearing a hood and you knockover their belongings and they
quickly run away, immediately.
That's royalty and that happensso often.
That scenario happens so often,and even in smaller ways.
Right, aragorn in you know,sitting in the end with his hood
, like not telling anybody athome.
You know, like I'm royalty,he's royalty, it happens all the
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time.
So, yeah, I didn't come withlike specific examples for this
one, because that one's justsuch a it could be grown by the
way, depending on how it's thatone's just such a it could be
grown, by the way, depending onhow it's handled.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, it could be a grown one.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
It can definitely be done wrong and you roll your
eyes at it for sure.
But you know between anime,manga and just regular fantasy,
although I I will say it'sprobably more prevalent in anime
.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Oh yeah and it's always the.
It's the princess, queen, haremnumber one in the harem girl.
Every, every time, every time.
Oh, that's the one.
I don't even know who you are.
Ok, all right, here we go.
Here we go with the trope.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, sometimes you have to team up with them later.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Absolutely, you have to team up with them or protect
them or take them somewhere, orhey, I have a magic item, or
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I couldsee it.
Yeah, this next one, though Imean it's kind of like the
foundation of like every.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
it is the foundation for everything it's the
foundation for every fantasystory and yet, at the same time,
it is the trope that makes megroan the most often, because
the reluctant, chosen bro that'severy single story period hands
down, no matter what wheel oftime.
Check, lord of the rings,double check, you got multiple
heroes that don't want to be.
(18:44):
Um, what else are we going with?
I?
mean miss stormlight check missborn, check every single anime,
that's not, you know like justabout every isekai anime.
Same same thing.
Oh, I landed here.
I've got a crap load of power.
I don't really want to be, Idon't want to do anything, right
?
Yeah, I just want to relax, Igo hide.
You know, there's a reason thatpersists and this is where it's
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not done as well, right, whenyou've got like, oh, chilling in
another world with my op skillsat level two like bro.
I hate the titles bro I get it.
You don't want to be the hero.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
They're always so so long.
Just shorten that up, dude.
It's always they're likegetting longer and that actually
is probably a fricking animeright now.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Ironically, getting longer.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah, it's like, it's like yeah, why are we adding a
full paragraph for titles?
Well, yeah, woke up, anotherworld stubbed my toe.
I'm level nine, but my reviveis level 15.
It's like, bro, what are we?
What are we talking about, dude?
Can we just have like rebornanother, like just cut that down
to like four words, man, that'sthe new thing, though it was
never like that before you.
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Growing up, I don't rememberanime with like super long
titles like no, I will notreally did two words no, I can't
.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
I can't think of any, I'm just saying I can't have
access to read the originaltitle, you know it's not like we
yeah, you're right about thatyou didn't have the same access
back then that's probably whatit is.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
That's probably dragon ball z's actual title I
think it is dragon ball z, but Ithink they're sure it's, not 85
words.
Uh, I know attack on titan hasa different title the search for
seven golden balls that makewishes bro, I'm dead but you
know what, though?
You're absolutely right,because it can be so just
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obnoxious and just lame, butthen it could be amazing.
But a lot of times you're like,just once, can we get someone
who's like, yeah, I'm thefreaking hero and I'm gonna own
it just be cocky about it.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
I, I can, I don't know, let me, let me think here.
Let me.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I'm sure somebody's done this for a second.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Someone has to have done this dude, because I'm
thinking maybe and this isrelatively and it's more like a
progression lit fantasy type ofthing so written.
Well, he who fights withmonsters, homie's not really
reluctant about it at all, likeI mean, maybe sometimes he's
reluctant, but for the most parthe's just like cool superpowers
, let's go kill shit I mean theuh arthur from uh slideshow oh
(21:11):
well, yeah, okay, no, you'reright, he's not reluctant at all
he's like no chance, let's,let's live actually no, I gotta
take that back.
When you get later on down theroad, when you come into the war
, when that, when you get to theactual he's like don't put me
in charge of this stuff uh, well, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
He already kind of played that role once, right the
king role.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
No, I well, he just wants to take his family and run
.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I actually that's the like.
That show is so interestingbecause I hate the anime style
of it Like God.
But I really like I'm going tojust keep watching it.
But I don't know what it is.
It's not super special but itdoes blend a lot of cool stuff
in different ways.
I do like that, I mean you'realready reading.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Just read the book, not even the webtoon, and that's
good Stunning art, but justread the books, yeah yeah, I may
have to.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I like the character a lot.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
He's, he's cool he's gonna be happy, he's a lot.
