September 20, 2025 • 36 mins
The assassination of Charlie Kirk has exposed a dangerous reality for Christians speaking in the public square. In this sobering episode, we explore what this tragedy reveals about the deteriorating state of dialogue in Western society and what it means for believers going forward.
What happens when disagreement becomes a death sentence? Charlie Kirk was known for respectfully engaging with those who opposed his views, allowing them to speak without interruption before responding to their arguments. His murder represents a chilling message to Christians everywhere: "Shut up or we'll kill you." Having spent 16 years in campus ministry doing similar work, Glenn never imagined someone would be killed simply for expressing biblical views in public spaces.
We trace how "maximal rhetoric" from all sides of the political spectrum has created an environment where opponents are portrayed not just as wrong, but as existential threats deserving elimination. When political disagreements are framed in apocalyptic terms, violence becomes the logical conclusion for unstable individuals.
The biblical prophets identified three primary reasons for God's judgment on nations: bloodshed, sexual immorality, and idol worship. A sober assessment of our current cultural landscape reveals these exact sins dominating Western societies. While God's kingdom will ultimately prevail, there's no guarantee that any particular nation will continue to enjoy His blessing after abandoning its moral foundations.
For Christians, this moment calls for greater engagement, not retreat. We must model respectful dialogue while boldly proclaiming truth, disciple the next generation to defend their faith, and work with renewed urgency in kingdom service. The window for freely sharing the gospel may be narrowing—are you prepared to use whatever time remains?
Listen now to understand the spiritual implications of this pivotal moment and how you can respond faithfully in increasingly hostile times. Let's make Heaven crowded.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're going to do a special topic today on reasoning
through the Bible, somethingthat I don't think we've ever
done, which is a current eventstopic, and there's a reason for
it.
If you've been with us verylong, you'll notice that we
never have I don't believe we'vetouched at all on anyone in the
world that's alive today.
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Very few ever dealt withcritiquing people that are alive
today, simply because our mainthrust of our ministry is
explaining the Word of God andwe've always wanted it to still
be valid 500 years from now.
And if we go and critiquepeople or speak about current
events, then those are only goodnow and those things are not
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valid very far down the road.
But today I want to make anexception, and we're going to
work here pretty much unscriptedand talk about something that's
happened that I think isimportant enough to talk about.
As we record this, it's beenabout a week since the death of
a man named Charlie Kirk.
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About a week since the death ofa man named Charlie Kirk, and
Charlie Kirk was a Christianthat started an organization and
he was really a force in thesense that he was very involved
at a very young age and heaccomplished a great deal A
Christian that was involved inmany things and he was
assassinated about a week agoagain.
As we're recording this, andtoday we wanted to talk not so
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much about his death but aboutthe implications and
applications around that and howour culture led up to that and
the way it possibly could befalling out in our nation and
around the world after that.
So I think this will haveimplications for not just our
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country but in really the entireWestern world and the globe.
I know we have a lot oflisteners in the United States,
but we also have listeners allaround the world and I think
this will play out simplybecause of the state of the
church in our day.
So, steve, before I just jumpin, any thoughts on this, before
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we just jump in, I had somethoughts that I'm just very
concerned about the state of theworld.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, and we can tell that the impact that this has
made on not only our nation butalso on across the world, as
there's been several differentservices worldwide in
remembrance of Charlie, and oneof the things as we get into
this is just to know that thereare many of the issues that are
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couched today as being political, but really they're moral
issues and they're moral issuesthat are couched today as being
political, but really they'remoral issues and they're moral
issues that Scripture talksabout.
And so, as we go through verseby verse, through the Bible,
whenever we come across thesetopics, we talk about it and we
discuss them as we go acrossthem, and people today want to
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say, oh, that's political, don'ttalk about politics, you can't
mix politics and religion.
Well, when you let thatnarrative come out and frame
moral issues as being political,then what do you do?
You then want to have thepeople that are discussing
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scriptures do what?
Slink back into the darknessand don't say anything because
you can't discuss politics andmorality.
And I think that one of thethings that Charlie did from at
least the things that I haveseen him do personally on his
videos and followed many of thevideos and debates that he had
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with people was that he did avariety of topics Some of them
were political, some of themwere moral, and on the moral
ones, he spoke about them inthat way and in that vein, that
it's a moral issue.
Now, people might not like thatIn fact, some people don't like
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that but, as we're going to talkabout here, we have to have the
dialogue in order to continuebeing able to get along as a
society.
That was one of the things thatCharlie talked about was being
able to continue to have adialogue.
So that's one of the things Ithink as we go through here,
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glenn is just to emphasize we'vegot to be able to continue to
talk with each other in order tolet each other know what their
positions are.
It doesn't necessarily mean wewalk away in agreement, but at
least we have communicated witheach other walk away in
agreement, but at least we havecommunicated with each other.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
As far as what Charlie Kirk was teaching in the
public square, I didn't agreewith everything Charlie Kirk
said.
I agreed with a lot of itbecause he was a Christian and
he approached things from thebiblical worldview, and so most
of what he said I would agreewith.
He got into endorsing politicalcandidates.
That was one of his purposesand I know here on our ministry
you're never going to hear usendorse or not endorse a
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political candidate.
That's just not what we'reabout, and I personally thought
that the cultural, moral thingsthat Charlie Kirk was teaching
was much more important.
But let me tell you why atleast the first reason why it
affected me so much when he waskilled, what Charlie Kirk would
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do and one of the things hewould do he would go out to
college campuses and have theselarge outdoor gatherings and he
would take on anybody thatwanted to question him and
anybody that disagreed with him.
He'd move him to the front ofthe line and what he would do is
talk with people with a degreeof respect.
He wasn't just arguing, but hewould.
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If you get a chance, watch hisvideos where he's interacting
with students on universitycampuses.
He would take a question andthen Charlie would set down the
microphone and listen and hewould let them speak and if he
needed a clarifying question, hewould pick up the mic and ask a
clarifying question and thenset down the microphone and he
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would listen and then he wouldrespond.
He was opinionated and he hadstrong opinions and if people
came up they weren't prepared,he'd make them look a little
foolish.
But he was treating people witha degree of respect by
listening to them and dialoguingwith them, and because someone
disagreed with his ideas andopinions, he was killed, and why
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that affected me personally.
So much is.
