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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Today on Reasoning
Through the Bible.
We are in Ezekiel, chapter 28,and we're going to meet a couple
of people here that thescriptures are quite descriptive
of.
One of them we know is a humanleader of the nation of Tyre and
the other is going to be quiteinteresting and we'll see who
that is as we get into thepassage.
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Today, again, if you have yourcopy of the Word of God, open it
to Ezekiel, chapter 28.
A little bit of review thatwe'll do here before we get into
chapter 28.
The first of the book, if youremember, God spends the entire
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first chapter arriving in all ofhis glory and Ezekiel describes
the grand throne with all ofthe heavenly beings and the
wheels within a wheel.
God was very impressive andvery powerful.
He calls Ezekiel into ministryand gives him a commission, and
from chapters 4 through 24, godgives Ezekiel a series of
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prophecies that predict the fallof Jerusalem.
We had many passages with verygraphic descriptions of the
death and destruction that'sgoing to happen to Jerusalem and
the reason why God was doing it.
God gave much justification forwhy he's going to bring death
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to a very disobedient Jewishpeople.
In a vision we also saw God'sglory leaving the temple and
leaving the city of Jerusalemand going out to the Mount of
Olives.
That is symbolizing theremoving of his blessing from
the nation Israel.
From chapters 12 to 16, godexplained why he's judging
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Jerusalem and gave graphicdescription of the abominations
that the Jewish people weredoing, calling them adulteries
and giving very descriptiveillustrations of how and why God
was passing judgment on thesepeople.
The Lord talked about a futuretime of a new covenant and
rebuild Jerusalem.
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These passages had manysections of destruction of
Jerusalem and the disobedience,but he has brought in several
passages where God will say I'mgoing to rebuild it and there's
going to be a new day someday.
And as we get later in the book, we'll see much more of that,
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starting in chapters 26 and 27,.
God predicts what he's going todo with Tyre Today.
In chapter 28, we have speakingto two particular beings about
Tyre.
The first one is called theleader or prince of Tyre and the
second one is called the kingof Tyre.
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But as we get to that partwe'll see if it really is a king
or not.
Let's go ahead and dive in.
Well, first of all, we hearabout what the scripture calls
the prince, or ruler or leaderof Tyre.
Steve, can you read the first10 verses of Ezekiel, chapter 28
?
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The word of the Lord
came again to me, saying Son of
man, say to the leader of TyreThus says the Lord God, because
your heart is lifted up and youhave said I am a God, I sit in
the seat of gods in the heart ofthe seas.
Yet you are a man, not a God,although you make your heart
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like the heart of God.
Behold, you are wiser thanDaniel.
There is no secret that is amatch for you.
By your wisdom andunderstanding, you have acquired
riches for yourself and haveacquired gold and silver for
your treasuries.
By your great wisdom, by yourtrade, you have increased your
riches and your heart is liftedup because of your riches.
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Therefore, thus says the LordGod, because you have made your
heart like the heart of God.
Therefore, behold, I will bringstrangers upon you, the most
ruthless of the nations, andthey will draw their swords
against the beauty of yourwisdom and defile your splendor.
They will bring you down to thepit and you will die the death
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of those who are slain in theheart of the seas.
Will you still say I am a Godin the presence of your slayer,
though you are a man and not Godin the hands of those who wound
you.
You will die the death of theuncircumcised by the hand of
strangers.
For I have spoken, declares theLord God.
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In this section, God
is telling what he's going to do
to Tyre and why.
Let's look at verse 2.
God gives specific reasonsthere why he's going to do what
he's going to do to Tyre.
Steve, what reason does Godgive in verse 2 for judging Tyre
?
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Tyre.
Steve, what reason does Godgive in verse 2 for judging Tyre
?
Because he says he has liftedup his heart, meaning that he
has a bit of pride that he hasbrought about.
In that he says that you saythat I am a God and that you sit
in the seats of God.
So here it is.
This leader of Tyre haselevated himself to the area of
being a god and the Lord isquite clear in the latter verses
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that he's not a god, he's justa man.
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What is it about
pride?
That really rubs against God'sways and God's character.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I think it's because
people attribute to themselves
things that God has broughtabout, especially creation or
whenever they have a greatsuccess of, in these cases,
building cities or buildingwealth.
They don't acknowledge theblessings of God that have come
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along their way and they totallylook to themselves and say I,
single-handedly, have done thisand they don't acknowledge God
as being active in their life.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Is this still true
today?
I mean what will happen todayto people that puff themselves
up with pride and think veryhighly of themselves.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I think it is the
same thing today, and especially
with leadership.
