November 12, 2025 • 31 mins
Start with the breathtaking claim of Hebrews chapter 1: the same Jesus who walked dusty roads laid the foundations of the earth and shaped the heavens with his hands. We walk through the text step by step, showing how the author of Hebrews applies the divine name to Jesus, places Him above angels, and calls Him unchanging. If creation wears out like a garment, Jesus remains. That single truth reframes faith, hope, and every promise we bank on.
We then pivot from soaring theology to a sober warning in Hebrews chapter 2: do not drift. Most of us don’t renounce truth in one loud moment; we slide away in silence. Drift looks like busyness without Bible, borrowed convictions without Berean checking, and reading Scripture through the lens of our times instead of reading our times through Scripture. The remedy is clear and possible: pay closer attention to what the eyewitnesses handed down. The word was confirmed with signs, wonders, and gifts of the Holy Spirit—evidence we should not treat lightly.
Together we explore why “neglect,” not just “reject,” is the danger of our age. For those outside The Church, ignoring Jesus' rescue leaves no alternate path around a just penalty for sin. For believers, casual faith invites discipline and loss, even as salvation rests secure in Jesus the Messiah. Through Israel’s history and the coming judgment on Jerusalem, we’re reminded that God’s patience is holy, not permissive. The invitation is not to fear for fear’s sake but to anchor to the only One who does not change. If you’ve felt the pull of the worldly tide, this conversation will help you tie the mooring line again—daily Scripture, honest community, and a fresh gaze at the majesty of Jesus.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:20):
Welcome to Reasoning Through the Bible.
Today we are in the book ofHebrews in chapter one.
If you were with us last time,we've been breathing some
rarefied air, some very richtheological teachings about the
Lord Jesus.
This is a wonderful book, andit's very deep, very profound.
He spends a lot of the booksoaring around the heights,
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talking about who is this manJesus.
We saw last time the writerlifts him up higher than the
angels, all the way up to thethrone of God.
We saw that he speaks of Christas the Son.
He accepts worship.
The deity of Christ is strong inHebrews chapter one.
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Today we're not finished withthese lofty teachings about
Christ.
We're going to start in Hebrewschapter one, starting in verse
10.
And Steve, can you read down toverse 14?
SPEAKER_00 (01:14):
You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of
the earth, and the heavens arethe works of your hands.
They will perish, but youremain, and they all will become
old like a garment, and like amantle you will roll them up.
Like a garment they will also bechanged.
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But you are the same, and youryears will not come to an end.
But to which of the angels hashe ever said, Sit at my right
hand until I make your enemies afootstool for your feet?
Are they not all ministeringspirits sent out to render
service for the sake of thosewho will inherit salvation?
SPEAKER_01 (01:54):
With this, again, the writer of Hebrews is quoting
the Old Testament.
He's very adept at quoting OldTestament passages.
Here, verse 10 is quoting Psalm102, starting in verse 25.
He is again giving very loftypraise to the Lord Jesus.
Here in Hebrews 110, he'sspeaking, of course, about
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Christ.
He says, You Lord.
So, Steve, what is thesignificance here at verse 10 of
speaking of Jesus as Lord?
SPEAKER_00 (02:24):
As we pointed out before, everywhere we see
L-O-R-D capitalized in thetranslation that we're using,
the Hebrew word behind that isYahweh, Y-H-W-H.
He's saying something herethat's very personable.
You, Yahweh, in the beginninglaid the foundation of the
earth.
I think that's the significance,is that there's not just a God
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out there that is the creator ofeverything.
That God has a name, and hisname is Yahweh.
His name is Yahweh.
SPEAKER_01 (02:57):
He came to earth and took on humanity and called
himself Jesus.
It is the you here is Jesus.
You, Yahweh, Jesus in thebeginning laid the foundations.
It's not only claiming thatJesus is Yahweh, but it's
reinforcing the idea that Jesuslaid the foundations of the
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earth.
God created the world, createdthe universe, and Jesus was God.
That's what it's saying here.
Jesus created the universe.
It's saying that Jesus is theYahweh that was already existing
in the beginning.
Genesis 1.1 speaks of God asalready there.
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That's what it's saying here isthat Jesus was in the beginning.
John 1 1 opens the same.
He was in the beginning.
And it says the heavens are thework of your hands.
Jesus is the creator of all thatexists, the heavens and the
earth.
Jesus is the organizer anddesigner of the heavens.
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All the intricacies, all thesize, all the astronomical
wonders are the work of thehands of this lowly carpenter,
Jesus.
All the heavenly throne room,all the heavenly cherubim and
seraphim, all of the heavenlythrones and works and clouds.
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And just remember when we wentthrough the first chapter of
Ezekiel, we saw wheels withinwheels and the beings with four
faces.
Jesus created all of that.
All of the heavenly things andthe earthly things are the
creation of Jesus.
Steve, it's just quite amazing.
And it's a very, very headyteaching that we have here.
SPEAKER_00 (04:48):
Even though this is a song from the Old Testament,
it's matching up with a coupleof New Testament books in both
the first chapter of John andthe first chapter of Colossians.
It says there very clearly thatthe world was created by Jesus
himself, and that the world wascreated for him, by him, and
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that it's also sustained by him.
In John, it says, In thebeginning was the word, and the
word was with God, and the wordwas God.
I think it's given a goodpicture here of the deity of
Jesus Christ.
It's not just in the NewTestament, we see it depicted
here in this psalm of the OldTestament, Psalm 110.
SPEAKER_01 (05:33):
Hebrews 111 says, They will perish, speaking of
all of the heavenly beings andheavenly things.
They will perish, but youremain.
So the question is, will Jesusever perish?
Will he ever come to an end?
And what is the implications ofthat?
SPEAKER_00 (05:50):
Well, if he's God, no, he won't ever perish, and he
won't ever come to an end.
He's everlasting.
That's the implications of it.
Short answer is to no, he won'tperish.
SPEAKER_01 (06:01):
There's only one being that will not perish, and
that is the Lord God Almighty.
And this passage is claimingthat is Jesus.
Jesus is everlasting.