I spent 16 years of my lifedoing a very similar thing.
I worked with a ministry calledRatio Christi.
Matter of fact, just two, threemonths ago was when I retired
from Ratio Christi to spend fulltime doing reasoning through
the Bible, but I spent 16 yearsof my life doing what Charlie
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did.
Now I didn't draw as big acrowd because he was better at
it than I, but nevertheless wewere doing that.
We would go outside on acollege campus and set up a
table and talk to whoever walkedby about biblical issues and
moral issues, and we dealt withpeople who were angry atheists
screaming at us and crazysexually oriented people and
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people that didn't believereality exists and all kinds of
people, but I never thought thatmy life was in danger.
There was all kinds of peoplethat disagreed with the biblical
things we were putting out andwe had people lying about us.
And we had people lying aboutus and the lies never did really
bother me so much, because youkind of consider the source and
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you go on about your business.
But what shook me so much whenCharlie got killed.
He was doing the same thingsthat we were doing and they
killed him because of thecommunity out there on the
Internet were telling lies abouthim and somebody believed the
lies and they killed him to shuthim up.
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And I never thought while I wasdoing that that somebody was
going to walk up with a gun andshoot me.
And as of right now, I stillhave a fair amount of friends
that are out there on collegecampuses still doing it this
very day and because ofCharlie's death it's actually
drawn a lot of people to thosekind of ministries.
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The second part is that ourdiscussions in the public
marketplace have gotten to thepoint where people believe that
if you disagree with me, thenyou're an evil person and need
to be removed from society.
That's the way a lot of oursocieties are thinking.
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It's not just you're wrongbecause you disagree.
They believe you disagree,therefore you're evil and you
need to be silenced.
That's why Charlie was shot andI was out there doing it.
I still have friends out theredoing it, and so I just want to
say we need to tone down thingsto where we can have discussions
, like Charlie Kirk was doing,without fear of bloodshed.
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So that's the first thing and,steve, I have more.
I don't know if you have anyother comments on that, but that
was my first fear.
It was a very acute fear of myown life because I was out there
doing it and the lives of myfriends, and I really don't want
to see anybody killed simplyfor going out there speaking
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about the gospel of Jesus Christwith people that would disagree
and think that we need to besilenced.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Right, whenever you say that we need to tone it down
, you're talking about bothsides.
You're talking about therhetoric, and what we mean by
that is that we need to berational and if we're talking
with somebody, even on our ownparticular views, if they start
to get really animated about itand irritated about the topic,
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step up and say calm down.
We don't need to really get allexcited about this and calm it
down and bring it back todialogue and discussion.
And in our particular country,we vote every four years for a
national president.
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Every two years we havecongressional candidates and
senators are mixed in there.
Go to the ballot box, like wehave always thought, and turn
your vote in there.
Go out and campaign for otherpeople to vote for your
candidate, and the worst thingthat's going to happen on a
presidential basis is you'll getsomebody that doesn't agree
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with your views for a maximum ofeight years, but, as you've
seen in our society here in theUnited States, that can go for
as short as four years.
So that's what we're talkingabout.
As far as toning down therhetoric, it starts with us and
rather than us standing by andletting people get whipped up,
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we need to stand in and calmthem down, or, rather than us
just walking away from it, stepup to the plate.
If you're a Christian on eitherside, just calm down the
rhetoric and start a dialogue onboth sides whatever side you're
on and with somebody else andlet's just listen to each other,
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and you talked about therhetoric.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
I think that's part of the contributing problem.
I think it's a majorcontributing problem.
I think it's a majorcontributing problem.
But what has happened in recentyears, at least in our part of
the world, is that all of themajor political parties have
increasingly ramped up theirrhetoric to where, when there's
major elections, they describetheir opponents as what I call
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maximal rhetoric.
The opponents it's no longer mypolitical opponent is just
wrong and he's going to take thecountry in a bad direction.
That's not what they're saying.
The rhetoric is that thenation's in danger.
Society as we know it is indanger of completely
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disintegrating.
They describe their opponent asHitler, a threat to democracy.
Society as we know it is goingto fall apart.
And if we believe those thingsand somebody out there listening
to you will believe that you'respeaking literally and if you
say it long enough our existenceis in danger.
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If we think back to World WarII, there were people that tried
to assassinate Adolf Hitler,and today we look at them and
hold them up as heroes, becauseAdolf Hitler was an epitome of
evil.
And so if you call youropponent Hitler, call him a
threat to democracy, anexistential threat.
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That's another firmly usedexistential threat.
If you believe those things,then you're morally obligated to
go destroy their life and Ithink the maximal rhetoric is
contributing to the problem.
Maximal rhetoric iscontributing to the problem and
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the reason why I'm so concernedis none of the political parties
have an incentive to back downthe rhetoric.
None of the political partieshave an incentive to back down
the rhetoric simply because theywant to win and they believe
that's the only way they can win.
And the amount of death thatmost of our countries have now
really is a significant issuenowadays.
So we have around all theseelections this maximal rhetoric
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going on demonizing theopponents, and the population is
sitting there listening to that, thinking whoever this
candidate is is worse than thedevil and worse than Hitler and
somebody needs to take him out.
And we've seen that aroundCharlie.
We've seen it around politicalcandidates that people were
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saying this person is so evilthat somebody needed to take
their life.
And even after Charlie Kirk wasdead, my goodness, there's
these horrible videos of peoplesinging and dancing and laughing
.
Charlie Kirk's been dead.
They make this little rhyme andit's just.
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The degree of depravity insociety is just way, way, way,
way bad.
So that's my concern is thatthe United States and Western
world is in a very dark placeright now, in the sense that I
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really don't see a way out apartfrom the Lord.
You know I'm a student of churchhistory.
I've read the last chapter ofthe book and I know we win as
Christians and I always havehope in Christ.
And if you look through churchhistory, there's been times like
John Wesley that saved Englandfrom disintegration and civil
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war.
There's been revivals under menlike George Whitefield that
these men went out and the Lordraised them up and they caused
great revivals.
And that can happen and I praythat it does.
We should have faith inevangelism and the Lord's work.
But at the same time as we'rerecording this, we've just been
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recently going through the bookof Ezekiel and in these Old
Testament prophets, especiallyin this last study of Ezekiel
that I've done, it really drovehome to me.
You know, in these OldTestament prophets God raises up
countries and he takes themdown again.
