November 17, 2025 • 35 mins
What if the center of the universe isn’t a concept but a Person? We walk through Hebrews chapter 2 to explore a claim that reshapes everything: all things are for and through Jesus, and He is not distant. He took on flesh, embraced suffering, and finished a rescue that breaks the fear of death. That is more than doctrine—it is a new way to live with courage, purpose, and a salvation you did not earn but can freely receive.
We trace how Scripture stacks its case. Jesus is fully God—sinless, sovereign, sustaining creation—and fully man—born, tempted, tired, and yet without sin. That union isn’t a theological curiosity; it is the only way salvation makes sense. As the author or captain of our salvation, He leads where we could not go, completes what we could not finish, and calls us brothers and sisters without shame. Sanctification becomes tangible here: to be set apart is not to become rarefied, but to be made useful, pruned for fruit, and aligned with God’s purpose.
We also tackle the hard questions around suffering. The cross did not improve Jesus; it completed the mission. And because the resurrection robbed death of its sting, the enemy’s leverage is broken. Fear loosens. Hope rises. You are invited into a story where the Creator is your kinsman redeemer, the high priest who knows your weakness and helps you in the moment of need.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:20):
In the New Testament book of Colossians, it lifts up
Jesus Christ to as high as hecan be lifted.
The book is really a glory ofJesus book.
And we're right in the midst ofit.
We're talking about who Jesus isand why he should be lifted up.
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If you have your Bible open tothe book of Hebrews, chapter
two, and we're today we're goingto start in verse 10.
If you were with us last time,we saw in chapter one, it goes
over and over showing that Jesusis God Almighty.
And through that, he is worthy.
He is greater, superior to theprophets.
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And in chapter two, we've seenhere that he is also man.
That's what is so amazing isthat our Lord is both God and
man.
Well, today we're gonna see evenmore ways to lift up Jesus, how
he is increasingly important.
Steve, can you start in Hebrewschapter two and read from verses
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10 through verses 13?
SPEAKER_01 (01:29):
For it was fitting for him, for whom are all
things, and through whom are allthings, in bringing many sons to
glory, to perfect the author oftheir salvation through
sufferings.
For both he who sanctifies andthose who are sanctified are all
from one Father, for whichreason he is not ashamed to call
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them brethren, saying, I willproclaim your name to my
brethren, in the midst of thecongregation, I will sing your
praise, and again I will put mytrust in him, and again, behold,
I, the children whom God hasgiven me.
SPEAKER_00 (02:11):
With this, verse 10 tells us that Jesus is the most
important being.
All things are made for him andthrough him.
He is the purpose of creation.
Steve, when it says all things,how many things are included?
SPEAKER_01 (02:28):
I think that it means that all things are.
I think that goes to theuniverse, it goes to creation
itself and to the small thingsof the one-celled bacteria all
the way up to the grand thingsof the universe, as I just
mentioned.
All things are all things.
Everything was created by himand for him.
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I think that he has a vestedinterest.
SPEAKER_00 (02:52):
He says several times now in this book that
Jesus is the purpose and themeans by which things were
created.
Chapter 1, verse 2, the worldwas made through Jesus.
Chapter 1, verse 3, Jesusupholds all things.
Here in 210, all things weremade for and through Jesus, for
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whom and through whom all thingsexist.
The next question is then whatis the implications of all of
creation being for Jesus andthrough Jesus?
SPEAKER_01 (03:30):
I mentioned a little bit at the end of my last part
of a vested interest.
It says in a little bit furtherin verse 10 of bringing many
sons to glory and to perfect theauthor of their salvation.
To me, it's a picture of himhaving a vested interest in this
creation that he has made.
He has made us, he's given us asmankind dominion over the
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creation, or at least that wasthe original plan.
As he mentioned earlier in thechapter one, we don't have that
dominion right now.
But he's making the case thatJesus is above everything.
First, he's talking aboutangels.
Here in a little bit, he's goingto talk about Moses.
I think, Glenn, it's just apicture that it's a personal
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relationship with Jesus Christ.
His appearance and theimplications that it has with it
and everything is that he wantsto have a personal relationship
with us, with his creation.
And he wants to redeem the restof creation and redeem the
nations.
All of those things that hissacrifice achieved and the
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things that we're lookingforward to in the future, to me,
it's just all speaks of a Godthat wants to have a personable
relationship with not onlymankind, but the rest of his
creation as well.
Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_00 (04:54):
Oh, it makes a great deal of sense because Jesus is
indeed worthy of this.
He's saying here something thatis repeated over in the book of
Colossians, namely that Jesus isthe creator and the sustainer of
all things.
Jesus is the ultimate purposefor all that is.
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The heavens and the earth arefocused on Jesus as the purpose.
Jesus is the creator of allthings, He is through which all
things are made, and He is bywhich all things are made.
He sustains all things.
Why?
Well, we've already seen it herein verse 10.
Then bringing many sons toglory, which just means so that
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people who are made in the imageof God that walked away from God
can be reconciled again.
It's a love relationship.
What is the purpose for theuniverse?
It's to love Christ, and so hecan love us.
How amazing.
Later in this same book, Hebrews12, 2 says, quote, Jesus is the
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author and finisher of ourfaith.
He is the one that is not onlythe creator of the heavens and
the earth, by which and throughwhich all things are made, but
he is the beginning, the authorand the completer, the finisher
of our faith.
Our salvation is through Jesus.
How wonderful that is.
Verse 10 also says it says therethat bringing many sons to glory
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to perfect the author of theirsalvation through sufferings.
It's saying Jesus is to be madeperfect through suffering.
The sense here of the wordperfect is that he completed or
finished everyone's salvation.
Someone had to die because ofour sin.
So therefore, when he died, thenhe perfected or completed our
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salvation.
Jesus' sufferings here completedtwo very key things.
He completed the act ofproviding salvation, then he
brought glory and honor tohimself.
Remember his last words on thecross?
They were, it is finished.
He completed what he set out todo.
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When it says here that he wasmade perfect, it's it's not the
sense that he was imperfect anddid some work and now he was
perfect again.
