July 11, 2024 • 29 mins
What does freedom mean in a world where personal liberties and collective identities often clash? Join us as we welcome retired Lieutenant Colonel Scott Mann, a former Green Beret with extensive experience in Iraq and Afghanistan, who brings a unique perspective on the evolving understanding of freedom. Drawing on his military background and current leadership roles, Scott challenges us to view freedom as a privilege and a profound responsibility to do what is right. We explore key insights from his upcoming book, "Nobody's Coming to Save You: A Green Beret's Guide to Getting Big Sh*t Done," and discuss how the concept of self-reliance fosters resilience and empowerment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Perspective.
Perspective is spelledP-E-R-S-P-E-C-T-I-V-E.
Perspective the 30,000 footview.
Perspective put on someoneelse's shoes.
Perspective can also refer tothe state of existing in space
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or one's view of the world.
Perspective R-E-A audio.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Reemployability.
What does freedom mean?
Or what does freedom mean toyou?
I've heard that question dozens, if not hundreds, of times, but
rarely have I reallyinternalized it and considered
how it impacts my life.
I think that most of us whowere born in the United States
don't truly understand what itmeans to not be free.
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As I get older, I'm able tolook in the rearview mirror and
see how that concept of freedomhas really changed in my own
mind and in the environmentwhere we all live today.
Peter Marshall yeah, the PeterMarshall of the old Hollywood
squares once said may we thinkof freedom not as the right to
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do as we please, but as theopportunity to do what is right.
So freedom is a responsibility,and no one knows that better
than retired Lieutenant ColonelScott Mann.
Scott's a Green Beret who'sserved all over the world,
including tours in Iraq andmultiple tours in Afghanistan.
He's a true friend ofre-employability and a leader in
the business of humanconnection, trust and how we can
proactively unite together andexercise our freedom as
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Americans.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Liberty is the state of being free within society
from oppressive restrictionsimposed by authority on one's
way of life, behavior orpolitical views.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Scott, thank you so much for taking time out of your
super, super busy schedule tobe with us and talk to us about
this very, very important topic,especially around 4th of July.
When we were talking aboutputting together a podcast
around 4th of July and we talkedabout freedom, there was
definitely nobody that I wantedto talk to more than you about
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this.
So thanks for your time andappreciate you being on RE Audio
again.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah, of course, man.
It's my honor to be here.
Thanks, Todd.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
You just finished a new book.
Now it's middle of July.
Now has the new book come out,or is it coming out shortly?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
No, it hasn't.
Thanks for bringing it up.
It's called Nobody's Coming toSave you A Green Beret's Guide
to Getting Big Stuff Done.
It's actually something else.
But the book comes out onOctober 1, but it's available
for presale right now atscottmancom, so we're already in
presale mode.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Well, I think there's so many parallels.
I was fortunate enough to get acopy to look through prior to
our conversation and there's somany parallels between what you
have in that book and what wewant to talk about.
So I don't.
You know this sounds so cliche,but I got to start with it.
With all your experience as aGreen Beret and what you do in
business leadership now and allthe places you've been around
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the world, I would imagine youhave a pretty unique perspective
on freedom.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
What does freedom mean to you?
You know that is one of thosequestions that there's so many
different ways you can go, and Idon't think there's a wrong way
, because it's one of thosesituations where what's personal
has universal value.
So one of the first things Iwould say about freedom when I
think about it now, at thispoint I am in my life where I've
lived my journey as a GreenBeret, gone to combat, come home
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, gone through the pains oftransition, built a new business
, worked with your team atreemployability and Deb and
other businesses and, frankly,been involved in what this
country is trying to go throughright now with all of its
division.
And what I would say freedomfirst and foremost means to me
is contained in the title ofthis book, which is nobody's
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coming.
You know, one of the thingsthat I learned very early on,
todd, as a Green Beret is wewould get dropped into these
rough places.
And you know, one of the thingsthat I learned very early on,
todd, as a Green Beret is wewould get dropped into these
rough places.
And you know, you start hearingthe chatter on the scanners and
you see reporting that attacksare imminent and that you're
probably going to be outnumberedand senior non-commissioned
officers would say to me hey,sir, you know nobody's coming
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and that's OK, we've got a goodteam, we're going to be all
right.
And I started to basicallyrecognize that, once you
acknowledge that nobody's coming, that's actually good news.