He was from the beginning, John1:1.
Jesus will never perish.
His years will not come to anend, it says here in verse 12.
Jesus is, quote, fromeverlasting to everlasting,
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Psalm 90, verse 2.
I think this is quite profound.
Steve, do people today needsomething that's solid, that's
not going to change, that theycan depend on, that won't fail,
something that's permanent.
Do people long for that today?
SPEAKER_00 (06:41):
Isn't that why Jesus is described as our rock, our
firm foundation?
Everybody needs something solidto stand on and something that
is solid to be able to lean onand to be behind them,
underneath them.
Jesus fits that description justperfectly because he is God, and
also because he has come hereand has fully man and fully God,
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he can relate to us and know thethings that we have gone
through.
So I just think that he is aperfect example of somebody that
we can lean on and trust andbelieve in, and that he's always
going to be there for us.
SPEAKER_01 (07:22):
In verse 12, the teachings about how grand Jesus
is, they just keep coming andcoming.
Verse 12 again is speaking ofall the creation, all of the
earth and all of the heavens.
It says, like a mantle you willroll them up, like a garment,
they will also be changed.
Not only did Jesus put up theuniverse, but he'll take it down
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again.
He's going to roll up thecreated world like an old
garment.
It says he is in control ofputting it up and taking it down
again.
The heavens will change, but hewill be the same and will always
be there.
You are the same, it says.
Jesus does not change.
God is immutable, is the termthat the theologians put on it.
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He is the same yesterday, today,and forever.
It says in Hebrews 13, 8.11 heresays the writer again tells us
Jesus is sitting at the righthand of the Father, which means
Jesus is God that we mentionedin a previous session.
If he's sitting at the righthand of the Father, only royalty
sits.
And it gets reinforced here.
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Verse 14, quote, are they notall ministering spirits,
speaking about the angels?
Angels were created asministering spirits for God's
purposes.
Angel just means messenger.
Angels are for our benefit, orthey render service for our
sake.
Angels were held up in the Bibleas the greatest of the heavenly
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creation, more powerful thanpeople.
One of the main messages in thebook of Hebrews, especially here
in chapter one, is that Jesus isabove all the created things.
He is better than the angels.
Such a wonderful chapter.
We are hard pressed to do itjustice.
We sit in awe of the majesty ofthese lofty ideas.
SPEAKER_00 (09:15):
I was just fixing to mention that.
This is in the section where thewriter is addressing the angels
and that Jesus is above theangels.
This is one of the areas ofJudaism.
They looked for angels, theylooked at Moses, and they looked
at the Levitical priesthood asthree pillars of their belief
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system.
All of the things that theyassociated with the angels, the
angels were, of course, weremessengers that came directly
from God to visit them, to helpthem at different times.
It even says at some point thatthe angels were part of the
giving of the law to Moses onMount Sinai.
The writer is going out of hisway here to give a good
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depiction of who Jesus Christis, that he's God Himself and
He's the creator of all things,which includes the angels.
He's directly going to this areaof a pillar of Judaism for these
Hebrews to assure them that whothey have placed their faith and
trust in is God Himself.
SPEAKER_01 (10:17):
The entire book really speaks of Jesus as being
better.
And it gives this hugely grandspectacle of who Jesus is.
It's very heady atmosphere, veryrarefied air that we're
breathing, especially in chapterone.
It can really make you a bitlightheaded, breathing all of
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this wonderful teaching.
Well, the author knew this, andstarting at the beginning of
chapter two, he takes a strongsteel cable and anchors it back
down to the ground and makessure that we do not drift away.
Periodically in this book, hegives some very practical,
down-to-earth warnings.
That's what we find the first ofhere at the beginning of chapter
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two.
Steve, can you read the firstfour verses of Hebrews 2?
SPEAKER_00 (11:04):
For this reason, we must pay much closer attention
to what we have heard, so thatwe do not drift away from it.
For if the word spoken throughangels proved unalterable, and
every transgression anddisobedience received a just
penalty, how will we escape ifwe neglect so great a salvation?
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After it was at the first spokenthrough the Lord, it was
confirmed to us by those whoheard.
God also testifying with them,both by signs and wonders, and
by various miracles, and bygifts of the Holy Spirit
according to his own will.
SPEAKER_01 (11:43):
This first part of chapter two is a warning.
There's several warnings in thebook of Hebrews, and we need to
take these very seriously.
It's a warning to make sure thatwe do not drift away, is the
language it uses here at thebeginning of the chapter.
It says in verse 1, for thisreason, or some of the
translations say, therefore, theverse is drawing a conclusion
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based on what was explained inchapter one and says, therefore,
or for this reason, Jesus is Godand much better than the angels.
Therefore, we must pay closeattention to what we've heard
about Jesus.
He's saying, therefore, we needto be very, very careful and pay
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close attention to who Jesus isand the teachings that have been
passed down to us.
Steve, are the teachings aboutJesus worthy of us giving our
time and attention?
SPEAKER_00 (12:39):
Absolutely they are.
That's the way that we are goingto find out more about him and
God.
And the way that we're going tobe able to live our lives is by
following the teachings andunderstanding what he has given.
It's the epitome of us becomingmore Christ-like.
How is it that we can becomemore Christ-like if we haven't
learned or understood or studiedthe teachings of Jesus Christ
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Himself?
SPEAKER_01 (13:02):
What the writer here is saying is because he's God,
because he's better than theangels, then we need to pay very
close attention to what he saysand the teachings about him.
And these cautions are quiteserious.
Look at the end of verse one.
He gives us a specific warning.
Steve, what is the warningabout?
What's the risk here that he'scautioning us about?
SPEAKER_00 (13:25):
He's cautioning here about drifting away.
The Greek word behind this word,drift, is like a boat that is
moored and the ropes are off ofit.
Just through the action of thetide or something else, it just
slowly drifts away from the dockthat it's been moored to.
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He's given a caution here sothat we need to pay attention.
We need to be alert.
We need to understand thosethings that they've heard from
the eyewitnesses that were withJesus when during his ministry
here on earth so that we don'tdrift away, we being the Hebrew
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believers, so that we don'tdrift away from it.
