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Speaker 1 (00:20):
We have in the Bible
times where people would go and
ask God questions, but he doesnot give them the answer that
they would like to have heard.
That's what we're going to seetoday In Ezekiel, chapter 20,.
The leaders of Israel went tothe prophet Ezekiel asking for a
word from God.
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God basically says I'm notgoing to answer your question.
What I will do is remind you ofall of the good things I did
for you.
I'm going to remind you of allof the things that you responded
and disobeyed.
That's what we're going to seetoday.
We're going to again see waveafter wave of the goodness of
God and the disobedience andevilness of people.
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That is one of the themes, notonly in Ezekiel but throughout
the Bible, is that we are weakand fallible and we disobey God,
and God is good over and overagain For us in the church age,
we know the truth in the sensethat we can fall at Jesus' feet
and get forgiveness.
Know the truth in the sensethat we can fall at Jesus' feet
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and get forgiveness.
The people of Israel are ademonstration for us in how
people that don't fall at thefeet of the Lord God and ask
forgiveness what happens to themIf you have your Bibles open to
the book of Ezekiel, chapter 20, and we're going to read,
starting in verse 9.
And as we read this, I'm goingto ask the audience to think of
two things.
There's one list of things inthis that is all of the things
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that God did for Israel.
That was good.
He lists off many things.
He also lists off things thatIsrael did in response, which
was all disobedience.
Think of those two things andwe'll discuss them afterwards.
But, steve, can you start atEzekiel 20, verse 9, and read
down through verse 29?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
But I acted for the
sake of my name, that it should
not be profaned in the sight ofthe nations among whom they
lived, in whose sight I mademyself known to them by bringing
them out of the land of Egypt.
I took them out of the land ofEgypt and brought them into the
wilderness.
I gave them my statutes andinformed them of my ordinances,
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by which if a man observes them,he will live.
Also, I gave them my Sabbaths,to be a sign between me and them
that they might know that I amthe Lord who sanctifies them.
But the house of Israelrebelled against me in the
wilderness.
They did not walk in mystatutes and they rejected my
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ordinances, by which if a manobserves them he will live, and
my Sabbaths they greatlyprofaned.
Then I resolved to pour out mywrath on them in the wilderness,
to annihilate them.
But I acted for the sake of myname, that it should not be
profaned in the sight of thenations before whose sight I had
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brought them out.
Also, I swore to them in thewilderness that I would not
bring them into the land which Ihad given them, flowing with
milk and honey, which is theglory of all lands, because they
rejected my ordinances and asfor my statutes, they did not
walk in them.
They even profaned my Sabbaths,for their heart continually
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went after their idols.
Yet my eye spared them ratherthan destroying them, and I did
not cause their annihilation inthe wilderness.
I said to their children in thewilderness Do not walk in the
statutes of your fathers or keeptheir ordinances, or defile
yourselves with their idols.
I am the Lord, your God.
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Walk in my statutes and keep myordinances and observe them.
Sanctify my Sabbaths, and theyshall be a sign between me and
you that you may know that I amthe Lord, your God.
But the children rebelledagainst me.
They did not walk in mystatutes, nor were they careful
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to observe my ordinances, bywhich, if a man observes them,
he will live.
They profaned my Sabbaths.
So I resolved to pour out mywrath on them, to accomplish my
anger against them in thewilderness.
But I withdrew my hand andacted for the sake of my name,
that it should not be profanedin the sight of the nations in
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whose sight I had brought themout.
Also, I swore to them in thewilderness that I would scatter
them among the nations anddisperse them among the lands
because they had not observed myordinances, but had rejected my
statutes and had profaned mySabbaths, and their eyes were on
the idols of their fathers.
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I also gave them statutes thatwere not good and ordinances by
which they could not live, and Ipronounced them unclean because
of their gifts, in that theycaused all their firstborn to
pass through the fire so that Imight make them desolate, in
order that they might know thatI am the Lord.