So this next one and this onepisses me off a lot.
This one, it it does usuallywork, but all it, this probably
pisses me off more than anyother thing in fantasy that I
can think of.
Um, the found family, andhere's the reason why this, all
the time they it's a lazy, it'sa lazy get around, it's a lazy
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work around for character can be.
Because you know, there are somany stories out there where
anime, light novel, whateverhigh fantasy, there are so many
stories out there where it'sjust like we're family now and
then nobody really grows,there's no introspection, nobody
grows.
Like like here, like I'll paintyou two different pictures,
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right, and I don't know if youread lord of the rings or not,
but um, you know, you gotlegolas and gimli, the.
You know like opposites, right,you got an elf in the drawer.
They spend, they spend the.
You know, like opposites, right, you get an elf and a dwarf,
they spend, they spend theentire series.
You know, first from insultingto realizing they have.
You know, there's a grudgingrespect to to like actively
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looking out for each other, butnot like vocalizing it.
To finally like hey, we'refriendly rivals and now we're
going gonna travel the worldtogether.
We're gonna go everywheretogether.
Now that the story is over, nowwe got a separate picture and I
love sanderson, but you getmiss born.
He introduces the entire crew.
They're, you're kind ofintroduced as found family.
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We're all in this together, butthen really they're kind of
just there to support kelsear'sinsanity.
Like you know, they're there asa running commentary on
whatever insane thing kelsearhas chosen to do, and they, they
keep saying that too.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
They're like we really, you know we should
really rein him in.
You know they kind of like theykeep bringing it up but nobody
ever really does it.
And you know, what'sinteresting about that is that
while when the few of them doget killed as you go along and
you're just like I don't carebecause you have no like, you
don't have any kind of bond withit, with with a lot of them.
(24:06):
But some of the side characters.
And then in the last book, whenit goes to the kid who's um
starts wearing the tin eye kid Ican't think of his name right
now I, I'm not gonna rememberthat, right yeah yeah it focuses
on.
He's like a main character ofthe third book and I'm like I
mean, I remember him, but likehe was never important at all,
literally.
And then he's like he'sliterally a huge part of the
(24:28):
last book no-transcript don'tcare and I agree with you, it
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didn't never felt like, eventhen when he dies, like yeah,
vin's still around witheverybody, but like they don't.
I didn't feel like they lovedher, I guess, but they didn't
love her like a little sister.
It kind of was just like youwere Kelsey's protege, so like
and you're the strongest onearound, so we need you and we're
going to be cool and they alllike each other.
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I never felt the family vibedude, only her.
I felt that vibe.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
This is where you insert the Vin Diesel family
meme.
I felt that vibe.
This is where you insert theVin Diesel family meme Family,
because that's the vibe I getfrom most of them.
I will paint you anotherpicture of a story, a series.
You should also read Blood Songby Anthony Ryan.
So this kid gets ganked awayfrom.
Well, okay, rephrase this kidin some medieval world.
(25:37):
His dad drops him off at thisrando castle at the very
beginning of the story and onceyou get to the prologue right,
I'm talking like once you get tohis dad drops him off this
rando castle and he's supposedto become like a brother of the
Sixth Order, which is basicallysome like version of monk versus
like a monk slash like greatestwarriors ever trained.
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Because that's what happens.
They throw these boys togetherin this group, like it's like a
mix of spartan training.
I was gonna say it sounds likeyeah, yeah it's like a mix of
spartan training and some otherthings, like they teach them to
thief.
You know they teach them to bethieves, but also you get your
ass beat if you get caught.
Um, you know they teach them tofight.
They teach them to kill and,more important, you know, most
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importantly, they teach them towatch each other's backs.
That is a found family, becauseby late in the book or
Bloodsong, the first book of theseries, you know they really
feel their brother's actionswhen something is not done right
or they go against code.
You know that's really felt andyou know you feel that in the
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bonds.
You feel that in the book, inthe way it's written and it's
just, it's done very well, butfor the most part the found
family stuff yeah, you reallygotta, you gotta do it right
like the again the devils, it'slike a month.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
They're all monsters, they're all selfish, literal
monsters, a lot of them.
But you get this like villainslash, suicide squad thing where
they actually kind of do likeeach other.
It's kind of what you weresaying with, like Legolas, like
they do respect each other asthe story goes on, because
they're only alive because ofeach other by the end of the
book.
