March 13, 2025 • 56 mins
In this episode of RealmJumpers, we dive into the world of fantasy literature and explore two incredible novels that deserve an anime adaptation: Mistborn by Brandon Sanderson and Min Maxing My TRPG Build. These stories deliver everything anime fans love—unique magic systems, dynamic action sequences, and compelling character arcs that would shine in animation.
First, we break down why Mistborn is a perfect fit for an anime adaptation. With its rich worldbuilding, steampunk aesthetic, and an intricate magic system based on burning metals for supernatural abilities, this series could rival Attack on Titan or Fullmetal Alchemist in sheer spectacle. We discuss which animation studios could bring it to life and how its heist-driven plot would make for a thrilling anime series.
Then, we shift gears to Min Maxing My TRPG Build, a light novel that redefines the isekai genre. Unlike the usual overpowered protagonist trope, this series leans heavily into game mechanics and strategic battles, making it a dream adaptation for fans of Log Horizon and Jobless Reincarnation. We discuss how its alternative reality side stories could revolutionize anime filler episodes and why its unique take on fantasy races sets it apart.
But that’s not all! This week’s Realm Rumors segment uncovers the latest drama in the anime industry, including Crunchyroll controversies and insider revelations on how major studios view anime’s global impact.
Join us for this deep dive into anime-worthy fantasy worlds, industry insights, and lively debates! Have thoughts on these novels or an anime studio you’d want to adapt them? Let us know!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to Realm Jumpers.
I'm Andrew and this is myco-host, jordan.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hey everyone.
We're here to dive into theworlds of fantasy and anime,
bringing you epic stories andunforgettable adventures.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
We'll be talking world building, unforgettable
villains and everything thatmakes these genres legendary.
So let's jump into the Realmand everything that makes these
genres legendary.
So let's jump into the realm.
Hey, jumpers, welcome back toweek six.
Thanks for joining us again foranother dive into a realm,
tonight's topic is going to befantasy novels.
(00:37):
That should have been an anime.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
All right, man Dude killing it.
We've all been sick.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
We were just talking about that.
Everybody's sick, just tryingto get over it.
What do you have for us, forrealm owners tonight?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
yeah, man.
So there's um, there's a coupledifferent ones.
Apparently there's kind of likea rabbit hole situation going
on here.
So it's the guy who voiced uhgajio, what was his name?
I know you remember his name.
There you go.
Yeah, obviously, kick-ass voiceactor.
Um, he's kind of like overcrunchyroll man.
He kind of accused them of somestuff and was just like.
(01:09):
You know, they're going throughmy fan mail.
They're like you know, I didn'tknow about it.
Apparently there's some dirtystuff going on behind the scenes
in some way yeah, I know, Iknow you read a little bit yeah,
go into a little bit more.
I know you were, you were theone who kind of found some of
this and I was reading some ofit.
But yeah, go in a little bit onthat.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
On it for us I mean, really, it's just the whole
rabbit hole, right.
So the the first thing I sawwas the um, the guy got fired
after a ada request, you know,which is a americans with
disabilities act um I don't wantto get into his whole personal
story, but I mean he's gotpicture proof on here of like
(01:48):
his direct boss flipping him offin a uh, in a zoom call I mean
I record everything, right yeahI guess it doesn't even.
It doesn't look uh likegenerated.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, it looks legit, so it'sso it's legit.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
So is he?
Is he suing them kind of likewrongful termination?
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, it looks legit, so, soit's legit.
So is he?
Is he suing them kind of likewrongful termination?
Do you know?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
is that kind of what I would imagine.
He's got a wrongful terminationsuit uh coming, but he
definitely posted to socialmedia and he took to twitter and
he or x, you know, and he waslike airing it out, yeah,
hammered out he's like 2024 wasthe worst year of my life you
know my mother was.
My mother was sick, I was, youknow, just because everything
going on with mom, I, I, uh, Iwas diagnosed with, you know,
(02:33):
like super stress and some otherstuff, and he just asked for a
couple of ada requests which youknow they should have complied
with oh yeah, complied with.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I mean, he has issues going on.
Man, we've all been throughsome stuff Like sometimes work
needs to give you some you knowleeway there.
And then Sony owns Crunchyrollright.
Is that what we were sayingearlier?
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Right.
So you know that's just therabbit hole right, Because we
discussed, you brought to ourattention a couple of weeks ago
for the, the danded and thing,where crunchyroll didn't promote
danded, and for two months.
So this initial article, youknow, for the, the guy that got
fired, um, just sent me down therabbit hole, man, and I started
chasing stuff and I'm like sonow sony, the parent company who
(03:19):
owns crunchyroll, apparentlythey have said um, just, they
treat anime as like kidscartoons, which that makes more
sense now in the context of whatthey did with dan to dan, they
don't, they don't care theydon't care even though they're
like fan base yeah, that's sowild, though right, because they
should know how big anime is,especially in the west as well.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Very weird, maybe like the older generation still
in control.
Maybe you know they don't getit probably quite a few boomers.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
There's probably boomers still in charge, you
know, and it's.
I've met a few boomers thatliked anime, but let's face it,
it's not.
You know, it's few and farbetween right.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
That's not a uh, that's not a norm, that's not a
standard thing maybe it's thesame boomers who keep making
these spider-man villain movieswithout Spider-Man in the actual
movie, and then they're justhorrible train wrecks of movies,
dude.
I have no idea.
It's probably the same thing.
And then there was somethingelse, right, wasn't there
something about the CEO mustremain Japanese, or something?
What was that about?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
So it's an attention grabbing headline.
It's like a clickbait headlineOf course.
Um, it's an attention grabbingheadline, it's like a clickbait
headline.
But when you get into the, whenyou get into the meat of what,
what he's actually saying, um,it seems pretty, it's pretty meh
to me.
You know what I mean.
They clickbait you with the,the guy saying the quote anime
(04:40):
must remain inherently Japanese,making it sound like only
japanese artists, only japaneseworks, only japanese stories.
And that's not what they'resaying.
He's open to doing anything.
You know any story fromanywhere.
Provide me a story and we'llmake it.
What he is saying should remaininherently japanese is the
studio, the artwork, thecreation of the actual anime,
(05:03):
that that shouldn't be handedoff or farmed off to a studio in
america and india.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
You know I mean else, which I don't blame them.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I mean, come on, yeah , no I see the point and I agree
with it because he's right.
Um, anime is inherentlyjapanese.
There's nothing wrong withadapting other stories, but but
leave the art where it is.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
You know, and that that proved out with solo
leveling yeah, because it's astory that they yeah that's a
korean story that they'vebrought brought to a japanese
studio so you're saying I have achance, man, to get my stuff
animated one day.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
That's what it sounds like you and a few others dude,
I really am.
I'm hoping that you know thereis a chance for that.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
That would be true great yeah, absolutely well,
buddy, on this one I mean,you're kind of heavy lifting on
this because you're the novelman, you know you're, you're
kind of the uh, the dude on onthat.
That's the expert, at least inthis.
In this little duo we got,you're the novel king, so I
guess you're kind of going tohave to talk to me a little bit
about this, and you main topicnovels.
(06:03):
That would make great anime.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
So let's hear it, buddy, you know this is the
crazy part, because you're theonly official writer out of the
two of us.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
For now.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
For now, that's the thing I write.
You're published, you know.
So I feel like this should bethe opposite, right?
I feel like you should bepushing books and feeling like
everybody needs to go read adamn book.
What is?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
wrong with you?
Yeah, I know, I'm just.
I don't know I'm weird man.
What do you want?
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I'm a weird guy.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
All right, well, let's dive into it.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
You know you ready, let's do it.
All right.
So the first, you know know,the first novel that I think
should be made into an anime isa, uh, a little novel called
mistborn by brandon sanderson.
Okay, have you?
Have you heard anything aboutmistborn previous to talking to
me?
Speaker 3 (06:54):
uh, let's do this so I've heard about, you know,
obviously brandon, he's, youknow, kind of a goat.
You know he's probably in thatconversation, um, but uh, no,
mistborn, I mean I I've heard itin passing, but it's one of
those things it's like where doI start?
He has a ton of novels, man,right.
So it's like, no, he's prolific, yeah, where do you jump in?
(07:16):
You know, it's almost like okay, I could probably figure it out
, but no, I don't know muchabout it all right.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
well, let's dive into this one, why I think Mistborn
should be made into an anime.
So first you know, first point,mistborn.
Let me give you a little bit ofeverybody, a little bit of
backstory, in case they haven'theard of Mistborn or read it.
Mistborn takes place in adystopian world called Scadrio.
This is a world where ash fallsfrom the sky, plants struggle
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to survive and the sun burnsbright red.
That's not your typical fantasysetting, right?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, it's kind of cool.
It's giving me a Tatooine vibesfrom Star Wars or something
Right?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
The whole vibe is bleak, but it is fascinating and
I think that would translatebeautifully into anime for
multiple reasons, but it justthat would be.
That would be gorgeous, right?
Just imagine an openingsequence.
You've got the mist rolling inthrough the streets, dark
silhouettes you know thenobility are looking down at
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everybody from the high risekeeps and you've got the squad
of steel inquisitors which I'llget into those later but you've
got a squad of steel inquisitorsmarching through the mist.
It's just beautiful.
I think it would work great asan anime intro.
I think it would work great asan anime.
There's nothing about this sofar that I don't think would
work.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
I'm already, buddy, I'm sold already.
Let's get it, man, all right,sounds awesome.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So then we've got, you know that that brings us to
the Lord Ruler.
He's a so-called God and herules with, you know, an iron
fist, and I do mean thatliterally, because he's
functionally immortal, he's gotinsane magical abilities and he
rules through through sheerterror.
This guy is an anime villainwaiting to happen I you know the
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type you know the type.
It's like the you've got nohope of winning he's got that
kind of energy overpowering deep.
Yeah, he's got that deep andmenacing voice and just a
presence.
He's just got that big finalboss presence, you know yeah, I
mean that's.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
You need a good antagonist.
So if he's that strong, youknow obviously that this leads
right into, you know, animeterritory here right.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
So next I'm getting into a little bit of the uh, you
know the magic system, right,it's built around burning metal
as a power source and this, tome, is like that's peak, peak
anime material.
We're talking full-blown fluidmotion combat characters, you
know, flinging themselvesthrough the sky by pushing off a
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metal, jumping off of bits ofsteel.
They can sense enemies through,you know, through burning
bronze, and they manipulateemotions in real time.
You know the um, I forgot whatit is.
Is it 10?
I forget which metal it is, butone of the one of the metals.
You can burn that metal tomanipulate emotions.
That's not just cool man,that's like.
That's built for being broughtto an animation studio, that.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
It's built for dynamic fight choreography so
let me ask a question here onthis.
So I want to make sure Iunderstand.
So is are they harnessing themagic in metal?
Are they melting metal?
How are they explain a littlebit more, because I need to, I
need to visually understand.
That's an.
So it has been.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
It has been a little while since I read it.
I believe they consume themetal and somebody's gonna fire
off and kill me for the peoplethat have read the book I
believe they consume the metal,but yeah, their, their body
burns the metal energy and itbecomes it becomes specific
power.
So, like steel would be ironsused as like a push, pull force.
(10:56):
Okay, and then steel issomething about.
Like you, I remember.
I remember the main characterlike jumping off of steel and
like just continuing to pushthemselves off of steel in the
midair.
That's pretty cool, yeah, hebasically created a flying
character just by burning steel.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, you're going to need a really good studio for
this man.
I think you might be rightabout Attack on Titan, because
it's very dynamic, it sounds.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah, so that's actually what I was thinking
about.
So I mean, like you lovedattack on titan, I've, I'm still
not done with it.
I've seen a few episodes, butyou know, those aerial
acrobatics, you know, if youthink about it like that missed
born's fight scenes could takethat to the next level and just
really drive that.
You know that aerial, theaerial combat, uh, to the next
level.
Yeah, it sounds dope for sure.
(11:43):
Yeah, so you know, on top ofthat, like the way the story was
created, right when BrandonSanderson got the idea, he
literally thought let's make afantasy Ocean's Eleven.
And you know that's exactlywhat that is.
He was watching, he waswatching and this is coming from
a you know an interview he gave.
He was watching Ocean's Elevenand he was like this is cool, I
(12:07):
like a heist story, how can Imake a fantasy heist story?
And that's what he did.
Man, you've got your full onspecialist crew.