I mean, most of us in our lifewell, all of us have this agency
that we've been gifted from, Ibelieve, a higher power, a
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purpose in life, an embeddedsense of meaning that is
uniquely our own.
And if we're always waiting forpermission, if we're always
waiting to be told what to donext, or swipe here or click
here, you know pretty soon westart to surrender our agency,
we start to become almost in atrance state.
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And you can see it all aroundyou.
You see people who are soconsumed with their mobile
devices, with the 24-7 newscycle, with political outcomes,
and they've lost their agency,they've surrendered their
autonomy.
And so freedom, first andforemost, to me means personal
freedom, the ability to liveyour life and pursue your path
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with your own agency and yourown autonomy, and not asking
permission to do it.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Personal liberty is so, I think, connected to what
this country was built on right,giving people the ability to
actually live their life the waythey so choose or pursue those
things, and I think a lot ofpeople may feel like currently
it's not what it was 100 yearsago or 200 years ago.
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
no-transcript.
And if you're going to talkabout freedom, I think, and
you're going to advocate forpersonal freedom, so, in other
words, if the definition I gavefor personal freedom sounds
pretty good to you, then I thinkyou can't have that
conversation without saying,okay, what does it take to
actually have an environmentwhere you can do that, where
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your children can literallypursue their dreams?
Because newsflash, most placeson earth you can't.
Most places on earth, it isvery difficult for an individual
to exercise their own agency inlife and do what they want to
do when they want to do it.
We have a very uniqueexperiment in this country and a
few other countries wherethat's possible.
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It's not a state of naturethat's normal for humans.
In all my work as a Green Beret,I've studied civil societies in
rough places and what I've cometo learn is that we all come
from this traditional society,todd of a scarcity environment,
just like other mammals, wherethere's not enough.
There's not enough food,there's not enough water,
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there's not enough land, and youhave to form groups to get what
you need and keep what you need.
Watch Game of Thrones, you'llsee exactly what I'm talking
about.
Back in the day, that's howcivil society operated, and even
today it's around groupdynamics.
You do what you do for the goodof the group.
What you want is irrelevant,because the only way you can
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survive is if the group survives, and that means your honor and
your status is determined bywhat the group says you're going
to do.
Now, here in America, a couplehundred years ago, our
forefathers came from thosecivil societies where that's not
a very good place to live Ifyou're at the bottom of the food
chain and they formed thisexperiment of a constitutional
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republic where the individualwas above the group.
Now that's heresy in most partsof the world.
The individual Alexander deTocqueville called it
individualism rightly understoodso it was this emphasis on the
individual as part of a statebut rightly understood, every
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citizen understood the inherentresponsibilities they had to
ensure that those freedoms wereprotected.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
And that's where I think we've come off the rails
it's almost like now it's a,it's a given, because it's been
so long since we earned thatfreedom that it is that we're
complacent right.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, it's well.
Look, here's the thing.
And this is this is not new.
There have been severalsocieties throughout our history
that you know.
A few generations in, you startto see this cycle where folks
who are far removed from thestruggle to again freedom
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requires stewardship.
It requires the willingleadership of individuals to
preserve what it takes to befree and to actually keep the
group dynamics at bay.
They look around what'shappening in the country right
now.
How many groups do you see?
How many groups do you seeemerging advocating for what's
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right for their group?
Well, who's right, who's wrong?
Right?
Emerging advocating for what'sright for their group?
Well, who's right?
And who's wrong, right.
That's the problem with groupdynamics, or what we call
bonding.
Trust is the only people youtrust are the people in your
group, and everybody else is theenemy.
And you pursue that enemy withcontempt normally reserved for
true enemies.
And so when you forget what ittook to actually come out of
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that realm, you start to go backto it.
I call it shadow tribalism, butwe're going back to that tribal
behavior, asleep at the switch.
It's like we don't even knowwe're doing it.
We have our heads down in ourphones thinking that we're ultra
sophisticated and modern, butin reality we're even more
tribal than our ancestors,because we don't even know who
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we are.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I think one of you had mentioned this.
I believe in one of theretreats I was fortunate enough
to be on with you was about justbeing aware of that.
Tribalism is a great stepforward and you know, you have
to understand that it'shappening and be aware of it
around you, and I saw it onsocial media.
Maybe a month or so ago Istarted to see all this stuff
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about Gen X, Gen X arise, Gen Xcome together and I'm like, oh
my gosh, that's exactly whatScott was talking about.