We get kind of a picture throughthat word of it's not something
of a quick departure orsomething of a very, you know,
turning away from it all of asudden.
It's something of just a driftaway from it.
Well, how would that happen?
It would happen by just notpaying attention of what the
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eyewitnesses have talked about,the epistles that have been
written, other things that talkabout Jesus' Christ, the life,
his ministry, that through aneglect of studying those,
reading about them, just slowlyover a period of time, we just
drift away from the truthbecause we're no longer
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believing in or staying in thetruth on a day-to-day basis.
SPEAKER_01 (14:56):
What he's saying here in the flow of thought is
exactly what you were saying,Steve, in chapter one.
Because Jesus is God Almighty,then therefore we need to be
very careful to pay attention tothe teachings that have been
passed down to us about him.
This is quite serious.
Because his revelation isbetter, then the responsibility
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to stay true to it is greater.
We have been given a great,grand, glorious teaching about
the Lord Jesus Christ, and weare weak clay vessels, and we
leak and we let in some foreignthings sometimes.
So he's telling us to be verycareful.
We have a golden teaching in anold clay pot, that namely you
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and I.
So therefore, what he's sayingis that we need to be very
careful and pay close attentionto what was handed down to us so
that we don't drift away fromit.
Now, Steve, how common has itbeen in the church age for
people to drift away from thetruth?
SPEAKER_00 (16:02):
Well, I think that it's been really more common
than what we like to believe.
And as I pointed out before, itjust happens by people not
reading the scriptures andunderstanding the scriptures.
They depend on other people tointerpret the scriptures for
them.
They go to their churches maybeon a Sunday morning, and then
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they don't do anything duringthe week in order to study the
scriptures on their own.
If they're really consistent,they might go back the following
Sunday.
But when you look at it, that atbest is hearing 30 minutes of
the Word of God.
If they happen to belong to asmall group, then they have
another 30 minutes.
So that's an hour out of sevendays of a week that they're
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actually hearing the word of Godand the teaching from it.
And so I think it's more commonthan we'd like to admit that
people drift away from itbecause they're just not putting
enough of the word in theirlife.
We have a responsibility.
You just mentioned it a whileago.
We have been given a great giftby having the word of God here
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that we can learn about andstudy about God.
If we just go to church and hearan hour's worth of the scripture
each week, then I think that youcould possibly put that into the
category of neglect.
Neglecting the word of God forthe rest of the period of time
of the week, one hour a week isreally not, in my opinion,
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enough time in order to be ableto learn more about God, become
more Christ-like, and to be ableto resist the temptations of
this world.
SPEAKER_01 (17:42):
We can be fairly sure that people in churches can
and do drift away simply becausewe see it in our day, and also
because even before the NewTestament was finished being
written, there were falseteachers that had already crept
in.
Many of the books of the NewTestament were written to
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contradict false teachers thathad already started to creep in
to the churches.
We must be constantly aware ofstaying true to what was handed
down to us and not drift away tofalse prophets and false
teachers.
One of the most common mistakesthat I've seen for people to
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drift away is not so much to bewooed away by false teachers,
although that happens, but oneof the ways is just to interpret
the Bible according to thevalues of the day, or to
interpret the Bible according towhat seems right to me.
The Old Testament has a passagethat says, there is a way that
seems right to a man, but theend thereof is death.
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We take our internal feelings onwhat we think is right, or we
take our cultural glasses and weview the scripture through
colored glasses of our ownculture and we misinterpret the
Bible.
And what this is telling us todo here at the first part of
Hebrews 2 is to be very carefulthat we don't drift away.
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As you said, Steve, it's adrift.
The current takes us away or thewind slowly blows us away.
It's not a wake up one day andyou're way downstream.
It's I slowly drifted and Ididn't realize it.
Step by step, I went little bylittle, then I was way
downstream.
I was way off track.
According to verse one, it tellsus how we are to make sure we
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don't drift away from the truth.
Steve, what does it say in verseone?
What's the way to make sure wedon't drift away?
SPEAKER_00 (19:38):
To pay closer attention to what they have
heard.
As I mentioned before, this isthe hearing of the apostles, the
ones that were eyewitnesses toJesus' ministry.
We have that in the form of thefour gospels and also some of
the other books like 1 John and1st and 2 Peter.
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Both of those were people thatwere eyewitnesses to Jesus
Christ Himself.
And of course, Paul, while hewasn't a direct apostle there,
he will live during the time ofJesus, and he had obviously
heard of Jesus as well.
Here the writer is being veryclear to pay closer attention to
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what they had heard from thosepeople who were eyewitnesses
from Jesus that had been passeddown his teachings.
SPEAKER_01 (20:32):
In verse 2, it says that the word given in the past
through angels, and angels justmeans messengers, that word was
binding on us, unalterable, ourtranslation says.
And the point he's making isthat therefore this teaching
about Christ is of utmostimportance.
If the old revelation giventhrough God's angels and
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messengers was binding upon us,how much more this new teaching
about Jesus?
The theme of the book of Hebrewsis contrasting Jesus with the
Old Testament.
Since the former message wasbinding on us, the new
revelation is of so much moreand so much more critical for
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us.
Steve, I have a question fromverse three.
It says, How will we escape ifwe neglect so great a salvation?
Steve, how will we escape if weneglect the message of Christ?
SPEAKER_00 (21:27):
Well, the key thing to say here is that the writer
is not saying that they havelost their salvation if they
drift away.
He is clearly putting them inthe classification that they
have salvation.
He's saying, how will we escapeif we neglect so great a
salvation?
The neglect or all the thingsthat we were just talking about,
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that we don't study the word andwe don't understand the
teachings of Jesus Christ and etcetera, that have been left to
us, and we just drift away fromthem.
That's the neglect that we have.
There needs to be a purpose inour lives to study and to find
out more about God and JesusChrist.
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I think that's the warning therethat he has there.
How will we escape if we neglectso great a salvation?
You know, the Jewish people wereunder judgment from Jesus
whenever they rejected him,whenever the leadership rejected
him and declared that hismiracles were being done by
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Beelzebub, by Satan himself.