He is in control of raising upand tearing down nations and,
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yes, god will win in the end.
But he doesn't have to do itwith the United States and he
doesn't have to do it with mycountry or your country and he
can raise up our countries ortake them down again.
He doesn't have to do it withthe values that have come out of
Western Christianity for many,many centuries.
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He can win without us.
And you look at the reasons whyin Ezekiel and Isaiah and
different places, why God givesfor taking down and pouring out
his wrath on nations.
He gives two or three keyreasons that keep getting
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mentioned over and over.
One of them is bloodshed andanother one is sexual immorality
, and we add idol worship inthere too.
But a lot of times the idolworship were centered around the
first two.
They had sex cults that werehaving sexual prostitutes around
idols and they had childsacrifice around idols.
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But bloodshed was one of thereasons why God tore down
nations.
He said you've had bloodshed,you've been violent for too long
.
Well, what do we have in theWestern world?
Well, what do we have in theWestern world?
Violence.
What do we have around thedeath of Charlie Kirk?
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We have a Christian that goesout there and respectfully
listens and dialogues with otherpeople and no more nor less
than his beliefs.
He's killed for it and we haveno indication that the
rhetoric's going to back down.
So I really feel that, if youlook at the direction that our
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countries are going, my goodness, in England today, they arrest
people for criticizing Islam.
For no more, no less than goingto an online social media post
that criticizes Islam, theybreak into your house in the
middle of the night and haul youoff to prison.
Now, that is a very difficultenvironment to share the gospel
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in if you can't criticize placesand different ideas.
So I guess, in summary for whatI talked about so far, we have
an increase in violence, not adecrease.
The violence is helped along bythe rhetoric that's involved in
all the political parties, andwe have society getting further
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away from a moral compass.
Because they've abandoned God,they're believing the political
rhetoric to the point.
Now they're assassinatingpeople for doing no more nor
less than going out onuniversity campuses.
And there's large segments ofthe population that believe that
if you disagree with me, thenyou're evil and need to be taken
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out.
And I'll add one last one tothis.
And I'll add one last one tothis, just from a practical
human standpoint, just frompractical wisdom the only way a
country can stay together iswhen most of the people in the
country have a common value or acommon belief or some kind of
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common experience, to where theyfeel like we need to keep this
country together.
Think of a sports team.
The only way a sports team'sgoing to win in the game or the
match is when they all believeand they're working together and
they have a goal in mind.
Well, if everybody in this teambelieved something different,
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then the team's going to justdisintegrate.
Same thing in a country.
The only way a country can staytogether is if most of the
people either have a commonhistory or some kind of common
value system or common things, acommon language, common
something or other, the commonexperience that's holding them
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together.
And what's happening in reallyaround the world, and especially
in the Western countries, is Ican't point to anything any idea
that 90 to 95% of the people inour country agree on.
And so why would our country,why would God keep our country
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in place when most of the peopledon't agree on anything?
There's no one thing I guess isthe way to phrase it that most
of the people agree on.
We have a huge degree ofviolence and a huge degree of
sexual immorality, the exactsame things that God tore down
nations for in the Old Testament.
And now we have people shootingpeople, people that were doing
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the same kind of ministry I wasdoing, for no more and no less
than going out there talkingabout biblical morality in the
public marketplace, and it justhas me just very worried.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
You mentioned on the UK that the person being
arrested for criticizing Islamthe complaint was that it was
offended somebody else that wasthe complaint that generally
comes in this person's post hasoffended me, which then signals
for the police to go out andarrest the person.
So it's not just Islam, youknow one, it could be anything
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that some people find offensive,even to the point that you're
praying for somebody silentlyacross the street from a
abortion clinic and the policecome up and say what are you
doing?
And if you say I'm praying, ifyou're within so much of a feat,
they will arrest you.
And I've seen the videos wherethat happens.
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They even have a statute that'seither in place or being
thought about in place inScotland, my understanding that
if you live within thatframework of a certain circle of
a abortion clinic, that youcan't even pray in your own
house, so because somebody elsefinds it offensive.
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So that's the thing.
When we get into these kind ofobscure areas of well, how do
you define what's offensive?
And that's the type of thing?
But the other areas that youmentioned bloodshed, sexual
immorality and idol worship Well, one of the areas of bloodshed
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across, not just our nation here, but across the world is
abortion.
I know people don't want totalk about that, so when we talk
about rhetoric and we talkabout agreeing on things, we
need to at least come to anagreement that abortion is
bloodshed.
Now the exceptions to it, thatis a separate discussion, but in
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order to start the conversation, we at least have to agree that
it's bloodshed and it'ssomething that shouldn't be done
.
It's taking the life, and untilwe come to that point, if we
can't even agree that it'staking a life, then we get to
this point where people getreally ramped up on it for
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whatever reason that they mighthave, and as Christians we need
to discuss it.
We need to talk about it, notso much for our past of maybe
the decisions that we had madein our past and what happened,
but for the future generations,to let them know this is
something that's not supposed tohappen, one of the things that
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the idol worship that were donewith the people that worship the
God of Molech.
They would heat up this irongod that they had made with
outstretched arms.
They would heat it up and thenthey would place the babies
alive on the arms outstretchedarms of the idol.
That was a horrific childsacrifice and whenever we're
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talking about abortion.
It's a horrific thing and it'ssomething that people don't want
to look at and deal with, butwe need to deal with it and we
need to tell the other peopleabout it.
We need to, at least from aChristian standpoint, talk about
bloodshed.
As Glenn mentioned before, thatwas one of the items that God
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judged nations on.
It's the same as in the past.
It's the same as it is todayand it'll be the same in the
future.
In the past is the same as itis today and it'll be the same
in the future.
So those are areas, asChristians, that we need to
speak up on as to our society,to get them back to an area
where they at least know from amoral standpoint not a political
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standpoint, but from a moralstandpoint that something like
that is immoral and it needs tonot happen again.
So that's just one of the areasand this is the impact of this
assassination of Charlie Kirkhas made where they are in their
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life, whether or not they havementioned things to other people
in the past, or whether they'vejust sat by and let our society
progress to the point where itis today.
And because Christians have satback and let society progress
without their influence onsociety.