Therefore, son of man, speak tothe house of Israel and say to
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them Thus says the Lord God.
Yet in this your fathers haveblasphemed me by acting
treacherously against me.
When I had brought them intothe land which I had swore to
give them.
Then they saw every high hilland every leafy tree, and they
offered there their sacrifices,and there they presented the
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provocation of their offering.
There also they made theirsoothing aroma, and there they
poured out their drink offerings.
Then I said to them what is thehigh place to which you go?
So its name is called Bama tothis day.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
In that section God
went to great lengths to
describe all of the good thingshe did for them.
He also went to great lengthsto describe how Israel responded
to each of those good things.
If I were to make a list ofagain all the things in there,
first of all, that God did thatwas good, where he provided for
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Israel.
He says in there that theybrought them out of Egypt to a
land flowing with milk and honey.
He mentions that a couple oftimes verse 6 and verse 28.
And, steve, that land there wasindeed flowing with milk and
honey.
It was a very prosperous landwas it not?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
It was prosperous.
In fact, it was so prosperouswhen they first went over there
and Moses sent out 12 spies thatthere were these huge grapes
clusters that had to be carriedon poles between two men.
That was just an example.
Of course, they rejected thatand they had that story of them
not going into the land at thattime.
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But yes, it was prosperous andit was something that had been
given to them, the things thatGod had actually promised to
them when he says here if you'llfollow in those statutes and
ordinances so that you mightlive we mentioned a couple
sessions ago that this went backto Deuteronomy, that this went
back to Deuteronomy and that theliving there didn't have to do
with salvation.
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It had to do with living long inthe land itself.
Every time we saw thatmentioned I think it was three
times what we just read there ifyou would obey the statutes and
ordinances, you might live inthe land.
That's why they didn't do it.
They disobeyed.
Therefore, now we findthemselves being finally exiled
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off into Babylon.
The whole nation itself, judahitself, is the last bastion of
the great nation of Israel.
Now we find them.
They're only a few years awayfrom Jerusalem being destroyed
and the temple being destroyed.
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What else do we see
here that God did for them?
Verse 9, god says I made myselfknown to them, and verse 11,
gave them my statutes.
Just those things by themselvesare a great blessing, are they
not the commands of God?
If we live by them and think ofit, the creator of the universe
appeared and revealed himselfto the nation of Israel.
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Such great blessing.
As we pointed out in the lastsession of what we read, he
recounted taking them out of theland of Egypt.
What went with that?
All of those miracles thathappened with it.
You're exactly right.
He showed who he was to thepeople.
You would think that that wouldlast from generation to
generation to keep them to wantto obey the statutes and
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ordinances that he gave to them,but for some reason they kept
wanting to get pulled back intothe world.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
He mentions three
times in here in the section we
just read that he brought themout of Egypt.
Plus, as you said, he mentionedit in our last session.
Over and over again he mentionsI am the one that brought you
out of Egypt.
This was a major, major eventin the history of Israel.
It's hardwired into theirhistory.
Even today, the Passoverceremonies every year mentioned
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that he brought them out ofEgypt.
This is a major theme and ithas theological implications as
well.
He mentions the Sabbath inthere as well.
That's another on this list ofgood things.
Why is it that the Sabbath is agood thing for?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
people Because it's a
day of rest.
It's a day whenever they wereto reflect on God and the things
that he had done for them andprovided for them.
Along with it, there were othertypes of Sabbaths they would
let the land lay fallow everyseven years where you know it
was crop rotation and thingslike that.
There was not just them aspeople, but also for their
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livelihood and for their land.
Sabbath rest is a good thing.
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Another thing on the
list of good things that God did
is sanctify them.
He says at the end of verse 12,he sanctified them.
Sanctification just means toset people apart.
This was a special people setapart for his purpose, and to be
set apart for God's purpose andto have God set you apart, that
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is such a great blessing.
