March 6, 2025 • 39 mins
Step into the dynamic world of storytelling as we tackle the epic debate that every book lover and manga fanatic has faced: novels vs. manga. This episode dives deep into the strengths and weaknesses of these two beloved mediums, exploring how they each captivate audiences in unique ways. Discover the power of prose as we discuss how novels provide intricate character development and vivid world-building. Alternatively, get swept away by the immediacy and visual excitement that manga brings through stunning illustrations and serialized storytelling.
We don't stop there—join us as we engage with some pressing issues surrounding working conditions within the anime industry. Hear about the challenges faced by creators and how the demand for content can impact worker well-being. Our conversation also touches on exciting upcoming series and creators you won't want to miss, adding to the richness of the anime and manga landscape.
With engaging tales, thought-provoking discussions, and invites for listener participation, this episode is a treasure trove for anyone passionate about the realms of fantasy and storytelling. Don’t forget to subscribe, share your favorite moments, and let us know—are you with Team Novel or Team Manga? Join in on the adventure, and keep exploring the stories you love!
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Intro: Visions – Adv3n7ur35, Ian Locke
Outro: Nakusita Kakera – Ian Post
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📰 Realm Rumors:
https://screenrant.com/anime-industry-work-conditions-japan-federal-investigation/
https://screenrant.com/shonen-jump-new-manga-dr-stone-creator-wild-west/
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to Realm Jumpers.
I'm Andrew and this is myco-host, jordan.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hey everyone.
We're here to dive into theworlds of fantasy and anime,
bringing you epic stories andunforgettable adventures.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
We'll be talking world building, unforgettable
villains and everything thatmakes these genres legendary.
So let's jump into the realm.
Welcome to episode five.
Whoa, hold up five.
Yeah, man, episode five, whichI guess is technically episode
six, because you know, we didthe nerdy thing and had a uh,
(00:39):
episode zero, oh, episode zeroyeah the backstory.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
So zero, oh, episode zero, yeah the backstory.
So we gotta kind of decide, andI think it sounds cool we
should call our listenersjumpers jump.
I like it all right.
So jumpers, check this out.
Five episodes, well, sixepisodes.
We gotta do a round of applausebecause my man started writing,
writing his novel.
Knock it off, come on, youstarted it at least, right, I
(01:08):
mean yeah I wrote some words.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
There were some words written there were some words.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I may have looked at the words and the words made
sense.
So you're doing good, you'redoing good so far.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I mean, the alphabet makes sense, so that's not a
kind of.
It's not a hard bar to meet.
Cat in the hat makes sense.
I can rhyme words.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Well, I mean, hey, I was liking where you were, what
you're putting down on that, sogood job so far.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
No in.
In all truth, I uh, I reallyliked it as well.
I had written um, I think Isaid this, but I wrote a good
chunk of that prologuepreviously, probably four months
ago, and then I just kind ofwalked away from it for a bit,
got busy you know life, dealingwith other stuff, and then you
(01:53):
know you've been bugging me.
So I was like, let me just sitdown and look at this thing.
So I opened it up and I'm like,well, let me change this word,
let me change a few things here.
I don't like the way thatsounds.
Fix that.
Ooh, I love that.
What was I doing?
That's cool.
Like where was I going?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
So then I was like, oh, no,yeah, I do like this.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
So, look, I mean this wasn't planned, but this
episode is literally titledNovel vs Manga.
So, like you, it kind of kindof fits man.
Like, honestly, in a weird way,it's super weird that you
started doing it.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Finally, yeah, no, I mean, I guess it does like it
does fit um, so we're gonna hashit out.
You know what's better novel oruh, or manga oh yeah, we're not
going series we're not goingseries specific.
This is is just going to be anultimate showdown.
An ultimate showdown.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I'm going to win you probably will, but I'm going to
take the weird I mean as the sofar only author with books out.
You'd think I would have chosenthe novel, but I'm going to go
for the manga.
So it's going to be weirdbecause I probably should do the
other one.
But yeah, I'm just, I'm a mangamaniac, all right, but before
we jump into that, let's do ourrealm rumors.
We got some pretty interestingones here today.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, what do you got for me this week?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, man.
So the first one's pretty heavy.
I don't know how much youfollow it.
I'm sure you've seen a indifferent reports and social
media.
But the anime industry in Japanitself is like, obviously super
hard.
They work their asses off andthere's been a lot of talk about
what kind of conditions istheir actual working environment
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for a lot of these big namestudios.
Mappa is a really big one wherethey kind of got into some
controversy.
You know people not reallygoing home working crazy hours
as much as I love MAPPA andeverything you know people not
really going home working crazyhours um, as much as I love
mappa and everything you knowtheir animation is great and all
the action's solid, but likethey take on a lot of projects.
So you know you got people likenot able to go home.
(03:56):
You know, to meet deadlinesit's getting a little sketchy.
So there's been so much talk ofthis and and I don't know if
this is more the west being morevocal, which is probably what
it is, because we always believepeople should be able to still
have a life and also work.
Japan likes to just work, work,work.
Now in Japan the actual federalinvestigation is happening into
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what are these workingconditions, like their ftc, and
stuff is like is there unfairpractices happening?
You know like it's gettingpretty serious over there
because I think, you know,honestly, maybe the west is to
blame because the demand is somuch more now because we, you
know, consume any like, likemaniacs as well.
(04:42):
But uh, yeah, there's a,there's a lot of talk and
hopefully they'll be able to Idon't know maybe rein in some of
this stuff.
You know, gaming deadlines aresimilar, right, there's a lot of
that talk in gaming, in thegame world.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So first, I have two points.
Um, so you're telling me thatbasically, death march to the
parallel world rhapsody is thisis real life, death march to the
parallel world rhapsody?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
a hundred percent.
And also zombie 100.
Okay, zombie 100 becauseremember he was a.
He was a working in a studioand almost died.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah so, uh, further to point one there, I do think
it's a cultural thing.
Um, because it's mentioned inseveral light novels as a
cultural thing and not astandard set forth by the job
market.
The employer doesn't say, no,you've got to stay here.
(05:37):
I think it's 100% a culturalthing, at least that's from my
understanding of some of thelight novels I've read.
I think it's worse, buddy.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I think it's gotten worse.
I think it was originally thatand that's fine.
But I think the demand, likewhat we were saying in the other
episode, how so many anime arecoming out every year it's just
so many of them that the amountof workload that it takes is
probably close to I don't wantto say impossible, but maybe
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close with the timelines thatthey're releasing them in, you
know type stuff.
I think that's a big part, Iwill say, and it's kind of funny
because as much as I loveJujutsu Kaisen, the last season
was great, but there's a bigbattle scene in it when Sukuna
was fighting and stuff.
The one that aired wasdifferent than the one in the
blu-ray.
It's like they rushed it to getit out and it was great and
(06:31):
amazing animation, but theblu-ray one, because they like
went ahead and finished, it waslike way better.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
So I guess there is a little bit of that rush to
deadline stuff going on so thepoint too that I was going to
bring up was um, I think to toyour point.
What you said is just kind ofthe way the world is now.
Is it the West's fault?
You know partially, but alsonot partially.
You know, the the rise of COVIDand making a One hundred
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percent remote workforce.
I don't know how far across theworld that went, you know, I
don't know how far that spreadinto that went.
You know, I don't know how farthat spread into Asia.
But that certainly, you know,would bring to light a lot of
situations where employees aredoing things they shouldn't, you
know, do for their own, fortheir own mental health and
wellbeing.
And I'm sure you know, becausein any society there's always
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going to be people that takeadvantage of other people.
So I'm absolutely sure you'reright that there are some
studios that took advantage ofsome of their workers.
You know, get it done mentality, that's human nature, dude, oh
yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I mean I wonder, like legal wise, what you know labor
laws they have.
But obviously it must be man,man, it must be a big deal
because they're investigating it.
So I guess there was somecredible whatever's going on.
So it's it'll be.
Of course we want anime all thetime, you know it's fine and we
want it as much as possible.
But if people are overworkingthemselves to the point of like
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exhaustion, I mean you knowmangakas, man, they get sick all
the time from overworking, theygotta take breaks like
constantly.
So that work ethic thing, maybeit is probably part of the
culture.
But you know you gotta behealthy too, you don't want to
disappear.
All right, a little bit lighternote on the some cool little
realm rumors here.
So have, I don't know if wetalked about before, but do you
(08:21):
watch dr stone at all?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
um, I'm going to get into it.
It's on my list, uh okay, butas I as I was telling you uh, I
restarted black coat, blackclover, because you said I need
to finish it, so I restartedblack clover.
Um, so, dr stone will.
It's on the list after that.
Okay, cool cool.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
So it's airing the final season right now.