That's trying to group a bunchof late 40 to late 50 year olds
together to accomplish something.
That's tribalism, right.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, yeah, and I think it's really important to
in the book Nobody's Coming toSave you.
I really break this downbecause it's imperative that all
of us it doesn't matter whetheryou're a senior leader, a mom
or a dad, a coach on a travelball team you know what I teach
is it's important to understandthe human operating system.
All of us are pretty much wiredthe same way.
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We are wired to be meaning,seeking, emotional, social
storytellers who struggle.
That's who we are at a veryprimal level.
I use tribalism and sometimes itkind of gets hijacked as a word
.
It gives this intonation thattribalism is violent and it can
be.
What tribalism is is primal.
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What tribalism, in this contextthat I use it and that we're
using it, todd, is that itrepresents a regression back to
a type of behavior that wasindicative of our ancestors and
there's good elements of it andthere's not so good elements of
it.
For example, in tribalsocieties where we hailed from,
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and once upon a time in America,we told stories, we had
community meetings, we had barnraisings, we had long form
communications.
We put much more emphasis onrelationships and front porches
right, because relationship wasthe capital by which you
navigated the world.
Social capital was king, andthat's a good thing, right.
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But at the same time, groups, inorder for groups to prevail
over another group, they usehonor and shame.
So that means vendettas andrevenge and feud are very
prevalent, and that's a veryugly thing, because the problem
with one group feuding withanother group, a how long does
it last?
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Well, if you look at theHatfields and McCoys, it lasted
all the way into the 1900s.
If you look at the Crips andthe Bloods, look at what's going
on in politics, they last avery long time and there's no
real way to end it except oneparty flaming out in the dirt
and salt in the earth again gameof thrones, red wedding, kind
of thing, you know.
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And so the problem with thattribalism is that we, because
we've forgotten our connectionto where we come from, we've
just we think that we're beyondit and we're not.
That's very much in our body.
And so when we put our heads inour phones and we start getting
into that digital world, we'velearned that in social media,
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that the engineers who builtthat they know that you'll share
more content if it's negativecontent about an out group.
And so what we're doingbasically is making ourselves
completely susceptible to atrance state and mass
mobilization for attention,marketing and other political
agendas.
And then we just get played.
We literally get played rightinto this trance and the
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in-group, out-group behaviorstarts to act on us without us
exercising any agency.
That's why I taught peopleunfriend friends they've had for
30 years on Instagram andFacebook over a political
candidate, because we havedemonstrated this shadow
tribalism, this form of primalbehavior, the negative side of
it, that we've never done beforeand that, to me, is a bigger
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threat to our freedom than anyenemy outside the United States.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
So there were.
Obviously you were working withthose tribal, that tribal
environment when you were inAfghanistan, working with tribal
leaders and trying to reallywin for lack of a better term
hearts and minds, right yeah.
So are there any strategiesthat you utilized there that you
feel like anybody listening nowwho's kind of seeing that
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tribalism among their family orgroups that they can at least
start to make some proactivemoves forward?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, a whole bunch.
I mean there's a whole bunch ofstrategies that are in that
book, because I believe the morewe understand our human
operating system, first andforemost that book, because I
believe the more we understandour human operating system,
first and foremost.
You know, think about aniceberg, right, and the iceberg,
the tip of the iceberg, is themodern world where you and I are
right now, and the bottom ofthe iceberg that you can't see.
80% of the iceberg is ourancient selves, the human
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operating system, and if we,that's going to act on us
whether we are conscious of itor not.
So it's better that we'reconscious of what's below the
waterline.
And so some things that peoplecan do as tactics, for example,
you know on in the realm ofwe're meaning seeking, like.
So every person around you,your kids, your employees,
they're meaning seeking.
You all specialize in gettingpeople back to work, but even
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before they get back to theiroriginal job, after they're
being injured, one of the thingsthat you all do that is so
important is that you provide away in which that individual can
get back in the game and theycan make meaning out of their
existence.
There's nothing worse thanbeing relevant and then not
being relevant.
I experienced that as a GreenBeret who transitioned.
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So, as an example, employerswho really focus on meaning if
someone is injured, if someoneexperiences a life-changing
event, how can you, as a leader,create an environment where
they can find meaning again?
It's super important becausewithout meaning we perish.