We can take comfort today, canwe not, of being sanctified.
All of us are given a purposein the body of Christ, that each
of us has a thing that we areto do that is special to God.
We can serve Him and glorifyHis name.
We are sanctified if you're achild of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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It says in verse 14, quote Iacted for the sake of my name,
which he's referring there torelenting from punishing them
for disobedience.
And he relented because of myname, which what he's speaking
there is because of the promisethat he made.
Because of my name meansbecause of the promise that he
made.
Because of my name meansbecause of the things that he
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had promised in his name.
He promised Abraham to keepthis people in the land and to
give them the land.
He told Abraham go out and lookat the stars of the sky that
you would be a great blessing.
He didn't destroy them becauseof his promise that he made to
Abraham Verse 17, he spared themrather than destroying them in
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the wilderness when theydisobeyed.
And then, in verses 18 to 20,he reminded the following
generation to reject idols andfollow God.
Steve, this is all very goodthings that God had given his
people.
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He says there that he
didn't annihilate them because
of the other nations.
See, that was the a-mainpurpose of him creating this
nation of Israel.
It was something that hecreated out of nothing.
He didn't take a person fromanother nation and continue that
nation.
He took a person and created anew nation, one that was his own
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, the nation of Israel.
And the purpose for that, oneof the purposes, was for them to
show the one true God, theinteraction between them and him
.
He remembers here, I think threetimes, where he was going to
annihilate them, but he didn'tdo it because he says what would
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that show to the other nations?
And if you remember the storywhen he went to that, they came
out and they had the cold andthe calf, while Moses was up
there on the mountain receivingthe Ten Commandments.
He tells Moses your people downthere have created a golden
calf and are down thereworshiping it and actually
giving credit to that goldencalf for bringing them out of
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Egypt.
I'm going to destroy them andstart over with you, moses and
Moses, that was his argument forGod.
No, lord, don't do that,because what will all the other
nations say?
They'll just say that youbrought them out here to destroy
them.
God didn't do that.
Them out here to destroy them.
God didn't do that and hecontinued there with them, but
that is what he's telling them.
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I didn't do it because of theother nations.
I'm doing this.
I'm remembering the covenant Imade with you.
I'm remembering because you'remy people, I'm your God and your
purpose.
One of them is to show theother nations who I am, and
you've been doing it poorly, butyet that is one of your
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purposes.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
So in this section
there's the long list that we
just gave of God's blessings,his promises, the good things
that God did to them.
Back through the same section,interspersed in, there is
another long list of Israel'sresponse, which is disobedience
and disbelief.
Steve, what do you notice inthese passages of how did Israel
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respond to all these goodthings that God gave?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
them.
They continued to rebel againsthim and they continued to not
follow the ordinances and to notfollow the statutes and not to
honor the Sabbath.
So God goes to the nextgeneration and tells them don't
do what your fathers have done,Don't rebel against me.
But yet that generation doesthe same thing.
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So they just continue to notfollow God and obey him.
So that why?
So that they could live a longlife in the land.
That was the payoff for obeyingGod.
They didn't do it, they justcontinued to rebel over and over
again.
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They rebelled, it
says in verse 8.
They also did not cast away theEgyptian idols.
He mentions that in here.
They rebelled against me verse13.
They says four times in thatsection that they did not walk
in my statutes and they rejectedmy ordinances.
They profaned the Sabbath hesays that three times and
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profaning the Sabbath again.
The Sabbath was there becauseof God.
It was not just a day ofphysical rest, but it was there
for worshiping the Lord.
When they profane the Sabbath,they're doing things that God
had said not to.
They're going out, ignoring Godspecifically so they can go out
and do other work or whateverit says.
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They continually went afteridols is the language here.
Idols and pagan sacrifices arementioned eight times in this
chapter.
Steve, did they have a problemwith idols?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
They absolutely had a
problem with idols.
It was their downfall from thevery beginning.