Anime-wise, the manga's over.
But what's cool about this?
I remember here is the creatorBoichi.
They're making another seriesbecause Dr Stone ended, I think,
a couple years ago.
So their new series is going tobe a Western-themed, like, I
guess, guess cowboy western typething called marshall king.
(09:06):
There's not much info about it,but the art style is so unique
in dr stone and the storytelling, uh, you know, everyone's
pretty excited to see where thisis going to go.
They did release the little, youknow couple sentence synopsis
real quick, I'll read it.
I mean, why not?
So the storyline is a manclaiming to be the son of a
notorious villain, one whocommitted countless atrocities,
(09:29):
has appeared.
He says he killed his fatherand crossed the desert with his
corpse.
A new era western story,serialized every other friday.
So it could be kind of cool.
Man, it sounds very interesting.
Um, cool thing about thiscreator is they're actually
south korean and they made thejump to, uh, you know, japanese
manga.
(09:49):
Their original series sun canrock.
It's like a fighting typeseries, like gang fighting type
stuff, which is really the art'sinsane.
I used to read it back in theday.
And then they, they did drstone, which was a hit.
The anime is, you know, verypopular and then now they're
going to come out with MarshallKing, so we'll see.
Hopefully it'll be just as good.
I don't know.
(10:09):
It's like a Western, so youdon't see many of those Trigon's
, the only one I can think ofwhen I think of anime Westerns.
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
All right, so shall we jump into the great debate of
the century.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yes, of the great debate of the century.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yes, let's, uh, let's go, man, you're gonna have to
go first, though, on this one no, I think this is just gonna be.
Uh, I mean, we're not doingthis debate style, you know.
You, we're just gonna chat.
All right, that wasn't in thenotes.
We're just gonna argue, we'rejust gonna argue.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, we're just gonna argue.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
But I will start first.
If that's what you would prefer, let's do it all right, so
first.
So first, novel versus mangawhich one are we going to pick?
Obviously, I think everybodyknows I will be arguing the
point, for novels are better.
You know, pro novel here.
It's always going to providedeeper world building, better
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internal monologues and betterdescriptions of everything
that's happening, not just theaction scenes.
It's going to describeeverything that's happening, not
just the action scenes.
It's going to describeeverything that's happening Like
the outside character stuff,every little world building
detail, every single thoughtWell, obviously not every single
thought that the character ishaving.
But that's where you get yourinternal monologues from, and
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manga can't do that.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
So here's the thing, agreed, although they can do a
little bit of thinking panels.
So that is a thing that you cando, but the thing for me that
beats out and I love novels,don't get me wrong, of course,
nothing can ever beat thedescription nature of it, but
there's a version of manga thatthere's a hype level.
So what I'm using as an exampleis the last one that had the
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biggest hype was Jujutsu Kaisen.
So, as it's coming out everyweek and you're getting these
dynamic action battles andwhat's going to happen next,
their community around talkingabout each chapter, what's going
to happen next?
What does this character do?
There was this community aspectbuilt around it.
That novels will never havethat week to week thing because
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they come out in full, which isfine.
That's the, that's the medium.
But there's something reallyfun and interesting and I
honestly, even though socialmedia has been out for a long
time you know TikTok, Instagramreels there's whole communities
where they're literally justbreaking down the chapters in
depth.
People are commenting stuff,there's discussions going on and
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there's something about being apart of that journey.
It's like you're on it with thecreator, with this whole fan
base, week to week to week toweek and I think that that just
it's special man.
It's something crazy about itthat makes you really tied into
the story.
It's special man, it'ssomething crazy about it that
makes you really tied into thestory.
(12:50):
And it's one of my favoritethings literally about reading
these every week is keeping itup to them every week.
Is you get drawn into thiswhole discussion around?
Is this what the charactermeant?
Is it you know, whatever,whatever's going on and that
hype, man, it builds.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I mean, I definitely see that.
But what about?
Isn't Japan based on for lightnovels?
Doesn't Japan have a bunch ofpublishing sites where authors
start publishing their weeklychapters of the novel weekly?
So it's a similar thing youread weekly.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Have you done that?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
before, obviously not for Japanese, but what I?
Do for some american what I dofor some american writers that I
follow um, I subscribe to theirpatreons and I get a chapter a
day for some of these writersthat I can go that's pretty cool
their newest chapter everymorning and then jump in the
comments and hang out witheverybody and type type it up.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, that's dope.
I think that's a cool way to do.
You know chapters and stuff.
I don't know if I would do itthat way as a writer I
definitely wouldn't, yeah, but Imean, some people do, it's cool
, but I don't know, I don't seethe videos being broken down.
Oh, this chapter, but thenagain, it's right, but the art,
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you know.
So another part is the art.
When you have some stunning artI'm going to use one of your
favorite series here, berserkyou look at some of these art
panels and you're like this is amasterpiece, this is literally.
And then you even get lost inthe little details because
you're you want to like absorbthis art masterpiece thing going
on.
And not every manga has art,that's not like that, but the
ones when they do hit it thatway, it does evoke more emotion
(14:32):
and more stuff than just readingthe reading, the dialogue or
read or reading a page of a book.
I mean, I don't know man it, itdraws you into that I have to
disagree with you.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I I don't like I don't know.
I am always going to be moremoved by an internal dialogue in
a situation that you justdescribed.
I'm always going to be moremoved by the internal dialogue
in the novel than I am in thecouple of frames that you're
going to get with thatillustrated and the limited text
.
I'm always going to be moremoved by the light novel like I
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don't know you know that I I seeyour point, and 100 I think a
story like fairy tale, um, thatcan only be told through manga
and anime, oh yeah I don't seeit would be a terrible.
It'd be a terrible book, I.
I do feel like that would be aterrible novel of any form, you
know, but that's not.
(15:28):
Most stories, most of the animewe watch, could be told in a
light novel, and most of themare.
It's just that they're notavailable for English readers.
A lot of them.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Which is crazy, because you would think that
would be a priority to get thosetranslate.
Maybe it's just that there'snot as much of an audience built
, a built-in audience,novel-wise, for light novel
slash anime type stories asthere is like regular.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
So, from what I understand, it just takes the
time to get the correct Englishtranslation, because it's not a
matter of just translating itdirectly into English.
Because if that was the caseand I've seen some of these fan
translations that go to theJapanese websites and they copy,
you know, the the updated storyinformation and then translate
it and post it and I'm like thisis terrible, but you can't
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understand half of it.
Yeah, no you can't.
And it's garbled mess.
You might read a character namehere and there and then you
know there's gonna be some ewstuff and it's like I I don't
know what happened.
Here.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
You're like I'm out, I don't know what's going on
right, yeah, he said some stuff,and then somebody got punched
and you're like, okay, I don'tknow, man, I think just the art
aspect to me, so I will give.
I actually have a question foryou because I haven't really
read light novels but I've readrather ones.
But so if it's a light novel,that's probably an anime or
going to be or whatever in thecover.
(16:50):
Does it always have the maincharacters on the covers or is
it sometimes random characters,like when you see it in your
mind and then they do animate it?
Is there a time you're like, oh, that's not what I thought it
looked?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
like.
So it depends on the light novelsolo has solo leveling has zero
um, has zero animation at all,like there are no drawings.
Sorry for everybody that'slistening.
I've got a frog in my throatbecause you know it's winter
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time.
One second he's been fightingit.
So solo leveling has got noimages, no drawings, no
renderings, nothing, not in anyof the pages, not on the front
cover, not on the back cover.
It's nowhere to be found.
Um, but then you're gonna havenovels like um jobless
reincarnation, joblessreincarnation.
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Typically, you know, obviously,the first book is always going
to be the main character andthen you know, if the character
is going to meet somebody new inthe next novel, they'll
probably be on them, on the, onthe cover, with the main
character, or some novels, youknow, just do, whatever new
flavor of female is introducedin the next novel, she will be
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on the main.
You know the main cover.
And then, once you, once youopen up the cover, there's going
to be three to five images oflike scenes throughout the
scenes, throughout the, thenovel, and they're going to be
illustrated manga style, butonly three to five of them so
like solo 11 is a great, greatpoint and there's no art.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
So when you first saw um jinwoo or whatever, what
were you?
Like, oh, that makes sense.
Like, oh, I didn't think helooked that way in my mind.
Was there, uh, was there thattype of situation and with you?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
when you looked, I am so glad you brought this point
up, because it's one of thethings that I wanted to argue
for a point for novels.
Okay, so have you, and I'llanswer your question in a second
.
But I got to round about it.
I kind of asked this questionOkay, have you ever read
anything and I know you don'tread a ton but have you ever
read anything and you imagined acharacter or a scene or a
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setting to be a certain way inyour mind?