So it is, you're right, youhave to really do it, and no one
(27:16):
ever calls each other family inthat book.
But yeah, absolutely I'm withyou on that.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
All right, homie.
What do we family?
What do we have?
What do we got for Realm Rumorsthis week?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
So we got some cool ones.
One of the more interestingones and fun ones is Jujutsu
Kaisen is ranked number two onthe New York Times June
bestseller list in the graphicnovels and comic and manga
category.
It's pretty, it's pretty dope.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
So I know, I know about the new york time
bestseller list, but uh,historically what are there?
Is this like the first manga tohit um?
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I don't think it's on .
I think they have a separatelist for comics.
Actually, I don't think it's aspart of, like, the novel stuff.
I'm sure they, I'm sure they do, I'm sure everyone has done it,
but this one is um,specifically, uh, graphic novels
and stuff.
That's number two.
Number five is chainsaw man, soone of the volumes, um, and the
number 15 is another volume ofjust two kaizen.
(28:21):
So, like everyone knows, it'svery popular in america for sure
, for sure I sure thought thiswas gonna mention solo.
I thought that's where we're no,it's not, at least not in june.
But you know they do have thebooks I mean and the.
They even have the webtoonbooks too, they've I mean the
books are solid.
Dude the books are solid I Ienjoyed them yeah, they're good,
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and our other one is, uh, dandan season two.
That's just not out yet.
They had an anime theatricalscreening and it earned five
milli.
I mean that's pretty cool, man.
It's not a bad amount of moneyfor just an episode or two of
the anime.
So I mean it's not out yet,obviously no yeah, that's not a
bad deal.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Um well, in anime always does limited theatrical
release too.
This wasn't like it openedeverywhere yeah, it was very
limited.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Um, and it's funny because I I think it's good that
they can do stuff like this oranimated movies and make some
money.
I think that's cool.
But where it's not cool iswhere, like demon slayer, the
last part of it is gonna bemovies.
So you're either gonna have togo see it or wait for it to come
out, or whatever I don't know.
Um, I don't particularly likethe idea that a series that's
(29:31):
come, that's out, is then gonnado movies at the end to try to
milk out money.
I don't know if I don't reallylike that that much.
I like that, my hero.
They do their own stories forthe movie and they are actually
canon to the story, um, and arementioned later with other
characters in the actual series.
You'll see that, um, but I'mnot a big fan of demon slayer.
Like hey, the climax of thewhole story.
(29:52):
We're only doing movies, so goto the movie theater to see it
or you can wait a year.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
It's kind of lame yeah, is the the dandy dan one?
Is that canon or is that justyeah?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
it's.
I think it's literally like thefirst couple episodes of season
two that's gonna come out.
They just released it early inthe movie theater and people
wanted to see it.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah, I mean, that's the thing is whatever they made
money dude, well, the demonslayer did this before with the
uh, mugen train thing.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Oh so demon slayer started it.
Well, they did the demon, themugen train thing and then it
made money and then theyreleased it as an ep, as
episodes.
So, like you know, that's fine.
But you know, to just say, hey,we're actually not gonna make
the last season, we're justgonna do like movies, it's kind
of crazy where was I mean so forlike the longest time.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
It's like for me, you think, anime movie, not canon,
and that's always been mythought, you know, because like
the naruto stuff was any of thatcanon besides like only the
last right, I think the last oneand I think the one with the
moon one was.
I'm not 100, though, on thatbut you know, and then you got
stuff like one piece who putsout?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
they put out movies like it's going out of style and
they're not canon right rightas far as I know here's what's
weird like the dragon ball,super movies are the broly one
and then the uh max super max,cell, whatever.
Those are canon.
Um, the my hero movies aretechnically canon because they
do get referenced in the show,although they're side stories,
so you don't really it's notgonna affect you if you don't
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watch it, but if you do, you'llnotice characters, which is kind
of cool like canada jason yeah,it's weird.
Um, chainsaw man has a moviecoming out that looks awesome.
It is is canon, because I readthe manga and this is literally
a storyline and they're doing itas a movie.
So I guess it's just to raisemoney and make money, which is
fine.
But it is kind of weird too,because we're in this weird zone
(31:38):
where they can come out weeklyfor three months or whatever and
then they do a movie and thenthey do this.
So anime is just different.
Now.
I mean, people go to the movietheater.