As you mentioned, they broughtthem out of Egypt and brought
them with them and continued tobring them all through their
travel through the wilderness.
Even though he was the wisestman, because he had asked for
wisdom from God, he actuallyexpanded the kingdom through
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alliances with outside countriesand marrying the princesses
from those outside nations andbringing them in.
And what did he do?
He allowed them to bring theiridols in and to set up worship
centers of their gods and,instead of being an influence on
the other nations, he allowedthem to be an influence on the
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nation of Israel.
It's just again a sad situation, one that, for some reason,
they just continued to disobeyGod, rebel against him, as
pointed out the very firstchapter of Ezekiel.
Here God says I'm sending youto an obstinate and stubborn
people.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
God very clearly gave
his blessings and demonstrated
his power and gave hisordinances to the generation
that came out of Israel.
He mentions here that he alsorepeated them to the following
generations.
How did Israel respond?
Verse 21,.
And so they were no better thanthe first generation.
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Many of us can say that we sinjust like our parents did and
their parents before them.
Look at verse 26.
It says there it caused yourchildren to pass through the
fire.
Well, that is child sacrifice.
They had even adopted childsacrifice as a pagan religious
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practice.
They would sacrifice theirfirst child with the view that
the idol would give themfruitful and have many other
children.
That is so wrong, so evil.
Back in Joshua's day, god hadsent prophets to Canaan and they
wouldn't listen.
He finally sent Israel in towipe them out.
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Israel failed to do so.
They didn't obey God and didn'tkill all the Canaanites.
So here, by the time we get toEzekiel's day, the evil of the
Canaanites had rubbed off ontothe people of Israel so that
they had adopted child sacrifice.
It's just a horrible thing.
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Verse 27, blasphemy andtreachery.
Steve, how far from God theyhad gotten.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
They had gotten
really far.
You mentioned blasphemy.
I think, glenn, in our age wementioned this in our last
session that they maybe gotcomfortable with God, that he
was there, that he was mercifuland that he had protected them
in various ways.
Maybe somehow they got in theirhead that, oh, we can do these
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pagan things and yet God isstill going to protect us, which
is odd.
As you mentioned, childsacrifice to another God.
How in the world would youthink that the Creator, yahweh,
the God of Israel, wouldoverlook that and not punishment
?
But in our day, glenn, I thinkthat possibly that our churches
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today, in our churches, they'vegotten too comfortable with God
and think that God is going tooverlook the blasphemous things
they do, the mocking of himthrough the sermons that they
preach, the making fun of him,his ways and his statutes and
ordinances from the standpointof things that he's told us to
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do to follow the law of Christ,and to think that God is going
to overlook it.
The so-called preachers that getup and give false prophecies
and do things and are justreally charlatans, stealing
money from the people throughthe things that they say and
telling of trips that they'vemade to heaven and that they're
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throwing their arm around Jesusand that God and Abraham even
come up to them and ask them foradvice on what to do.
I mean, these are all thingsthat I have heard just in the
last few months through thesevarious different preachers from
various different denominationsand different things that
they're doing and bringing theworld into their worship
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services, things like that.
The only thing I can think ofGlenn is that they've just
gotten too comfortable with Godand they think that God is going
to overlook this stuff.
But he's not going to overlookit and for even some of these
so-called preachers, theirconsequence is going to be when
they meet Jesus, he's going tosay depart from me, for I never
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knew you.
They're going to say but wait aminute, lord, I would cast out
demons.
Your name I gave to the poor, Idid this, I did that.
And he's going to say departbecause I never knew you.
It's going to be a rudeawakening for them, but I think
there's a parallel between ourmodern day and what was going on
with Israel at that point intime getting too comfortable
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with God and not realizing thatthere's going to be consequences
.
God won't be mocked, he won'tbe made fun of and there's going
to be consequences.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
In this section that
we just read.