And then you see it on film oryou see it on television and
you're like that's not what itfucking looks like.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Oh yeah, and it breaks.
It breaks your experience.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
So that, right there, 100.
That's why a novel is alwaysgoing to be better, because it
leaves some things open to yourbrain's interpretation.
Right, there is no one perfectway.
Um, that jimu looks and I knowthat would be blasphemous to
everybody that read the themanhwa but the fact is the way
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writers write.
There is no 100 specific waythat everything gets described.
There are always going to bethings that are left up to the
reader's imagination, becausethe reader's imagination does a
better job of telling the storywith some limited data.
You give it some data and thenyou let your brain tell the
story and that's why you haveall of these different fan
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groups all over the internet forsome of these stories.
Like, I don't know, pick a book, just pick any book, you know,
and you're going to have fantheories all over the place that
say, no, it's supposed to bethis like Game of Thrones.
Right the ending, how is itsupposed to end?
You know there's 25 differenttheories out there and they
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could all be right, they couldall be wrong, they could all
have one point right, one pointwrong, you don't know, because
there are so many things left upto the interpretation.
That's the author's greatestgift is saying I'm going to
write some beautiful words, it'sall going to look good, I'm
going to give you somedescriptions and then I'm going
to trick you into.
I'm going to trick you intofiguring out your own story that
you have just told yourself,and I'm still going to charge
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you for it.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Oh, absolutely, no, absolutely.
And you know that part.
You know that you're the writerright Like you have to.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
You have to visualize that.
You know that that's the,that's what sells you, that's
what sells your book.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Well, yeah, like for me, when I'm writing a character
, I might have a version in myown mind of what I think it
looks like and I try to explainthat in the book and then.
But anyone who reads that'sgoing to have their own version.
So that's so.
Here's the thing.
And to kind of turn that aroundon you a little bit, that
disappointment that you'retalking about, which we've all
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felt, because everyone has readsomething somewhere at some
point in time, whether it's anovel, and you watch something
you're like oh, I don't, thatdidn't look right to me and it
just puts you in a.
You're like, okay, whatever.
But you're also like, I don'treally like that.
You know, depending on how it'scasted, if it's a show or a
movie, you will never have thatwith manga turning into anime or
anything else, because it'sdrawn, we know what it looks
like.
Now, if the art sucks becausethey you know it's paid some
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PowerPoint anime studio to do itLike, apparently I guess the
last blue lock season, there'sthis, this kind of movement all
the time.
I didn't watch blue lock, but Isaw the clip.
I've seen that kind of stuff.
Obviously people get mad, butthe character looks the way that
it looks in the manga becauseit was already drawn.
And now.
Now I will say there has beentimes where and and I personally
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being a monwa fan, I don'tunderstand.
It seems like when they colormanga covers, they do this weird
like color pencil, pastelcolors, all the time.
They don't color it like ananime.
I don't know if you evernoticed that a lot of times and
you're like, why do they colorit like that?
There's been a lot wherethey've done color here and I'm
like that's not what I thoughtit was.
You know the reason, right?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
no, I have no idea I don't know, because color theory
looks different on paper thanit does on screen.
Yeah, but so the art style hasto change.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I mean I get the art style, but even just the color
itself, like I've seen certaincharacters with purple hair and
then it ends up coming out andthey got red hair, like
completely different.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Okay, so that just comes down to an artist not
paying attention to the IP, youknow the intellectual property
You're not paying attention tothe source.
You know the intellectualyou're not.
You're not paying, you're notpaying attention to the source.
Ip, um, I think for that.
But also they might draw ascene and put the original hair
color in there and go that lookslike crap, that's washed out
this this character looks washedout this entire series.
We got to do something, and oneof the easy ways to do that is
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to change hair colors.
I also heard something elsethat, um, this, this was just
random, you know chats like inreddit, I think, and they were
like, well, the reason,everybody's hair color is
different, so you can tell themapart, and I'm like I mean, you
can tell people apart.
I don't think that's reallynecessary, but hey, maybe that
is a thing I don't know, itcould be.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
It could be and I'll say now the only thing I will
say about the manga to animestuff when you're adapting scene
, when they're adapting scene,if it's not adapted in the way
that it's presented in the manga, because they don't have the
budget, maybe a lot of times,then you get that whole similar
what you're saying, like oh man,they messed this up.
(23:49):
You know that kind of stuff,similar to what you're saying
like oh man, they messed this up.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
You know that kind of stuff.
So let me ask you then how?
How do you think I know, I knowwe've talked about it, we did a
full episode on it um, sololeveling.
You think solo leveling isdoing 100, pretty, pretty close
to authentic for what the forthe manhwa was?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
yeah, because there's scenes that are literally I
mean, you can look them up andseeing them a lot lately where
it's side by side panel versusanime screen capture and it's,
if not the exact same, it isvery close.
Now, of course, the manga isgoing to have sometimes cooler.
You know you can put moredetail, things like that, but
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you know.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
The characters all look the same.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, man, they look really close like and even some
of the like the big.
When you read it you're like,oh shit, that was cool.
Yeah, they're doing that.
And they got the music dialedin.
Man, the music's hitting like.
They're doing a good job, Imean sure no doubt the show's
doing a great job.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I just bring that point up because so for solo
leveling, for having read thelight novels, they don't hit all
the character descriptions andthey don't do the things the way
that I feel like they shouldhave been done and that kind of
breaks the reality for it on mea few times in the show where
I'm like what, what, what'sgoing on here?
(25:10):
just because that characterdoesn't look the the way I
imagine them to be based off ofthe description of the novel and
it kind of breaks that.
It breaks that experience.
Yeah, you didn't read it.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay so it's different because,
yeah, you, you did have that.
So, yeah, I never I read it, Ijust read the monifer.
So the character design is readright right off the page.
So it's pretty close.
Um, I don't really know.
I should probably look this up,I guess, but I don't know what
the story the difference wasbetween.
(25:39):
I'm assuming someone, I guessthe author, made a deal with an
artist or what a studio I guess,to draw it from the book.
I'm assuming they still hadoversight authority right On,
like how it was drawn out.
I would assume.
Yeah, I know, I don't know.
I should look at it.
I'm sure they did, whoever itis.
(26:01):
But yeah, that's just my biggest.
You don't have as many let downmoments of that's not drawn
right, because it's literallydrawn from the scene itself,
which is great, I get that.
And then the other thing, likeI said, the hype there's.
There's this high and if youhaven't, and there's actually a
whole thing right now, becauseyou just guys and ended and
(26:22):
people can hate the ending,whatever, but there's nothing
right now coming out weekly thatis hitting the level of hype
that, uh, that justiu-jitsukaisen hit.
I don't know what was about.
I love that story andeverything.
Gojo is the man, but somethingabout that story just like
clicked with like a largeaudience and it's over and we're
(26:42):
all just like you know,chainsaw man's cool, but it's
just not the same.
There's nothing, really.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
So you read the manga .
You read the manga for oh yeah,yeah, I can't.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
The next season is gonna be at all dude.
When there's like some fightsthat happen that you're like on
the edge of your seat, dude,like week to week to week.
It felt like that.
So I don't know how.
I mean, the anime is gonna beamazing when it gets to that
part, but you know it's going tobe cool.
I mean, I, I was in that, I waslike I was watching, I'd read
(27:15):
dude.
I would read it on likethursday and then thursday night
or when I had a break at work,I'd go and look at a few tiktoks
of people who break down thechapter, who talk about and I
already read it like I was inman.
I was involved and makingcomments and the people
theorizing this and that.
So it was.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
That part was really fun for me, yeah all right, so I
know you have berserk backthere, but how do you, how do
you typically, how do youtypically consume manga?
Do you read it online?
Speaker 2 (27:45):
yeah, yeah.
I mean, if I had the money I'djust just buy them.
But who's got the money to buy?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
those things constantly.
That would be my last, final,biggest gripe about novels being
better.
They're more portable, you cantake them everywhere.
I read them on my phone and Idon't have to worry about being
able to like zoom in to look atimages, because I'm I can see
that I've got four or 500 bookson my phone and I have a few.
(28:15):
I have a few, um, manga, um,mostly fairytale, because that's
one of the mangas that I didread and I don don't I don't
read them on my phone and it'slike now I gotta go bust out my
tablet and then even thensometimes I'm like I would
rather just read this on abigger screen, whereas you know,
a novel.
It's like I just hold up myphone, put it in front of my
(28:37):
face and just start reading.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, there was a few times you're like zooming in
because you're like you reallywant I mean like you can read it
but like you want to really,then you get lost in frame too.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
It's like when you zoom?
In and try to zoom back out.