Jesus said that was theunpardonable sin, the
blaspheming of the Holy Spirit.
He also told his disciples whenthey were asking about the
buildings in the last age, hesaid that none of these stones
of the temple were going tostand on one another, that they
were all going to be torn down.
There's an impending judgmentthat's coming.
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Now, it didn't come until 70 AD,several years after this book of
Hebrews was written, but thereis an impending judgment that is
coming on that rejection ofJesus Christ.
The writer's going to make aconnection a little bit later
here of this argument that therewere irreversible decisions that
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the Jewish people had made inthe past and that they had to go
through those periods ofjudgment.
I think that's possibly whathe's referring to here.
He's telling them to stay fast.
They were thinking possibly ofgoing back under Judaism because
of the persecutions that theywere facing.
He's giving them reasons whythey should stay steadfast with
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Jesus Christ that he is theright person, the Messiah, and
that he is the one that theyhave followed and chosen to
follow, and that he's thecorrect one not to go back under
Judaism because there is someimpending judgment that is going
to be coming at some point forthis rejection of Jesus Christ.
We know it to be the destructionof Jerusalem and the destruction
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of the temple.
They didn't know specificallywhat the judgment was, but there
was an understanding that therewas going to be some sort of a
judgment for this rejection ofJesus Christ by the leadership.
SPEAKER_01 (24:12):
Notice here the question exactly how it's
phrased.
How will we escape if we neglectso great a salvation?
Notice it uses the word neglectand not reject.
Now, there certainly are peoplethat actively reject Christ.
We know that's true.
But the word neglect tends tohave a meaning of just passively
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letting it by.
I'm negligent.
I'm neglecting things becauseI'm not paying attention.
So if we ask the question, arethere people today that are just
very uncaring about Jesus?
That just think that otherthings are more important.
They may know about Jesus, butthey just don't think he's very
important compared to all therest of the things of life.
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Well, yeah, there are peoplethat neglect Jesus.
The world is full of people thatjust merely neglect to pay
attention to Jesus' message ofthe good news.
And they are missing thesalvation.
That's what it's saying here.
If you're just thinking thatJesus is not important, how are
you going to see the salvation?
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Because it's going to pass youby.
Really, I think we can applythis idea of neglect or being
negligent to two differentpeople, those outside the church
and those inside the church.
So, Steve, if we look at peopleoutside the church, if they were
to neglect God's loving way tosalvation, is there a way to
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escape God's wrath andpunishment?
SPEAKER_00 (25:42):
There is always going to be a consequence to the
decisions we make.
We made that clear through someof the studies of our other
books that we can control thedecisions we make, but we can't
control the consequences ofthose decisions.
What's meant by that is if we doneglect Jesus Christ and the
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teachings that he has, then weare prone to make some decisions
that will lead us down a wrongpath into a situation where
there's going to be toughconsequences to those decisions.
Now, this doesn't have anythingto do with our salvation.
Once we are justified anddeclared righteous, we have our
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salvation.
But as we go through our life ofbecoming more Christ-like, we
make those decisions.
Are we going to follow Christ'steachings or are we not going to
follow them?
And I think that's one of thethings that the writer is
talking about here.
If the writings of the angelsgiven were binding and were
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unalterable, then how much morethe teachings of Jesus Christ
himself, not just about Jesus,but about what he taught
himself.
If we neglect that, if we don'tunderstand them, that's what
happens whenever you neglectthem, then we're going to make
some decisions that are going tolead us to an area, some
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consequences that are going tobring some judgment on us.
Not judgment for salvation, butjudgment for consequences here
on earth.
This is again leading up to whatthe writer is going to make in
his argument here, that therewere some decisions that the
forefathers made in the past,which had tremendous
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consequences on them, and theyhad to fill out those
consequences that were madebecause of the decisions they
made.
He's making the argument of staysteadfast, don't drift, don't
neglect these teachings of JesusChrist that's have been given to
you.
SPEAKER_01 (27:43):
I think this question, how shall we escape if
we neglect so great a salvation?
That question can be applied totwo different groups, I think.
We can look the people that areoutside the church that don't
believe in Christ, and we cansay, Jesus said, I am the way.
No one comes to the Father butthrough me, John 14, 6.
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And so there is only one way.
Jesus taught that the rest ofthe scriptures all teach there's
one way to salvation and theywon't escape.
It says, received a justpenalty.
It says at the end of verse 2here.
There's a just penalty becauseof our past sins.
But I think this also can saythings to those of us that are
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inside the church.
There are people inside thechurch that just drift.
They don't really anchorthemselves to the rock.
They blow with the winds ofdoctrine.
Even if we're Christians, if weneglect the word of God, if we
neglect the deeper things aboutChrist, then we will drift away
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from it, it says in verse one,and we won't escape God's hand
of discipline, what it's sayinghere in verse three.
I think even inside the churchthat we've seen, just our
experience tells us there'speople that don't spend enough
time really trying to get out oftheir culture and look at the
true teachings of Christ so thatwe will be anchored down to the
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truth.
Because of that, they driftaway.
The last half of verse two,they're not going to get away
with it.
Every transgression, it says,and every disobedience will
receive a just penalty.
That's true for lost sinnersoutside the church.
And my friend, we cannot saythat just because I'm inside the
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church and I've named the nameof Jesus, then I can go live
like the devil.
There are churches that acceptdoctrines that there's no way to
say it except they're demonic,that they're teaching inside
their churches.
We will not get away.
Israel didn't get away with it,and we will not either.
Salvation from sin hasreconciled us to God, but we
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will still have a judgment day.
The Bhima seed of Christ willcome.
And the Implications of howshall we escape if we neglect
it.
There's only one way to besaved.
Every disobedience receives ajust penalty.
Steve, I think that's just avery serious idea here.
As I said, we were up in theclouds with this very heady
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teachings about Christ, but hetakes this strong steel cable
and anchors us down to a veryserious point, is that we will
not escape if we neglect thesegrand teachings.