In Ezekiel, chapter 20, godrepeatedly listed off all of the
good things he had done forthem, and he even said I
repeated it to the nextgeneration and they disobeyed as
much as the first one.
The issue is still here today.
He has repeated it to us.
He even put it in a book sothat we could learn it and not
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lose it.
We end up with the same problem.
We have churches that ignoreGod's commands, ignore God's
ways, that think that their ownpassions and their own decisions
know better, and they ignoreGod's commands.
We've all been guilty of thisto one degree or another and we
really, really need to take Hisword seriously and bend our will
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to his.
We all go astray if left toourselves.
If we're deciding for ourselveswhat's right and wrong, then
we're just as guilty as thepeople in Ezekiel's day.
Notice, in this passage he listsoff why he acts.
Why does he act?
Verse 9,.
I acted for the sake of my name.
Verse 14, I acted for the sakeof my name Verse 22,.
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But I withdrew my hand andacted for the sake of my name.
God was acting because of thepromise he had made earlier to
Abraham.
He said I used my name to makea promise to Abraham that I
would keep this people.
Therefore, I will.
But also note the times whenGod says what he will do.
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He says I did this for the sakeof my name.
But verse 8, I resolved to pourout my wrath, accomplish my
anger against them.
Verse 13 and verse 21, Iresolved to pour out my wrath on
them.
What God is saying in thispassage is that the generation
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that came out of Egypt wasdisobedient.
God reminded the nextgeneration to avoid the problems
of the first one.
The next generation disobeyedjust as much as their fathers
did.
God was very patient and gavethem many blessings, but they
turned to pagan idols.
The New Testament representsour relationship with God as a
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bride, steve.
Here's the question.
Since God desires a loverelationship, how serious is our
disobedience?
Today?
We can look back under the law.
He had all these commands 600plus commandments in the Mosaic
law and prophets over and over,and Israel disobeyed.
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It was very clear disobey thiscommand and you'll receive this
punishment.
In our day, we have a loverelationship with God through
the Lord Jesus Christ.
What happens in our day if weare doing the same things as the
ancient Israelites saying oh,we're the covenant people,
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therefore we can just go do allthat we want.
What would happen in ahusband-wife relationship if one
of them just callouslydisregards the love relationship
?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
That's how God
described it.
His relationship with Israelwas Israel was his wife and that
they had gone off and playedthe harlot.
Not only just played the harlot, but they were actually paying
the foreign countries to come inso that they could be a harlot
to them.
Again, it's a slap in his face,so to speak, for him for
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somebody to have that lovingrelationship that he describes
there in an anthropomorphic wayof a wife and a bride of Christ.
Then for that entity to go offand worship other gods and do
other things, it's a picture ofone that's betraying the trust
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of a fellow loved one andbetraying the love that has been
shown by the other loved oneand the disregard for what the
other one has done for them.
As I mentioned before, we needto be careful in our day and age
to not become too comfortablewith God and thinking that God's
going to overlook many of thethings that I think modern day
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churches are doing.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
The overall big
picture in the book of Ezekiel
and the message is really notover yet, we'll get to it in
future chapters is this verygraphic, very blunt story of God
saying message from God sayinglook, I'm going to send Babylon
in and many people are going tobe burned with the city they're
going to be destroyed, we'regoing to take away the kings,
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we're going to tear down thewalls of the city, you're going
to destroy the temple.
All this very graphic, horribledescription.
Well, what would happen if Goddidn't do that, if God would
have said, okay, I'm just goingto allow the idol worship to
continue, I'll keep sendingprophets forever.
What would be the case?
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What would have that said oneto the person of God?
What would it have done withthe actual sin in?
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Israel.
God, sending the prophets in,shows the love that he has for
them, that he is trying to getthem back on the right track
over and over again.
As we've pointed out, Jeremiahand Daniel are contemporaries of
Ezekiel.
We see God working in variousways with the nation of Israel.