You're lost in the frame.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
You're like I don't know where I was at um, oh yeah,
I'm lost shit no, ideally likereading it on like a laptop or
something would be the best, butI'd be dude.
There be times I wake up andI'm just like, let me just see
if it's out and I would check.
And this is how hyped, like in,I was the official short and
jump stuff comes out sunday okay, like translated, but thursday
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is the unofficial fan ones andthey're always pretty good.
So I'd fucking read on thursday.
I'm reading thursday, I'll readagain on sunday, like I was all
in on it and there's somethingabout the hype man, it was like
it was really fun.
It's sad because there's nothingreally there right now.
I mean, there's a really coolseries that it's great.
It's a, it's like a swordseries.
(29:32):
It's really.
It's really good.
But I don't know if and it isgetting an anime.
I think it's kakabuchi, I don'tknow the name, I'm gonna fuck
it up, I don't know how to sayit, but uh, there's gonna be
anime, so it'll probably getreally popular.
You're going to love it when itcomes out because it's really
good.
But there's not the hype builtinto the weekly releases, you
know right now.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Well, that was really my last big major point and
obviously, you know, foreverybody that's listening, I'm
sure you guys can tell we'rehaving a lot of fun with this
discussion and it really is.
Just, it's not even a mildargument, because we both see
the value of you know each, each, each type of art.
You know, jordan writes, bothfor God's sake, and and I do
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read some manga.
It's just, you know, I'm alwaysgoing to argue for the novel
point.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Well, you'll never for the novel point.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Well, you'll never, you'll never lose that argument
because of the whole ability toimagine.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, imagination is king man and and we've talked
about soul leveling like he'sthinking about all this stuff
during a scene and that's noteven shown at all.
So you're missing all thecontext that he's going through
in his mind.
You know they don't really showyou that.
So it's definitely worth it to.
Uh, no, reading.
Reading novels are awesome.
I just I'm a suck.
I mean y'all can't see it.
(30:52):
Maybe we'll do a tour one dayof the uh, the studio here, but
I haven't literally have a wallacross from me of all manga
panels.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I'm staring at it right now, arguing with you
about artwork.
Well, it's pretty dope y'all.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I'm staring at it right now, arguing with you
about artwork it's dope I likeyeah, I like it.
It's fun, dude, it's myfavorite spot.
I'm glad we're recording ithere now.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
It's awesome well, I yeah, I am also glad you're
recording in there.
Um, I think all of our you knowfuture listeners because you
know we're posting this from thefuture.
I think all of our listenersshould chime in on.
You know their argument.
What's their favorite art formthere is it?
Are you the uh, are you thenovel person or are you manga?
(31:33):
All the way, I think everyoneshould let us know yeah, these
jumpers really gotta get inthere it's yeah commenting get a
flame.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
We're going in the comments.
We don't care, get good, that'sthat that's fine, just keep it.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Figure it out.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Keep it nice, Whatever.
All right, bro.
So you kind of we got to do ahot take.
Man, we have to do a hot take.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
It started out as a joke and now it's like a thing.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Like it's a and I'm gonna give you all the props to
mine, because I couldn'tremember the name and you're
over here's like encyclopediaman, he figured it out, so mine
is the kingdom of ruin animehold on, we didn't ask the
question, oh shoot, so the hotworst what is the?
Speaker 1 (32:17):
worst anime you've ever seen worse.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yes, kingdom of ruin anime, and you've watched the
first episode, so you agree withme it starts four oh, okay, I
watched more, but yeah, itstarted really great man,
revenge, bloody action.
There's some magic.
The kid's got a freakingmagical quill pen that he can
write reality.
I'm like, this is me.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I love this and that's like your recreators
thing that you were talkingabout.
I was like this is dope.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
And then, literally, the second episode.
It got a little like okay and Ithink I've, literally I think I
watched past four Cause I waslike it has to get better, you
can't start so strong.
And okay, you stumbled a littlebit but we're going gonna close
it out and I think I made it tolike eight and I'm like this is
the biggest disappointment.
(33:08):
The animation got shitty.
I guess they lost budget.
I don't know what happened.
That series fell apart at theseams man.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
It's terrible terrible, I agree.
I stopped watching it.
Episode four, uh, I couldn'tcome back to it, but we, we tip.
We don't agree on this one inthis instance.
My worst anime I've ever seenwould be redo of healer.
I watched one episode anddecided this is the hottest
garbage trash I've ever seen.
I'm not sure how it made itinto production.
(33:38):
I am fairly certain it's umhentai, that they just scrubbed
some of the scenes out of andthen published it live, and I
was like no, I don't usually getthat disgusted, and here's the
thing here's what this went up,because I'm trying, I feel like
I remember.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Is it the girl with the pink hair?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
yeah, she's like a princess or something, I don't
know, dude I'm not even kiddingyou.
One episode disgusted me prettybad.
So here's the thing.
We hit a point last year, inthe last several years that you
know there was this thing wherelet's make healers like kind of
awesome, and I was like I'mabout that, you know, I like, I
like a good healer story, I meanbecause let's explore that,
because everybody normally wantsto either talk about the op
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magician or the op you know,knight that shows up and, uh,
just mercs everybody.
So I was, I was about.
I was like all right, let's getsome OP healer action and see
what kind of stories can becreated.
And there's some good lightnovels.
The Great Cleric is a greatlight novel.
The anime was crap, but that'snot even on my worst list.
This redo a healer stuff,though, man, I don't know dude.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I don't know this one .
So what happened?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I don't remember any of that.
What so is it just discussedfan service.
He wasn't re dude.
I don't even want to call it fanservice, I don't know what to
call it.
I wasn't joking when I saidhentai, like that's.
So this healer, you know, heawakens um as a healer and he
comes to find out that, you know, healers are these super
valuable people, but not becausepeople think they're awesome,
they're just super valuable fortheir healing powers.
And then he gets just abused,and I mean abused in every sense
(35:13):
of the word.
Abused the main characteryou're talking about yeah, the
main character, and it's bad.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
So I'm looking at the image search and I don't like
what I'm seeing.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yeah, well, and it gets worse.
So I told you, I told you guys,I only watched one episode and
it it to me.
I was like this is notsomething I'm ever gonna finish,
but I wanted to know how itlike even got into production in
the first place.
So of course I did, you know, Idid the internet deep dive and
found out some of the storypoints on reddit like what, um,
(35:42):
what actually happens in thatstory, bro?
He gets worse, like he getsfull revenge on these people,
which you're like, yay, revenge,but it's he's as bad or worse
than they are.
Wow, so they went full-on, yeah, and and apparently he gets
revenge on everybody.
That's all cool and everything,but it's not because it's bad,
like you're just as bad.
(36:02):
I don't know that it was major,just fan service hentai, like
that's the whole point of theshow what did it?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
was it crunchyroll?
Where did it?
Air h dive dude, I do not evenremember.
Oh man, I've, yeah, dude, Idon't remember this one man I
think it was.
I think this was two or threeyears ago, maybe that it came
out yeah, I just was googling itwhile you're talking and yeah,
I don't even think I don't knowif I've even seen it.
I don't it's bad.
Isn't there a really goodhealer series?
(36:31):
Though?
What there's a good one now?
Right, because we were talkingabout it.
It made me think I swear therewas one that blew up.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
That was popular well , see, I don't know, the great
cleric anime was not, it wasokay.
Um, it's not amazing, but itwas okay.
The light novels are prettygood.
I like the light novels um, andthen let's see what else.
I yeah, there was one recently,this past year, and I'm trying
(37:00):
to remember what it was called.
It's literally the healer justgoes around learning to punch
people and because he can healhimself, he just becomes this
massively strong dude that's gotthese wildly insane op punches.
But he doesn't cool yeah, yeah,the story very cool, anime
pretty decent.
Um, I didn't look to see if ithad a manga or a light novel
(37:24):
because it wasn't.
The story wasn't interestingenough for me to want to invest
in light novels for that okaybut, it was definitely
interesting, you know.
It's just the healer thing hasbecome big the last couple of
years and so I was.
I, you know, I've been checkingthem all out like let's watch
at least one or two of thesethings to see if they're any
good.
And yeah, now redo of healerneeds to be redone yeah, oh, wow
(37:46):
.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Well, I'll still, I'll stay clear of it.
I feel like I remember the name, maybe, but when I was googling
the images I didn't it didn'tsee, so I don't think I've even
seen it.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
So if you're saying it's crap, man, it might have
been high dive.
It might have been high dive orhd I don't want to call it.
It might have been that becauseI had a subscription to
everything a few years ago okay,so I, I don't know well, I'll
take your word, buddy.
We're good, I don't need to seeit there's plenty of other ones
I can watch well, I think it's,uh, probably about time to wrap
(38:17):
up for the week, so I just wantto say, you know, thank you for
jumping into the realm with us.