Oh yeah, no, it's badass, yougot it.
You got a full on specialistcrew.
And you know, everybody knows,like a good heist trope, just do
that hits hard, right, I likePsycho Pass, akadama Drive,
(12:29):
lupin the Third If you've, ifyou've watched Lupin the Third,
just a good heist story alwayshits.
I mean it hits hard, just likean entire arc of the female main
character, vin when she's gotto start infiltrating noble
society, arc of the female maincharacter vin when she's got to
start infiltrating noble society.
And you know, you've got thetension building with every ball
she attends and she's trying todo some spying and make nice
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and play friends and you know,just do you know, do all the spy
stuff.
And then you've got kelsey, orthe male male character, the
male main character in mistborn.
Now this dude is just out therescheming like a charismatic
psychopath mastermind, rightlike he's just going nuts out
there yeah, that's cool, youlike that anti-villain like
(13:11):
level character yeah yeah, andit just, I mean you've got an
inborn multi-episode arc just on, you know, the heist part of
the story, right like it's.
I, I don't know, I, I feel likeit would be amazing to to see
that happen, to see somebodyanimate this, um, and and
sanderson brandon sanderson, theauthor, he's already open to
(13:34):
put, he's already open toputting this on screen, right
like his plan was to make a liveaction movie and they got as
far as some of the casting done.
Um, and you know, for me thisone hurts because it, you know
it means I was that close tobeing able to see miss born in
live action, but the butt thereis.
(13:55):
Honestly, I think anime wouldjust be better for it.
Um, I think anime would be thebetter platform for it.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I'm with you because you know I watch a good amount
of those live action fantasystuff you know, off books and
it's cool their shows and Iguess they do have big budgets.
But it just somehow doesn'tseem to translate correctly and
I always feel like it is missingsomething, even though some of
them I haven't read them, so Ireally shouldn't say that.
(14:22):
But even if I haven't read itand I'm watching it, I should
totally be bought in on the showand a lot of them.
I don't know if it's cgi, Idon't know if it's the state of
cgi nowadays, I don't know ifit's casting, but I I kind of
see what you mean a little bitabout.
You know, the anime thing wouldbe a really interesting version
of doing this, because theyhaven't done that yet you know.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
So I think another point based off based on you
know, hitting off of what you'rejust saying, you know, I think
what it comes down to is theunique magic systems, um, like
lord of the rings, you get someflashy stuff happening, but the
lord of the rings books itwasn't very clearly described
how magic took place, so youcould kind of bend the rules
(15:02):
there a little bit.
Um, but big budget you know,big budget films, uh, especially
when fantasy is involved, theylive or die by their cgi, which
like hashtag that you know, I'mgonna put that on t-shirt at
some point.
Right, uh, live or die by thecgi.
Yeah, if you don't have game ofthrones, your magic's just
(15:25):
going to look janky.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
So let me ask you, because you'd be a great person
to answer this so, like thewhole Wheel of Time show on
Prime right, does the magic lookgreat or does it just look okay
?
And you know, the budget's huge, it's Amazon and it just
doesn't seem like it's nothitting.
Not hitting like Lord of theRings they would hit.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
And or Game of Thrones.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Dude, that's OK.
So that's, you're dragging medown in a completely different
rabbit hole.
I appreciate the show for whatit's done, but you know there's
the big caveat there.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Right.
But, no, the magic was janky,it didn't look right.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
That was one of those circumstances where they used
too much cgi.
I think, I think they couldhave done less as more there
with that, with that, and gottena better effect.
Um, because they didn't clearlyexplain that normal humans in
that world can't see magichappening.
The only people that would beable to see the threads of magic
are magic users themselves oh,I didn't even know that, so yeah
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, that intro episode where shestarts waving her hands around
and doing some crazy stuff.
That was another thing that'smentioned in the books.
They don't really need to wavetheir hands around, they can
just do it with a thought.
If you're a magic user, youwill see the threads of magic
happening, but um, interestingbut, normal humans wouldn't be
able to see that and theyactually.
(16:51):
They actually like deride um,people that use magic by waving
around their hands.
They call it a crutch becauseit is you know they're.
They're saying you're notmentally strong enough to be
able to do it with just athought.
Okay, interesting.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Okay, well, I always wonder, because I always feel
like Game of Thrones reallynailed the realistic looking
stuff, but then, like some ofthese other shows, even Rings of
Power, like all these otherones that they're doing, which
is cool, to see fantasy beingmade in TV and it's probably
better to have a series than amovie, obviously but like, are
you guys really doing it right?
And in anime you would do itright because it's anime, like
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you're gonna do it right, andyou know that's, that's my whole
thing.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Anime is just gonna do a fantasy series better,
period.
But I think anime specificallyfor mistborn would be the
correct choice.
Don't get me wrong, man.
I, if they put together thelive action, I'm going to go see
it.
I'm going to be going to see iton opening night.
But I would be afraid that theyare going to screw up the
(17:51):
budget and they're either goingto make the CGI janky or it's
just it's going to fall flat,you know.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
I see it, oh well, yeah, sorry, I'm not trying to
rabbit hole you, but it justseemed like a good like, because
that's a big thing people talkabout right now is the shows you
know and and again.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
You know I do love wheel of time, but that is a
whole.
That is a whole rabbit hole.
I the books and the, the booksand the tv show.
I love them both for separatereasons, but that's a whole.
You know that's a whole rabbithole.
But yeah, anime, anime thrivesin the fantasy space, right,
they thrive in the magic space.
You know, look at Demon Slayer,jujutsu Kaisen.
Or you know, full MetalAlchemist.
(18:31):
You've got these huge magic,intense fight scenes that are
very well choreographed, they'revery well drawn and it just
looks amazing and it doesn'tbreak immersion.
Right, and I think that's whathappens to me in the live action
story is when the CGI budget isjacked, the story falls flat
(18:52):
Like it breaks me out of thescene.
Yeah, it breaks me out of theworld and it just falls and I'm
like, oh, now I'm just watchingit.
I was in it a minute ago, butnow I'm just seeing it.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Well, you say full metal, man.
I mean, I was thinking fullmetal as you're going over this
and I'm like this sounds not thesame, obviously, but like the
metal aspect and it, it almostdoes sound like alchemy type
stuff.
So it's very interesting andI'm that that's kind of what
you're you're saying like, yeah,actually it's very similar as
far as like that type of levelof fantasy.
(19:26):
It's it, dude, it sounds, itsounds like it'd be great you
need to tell brandon.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
You know, I wish I I.
My greatest hope is thatsomeone listens to this episode
that knows brandon and just tagshim and says like, hey, you
need to check out this idea.
This one would be great as ananime.
That would be insane.
Yeah, that would be.
That would be amazing but youneed.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
You need the studio dude, like we're talking about
realm rumors.
You need the right studio.
Right, you can't like I loveinvincible on amazon, it's great
, but like when you compare thatto soul leveling or other, you
just yeah, the animation justit's not hitting man, it it's
just not there.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, no, I agree, I don't know.
Studio Bones, madhouse,ufotable, I think any of them
would kill it.
The Goats, and then you've gotyour A1 Picture Studios, which
is doing solo leveling.
I think they would also do agood job.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Studio Wit would do good too by the way, okay, okay,
I think they're doing the onepiece new one.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah, they did the original attack on Titan first
couple of seasons.
I think they could probablyhandle it.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, I think any of those studios could handle the
vibes well enough, like the.
So you know, obviously, themagic, I think that any of those
studios could handle it.
But then you get the steampunkvibes Right and that's another
for me steampunk, I'm going towatch it.
That was initially what drew meto Full Metal Alchemist.
(20:49):
You know that, like it justlooks a little steampunk and I
don't know.
There's just something aboutthat steampunk stuff that I'm
just like, oh yeah, I want tocheck this out and it always
hits right.
I mentioned Full MetalAlchemist earlier, but you know
you've got cabin area of theiron fortress, um, and fairy
gone, fairy gone.
(21:10):
You know, I don't know if yousaw that one, but that's also
very steampunk.
Um, the magic was a little offfor me.
But honestly, the wholesteampunk vibe.
I watched it and I was like man, this is great.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I freaking love this yeah, it's a good aesthetic.
For sure, it's definitely.
It pulls you in 100%.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah.
So if you, if you follow thateven deeper, why this would look
good as an anime.
You know, they've got the,they've got the big, like the
Victorian elegance, the Gothicstructures, you know, and then
you've got the industrial thisof everything in the backdrop.
You know you're going to havethese plants puffing off smoke
and just all of the.
You know, I don't know.
(21:48):
Steampunk, dude, again, that'senough said, right, like, for me
that's enough to watch it, butI know that doesn't push it for
everybody.
The aesthetic just works,though.
You know then the maincharacter, the female main
character.
You know she's in a dark cloud,just mist filled skyline.
You know Kelsey is just pullingoff a heist um high society
(22:10):
ballroom somewhere.
You know, just, it's fantastic,dude.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I think the steampunk vibes just really work for
anime and you don't have a lotof it, you know.
So it's, it would stand outautomatically, just because
there isn't a lot of thataesthetic right now, or it's
been like years since we've seenthe last one yeah, it's, it's.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Every couple of years we get a good one or even a
half decent one, but steampunkisn't, isn't every single, it's
not every single anime.
So they'd be bringing somethingfresh.
Right, like magic's been done,obviously, but has a heist story
in a steampunk setting withmagic been done?
No, like that hasn't.
You know that that's gonna,it's gonna slap dude.
(22:51):
It's gonna be great, absolutely.
And you know there's also the,the element of like.
There's also the little bit ofelement of like the dark fantasy
, right, and it's not.
It's not like grim dark, likeberserk, like just dark for the
sake of being dark.
Sometimes that's like the pitof hell dark, right, yeah, it's
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bad, but we need more of thedark fantasy.
Like don't give us alllight-hearted shit all the time.
Dark fantasy anime you knowthey thrive when they give you
the hope and the despair.
You know you gotta have itbalanced on a scale, equal
measure, right, like made anabyss, uh, vinland saga, and
sometimes berserk, you knowabsolutely.
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Yeah, miss born's got the realstakes.
Characters actually die.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
You know that it's an emotional, just an emotional
gut punch in in every singlestory arc oh yeah, dude, it
sounds like I mean I don't knowhow many seasons, give it four
or five I mean, I'll get intothat.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I have a point about that actually.
Okay, good, good, yeah, um, Iwe've we've touched on the magic
system already a little bit,but I cannot perfectly, I, I
cannot overstate how perfectlyallomancy which is is, you know,
the magic system there.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Oh, that's a dope name for that Right Allomancy I
like that Allomancy.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
I cannot overstate how perfect that would be for an
anime.
The biggest issue you knowwe've also touched on this the
biggest issue with live actionmagic is just it doesn't have
the weight behind it.
You know it doesn't feel good,it doesn't feel like you're
there.
You get Gandalf waving hishands and then you know there's
some vague glowy thing happensand then boom, you know you get
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a spell.
But with allomancy, with aconcept like allomancy, it's
just it's.
You can feel it right, you cantaste it.
It's tactile, Like it's a thing, like you can imagine this
process happening.
Um, you, you consume the metaland you, you know your body
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burns it and breaks it down toget the powers.
There's an actual mechanicalprocess behind it and it feels
real, even though you know yourbrain knows it.
Not it it's.
It's not just magic happened,it's strategy and skill, like
resource management.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yeah, it's actually really cool.
So is it like they hold themetal and it dissolves?
I'm assuming they're not eatingit.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
No, honestly, I feel like they put it in their mouths
and swallow it.
Dang.
That's awesome.
We're talking like small piecesof you know, like not huge
chunks of steel, like smallerpieces of metal.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
That's still cool, though, cause you have to like
have it, and then you got tolike yeah, that's.
That's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
But it also puts you in a place for some really crazy
tactical battles Right, whichis another thing we've talked
about that we both love.
Like record of grand crest warhad a lot of the tactics and
solo leveling.
That was one of our gripes wasthey're leaving some of the
tactical side of gene wasprogress out.
I love tactics.
Um, just imagine that fightscene.
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You know that like somebody'srunning through the air and they
run out of steel and now you'vegot to shift your tactics to
try to figure out what the fuckyou're gonna do when you're
following.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
You're gonna splat.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, you're gonna splat what do you gotta going to
do when you're going to?
Speaker 1 (26:10):
splat?
Yeah, you're going to splat.