His divine nature cannot grow,but his human nature can.
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It talks here about sufferingand how Jesus was completed or
made perfect through suffering.
Are there any benefits tosuffering?
Humans end up suffering.
Is there any benefits tosuffering?
SPEAKER_01 (08:17):
I think, Glenn, through this, the word suffering
itself, it brings up aconnotation that not good things
are happening.
I think in general, there's alldifferent types of suffering
from minor ones to prettyserious ones that will possibly
affect our physical life here onearth.
But through those sufferings,whichever kinds that we're going
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through, I think that ingeneral, they bring us closer to
God.
Because in many of them, that'swho we immediately turn to,
especially if we're believers,when we find out we're in some
sort of a situation that is outof our control or is impacting
us in a different way, we godirectly to God.
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Yes, there can be some greatthings that come out of
sufferings.
The main thing is a closerrelationship with God and Jesus
Christ, of looking to them andpraying with them and going with
them every day.
We have a recent example of ahostage that was taken by
another group of people, and hewas there for almost two years.
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Whenever he was released back tothe nation that he came from, he
s told the people as a witnessin his press briefing that the
one thing he missed was hisdaily activity with God, that
every day that he would pray toGod and reach out to God, now
that he's found himself free,that he hasn't gone away from
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God, but yet he has other peoplenow.
He has his friends and familyaround him.
Whereas when he was in captivityas a hostage in an underground
tunnel, as I said, for almosttwo years, the only contact that
he had of really consequence washis his daily talk and walk with
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God.
Yes, there are good things thatcome out of suffering, mainly
getting closer to God.
SPEAKER_00 (10:15):
If we ask the question, is there benefits to
suffering?
The answer is most definitelyyes.
It's never any fun.
It's by definition painful.
But we get things like patience.
We wouldn't learn patiencewithout going through things
where we need patience orsympathy for others.
If we were just happy andeverything's going fine all the
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time, that's very difficult tohave sympathy for others.
Suffering makes us stronger insome areas so that we can be
useful for God's service.
The New Testament says thosethat God loves, He prunes.
When I think of pruning, I usedto grow grape vines.
To make grapes, you have toprune the grapevines.
Well, sometimes those vineswould bleed sap, sometimes for a
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week or two.
It seemed to hurt them, but itmade them stronger so they could
grow more fruit.
Suffering is indeed beneficial,and God will take his children
through what he needs to do tobuild us up and to teach us
things.
We learn those throughsuffering.
It also says in verse 10 that heis the author of our salvation,
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the author of our salvation.
The old King James says captainof their salvation.
The term here is used as arepresentative head or a
trailblazer, one who makes a wayfor others to follow.
In this sense, Jesus led the wayin our salvation.
He caused our salvation.
Jesus is worthy because he isthe one who is the author or
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captain of our salvation.
Through his sufferings, hisactions made our salvation
complete.
He did it all.
He is worthy because of that.
Note that this verse is notsaying that Jesus was imperfect
and then suffered and was madeperfect.
But for example, when Godcreated the world, he became
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creator.
Before he created the world, hewas not creator.
After the world, he was creator.
Well, God's being didn't change,even though he became creator.
Same sense here.
Jesus was perfect before hesuffered and died.
But through the suffering andthe death, he became our
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sacrifice.
And to that he perfected oursalvation.
He became perfect in that sensebecause that was his role.
Now, verse 11 uses the wordsanctification.
It says, for both he whosanctifies and those who are
sanctified.
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So, Steve, what is this termsanctification?
SPEAKER_01 (13:00):
Sanctification means to set apart.
We have done a topical study onjustification, sanctification,
and glorification.
We go into a little bit moredetail of what sanctification
means.
In general, for us as believers,it's just that.
We are set apart once we becomea believer and trust in Jesus
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Christ for our salvation.
We're justified at that part.
Then we have this process ofbeing sanctified or set apart
for Him, where we go and becomemore Christ-like.
In Hebrews, the author says, forboth He who sanctifies, who sets
apart, and those who aresanctified, us are the ones, the
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believers in Him, who are setapart.
That's in general what thesanctification process is.
SPEAKER_00 (13:51):
That's exactly correct.
We think of today, churches willhave a church building, and when
they first build it, they'llhave a sanctification or
sometimes it's calledconsecration ceremony.
It just means that building isnow going to only be used for
God's purpose.
It's to be used for God's glory.
The building's just a building,but when it's set apart for
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God's purposes, then it'ssanctified.
When our lives and our work isset aside for God's purposes,
then we are sanctified.
It says there that he is theauthor of our salvation, but he
is also, he sanctifies those whoare following him, who are in
Christ.
In that sense, we are set apart.
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God is pruning us, setting usapart, making us special, not
because of anything in us, butjust because we are set apart
for his service.
It also says here at the end ofverse 11 that Jesus can call all
Christians brothers and sisters,brethren.
He is not ashamed to call thembrethren.
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I find this interesting.
Steve, have you ever thoughtabout that?
What it means to be called abrother or sister of Christ?
SPEAKER_01 (15:03):
I have a little bit.
One of the things comes to mindwith me is that he called
Abraham his friend.
So I think when he calls us asbrethren, that's a little bit of
the same type of sentiment thathe has.
It's a personal thing.
It goes back to what I mentionedearlier.
You get this sense of Jesuswanting to have a personal
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relationship with his creation.
What better way than is to callthem brethren, to call them
fellow family members?
I think it's a term ofendearment, which I kind of get
a pleasure out of.
And I'm glad that we can becalled brethren.
SPEAKER_00 (15:42):
Think of it.
He also made all of the sub-cellcreatures, all of the small
things that are microscopic inthe universe.
He made all the diversity oflife.
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He made all of the chemicalstructures and all of the
wonderful things in science.
He made all of that, but yet healso lowered himself to be
human, lowered himself below theangels, took on humanity in the
full sense of the word.
He's not ashamed to call usbrothers and sisters.
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With all of our fallibility, hewas the perfect one.
He was the glorious one.
He is the unspotted lamb thatbecame human and was in our
place and became like us in thefull sense of the word.