Be sure to follow realm jumperswherever you get your podcast,
whatever your favorite podcastplatform is, and don't forget to
share your thoughts, theoriesand favorite moments with us.
If you want to chime in on thenovel versus manga argument, I
think you guys should do that.
Either check us out on thewebsite or, you know, in
(38:38):
comments anywhere, youtube,wherever you find us.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Absolutely, guys.
Don't forget to join us nextweek.
We'll have another greatepisode to talk and you know,
talk shit about and see what wecan do.
Until then, stay epic, and keepexploring the worlds you love.
Leave us a review on yourpodcast platform and if you're
stuck on what to say, just letus know your favorite anime.
We'll be fine.
See you in the next realm.
Thank you.
Welcome to Realm Jumpers.
I'm Andrew and this is myco-host, jordan.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hey everyone.
We're here to dive into theworlds of fantasy and anime,
bringing you epic stories andunforgettable adventures.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
We'll be talking world building, unforgettable
villains and everything thatmakes these genres legendary.
So let's jump into the realm.
Welcome to episode five.
Whoa, hold up five.
Yeah, man, episode five, whichI guess is technically episode
six, because you know, we didthe nerdy thing and had a uh,
(00:39):
episode zero, oh, episode zeroyeah the backstory.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
So zero, oh, episode zero, yeah the backstory.
So we gotta kind of decide, andI think it sounds cool we
should call our listenersjumpers jump.
I like it all right.
So jumpers, check this out.
Five episodes, well, sixepisodes.
We gotta do a round of applausebecause my man started writing,
writing his novel.
Knock it off, come on, youstarted it at least, right, I
(01:08):
mean yeah I wrote some words.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
There were some words written there were some words.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I may have looked at the words and the words made
sense.
So you're doing good, you'redoing good so far.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I mean, the alphabet makes sense, so that's not a
kind of.
It's not a hard bar to meet.
Cat in the hat makes sense.
I can rhyme words.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Well, I mean, hey, I was liking where you were, what
you're putting down on that, sogood job so far.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
No in.
In all truth, I uh, I reallyliked it as well.
I had written um, I think Isaid this, but I wrote a good
chunk of that prologuepreviously, probably four months
ago, and then I just kind ofwalked away from it for a bit,
got busy you know life, dealingwith other stuff, and then you
(01:53):
know you've been bugging me.
So I was like, let me just sitdown and look at this thing.
So I opened it up and I'm like,well, let me change this word,
let me change a few things here.
I don't like the way thatsounds.
Fix that.
Ooh, I love that.
What was I doing?
That's cool.
Like where was I going?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
So then I was like, oh, no,yeah, I do like this.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
So, look, I mean this wasn't planned, but this
episode is literally titledNovel vs Manga.
So, like you, it kind of kindof fits man.
Like, honestly, in a weird way,it's super weird that you
started doing it.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Finally, yeah, no, I mean, I guess it does like it
does fit um, so we're gonna hashit out.
You know what's better novel oruh, or manga oh yeah, we're not
going series we're not goingseries specific.
This is is just going to be anultimate showdown.
An ultimate showdown.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I'm going to win you probably will, but I'm going to
take the weird I mean as the sofar only author with books out.
You'd think I would have chosenthe novel, but I'm going to go
for the manga.
So it's going to be weirdbecause I probably should do the
other one.
But yeah, I'm just, I'm a mangamaniac, all right, but before
we jump into that, let's do ourrealm rumors.
We got some pretty interestingones here today.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, what do you got for me this week?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, man.
So the first one's pretty heavy.
I don't know how much youfollow it.
I'm sure you've seen a indifferent reports and social
media.
But the anime industry in Japanitself is like, obviously super
hard.
They work their asses off andthere's been a lot of talk about
what kind of conditions istheir actual working environment
(03:35):
for a lot of these big namestudios.
Mappa is a really big one wherethey kind of got into some
controversy.
You know people not reallygoing home working crazy hours
as much as I love MAPPA andeverything you know people not
really going home working crazyhours um, as much as I love
mappa and everything you knowtheir animation is great and all
the action's solid, but likethey take on a lot of projects.
So you know you got people likenot able to go home.
(03:56):
You know, to meet deadlinesit's getting a little sketchy.
So there's been so much talk ofthis and and I don't know if
this is more the west being morevocal, which is probably what
it is, because we always believepeople should be able to still
have a life and also work.
Japan likes to just work, work,work.
Now in Japan the actual federalinvestigation is happening into
(04:22):
what are these workingconditions, like their ftc, and
stuff is like is there unfairpractices happening?
You know like it's gettingpretty serious over there
because I think, you know,honestly, maybe the west is to
blame because the demand is somuch more now because we, you
know, consume any like, likemaniacs as well.
(04:42):
But uh, yeah, there's a,there's a lot of talk and
hopefully they'll be able to Idon't know maybe rein in some of
this stuff.
You know, gaming deadlines aresimilar, right, there's a lot of
that talk in gaming, in thegame world.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So first, I have two points.
Um, so you're telling me thatbasically, death march to the
parallel world rhapsody is thisis real life, death march to the
parallel world rhapsody?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
a hundred percent.
And also zombie 100.
Okay, zombie 100 becauseremember he was a.
He was a working in a studioand almost died.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah so, uh, further to point one there, I do think
it's a cultural thing.
Um, because it's mentioned inseveral light novels as a
cultural thing and not astandard set forth by the job
market.
The employer doesn't say, no,you've got to stay here.
(05:37):
I think it's 100% a culturalthing, at least that's from my
understanding of some of thelight novels I've read.
I think it's worse, buddy.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I think it's gotten worse.
I think it was originally thatand that's fine.
But I think the demand, likewhat we were saying in the other
episode, how so many anime arecoming out every year it's just
so many of them that the amountof workload that it takes is
probably close to I don't wantto say impossible, but maybe
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close with the timelines thatthey're releasing them in, you
know type stuff.
I think that's a big part, Iwill say, and it's kind of funny
because as much as I loveJujutsu Kaisen, the last season
was great, but there's a bigbattle scene in it when Sukuna
was fighting and stuff.
The one that aired wasdifferent than the one in the
blu-ray.
It's like they rushed it to getit out and it was great and
(06:31):
amazing animation, but theblu-ray one, because they like
went ahead and finished, it waslike way better.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
So I guess there is a little bit of that rush to
deadline stuff going on so thepoint too that I was going to
bring up was um, I think to toyour point.
What you said is just kind ofthe way the world is now.
Is it the West's fault?
You know partially, but alsonot partially.
You know, the the rise of COVIDand making a One hundred
(06:58):
percent remote workforce.
I don't know how far across theworld that went, you know, I
don't know how far that spreadinto that went.
You know, I don't know how farthat spread into Asia.
But that certainly, you know,would bring to light a lot of
situations where employees aredoing things they shouldn't, you
know, do for their own, fortheir own mental health and
wellbeing.
And I'm sure you know, becausein any society there's always
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going to be people that takeadvantage of other people.
So I'm absolutely sure you'reright that there are some
studios that took advantage ofsome of their workers.
You know, get it done mentality, that's human nature, dude, oh
yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I mean I wonder, like legal wise, what you know labor
laws they have.
But obviously it must be man,man, it must be a big deal
because they're investigating it.
So I guess there was somecredible whatever's going on.
So it's it'll be.
Of course we want anime all thetime, you know it's fine and we
want it as much as possible.
But if people are overworkingthemselves to the point of like
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exhaustion, I mean you knowmangakas, man, they get sick all
the time from overworking, theygotta take breaks like
constantly.
So that work ethic thing, maybeit is probably part of the
culture.
But you know you gotta behealthy too, you don't want to
disappear.
All right, a little bit lighternote on the some cool little
realm rumors here.
So have, I don't know if wetalked about before, but do you
(08:21):
watch dr stone at all?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
um, I'm going to get into it.
It's on my list, uh okay, butas I as I was telling you uh, I
restarted black coat, blackclover, because you said I need
to finish it, so I restartedblack clover.
Um, so, dr stone will.
It's on the list after that.
Okay, cool cool.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
So it's airing the final season right now.
Anime-wise, the manga's over.
But what's cool about this?
I remember here is the creatorBoichi.
They're making another seriesbecause Dr Stone ended, I think,
a couple years ago.
So their new series is going tobe a Western-themed, like, I
guess, guess cowboy western typething called marshall king.
(09:06):
There's not much info about it,but the art style is so unique
in dr stone and the storytelling, uh, you know, everyone's
pretty excited to see where thisis going to go.
They did release the little, youknow couple sentence synopsis
real quick, I'll read it.
I mean, why not?