What do you got to do to fixthis situation?
Or you know I briefly mentionedthat you know you've got
allomancers that can controlemotions through burning some of
the metals and you know whatare you going to do, like, when
you're facing that allomancerand they're trying to like crush
your emotions, you've got tocrush, you've got to like,
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maintain, you know, hold of youremotions while you're still
using your metals to to beatthem in this fight.
It's, it's layered, uh, it canbe cinematic, I mean, it's, it's
damn near perfect for anime,dude I, it's, it's damn near
perfect I think the resourcemanagement is like a really good
twist to that actually.
Yeah I think honestly, readingit in the novels, You're like,
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oh my God, what is she going todo?
You know what is she going todo next?
Like she's out of steel or likeyou know she's out of 10 gold.
I think gold gives them alittle bit of farsight, like a
few seconds into the future.
I think it's oh, that's the.
Yeah, oh, that's the yeah, thisis one of the one of the
precious metals gives you alittle, a few seconds into the
future, and that's great forbattle, right, like.
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So imagine like you're burninga mix of like steel so you can
fly, you get a little bit ofgold in there and, uh, you're
burning something like iron, foryou know the push pull effect
so you can fight and throw stuff.
But like what happens when yourun out of gold and all of a
sudden you're not predictingtheir movements three seconds
ahead anymore, like I don't know, dude.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I can picture it and.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
I want to see it on screen.
Now, I don't want it to be ashow or movie, I want it to be
an anime.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Right?
No, I think we.
I'm going to start a position,a petition yeah, alongside of
liver, die by CGI.
Live or Die by CGI.
I think that that is going tobe the next thing I'm going to
start is to make?
To make Mistborn an anime.
I'm in it, dude, I'll sign itright now, and I know you love
character creation because youdo it often enough for your own,
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for your own works, so, like, Igive you a few examples of what
some of these characters couldlook like.
So I already mentioned.
Then you know, she's the femalemain character, this tiny
little girl, right, teenager,but young, tiny, small, um, you
know, just think about her.
Like hooded cloak, she's superfast, she's super deadly, I
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don't know.
Just, she kind of gives off theuh, yoroichi from bleach vibe
for me, okay, like, yeah, likeagile type stuff, right, yeah,
yeah.
And then you've got kelsey, themain male character, male, main
male, I apologize, I don't knowwhat I'm saying.
The main male character, um,but he's got that charismatic
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rogue energy, right, like, he'sgot that shitting and grin.
You're like just the, that biggrin you're like I have no idea
what's about to happen.
Why is this dude smiling rightnow?
And he's you know the battlescarred because kelsey has been
through some shit and that lookis just iconic.
I mean, I think one of the oneof the anime that pulls it off
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the best is uh, bon, you know,from seven deadly sins.
Oh yeah, the hair color wouldbe different, but like just that
, that grin, you know that, justthat grin the the way he acts
as a rogue like he's a shitstarter.
Yeah, right, yeah and that'scalcier, that's calcier.
And then you know you've got I.
I did say I would mention thesteel inquisitors later and this
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would be that part, so let metell you about this little bit
of nightmare fuel.
You got these.
You got these steel inquisitorsright and they've got their own
brand of magic.
They have a separate magic toallomancy and it's like heme
allergy.
It's called heme allergy.
Which blood stuff?
yeah, it's blood stuff buthere's where it gets terrible,
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right, terrible, and why itlooks terrible, why it would
look terrifying as an anime.
So what the steel inquisitorsdo, man, is they have to kill
you.
They have to kill you with ametal spike and then, once
they've killed you with thatmetal spike, they can implant
that metal spike into their ownbody and then they can steal
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that power.
Oh, that is metal, as fuck bro.
Yeah, how terrifying is thatdude so that is tall you've got
this tall, muscular, you know,steeled up giant dude with metal
spikes through his eyes andthey just kill you.
Try to right and they've allgot different powers.
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They've got.
They've all killed differentpeople depending on who they
killed, you know, depending onwho they killed?
Um, because not everybody hasthe same power.
It's not like everybody's bornto be able to burn all metals.
Some people can only burn ten.
You know, some people can onlyburn gold.
Some people can only burn steel,which means, if you can only
burn steel, which means if youcan only burn steel, the only
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thing that you can do is superis you can fly, but you're not,
you know you're not doinganything else.
That's super crazy, yeah.
So yeah, straight nightmarefuel.
I think the character creationwould be dope.
There are a few studios outthere that could tackle that,
but I mean, like it's, it wouldbe dope yeah, dude that.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Uh, you need a heavy metal soundtrack.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Heck, yeah, dude yeah , so also kind of the pacing
right for the pacing for theseries.
Um, I think this would beperfect as a one season shot for
the one book, like Mistborn oneseason, one book.
And like the way you can breakthis down right is you go like
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episodes one through threeYou're introducing Vin, you're
introducing Kelsier and you knowthe magic system.
Maybe a tiny little bit of theplot, maybe a little bit of the
crew, you know, but it's justintroducing people and showing
how magic works.
Maybe a little bit of the crewyou know, but it's just
introducing people and showinghow magic works.
Episodes four through eight youget your training arc because
Kelsier has got to train Vin.
He needs to teach her how to bea Mistborn, which is a Mistborn
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is someone that can use allmetals.
I know I said that noteverybody can use all metals,
but there is a select few thatare born and they're called
Mistborn and they can.
They can burn all metals andkelseer is one and vin is one
also, but vin didn't know shewas one, so kelseer has to train
her so you've got the trainingarc, then you've got the
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infiltration, part of this, youknow what I mean and you throw
in some more world, worldbuilding.
That's episodes four througheight.
Then when you dive into likeepisodes nine through twelve,
the heist starts right.
So you've got a heist arc.
This is where the tensionsstart to rise.
This is where everything startsto get a little bit funky.
You're like, holy shit, what'shappening next episode?
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And then I know it's nottraditional, but you push this
out to like 16 episodes, episode, episode.
Episodes 13 through 16, allhell breaks loose.
That's it.
You can like, you can run tothe end of the book with those
last four episodes and just gowild.
Yeah, and it's perfect for asingle season.
(33:02):
Adaption, adaptation, you knowit's.
You don't need to worry abouthaving multiple, multiple
seasons, are you?
You know, is the studio goingto be able to do it?
Are going to.
Is it going to be a four-yearwait in between seasons, like?
Speaker 3 (33:14):
yeah, forget that, just do it, just do a one shot.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
You know, just do a one shot run.
Give it the conclusion if youdecide to do.
You know the rest of the booksin the series.
That's great, but miss bornworks as a fantasy standalone
novel.
It would work as a standaloneanime it would need cliffhanger,
cliffhanger, cliffhanger yeah,yeah you could actually do it.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, dang man, I think you sold this man for sure
I mean, yeah, let's push thisto everybody, right I mean, hey,
if, if mon one stuff willbecome an anime, why can't now?
You know, light novels arealready, why not regular?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
now, let's go, let's do it so final thoughts right,
you got a killer magic system.
You got a, a world rich withsuper deep lore.
You got a lovable, chaotic crewof misfits.
Um, you get your villain who isfinal boss material.
You've got plot, plot for daysand, most importantly, anime can
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hit all of those things and doit the justice that it deserves,
rather than watching this fallflat on the big screen and you
know, with anime soundtracks,man, those things just turn the
heat to 20 on that.
I didn't even touch thesoundtrack, because I feel like
if you got all the other thingsright, the soundtrack could be
crap.
And it's still going to beamazing, but you know it would
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be good, you know what I mean.
Like yeah, some of thesesoundtracks are just epic yeah
it would kill it.
So I do have kind of oneaudience call out for anybody
that's listening Let us know whoyou think would be the best
anime studio to adapt this.
Um, also, if you've read missborn, what is the one scene you
would most want to see animated?
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Please let us know.
I will I you know, I would loveto talk miss born with anybody
dude, I'm about to read thisbook.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
You got me so hyped on it.
It might be my first novel in awhile it's actually not that
big either.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
It it's one of his smaller novels.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
That's good.
That makes me want to read iteven more.
Absolutely Dude killer Love it.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
I think it would be fantastic.
All right, let's jump into oursecond one of the evening, which
is min-maxing my TRPG build.
And yeah, I picked this one too.
But and I already know whatyou're going to say, man, I know
(35:40):
what you're thinking yes, it'sanother isekai, but hold up.
But hold up.
It's not the standard powerfantasy, right?
It's not OP protagonist haremsfor days.
That's not your.
That's not the standard powerfantasy, right?
It's not OP protagonist haremsfor days.
That's not this story, right?
This story.
Min-maxing my TRPG build.
They actually put some thoughtinto the game mechanics behind
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the world.
You know the behind the scenesstuff and by itself that makes
it stand out.
So you've got Eric, and I don'tremember what his japanese name
was, but eric, that's okay.
Yeah, you know, it follows thisguy, eric.
He died young uh, I think itwas cancer and he gets
reincarnated into this fantasyworld by a buddha.
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You know, so far that'sstandard isekai seven, right?
Yeah, standard stuff.
Here's where it does getinteresting, right.
So, like eric doesn't spend hisentire, you know, throughout
the novels, eric doesn't spendhis entire life, the entire time
.
He's around anybody.
He doesn't spend all that timetrying to introduce soy sauce to
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medieval fantasy people and youknow he's not that guy like in
my world we have this thingcalled the smartphone, and yes,
I'm making fun of that othershow.
Yeah, um, it's not that.
It's not that at all.
He leans into you know theworld's mechanics, like a dude
that spent way too much timeoptimizing his character sheet
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in dnd and that's mentionedbecause in his real life, before
you know, while he was incollege, before the cancer and
everything, that's what him andhis buddies did.
They'd get together and they'dplay D&D every week and like he
had bad roles, like he was anotoriously bad dice roller, so
what he?
wants to do in this life is islike maximize his potential.
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So he's going to min max hisstats, right, because?
He doesn't want to get wreckedby a bad dice roll and I mean,
like man died of cancer, likewhat kind of worst, what?
What kind of worst dice?
Speaker 3 (37:37):
roll, can you?
I don't blame this dude man.
Yeah, he's like not again.
This is not happening one moretime, right yeah, and it's yeah,
exactly so it's.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
It's also not like I'm op from day one.
Right, those stories have theirplace, they can be good.
But eric actually struggles.
He gets his ass handed to himum, in several fights, you know,
and during training he gets hisbutt kicked and he has to
tactically think his way out offights.
Everything's not a brute force.
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I'm just gonna put some magicin this and do it, or I'm the
best swordsman to ever walk.
That walk this earth because Iwas born this way.
You know sounds like rudy alittle bit, doesn't he?
It does, and there are theparallels there, but the story
is told differently enough andhe isn't.
His personality is nothing likerudy.
So it does.
It does set it off differently.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
So well as in like he's not overpowered to the
point of like he's justconquering everybody.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yeah right yeah, no, but there are other similarities
, like the character actually isdrawn, that he does look a
little bit similar to rudy andthere are.
He doesn't have a harem, butthere are other similarities
with the way he interacts withwomen.
I just it's kind of funny okay,the comedy yeah yeah, um, and
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you know we'll talk about themagic system again.
I know we just talked aboutthis with miss born, but well,
it's the cry, it's the backbone,right, yeah, right.
So for anybody that's stillwith us, if you were just
listening to the previoussegment, you know I love a
well-defined magic system.
Um, min maxing my trpg build.
They don't go full, sanderson,it's not the strictest rules,
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but the mechanics exist, they'reconsistent and they're not just
ignored to like, uh, cover aplot hole, right, okay, gotcha.
So what I mean by that is likethere's no, there's no random
power-ups out of anywhere.
You know, like it did.
He doesn't just wake up andhe's got a random power-up.
If eric figures something out,it's because he studied, he
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experimented and he applied hisknowledge.
Right, he pulls a few conceptsfrom the old world to adjust
some things, but it's notcompletely.
Oh yeah, fire can be hotterthan just red fire, you know
it's not yeah, like yeah yeahthat's pretty cool man.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
I like that he can experiment a little bit and,
like you know, figure it out.
That's always a cool concept,but you're bringing, like you
know, otherworldly knowledge orwhatever over, yeah, in a cool
way so I mean it also hits onsomething I personally
personally love.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Like your sword wielding magic user.
He's not full mage, he's notfull warrior, like he pulls kind
of the best of both, and to methat's always just a badass
dynamic.