With all our faults and sins, hecleans us up and calls us
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family.
How wonderful that is.
As much of a sinner as I was andI am, and as much of a sinner as
you are and you were, he stilllowered himself down to be
humanity, picks us up out of themud, washes us off, invites us
up into his table, and gives usa kingly meal and calls us
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brothers and sisters, calls usfamily.
How wonderful Christ is.
Then in verses 12 and 13, theyquote three different passages
from the Old Testament.
Again, the author of Hebrews isintimately familiar with the Old
Testament.
He uses it at will to draw outimportant things.
The first quote takes a psalm ofDavid and uses it of Christ.
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It says, I will tell of yourname to my brethren.
David used it as telling Godthat he would tell people about
God.
Hebrews takes that statementfrom David and uses it to show
that Jesus considered usbrothers as sisters and he
proclaimed God to us.
Jesus told Philip in theGospels, if you have seen me,
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you've seen the Father in John14, 9.
Jesus takes the things of Godand reveals them to us.
He considers us as closepersonal family.
Think of that.
We are brethren.
This shows us the tenderpersonal parts of Jesus.
He reveals himself to us becausewe are close personal family.
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Steve, how wonderful is Christ.
SPEAKER_01 (18:20):
It's just really tremendous when you start
thinking about it because thisis in the section where he's
saying that Jesus is above theangels.
And here he is, though, sayingthat us, mankind, is worthy to
be called his brethren.
He uses the examples here fromthe Old Testament to back that
up.
I think it's really sayingthrough here, the author is
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telling the people that he'swriting to that we're above the
angels and that there's thisspecial relationship between us
and Jesus Christ, the Messiah,that is beyond a relationship
that we would ever have withangels, meaning that we really
don't have relationship with theangels.
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There's no angels that weinteract with on a regular
basis, and we're not toldthrough scripture that we're
going to be interacting withangels in a regular basis, and
they're not created like us.
We're a separate creation fromthem.
Here it is, the author is makinghis case.
Not only is Jesus above theangels, but we're brethren to
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him.
We're family to him.
I think it's just great andtremendous that we have this
status among the other thingsthat were taught through other
scriptures, epistles, that weget by being in Christ.
Here we are.
We're also to be included asbrethren, as family members with
Jesus Christ Himself.
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I think it's just reallymind-boggling in a sense.
SPEAKER_00 (19:50):
Hebrews chapter one told us that Jesus was God
Almighty, that he was superiorto the prophets.
Here in chapter two, he's begunto tell us that he was like us.
Starting in verse 14, it goeseven further to say that Jesus
was fully human.
I'm reading in Hebrews 2.14 saysthis.
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Therefore, since the childrenshare in flesh and blood, he
himself likewise also partook ofthe same, that through death he
might render powerless him whohad the power of death, that is,
the devil, and might free thosewho through fear of death were
subject to slavery all theirlives.
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For assuredly he does not givehelp to angels, but he gives
help to the descendants ofAbraham.
Therefore he had to be made likehis brethren in all things, so
that he might become a mercifuland faithful high priest in
things pertaining to God, tomake propitiation for the sins
of the people.
For since he himself was temptedin that which he has suffered,
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he is able to come to the aid ofthose who are tempted.
The first part of verse 14 makesa conclusion about Christ's
humanity.
Jesus and people share inhumanity.
SPEAKER_01 (21:18):
Mentioned in an earlier session that there's an
introduction in a way of theidea or concept of the kinsman
redeemer.
You can read about that story inthe book of Ruth that gives it
out.
Now, this was a provision thatwas supplied in the Mosaic Law
that if somebody sold themselvesinto indentured servitude, that
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they could be redeemed out ofthat by another family member.
There were three conditions.
One is that they had to be anactual family member.
A second one is that they had tohave the means to be able to do
it, to give that redemption.
And the third one was that theyhad to be willing to do it.
Here in an indirect way, I thinkthe author is making this case
because he's writing to Hebrewspeople that would know these
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laws and the conditions for akinsman redeemer and to be
redeemed.
I think it's making an indirectconnection that he is our
brethren.
He calls us brethren.
He is human in that regard.
He then has an association withus and knows about us and can in
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turn redeem us.
He can be our kinsman redeemerbecause he is not a God that's
just off at a distancesomewhere, but he is a God who
has come in the form of a fullyman and fully God and can
associate with us as mankind andas human beings.
And through that, he can providethis satisfactory sacrifice that
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he talks about a little bitfurther in the verses down
below.
SPEAKER_00 (22:54):
In this section, Hebrews chapter one and two,
what it's building a case for isthat Jesus is fully God and
fully man.
And Christian theology from thevery beginning has always taught
that Jesus is fully God in thefull sense of the word, and he's
also fully man in the full senseof the word.
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These two natures are distinct,but they're not mingled together
into some third thing that'sneither God nor man.
He has both a divine nature anda human nature, and he has to be
both of those in order to be oursavior.
Why?
Well, there's several reasons.
If he were not fully GodAlmighty, he would have
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inherited a sin nature and notbeen capable of living a sinless
life.
If he were not fully human, hewould have not qualified to be
the sacrifice to die in ourplace.
If he were not fully human, hecould have not been the high
priest that represents mankindto God.
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If he were not fully God, hewould have not been king sitting
on the throne of heaven,granting righteous judgment.
Because Jesus was both God andman, he could be the author and
finisher of our salvation.
Hebrews is going to go on torepresent Jesus as both king and
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high priest.
These first two chapters tell usthat Jesus is both God and man
and lay the groundwork for laterin the book for Jesus to be both
king and high priest.
Steve, how wonderful is Jesus?
SPEAKER_01 (24:31):
I think you can't describe him in words to think
that he would go to this lengthin order to associate himself
with us and to be thatsatisfactory sacrifice.
It puts it into perspective asto what he has done.
I'm always moved at the firstpart of John when it says, in
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the beginning was the word, andthe word was with God, and the
word was God.
Then a little bit later in someverses, it says, and he came and
dwelt among us, and the peopledidn't recognize him as he was
here.