SPEAKER_00 (30:29):
I think that is a teaching that is neglected in
itself in our day and age, thatthere is going to be
consequences to the decisionsthat we make here.
Too many times we just talkabout Jesus and the love that he
has and that God loves us alland that God wants us to be
prosperous and he wants us to behealthy and wealthy and things
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like that without telling theconsequences of some of the
decisions.
Again, not associated with oursalvation, but associated with
the life that we're living hereon earth.
SPEAKER_01 (31:02):
We probably should stop for today because of time,
but we're going to ask you totune in next time because
there's still some teachingshere in verses three and four.
We're going to explore someconcepts about spiritual gifts.
Be back with us next time as wecontinue to reason through the
book of Hebrews.
SPEAKER_00 (31:20):
Thank you so much for watching and listening.
May God bless you.
Welcome to Reasoning Through the Bible.
Today we are in the book ofHebrews in chapter one.
If you were with us last time,we've been breathing some
rarefied air, some very richtheological teachings about the
Lord Jesus.
This is a wonderful book, andit's very deep, very profound.
He spends a lot of the booksoaring around the heights,
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talking about who is this manJesus.
We saw last time the writerlifts him up higher than the
angels, all the way up to thethrone of God.
We saw that he speaks of Christas the Son.
He accepts worship.
The deity of Christ is strong inHebrews chapter one.
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Today we're not finished withthese lofty teachings about
Christ.
We're going to start in Hebrewschapter one, starting in verse
10.
And Steve, can you read down toverse 14?
SPEAKER_00 (01:14):
You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of
the earth, and the heavens arethe works of your hands.
They will perish, but youremain, and they all will become
old like a garment, and like amantle you will roll them up.
Like a garment they will also bechanged.
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But you are the same, and youryears will not come to an end.
But to which of the angels hashe ever said, Sit at my right
hand until I make your enemies afootstool for your feet?
Are they not all ministeringspirits sent out to render
service for the sake of thosewho will inherit salvation?
SPEAKER_01 (01:54):
With this, again, the writer of Hebrews is quoting
the Old Testament.
He's very adept at quoting OldTestament passages.
Here, verse 10 is quoting Psalm102, starting in verse 25.
He is again giving very loftypraise to the Lord Jesus.
Here in Hebrews 110, he'sspeaking, of course, about
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Christ.
He says, You Lord.
So, Steve, what is thesignificance here at verse 10 of
speaking of Jesus as Lord?
SPEAKER_00 (02:24):
As we pointed out before, everywhere we see
L-O-R-D capitalized in thetranslation that we're using,
the Hebrew word behind that isYahweh, Y-H-W-H.
He's saying something herethat's very personable.
You, Yahweh, in the beginninglaid the foundation of the
earth.
I think that's the significance,is that there's not just a God
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out there that is the creator ofeverything.
That God has a name, and hisname is Yahweh.
His name is Yahweh.
SPEAKER_01 (02:57):
He came to earth and took on humanity and called
himself Jesus.
It is the you here is Jesus.
You, Yahweh, Jesus in thebeginning laid the foundations.
It's not only claiming thatJesus is Yahweh, but it's
reinforcing the idea that Jesuslaid the foundations of the
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earth.
God created the world, createdthe universe, and Jesus was God.
That's what it's saying here.
Jesus created the universe.
It's saying that Jesus is theYahweh that was already existing
in the beginning.
Genesis 1.1 speaks of God asalready there.
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That's what it's saying here isthat Jesus was in the beginning.
John 1 1 opens the same.
He was in the beginning.
And it says the heavens are thework of your hands.
Jesus is the creator of all thatexists, the heavens and the
earth.
Jesus is the organizer anddesigner of the heavens.
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All the intricacies, all thesize, all the astronomical
wonders are the work of thehands of this lowly carpenter,
Jesus.
All the heavenly throne room,all the heavenly cherubim and
seraphim, all of the heavenlythrones and works and clouds.
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And just remember when we wentthrough the first chapter of
Ezekiel, we saw wheels withinwheels and the beings with four
faces.
Jesus created all of that.
All of the heavenly things andthe earthly things are the
creation of Jesus.
Steve, it's just quite amazing.
And it's a very, very headyteaching that we have here.
SPEAKER_00 (04:48):
Even though this is a song from the Old Testament,
it's matching up with a coupleof New Testament books in both
the first chapter of John andthe first chapter of Colossians.
It says there very clearly thatthe world was created by Jesus
himself, and that the world wascreated for him, by him, and
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that it's also sustained by him.
In John, it says, In thebeginning was the word, and the
word was with God, and the wordwas God.
I think it's given a goodpicture here of the deity of
Jesus Christ.
It's not just in the NewTestament, we see it depicted
here in this psalm of the OldTestament, Psalm 110.
SPEAKER_01 (05:33):
Hebrews 111 says, They will perish, speaking of
all of the heavenly beings andheavenly things.
They will perish, but youremain.
So the question is, will Jesusever perish?
Will he ever come to an end?
And what is the implications ofthat?
SPEAKER_00 (05:50):
Well, if he's God, no, he won't ever perish, and he
won't ever come to an end.
He's everlasting.
That's the implications of it.
Short answer is to no, he won'tperish.
SPEAKER_01 (06:01):
There's only one being that will not perish, and
that is the Lord God Almighty.
And this passage is claimingthat is Jesus.
Jesus is everlasting.
He was from the beginning, John1:1.
Jesus will never perish.
His years will not come to anend, it says here in verse 12.
Jesus is, quote, fromeverlasting to everlasting,
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Psalm 90, verse 2.
I think this is quite profound.
Steve, do people today needsomething that's solid, that's
not going to change, that theycan depend on, that won't fail,
something that's permanent.
Do people long for that today?
SPEAKER_00 (06:41):
Isn't that why Jesus is described as our rock, our
firm foundation?
Everybody needs something solidto stand on and something that
is solid to be able to lean onand to be behind them,
underneath them.
Jesus fits that description justperfectly because he is God, and
also because he has come hereand has fully man and fully God,
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he can relate to us and know thethings that we have gone
through.