This is where we've gotten to,and it's gotten so bad that we
have to have graphic things likegraphic pictures in order to
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get people back to reality, andwe most certainly need to have
dialogue with other people tolet them know this is not the
right thing to do.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
You talked about there at the end, steve, about
Christians sitting back andallowing things to happen.
I was short story about me.
I was saved for 40 somethingyears ago and the church I was
in when I first got saved wasvery socially active.
They had a social issuescommittee that would bring in
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people from the congregation andtalk about things that were
going on in society and the townwe lived in and how we could
help and turn it in a biblicalway.
They would educate thecongregation about social issues
.
They had one of the elders ofthe church that was responsible
for that committee.
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That church also had a letterwriting committee that would get
together once a month or so andwrite letters to our elected
officials and let them knowbiblical positions on things
that might be coming up in thegovernment.
And that was the first churchI'd ever seen.
I thought all churches do thosekinds of things and it wasn't
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until years later I figured outthat was the exception, that
really most of WesternChristianity as far as
influencing the culture isasleep, and we've been asleep
for a very long time and theenemy has been at work, and so
now we are at a point where wereally don't know how much
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longer we'll be able to talkabout Jesus Christ in the public
square.
And this is really kind of themotivation for why I wanted to
do this in the first place,really kind of the motivation
for why I wanted to do this inthe first place.
We could, in the years thatI've been active, we could talk
about Jesus Christ in the publicsquare.
We could talk about thebiblical morality in the public
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square and people would disagree.
And people would disagree,sometimes vehemently and
passionately.
I've been called names andscreamed at and things like that
.
But I mean it kind of comeswith the territory.
It doesn't really bother youthat people, that non-believers,
don't believe right, that'sjust kind of you know you expect
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that it doesn't surprise youwhen you have very non-Christian
people giving verynon-Christian responses.
They do the same things thathappened in the New Testament.
What's bothering me now is Ithink we've taken a step further
.
It's not just that people aredisagreeing with us, it's they
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think we are now evil and needto be silenced.
We are now evil and need to besilenced.
And to me, in my mind anyway,charlie Kirk's assassination was
the first symbol of that,simply because I did that
university ministry for so long.
The message is pretty clearfrom our enemies Shut up or
we'll kill you.
That's the message, becausethey killed Charlie because of
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his ideas.
And if the pattern of societal,societal degeneration continues
, then they're going to be moreand more Christians that are
just not going to be allowed togo out into the public square
and talk about Christ.
If you're either going to makea law against it, like has
happened in many countries, orthey're going to be very violent
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against it, like has happenedin many countries, or they're
going to be very violent.
And I'm not a prophet.
I've been accused of beingnegative before.
But again, as a Bible student,I know there are some times when
there's been revivals andthere's been changes, and I pray
that would happen.
I pray that God would lift up aGeorge Whitefield or a John
Wesley and there would berevival.
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That could have been CharlieAlso.
I'm a Bible teacher and I knowwe're going to win.
I read the last chapter.
But God judges nations forviolence and sexual immorality
and idol worship, and oursocieties are rampant with all
of those.
So I guess if I were to leaveyou with an idea, the believers
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in the crowd, the idea that Iwould leave you with is we don't
know how much longer we haveCould be a long time, I could be
wrong and society could turnaround after this assassination
and it all get better and peoplecome back to church and there's
a big revival and our societyturns around.
It also could be that God'sgoing to take our lamp off of
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the shelf and our countries willbe judged in God's wrath and we
will degenerate into violenceand bloodshed and I pray that
doesn't happen, but I have noconfidence that it won't.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
So I just have a couple of last parting things to
say.
Is that one a argument withpeople?
They say don't legislate yourmorality on me or don't push
your morality on me.
Murder and manslaughter are notpolitical things, those are
moral things, and we have lawsagainst murder and manslaughter.
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So we have many other laws thathave to deal with morality that
don't have anything to do withpolitics.
So just keep that in mind.
A second area that people willsay is that I don't want to push
my religion off on my childrenand so therefore I'm going to
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let them make up their own mind.
Therefore, I'm going to letthem make up their own mind
We've mentioned this in many ofour sessions as we go through
the scripture is that, asChristians, we have the duty to
pass down our Christianity toour children, to tell them why
it's true, why we are Christians, why we are believers in Jesus
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Christ, and to go through thescriptures with them and pass
that down to our next generation, because you can bet your
bottom dollar that as soon asthey leave your house and they
go to a school of highereducation or go out in the world
itself, there are going to beother people who are not
Christians, that are very mostcertainly going to be pushing
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their ideology off on them.
And if we haven't done anythingin our homes to prepare our
children to go out into theworld and to go out of those
schools of higher education tolet them know why they're a
Christian, if they are, if theybecome a believer, and to be
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able to strengthen their faithso that when they encounter
these different ideas, they knowhow to think about them and
know how to counter them, thenwe're not doing service to our
children.
So keep that in mind.
And then the last thing that Iwant to mention is that we
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mentioned here go watch thedebates and the talks and the
speeches that Charlie Kirk had.
You can go to his social sites,charlie Kirk.
You can go to the TPUSA sites.
Watch them all within theircontext.
Some of them are two hours longor so.
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Be aware that when somebodypasses you a three-minute or
less clip from a two-hour debate, this goes for anybody or any
situation, not just Charlie Kirk, and it goes for both sides.
They are framing an idea thatthey want to get across to you
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and it's incumbent upon you togo check out that clip to see if
it's in the right context andif it's the true and accurate as
to what the person sending itout or forwarding it is trying
to convey.
And that's for both sides.
Critical thinking isn't beingtaught in our schools today.
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Teach it to your kids, get themto know how they can take these
three minute and less videosthat are being set out and think
about them critically and gofind the truth and go find the
context again from both sides.
So it's not just opening thedebate, it's not just opening
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both sides to dialogue, but it'salso teaching both sides to go
to the full context, just likewhat we do with the Word of God
by by going verse by versethrough Scripture and we take
the whole context of Scriptureitself as we go through and we
teach it.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
So what I think we'll leave you with is a charge, and
the charge is this If you'renot a Christian, then you really
don't have any hope and youneed to embrace the Lord Jesus
Christ, and you can hear moreabout him on our program or pick
up a Bible and read it.
If you are a Christian and youhaven't been to church lately,
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then go to church, becausethat's the place where you're
going to get some comfort andthe ability to do something
about it.