I just think it's a tremendousthing, and it speaks to who
Jesus actually is and the lengththat he has gone to in order to
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associate with us, learn aboutus, and know who we are, and be
able to be that satisfactorysacrifice for us.
SPEAKER_00 (25:24):
Jesus is both high and lifted up like God, but he's
also down to earth andapproachable like a regular man.
Is he worthy of our worship?
SPEAKER_01 (25:36):
He's absolutely worthy.
We see in Revelation when Johnis there in the throne room and
in the heavenly spaces, thatthat's one of the things that
the angels and others cry out.
He is worthy.
He's worthy of the Lamb of God.
And that it's going to besomething that we're going to be
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singing for eternity in manyways, is that Jesus Christ is
worthy.
SPEAKER_00 (26:02):
At the end of verse 14, it speaks about rendering
the devil powerless.
It says he might re Jesus mightrender powerless him who had the
power of death, that is, thedevil.
Here, many people mistakenlytake that phrase and think that
this means that before Jesusdied, Satan had a lot of power.
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Now, after he died, he's beenrendered totally powerless.
That's not what this is saying.
And that's really sort of afalse conclusion.
Instead, this verse is sayingthe devil is now powerless over
death.
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So the devil had power.
He just was extremely limited byGod.
He was on a leash and could onlygo and do what God in his
permissive will would allow.
Because of Jesus' death andresurrection, the devil no
longer has power over death.
The devil is the author of sin,and sin brings death.
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Well, in that sense, the devilhad the power of death.
By tempting people to sin, thenhe could cause their death.
Since all people fell for sin,then the devil had the power
over sin.
Well, he still has the power totempt.
Then this passage is not sayingthat the devil has no power at
all.
What it's saying is that throughChrist's death and resurrection,
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we no longer have to fear death.
The power of death is gone.
Because it's said in the NewTestament, oh death, where is
your sting?
So the power of death is gonebecause of Jesus' resurrection,
he conquered death.
Therefore, the power of deathhas been taken away from the
devil.
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In that sense, he's powerless.
God has always been sovereign.
At no time in the past could thedevil operate outside of God's
knowledge and permission.
In that sense, the devil canstill do what he always did,
which was tempt people, but he'spowerless over death today.
Then in verse 60, Christ took onthe nature of a man being the
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descendant of Abraham.
Christ came to help mankind, notangels, it says.
SPEAKER_01 (28:57):
We have the stories of him.
He traveled through regularmeans of a boat across the Sea
of Galilee.
He walked where he went.
Now, there were other thingswhere he calmed storms and he
proved his ability to be overnature and things like that.
But he was very much a commonman in the activities that he
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did and the way that he wentabout going through the Judea's
Samaria area, Jerusalem, and theUpper Galilean area.
SPEAKER_00 (29:28):
Jesus is fully man.
That's what it's saying here.
He was like us in all things.
He had to go through all thesame daily activities that you
and I do.
He had the same bodilyfunctions.
If he stood up too long, hisfeet hurt, he had to bathe just
like everybody else.
It says here he was tempted inall ways, just like we are, yet
without sin.
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Jesus was born in a stable,raised to a common family that
made a common income, and he didmanual labor.
He was just like us.
In all sense.
The word here, tempted, alsomeans tested.
Jesus was really tempted andreally tested.
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He was truly tempted because hewas fully human in every sense
of the word.
But at the same time, he was notable to sin because he was fully
God.
As man, Jesus could go throughreal temptation.
It was a real temptation.
But as God, he could be testedto prove he would not sin.
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That was the purpose for thetemptations.
They were really tests to provethat he would not sin.
Hebrews 4.15 says Jesus wastempted in all things, just like
we are.
The temptation had to be realbecause just as we are, it says,
and to quote, be made like hisbrethren in all things.
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Therefore, the temptation wasreal, what his divine nature was
incapable of sinning.
His human nature was tempted,what his divine nature was
incapable of sinning.
Angels have never had to sufferor had to deal with human
weaknesses, but Jesus has.
Because Jesus was just like usin all ways, he could identify
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with us more than any otherbeing in heaven.
Steve, how worthy is Jesus?
SPEAKER_01 (31:21):
That's a tremendous listing that you went through
there of him.
Even going back to that theSatan no longer has the power of
death over us, it says there inverse 15 that he might free
those who through fear of deathwere subject to slavery.
What does that mean?
I think it means that deathbefore him coming and being
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worthy to be our sacrifice isthat when we died, physically we
had eternal separation from Godin our spirit.
But now that he has become thatsatisfactory sacrifice and is
worthy to be able to do that,that now we have the ability in
belief and trust in him to beable to have fellowship with God
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and Jesus for eternity.
Therefore, death no longer hasany type of bind, a fear with
us.
We're not a slave to the factthat we're fearing that we're
going to die and have thatseparation from God anymore.
I think that speaks to Jesus'worthiness to the extent of how
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worthy he is, that he is thatsatisfactory sacrifice that
could provide us the ability tohave eternal life and spend
eternity with him.
SPEAKER_00 (32:39):
Isn't it comforting to know that our Jesus was like
us in all ways, in the sensethat we can know him.
He's not a God that's distant,he's a God that's close by.
He suffered like all humanssuffered.
Our God can identify with us inall ways.
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He's close to us.
And I just find that greatlycomforting.
SPEAKER_01 (33:05):
Yeah, and earlier I mentioned that he went to the
extent where he could be a humanbeing and learn about us.
Obviously, as God, he knows usand he knows our ways.
What I meant by that was that hecould experience the things that
we experience and that he canbecome closer to us in that
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regard.
It's a picture of God reachingout to us and not just us
reaching out to God.
So many other stories from othercultures and civilizations are
the people desperately trying toreach God, to reach out to the
God and get his attentionthrough various ways and means.
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But we have such a great andwonderful God that he himself
came, became human, and dweltamong us.
It just once again shows to methe length that he goes through
in order to know us and to giveus assurance of reaching out to
us to provide a way of sacrificeand a way of salvation rather
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than just leaving us andabandoning us and trying to
always look to try and get ahold of him.