So I just think that he is aperfect example of somebody that
we can lean on and trust andbelieve in, and that he's always
going to be there for us.
SPEAKER_01 (07:22):
In verse 12, the teachings about how grand Jesus
is, they just keep coming andcoming.
Verse 12 again is speaking ofall the creation, all of the
earth and all of the heavens.
It says, like a mantle you willroll them up, like a garment,
they will also be changed.
Not only did Jesus put up theuniverse, but he'll take it down
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again.
He's going to roll up thecreated world like an old
garment.
It says he is in control ofputting it up and taking it down
again.
The heavens will change, but hewill be the same and will always
be there.
You are the same, it says.
Jesus does not change.
God is immutable, is the termthat the theologians put on it.
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He is the same yesterday, today,and forever.
It says in Hebrews 13, 8.11 heresays the writer again tells us
Jesus is sitting at the righthand of the Father, which means
Jesus is God that we mentionedin a previous session.
If he's sitting at the righthand of the Father, only royalty
sits.
And it gets reinforced here.
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Verse 14, quote, are they notall ministering spirits,
speaking about the angels?
Angels were created asministering spirits for God's
purposes.
Angel just means messenger.
Angels are for our benefit, orthey render service for our
sake.
Angels were held up in the Bibleas the greatest of the heavenly
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creation, more powerful thanpeople.
One of the main messages in thebook of Hebrews, especially here
in chapter one, is that Jesus isabove all the created things.
He is better than the angels.
Such a wonderful chapter.
We are hard pressed to do itjustice.
We sit in awe of the majesty ofthese lofty ideas.
SPEAKER_00 (09:15):
I was just fixing to mention that.
This is in the section where thewriter is addressing the angels
and that Jesus is above theangels.
This is one of the areas ofJudaism.
They looked for angels, theylooked at Moses, and they looked
at the Levitical priesthood asthree pillars of their belief
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system.
All of the things that theyassociated with the angels, the
angels were, of course, weremessengers that came directly
from God to visit them, to helpthem at different times.
It even says at some point thatthe angels were part of the
giving of the law to Moses onMount Sinai.
The writer is going out of hisway here to give a good
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depiction of who Jesus Christis, that he's God Himself and
He's the creator of all things,which includes the angels.
He's directly going to this areaof a pillar of Judaism for these
Hebrews to assure them that whothey have placed their faith and
trust in is God Himself.
SPEAKER_01 (10:17):
The entire book really speaks of Jesus as being
better.
And it gives this hugely grandspectacle of who Jesus is.
It's very heady atmosphere, veryrarefied air that we're
breathing, especially in chapterone.
It can really make you a bitlightheaded, breathing all of
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this wonderful teaching.
Well, the author knew this, andstarting at the beginning of
chapter two, he takes a strongsteel cable and anchors it back
down to the ground and makessure that we do not drift away.
Periodically in this book, hegives some very practical,
down-to-earth warnings.
That's what we find the first ofhere at the beginning of chapter
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two.
Steve, can you read the firstfour verses of Hebrews 2?
SPEAKER_00 (11:04):
For this reason, we must pay much closer attention
to what we have heard, so thatwe do not drift away from it.
For if the word spoken throughangels proved unalterable, and
every transgression anddisobedience received a just
penalty, how will we escape ifwe neglect so great a salvation?
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After it was at the first spokenthrough the Lord, it was
confirmed to us by those whoheard.
God also testifying with them,both by signs and wonders, and
by various miracles, and bygifts of the Holy Spirit
according to his own will.
SPEAKER_01 (11:43):
This first part of chapter two is a warning.
There's several warnings in thebook of Hebrews, and we need to
take these very seriously.
It's a warning to make sure thatwe do not drift away, is the
language it uses here at thebeginning of the chapter.
It says in verse 1, for thisreason, or some of the
translations say, therefore, theverse is drawing a conclusion
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based on what was explained inchapter one and says, therefore,
or for this reason, Jesus is Godand much better than the angels.
Therefore, we must pay closeattention to what we've heard
about Jesus.
He's saying, therefore, we needto be very, very careful and pay
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close attention to who Jesus isand the teachings that have been
passed down to us.
Steve, are the teachings aboutJesus worthy of us giving our
time and attention?
SPEAKER_00 (12:39):
Absolutely they are.
That's the way that we are goingto find out more about him and
God.
And the way that we're going tobe able to live our lives is by
following the teachings andunderstanding what he has given.
It's the epitome of us becomingmore Christ-like.
How is it that we can becomemore Christ-like if we haven't
learned or understood or studiedthe teachings of Jesus Christ
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Himself?
SPEAKER_01 (13:02):
What the writer here is saying is because he's God,
because he's better than theangels, then we need to pay very
close attention to what he saysand the teachings about him.
And these cautions are quiteserious.
Look at the end of verse one.
He gives us a specific warning.
Steve, what is the warningabout?
What's the risk here that he'scautioning us about?
SPEAKER_00 (13:25):
He's cautioning here about drifting away.
The Greek word behind this word,drift, is like a boat that is
moored and the ropes are off ofit.
Just through the action of thetide or something else, it just
slowly drifts away from the dockthat it's been moored to.
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He's given a caution here sothat we need to pay attention.
We need to be alert.
We need to understand thosethings that they've heard from
the eyewitnesses that were withJesus when during his ministry
here on earth so that we don'tdrift away, we being the Hebrew
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believers, so that we don'tdrift away from it.
We get kind of a picture throughthat word of it's not something
of a quick departure orsomething of a very, you know,
turning away from it all of asudden.
It's something of just a driftaway from it.
Well, how would that happen?
It would happen by just notpaying attention of what the
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eyewitnesses have talked about,the epistles that have been
written, other things that talkabout Jesus' Christ, the life,
his ministry, that through aneglect of studying those,
reading about them, just slowlyover a period of time, we just
drift away from the truthbecause we're no longer
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believing in or staying in thetruth on a day-to-day basis.
SPEAKER_01 (14:56):
What he's saying here in the flow of thought is
exactly what you were saying,Steve, in chapter one.
Because Jesus is God Almighty,then therefore we need to be
very careful to pay attention tothe teachings that have been
passed down to us about him.