Without purpose we perish.
Emotion is another one.
This is another really big oneis that, in times that we live
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in right now, how bad is theemotional temperature?
I mean, have you noticed thatpeople are driving more
recklessly than ever after COVID?
Have you noticed that?
You know, when people talkpolitics, they literally go to
you know they look like they'retribal, they're biting their
lips and they purse their lipsand their eyes narrow, and I
mean we speak with contempt toone another that we would
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normally reserve for an enemy.
That's emotional temperature,and one of the things that we're
going to have to do when, whenpeople are in a bad place, is
we're going to have to bringemotional temperature down
before and get them ready tolisten to what we have to say.
And the book talks a lot abouthow to do this, starting with
yourself.
I mean, I bet people listeningto this right now, with the
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stuff going on with the electionand other things they catch
themselves with their heartbeatracing.
They catch themselves gettingangry.
Well, that means your emotionaltemperature is in a sympathetic
state and if you try to leadsomeone your children, your
spouse, your family or at workyou're going to look like you
don't trust yourself.
You're going to look likeyou're in survival mode and no
one else is going to trust youeither, because you're in a
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trance state of anger.
Anger makes us stupid, right?
So we've got to be able tometabolize and drop into a state
of calm and connect.
Parasympathetic that meansbreath, that means stepping away
from the incident.
Put your damn phone up, youknow.
But we're going to have tomanage our own emotional
temperature and the emotionaltemperature of others more than
ever before.
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The last technique I would addhere, if you want to go deeper
but is I'm telling people todayin these high stakes, low trust
environments, is ask a lot ofquestions.
It's not really the stories youtell these days, as much as it
is the stories you ask to hearThoughtful, open-ended questions
that allow the other party torespond to you in narrative and
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I talk a lot about this inNobody's Coming to Save you.
It's how to craft questionsahead of time, before you walk
into a hard conversation withsomeone in your company, with
someone that you're going tohave to do placement with that
it's going to be very difficult,or a client that maybe is upset
, or a child that's been bulliedhow you.
It's the questions we ask, notthe statements that we make,
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that get them ready to listen,that bring their emotional
temperature down to aparasympathetic state and
actually give you the contextyou need to be relevant to their
goals, and so questionology isa really important skill going
into the election and beyond.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
All these things that you put into your book and into
rooftop leadership and businessleadership.
Are these things that you weretrained as a Green Beret and
then and took the lessons, thepractical lessons?
How did you compile all thethoughts and the processes that
you have in Nobody's Coming toSave you?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Oh, I appreciate it.
It's been a 30-year body ofwork.
I mean, a large chunk of it iswhat I learned as a Green Beret,
because, if you think about it,by definition, I was dropped
into high stakes, low trustplaces where people are
skeptical and reluctant.
Well, that's the world today welive in, and what I've learned
is that, especially around thehuman operating system, is what
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works in life and death workseven better in life and business
, and the reason is becausewe're universally wired the same
.
The difference is the world thatyou live in right now has
changed under your feet.
The tectonic plates haveshifted under your feet and you
probably notice it.
You look around at how peopleare behaving and you're like, oh
boy, that doesn't feel right.
That's not what I knew fiveyears ago.
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That's because it's not, it'snovel, it's new.
The social dynamics havechanged and what got you here is
not going to get you there.
What we learned as leaders, asparents, to navigate these
situations is not going to work,because people are in a
different place.
Their trust is so depletedright now, in this churn that we
live in, that we need a deeperset of skills.
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And so, yes, I learned a lot ofthose in the crucible of combat
and high conflict.
But then, when I got out of theArmy in 2013, I continued to
pursue that body of work.
I became a negotiatinginstructor, I became a breath
coach, I studied acting.
I started to become a newsanalyst.
I did three TED Talks andhundreds and hundreds of
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keynotes.
I've started a nonprofit andworked with veterans.
So everything that I bring intothis book, man, it's a 30-year
body of work, ranging fromowning mobile home communities
and dealing with tenants thatare upset to speaking from a TED
stage and counseling.
You know senior members ofgovernment and the Pineapple
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Express.
You know where we got peopleout of Afghanistan and we had no
money, we had no time, we hadno authority.
But yet we use the sametechniques that are in this book
Nobody's coming to save you thesame techniques to move people
7,000 miles away to safety usinga cell phone and an open sewage
canal.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I was going to ask you about Operation Pineapple
Express.