We're going to be talking aboutall the leaders of these
different nations that God isgoing to be talking about
through Ezekiel, and God isgoing to be clear I'm the person
and I'm the one who raisesthese nations up and take them
down again.
I think it was true then, inEzekiel's time, and it's true
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today, that through all of theleaders of the nations, that
they serve at the pleasure ofGod.
What I mean by that is thatScripture is clear that God
allows them to serve.
We're told in the New Testamentthat we're to pray for our
leadership Through that.
What that means is that we'reto pray for them to be followers
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of God, the one true God.
I think there's going to be aresponsibility.
James tells us in the thirdchapter that there's a greater
responsibility to you and me,glenn, as teachers of the Word,
that we're supposed to treat itrespectfully and we're supposed
to do it diligently anddiligently, study through it in
order to convey what God wantsto through his word, and we're
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going to be held to a higherstandard.
Well, I think the same thing isthe case for leaders of nations.
They are there to lead greatthrongs of people and they're
there to be shepherds in a waynot in a religious way but
they're to be protectors.
They're the people that havebeen put in power to guide the
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people and make the nation safeand prosperous among them.
But we've seen through the agesthat there's been several
tyrants, despots and dictatorsthat have turned around and
killed millions of their ownpopulace, and I think that those
leaders are going to pay aprice.
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We see that God is talkingabout some of these leaders here
and he's going to be verydirect and clear that they are
going to pay a price for notleading the people in the right
way and not worshiping God inthe way that they should be.
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God is the same today
as he was back in Ezekiel's day
, and he's going to react topeople that are prideful today,
just like he did in those daysand really all throughout the
scriptures, because there's manyplaces where he talks about how
he will react to people.
Many places where he talksabout how he will react to
people.
Quote pride goes beforedestruction and a haughty spirit
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before a fall.
It tells us that in Proverbs 16, 18.
Quote a man's pride will bringhim low.
Proverbs 29, 23.
God will not tolerate those wholift themselves up to his level
.
Remember the Tower of Babel?
What were they trying to do isto reach up into heaven instead
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of realizing their place.
Rather, god tells us to humbleourselves in front of him, to
make ourselves low, and then hewill lift us up.
Quote humble yourselves underthe mighty hand of God that he
may exalt you at the proper time.
Unquote.
It says that in 1 Peter, 5, 6.
Throughout the scriptures OldTestament and New God really
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hates a prideful, haughty spiritand he loves an humble one,
because an humble spirit can beteachable.
We're not as smart as we'd liketo convince ourselves, and
God's wisdom is the wisdom ofthe ages.
If we are humble, then we canlearn from him and he can use us
.
If we have a prideful, boastfulspirit, then we resist the
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teaching hand of God.
Then it says in verses three tofive here God tells the people
of Tyre you are wiser thanDaniel.
Remember, daniel was quite wiseand God is pointing out that
the ruler of Tyre was indeedwise.
If you were with us last time,you remember that Tyre grew
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itself into a vast size of anation, was very wealthy,
controlled many cities,controlled the entire eastern
end of the Mediterranean Sea.
You're not an idiot if you'regoing to be controlling all that
.
This was a very wise ruler.
But what does he say in verses7 and 8, steve, that he's going
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to do to Tyre?
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He says here in verse
7 that there's going to be
nations that are going to comeup and they're going to be
ruthless in the destruction ofTyre, they're going to bring out
their swords and that they'regoing to go against his beauty
and wisdom and defile thesplendor, as we've talked about
in earlier sessions that Tyrewas this very wealthy city-state
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nation and they had alsoplanted other colonies along the
Mediterranean and they were themain leader of commerce and
trade all throughout theMediterranean.
Through all of that trade theyhad built themselves up and
really made their city-state athing to look at in a splendor.
And Glenn, one thing on thecomparison with Daniel.
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When we go through the book ofDaniel, daniel attributes his
wisdom and his abilities tointerpret Nebuchadnezzar's
dreams to God himself, to Yahweh.
Daniel never takes anything forhimself and says I'm doing this
on my own.
We see the exact opposite inDaniel.
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As far as pride, daniel isalways bowing himself and
humbling himself, as youmentioned before, to Yahweh, and
it's the exact opposite.
So I find it curious that whenGod compares the leader or
Prince of Tyre to Daniel andsays that he is as wise as
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Daniel in as far as thepersonalities of the two, the
Prince of Tyre takes it uponhimself and says I am like a god
, whereas Daniel acknowledgesthat he gets all of his wisdom
and interpretations from Godhimself.