This is quite serious.
Because his revelation isbetter, then the responsibility
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to stay true to it is greater.
We have been given a great,grand, glorious teaching about
the Lord Jesus Christ, and weare weak clay vessels, and we
leak and we let in some foreignthings sometimes.
So he's telling us to be verycareful.
We have a golden teaching in anold clay pot, that namely you
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and I.
So therefore, what he's sayingis that we need to be very
careful and pay close attentionto what was handed down to us so
that we don't drift away fromit.
Now, Steve, how common has itbeen in the church age for
people to drift away from thetruth?
SPEAKER_00 (16:02):
Well, I think that it's been really more common
than what we like to believe.
And as I pointed out before, itjust happens by people not
reading the scriptures andunderstanding the scriptures.
They depend on other people tointerpret the scriptures for
them.
They go to their churches maybeon a Sunday morning, and then
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they don't do anything duringthe week in order to study the
scriptures on their own.
If they're really consistent,they might go back the following
Sunday.
But when you look at it, that atbest is hearing 30 minutes of
the Word of God.
If they happen to belong to asmall group, then they have
another 30 minutes.
So that's an hour out of sevendays of a week that they're
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actually hearing the word of Godand the teaching from it.
And so I think it's more commonthan we'd like to admit that
people drift away from itbecause they're just not putting
enough of the word in theirlife.
We have a responsibility.
You just mentioned it a whileago.
We have been given a great giftby having the word of God here
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that we can learn about andstudy about God.
If we just go to church and hearan hour's worth of the scripture
each week, then I think that youcould possibly put that into the
category of neglect.
Neglecting the word of God forthe rest of the period of time
of the week, one hour a week isreally not, in my opinion,
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enough time in order to be ableto learn more about God, become
more Christ-like, and to be ableto resist the temptations of
this world.
SPEAKER_01 (17:42):
We can be fairly sure that people in churches can
and do drift away simply becausewe see it in our day, and also
because even before the NewTestament was finished being
written, there were falseteachers that had already crept
in.
Many of the books of the NewTestament were written to
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contradict false teachers thathad already started to creep in
to the churches.
We must be constantly aware ofstaying true to what was handed
down to us and not drift away tofalse prophets and false
teachers.
One of the most common mistakesthat I've seen for people to
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drift away is not so much to bewooed away by false teachers,
although that happens, but oneof the ways is just to interpret
the Bible according to thevalues of the day, or to
interpret the Bible according towhat seems right to me.
The Old Testament has a passagethat says, there is a way that
seems right to a man, but theend thereof is death.
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We take our internal feelings onwhat we think is right, or we
take our cultural glasses and weview the scripture through
colored glasses of our ownculture and we misinterpret the
Bible.
And what this is telling us todo here at the first part of
Hebrews 2 is to be very carefulthat we don't drift away.
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As you said, Steve, it's adrift.
The current takes us away or thewind slowly blows us away.
It's not a wake up one day andyou're way downstream.
It's I slowly drifted and Ididn't realize it.
Step by step, I went little bylittle, then I was way
downstream.
I was way off track.
According to verse one, it tellsus how we are to make sure we
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don't drift away from the truth.
Steve, what does it say in verseone?
What's the way to make sure wedon't drift away?
SPEAKER_00 (19:38):
To pay closer attention to what they have
heard.
As I mentioned before, this isthe hearing of the apostles, the
ones that were eyewitnesses toJesus' ministry.
We have that in the form of thefour gospels and also some of
the other books like 1 John and1st and 2 Peter.
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Both of those were people thatwere eyewitnesses to Jesus
Christ Himself.
And of course, Paul, while hewasn't a direct apostle there,
he will live during the time ofJesus, and he had obviously
heard of Jesus as well.
Here the writer is being veryclear to pay closer attention to
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what they had heard from thosepeople who were eyewitnesses
from Jesus that had been passeddown his teachings.
SPEAKER_01 (20:32):
In verse 2, it says that the word given in the past
through angels, and angels justmeans messengers, that word was
binding on us, unalterable, ourtranslation says.
And the point he's making isthat therefore this teaching
about Christ is of utmostimportance.
If the old revelation giventhrough God's angels and
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messengers was binding upon us,how much more this new teaching
about Jesus?
The theme of the book of Hebrewsis contrasting Jesus with the
Old Testament.
Since the former message wasbinding on us, the new
revelation is of so much moreand so much more critical for
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us.
Steve, I have a question fromverse three.
It says, How will we escape ifwe neglect so great a salvation?
Steve, how will we escape if weneglect the message of Christ?
SPEAKER_00 (21:27):
Well, the key thing to say here is that the writer
is not saying that they havelost their salvation if they
drift away.
He is clearly putting them inthe classification that they
have salvation.
He's saying, how will we escapeif we neglect so great a
salvation?
The neglect or all the thingsthat we were just talking about,
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that we don't study the word andwe don't understand the
teachings of Jesus Christ and etcetera, that have been left to
us, and we just drift away fromthem.
That's the neglect that we have.
There needs to be a purpose inour lives to study and to find
out more about God and JesusChrist.
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I think that's the warning therethat he has there.
How will we escape if we neglectso great a salvation?
You know, the Jewish people wereunder judgment from Jesus
whenever they rejected him,whenever the leadership rejected
him and declared that hismiracles were being done by
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Beelzebub, by Satan himself.
Jesus said that was theunpardonable sin, the
blaspheming of the Holy Spirit.
He also told his disciples whenthey were asking about the
buildings in the last age, hesaid that none of these stones
of the temple were going tostand on one another, that they
were all going to be torn down.
There's an impending judgmentthat's coming.
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Now, it didn't come until 70 AD,several years after this book of
Hebrews was written, but thereis an impending judgment that is
coming on that rejection ofJesus Christ.
The writer's going to make aconnection a little bit later
here of this argument that therewere irreversible decisions that
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the Jewish people had made inthe past and that they had to go
through those periods ofjudgment.
I think that's possibly whathe's referring to here.
He's telling them to stay fast.