Um, black summoner did it wellin the novels.
The anime was a little bit off,but for me the anime was a
little bit off.
But black summoner did it wellin the novels.
Um rudy in joblessreincarnation.
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He's not as good a a swordwielder as eric is, but he's
still decent, right, so he canblend the two fighting styles.
I don't know, I just I love it,dude, I love that.
I don't know if I want to callit a trope, but I love that.
Um, you got your your dualwielder and it's just something
that I always like so one of mybiggest gripes with the you know
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, fantasy settings when peopledo these things, is that
everybody does the races thesame way, right, elves?
You know, they're kind ofalways just these elegant, super
pretty, beautiful or reallyjust handsome dudes of gals and
they're always like oh, we don'tcare about humans, and they're
always perfect.
Right, they're always perfectwe're immortal fuck off.
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Yeah, and the vampires, vampire,vampires are always just like
broody, mysterious bloodsuckersthat just you know that we.
The vampire trope is so normalthat every like you picture an
anime vampire and it's the samevampire in every series.
Yeah, exception would be likeHelsing he.
He does it different.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Yeah, cause he loves he's a.
He's an actual monster, that'sright.
Yeah, that's the best partabout that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
So this story actually gives fantasy races
personality Right, and what do Imean by that?
So like the elves, the main elfcharacter?
Um, so, like the elves, themain elf character.
She's featured in quite a fewof the novels.
She's lazy as fuck, dude, Likeactively procrastinating instead
of just being like this natureloving perfectionist.
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She's like how do I structuremy life so that I can be as lazy
as possible?
Speaker 3 (42:22):
I mean, hey, you're immortal or you live thousands
of years.
Why not yeah?
Speaker 1 (42:26):
And so they've also got like arachnids.
The arachnids, you know,they're not just these big scary
spiders people, they, you know,they have their own quirks,
they have their own jobs thatthey do in this world.
They hit, you know, they'regood at certain things, so they
do those jobs.
And vampires, you know, likewe've seen it a thousand times,
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you get the edgy goth aristocratwith a blood addiction, but
it's not that right.
They've got.
They've got politicians, butthey've also got priestesses.
Some of them are royals, some ofthem are not, and they all
follow this moon goddess, whichI mean duh.
You can't break every singlevampire trope, but they all
follow this moon goddess.
And one of the things I love,and it's it's actually in a
later one I I don't rememberwhat novel number.
Right now there is an actualargument between a vampire and
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the current king of the empire,and the vampire doesn't want to
take over the empire he's likeyou don't see right, he's just
like yeah no, I don't want it,leave me alone, just just no, I
did it for long enough, I don'twant to do it again.
It's refreshing, yeah, it's cool, yeah, so it just it just
brings it to life for me,because they they flip some of
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the you know the common tropesthat we all see and we're all
used to, and it makes for somereally good character
interactions.
The last thing and I I feellike you are gonna love this
part um, we all know that animestudios love filler episodes.
We also all know that animefans hate filler episodes with a
(43:58):
passion.
But this story min maxing mytrpg build, they literally have
it.
It's built in for alternatereality episodes that are that
are canon next to canon, and andI'll explain why that's crazy.
Okay, so I'll explain it.
Eric, just imagine an episodewhere you know eric makes a
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different choice other thanbeing an adventurer, or maybe he
goes full mage instead ofblending, you know blending the
two and you get to see that playout.
And you could play that out ina filler episode where he's got
a different life and he makesdifferent choices and he does
different things and the bestpart about this fans can't say
shit because the author writesit into the end of every novel.
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There's an entire chapterdedicated to a side story of
what if eric had made adifferent choice.
That's really interesting, man,I'm on like episode I mean
episode, I'm on, like novelnumber, like eight or nine, and
there is a chapter at the end ofevery novel that is a
completely different life thanwhat eric had been planning on
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doing and it's based on thechoices that he made in that
book.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
That's so interesting and like very original man,
that's cool yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
So you've got a built in vehicle for filler episodes
and I wouldn't, even be madRight.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
It'd be fun.
How am I?
Speaker 1 (45:18):
going to get mad at that.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Yeah, it's fun.
Like, yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
I like that.
So all of those reasons, youknow, you get your filler
episodes that actually matter.
You've got a setting that wouldlook freaking fantastic in
anime form, a little bit of loghorizon, a little bit of jobless
reincarnation, just kind ofblend of both, I think for me.
And you know, you've gotfantasy races that have
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personality.
I think all those thingstogether this would be an
amazing anime and I would liketo see it happen.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
They've got plenty of material and I just think this
could really work.
Yeah, dude, I think this wouldbe really fun.
It's a light novel, right, I'massuming.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Yeah yeah, this one's a light novel series.
I tried to pick, like like epicfantasy and then a light novel
series.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Well, I mean, the light novel has more of a chance
to be animated probablyabsolutely.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
We might see it one day.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Mistborn is a wild shot in the dark but I figured I
I should voice that because Imean I want to see it no, I
think it'd be good and this onesounds fun.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
I like the uh, the different, I like the sword part
.
I think that would be reallycool, actually that he's both.
And then I think the uh, thewhat if stuff is like really
cool, man, that's, that'sawesome, that's a dude, this is.
This is fantastic, buddy, yousold me both.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
You're gonna watch them both when they come out
right?
Uh, you know I will be thereday one, but more importantly,
you should at least readmissborn I will.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
You've sold me.
I'm going to read it.
Man, next time I pick up a book, it's going to be and you're
going to end up igniting thiswhole thing in me where I want
to start reading more, which isprobably good.
Stop scrolling online, come on.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Just read for 20 minutes a night.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
Every night, just read for 20 minutes.
I'm going to ask you I'llanswer this too, but you're
going to go first because you'rethe bigger reader what's your
favorite book, man?
Speaker 1 (47:11):
I mean, you've read probably so many, probably the
Eye of the World by RobertJordan.
It is the first book in theWheel of Time series.
Okay, and every fall, everyfall, I reread the Eye of the
World.
I don't necessarily reread theentire series, but every fall,
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starting in about late October,november.
I reread the Eye of the World.
It just he turned.
Like you know, you got Tolkienwho put out Lord of the Rings,
and then that was the style fora long time.
Everybody mimicked Tolkien,right.
(47:52):
And then Robert Jordan puts outthe Eye of the World and I
think 1990 or 1991.
And all of a sudden he changedthe game and fantasy turned on
its head and everybody startedto try to treat things
differently, the way robertjordan did, and that just became
this amazing thing.
(48:13):
Um, and obviously he, you knowhe built an empire off of it.
The wheel of time series is 14books, but yeah, well, he should
at that point.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Yeah, that's amazing.
I mean that's amazing.
I mean that's what about youman?
For me so it wouldn't befantasy.
I don't like what you wouldthink it would be because of our
podcast, but my really firstbook that drew me into the world
and just shook it up would bethe Stand by Stephen King.
(48:42):
Dude, the brutality in the bookof the end of the world, a
virus, and then there's allthese biblical themes and I mean
it's not really spoiler, thebook's been out forever and then
they literally kill the maincharacter and you're like, wait,
what?
What are you talking about?
He was the main dude and thenthe rest of the characters have
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to continue the mission and tryto, you know, defeat the
antichrist or whatever it was.
I still think to this day itstands as one of my top ones and
I've, you know, wrote, used toread a ton of stephen king stuff
, uh, but that one was very like, it's very iconic.
I think it's definitely one ofhis best.
And then one of my other ones II, the original first
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gunslinger book was really coolbecause that kind of brought you
into this dystopian, future,destroyed world.
And there's a gunslinger andhe's chasing the man in black
and it's like what the hell isgoing on here and that's a whole
series of books and all that,but the stand was, it struck me
because of the, the brutalityand horror, apocalyptic version
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of the end of the world thathappened, and then the people
that are left over and then justkilling the main character off
and you're just like what neverwould have saw that coming.
So it sticks with me for sureI'm picking up a theme here.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Man right, berserk is your favorite manga because of
the darkness and the ultimatebrutality, and then the stand is
your favorite novel because ofthe darkness and the ultimate
brutality.
Well, but you don't write that,you don't really.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
I mean, you do write some dark stuff, but you don't
write the like ultimate darknessstuff your stories have light
at the end of the tunnel well,that's the thing, right, and
these ones do too.
Um, and they deal with real big, heavy biblical type themes,
which a lot of my stuff havebiblical themes in them, which
is I love that.
But yeah, I don't want to go tothe.
I think there's a place you gotto go in your mind to write
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that level of darkness and Idon't really want to invite that
in, as dramatic as that sounds.
But I just don't think I wantto play in that pool of that.
I can touch it a little bitwith certain scenes right here
and there, but I don't want togo full on.
Like you know, as we've saidbefore, what the fuck is wrong
(51:01):
with this guy in his mind, someof the stuff that comes out.
I don't want to go there, man,you know I'm not, I don't want
to be there, but I do respectthat these stories can ignite
this like visual in your mind of.
Like you know, I remember inthe stand like the blood's
coming out of the eye, likeeveryone's just dying of this
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virus and shit, you know, and itwas just scary, like what the
fuck would happen, you know, ifthat happened, type stuff.
Yeah, if you never read it,it's a really good.
Um, it's probably his, in myopinion, his best book, but it
was just very.
It's huge.
It's a big old book, but it youget pulled into that world, man
(51:41):
, you really get pulled in andyou're you like I have to see it
.
And then the twist with thecharacter you're like you're
just shocked.
You never see it coming, man,it's pretty pretty dope.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
I'll have to check it out, man, because um for
stephen king, you know I readpet cemetery oh yeah and then I
just kind of put stephen kingaway.
Um, it's not that I don'tappreciate it.
It's right Appreciate hiswriting, Like I also have his on
writing book.
You know that he wrote.
Speaker 3 (52:10):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
But and that's fantastic I love the way Stephen
King writes.
It's just that's not usually mybent.
I don't really go for the, thehorror or real life stuff.
But it's not that it's bad, Ijust it bad.
I just it's not usually mygo-to.
Now you know, if somebodyreally recommends a book, I'll
check it out and read it.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
So I'll have to do that with the stand.
Well, I just I just rememberreading it and it was just like
just so drawn into it.
I guess I don't know, maybeit's just one of my first ones,
that's why, but it was, it was a.
It's a great book.
I mean the series it was cool.
They've done a show a coupletimes of it and stuff which were
always they were all right, butwith the horror and that that
kind of stuff you kind of.
You know, a lot of his stuffgets adapted in a really shitty
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way, so it just puts kind of abad and he's, unfortunately,
personally he's kind of a crazyonline, so I'm not really a fan
of him as a person really, but Ican respect the shit out of his
writing, you know right, so did, isn't there, okay, you?
Speaker 1 (53:09):
you said his, uh, his works get abused in movies um
they just do?
Speaker 3 (53:14):
he just took the money, man, and didn't have no
for sure, but I mean I thoughtso god, what is the name of that
?
Speaker 1 (53:21):
is it like the dark tower or the watchtower or
something?
It's that movie with idris elbayeah, it's based off the
gunslinger yeah, okay, I thoughtthat was.
Somebody said that was donewell, and you know, again, I
know nothing about the book,like I'm not, according to the
books.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
I mean, if you didn't know shit about it it would be
interesting.
But if you know the the story,then you're like what the fuck?
Also, all his books, or most ofthem, have a little thread that
leads to the dark tower series,which is super fucking cool.
When there's like 30 differentbooks, I mean even it is tied to
it in a way, they're all tiedtogether.
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So it's like this multiversal,like epic story.
Not that you have to read themall to know it, but if you do
look for that, it's they're allgot a little string, that kind
of tie back, which that's cool.
Man, I respect the shit out ofthat, you know yeah, I'll check
it out.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
I'll check it out.
Well, I think we are probablyover time for this week.
I mean not that podcasts arereally timed, but you know what
I mean.
We we try to budget a littlebit of time.
I think we blew that out of thewater tonight.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
That's okay, that's my bad.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
I talked for a lot.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
Well, you were selling me on reading again,
which I sold you on writing, soI guess it's fair that you're
getting me back into readingagain, right?
Speaker 1 (54:40):
So what topic are we going to cover next week?
Jordan.
Speaker 3 (54:49):
So what we're?
Speaker 1 (54:49):
going to do next time is underrated anime gems.