If you're a Christian, you'replugged into a good church and
you really haven't been asactive.
You're really the ones thatwe're speaking to today.
We don't know how much longer wewill have.
Could be a long time, could bea very short time, we don't know
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.
We need to work while it is day.
The Bible says so.
If you're not active, doingkingdom work of some sort,
there's a place for everybodydoing work to help the local
church and to further the causeof Jesus Christ.
Go to your pastor and tell themhey, I need some place to plug
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in.
I'm feeling a pull to be moreactive in the church.
I need a ministry.
I guarantee you your pastorwill have some place for you to
plug in, and there's otherministries as well.
But get into the Word of Godand get active, because we don't
know how much time we have left.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Thank you very much for taking the time out to
listen to us and, as always,when we sign off, may the Lord
bless you.
We're going to do a special topic today on reasoning
through the Bible, somethingthat I don't think we've ever
done, which is a current eventstopic, and there's a reason for
it.
If you've been with us verylong, you'll notice that we
never have I don't believe we'vetouched at all on anyone in the
world that's alive today.
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Very few ever dealt withcritiquing people that are alive
today, simply because our mainthrust of our ministry is
explaining the Word of God andwe've always wanted it to still
be valid 500 years from now.
And if we go and critiquepeople or speak about current
events, then those are only goodnow and those things are not
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valid very far down the road.
But today I want to make anexception, and we're going to
work here pretty much unscriptedand talk about something that's
happened that I think isimportant enough to talk about.
As we record this, it's beenabout a week since the death of
a man named Charlie Kirk.
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About a week since the death ofa man named Charlie Kirk, and
Charlie Kirk was a Christianthat started an organization and
he was really a force in thesense that he was very involved
at a very young age and heaccomplished a great deal A
Christian that was involved inmany things and he was
assassinated about a week agoagain.
As we're recording this, andtoday we wanted to talk not so
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much about his death but aboutthe implications and
applications around that and howour culture led up to that and
the way it possibly could befalling out in our nation and
around the world after that.
So I think this will haveimplications for not just our
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country but in really the entireWestern world and the globe.
I know we have a lot oflisteners in the United States,
but we also have listeners allaround the world and I think
this will play out simplybecause of the state of the
church in our day.
So, steve, before I just jumpin, any thoughts on this, before
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we just jump in, I had somethoughts that I'm just very
concerned about the state of theworld.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, and we can tell that the impact that this has
made on not only our nation butalso on across the world, as
there's been several differentservices worldwide in
remembrance of Charlie, and oneof the things as we get into
this is just to know that thereare many of the issues that are
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couched today as being political, but really they're moral
issues and they're moral issuesthat are couched today as being
political, but really they'remoral issues and they're moral
issues that Scripture talksabout.
And so, as we go through verseby verse, through the Bible,
whenever we come across thesetopics, we talk about it and we
discuss them as we go acrossthem, and people today want to
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say, oh, that's political, don'ttalk about politics, you can't
mix politics and religion.
Well, when you let thatnarrative come out and frame
moral issues as being political,then what do you do?
You then want to have thepeople that are discussing
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scriptures do what?
Slink back into the darknessand don't say anything because
you can't discuss politics andmorality.
And I think that one of thethings that Charlie did from at
least the things that I haveseen him do personally on his
videos and followed many of thevideos and debates that he had
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with people was that he did avariety of topics Some of them
were political, some of themwere moral, and on the moral
ones, he spoke about them inthat way and in that vein, that
it's a moral issue.
Now, people might not like thatIn fact, some people don't like
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that but, as we're going to talkabout here, we have to have the
dialogue in order to continuebeing able to get along as a
society.
That was one of the things thatCharlie talked about was being
able to continue to have adialogue.
So that's one of the things Ithink as we go through here,
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glenn is just to emphasize we'vegot to be able to continue to
talk with each other in order tolet each other know what their
positions are.
It doesn't necessarily mean wewalk away in agreement, but at
least we have communicated witheach other walk away in
agreement, but at least we havecommunicated with each other.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
As far as what Charlie Kirk was teaching in the
public square, I didn't agreewith everything Charlie Kirk
said.
I agreed with a lot of itbecause he was a Christian and
he approached things from thebiblical worldview, and so most
of what he said I would agreewith.
He got into endorsing politicalcandidates.
That was one of his purposesand I know here on our ministry
you're never going to hear usendorse or not endorse a
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political candidate.
That's just not what we'reabout, and I personally thought
that the cultural, moral thingsthat Charlie Kirk was teaching
was much more important.
But let me tell you why atleast the first reason why it
affected me so much when he waskilled, what Charlie Kirk would
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do and one of the things hewould do he would go out to
college campuses and have theselarge outdoor gatherings and he
would take on anybody thatwanted to question him and
anybody that disagreed with him.
He'd move him to the front ofthe line and what he would do is
talk with people with a degreeof respect.
He wasn't just arguing, but hewould.
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If you get a chance, watch hisvideos where he's interacting
with students on universitycampuses.
He would take a question andthen Charlie would set down the
microphone and listen and hewould let them speak and if he
needed a clarifying question, hewould pick up the mic and ask a
clarifying question and thenset down the microphone and he
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would listen and then he wouldrespond.
He was opinionated and he hadstrong opinions and if people
came up they weren't prepared,he'd make them look a little
foolish.
But he was treating people witha degree of respect by
listening to them and dialoguingwith them, and because someone
disagreed with his ideas andopinions, he was killed, and why
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that affected me personally.
So much is.
I spent 16 years of my lifedoing a very similar thing.
I worked with a ministry calledRatio Christi.
Matter of fact, just two, threemonths ago was when I retired
from Ratio Christi to spend fulltime doing reasoning through
the Bible, but I spent 16 yearsof my life doing what Charlie
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did.
Now I didn't draw as big acrowd because he was better at
it than I, but nevertheless wewere doing that.
We would go outside on acollege campus and set up a
table and talk to whoever walkedby about biblical issues and
moral issues, and we dealt withpeople who were angry atheists
screaming at us and crazysexually oriented people and
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people that didn't believereality exists and all kinds of
people, but I never thought thatmy life was in danger.
There was all kinds of peoplethat disagreed with the biblical
things we were putting out andwe had people lying about us.
And we had people lying aboutus and the lies never did really
bother me so much, because youkind of consider the source and
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you go on about your business.