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Jeremiah is staying there inthe land itself of Jerusalem and
the temple area, pleading withthe people that are there you
need to repent and return to God.
Ezekiel is there with theexiles and doing the same thing,
telling them actually you needto settle in here because you're
here because of the things thatyou've done, but of course,
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you're going to have a chance torepent and once again worship
God whenever he puts you backinto the land.
We have Daniel actually workingwith the Gentile nations, in
that he's in Nebuchadnezzar'scourt.
So we see God working indifferent ways with different
prophets in order to convey hislove and desire for his creation
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, both the nation of Israelitself and for the Gentile
nations.
As Daniel again is working withNebuchadnezzar and other
Persian kings that come along.
I think it's just a picture ofGod wanting the people to do the
right thing.
If he didn't do that, then theywould just continue doing what
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they're doing because they'realready continue doing it, even
though he sends the prophets him, because they're already
continue doing it, even thoughhe sends the prophets, but yet
it's a wake-up call every timewhere they're to realize what
they need to do.
Ultimately, Glenn, what does hedo?
He comes himself in JesusChrist and he walks among his
creation and he gives himself asa satisfactory sacrifice for
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his creation.
That's the ultimate thing.
Many people say that Jesus wasa prophet.
No, he was more than a prophet.
He's God himself that came todie and be resurrected, to give
his life to pay the price, thesin debt, for the people of the
world.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
If we ask the
question what would have
happened if God would have justignored these disobedient people
and allowed them to keep going?
Because what he actually didwas finally, as the book of
Ezekiel says, send in Babylon tohave mass death.
It killed many of the people,destroyed things, displaced
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people.
What would have happened if Godhadn't done that?
Well, we don't have to guess.
That's what happened for manycenturies since he first gave
the commands, back in Moses' day.
They continued child sacrifice,which means the murder would
have continued.
If God hadn't have dealt withthat, then God would have been
guilty of ignoring evil and notdealing with it, and they would
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have continued to reject the onetrue God that gave them all the
benefits.
They would have continued torefuse to give the worship that
he is quite worthy of, which isa high crime.
Lastly, as we wrap up thesession for today, there's one
apologetic question I think wecan cover.
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Verse 25 says I also gave themstatutes that were not good and
ordinances by which they couldnot live.
So the question then comes inis how could that be God give
them things they couldn't do?
Well, what he's saying here isthat, similar to what the NIV
says, which quote gave them overto statutes that were not good.
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One of the themes it's not onlyhere but throughout Scripture is
that if we rebel long enough,then God will remove His Spirit,
he will withdraw His commongrace, he will withdraw His
drawing back to the moral waysand give them over to what their
hearts desired, which was tofollow pagan morality.
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We can get to a point where Godgives us up and stops drawing
us towards the good by whichthey could not live Just means
I'm giving them over to things.
You won't survive if you keepdoing this.
You won't live if you keepdoing this pagan morality.
That's where our culture istoday, is it not?
We can just see, within one ortwo generations, god has
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withdrawn a lot of his hands andour culture is going to hell in
a handbasket, doing everythingthat people's hearts desire.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
That's a dangerous
place to be in, whenever God
just turns you over to yourself.
Over in Romans, it says thatthe people exchanged the truth
for a lie and mocked God, and soGod just turned them over to
their selves, to their ways thatthey wanted to do.
That's a dangerous place to bein, whenever God just turns away
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and says OK, I've tried to makeyou several times become a
believer in me.
You don't want to do that?
Therefore, I'm just going tolet you off and do what you want
to do.
That's what he just got throughsaying here that he did with
Israel.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Well, stop today
because of time.
Oh, these passages back here,these long ignored passages back
in Ezekiel.
How beneficial they are and howvaluable they are, and we will
continue.
This is a hard lesson, but it'sso rich and so valuable for us.
We'll continue to reasonthrough that next time.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Thank you so much for
watching and listening.
May God bless you.