So the storyline is a manclaiming to be the son of a
notorious villain, one whocommitted countless atrocities,
(09:29):
has appeared.
He says he killed his fatherand crossed the desert with his
corpse.
A new era western story,serialized every other friday.
So it could be kind of cool.
Man, it sounds very interesting.
Um, cool thing about thiscreator is they're actually
south korean and they made thejump to, uh, you know, japanese
manga.
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Their original series sun canrock.
It's like a fighting typeseries, like gang fighting type
stuff, which is really the art'sinsane.
I used to read it back in theday.
And then they, they did drstone, which was a hit.
The anime is, you know, verypopular and then now they're
going to come out with MarshallKing, so we'll see.
Hopefully it'll be just as good.
I don't know.
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It's like a Western, so youdon't see many of those Trigon's
, the only one I can think ofwhen I think of anime Westerns.
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
All right, so shall we jump into the great debate of
the century.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yes, of the great debate of the century.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yes, let's, uh, let's go, man, you're gonna have to
go first, though, on this one no, I think this is just gonna be.
Uh, I mean, we're not doingthis debate style, you know.
You, we're just gonna chat.
All right, that wasn't in thenotes.
We're just gonna argue, we'rejust gonna argue.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, we're just gonna argue.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
But I will start first.
If that's what you would prefer, let's do it all right, so
first.
So first, novel versus mangawhich one are we going to pick?
Obviously, I think everybodyknows I will be arguing the
point, for novels are better.
You know, pro novel here.
It's always going to providedeeper world building, better
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internal monologues and betterdescriptions of everything
that's happening, not just theaction scenes.
It's going to describeeverything that's happening, not
just the action scenes.
It's going to describeeverything that's happening Like
the outside character stuff,every little world building
detail, every single thoughtWell, obviously not every single
thought that the character ishaving.
But that's where you get yourinternal monologues from, and
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manga can't do that.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
So here's the thing, agreed, although they can do a
little bit of thinking panels.
So that is a thing that you cando, but the thing for me that
beats out and I love novels,don't get me wrong, of course,
nothing can ever beat thedescription nature of it, but
there's a version of manga thatthere's a hype level.
So what I'm using as an exampleis the last one that had the
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biggest hype was Jujutsu Kaisen.
So, as it's coming out everyweek and you're getting these
dynamic action battles andwhat's going to happen next,
their community around talkingabout each chapter, what's going
to happen next?
What does this character do?
There was this community aspectbuilt around it.
That novels will never havethat week to week thing because
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they come out in full, which isfine.
That's the, that's the medium.
But there's something reallyfun and interesting and I
honestly, even though socialmedia has been out for a long
time you know TikTok, Instagramreels there's whole communities
where they're literally justbreaking down the chapters in
depth.
People are commenting stuff,there's discussions going on and
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there's something about being apart of that journey.
It's like you're on it with thecreator, with this whole fan
base, week to week to week toweek and I think that that just
it's special man.
It's something crazy about itthat makes you really tied into
the story.
It's special man, it'ssomething crazy about it that
makes you really tied into thestory.
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And it's one of my favoritethings literally about reading
these every week is keeping itup to them every week.
Is you get drawn into thiswhole discussion around?
Is this what the charactermeant?
Is it you know, whatever,whatever's going on and that
hype, man, it builds.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I mean, I definitely see that.
But what about?
Isn't Japan based on for lightnovels?
Doesn't Japan have a bunch ofpublishing sites where authors
start publishing their weeklychapters of the novel weekly?
So it's a similar thing youread weekly.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Have you done that?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
before, obviously not for Japanese, but what I?
Do for some american what I dofor some american writers that I
follow um, I subscribe to theirpatreons and I get a chapter a
day for some of these writersthat I can go that's pretty cool
their newest chapter everymorning and then jump in the
comments and hang out witheverybody and type type it up.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, that's dope.
I think that's a cool way to do.
You know chapters and stuff.
I don't know if I would do itthat way as a writer I
definitely wouldn't, yeah, but Imean, some people do, it's cool
, but I don't know, I don't seethe videos being broken down.
Oh, this chapter, but thenagain, it's right, but the art,
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you know.
So another part is the art.
When you have some stunning artI'm going to use one of your
favorite series here, berserkyou look at some of these art
panels and you're like this is amasterpiece, this is literally.
And then you even get lost inthe little details because
you're you want to like absorbthis art masterpiece thing going
on.
And not every manga has art,that's not like that, but the
ones when they do hit it thatway, it does evoke more emotion
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and more stuff than just readingthe reading, the dialogue or
read or reading a page of a book.
I mean, I don't know man it, itdraws you into that I have to
disagree with you.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I I don't like I don't know.
I am always going to be moremoved by an internal dialogue in
a situation that you justdescribed.
I'm always going to be moremoved by the internal dialogue
in the novel than I am in thecouple of frames that you're
going to get with thatillustrated and the limited text
.
I'm always going to be moremoved by the light novel like I
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don't know you know that I I seeyour point, and 100 I think a
story like fairy tale, um, thatcan only be told through manga
and anime, oh yeah I don't seeit would be a terrible.
It'd be a terrible book, I.
I do feel like that would be aterrible novel of any form, you
know, but that's not.
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Most stories, most of the animewe watch, could be told in a
light novel, and most of themare.
It's just that they're notavailable for English readers.
A lot of them.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Which is crazy, because you would think that
would be a priority to get thosetranslate.
Maybe it's just that there'snot as much of an audience built
, a built-in audience,novel-wise, for light novel
slash anime type stories asthere is like regular.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
So, from what I understand, it just takes the
time to get the correct Englishtranslation, because it's not a
matter of just translating itdirectly into English.
Because if that was the caseand I've seen some of these fan
translations that go to theJapanese websites and they copy,
you know, the the updated storyinformation and then translate
it and post it and I'm like thisis terrible, but you can't
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understand half of it.
Yeah, no you can't.
And it's garbled mess.
You might read a character namehere and there and then you
know there's gonna be some ewstuff and it's like I I don't
know what happened.
Here.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
You're like I'm out, I don't know what's going on
right, yeah, he said some stuff,and then somebody got punched
and you're like, okay, I don'tknow, man, I think just the art
aspect to me, so I will give.
I actually have a question foryou because I haven't really
read light novels but I've readrather ones.
But so if it's a light novel,that's probably an anime or
going to be or whatever in thecover.
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Does it always have the maincharacters on the covers or is
it sometimes random characters,like when you see it in your
mind and then they do animate it?
Is there a time you're like, oh, that's not what I thought it
looked?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
like.
So it depends on the light novelsolo has solo leveling has zero
um, has zero animation at all,like there are no drawings.
Sorry for everybody that'slistening.
I've got a frog in my throatbecause you know it's winter
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time.
One second he's been fightingit.
So solo leveling has got noimages, no drawings, no
renderings, nothing, not in anyof the pages, not on the front
cover, not on the back cover.
It's nowhere to be found.
Um, but then you're gonna havenovels like um jobless
reincarnation, joblessreincarnation.
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Typically, you know, obviously,the first book is always going
to be the main character andthen you know, if the character
is going to meet somebody new inthe next novel, they'll
probably be on them, on the, onthe cover, with the main
character, or some novels, youknow, just do, whatever new
flavor of female is introducedin the next novel, she will be
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on the main.
You know the main cover.
And then, once you, once youopen up the cover, there's going
to be three to five images oflike scenes throughout the
scenes, throughout the, thenovel, and they're going to be
illustrated manga style, butonly three to five of them so
like solo 11 is a great, greatpoint and there's no art.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
So when you first saw um jinwoo or whatever, what
were you?
Like, oh, that makes sense.
Like, oh, I didn't think helooked that way in my mind.
Was there, uh, was there thattype of situation and with you?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
when you looked, I am so glad you brought this point
up, because it's one of thethings that I wanted to argue
for a point for novels.
Okay, so have you, and I'llanswer your question in a second
.
But I got to round about it.
I kind of asked this questionOkay, have you ever read
anything and I know you don'tread a ton but have you ever
read anything and you imagined acharacter or a scene or a
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setting to be a certain way inyour mind?
And then you see it on film oryou see it on television and
you're like that's not what itfucking looks like.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Oh yeah, and it breaks.
It breaks your experience.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
So that, right there, 100.
That's why a novel is alwaysgoing to be better, because it
leaves some things open to yourbrain's interpretation.
Right, there is no one perfectway.
Um, that jimu looks and I knowthat would be blasphemous to
everybody that read the themanhwa but the fact is the way
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writers write.
There is no 100 specific waythat everything gets described.
There are always going to bethings that are left up to the
reader's imagination, becausethe reader's imagination does a
better job of telling the storywith some limited data.