That was the last book youwrote and you wrote it really
really quick, right, like crazyquick, based on the experience
that you and your counterpartsutilized to actually get people
that were committed to ourcountry out of Afghanistan after
we left.
That's true freedom, right?
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That is that's going from notknowing what the next day is
going to bring to actually beingfree in this country.
Correct, that's, that's whatyou were able to accomplish for
that.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
If you want to know what freedom means to some
people.
You and I were talking aboutthis before we got on air, about
how you've been around folksthat have just come to this
country and they demonstrate adifferent appreciation for
freedom than we do.
Remember those Afghans fallingoff of airplanes.
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There were Afghans that werewilling to sacrifice 30 seconds
of freedom before they fell totheir death hanging from the
wheels of a C-17 aircraft,leaving Afghanistan then to
spend the next 30 years in thatcountry.
That's how much freedom meantto them.
They were willing to fall froman airplane.
They were willing to crawl intothe wheel spoke of a C-17
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aircraft to have a chance to getout of that country.
So if you wonder what freedomlooks like to some people and
what it takes to get it, damnyou know and this is what I
worry about in our countrybecause we are so far removed.
I mean, even in the 20 year war, less than 1% of the population
fought.
You know, the big thing isthank you for your service and I
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don't begrudge that.
But most people they don't knowin their solar plexus what it
means to actually serve incombat and to defend the country
and fight for something thatyou could lose your life over
and again.
I don't fault or judge for that, but when you get to where less
than one percent of thepopulation is fighting a 20 year
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war and then after the war endsthe way it ended, people go.
What's the big deal?
I don't get it.
Why are you guys so upset aboutleaving your allies?
You know that's when I start toget seriously worried about our
freedom as a nation.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
So, if you don't mind , I'd love some advice on
something like that.
So, so it's too late forsomeone like me who was not in
the military, right?
Yeah, um, what can someone likeme do in a real sense to help
someone like you or yourcounterparts?
Um, understand the gratitudethat many of us truly have,
without just buying yourbreakfast at Denny's?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Well, it's like my buddy, Romy Camargo, says and I
appreciate the question he's aquadriplegic, shot through the
neck, lives in Tampa and openeda rehab center for other
quadriplegics.
And when that question getsasked to him the first thing
he'll say is look, the Americanpeople are worth it, they're
worth my injury.
And this guy will never walkagain, he'll never hold his
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child again.
But I believe personally it'swhat we say on Memorial Day and
we should really say every dayis to live a life worthy of that
sacrifice.
You know is to bring it back towhat we've talked about Live a
life of individualism, rightlyunderstood.
Learn the Constitution, learnwhat it means to be a citizen.
Teach your children about that.
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Veterans Day and Memorial Day isnot just a sale at the car lot
and a barbecue.
Have the barbecue, enjoy thehell out of it because it was
paid for.
But there are inherentresponsibilities that we have as
citizens, to just be goodcitizens to.
If civics isn't taught inschools, teach civics in schools
.
And, frankly, the bookculminates with this.
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It talks about how do we getour upswing back as a nation.
What can we do from the bottomup?
And the reality is Todd, thiscountry has been in a dark place
before in the early 1900s.
Reality is, todd, this countryhas been in a dark place before.
In the early 1900s, america wasat a very dark place.
We faced a lot of the samechallenges we face today.
The pundits were saying she wason her last days and there was
division.
But then a couple of drunks inAkron, ohio, decided to get
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sober because nobody was comingand they started Alcoholics
Anonymous, and then down theroad, the Junior League, and
then over here, the Rotary Cluband the Lions Club and the NAACP
, and on and on and on.
It went from 1900 to 1920, thelongest running period of
bottom-up leadership, ofindividualism rightly understood
.
All those groups that you andour listeners knew as kids were
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formed in that period and it ranall the way until 1972.
And then we started a downslideagain.
So how do we get that upslideback?
I think we're on the cusp of itright now.
I think it's podcasts, like whatyou're doing.
I think it's whatreemployability and others in
y'all's industry do to solve aproblem the government can't.
I think it's bottom-upleadership and I think it's just
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recognizing, recognizing.
And it starts with nobody'scoming.
If we're, if.
Did anybody wake up this morningand just go.
Oh my God, thank God forWashington DC.
Oh man, I'm so glad they'rethere.