Speaker 3 (54:50):
So this is going to be a pretty, a pretty good one,
because we need to find the newstuff, you know, these ones that
you overlook, for sure, Idefinitely can think of a few
off the top of my head.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
I'll be saving those to talk about next week
absolutely, man.
Speaker 3 (55:02):
Well, this is a good time today.
You got me back into reading, Ithink.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
Hell yeah, man that's the way it should be.
It gives you ideas.
True, absolutely.
All right.
You want to call it for thenight?
Yes, sir, all right, peace outLater.
Thanks for jumping into therealm with us today.
Be sure to follow Realm Jumperswherever you get your podcasts,
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Speaker 2 (55:27):
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Welcome to Realm Jumpers.
I'm Andrew and this is myco-host, jordan.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hey everyone.
We're here to dive into theworlds of fantasy and anime,
bringing you epic stories andunforgettable adventures.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
We'll be talking world building, unforgettable
villains and everything thatmakes these genres legendary.
So let's jump into the Realmand everything that makes these
genres legendary.
So let's jump into the realm.
Hey, jumpers, welcome back toweek six.
Thanks for joining us again foranother dive into a realm,
tonight's topic is going to befantasy novels.
(00:37):
That should have been an anime.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
All right, man Dude killing it.
We've all been sick.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
We were just talking about that.
Everybody's sick, just tryingto get over it.
What do you have for us, forrealm owners tonight?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
yeah, man.
So there's um, there's a coupledifferent ones.
Apparently there's kind of likea rabbit hole situation going
on here.
So it's the guy who voiced uhgajio, what was his name?
I know you remember his name.
There you go.
Yeah, obviously, kick-ass voiceactor.
Um, he's kind of like overcrunchyroll man.
He kind of accused them of somestuff and was just like.
(01:09):
You know, they're going throughmy fan mail.
They're like you know, I didn'tknow about it.
Apparently there's some dirtystuff going on behind the scenes
in some way yeah, I know, Iknow you read a little bit yeah,
go into a little bit more.
I know you were, you were theone who kind of found some of
this and I was reading some ofit.
But yeah, go in a little bit onthat.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
On it for us I mean, really, it's just the whole
rabbit hole, right.
So the the first thing I sawwas the um, the guy got fired
after a ada request, you know,which is a americans with
disabilities act um I don't wantto get into his whole personal
story, but I mean he's gotpicture proof on here of like
(01:48):
his direct boss flipping him offin a uh, in a zoom call I mean
I record everything, right yeahI guess it doesn't even.
It doesn't look uh likegenerated.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, it looks legit, so it'sso it's legit.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
So is he?
Is he suing them kind of likewrongful termination?
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, it looks legit, so, soit's legit.
So is he?
Is he suing them kind of likewrongful termination?
Do you know?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
is that kind of what I would imagine.
He's got a wrongful terminationsuit uh coming, but he
definitely posted to socialmedia and he took to twitter and
he or x, you know, and he waslike airing it out, yeah,
hammered out he's like 2024 wasthe worst year of my life you
know my mother was.
My mother was sick, I was, youknow, just because everything
going on with mom, I, I, uh, Iwas diagnosed with, you know,
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like super stress and some otherstuff, and he just asked for a
couple of ada requests which youknow they should have complied
with oh yeah, complied with.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I mean, he has issues going on.
Man, we've all been throughsome stuff Like sometimes work
needs to give you some you knowleeway there.
And then Sony owns Crunchyrollright.
Is that what we were sayingearlier?
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Right.
So you know that's just therabbit hole right, Because we
discussed, you brought to ourattention a couple of weeks ago
for the, the danded and thing,where crunchyroll didn't promote
danded, and for two months.
So this initial article, youknow, for the, the guy that got
fired, um, just sent me down therabbit hole, man, and I started
chasing stuff and I'm like sonow sony, the parent company who
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owns crunchyroll, apparentlythey have said um, just, they
treat anime as like kidscartoons, which that makes more
sense now in the context of whatthey did with dan to dan, they
don't, they don't care theydon't care even though they're
like fan base yeah, that's sowild, though right, because they
should know how big anime is,especially in the west as well.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Very weird, maybe like the older generation still
in control.
Maybe you know they don't getit probably quite a few boomers.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
There's probably boomers still in charge, you
know, and it's.
I've met a few boomers thatliked anime, but let's face it,
it's not.
You know, it's few and farbetween right.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
That's not a uh, that's not a norm, that's not a
standard thing maybe it's thesame boomers who keep making
these spider-man villain movieswithout Spider-Man in the actual
movie, and then they're justhorrible train wrecks of movies,
dude.
I have no idea.
It's probably the same thing.
And then there was somethingelse, right, wasn't there
something about the CEO mustremain Japanese, or something?
What was that about?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
So it's an attention grabbing headline.
It's like a clickbait headlineOf course.
Um, it's an attention grabbingheadline, it's like a clickbait
headline.
But when you get into the, whenyou get into the meat of what,
what he's actually saying, um,it seems pretty, it's pretty meh
to me.
You know what I mean.
They clickbait you with the,the guy saying the quote anime
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must remain inherently Japanese,making it sound like only
japanese artists, only japaneseworks, only japanese stories.
And that's not what they'resaying.
He's open to doing anything.
You know any story fromanywhere.
Provide me a story and we'llmake it.
What he is saying should remaininherently japanese is the
studio, the artwork, thecreation of the actual anime,
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that that shouldn't be handedoff or farmed off to a studio in
america and india.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
You know I mean else, which I don't blame them.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I mean, come on, yeah , no I see the point and I agree
with it because he's right.
Um, anime is inherentlyjapanese.
There's nothing wrong withadapting other stories, but but
leave the art where it is.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
You know, and that that proved out with solo
leveling yeah, because it's astory that they yeah that's a
korean story that they'vebrought brought to a japanese
studio so you're saying I have achance, man, to get my stuff
animated one day.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
That's what it sounds like you and a few others dude,
I really am.
I'm hoping that you know thereis a chance for that.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
That would be true great yeah, absolutely well,
buddy, on this one I mean,you're kind of heavy lifting on
this because you're the novelman, you know you're, you're
kind of the uh, the dude on onthat.
That's the expert, at least inthis.
In this little duo we got,you're the novel king, so I
guess you're kind of going tohave to talk to me a little bit
about this, and you main topicnovels.
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That would make great anime.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
So let's hear it, buddy, you know this is the
crazy part, because you're theonly official writer out of the
two of us.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
For now.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
For now, that's the thing I write.
You're published, you know.
So I feel like this should bethe opposite, right?
I feel like you should bepushing books and feeling like
everybody needs to go read adamn book.
What is?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
wrong with you?
Yeah, I know, I'm just.
I don't know I'm weird man.
What do you want?
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I'm a weird guy.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
All right, well, let's dive into it.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
You know you ready, let's do it.
All right.
So the first, you know know,the first novel that I think
should be made into an anime isa, uh, a little novel called
mistborn by brandon sanderson.
Okay, have you?
Have you heard anything aboutmistborn previous to talking to
me?
Speaker 3 (06:54):
uh, let's do this so I've heard about, you know,
obviously brandon, he's, youknow, kind of a goat.
You know he's probably in thatconversation, um, but uh, no,
mistborn, I mean I I've heard itin passing, but it's one of
those things it's like where doI start?
He has a ton of novels, man,right.
So it's like, no, he's prolific, yeah, where do you jump in?
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You know, it's almost like okay, I could probably figure it out
, but no, I don't know muchabout it all right.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
well, let's dive into this one, why I think Mistborn
should be made into an anime.
So first you know, first point,mistborn.
Let me give you a little bit ofeverybody, a little bit of
backstory, in case they haven'theard of Mistborn or read it.
Mistborn takes place in adystopian world called Scadrio.
This is a world where ash fallsfrom the sky, plants struggle
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to survive and the sun burnsbright red.
That's not your typical fantasysetting, right?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, it's kind of cool.
It's giving me a Tatooine vibesfrom Star Wars or something
Right?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
The whole vibe is bleak, but it is fascinating and
I think that would translatebeautifully into anime for
multiple reasons, but it justthat would be.
That would be gorgeous, right?
Just imagine an openingsequence.
You've got the mist rolling inthrough the streets, dark
silhouettes you know thenobility are looking down at
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everybody from the high risekeeps and you've got the squad
of steel inquisitors which I'llget into those later but you've
got a squad of steel inquisitorsmarching through the mist.
It's just beautiful.
I think it would work great asan anime intro.
I think it would work great asan anime.
There's nothing about this sofar that I don't think would
work.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
I'm already, buddy, I'm sold already.
Let's get it, man, all right,sounds awesome.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So then we've got, you know that that brings us to
the Lord Ruler.
He's a so-called God and herules with, you know, an iron
fist, and I do mean thatliterally, because he's
functionally immortal, he's gotinsane magical abilities and he
rules through through sheerterror.
This guy is an anime villainwaiting to happen I you know the
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type you know the type.
It's like the you've got nohope of winning he's got that
kind of energy overpowering deep.
Yeah, he's got that deep andmenacing voice and just a
presence.
He's just got that big finalboss presence, you know yeah, I
mean that's.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
You need a good antagonist.
So if he's that strong, youknow obviously that this leads
right into, you know, animeterritory here right.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
So next I'm getting into a little bit of the uh, you
know the magic system, right,it's built around burning metal
as a power source and this, tome, is like that's peak, peak
anime material.
We're talking full-blown fluidmotion combat characters, you
know, flinging themselvesthrough the sky by pushing off a
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metal, jumping off of bits ofsteel.
They can sense enemies through,you know, through burning
bronze, and they manipulateemotions in real time.
You know the um, I forgot whatit is.
Is it 10?
I forget which metal it is, butone of the one of the metals.
You can burn that metal tomanipulate emotions.
That's not just cool man,that's like.
That's built for being broughtto an animation studio, that.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
It's built for dynamic fight choreography so
let me ask a question here onthis.
So I want to make sure Iunderstand.
So is are they harnessing themagic in metal?
Are they melting metal?
How are they explain a littlebit more, because I need to, I
need to visually understand.
That's an.
So it has been.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
It has been a little while since I read it.
I believe they consume themetal and somebody's gonna fire
off and kill me for the peoplethat have read the book I
believe they consume the metal,but yeah, their, their body
burns the metal energy and itbecomes it becomes specific
power.
So, like steel would be ironsused as like a push, pull force.
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Okay, and then steel issomething about.
Like you, I remember.
I remember the main characterlike jumping off of steel and
like just continuing to pushthemselves off of steel in the
midair.
That's pretty cool, yeah, hebasically created a flying
character just by burning steel.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, you're going to need a really good studio for
this man.
I think you might be rightabout Attack on Titan, because
it's very dynamic, it sounds.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah, so that's actually what I was thinking
about.
So I mean, like you lovedattack on titan, I've, I'm still
not done with it.
I've seen a few episodes, butyou know, those aerial
acrobatics, you know, if youthink about it like that missed
born's fight scenes could takethat to the next level and just
really drive that.
You know that aerial, theaerial combat, uh, to the next
level.
Yeah, it sounds dope for sure.
(11:43):
Yeah, so you know, on top ofthat, like the way the story was
created, right when BrandonSanderson got the idea, he
literally thought let's make afantasy Ocean's Eleven.
And you know that's exactlywhat that is.
He was watching, he waswatching and this is coming from
a you know an interview he gave.
He was watching Ocean's Elevenand he was like this is cool, I
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like a heist story, how can Imake a fantasy heist story?
And that's what he did.
Man, you've got your full onspecialist crew.
Oh yeah, no, it's badass, yougot it.
You got a full on specialistcrew.
And you know, everybody knows,like a good heist trope, just do
that hits hard, right, I likePsycho Pass, akadama Drive,
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lupin the Third If you've, ifyou've watched Lupin the Third,
just a good heist story alwayshits.
I mean it hits hard, just likean entire arc of the female main
character, vin when she's gotto start infiltrating noble
society, arc of the female maincharacter vin when she's got to
start infiltrating noble society.
And you know, you've got thetension building with every ball
she attends and she's trying todo some spying and make nice
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and play friends and you know,just do you know, do all the spy
stuff.
And then you've got kelsey, orthe male male character, the
male main character in mistborn.
Now this dude is just out therescheming like a charismatic
psychopath mastermind, rightlike he's just going nuts out
there yeah, that's cool, youlike that anti-villain like
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level character yeah yeah, andit just, I mean you've got an
inborn multi-episode arc just on, you know, the heist part of
the story, right like it's.