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The ruler of Tyre
viewed himself as like a god.
And with this God, the real God, approaches him with this with
a question in verse 9.
He had told him he's going tobring these nations, these very
ruthless nations, against you.
And in verse 9, are you stillgoing to say I am God when
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there's somebody running a swordthrough your midsection?
That was Yahweh's question tothis ruler of Tyre you think
you're a god?
Are you really going to sayyou're all that smart when I
send the hordes and ruthlesspeoples to come in and cut you
down to size?
That's what the question hereis.
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These people had no qualmsabout ignoring God and thinking
they were the ones who wereintelligent enough to raise
themselves up to this wealthyposition of wealth and power.
But God says I'm going to bringyou down to size.
So the question now is how do weapply this to our day?
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We live in a time when there'sa lot of people out there that
think they're real smart andthey think they're very clever
and they think they've figuredout a way to game the system to
make themselves a lot of powerand money.
In a lot of cases, if you justlook at it from a worldly
standpoint, they've succeeded.
They're running around cheatingand they're running around
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manipulating society andmanipulating things to bring
themselves wealth and power.
But, steve, what's going tohappen to them in the end?
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They are going to pay
for the pride that they have,
and it's not going to be in apleasant way.
They are going to pay for thepride that they have, and it's
not going to be in a pleasantway.
They're going to become underjudgment from God here.
These judgments that we'regoing to go through are talking
about the judgment of them andtheir nations here on earth, and
we're going to see what theoutcome is.
But as far as their spirit andtheir soul, but as far as their
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spirit and their soul, there'sgoing to be a judgment on them
in their spiritual sense.
As far as their eternaldestination, it's very clear
that the only way for someone tohave eternal life with God is
to go through Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ says I am the way,the truth and the life.
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No man comes to the Fatherexcept through me.
These people that do notacknowledge God as being their
creator and do not acknowledgeJesus Christ and belief in him
as being the way to eternalsalvation and to be with them in
heaven, and such that they'regoing to spend an eternity in a
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place that is not heaven, andthere's going to be a judgment
on their spirit and their soulrelated to that these talk about
immediate judgment there in thetime on the earth.
But there's also going to be asecond judgment we're told about
at the end of the kingdom,where the lost are going to face
it of the kingdom where thelost are going to face it.
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It's called the great
white throne judgment.
We live in a day where we thinkwe're very civilized, we think
we're above and beyond all theviolence, we think we've really
got things figured out.
But God says there's going tocome a day when he sends in very
ruthless people, like he sayshere in Ezekiel, and that is so
that we will remember who is thereal God.
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This first part of the chaptertalks to this leader, this human
leader in Tyre.
The second part is addressed tothe language it uses as the
king of Tyre, and there is somedebate amongst Bible teachers
about who this is speaking about, whether this is a human king
or whether this is Satan.
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Let's go ahead and read it andthen we can talk about who this
is really speaking about.
I'm starting in verse 11.
Again, the word of the Lordcame to me saying Son of man,
take up a lamentation over theking of Tyre and say to him.
Thus says the Lord God, you hadthe seal of perfection, full of
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wisdom and perfect and beauty.
You were in Eden, the garden ofGod.
Every precious stone was yourcovering the ruby, the topaz and
the diamond, the beryl, theonyx and the jasper, the lapis
lazuli, the turquoise and theemerald and the gold and the
workmanship of your settings andsockets was in you On the day
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that you were created.
They were prepared.
You were the anointed cherubwho covers, and I placed you
there.
You were on the holy mountain ofGod.
You walked in the midst of thestones of fire.
You were blameless in your waysfrom the day you were created
until unrighteousness was foundin you by the abundance of your
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trade.
You were internally filled withviolence and you sinned.
Therefore, I have cast you asprofane from the mountain of God
and I have destroyed you.
O covering cherub, from themidst of the stones of fire.
Your heart was lifted upbecause of your beauty.
You corrupted your wisdom byreason of your splendor.
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I cast you to the ground.
I put you before kings thatthey may see you by the
multitude of your iniquities.
In the unrighteousness of yourtrade, you profaned your
sanctuaries.
Therefore, I have brought firefrom the midst of you.
It has consumed you and I haveturned you to ashes on the earth
in the eyes of all who see you.
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All who know you among thepeople are appalled at you.
You have become terrified andyou will cease to be forever.
Steve.
Very graphic language here,very descriptive.
Why do some people think thatthis is talking about Satan and
not a literal king of Tyre?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Because there are
several references in here that
talk about an entity that is nota creation of a human being.