I don't, I mean regardless ofparty.
I don't think anybody did that,I didn't and I haven't ever.
But I'm real glad for you indepth, and what you all do, and
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I celebrate it.
And I celebrate like all aroundme, these people that are
engaging and getting after itand just there's nobody's coming
.
So they're going to pick it upand they're going to do it.
To me, that's the most excitingthing in the world as we go into
Independence Day.
It's what makes us so unique.
It's what makes us so unique.
It's what makes us individualsrightly understood, and I hope
that people will recognize that.
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To me, that's what freedom isreally about.
Yes, your individualism, but isit rightly understood?
And have you brought to bearthe inherent responsibilities
that you have as a citizen toensure that that's available for
the next generation?
And if we all do that, yeah, wegot some work to do, but I
think our better days are infront of us.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Scott, it's always such a pleasure.
Our time goes so fast when wetalk.
Nobody's Coming to Save you isthe name of the book.
It comes out in October.
Obviously, it can be purchasedon Amazon and all the places
where you get books.
Please, I was fortunate enoughto read it.
Please pick it up.
Check it out.
It's really awesome, scott.
Is there anything else you wantto add as we wrap up?
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I would just ask that people really think about what
their role is in their familyand their community as we go
into Independence Day.
There's a big impact you canmake.
You can get big stuff done andyeah, man, I would love folks to
pre-order that book.
We really do want to hit thebestseller list because we want
to create a movement when allthis negative stuff surround us.
I mean, and the pay to play tohit the bestseller list.
(27:52):
We're not doing that, we'redoing an organic approach and I
think it would really send amessage, like we did with
Pineapple.
Nobody thought Pineapple woulddo anything.
It hit New York Timesbestseller in four hours and I
think it's because people wereenergized by the message and
this notion of bottom upleadership and I would love to
see us do it again.
So if people could pre-orderthat, it makes a big impact in
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the list and I think we cancelebrate that as a movement
together, because I know thestuff in it will help folks,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Thank you, scott, so appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Absolutely Take care everybody.
Happy Independence Day.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Freedom means the condition by which an individual
can decide to think, expresshimself and act without
constraint, using the will toconceive and implement an action
through a free choice of theends and tools he deems useful
to carry it out.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
What Scott explains in his book will help you be
better at whatever it is youfocus.
These strategies on Masteringthe techniques of human
understanding and connectionwill make you more successful as
a risk manager, an adjuster, amom, a grandparent and a husband
.
I hope you'll take advantage ofthe lessons he's gathered over
the past 30 years and try someof them out.
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You can seize the opportunityto do what is right and
celebrate your freedom.
Thanks for listening to REAAudio.
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We appreciate you.
Have a great rest of your week.
Perspective.
Perspective is spelledP-E-R-S-P-E-C-T-I-V-E.
Perspective the 30,000 footview.
Perspective put on someoneelse's shoes.
Perspective can also refer tothe state of existing in space
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or one's view of the world.
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Reemployability.
What does freedom mean?
Or what does freedom mean toyou?
I've heard that question dozens, if not hundreds, of times, but
rarely have I reallyinternalized it and considered
how it impacts my life.
I think that most of us whowere born in the United States
don't truly understand what itmeans to not be free.
(00:49):
As I get older, I'm able tolook in the rearview mirror and
see how that concept of freedomhas really changed in my own
mind and in the environmentwhere we all live today.
Peter Marshall yeah, the PeterMarshall of the old Hollywood
squares once said may we thinkof freedom not as the right to
(01:12):
do as we please, but as theopportunity to do what is right.
So freedom is a responsibility,and no one knows that better
than retired Lieutenant ColonelScott Mann.
Scott's a Green Beret who'sserved all over the world,
including tours in Iraq andmultiple tours in Afghanistan.
He's a true friend ofre-employability and a leader in
the business of humanconnection, trust and how we can
proactively unite together andexercise our freedom as
(01:36):
Americans.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Liberty is the state of being free within society
from oppressive restrictionsimposed by authority on one's
way of life, behavior orpolitical views.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Scott, thank you so much for taking time out of your
super, super busy schedule tobe with us and talk to us about
this very, very important topic,especially around 4th of July.
When we were talking aboutputting together a podcast
around 4th of July and we talkedabout freedom, there was
definitely nobody that I wantedto talk to more than you about
(02:06):
this.