They were thinking possibly ofgoing back under Judaism because
of the persecutions that theywere facing.
He's giving them reasons whythey should stay steadfast with
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Jesus Christ that he is theright person, the Messiah, and
that he is the one that theyhave followed and chosen to
follow, and that he's thecorrect one not to go back under
Judaism because there is someimpending judgment that is going
to be coming at some point forthis rejection of Jesus Christ.
We know it to be the destructionof Jerusalem and the destruction
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of the temple.
They didn't know specificallywhat the judgment was, but there
was an understanding that therewas going to be some sort of a
judgment for this rejection ofJesus Christ by the leadership.
SPEAKER_01 (24:12):
Notice here the question exactly how it's
phrased.
How will we escape if we neglectso great a salvation?
Notice it uses the word neglectand not reject.
Now, there certainly are peoplethat actively reject Christ.
We know that's true.
But the word neglect tends tohave a meaning of just passively
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letting it by.
I'm negligent.
I'm neglecting things becauseI'm not paying attention.
So if we ask the question, arethere people today that are just
very uncaring about Jesus?
That just think that otherthings are more important.
They may know about Jesus, butthey just don't think he's very
important compared to all therest of the things of life.
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Well, yeah, there are peoplethat neglect Jesus.
The world is full of people thatjust merely neglect to pay
attention to Jesus' message ofthe good news.
And they are missing thesalvation.
That's what it's saying here.
If you're just thinking thatJesus is not important, how are
you going to see the salvation?
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Because it's going to pass youby.
Really, I think we can applythis idea of neglect or being
negligent to two differentpeople, those outside the church
and those inside the church.
So, Steve, if we look at peopleoutside the church, if they were
to neglect God's loving way tosalvation, is there a way to
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escape God's wrath andpunishment?
SPEAKER_00 (25:42):
There is always going to be a consequence to the
decisions we make.
We made that clear through someof the studies of our other
books that we can control thedecisions we make, but we can't
control the consequences ofthose decisions.
What's meant by that is if we doneglect Jesus Christ and the
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teachings that he has, then weare prone to make some decisions
that will lead us down a wrongpath into a situation where
there's going to be toughconsequences to those decisions.
Now, this doesn't have anythingto do with our salvation.
Once we are justified anddeclared righteous, we have our
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salvation.
But as we go through our life ofbecoming more Christ-like, we
make those decisions.
Are we going to follow Christ'steachings or are we not going to
follow them?
And I think that's one of thethings that the writer is
talking about here.
If the writings of the angelsgiven were binding and were
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unalterable, then how much morethe teachings of Jesus Christ
himself, not just about Jesus,but about what he taught
himself.
If we neglect that, if we don'tunderstand them, that's what
happens whenever you neglectthem, then we're going to make
some decisions that are going tolead us to an area, some
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consequences that are going tobring some judgment on us.
Not judgment for salvation, butjudgment for consequences here
on earth.
This is again leading up to whatthe writer is going to make in
his argument here, that therewere some decisions that the
forefathers made in the past,which had tremendous
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consequences on them, and theyhad to fill out those
consequences that were madebecause of the decisions they
made.
He's making the argument of staysteadfast, don't drift, don't
neglect these teachings of JesusChrist that's have been given to
you.
SPEAKER_01 (27:43):
I think this question, how shall we escape if
we neglect so great a salvation?
That question can be applied totwo different groups, I think.
We can look the people that areoutside the church that don't
believe in Christ, and we cansay, Jesus said, I am the way.
No one comes to the Father butthrough me, John 14, 6.
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And so there is only one way.
Jesus taught that the rest ofthe scriptures all teach there's
one way to salvation and theywon't escape.
It says, received a justpenalty.
It says at the end of verse 2here.
There's a just penalty becauseof our past sins.
But I think this also can saythings to those of us that are
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inside the church.
There are people inside thechurch that just drift.
They don't really anchorthemselves to the rock.
They blow with the winds ofdoctrine.
Even if we're Christians, if weneglect the word of God, if we
neglect the deeper things aboutChrist, then we will drift away
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from it, it says in verse one,and we won't escape God's hand
of discipline, what it's sayinghere in verse three.
I think even inside the churchthat we've seen, just our
experience tells us there'speople that don't spend enough
time really trying to get out oftheir culture and look at the
true teachings of Christ so thatwe will be anchored down to the
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truth.
Because of that, they driftaway.
The last half of verse two,they're not going to get away
with it.
Every transgression, it says,and every disobedience will
receive a just penalty.
That's true for lost sinnersoutside the church.
And my friend, we cannot saythat just because I'm inside the
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church and I've named the nameof Jesus, then I can go live
like the devil.
There are churches that acceptdoctrines that there's no way to
say it except they're demonic,that they're teaching inside
their churches.
We will not get away.
Israel didn't get away with it,and we will not either.
Salvation from sin hasreconciled us to God, but we
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will still have a judgment day.
The Bhima seed of Christ willcome.
And the Implications of howshall we escape if we neglect
it.
There's only one way to besaved.
Every disobedience receives ajust penalty.
Steve, I think that's just avery serious idea here.
As I said, we were up in theclouds with this very heady
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teachings about Christ, but hetakes this strong steel cable
and anchors us down to a veryserious point, is that we will
not escape if we neglect thesegrand teachings.
SPEAKER_00 (30:29):
I think that is a teaching that is neglected in
itself in our day and age, thatthere is going to be
consequences to the decisionsthat we make here.
Too many times we just talkabout Jesus and the love that he
has and that God loves us alland that God wants us to be
prosperous and he wants us to behealthy and wealthy and things
(30:51):
like that without telling theconsequences of some of the
decisions.
Again, not associated with oursalvation, but associated with
the life that we're living hereon earth.
SPEAKER_01 (31:02):
We probably should stop for today because of time,
but we're going to ask you totune in next time because
there's still some teachingshere in verses three and four.
We're going to explore someconcepts about spiritual gifts.
Be back with us next time as wecontinue to reason through the
book of Hebrews.
SPEAKER_00 (31:20):
Thank you so much for watching and listening.
May God bless you.
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