But what shook me so much whenCharlie got killed.
He was doing the same thingsthat we were doing and they
killed him because of thecommunity out there on the
Internet were telling lies abouthim and somebody believed the
lies and they killed him to shuthim up.
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And I never thought while I wasdoing that that somebody was
going to walk up with a gun andshoot me.
And as of right now, I stillhave a fair amount of friends
that are out there on collegecampuses still doing it this
very day and because ofCharlie's death it's actually
drawn a lot of people to thosekind of ministries.
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The second part is that ourdiscussions in the public
marketplace have gotten to thepoint where people believe that
if you disagree with me, thenyou're an evil person and need
to be removed from society.
That's the way a lot of oursocieties are thinking.
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It's not just you're wrongbecause you disagree.
They believe you disagree,therefore you're evil and you
need to be silenced.
That's why Charlie was shot andI was out there doing it.
I still have friends out theredoing it, and so I just want to
say we need to tone down thingsto where we can have discussions
, like Charlie Kirk was doing,without fear of bloodshed.
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So that's the first thing and,steve, I have more.
I don't know if you have anyother comments on that, but that
was my first fear.
It was a very acute fear of myown life because I was out there
doing it and the lives of myfriends, and I really don't want
to see anybody killed simplyfor going out there speaking
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about the gospel of Jesus Christwith people that would disagree
and think that we need to besilenced.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Right, whenever you say that we need to tone it down
, you're talking about bothsides.
You're talking about therhetoric, and what we mean by
that is that we need to berational and if we're talking
with somebody, even on our ownparticular views, if they start
to get really animated about itand irritated about the topic,
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step up and say calm down.
We don't need to really get allexcited about this and calm it
down and bring it back todialogue and discussion.
And in our particular country,we vote every four years for a
national president.
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Every two years we havecongressional candidates and
senators are mixed in there.
Go to the ballot box, like wehave always thought, and turn
your vote in there.
Go out and campaign for otherpeople to vote for your
candidate, and the worst thingthat's going to happen on a
presidential basis is you'll getsomebody that doesn't agree
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with your views for a maximum ofeight years, but, as you've
seen in our society here in theUnited States, that can go for
as short as four years.
So that's what we're talkingabout.
As far as toning down therhetoric, it starts with us and
rather than us standing by andletting people get whipped up,
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we need to stand in and calmthem down, or, rather than us
just walking away from it, stepup to the plate.
If you're a Christian on eitherside, just calm down the
rhetoric and start a dialogue onboth sides whatever side you're
on and with somebody else andlet's just listen to each other,
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and you talked about therhetoric.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
I think that's part of the contributing problem.
I think it's a majorcontributing problem.
I think it's a majorcontributing problem.
But what has happened in recentyears, at least in our part of
the world, is that all of themajor political parties have
increasingly ramped up theirrhetoric to where, when there's
major elections, they describetheir opponents as what I call
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maximal rhetoric.
The opponents it's no longer mypolitical opponent is just
wrong and he's going to take thecountry in a bad direction.
That's not what they're saying.
The rhetoric is that thenation's in danger.
Society as we know it is indanger of completely
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disintegrating.
They describe their opponent asHitler, a threat to democracy.
Society as we know it is goingto fall apart.
And if we believe those thingsand somebody out there listening
to you will believe that you'respeaking literally and if you
say it long enough our existenceis in danger.
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If we think back to World WarII, there were people that tried
to assassinate Adolf Hitler,and today we look at them and
hold them up as heroes, becauseAdolf Hitler was an epitome of
evil.
And so if you call youropponent Hitler, call him a
threat to democracy, anexistential threat.
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That's another firmly usedexistential threat.
If you believe those things,then you're morally obligated to
go destroy their life and Ithink the maximal rhetoric is
contributing to the problem.
Maximal rhetoric iscontributing to the problem and
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the reason why I'm so concernedis none of the political parties
have an incentive to back downthe rhetoric.
None of the political partieshave an incentive to back down
the rhetoric simply because theywant to win and they believe
that's the only way they can win.
And the amount of death thatmost of our countries have now
really is a significant issuenowadays.
So we have around all theseelections this maximal rhetoric
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going on demonizing theopponents, and the population is
sitting there listening to that, thinking whoever this
candidate is is worse than thedevil and worse than Hitler and
somebody needs to take him out.
And we've seen that aroundCharlie.
We've seen it around politicalcandidates that people were
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saying this person is so evilthat somebody needed to take
their life.
And even after Charlie Kirk wasdead, my goodness, there's
these horrible videos of peoplesinging and dancing and laughing
.
Charlie Kirk's been dead.
They make this little rhyme andit's just.
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The degree of depravity insociety is just way, way, way,
way bad.
So that's my concern is thatthe United States and Western
world is in a very dark placeright now, in the sense that I
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really don't see a way out apartfrom the Lord.
You know I'm a student of churchhistory.
I've read the last chapter ofthe book and I know we win as
Christians and I always havehope in Christ.
And if you look through churchhistory, there's been times like
John Wesley that saved Englandfrom disintegration and civil
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war.
There's been revivals under menlike George Whitefield that
these men went out and the Lordraised them up and they caused
great revivals.
And that can happen and I praythat it does.
We should have faith inevangelism and the Lord's work.
But at the same time as we'rerecording this, we've just been
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recently going through the bookof Ezekiel and in these Old
Testament prophets, especiallyin this last study of Ezekiel
that I've done, it really drovehome to me.
You know, in these OldTestament prophets God raises up
countries and he takes themdown again.
He is in control of raising upand tearing down nations and,
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yes, god will win in the end.
But he doesn't have to do itwith the United States and he
doesn't have to do it with mycountry or your country and he
can raise up our countries ortake them down again.
He doesn't have to do it withthe values that have come out of
Western Christianity for many,many centuries.
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He can win without us.
And you look at the reasons whyin Ezekiel and Isaiah and
different places, why God givesfor taking down and pouring out
his wrath on nations.
He gives two or three keyreasons that keep getting
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mentioned over and over.
One of them is bloodshed andanother one is sexual immorality
, and we add idol worship inthere too.
But a lot of times the idolworship were centered around the
first two.
They had sex cults that werehaving sexual prostitutes around
idols and they had childsacrifice around idols.
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But bloodshed was one of thereasons why God tore down
nations.