So thanks for your time andappreciate you being on RE Audio
again.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah, of course, man.
It's my honor to be here.
Thanks, Todd.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
You just finished a new book.
Now it's middle of July.
Now has the new book come out,or is it coming out shortly?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
No, it hasn't.
Thanks for bringing it up.
It's called Nobody's Coming toSave you A Green Beret's Guide
to Getting Big Stuff Done.
It's actually something else.
But the book comes out onOctober 1, but it's available
for presale right now atscottmancom, so we're already in
presale mode.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Well, I think there's so many parallels.
I was fortunate enough to get acopy to look through prior to
our conversation and there's somany parallels between what you
have in that book and what wewant to talk about.
So I don't.
You know this sounds so cliche,but I got to start with it.
With all your experience as aGreen Beret and what you do in
business leadership now and allthe places you've been around
(03:04):
the world, I would imagine youhave a pretty unique perspective
on freedom.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
What does freedom mean to you?
You know that is one of thosequestions that there's so many
different ways you can go, and Idon't think there's a wrong way
, because it's one of thosesituations where what's personal
has universal value.
So one of the first things Iwould say about freedom when I
think about it now, at thispoint I am in my life where I've
lived my journey as a GreenBeret, gone to combat, come home
(03:36):
, gone through the pains oftransition, built a new business
, worked with your team atreemployability and Deb and
other businesses and, frankly,been involved in what this
country is trying to go throughright now with all of its
division.
And what I would say freedomfirst and foremost means to me
is contained in the title ofthis book, which is nobody's
(03:59):
coming.
You know, one of the thingsthat I learned very early on,
todd, as a Green Beret is wewould get dropped into these
rough places.
And you know, one of the thingsthat I learned very early on,
todd, as a Green Beret is wewould get dropped into these
rough places.
And you know, you start hearingthe chatter on the scanners and
you see reporting that attacksare imminent and that you're
probably going to be outnumberedand senior non-commissioned
officers would say to me hey,sir, you know nobody's coming
(04:22):
and that's OK, we've got a goodteam, we're going to be all
right.
And I started to basicallyrecognize that, once you
acknowledge that nobody's coming, that's actually good news.
I mean, most of us in our lifewell, all of us have this agency
that we've been gifted from, Ibelieve, a higher power, a
(04:45):
purpose in life, an embeddedsense of meaning that is
uniquely our own.
And if we're always waiting forpermission, if we're always
waiting to be told what to donext, or swipe here or click
here, you know pretty soon westart to surrender our agency,
we start to become almost in atrance state.
(05:07):
And you can see it all aroundyou.
You see people who are soconsumed with their mobile
devices, with the 24-7 newscycle, with political outcomes,
and they've lost their agency,they've surrendered their
autonomy.
And so freedom, first andforemost, to me means personal
freedom, the ability to liveyour life and pursue your path
(05:32):
with your own agency and yourown autonomy, and not asking
permission to do it.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Personal liberty is so, I think, connected to what
this country was built on right,giving people the ability to
actually live their life the waythey so choose or pursue those
things, and I think a lot ofpeople may feel like currently
it's not what it was 100 yearsago or 200 years ago.
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
no-transcript.
And if you're going to talkabout freedom, I think, and
you're going to advocate forpersonal freedom, so, in other
words, if the definition I gavefor personal freedom sounds
pretty good to you, then I thinkyou can't have that
conversation without saying,okay, what does it take to
actually have an environmentwhere you can do that, where
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your children can literallypursue their dreams?
Because newsflash, most placeson earth you can't.
Most places on earth, it isvery difficult for an individual
to exercise their own agency inlife and do what they want to
do when they want to do it.
We have a very uniqueexperiment in this country and a
few other countries wherethat's possible.
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It's not a state of naturethat's normal for humans.
In all my work as a Green Beret,I've studied civil societies in
rough places and what I've cometo learn is that we all come
from this traditional society,todd of a scarcity environment,
just like other mammals, wherethere's not enough.
There's not enough food,there's not enough water,
(07:22):
there's not enough land, and youhave to form groups to get what
you need and keep what you need.
Watch Game of Thrones, you'llsee exactly what I'm talking
about.
Back in the day, that's howcivil society operated, and even
today it's around groupdynamics.
You do what you do for the goodof the group.
What you want is irrelevant,because the only way you can
(07:43):
survive is if the group survives, and that means your honor and
your status is determined bywhat the group says you're going
to do.