I, I don't know, I, I feel likeit would be amazing to to see
that happen, to see somebodyanimate this, um, and and
sanderson brandon sanderson, theauthor, he's already open to
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put, he's already open toputting this on screen, right
like his plan was to make a liveaction movie and they got as
far as some of the casting done.
Um, and you know, for me thisone hurts because it, you know
it means I was that close tobeing able to see miss born in
live action, but the butt thereis.
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Honestly, I think anime wouldjust be better for it.
Um, I think anime would be thebetter platform for it.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I'm with you because you know I watch a good amount
of those live action fantasystuff you know, off books and
it's cool their shows and Iguess they do have big budgets.
But it just somehow doesn'tseem to translate correctly and
I always feel like it is missingsomething, even though some of
them I haven't read them, so Ireally shouldn't say that.
(14:22):
But even if I haven't read itand I'm watching it, I should
totally be bought in on the showand a lot of them.
I don't know if it's cgi, Idon't know if it's the state of
cgi nowadays, I don't know ifit's casting, but I I kind of
see what you mean a little bitabout.
You know, the anime thing wouldbe a really interesting version
of doing this, because theyhaven't done that yet you know.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
So I think another point based off based on you
know, hitting off of what you'rejust saying, you know, I think
what it comes down to is theunique magic systems, um, like
lord of the rings, you get someflashy stuff happening, but the
lord of the rings books itwasn't very clearly described
how magic took place, so youcould kind of bend the rules
(15:02):
there a little bit.
Um, but big budget you know,big budget films, uh, especially
when fantasy is involved, theylive or die by their cgi, which
like hashtag that you know, I'mgonna put that on t-shirt at
some point.
Right, uh, live or die by thecgi.
Yeah, if you don't have game ofthrones, your magic's just
(15:25):
going to look janky.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
So let me ask you, because you'd be a great person
to answer this so, like thewhole Wheel of Time show on
Prime right, does the magic lookgreat or does it just look okay
?
And you know, the budget's huge, it's Amazon and it just
doesn't seem like it's nothitting.
Not hitting like Lord of theRings they would hit.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
And or Game of Thrones.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Dude, that's OK.
So that's, you're dragging medown in a completely different
rabbit hole.
I appreciate the show for whatit's done, but you know there's
the big caveat there.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Right.
But, no, the magic was janky,it didn't look right.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
That was one of those circumstances where they used
too much cgi.
I think, I think they couldhave done less as more there
with that, with that, and gottena better effect.
Um, because they didn't clearlyexplain that normal humans in
that world can't see magichappening.
The only people that would beable to see the threads of magic
are magic users themselves oh,I didn't even know that, so yeah
(16:30):
, that intro episode where shestarts waving her hands around
and doing some crazy stuff.
That was another thing that'smentioned in the books.
They don't really need to wavetheir hands around, they can
just do it with a thought.
If you're a magic user, youwill see the threads of magic
happening, but um, interestingbut, normal humans wouldn't be
able to see that and theyactually.
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They actually like deride um,people that use magic by waving
around their hands.
They call it a crutch becauseit is you know they're.
They're saying you're notmentally strong enough to be
able to do it with just athought.
Okay, interesting.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Okay, well, I always wonder, because I always feel
like Game of Thrones reallynailed the realistic looking
stuff, but then, like some ofthese other shows, even Rings of
Power, like all these otherones that they're doing, which
is cool, to see fantasy beingmade in TV and it's probably
better to have a series than amovie, obviously but like, are
you guys really doing it right?
And in anime you would do itright because it's anime, like
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you're gonna do it right, andyou know that's, that's my whole
thing.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Anime is just gonna do a fantasy series better,
period.
But I think anime specificallyfor mistborn would be the
correct choice.
Don't get me wrong, man.
I, if they put together thelive action, I'm going to go see
it.
I'm going to be going to see iton opening night.
But I would be afraid that theyare going to screw up the
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budget and they're either goingto make the CGI janky or it's
just it's going to fall flat,you know.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
I see it, oh well, yeah, sorry, I'm not trying to
rabbit hole you, but it justseemed like a good like, because
that's a big thing people talkabout right now is the shows you
know and and again.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
You know I do love wheel of time, but that is a
whole.
That is a whole rabbit hole.
I the books and the, the booksand the tv show.
I love them both for separatereasons, but that's a whole.
You know that's a whole rabbithole.
But yeah, anime, anime thrivesin the fantasy space, right,
they thrive in the magic space.
You know, look at Demon Slayer,jujutsu Kaisen.
Or you know, full MetalAlchemist.
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You've got these huge magic,intense fight scenes that are
very well choreographed, they'revery well drawn and it just
looks amazing and it doesn'tbreak immersion.
Right, and I think that's whathappens to me in the live action
story is when the CGI budget isjacked, the story falls flat
(18:52):
Like it breaks me out of thescene.
Yeah, it breaks me out of theworld and it just falls and I'm
like, oh, now I'm just watchingit.
I was in it a minute ago, butnow I'm just seeing it.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Well, you say full metal, man.
I mean, I was thinking fullmetal as you're going over this
and I'm like this sounds not thesame, obviously, but like the
metal aspect and it, it almostdoes sound like alchemy type
stuff.
So it's very interesting andI'm that that's kind of what
you're you're saying like, yeah,actually it's very similar as
far as like that type of levelof fantasy.
(19:26):
It's it, dude, it sounds, itsounds like it'd be great you
need to tell brandon.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
You know, I wish I I.
My greatest hope is thatsomeone listens to this episode
that knows brandon and just tagshim and says like, hey, you
need to check out this idea.
This one would be great as ananime.
That would be insane.
Yeah, that would be.
That would be amazing but youneed.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
You need the studio dude, like we're talking about
realm rumors.
You need the right studio.
Right, you can't like I loveinvincible on amazon, it's great
, but like when you compare thatto soul leveling or other, you
just yeah, the animation justit's not hitting man, it it's
just not there.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, no, I agree, I don't know.
Studio Bones, madhouse,ufotable, I think any of them
would kill it.
The Goats, and then you've gotyour A1 Picture Studios, which
is doing solo leveling.
I think they would also do agood job.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Studio Wit would do good too by the way, okay, okay,
I think they're doing the onepiece new one.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah, they did the original attack on Titan first
couple of seasons.
I think they could probablyhandle it.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, I think any of those studios could handle the
vibes well enough, like the.
So you know, obviously, themagic, I think that any of those
studios could handle it.
But then you get the steampunkvibes Right and that's another
for me steampunk, I'm going towatch it.
That was initially what drew meto Full Metal Alchemist.
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You know that, like it justlooks a little steampunk and I
don't know.
There's just something aboutthat steampunk stuff that I'm
just like, oh yeah, I want tocheck this out and it always
hits right.
I mentioned Full MetalAlchemist earlier, but you know
you've got cabin area of theiron fortress, um, and fairy
gone, fairy gone.
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You know, I don't know if yousaw that one, but that's also
very steampunk.
Um, the magic was a little offfor me.
But honestly, the wholesteampunk vibe.
I watched it and I was like man, this is great.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I freaking love this yeah, it's a good aesthetic.
For sure, it's definitely.
It pulls you in 100%.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah.
So if you, if you follow thateven deeper, why this would look
good as an anime.
You know, they've got the,they've got the big, like the
Victorian elegance, the Gothicstructures, you know, and then
you've got the industrial thisof everything in the backdrop.
You know you're going to havethese plants puffing off smoke
and just all of the.
You know, I don't know.
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Steampunk, dude, again, that'senough said, right, like, for me
that's enough to watch it, butI know that doesn't push it for
everybody.
The aesthetic just works,though.
You know then the maincharacter, the female main
character.
You know she's in a dark cloud,just mist filled skyline.
You know Kelsey is just pullingoff a heist um high society
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ballroom somewhere.
You know, just, it's fantastic,dude.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I think the steampunk vibes just really work for
anime and you don't have a lotof it, you know.
So it's, it would stand outautomatically, just because
there isn't a lot of thataesthetic right now, or it's
been like years since we've seenthe last one yeah, it's, it's.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Every couple of years we get a good one or even a
half decent one, but steampunkisn't, isn't every single, it's
not every single anime.
So they'd be bringing somethingfresh.
Right, like magic's been done,obviously, but has a heist story
in a steampunk setting withmagic been done?
No, like that hasn't.
You know that that's gonna,it's gonna slap dude.
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It's gonna be great, absolutely.
And you know there's also the,the element of like.
There's also the little bit ofelement of like the dark fantasy
, right, and it's not.
It's not like grim dark, likeberserk, like just dark for the
sake of being dark.
Sometimes that's like the pitof hell dark, right, yeah, it's
(23:11):
bad, but we need more of thedark fantasy.
Like don't give us alllight-hearted shit all the time.
Dark fantasy anime you knowthey thrive when they give you
the hope and the despair.
You know you gotta have itbalanced on a scale, equal
measure, right, like made anabyss, uh, vinland saga, and
sometimes berserk, you knowabsolutely.
(23:34):
Yeah, miss born's got the realstakes.
Characters actually die.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
You know that it's an emotional, just an emotional
gut punch in in every singlestory arc oh yeah, dude, it
sounds like I mean I don't knowhow many seasons, give it four
or five I mean, I'll get intothat.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I have a point about that actually.
Okay, good, good, yeah, um, Iwe've we've touched on the magic
system already a little bit,but I cannot perfectly, I, I
cannot overstate how perfectlyallomancy which is is, you know,
the magic system there.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Oh, that's a dope name for that Right Allomancy I
like that Allomancy.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
I cannot overstate how perfect that would be for an
anime.
The biggest issue you knowwe've also touched on this the
biggest issue with live actionmagic is just it doesn't have
the weight behind it.
You know it doesn't feel good,it doesn't feel like you're
there.
You get Gandalf waving hishands and then you know there's
some vague glowy thing happensand then boom, you know you get
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a spell.
But with allomancy, with aconcept like allomancy, it's
just it's.
You can feel it right, you cantaste it.
It's tactile, Like it's a thing, like you can imagine this
process happening.
Um, you, you consume the metaland you, you know your body
(25:03):
burns it and breaks it down toget the powers.
There's an actual mechanicalprocess behind it and it feels
real, even though you know yourbrain knows it.
Not it it's.
It's not just magic happened,it's strategy and skill, like
resource management.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yeah, it's actually really cool.
So is it like they hold themetal and it dissolves?
I'm assuming they're not eatingit.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
No, honestly, I feel like they put it in their mouths
and swallow it.
Dang.
That's awesome.
We're talking like small piecesof you know, like not huge
chunks of steel, like smallerpieces of metal.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
That's still cool, though, cause you have to like
have it, and then you got tolike yeah, that's.
That's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
But it also puts you in a place for some really crazy
tactical battles Right, whichis another thing we've talked
about that we both love.
Like record of grand crest warhad a lot of the tactics and
solo leveling.
That was one of our gripes wasthey're leaving some of the
tactical side of gene wasprogress out.
I love tactics.
Um, just imagine that fightscene.
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You know that like somebody'srunning through the air and they
run out of steel and now you'vegot to shift your tactics to
try to figure out what the fuckyou're gonna do when you're
following.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
You're gonna splat.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, you're gonna splat what do you gotta going to
do when you're going to?
Speaker 1 (26:10):
splat?
Yeah, you're going to splat.
What do you got to do to fixthis situation?
Or you know I briefly mentionedthat you know you've got
allomancers that can controlemotions through burning some of
the metals and you know whatare you going to do, like, when
you're facing that allomancerand they're trying to like crush
your emotions, you've got tocrush, you've got to like,
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maintain, you know, hold of youremotions while you're still
using your metals to to beatthem in this fight.
It's, it's layered, uh, it canbe cinematic, I mean, it's, it's
damn near perfect for anime,dude I, it's, it's damn near
perfect I think the resourcemanagement is like a really good
twist to that actually.
Yeah I think honestly, readingit in the novels, You're like,
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oh my God, what is she going todo?
You know what is she going todo next?
Like she's out of steel or likeyou know she's out of 10 gold.
I think gold gives them alittle bit of farsight, like a
few seconds into the future.
I think it's oh, that's the.
Yeah, oh, that's the yeah, thisis one of the one of the
precious metals gives you alittle, a few seconds into the
future, and that's great forbattle, right, like.