One, for instance, it says youwere the covering cherub.
It also says that you werecreated and such, and I think
you have a listing here, glenn,that we're going to go through
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in detail.
But when you see those type ofreferences, it says he was
created blameless.
Those things don't refer to ahuman being, those refer to
another type of a creation.
As we go through and discussthese in a little bit of detail,
we're going to see that it'sreferring to Satan himself.
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I think that's where we've comeout and rested upon.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
There are several
passages that we just read,
several verses that really makeit doubtful that it's really the
language that was originallyused.
They're a king of Tyre, simplybecause look at the list.
Verse 12, you had the seal ofperfection.
Verse 13, you were in Eden, thegarden of God, on the day you
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were created and it goes throughall these beautiful things,
rubies and diamonds and gold,and all these precious stones,
all this splendor.
It says.
No human really could be saidfor that to apply to.
He was covered in all thisbeauty.
Verse 14, you were the anointedcherub and at one point it even
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calls him oh, cherub.
He's speaking directly to acherub.
Verse 15, you were blameless inyour ways from the day you were
created.
That language is just neverused of a regular human being
and it certainly is not speakingof Adam.
That was the only one that wasreally made perfect in all of
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human history.
All of those were reasons whymany, if not most, bible
teachers think this is speakingof Satan.
However, there are a couple ofplaces that cast some shadow of
doubt on whether it's Satan orhuman.
Look at verse 18.
It says fire has consumed himand it uses the language quote
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turned you to ashes on the earth, unquote.
And it says it says you willcease to be forever.
We take that and we compare itto passages we know are talking
about Satan, such as Revelation,chapter 20, verse 10, that
clearly speaks of the eternalstate of Satan as being in the
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lake of fire.
Revelation 20.10 says and thedevil who deceived them was
thrown into the lake of fire andbrimstone, where the beast and
the false prophet are also, andthey will be tormented day and
night, forever and ever.
So Satan was never turned intoashes on the earth, nor does he
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cease to be forever.
Steve, is there areconciliation for this?
It seems to be Satan, butthere's a couple of passages
there at the end that just raisesome questions.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, I think in
those latter chapters of
Revelation when it talks aboutSatan being cast into the lake
of fire.
Prior to that it says he'sloosed for a little while, for a
little season, and thenafterwards he's finally defeated
once and for all and he's castinto the lake of fire and into
the abyss.
I think that's relevant to thepeople that are on earth.
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He's not going to be a problemanymore.
He's not going to be someonethat is a temptation to the
other nations or a deceiver forany of the people or the nations
at any point anymore.
So therefore, you could saythat he's going to go to the
ashes, he's going to cease toexist forever.
I think that's what it'sreferring to From the
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perspective of people that areon the redeemed earth and in the
new heavens and new earth.
He is no longer, once and forall, ever going to be an issue
at all.
He's going to be in the lake offire forever, but as far as us
and our glorified bodies in thenew heavens and new earth, he's
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not going to be an issue everagain.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
That's good news.
I think we can draw a lessonfrom this, though, that we can
take home on a practical sensewith us on an everyday basis.
The lesson here that's veryclear, whoever it's talking
about is that just because aperson or a country is wise,
beautiful, powerful, intelligent, has all these attributes of
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beauty and power andintelligence, just because they
have all of that, if they don'thumble themselves before God,
then he will eventually bringthem down.
If they hold themselves up inpride because of their beauty
and talents, then the Lord, god,will bring them down Verse 17,.
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The beauty of this beingcorrupted is wisdom, is what it
says there.
So, steve, today is it possiblefor people to be as we said
earlier?
We've got very wise,intelligent, crafty people in
the world, and we've got verybeautiful people in the world
that command a lot of attention.
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Can beauty and wisdom becorrupted into being sinful and
unwise and end up in some kindof destruction?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I think that's the
case many times with people who
have great wealth, that they areinsulated in many ways from the
world and they don't have todepend on any type of a supreme
being.
They think that they can covereverything themselves and that
wealth will bring them muchhappiness.
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But yet we see the exactopposite more often than not,
that the great wealth that theyaccumulate really doesn't
insulate them from the world.
If anything else, they startworrying about how they're going
to keep their wealth and howthey're going to accumulate more
wealth.
Many times, in order to do that, they become deceitful in the
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way that they keep that wealth.
There's different type ofperspectives related to wealth
and the people that accumulateit.
More times than not, they endup not being happy and many
times they end up dying at arelatively young age.