You give it some data and thenyou let your brain tell the
story and that's why you haveall of these different fan
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groups all over the internet forsome of these stories.
Like, I don't know, pick a book, just pick any book, you know,
and you're going to have fantheories all over the place that
say, no, it's supposed to bethis like Game of Thrones.
Right the ending, how is itsupposed to end?
You know there's 25 differenttheories out there and they
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could all be right, they couldall be wrong, they could all
have one point right, one pointwrong, you don't know, because
there are so many things left upto the interpretation.
That's the author's greatestgift is saying I'm going to
write some beautiful words, it'sall going to look good, I'm
going to give you somedescriptions and then I'm going
to trick you into.
I'm going to trick you intofiguring out your own story that
you have just told yourself,and I'm still going to charge
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you for it.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Oh, absolutely, no, absolutely.
And you know that part.
You know that you're the writerright Like you have to.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
You have to visualize that.
You know that that's the,that's what sells you, that's
what sells your book.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Well, yeah, like for me, when I'm writing a character
, I might have a version in myown mind of what I think it
looks like and I try to explainthat in the book and then.
But anyone who reads that'sgoing to have their own version.
So that's so.
Here's the thing.
And to kind of turn that aroundon you a little bit, that
disappointment that you'retalking about, which we've all
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felt, because everyone has readsomething somewhere at some
point in time, whether it's anovel, and you watch something
you're like oh, I don't, thatdidn't look right to me and it
just puts you in a.
You're like, okay, whatever.
But you're also like, I don'treally like that.
You know, depending on how it'scasted, if it's a show or a
movie, you will never have thatwith manga turning into anime or
anything else, because it'sdrawn, we know what it looks
like.
Now, if the art sucks becausethey you know it's paid some
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PowerPoint anime studio to do itLike, apparently I guess the
last blue lock season, there'sthis, this kind of movement all
the time.
I didn't watch blue lock, but Isaw the clip.
I've seen that kind of stuff.
Obviously people get mad, butthe character looks the way that
it looks in the manga becauseit was already drawn.
And now.
Now I will say there has beentimes where and and I personally
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being a monwa fan, I don'tunderstand.
It seems like when they colormanga covers, they do this weird
like color pencil, pastelcolors, all the time.
They don't color it like ananime.
I don't know if you evernoticed that a lot of times and
you're like, why do they colorit like that?
There's been a lot wherethey've done color here and I'm
like that's not what I thoughtit was.
You know the reason, right?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
no, I have no idea I don't know, because color theory
looks different on paper thanit does on screen.
Yeah, but so the art style hasto change.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I mean I get the art style, but even just the color
itself, like I've seen certaincharacters with purple hair and
then it ends up coming out andthey got red hair, like
completely different.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Okay, so that just comes down to an artist not
paying attention to the IP, youknow the intellectual property
You're not paying attention tothe source.
You know the intellectualyou're not.
You're not paying, you're notpaying attention to the source.
Ip, um, I think for that.
But also they might draw ascene and put the original hair
color in there and go that lookslike crap, that's washed out
this this character looks washedout this entire series.
We got to do something, and oneof the easy ways to do that is
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to change hair colors.
I also heard something elsethat, um, this, this was just
random, you know chats like inreddit, I think, and they were
like, well, the reason,everybody's hair color is
different, so you can tell themapart, and I'm like I mean, you
can tell people apart.
I don't think that's reallynecessary, but hey, maybe that
is a thing I don't know, itcould be.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
It could be and I'll say now the only thing I will
say about the manga to animestuff when you're adapting scene
, when they're adapting scene,if it's not adapted in the way
that it's presented in the manga, because they don't have the
budget, maybe a lot of times,then you get that whole similar
what you're saying, like oh man,they messed this up.
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You know that kind of stuff,similar to what you're saying
like oh man, they messed this up.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
You know that kind of stuff.
So let me ask you then how?
How do you think I know, I knowwe've talked about it, we did a
full episode on it um, sololeveling.
You think solo leveling isdoing 100, pretty, pretty close
to authentic for what the forthe manhwa was?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
yeah, because there's scenes that are literally I
mean, you can look them up andseeing them a lot lately where
it's side by side panel versusanime screen capture and it's,
if not the exact same, it isvery close.
Now, of course, the manga isgoing to have sometimes cooler.
You know you can put moredetail, things like that, but
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you know.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
The characters all look the same.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, man, they look really close like and even some
of the like the big.
When you read it you're like,oh shit, that was cool.
Yeah, they're doing that.
And they got the music dialedin.
Man, the music's hitting like.
They're doing a good job, Imean sure no doubt the show's
doing a great job.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I just bring that point up because so for solo
leveling, for having read thelight novels, they don't hit all
the character descriptions andthey don't do the things the way
that I feel like they shouldhave been done and that kind of
breaks the reality for it on mea few times in the show where
I'm like what, what, what'sgoing on here?
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just because that characterdoesn't look the the way I
imagine them to be based off ofthe description of the novel and
it kind of breaks that.
It breaks that experience.
Yeah, you didn't read it.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay so it's different because,
yeah, you, you did have that.
So, yeah, I never I read it, Ijust read the monifer.
So the character design is readright right off the page.
So it's pretty close.
Um, I don't really know.
I should probably look this up,I guess, but I don't know what
the story the difference wasbetween.
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I'm assuming someone, I guessthe author, made a deal with an
artist or what a studio I guess,to draw it from the book.
I'm assuming they still hadoversight authority right On,
like how it was drawn out.
I would assume.
Yeah, I know, I don't know.
I should look at it.
I'm sure they did, whoever itis.
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But yeah, that's just my biggest.
You don't have as many let downmoments of that's not drawn
right, because it's literallydrawn from the scene itself,
which is great, I get that.
And then the other thing, likeI said, the hype there's.
There's this high and if youhaven't, and there's actually a
whole thing right now, becauseyou just guys and ended and
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people can hate the ending,whatever, but there's nothing
right now coming out weekly thatis hitting the level of hype
that, uh, that justiu-jitsukaisen hit.
I don't know what was about.
I love that story andeverything.
Gojo is the man, but somethingabout that story just like
clicked with like a largeaudience and it's over and we're
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all just like you know,chainsaw man's cool, but it's
just not the same.
There's nothing, really.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
So you read the manga .
You read the manga for oh yeah,yeah, I can't.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
The next season is gonna be at all dude.
When there's like some fightsthat happen that you're like on
the edge of your seat, dude,like week to week to week.
It felt like that.
So I don't know how.
I mean, the anime is gonna beamazing when it gets to that
part, but you know it's going tobe cool.
I mean, I, I was in that, I waslike I was watching, I'd read
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dude.
I would read it on likethursday and then thursday night
or when I had a break at work,I'd go and look at a few tiktoks
of people who break down thechapter, who talk about and I
already read it like I was inman.
I was involved and makingcomments and the people
theorizing this and that.
So it was.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
That part was really fun for me, yeah all right, so I
know you have berserk backthere, but how do you, how do
you typically, how do youtypically consume manga?
Do you read it online?
Speaker 2 (27:45):
yeah, yeah.
I mean, if I had the money I'djust just buy them.
But who's got the money to buy?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
those things constantly.
That would be my last, final,biggest gripe about novels being
better.
They're more portable, you cantake them everywhere.
I read them on my phone and Idon't have to worry about being
able to like zoom in to look atimages, because I'm I can see
that I've got four or 500 bookson my phone and I have a few.
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I have a few, um, manga, um,mostly fairytale, because that's
one of the mangas that I didread and I don don't I don't
read them on my phone and it'slike now I gotta go bust out my
tablet and then even thensometimes I'm like I would
rather just read this on abigger screen, whereas you know,
a novel.
It's like I just hold up myphone, put it in front of my
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face and just start reading.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, there was a few times you're like zooming in
because you're like you reallywant I mean like you can read it
but like you want to really,then you get lost in frame too.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
It's like when you zoom?
In and try to zoom back out.
You're lost in the frame.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
You're like I don't know where I was at um, oh yeah,
I'm lost shit no, ideally likereading it on like a laptop or
something would be the best, butI'd be dude.
There be times I wake up andI'm just like, let me just see
if it's out and I would check.
And this is how hyped, like in,I was the official short and
jump stuff comes out sunday okay, like translated, but thursday
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is the unofficial fan ones andthey're always pretty good.
So I'd fucking read on thursday.
I'm reading thursday, I'll readagain on sunday, like I was all
in on it and there's somethingabout the hype man, it was like
it was really fun.
It's sad because there's nothingreally there right now.
I mean, there's a really coolseries that it's great.
It's a, it's like a swordseries.
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It's really.
It's really good.
But I don't know if and it isgetting an anime.