He's that close.
All you have to do is reach outand take the free gift that he
is offering through hissacrifice.
SPEAKER_00 (34:23):
We trust that you will reach out and take that.
If you haven't done it already,the gift is free and it's
available.
He is close to us.
We'll stop there for now becauseof time, but be whack with us
next time because we're going tointroduce this concept of Jesus
as high priest.
Because of that, he canrepresent us before God.
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Please come back with us nexttime as we continue to reason
through the book of Hebrews.
Thank you so much for watchingand listening.
SPEAKER_01 (34:51):
May God bless you.
In the New Testament book of Colossians, it lifts up
Jesus Christ to as high as hecan be lifted.
The book is really a glory ofJesus book.
And we're right in the midst ofit.
We're talking about who Jesus isand why he should be lifted up.
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If you have your Bible open tothe book of Hebrews, chapter
two, and we're today we're goingto start in verse 10.
If you were with us last time,we saw in chapter one, it goes
over and over showing that Jesusis God Almighty.
And through that, he is worthy.
He is greater, superior to theprophets.
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And in chapter two, we've seenhere that he is also man.
That's what is so amazing isthat our Lord is both God and
man.
Well, today we're gonna see evenmore ways to lift up Jesus, how
he is increasingly important.
Steve, can you start in Hebrewschapter two and read from verses
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10 through verses 13?
SPEAKER_01 (01:29):
For it was fitting for him, for whom are all
things, and through whom are allthings, in bringing many sons to
glory, to perfect the author oftheir salvation through
sufferings.
For both he who sanctifies andthose who are sanctified are all
from one Father, for whichreason he is not ashamed to call
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them brethren, saying, I willproclaim your name to my
brethren, in the midst of thecongregation, I will sing your
praise, and again I will put mytrust in him, and again, behold,
I, the children whom God hasgiven me.
SPEAKER_00 (02:11):
With this, verse 10 tells us that Jesus is the most
important being.
All things are made for him andthrough him.
He is the purpose of creation.
Steve, when it says all things,how many things are included?
SPEAKER_01 (02:28):
I think that it means that all things are.
I think that goes to theuniverse, it goes to creation
itself and to the small thingsof the one-celled bacteria all
the way up to the grand thingsof the universe, as I just
mentioned.
All things are all things.
Everything was created by himand for him.
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I think that he has a vestedinterest.
SPEAKER_00 (02:52):
He says several times now in this book that
Jesus is the purpose and themeans by which things were
created.
Chapter 1, verse 2, the worldwas made through Jesus.
Chapter 1, verse 3, Jesusupholds all things.
Here in 210, all things weremade for and through Jesus, for
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whom and through whom all thingsexist.
The next question is then whatis the implications of all of
creation being for Jesus andthrough Jesus?
SPEAKER_01 (03:30):
I mentioned a little bit at the end of my last part
of a vested interest.
It says in a little bit furtherin verse 10 of bringing many
sons to glory and to perfect theauthor of their salvation.
To me, it's a picture of himhaving a vested interest in this
creation that he has made.
He has made us, he's given us asmankind dominion over the
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creation, or at least that wasthe original plan.
As he mentioned earlier in thechapter one, we don't have that
dominion right now.
But he's making the case thatJesus is above everything.
First, he's talking aboutangels.
Here in a little bit, he's goingto talk about Moses.
I think, Glenn, it's just apicture that it's a personal
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relationship with Jesus Christ.
His appearance and theimplications that it has with it
and everything is that he wantsto have a personal relationship
with us, with his creation.
And he wants to redeem the restof creation and redeem the
nations.
All of those things that hissacrifice achieved and the
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things that we're lookingforward to in the future, to me,
it's just all speaks of a Godthat wants to have a personable
relationship with not onlymankind, but the rest of his
creation as well.
Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_00 (04:54):
Oh, it makes a great deal of sense because Jesus is
indeed worthy of this.
He's saying here something thatis repeated over in the book of
Colossians, namely that Jesus isthe creator and the sustainer of
all things.
Jesus is the ultimate purposefor all that is.
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The heavens and the earth arefocused on Jesus as the purpose.
Jesus is the creator of allthings, He is through which all
things are made, and He is bywhich all things are made.
He sustains all things.
Why?
Well, we've already seen it herein verse 10.
Then bringing many sons toglory, which just means so that
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people who are made in the imageof God that walked away from God
can be reconciled again.
It's a love relationship.
What is the purpose for theuniverse?
It's to love Christ, and so hecan love us.
How amazing.
Later in this same book, Hebrews12, 2 says, quote, Jesus is the
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author and finisher of ourfaith.
He is the one that is not onlythe creator of the heavens and
the earth, by which and throughwhich all things are made, but
he is the beginning, the authorand the completer, the finisher
of our faith.
Our salvation is through Jesus.
How wonderful that is.
Verse 10 also says it says therethat bringing many sons to glory
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to perfect the author of theirsalvation through sufferings.
It's saying Jesus is to be madeperfect through suffering.
The sense here of the wordperfect is that he completed or
finished everyone's salvation.
Someone had to die because ofour sin.
So therefore, when he died, thenhe perfected or completed our
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salvation.
Jesus' sufferings here completedtwo very key things.
He completed the act ofproviding salvation, then he
brought glory and honor tohimself.
Remember his last words on thecross?
They were, it is finished.
He completed what he set out todo.
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When it says here that he wasmade perfect, it's it's not the
sense that he was imperfect anddid some work and now he was
perfect again.
His divine nature cannot grow,but his human nature can.
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It talks here about sufferingand how Jesus was completed or
made perfect through suffering.
Are there any benefits tosuffering?
Humans end up suffering.
Is there any benefits tosuffering?
SPEAKER_01 (08:17):
I think, Glenn, through this, the word suffering
itself, it brings up aconnotation that not good things
are happening.
I think in general, there's alldifferent types of suffering
from minor ones to prettyserious ones that will possibly
affect our physical life here onearth.
But through those sufferings,whichever kinds that we're going
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through, I think that ingeneral, they bring us closer to
God.