He said you've had bloodshed,you've been violent for too long
.
Well, what do we have in theWestern world?
Well, what do we have in theWestern world?
Violence.
What do we have around thedeath of Charlie Kirk?
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We have a Christian that goesout there and respectfully
listens and dialogues with otherpeople and no more nor less
than his beliefs.
He's killed for it and we haveno indication that the
rhetoric's going to back down.
So I really feel that, if youlook at the direction that our
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countries are going, my goodness, in England today, they arrest
people for criticizing Islam.
For no more, no less than goingto an online social media post
that criticizes Islam, theybreak into your house in the
middle of the night and haul youoff to prison.
Now, that is a very difficultenvironment to share the gospel
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in if you can't criticize placesand different ideas.
So I guess, in summary for whatI talked about so far, we have
an increase in violence, not adecrease.
The violence is helped along bythe rhetoric that's involved in
all the political parties, andwe have society getting further
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away from a moral compass.
Because they've abandoned God,they're believing the political
rhetoric to the point.
Now they're assassinatingpeople for doing no more nor
less than going out onuniversity campuses.
And there's large segments ofthe population that believe that
if you disagree with me, thenyou're evil and need to be taken
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out.
And I'll add one last one tothis.
And I'll add one last one tothis, just from a practical
human standpoint, just frompractical wisdom the only way a
country can stay together iswhen most of the people in the
country have a common value or acommon belief or some kind of
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common experience, to where theyfeel like we need to keep this
country together.
Think of a sports team.
The only way a sports team'sgoing to win in the game or the
match is when they all believeand they're working together and
they have a goal in mind.
Well, if everybody in this teambelieved something different,
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then the team's going to justdisintegrate.
Same thing in a country.
The only way a country can staytogether is if most of the
people either have a commonhistory or some kind of common
value system or common things, acommon language, common
something or other, the commonexperience that's holding them
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together.
And what's happening in reallyaround the world, and especially
in the Western countries, is Ican't point to anything any idea
that 90 to 95% of the people inour country agree on.
And so why would our country,why would God keep our country
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in place when most of the peopledon't agree on anything?
There's no one thing I guess isthe way to phrase it that most
of the people agree on.
We have a huge degree ofviolence and a huge degree of
sexual immorality, the exactsame things that God tore down
nations for in the Old Testament.
And now we have people shootingpeople, people that were doing
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the same kind of ministry I wasdoing, for no more and no less
than going out there talkingabout biblical morality in the
public marketplace, and it justhas me just very worried.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
You mentioned on the UK that the person being
arrested for criticizing Islamthe complaint was that it was
offended somebody else that wasthe complaint that generally
comes in this person's post hasoffended me, which then signals
for the police to go out andarrest the person.
So it's not just Islam, youknow one, it could be anything
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that some people find offensive,even to the point that you're
praying for somebody silentlyacross the street from a
abortion clinic and the policecome up and say what are you
doing?
And if you say I'm praying, ifyou're within so much of a feat,
they will arrest you.
And I've seen the videos wherethat happens.
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They even have a statute that'seither in place or being
thought about in place inScotland, my understanding that
if you live within thatframework of a certain circle of
a abortion clinic, that youcan't even pray in your own
house, so because somebody elsefinds it offensive.
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So that's the thing.
When we get into these kind ofobscure areas of well, how do
you define what's offensive?
And that's the type of thing?
But the other areas that youmentioned bloodshed, sexual
immorality and idol worship Well, one of the areas of bloodshed
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across, not just our nation here, but across the world is
abortion.
I know people don't want totalk about that, so when we talk
about rhetoric and we talkabout agreeing on things, we
need to at least come to anagreement that abortion is
bloodshed.
Now the exceptions to it, thatis a separate discussion, but in
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order to start the conversation, we at least have to agree that
it's bloodshed and it'ssomething that shouldn't be done
.
It's taking the life, and untilwe come to that point, if we
can't even agree that it'staking a life, then we get to
this point where people getreally ramped up on it for
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whatever reason that they mighthave, and as Christians we need
to discuss it.
We need to talk about it, notso much for our past of maybe
the decisions that we had madein our past and what happened,
but for the future generations,to let them know this is
something that's not supposed tohappen, one of the things that
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the idol worship that were donewith the people that worship the
God of Molech.
They would heat up this irongod that they had made with
outstretched arms.
They would heat it up and thenthey would place the babies
alive on the arms outstretchedarms of the idol.
That was a horrific childsacrifice and whenever we're
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talking about abortion.
It's a horrific thing and it'ssomething that people don't want
to look at and deal with, butwe need to deal with it and we
need to tell the other peopleabout it.
We need to, at least from aChristian standpoint, talk about
bloodshed.
As Glenn mentioned before, thatwas one of the items that God
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judged nations on.
It's the same as in the past.
It's the same as it is todayand it'll be the same in the
future.
In the past is the same as itis today and it'll be the same
in the future.
So those are areas, asChristians, that we need to
speak up on as to our society,to get them back to an area
where they at least know from amoral standpoint not a political
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standpoint, but from a moralstandpoint that something like
that is immoral and it needs tonot happen again.
So that's just one of the areasand this is the impact of this
assassination of Charlie Kirkhas made where they are in their
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life, whether or not they havementioned things to other people
in the past, or whether they'vejust sat by and let our society
progress to the point where itis today.
And because Christians have satback and let society progress
without their influence onsociety.
This is where we've gotten to,and it's gotten so bad that we
have to have graphic things likegraphic pictures in order to
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get people back to reality, andwe most certainly need to have
dialogue with other people tolet them know this is not the
right thing to do.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
You talked about there at the end, steve, about
Christians sitting back andallowing things to happen.
I was short story about me.
I was saved for 40 somethingyears ago and the church I was
in when I first got saved wasvery socially active.
They had a social issuescommittee that would bring in
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people from the congregation andtalk about things that were
going on in society and the townwe lived in and how we could
help and turn it in a biblicalway.
They would educate thecongregation about social issues
.
They had one of the elders ofthe church that was responsible
for that committee.
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That church also had a letterwriting committee that would get
together once a month or so andwrite letters to our elected
officials and let them knowbiblical positions on things
that might be coming up in thegovernment.
And that was the first churchI'd ever seen.