I've been.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
I watched the dragon ball super movie with brawley in
the movie theater was fuckingawesome actually I don't think
I've, I don't think I've everseen an anime, anything on the
big screen dude I need toresolve that like yeah.
So I kicked myself when Imissed locally, you know for us
um, oh god, blanked them I don'tknow which one.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I don't know was it recent?
Speaker 1 (32:08):
hell man.
A couple years ago it was umpsychopaths.
They released a movie and theyactually had it.
It was limited release, but weactually had it local.
Oh, that would have been coolto see that, and I kicked myself
because I missed it by likefive days by the time I saw the
by the time I saw the article oncountry roll, I was like yo.
The last day was yesterday.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Oh, I'll be so mad.
Well, we're going to have to gosee something.
Maybe we'll do the Demon Slayerones.
Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Well, yeah, I don't know anything, and like I would
just like to see a good anime onthe big screen, that's pretty
cool.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
It's actually pretty and you always have good fans
when you're there.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
You don't have stupid , stupid people there.
Everyone's always like veryrespectful and like excited to
be there.
I absolutely thought you werecoming at me tonight with solo
leveling news.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
We're all waiting on whatever.
If they're, I guess it's over.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
I don't know I saw a couple of things and I'm like I
think we're probably going totalk about this well, did they
announce another season, uh?
No, I don't care.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
No, yeah, exactly right if they didn't say season
three yet, which I think they'relooking to wait like two years,
I don't know, apparently, or ifyou're not giving me another
Dragon Ball Super season yetit's only been nine years.
Like, what are we doing?
What are we getting morecontent?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
You ready for this hot take dude?
Yeah, let's do it All right.
Would you rather be stuck in adungeon with Golem or have to
babysit joffrey for a week?
Oh my god without killing him,without killing joffrey do I
have the ring?
Or no, the one ring.
This is open to interpretation.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
If I have the one ring let's call it bilbo style.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
He, the ring is there and you don't have it yet.
Oh my god.
Or babysit joffrey for a weekwithout killing him, gollum I
can't.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Joffrey is such a shitbag every day of the week.
Dude.
All right, that kid is, and Ithink he quit acting.
I heard he just was.
He was like I'm out because hegot so that's not really fair
yelling at him at on thefreaking street, but that's
great actor.
He's a great actor.
Maybe he's like I made enoughmoney, I don't care, but he was
just so first off.
(34:09):
Joffrey would just have youkilled for no reason.
Donald will really probablymess with you unless you're
trying to take the ring.
He'll probably just be annoying.
You'll just keep hearing him,my precious, and you're like bro
, stay five feet away like we'regood.
But joffrey would be like hetried to kill you for no reason.
He would literally just be likeI'm you because I'm bored.
That means he's just an asshole.
Like that, you agree, I'massuming.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
No, I absolutely agree.
But here's what I was thinking.
I was thinking it would be morefun to play riddle games with
Gollum, Even with your life onthe line.
It would be more fun to playriddle games with.
Gollum, than it would be totolerate 10 seconds of Joffrey's
presence.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Dude ob to tolerate 10 seconds of joffrey's presence
?
Dude obnoxious, he mightliterally be the worst character
ever, like just the mostpunchable.
His death was so great honestly, it was satisfying it was.
I was like thank god, becausethis dude has just been annoying
since the second he showed upin the show.
You'd be like somebody beat hisdude and the actor played it so
well.
Dude, he was amazing at it.
(35:11):
The other guy that was probablyreally bad too.
The dude that oh my God, he wasa bastard.
He tried to take the North.
I can't remember his name.
He was pretty terrible, but hewas an adult.
You know who I'm talking about.
He was feeding people to thedogs.
That guy you know I'm talkingabout.
He was feeding people to thedogs.
Oh, that guy horrible dude.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Oh my god, it's gonna kill you.
I know later, like an hour, I'mgonna remember 10 seconds after
we're done recording I willstart recording again, just to
scream the name but him.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
As terrible as that guy is, especially with sansa,
joffrey is worse.
I'm sorry, he's just so fuckingI can't do it.
Dude, I know you want.
You're gonna're going to saythat name.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Oh yeah, dude, I have to, I just because it's eating
me alive right now.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, he'd feed.
I remember he fed the people tothe dogs.
Ramsey, snow, jesus, ramsey,he's awful, but Joffrey is just
like I want to drown you likeyou're horrible.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I cannot stay that guy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, allright.
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Good night guys.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I'm going to go ahead and do that.
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