Because in many of them, that'swho we immediately turn to,
especially if we're believers,when we find out we're in some
sort of a situation that is outof our control or is impacting
us in a different way, we godirectly to God.
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Yes, there can be some greatthings that come out of
sufferings.
The main thing is a closerrelationship with God and Jesus
Christ, of looking to them andpraying with them and going with
them every day.
We have a recent example of ahostage that was taken by
another group of people, and hewas there for almost two years.
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Whenever he was released back tothe nation that he came from, he
s told the people as a witnessin his press briefing that the
one thing he missed was hisdaily activity with God, that
every day that he would pray toGod and reach out to God, now
that he's found himself free,that he hasn't gone away from
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God, but yet he has other peoplenow.
He has his friends and familyaround him.
Whereas when he was in captivityas a hostage in an underground
tunnel, as I said, for almosttwo years, the only contact that
he had of really consequence washis his daily talk and walk with
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God.
Yes, there are good things thatcome out of suffering, mainly
getting closer to God.
SPEAKER_00 (10:15):
If we ask the question, is there benefits to
suffering?
The answer is most definitelyyes.
It's never any fun.
It's by definition painful.
But we get things like patience.
We wouldn't learn patiencewithout going through things
where we need patience orsympathy for others.
If we were just happy andeverything's going fine all the
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time, that's very difficult tohave sympathy for others.
Suffering makes us stronger insome areas so that we can be
useful for God's service.
The New Testament says thosethat God loves, He prunes.
When I think of pruning, I usedto grow grape vines.
To make grapes, you have toprune the grapevines.
Well, sometimes those vineswould bleed sap, sometimes for a
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week or two.
It seemed to hurt them, but itmade them stronger so they could
grow more fruit.
Suffering is indeed beneficial,and God will take his children
through what he needs to do tobuild us up and to teach us
things.
We learn those throughsuffering.
It also says in verse 10 that heis the author of our salvation,
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the author of our salvation.
The old King James says captainof their salvation.
The term here is used as arepresentative head or a
trailblazer, one who makes a wayfor others to follow.
In this sense, Jesus led the wayin our salvation.
He caused our salvation.
Jesus is worthy because he isthe one who is the author or
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captain of our salvation.
Through his sufferings, hisactions made our salvation
complete.
He did it all.
He is worthy because of that.
Note that this verse is notsaying that Jesus was imperfect
and then suffered and was madeperfect.
But for example, when Godcreated the world, he became
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creator.
Before he created the world, hewas not creator.
After the world, he was creator.
Well, God's being didn't change,even though he became creator.
Same sense here.
Jesus was perfect before hesuffered and died.
But through the suffering andthe death, he became our
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sacrifice.
And to that he perfected oursalvation.
He became perfect in that sensebecause that was his role.
Now, verse 11 uses the wordsanctification.
It says, for both he whosanctifies and those who are
sanctified.
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So, Steve, what is this termsanctification?
SPEAKER_01 (13:00):
Sanctification means to set apart.
We have done a topical study onjustification, sanctification,
and glorification.
We go into a little bit moredetail of what sanctification
means.
In general, for us as believers,it's just that.
We are set apart once we becomea believer and trust in Jesus
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Christ for our salvation.
We're justified at that part.
Then we have this process ofbeing sanctified or set apart
for Him, where we go and becomemore Christ-like.
In Hebrews, the author says, forboth He who sanctifies, who sets
apart, and those who aresanctified, us are the ones, the
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believers in Him, who are setapart.
That's in general what thesanctification process is.
SPEAKER_00 (13:51):
That's exactly correct.
We think of today, churches willhave a church building, and when
they first build it, they'llhave a sanctification or
sometimes it's calledconsecration ceremony.
It just means that building isnow going to only be used for
God's purpose.
It's to be used for God's glory.
The building's just a building,but when it's set apart for
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God's purposes, then it'ssanctified.
When our lives and our work isset aside for God's purposes,
then we are sanctified.
It says there that he is theauthor of our salvation, but he
is also, he sanctifies those whoare following him, who are in
Christ.
In that sense, we are set apart.
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God is pruning us, setting usapart, making us special, not
because of anything in us, butjust because we are set apart
for his service.
It also says here at the end ofverse 11 that Jesus can call all
Christians brothers and sisters,brethren.
He is not ashamed to call thembrethren.
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I find this interesting.
Steve, have you ever thoughtabout that?
What it means to be called abrother or sister of Christ?
SPEAKER_01 (15:03):
I have a little bit.
One of the things comes to mindwith me is that he called
Abraham his friend.
So I think when he calls us asbrethren, that's a little bit of
the same type of sentiment thathe has.
It's a personal thing.
It goes back to what I mentionedearlier.
You get this sense of Jesuswanting to have a personal
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relationship with his creation.
What better way than is to callthem brethren, to call them
fellow family members?
I think it's a term ofendearment, which I kind of get
a pleasure out of.
And I'm glad that we can becalled brethren.
SPEAKER_00 (15:42):
Think of it.
He also made all of the sub-cellcreatures, all of the small
things that are microscopic inthe universe.
He made all the diversity oflife.
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He made all of the chemicalstructures and all of the
wonderful things in science.
He made all of that, but yet healso lowered himself to be
human, lowered himself below theangels, took on humanity in the
full sense of the word.
He's not ashamed to call usbrothers and sisters.
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With all of our fallibility, hewas the perfect one.
He was the glorious one.
He is the unspotted lamb thatbecame human and was in our
place and became like us in thefull sense of the word.
With all our faults and sins, hecleans us up and calls us
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family.
How wonderful that is.
As much of a sinner as I was andI am, and as much of a sinner as
you are and you were, he stilllowered himself down to be
humanity, picks us up out of themud, washes us off, invites us
up into his table, and gives usa kingly meal and calls us
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brothers and sisters, calls usfamily.
How wonderful Christ is.
Then in verses 12 and 13, theyquote three different passages
from the Old Testament.
Again, the author of Hebrews isintimately familiar with the Old
Testament.
He uses it at will to draw outimportant things.
The first quote takes a psalm ofDavid and uses it of Christ.