I think it's kakabuchi, I don'tknow the name, I'm gonna fuck
it up, I don't know how to sayit, but uh, there's gonna be
anime, so it'll probably getreally popular.
You're going to love it when itcomes out because it's really
good.
But there's not the hype builtinto the weekly releases, you
know right now.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Well, that was really my last big major point and
obviously, you know, foreverybody that's listening, I'm
sure you guys can tell we'rehaving a lot of fun with this
discussion and it really is.
Just, it's not even a mildargument, because we both see
the value of you know each, each, each type of art.
You know, jordan writes, bothfor God's sake, and and I do
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read some manga.
It's just, you know, I'm alwaysgoing to argue for the novel
point.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Well, you'll never for the novel point.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Well, you'll never, you'll never lose that argument
because of the whole ability toimagine.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, imagination is king man and and we've talked
about soul leveling like he'sthinking about all this stuff
during a scene and that's noteven shown at all.
So you're missing all thecontext that he's going through
in his mind.
You know they don't really showyou that.
So it's definitely worth it to.
Uh, no, reading.
Reading novels are awesome.
I just I'm a suck.
I mean y'all can't see it.
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Maybe we'll do a tour one dayof the uh, the studio here, but
I haven't literally have a wallacross from me of all manga
panels.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I'm staring at it right now, arguing with you
about artwork.
Well, it's pretty dope y'all.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I'm staring at it right now, arguing with you
about artwork it's dope I likeyeah, I like it.
It's fun, dude, it's myfavorite spot.
I'm glad we're recording ithere now.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
It's awesome well, I yeah, I am also glad you're
recording in there.
Um, I think all of our you knowfuture listeners because you
know we're posting this from thefuture.
I think all of our listenersshould chime in on.
You know their argument.
What's their favorite art formthere is it?
Are you the uh, are you thenovel person or are you manga?
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All the way, I think everyoneshould let us know yeah, these
jumpers really gotta get inthere it's yeah commenting get a
flame.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
We're going in the comments.
We don't care, get good, that'sthat that's fine, just keep it.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Figure it out.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Keep it nice, Whatever.
All right, bro.
So you kind of we got to do ahot take.
Man, we have to do a hot take.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
It started out as a joke and now it's like a thing.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Like it's a and I'm gonna give you all the props to
mine, because I couldn'tremember the name and you're
over here's like encyclopediaman, he figured it out, so mine
is the kingdom of ruin animehold on, we didn't ask the
question, oh shoot, so the hotworst what is the?
Speaker 1 (32:17):
worst anime you've ever seen worse.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yes, kingdom of ruin anime, and you've watched the
first episode, so you agree withme it starts four oh, okay, I
watched more, but yeah, itstarted really great man,
revenge, bloody action.
There's some magic.
The kid's got a freakingmagical quill pen that he can
write reality.
I'm like, this is me.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I love this and that's like your recreators
thing that you were talkingabout.
I was like this is dope.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
And then, literally, the second episode.
It got a little like okay and Ithink I've, literally I think I
watched past four Cause I waslike it has to get better, you
can't start so strong.
And okay, you stumbled a littlebit but we're going gonna close
it out and I think I made it tolike eight and I'm like this is
the biggest disappointment.
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The animation got shitty.
I guess they lost budget.
I don't know what happened.
That series fell apart at theseams man.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
It's terrible terrible, I agree.
I stopped watching it.
Episode four, uh, I couldn'tcome back to it, but we, we tip.
We don't agree on this one inthis instance.
My worst anime I've ever seenwould be redo of healer.
I watched one episode anddecided this is the hottest
garbage trash I've ever seen.
I'm not sure how it made itinto production.
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I am fairly certain it's umhentai, that they just scrubbed
some of the scenes out of andthen published it live, and I
was like no, I don't usually getthat disgusted, and here's the
thing here's what this went up,because I'm trying, I feel like
I remember.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Is it the girl with the pink hair?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
yeah, she's like a princess or something, I don't
know, dude I'm not even kiddingyou.
One episode disgusted me prettybad.
So here's the thing.
We hit a point last year, inthe last several years that you
know there was this thing wherelet's make healers like kind of
awesome, and I was like I'mabout that, you know, I like, I
like a good healer story, I meanbecause let's explore that,
because everybody normally wantsto either talk about the op
(34:17):
magician or the op you know,knight that shows up and, uh,
just mercs everybody.
So I was, I was about.
I was like all right, let's getsome OP healer action and see
what kind of stories can becreated.
And there's some good lightnovels.
The Great Cleric is a greatlight novel.
The anime was crap, but that'snot even on my worst list.
This redo a healer stuff,though, man, I don't know dude.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I don't know this one .
So what happened?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I don't remember any of that.
What so is it just discussedfan service.
He wasn't re dude.
I don't even want to call it fanservice, I don't know what to
call it.
I wasn't joking when I saidhentai, like that's.
So this healer, you know, heawakens um as a healer and he
comes to find out that, you know, healers are these super
valuable people, but not becausepeople think they're awesome,
they're just super valuable fortheir healing powers.
And then he gets just abused,and I mean abused in every sense
(35:13):
of the word.
Abused the main characteryou're talking about yeah, the
main character, and it's bad.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
So I'm looking at the image search and I don't like
what I'm seeing.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yeah, well, and it gets worse.
So I told you, I told you guys,I only watched one episode and
it it to me.
I was like this is notsomething I'm ever gonna finish,
but I wanted to know how itlike even got into production in
the first place.
So of course I did, you know, Idid the internet deep dive and
found out some of the storypoints on reddit like what, um,
(35:42):
what actually happens in thatstory, bro?
He gets worse, like he getsfull revenge on these people,
which you're like, yay, revenge,but it's he's as bad or worse
than they are.
Wow, so they went full-on, yeah, and and apparently he gets
revenge on everybody.
That's all cool and everything,but it's not because it's bad,
like you're just as bad.
(36:02):
I don't know that it was major,just fan service hentai, like
that's the whole point of theshow what did it?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
was it crunchyroll?
Where did it?
Air h dive dude, I do not evenremember.
Oh man, I've, yeah, dude, Idon't remember this one man I
think it was.
I think this was two or threeyears ago, maybe that it came
out yeah, I just was googling itwhile you're talking and yeah,
I don't even think I don't knowif I've even seen it.
I don't it's bad.
Isn't there a really goodhealer series?
(36:31):
Though?
What there's a good one now?
Right, because we were talkingabout it.
It made me think I swear therewas one that blew up.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
That was popular well , see, I don't know, the great
cleric anime was not, it wasokay.
Um, it's not amazing, but itwas okay.
The light novels are prettygood.
I like the light novels um, andthen let's see what else.
I yeah, there was one recently,this past year, and I'm trying
(37:00):
to remember what it was called.
It's literally the healer justgoes around learning to punch
people and because he can healhimself, he just becomes this
massively strong dude that's gotthese wildly insane op punches.
But he doesn't cool yeah, yeah,the story very cool, anime
pretty decent.
Um, I didn't look to see if ithad a manga or a light novel
(37:24):
because it wasn't.
The story wasn't interestingenough for me to want to invest
in light novels for that okaybut, it was definitely
interesting, you know.
It's just the healer thing hasbecome big the last couple of
years and so I was.
I, you know, I've been checkingthem all out like let's watch
at least one or two of thesethings to see if they're any
good.
And yeah, now redo of healerneeds to be redone yeah, oh, wow
(37:46):
.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Well, I'll still, I'll stay clear of it.
I feel like I remember the name, maybe, but when I was googling
the images I didn't it didn'tsee, so I don't think I've even
seen it.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
So if you're saying it's crap, man, it might have
been high dive.
It might have been high dive orhd I don't want to call it.
It might have been that becauseI had a subscription to
everything a few years ago okay,so I, I don't know well, I'll
take your word, buddy.
We're good, I don't need to seeit there's plenty of other ones
I can watch well, I think it's,uh, probably about time to wrap
(38:17):
up for the week, so I just wantto say, you know, thank you for
jumping into the realm with us.
Be sure to follow realm jumperswherever you get your podcast,
whatever your favorite podcastplatform is, and don't forget to
share your thoughts, theoriesand favorite moments with us.
If you want to chime in on thenovel versus manga argument, I
think you guys should do that.
Either check us out on thewebsite or, you know, in
(38:38):
comments anywhere, youtube,wherever you find us.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Absolutely, guys.
Don't forget to join us nextweek.
We'll have another greatepisode to talk and you know,
talk shit about and see what wecan do.
Until then, stay epic, and keepexploring the worlds you love.
Leave us a review on yourpodcast platform and if you're
stuck on what to say, just letus know your favorite anime.
We'll be fine.
See you in the next realm.
Thank you.
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