That said, glenn, as weprepared for this part of
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Ezekiel, I was wondering why isit that God has brought up Satan
in this particular area of Tyre?
I think that this part of verse17 here is a little bit of an
indication as to why.
In the earlier parts of thechapter it says that the prince
or the leader of Tyre thinkshimself as a god and that,
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through his wisdom, is oncompare with Daniel, and that,
through all of this, he thinksthat he's the one that has
brought about this great wealth.
But in this second part here of17, I think God is showing that
behind this leader, or thisprince of Tyre, is Satan, that
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he has some sort of a connectionwith Satan, and it is Satan who
is the power behind this princeor leader of Tyre, and that he
has made some sort of a deal, orhe worships Satan in some sort
of way, worships Satan in somesort of way, and his power and
wealth that he has accumulated,he being the leader of Tyre, is
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because of this connection thathe has with Satan, so I think
that's why God has brought himup here.
Tyre, who has accumulated allof this wealth, really is
worshiping Satan, and I thinkthat there is a parallel to our
day and age.
I think throughout all of theages, there are people that
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worship Satan, and that theyhave sold their souls, so to
speak, to honor and worshipSatan, and part of the exchange
is they get great wealth.
Now, don't get me wrong.
I'm not saying that all wealthypeople are worshipers of Satan.
What I am saying, though, isthere are some that are
worshipers of Satan and thatthey have accumulated wealth and
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made different types of dealsin order to get this wealth,
fame and fortune.
So I think that we can takefrom that that here in Ezekiel's
time that was true with thisparticular leader of Tyre and I
think it has been that waythrough all of history there are
various leaders that have madeties with Satan and have
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rejected God Yahweh and havealigned themselves with Satan
and the power that Satan has inthis world, and I think it's
true, even up until our timestoday, that there are certain
people that have done that.
So it's a picture of caution tosome of the leadership that is
out there and some of the people.
Don't exchange your soul fortemporary wealth here on earth
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and fame and fortune here onearth, because that's all that
Satan can bring you is atemporary fame and fortune and
wealth.
The eternal wealth that youhave is stored up in heaven.
Jesus says where your heart isis where your treasure will be.
Paul says we're not citizens ofthis earth, that we're citizens
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of heaven for the believers whoare in Jesus Christ.
And that's the cautionary taleAlign yourself with Jesus Christ
and have eternal life with himin heaven.
If you align yourself withSatan.
You might be wealthy and famoushere on earth.
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You might be wealthy
and famous here on earth, but
then it all comes to endwhenever you die and your
eternal soul will be separatefrom God and it won't be with
Jesus Christ at all.
Make a lot of money where theyhave a lot of power, they're
given a lot of glory.
There's people around themtelling them how great they are
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or how beautiful they are, howtalented they are.
It plays on our sinful natures.
People tend to gravitatetowards that and people tend to
get ambitious to the point theylook for positions like that.
So how can we keep ourselvesfrom being corrupted by our own
glory?
Because we've seen this overand over People get caught up in
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churchianity because of thepower and the glory.
Our leaders get corruptedbecause of the positions of
power and glory.
So if we ask ourselves, how,how do we avoid that?
Well, we have to intentionallyhumble ourselves, or else God
will Humble yourselves under themighty hand of God that he may
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exalt you in the proper time.
It says in 1 Peter, 5, 6.
So the answer is really tohumble ourselves.
Five, six.
So the answer is really tohumble ourselves.
If we don't, then the pridewill puff ourselves up and God
will need to take drastic action.
Steve, that's a terrible placeto be in.
Then, from verses 20 to 24, godcondemns Sidon, another
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city-state near Israel, and inverse 24, he, god, tells us very
clearly that he is in controlof the nations and is making
these decisions because of him,protecting the nation Israel,
and he's making sure no nationsare going to be able to attack
or influence Israel, as theyhave been in previous centuries.
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Steve, it reminds me of Daniel,chapter 2, where it says that
God is the one who establisheskings and removes kings.
So is God still in charge?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
today of nations.
God is absolutely in charge ofnations.
Daniel was a contemporary ofEzekiel.
I'm just always fascinated thatGod is very consistent in his
message Ezekiel to the exilesthere in Babylon and with Daniel
, to King Nebuchadnezzar, theGentile leader or king, the most
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powerful one at the time.
He tells him I'm the one thatraises kings and takes them down
.
I'm the one that's in controlof nations.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
One of the nations
that's going to be spoken about
in several chapters coming up isthe nation of Egypt.
We're going to see that nexttime on Reasoning Through the
Bible.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Thank you so much for
watching and listening.
May God bless you.