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It says, I will tell of yourname to my brethren.
David used it as telling Godthat he would tell people about
God.
Hebrews takes that statementfrom David and uses it to show
that Jesus considered usbrothers as sisters and he
proclaimed God to us.
Jesus told Philip in theGospels, if you have seen me,
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you've seen the Father in John14, 9.
Jesus takes the things of Godand reveals them to us.
He considers us as closepersonal family.
Think of that.
We are brethren.
This shows us the tenderpersonal parts of Jesus.
He reveals himself to us becausewe are close personal family.
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Steve, how wonderful is Christ.
SPEAKER_01 (18:20):
It's just really tremendous when you start
thinking about it because thisis in the section where he's
saying that Jesus is above theangels.
And here he is, though, sayingthat us, mankind, is worthy to
be called his brethren.
He uses the examples here fromthe Old Testament to back that
up.
I think it's really sayingthrough here, the author is
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telling the people that he'swriting to that we're above the
angels and that there's thisspecial relationship between us
and Jesus Christ, the Messiah,that is beyond a relationship
that we would ever have withangels, meaning that we really
don't have relationship with theangels.
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There's no angels that weinteract with on a regular
basis, and we're not toldthrough scripture that we're
going to be interacting withangels in a regular basis, and
they're not created like us.
We're a separate creation fromthem.
Here it is, the author is makinghis case.
Not only is Jesus above theangels, but we're brethren to
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him.
We're family to him.
I think it's just great andtremendous that we have this
status among the other thingsthat were taught through other
scriptures, epistles, that weget by being in Christ.
Here we are.
We're also to be included asbrethren, as family members with
Jesus Christ Himself.
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I think it's just reallymind-boggling in a sense.
SPEAKER_00 (19:50):
Hebrews chapter one told us that Jesus was God
Almighty, that he was superiorto the prophets.
Here in chapter two, he's begunto tell us that he was like us.
Starting in verse 14, it goeseven further to say that Jesus
was fully human.
I'm reading in Hebrews 2.14 saysthis.
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Therefore, since the childrenshare in flesh and blood, he
himself likewise also partook ofthe same, that through death he
might render powerless him whohad the power of death, that is,
the devil, and might free thosewho through fear of death were
subject to slavery all theirlives.
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For assuredly he does not givehelp to angels, but he gives
help to the descendants ofAbraham.
Therefore he had to be made likehis brethren in all things, so
that he might become a mercifuland faithful high priest in
things pertaining to God, tomake propitiation for the sins
of the people.
For since he himself was temptedin that which he has suffered,
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he is able to come to the aid ofthose who are tempted.
The first part of verse 14 makesa conclusion about Christ's
humanity.
Jesus and people share inhumanity.
SPEAKER_01 (21:18):
Mentioned in an earlier session that there's an
introduction in a way of theidea or concept of the kinsman
redeemer.
You can read about that story inthe book of Ruth that gives it
out.
Now, this was a provision thatwas supplied in the Mosaic Law
that if somebody sold themselvesinto indentured servitude, that
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they could be redeemed out ofthat by another family member.
There were three conditions.
One is that they had to be anactual family member.
A second one is that they had tohave the means to be able to do
it, to give that redemption.
And the third one was that theyhad to be willing to do it.
Here in an indirect way, I thinkthe author is making this case
because he's writing to Hebrewspeople that would know these
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laws and the conditions for akinsman redeemer and to be
redeemed.
I think it's making an indirectconnection that he is our
brethren.
He calls us brethren.
He is human in that regard.
He then has an association withus and knows about us and can in
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turn redeem us.
He can be our kinsman redeemerbecause he is not a God that's
just off at a distancesomewhere, but he is a God who
has come in the form of a fullyman and fully God and can
associate with us as mankind andas human beings.
And through that, he can providethis satisfactory sacrifice that
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he talks about a little bitfurther in the verses down
below.
SPEAKER_00 (22:54):
In this section, Hebrews chapter one and two,
what it's building a case for isthat Jesus is fully God and
fully man.
And Christian theology from thevery beginning has always taught
that Jesus is fully God in thefull sense of the word, and he's
also fully man in the full senseof the word.
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These two natures are distinct,but they're not mingled together
into some third thing that'sneither God nor man.
He has both a divine nature anda human nature, and he has to be
both of those in order to be oursavior.
Why?
Well, there's several reasons.
If he were not fully GodAlmighty, he would have
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inherited a sin nature and notbeen capable of living a sinless
life.
If he were not fully human, hewould have not qualified to be
the sacrifice to die in ourplace.
If he were not fully human, hecould have not been the high
priest that represents mankindto God.
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If he were not fully God, hewould have not been king sitting
on the throne of heaven,granting righteous judgment.
Because Jesus was both God andman, he could be the author and
finisher of our salvation.
Hebrews is going to go on torepresent Jesus as both king and
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high priest.
These first two chapters tell usthat Jesus is both God and man
and lay the groundwork for laterin the book for Jesus to be both
king and high priest.
Steve, how wonderful is Jesus?
SPEAKER_01 (24:31):
I think you can't describe him in words to think
that he would go to this lengthin order to associate himself
with us and to be thatsatisfactory sacrifice.
It puts it into perspective asto what he has done.
I'm always moved at the firstpart of John when it says, in
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the beginning was the word, andthe word was with God, and the
word was God.
Then a little bit later in someverses, it says, and he came and
dwelt among us, and the peopledidn't recognize him as he was
here.
I just think it's a tremendousthing, and it speaks to who
Jesus actually is and the lengththat he has gone to in order to
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associate with us, learn aboutus, and know who we are, and be
able to be that satisfactorysacrifice for us.
SPEAKER_00 (25:24):
Jesus is both high and lifted up like God, but he's
also down to earth andapproachable like a regular man.
Is he worthy of our worship?
SPEAKER_01 (25:36):
He's absolutely worthy.
We see in Revelation when Johnis there in the throne room and
in the heavenly spaces, thatthat's one of the things that
the angels and others cry out.
He is worthy.
He's worthy of the Lamb of God.