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So imagine like you're burninga mix of like steel so you can
fly, you get a little bit ofgold in there and, uh, you're
burning something like iron, foryou know the push pull effect
so you can fight and throw stuff.
But like what happens when yourun out of gold and all of a
sudden you're not predictingtheir movements three seconds
ahead anymore, like I don't know, dude.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I can picture it and.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
I want to see it on screen.
Now, I don't want it to be ashow or movie, I want it to be
an anime.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Right?
No, I think we.
I'm going to start a position,a petition yeah, alongside of
liver, die by CGI.
Live or Die by CGI.
I think that that is going tobe the next thing I'm going to
start is to make?
To make Mistborn an anime.
I'm in it, dude, I'll sign itright now, and I know you love
character creation because youdo it often enough for your own,
(28:00):
for your own works, so, like, Igive you a few examples of what
some of these characters couldlook like.
So I already mentioned.
Then you know, she's the femalemain character, this tiny
little girl, right, teenager,but young, tiny, small, um, you
know, just think about her.
Like hooded cloak, she's superfast, she's super deadly, I
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don't know.
Just, she kind of gives off theuh, yoroichi from bleach vibe
for me, okay, like, yeah, likeagile type stuff, right, yeah,
yeah.
And then you've got kelsey, themain male character, male, main
male, I apologize, I don't knowwhat I'm saying.
The main male character, um,but he's got that charismatic
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rogue energy, right, like, he'sgot that shitting and grin.
You're like just the, that biggrin you're like I have no idea
what's about to happen.
Why is this dude smiling rightnow?
And he's you know the battlescarred because kelsey has been
through some shit and that lookis just iconic.
I mean, I think one of the oneof the anime that pulls it off
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the best is uh, bon, you know,from seven deadly sins.
Oh yeah, the hair color wouldbe different, but like just that
, that grin, you know that, justthat grin the the way he acts
as a rogue like he's a shitstarter.
Yeah, right, yeah and that'scalcier, that's calcier.
And then you know you've got I.
I did say I would mention thesteel inquisitors later and this
(29:28):
would be that part, so let metell you about this little bit
of nightmare fuel.
You got these.
You got these steel inquisitorsright and they've got their own
brand of magic.
They have a separate magic toallomancy and it's like heme
allergy.
It's called heme allergy.
Which blood stuff?
yeah, it's blood stuff buthere's where it gets terrible,
(29:50):
right, terrible, and why itlooks terrible, why it would
look terrifying as an anime.
So what the steel inquisitorsdo, man, is they have to kill
you.
They have to kill you with ametal spike and then, once
they've killed you with thatmetal spike, they can implant
that metal spike into their ownbody and then they can steal
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that power.
Oh, that is metal, as fuck bro.
Yeah, how terrifying is thatdude so that is tall you've got
this tall, muscular, you know,steeled up giant dude with metal
spikes through his eyes andthey just kill you.
Try to right and they've allgot different powers.
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They've got.
They've all killed differentpeople depending on who they
killed, you know, depending onwho they killed?
Um, because not everybody hasthe same power.
It's not like everybody's bornto be able to burn all metals.
Some people can only burn ten.
You know, some people can onlyburn gold.
Some people can only burn steel,which means, if you can only
burn steel, which means if youcan only burn steel, the only
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thing that you can do is superis you can fly, but you're not,
you know you're not doinganything else.
That's super crazy, yeah.
So yeah, straight nightmarefuel.
I think the character creationwould be dope.
There are a few studios outthere that could tackle that,
but I mean, like it's, it wouldbe dope yeah, dude that.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Uh, you need a heavy metal soundtrack.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Heck, yeah, dude yeah , so also kind of the pacing
right for the pacing for theseries.
Um, I think this would beperfect as a one season shot for
the one book, like Mistborn oneseason, one book.
And like the way you can breakthis down right is you go like
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episodes one through threeYou're introducing Vin, you're
introducing Kelsier and you knowthe magic system.
Maybe a tiny little bit of theplot, maybe a little bit of the
crew, you know, but it's justintroducing people and showing
how magic works.
Maybe a little bit of the crewyou know, but it's just
introducing people and showinghow magic works.
Episodes four through eight youget your training arc because
Kelsier has got to train Vin.
He needs to teach her how to bea Mistborn, which is a Mistborn
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is someone that can use allmetals.
I know I said that noteverybody can use all metals,
but there is a select few thatare born and they're called
Mistborn and they can.
They can burn all metals andkelseer is one and vin is one
also, but vin didn't know shewas one, so kelseer has to train
her so you've got the trainingarc, then you've got the
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infiltration, part of this, youknow what I mean and you throw
in some more world, worldbuilding.
That's episodes four througheight.
Then when you dive into likeepisodes nine through twelve,
the heist starts right.
So you've got a heist arc.
This is where the tensionsstart to rise.
This is where everything startsto get a little bit funky.
You're like, holy shit, what'shappening next episode?
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And then I know it's nottraditional, but you push this
out to like 16 episodes, episode, episode.
Episodes 13 through 16, allhell breaks loose.
That's it.
You can like, you can run tothe end of the book with those
last four episodes and just gowild.
Yeah, and it's perfect for asingle season.
(33:02):
Adaption, adaptation, you knowit's.
You don't need to worry abouthaving multiple, multiple
seasons, are you?
You know, is the studio goingto be able to do it?
Are going to.
Is it going to be a four-yearwait in between seasons, like?
Speaker 3 (33:14):
yeah, forget that, just do it, just do a one shot.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
You know, just do a one shot run.
Give it the conclusion if youdecide to do.
You know the rest of the booksin the series.
That's great, but miss bornworks as a fantasy standalone
novel.
It would work as a standaloneanime it would need cliffhanger,
cliffhanger, cliffhanger yeah,yeah you could actually do it.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, dang man, I think you sold this man for sure
I mean, yeah, let's push thisto everybody, right I mean, hey,
if, if mon one stuff willbecome an anime, why can't now?
You know, light novels arealready, why not regular?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
now, let's go, let's do it so final thoughts right,
you got a killer magic system.
You got a, a world rich withsuper deep lore.
You got a lovable, chaotic crewof misfits.
Um, you get your villain who isfinal boss material.
You've got plot, plot for daysand, most importantly, anime can
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hit all of those things and doit the justice that it deserves,
rather than watching this fallflat on the big screen and you
know, with anime soundtracks,man, those things just turn the
heat to 20 on that.
I didn't even touch thesoundtrack, because I feel like
if you got all the other thingsright, the soundtrack could be
crap.
And it's still going to beamazing, but you know it would
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be good, you know what I mean.
Like yeah, some of thesesoundtracks are just epic yeah
it would kill it.
So I do have kind of oneaudience call out for anybody
that's listening Let us know whoyou think would be the best
anime studio to adapt this.
Um, also, if you've read missborn, what is the one scene you
would most want to see animated?
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Please let us know.
I will I you know, I would loveto talk miss born with anybody
dude, I'm about to read thisbook.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
You got me so hyped on it.
It might be my first novel in awhile it's actually not that
big either.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
It it's one of his smaller novels.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
That's good.
That makes me want to read iteven more.
Absolutely Dude killer Love it.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
I think it would be fantastic.
All right, let's jump into oursecond one of the evening, which
is min-maxing my TRPG build.
And yeah, I picked this one too.
But and I already know whatyou're going to say, man, I know
(35:40):
what you're thinking yes, it'sanother isekai, but hold up.
But hold up.
It's not the standard powerfantasy, right?
It's not OP protagonist haremsfor days.
That's not your.
That's not the standard powerfantasy, right?
It's not OP protagonist haremsfor days.
That's not this story, right?
This story.
Min-maxing my TRPG build.
They actually put some thoughtinto the game mechanics behind
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the world.
You know the behind the scenesstuff and by itself that makes
it stand out.
So you've got Eric, and I don'tremember what his japanese name
was, but eric, that's okay.
Yeah, you know, it follows thisguy, eric.
He died young uh, I think itwas cancer and he gets
reincarnated into this fantasyworld by a buddha.
(36:23):
You know, so far that'sstandard isekai seven, right?
Yeah, standard stuff.
Here's where it does getinteresting, right.
So, like eric doesn't spend hisentire, you know, throughout
the novels, eric doesn't spendhis entire life, the entire time
.
He's around anybody.
He doesn't spend all that timetrying to introduce soy sauce to
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medieval fantasy people and youknow he's not that guy like in
my world we have this thingcalled the smartphone, and yes,
I'm making fun of that othershow.
Yeah, um, it's not that.
It's not that at all.
He leans into you know theworld's mechanics, like a dude
that spent way too much timeoptimizing his character sheet
(37:05):
in dnd and that's mentionedbecause in his real life, before
you know, while he was incollege, before the cancer and
everything, that's what him andhis buddies did.
They'd get together and they'dplay D&D every week and like he
had bad roles, like he was anotoriously bad dice roller, so
what he?
wants to do in this life is islike maximize his potential.
(37:26):
So he's going to min max hisstats, right, because?
He doesn't want to get wreckedby a bad dice roll and I mean,
like man died of cancer, likewhat kind of worst, what?
What kind of worst dice?
Speaker 3 (37:37):
roll, can you?
I don't blame this dude man.
Yeah, he's like not again.
This is not happening one moretime, right yeah, and it's yeah,
exactly so it's.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
It's also not like I'm op from day one.
Right, those stories have theirplace, they can be good.
But eric actually struggles.
He gets his ass handed to himum, in several fights, you know,
and during training he gets hisbutt kicked and he has to
tactically think his way out offights.
Everything's not a brute force.
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I'm just gonna put some magicin this and do it, or I'm the
best swordsman to ever walk.
That walk this earth because Iwas born this way.
You know sounds like rudy alittle bit, doesn't he?
It does, and there are theparallels there, but the story
is told differently enough andhe isn't.
His personality is nothing likerudy.
So it does.
It does set it off differently.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
So well as in like he's not overpowered to the
point of like he's justconquering everybody.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yeah right yeah, no, but there are other similarities
, like the character actually isdrawn, that he does look a
little bit similar to rudy andthere are.
He doesn't have a harem, butthere are other similarities
with the way he interacts withwomen.
I just it's kind of funny okay,the comedy yeah yeah, um, and
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you know we'll talk about themagic system again.
I know we just talked aboutthis with miss born, but well,
it's the cry, it's the backbone,right, yeah, right.
So for anybody that's stillwith us, if you were just
listening to the previoussegment, you know I love a
well-defined magic system.
Um, min maxing my trpg build.
They don't go full, sanderson,it's not the strictest rules,
(39:16):
but the mechanics exist, they'reconsistent and they're not just
ignored to like, uh, cover aplot hole, right, okay, gotcha.
So what I mean by that is likethere's no, there's no random
power-ups out of anywhere.
You know, like it did.
He doesn't just wake up andhe's got a random power-up.
If eric figures something out,it's because he studied, he
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experimented and he applied hisknowledge.
Right, he pulls a few conceptsfrom the old world to adjust
some things, but it's notcompletely.
Oh yeah, fire can be hotterthan just red fire, you know
it's not yeah, like yeah yeahthat's pretty cool man.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
I like that he can experiment a little bit and,
like you know, figure it out.
That's always a cool concept,but you're bringing, like you
know, otherworldly knowledge orwhatever over, yeah, in a cool
way so I mean it also hits onsomething I personally
personally love.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Like your sword wielding magic user.
He's not full mage, he's notfull warrior, like he pulls kind
of the best of both, and to methat's always just a badass
dynamic.
Um, black summoner did it wellin the novels.
The anime was a little bit off,but for me the anime was a
little bit off.
But black summoner did it wellin the novels.
Um rudy in joblessreincarnation.
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He's not as good a a swordwielder as eric is, but he's
still decent, right, so he canblend the two fighting styles.
I don't know, I just I love it,dude, I love that.
I don't know if I want to callit a trope, but I love that.
Um, you got your your dualwielder and it's just something
that I always like so one of mybiggest gripes with the you know
(41:08):
, fantasy settings when peopledo these things, is that
everybody does the races thesame way, right, elves?
You know, they're kind ofalways just these elegant, super
pretty, beautiful or reallyjust handsome dudes of gals and
they're always like oh, we don'tcare about humans, and they're
always perfect.
Right, they're always perfectwe're immortal fuck off.
(41:30):
Yeah, and the vampires, vampire,vampires are always just like
broody, mysterious bloodsuckersthat just you know that we.