I thought all churches do thosekinds of things and it wasn't
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until years later I figured outthat was the exception, that
really most of WesternChristianity as far as
influencing the culture isasleep, and we've been asleep
for a very long time and theenemy has been at work, and so
now we are at a point where wereally don't know how much
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longer we'll be able to talkabout Jesus Christ in the public
square.
And this is really kind of themotivation for why I wanted to
do this in the first place,really kind of the motivation
for why I wanted to do this inthe first place.
We could, in the years thatI've been active, we could talk
about Jesus Christ in the publicsquare.
We could talk about thebiblical morality in the public
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square and people would disagree.
And people would disagree,sometimes vehemently and
passionately.
I've been called names andscreamed at and things like that
.
But I mean it kind of comeswith the territory.
It doesn't really bother youthat people, that non-believers,
don't believe right, that'sjust kind of you know you expect
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that it doesn't surprise youwhen you have very non-Christian
people giving verynon-Christian responses.
They do the same things thathappened in the New Testament.
What's bothering me now is Ithink we've taken a step further
.
It's not just that people aredisagreeing with us, it's they
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think we are now evil and needto be silenced.
We are now evil and need to besilenced.
And to me, in my mind anyway,charlie Kirk's assassination was
the first symbol of that,simply because I did that
university ministry for so long.
The message is pretty clearfrom our enemies Shut up or
we'll kill you.
That's the message, becausethey killed Charlie because of
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his ideas.
And if the pattern of societal,societal degeneration continues
, then they're going to be moreand more Christians that are
just not going to be allowed togo out into the public square
and talk about Christ.
If you're either going to makea law against it, like has
happened in many countries, orthey're going to be very violent
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against it, like has happenedin many countries, or they're
going to be very violent.
And I'm not a prophet.
I've been accused of beingnegative before.
But again, as a Bible student,I know there are some times when
there's been revivals andthere's been changes, and I pray
that would happen.
I pray that God would lift up aGeorge Whitefield or a John
Wesley and there would berevival.
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That could have been CharlieAlso.
I'm a Bible teacher and I knowwe're going to win.
I read the last chapter.
But God judges nations forviolence and sexual immorality
and idol worship, and oursocieties are rampant with all
of those.
So I guess if I were to leaveyou with an idea, the believers
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in the crowd, the idea that Iwould leave you with is we don't
know how much longer we haveCould be a long time, I could be
wrong and society could turnaround after this assassination
and it all get better and peoplecome back to church and there's
a big revival and our societyturns around.
It also could be that God'sgoing to take our lamp off of
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the shelf and our countries willbe judged in God's wrath and we
will degenerate into violenceand bloodshed and I pray that
doesn't happen, but I have noconfidence that it won't.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
So I just have a couple of last parting things to
say.
Is that one a argument withpeople?
They say don't legislate yourmorality on me or don't push
your morality on me.
Murder and manslaughter are notpolitical things, those are
moral things, and we have lawsagainst murder and manslaughter.
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So we have many other laws thathave to deal with morality that
don't have anything to do withpolitics.
So just keep that in mind.
A second area that people willsay is that I don't want to push
my religion off on my childrenand so therefore I'm going to
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let them make up their own mind.
Therefore, I'm going to letthem make up their own mind
We've mentioned this in many ofour sessions as we go through
the scripture is that, asChristians, we have the duty to
pass down our Christianity toour children, to tell them why
it's true, why we are Christians, why we are believers in Jesus
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Christ, and to go through thescriptures with them and pass
that down to our next generation, because you can bet your
bottom dollar that as soon asthey leave your house and they
go to a school of highereducation or go out in the world
itself, there are going to beother people who are not
Christians, that are very mostcertainly going to be pushing
(32:21):
their ideology off on them.
And if we haven't done anythingin our homes to prepare our
children to go out into theworld and to go out of those
schools of higher education tolet them know why they're a
Christian, if they are, if theybecome a believer, and to be
(32:41):
able to strengthen their faithso that when they encounter
these different ideas, they knowhow to think about them and
know how to counter them, thenwe're not doing service to our
children.
So keep that in mind.
And then the last thing that Iwant to mention is that we
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mentioned here go watch thedebates and the talks and the
speeches that Charlie Kirk had.
You can go to his social sites,charlie Kirk.
You can go to the TPUSA sites.
Watch them all within theircontext.
Some of them are two hours longor so.
(33:24):
Be aware that when somebodypasses you a three-minute or
less clip from a two-hour debate, this goes for anybody or any
situation, not just Charlie Kirk, and it goes for both sides.
They are framing an idea thatthey want to get across to you
(33:46):
and it's incumbent upon you togo check out that clip to see if
it's in the right context andif it's the true and accurate as
to what the person sending itout or forwarding it is trying
to convey.
And that's for both sides.
Critical thinking isn't beingtaught in our schools today.
(34:06):
Teach it to your kids, get themto know how they can take these
three minute and less videosthat are being set out and think
about them critically and gofind the truth and go find the
context again from both sides.
So it's not just opening thedebate, it's not just opening
(34:27):
both sides to dialogue, but it'salso teaching both sides to go
to the full context, just likewhat we do with the Word of God
by by going verse by versethrough Scripture and we take
the whole context of Scriptureitself as we go through and we
teach it.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
So what I think we'll leave you with is a charge, and
the charge is this If you'renot a Christian, then you really
don't have any hope and youneed to embrace the Lord Jesus
Christ, and you can hear moreabout him on our program or pick
up a Bible and read it.
If you are a Christian and youhaven't been to church lately,
(35:07):
then go to church, becausethat's the place where you're
going to get some comfort andthe ability to do something
about it.
If you're a Christian, you'replugged into a good church and
you really haven't been asactive.
You're really the ones thatwe're speaking to today.
We don't know how much longer wewill have.
Could be a long time, could bea very short time, we don't know
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.
We need to work while it is day.
The Bible says so.
If you're not active, doingkingdom work of some sort,
there's a place for everybodydoing work to help the local
church and to further the causeof Jesus Christ.
Go to your pastor and tell themhey, I need some place to plug
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in.
I'm feeling a pull to be moreactive in the church.
I need a ministry.
I guarantee you your pastorwill have some place for you to
plug in, and there's otherministries as well.
But get into the Word of Godand get active, because we don't
know how much time we have left.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Thank you very much for taking the time out to
listen to us and, as always,when we sign off, may the Lord
bless you.
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