And that it's going to besomething that we're going to be
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singing for eternity in manyways, is that Jesus Christ is
worthy.
SPEAKER_00 (26:02):
At the end of verse 14, it speaks about rendering
the devil powerless.
It says he might re Jesus mightrender powerless him who had the
power of death, that is, thedevil.
Here, many people mistakenlytake that phrase and think that
this means that before Jesusdied, Satan had a lot of power.
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Now, after he died, he's beenrendered totally powerless.
That's not what this is saying.
And that's really sort of afalse conclusion.
Instead, this verse is sayingthe devil is now powerless over
death.
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So the devil had power.
He just was extremely limited byGod.
He was on a leash and could onlygo and do what God in his
permissive will would allow.
Because of Jesus' death andresurrection, the devil no
longer has power over death.
The devil is the author of sin,and sin brings death.
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Well, in that sense, the devilhad the power of death.
By tempting people to sin, thenhe could cause their death.
Since all people fell for sin,then the devil had the power
over sin.
Well, he still has the power totempt.
Then this passage is not sayingthat the devil has no power at
all.
What it's saying is that throughChrist's death and resurrection,
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we no longer have to fear death.
The power of death is gone.
Because it's said in the NewTestament, oh death, where is
your sting?
So the power of death is gonebecause of Jesus' resurrection,
he conquered death.
Therefore, the power of deathhas been taken away from the
devil.
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In that sense, he's powerless.
God has always been sovereign.
At no time in the past could thedevil operate outside of God's
knowledge and permission.
In that sense, the devil canstill do what he always did,
which was tempt people, but he'spowerless over death today.
Then in verse 60, Christ took onthe nature of a man being the
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descendant of Abraham.
Christ came to help mankind, notangels, it says.
SPEAKER_01 (28:57):
We have the stories of him.
He traveled through regularmeans of a boat across the Sea
of Galilee.
He walked where he went.
Now, there were other thingswhere he calmed storms and he
proved his ability to be overnature and things like that.
But he was very much a commonman in the activities that he
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did and the way that he wentabout going through the Judea's
Samaria area, Jerusalem, and theUpper Galilean area.
SPEAKER_00 (29:28):
Jesus is fully man.
That's what it's saying here.
He was like us in all things.
He had to go through all thesame daily activities that you
and I do.
He had the same bodilyfunctions.
If he stood up too long, hisfeet hurt, he had to bathe just
like everybody else.
It says here he was tempted inall ways, just like we are, yet
without sin.
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Jesus was born in a stable,raised to a common family that
made a common income, and he didmanual labor.
He was just like us.
In all sense.
The word here, tempted, alsomeans tested.
Jesus was really tempted andreally tested.
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He was truly tempted because hewas fully human in every sense
of the word.
But at the same time, he was notable to sin because he was fully
God.
As man, Jesus could go throughreal temptation.
It was a real temptation.
But as God, he could be testedto prove he would not sin.
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That was the purpose for thetemptations.
They were really tests to provethat he would not sin.
Hebrews 4.15 says Jesus wastempted in all things, just like
we are.
The temptation had to be realbecause just as we are, it says,
and to quote, be made like hisbrethren in all things.
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Therefore, the temptation wasreal, what his divine nature was
incapable of sinning.
His human nature was tempted,what his divine nature was
incapable of sinning.
Angels have never had to sufferor had to deal with human
weaknesses, but Jesus has.
Because Jesus was just like usin all ways, he could identify
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with us more than any otherbeing in heaven.
Steve, how worthy is Jesus?
SPEAKER_01 (31:21):
That's a tremendous listing that you went through
there of him.
Even going back to that theSatan no longer has the power of
death over us, it says there inverse 15 that he might free
those who through fear of deathwere subject to slavery.
What does that mean?
I think it means that deathbefore him coming and being
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worthy to be our sacrifice isthat when we died, physically we
had eternal separation from Godin our spirit.
But now that he has become thatsatisfactory sacrifice and is
worthy to be able to do that,that now we have the ability in
belief and trust in him to beable to have fellowship with God
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and Jesus for eternity.
Therefore, death no longer hasany type of bind, a fear with
us.
We're not a slave to the factthat we're fearing that we're
going to die and have thatseparation from God anymore.
I think that speaks to Jesus'worthiness to the extent of how
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worthy he is, that he is thatsatisfactory sacrifice that
could provide us the ability tohave eternal life and spend
eternity with him.
SPEAKER_00 (32:39):
Isn't it comforting to know that our Jesus was like
us in all ways, in the sensethat we can know him.
He's not a God that's distant,he's a God that's close by.
He suffered like all humanssuffered.
Our God can identify with us inall ways.
(33:02):
He's close to us.
And I just find that greatlycomforting.
SPEAKER_01 (33:05):
Yeah, and earlier I mentioned that he went to the
extent where he could be a humanbeing and learn about us.
Obviously, as God, he knows usand he knows our ways.
What I meant by that was that hecould experience the things that
we experience and that he canbecome closer to us in that
(33:27):
regard.
It's a picture of God reachingout to us and not just us
reaching out to God.
So many other stories from othercultures and civilizations are
the people desperately trying toreach God, to reach out to the
God and get his attentionthrough various ways and means.
(33:48):
But we have such a great andwonderful God that he himself
came, became human, and dweltamong us.
It just once again shows to methe length that he goes through
in order to know us and to giveus assurance of reaching out to
us to provide a way of sacrificeand a way of salvation rather
(34:11):
than just leaving us andabandoning us and trying to
always look to try and get ahold of him.
He's that close.
All you have to do is reach outand take the free gift that he
is offering through hissacrifice.
SPEAKER_00 (34:23):
We trust that you will reach out and take that.
If you haven't done it already,the gift is free and it's
available.
He is close to us.
We'll stop there for now becauseof time, but be whack with us
next time because we're going tointroduce this concept of Jesus
as high priest.
Because of that, he canrepresent us before God.
(34:44):
Please come back with us nexttime as we continue to reason
through the book of Hebrews.
Thank you so much for watchingand listening.
SPEAKER_01 (34:51):
May God bless you.
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