The vampire trope is so normalthat every like you picture an
anime vampire and it's the samevampire in every series.
Yeah, exception would be likeHelsing he.
He does it different.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Yeah, cause he loves he's a.
He's an actual monster, that'sright.
Yeah, that's the best partabout that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
So this story actually gives fantasy races
personality Right, and what do Imean by that?
So like the elves, the main elfcharacter?
Um, so, like the elves, themain elf character.
She's featured in quite a fewof the novels.
She's lazy as fuck, dude, Likeactively procrastinating instead
of just being like this natureloving perfectionist.
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She's like how do I structuremy life so that I can be as lazy
as possible?
Speaker 3 (42:22):
I mean, hey, you're immortal or you live thousands
of years.
Why not yeah?
Speaker 1 (42:26):
And so they've also got like arachnids.
The arachnids, you know,they're not just these big scary
spiders people, they, you know,they have their own quirks,
they have their own jobs thatthey do in this world.
They hit, you know, they'regood at certain things, so they
do those jobs.
And vampires, you know, likewe've seen it a thousand times,
(42:50):
you get the edgy goth aristocratwith a blood addiction, but
it's not that right.
They've got.
They've got politicians, butthey've also got priestesses.
Some of them are royals, some ofthem are not, and they all
follow this moon goddess, whichI mean duh.
You can't break every singlevampire trope, but they all
follow this moon goddess.
And one of the things I love,and it's it's actually in a
later one I I don't rememberwhat novel number.
Right now there is an actualargument between a vampire and
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the current king of the empire,and the vampire doesn't want to
take over the empire he's likeyou don't see right, he's just
like yeah no, I don't want it,leave me alone, just just no, I
did it for long enough, I don'twant to do it again.
It's refreshing, yeah, it's cool, yeah, so it just it just
brings it to life for me,because they they flip some of
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the you know the common tropesthat we all see and we're all
used to, and it makes for somereally good character
interactions.
The last thing and I I feellike you are gonna love this
part um, we all know that animestudios love filler episodes.
We also all know that animefans hate filler episodes with a
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passion.
But this story min maxing mytrpg build, they literally have
it.
It's built in for alternatereality episodes that are that
are canon next to canon, and andI'll explain why that's crazy.
Okay, so I'll explain it.
Eric, just imagine an episodewhere you know eric makes a
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different choice other thanbeing an adventurer, or maybe he
goes full mage instead ofblending, you know blending the
two and you get to see that playout.
And you could play that out ina filler episode where he's got
a different life and he makesdifferent choices and he does
different things and the bestpart about this fans can't say
shit because the author writesit into the end of every novel.
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There's an entire chapterdedicated to a side story of
what if eric had made adifferent choice.
That's really interesting, man,I'm on like episode I mean
episode, I'm on, like novelnumber, like eight or nine, and
there is a chapter at the end ofevery novel that is a
completely different life thanwhat eric had been planning on
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doing and it's based on thechoices that he made in that
book.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
That's so interesting and like very original man,
that's cool yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
So you've got a built in vehicle for filler episodes
and I wouldn't, even be madRight.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
It'd be fun.
How am I?
Speaker 1 (45:18):
going to get mad at that.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Yeah, it's fun.
Like, yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
I like that.
So all of those reasons, youknow, you get your filler
episodes that actually matter.
You've got a setting that wouldlook freaking fantastic in
anime form, a little bit of loghorizon, a little bit of jobless
reincarnation, just kind ofblend of both, I think for me.
And you know, you've gotfantasy races that have
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personality.
I think all those thingstogether this would be an
amazing anime and I would liketo see it happen.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
They've got plenty of material and I just think this
could really work.
Yeah, dude, I think this wouldbe really fun.
It's a light novel, right, I'massuming.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Yeah yeah, this one's a light novel series.
I tried to pick, like like epicfantasy and then a light novel
series.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Well, I mean, the light novel has more of a chance
to be animated probablyabsolutely.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
We might see it one day.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Mistborn is a wild shot in the dark but I figured I
I should voice that because Imean I want to see it no, I
think it'd be good and this onesounds fun.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
I like the uh, the different, I like the sword part
.
I think that would be reallycool, actually that he's both.
And then I think the uh, thewhat if stuff is like really
cool, man, that's, that'sawesome, that's a dude, this is.
This is fantastic, buddy, yousold me both.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
You're gonna watch them both when they come out
right?
Uh, you know I will be thereday one, but more importantly,
you should at least readmissborn I will.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
You've sold me.
I'm going to read it.
Man, next time I pick up a book, it's going to be and you're
going to end up igniting thiswhole thing in me where I want
to start reading more, which isprobably good.
Stop scrolling online, come on.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Just read for 20 minutes a night.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
Every night, just read for 20 minutes.
I'm going to ask you I'llanswer this too, but you're
going to go first because you'rethe bigger reader what's your
favorite book, man?
Speaker 1 (47:11):
I mean, you've read probably so many, probably the
Eye of the World by RobertJordan.
It is the first book in theWheel of Time series.
Okay, and every fall, everyfall, I reread the Eye of the
World.
I don't necessarily reread theentire series, but every fall,
(47:32):
starting in about late October,november.
I reread the Eye of the World.
It just he turned.
Like you know, you got Tolkienwho put out Lord of the Rings,
and then that was the style fora long time.
Everybody mimicked Tolkien,right.
(47:52):
And then Robert Jordan puts outthe Eye of the World and I
think 1990 or 1991.
And all of a sudden he changedthe game and fantasy turned on
its head and everybody startedto try to treat things
differently, the way robertjordan did, and that just became
this amazing thing.
(48:13):
Um, and obviously he, you knowhe built an empire off of it.
The wheel of time series is 14books, but yeah, well, he should
at that point.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Yeah, that's amazing.
I mean that's amazing.
I mean that's what about youman?
For me so it wouldn't befantasy.
I don't like what you wouldthink it would be because of our
podcast, but my really firstbook that drew me into the world
and just shook it up would bethe Stand by Stephen King.
(48:42):
Dude, the brutality in the bookof the end of the world, a
virus, and then there's allthese biblical themes and I mean
it's not really spoiler, thebook's been out forever and then
they literally kill the maincharacter and you're like, wait,
what?
What are you talking about?
He was the main dude and thenthe rest of the characters have
(49:02):
to continue the mission and tryto, you know, defeat the
antichrist or whatever it was.
I still think to this day itstands as one of my top ones and
I've, you know, wrote, used toread a ton of stephen king stuff
, uh, but that one was very like, it's very iconic.
I think it's definitely one ofhis best.
And then one of my other ones II, the original first
(49:24):
gunslinger book was really coolbecause that kind of brought you
into this dystopian, future,destroyed world.
And there's a gunslinger andhe's chasing the man in black
and it's like what the hell isgoing on here and that's a whole
series of books and all that,but the stand was, it struck me
because of the, the brutalityand horror, apocalyptic version
(49:46):
of the end of the world thathappened, and then the people
that are left over and then justkilling the main character off
and you're just like what neverwould have saw that coming.
So it sticks with me for sureI'm picking up a theme here.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Man right, berserk is your favorite manga because of
the darkness and the ultimatebrutality, and then the stand is
your favorite novel because ofthe darkness and the ultimate
brutality.
Well, but you don't write that,you don't really.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
I mean, you do write some dark stuff, but you don't
write the like ultimate darknessstuff your stories have light
at the end of the tunnel well,that's the thing, right, and
these ones do too.
Um, and they deal with real big, heavy biblical type themes,
which a lot of my stuff havebiblical themes in them, which
is I love that.
But yeah, I don't want to go tothe.
I think there's a place you gotto go in your mind to write
(50:39):
that level of darkness and Idon't really want to invite that
in, as dramatic as that sounds.
But I just don't think I wantto play in that pool of that.
I can touch it a little bitwith certain scenes right here
and there, but I don't want togo full on.
Like you know, as we've saidbefore, what the fuck is wrong
(51:01):
with this guy in his mind, someof the stuff that comes out.
I don't want to go there, man,you know I'm not, I don't want
to be there, but I do respectthat these stories can ignite
this like visual in your mind of.
Like you know, I remember inthe stand like the blood's
coming out of the eye, likeeveryone's just dying of this
(51:21):
virus and shit, you know, and itwas just scary, like what the
fuck would happen, you know, ifthat happened, type stuff.
Yeah, if you never read it,it's a really good.
Um, it's probably his, in myopinion, his best book, but it
was just very.
It's huge.
It's a big old book, but it youget pulled into that world, man
(51:41):
, you really get pulled in andyou're you like I have to see it
.
And then the twist with thecharacter you're like you're
just shocked.
You never see it coming, man,it's pretty pretty dope.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
I'll have to check it out, man, because um for
stephen king, you know I readpet cemetery oh yeah and then I
just kind of put stephen kingaway.
Um, it's not that I don'tappreciate it.
It's right Appreciate hiswriting, Like I also have his on
writing book.
You know that he wrote.
Speaker 3 (52:10):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
But and that's fantastic I love the way Stephen
King writes.
It's just that's not usually mybent.
I don't really go for the, thehorror or real life stuff.
But it's not that it's bad, Ijust it bad.
I just it's not usually mygo-to.
Now you know, if somebodyreally recommends a book, I'll
check it out and read it.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
So I'll have to do that with the stand.
Well, I just I just rememberreading it and it was just like
just so drawn into it.
I guess I don't know, maybeit's just one of my first ones,
that's why, but it was, it was a.
It's a great book.
I mean the series it was cool.
They've done a show a coupletimes of it and stuff which were
always they were all right, butwith the horror and that that
kind of stuff you kind of.
You know, a lot of his stuffgets adapted in a really shitty
(52:54):
way, so it just puts kind of abad and he's, unfortunately,
personally he's kind of a crazyonline, so I'm not really a fan
of him as a person really, but Ican respect the shit out of his
writing, you know right, so did, isn't there, okay, you?
Speaker 1 (53:09):
you said his, uh, his works get abused in movies um
they just do?
Speaker 3 (53:14):
he just took the money, man, and didn't have no
for sure, but I mean I thoughtso god, what is the name of that
?
Speaker 1 (53:21):
is it like the dark tower or the watchtower or
something?
It's that movie with idris elbayeah, it's based off the
gunslinger yeah, okay, I thoughtthat was.
Somebody said that was donewell, and you know, again, I
know nothing about the book,like I'm not, according to the
books.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
I mean, if you didn't know shit about it it would be
interesting.
But if you know the the story,then you're like what the fuck?
Also, all his books, or most ofthem, have a little thread that
leads to the dark tower series,which is super fucking cool.
When there's like 30 differentbooks, I mean even it is tied to
it in a way, they're all tiedtogether.
(53:58):
So it's like this multiversal,like epic story.
Not that you have to read themall to know it, but if you do
look for that, it's they're allgot a little string, that kind
of tie back, which that's cool.
Man, I respect the shit out ofthat, you know yeah, I'll check
it out.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
I'll check it out.
Well, I think we are probablyover time for this week.
I mean not that podcasts arereally timed, but you know what
I mean.
We we try to budget a littlebit of time.
I think we blew that out of thewater tonight.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
That's okay, that's my bad.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
I talked for a lot.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
Well, you were selling me on reading again,
which I sold you on writing, soI guess it's fair that you're
getting me back into readingagain, right?
Speaker 1 (54:40):
So what topic are we going to cover next week?
Jordan.
Speaker 3 (54:49):
So what we're?
Speaker 1 (54:49):
going to do next time is underrated anime gems.
Speaker 3 (54:50):
So this is going to be a pretty, a pretty good one,
because we need to find the newstuff, you know, these ones that
you overlook, for sure, Idefinitely can think of a few
off the top of my head.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
I'll be saving those to talk about next week
absolutely, man.
Speaker 3 (55:02):
Well, this is a good time today.
You got me back into reading, Ithink.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
Hell yeah, man that's the way it should be.
It gives you ideas.
True, absolutely.
All right.
You want to call it for thenight?
Yes, sir, all right, peace outLater.
Thanks for jumping into therealm with us today.
Be sure to follow Realm Jumperswherever you get your podcasts,
and don't forget to share yourthoughts, theories and favorite
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moments with us.
Speaker 2 (55:27):
Stay epic and keep exploring the worlds you love.
Leave us a review on yourpodcast platform and if you're
stuck on what to say, let usknow what your favorite anime is
.
See you in the next round,thank you.
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