Now, here in America, a couplehundred years ago, our
forefathers came from thosecivil societies where that's not
a very good place to live Ifyou're at the bottom of the food
chain and they formed thisexperiment of a constitutional
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republic where the individualwas above the group.
Now that's heresy in most partsof the world.
The individual Alexander deTocqueville called it
individualism rightly understoodso it was this emphasis on the
individual as part of a statebut rightly understood, every
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citizen understood the inherentresponsibilities they had to
ensure that those freedoms wereprotected.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
And that's where I think we've come off the rails
it's almost like now it's a,it's a given, because it's been
so long since we earned thatfreedom that it is that we're
complacent right.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, it's well.
Look, here's the thing.
And this is this is not new.
There have been severalsocieties throughout our history
that you know.
A few generations in, you startto see this cycle where folks
who are far removed from thestruggle to again freedom
(09:07):
requires stewardship.
It requires the willingleadership of individuals to
preserve what it takes to befree and to actually keep the
group dynamics at bay.
They look around what'shappening in the country right
now.
How many groups do you see?
How many groups do you seeemerging advocating for what's
(09:28):
right for their group?
Well, who's right, who's wrong?
Right?
Emerging advocating for what'sright for their group?
Well, who's right?
And who's wrong, right.
That's the problem with groupdynamics, or what we call
bonding.
Trust is the only people youtrust are the people in your
group, and everybody else is theenemy.
And you pursue that enemy withcontempt normally reserved for
true enemies.
And so when you forget what ittook to actually come out of
(09:52):
that realm, you start to go backto it.
I call it shadow tribalism, butwe're going back to that tribal
behavior, asleep at the switch.
It's like we don't even knowwe're doing it.
We have our heads down in ourphones thinking that we're ultra
sophisticated and modern, butin reality we're even more
tribal than our ancestors,because we don't even know who
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we are.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I think one of you had mentioned this.
I believe in one of theretreats I was fortunate enough
to be on with you was about justbeing aware of that.
Tribalism is a great stepforward and you know, you have
to understand that it'shappening and be aware of it
around you, and I saw it onsocial media.
Maybe a month or so ago Istarted to see all this stuff
(10:37):
about Gen X, Gen X arise, Gen Xcome together and I'm like, oh
my gosh, that's exactly whatScott was talking about.
That's trying to group a bunchof late 40 to late 50 year olds
together to accomplish something.
That's tribalism, right.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, yeah, and I think it's really important to
in the book Nobody's Coming toSave you.
I really break this downbecause it's imperative that all
of us it doesn't matter whetheryou're a senior leader, a mom
or a dad, a coach on a travelball team you know what I teach
is it's important to understandthe human operating system.
All of us are pretty much wiredthe same way.
(11:15):
We are wired to be meaning,seeking, emotional, social
storytellers who struggle.
That's who we are at a veryprimal level.
I use tribalism and sometimes itkind of gets hijacked as a word
.
It gives this intonation thattribalism is violent and it can
be.
What tribalism is is primal.
(11:36):
What tribalism, in this contextthat I use it and that we're
using it, todd, is that itrepresents a regression back to
a type of behavior that wasindicative of our ancestors and
there's good elements of it andthere's not so good elements of
it.
For example, in tribalsocieties where we hailed from,
(11:56):
and once upon a time in America,we told stories, we had
community meetings, we had barnraisings, we had long form
communications.
We put much more emphasis onrelationships and front porches
right, because relationship wasthe capital by which you
navigated the world.
Social capital was king, andthat's a good thing, right.
(12:19):
But at the same time, groups, inorder for groups to prevail
over another group, they usehonor and shame.
So that means vendettas andrevenge and feud are very
prevalent, and that's a veryugly thing, because the problem
with one group feuding withanother group, a how long does
it last?
(12:39):
Well, if you look at theHatfields and McCoys, it lasted
all the way into the 1900s.
If you look at the Crips andthe Bloods, look at what's going
on in politics, they last avery long time and there's no
real way to end it except oneparty flaming out in the dirt
and salt in the earth again gameof thrones, red wedding, kind
of thing, you know.
(12:59):
And so the problem with thattribalism is that we, because
we've forgotten our connectionto where we come from, we've
just we think that we're beyondit and we're not.
That's very much in our body.
And so when we put our heads inour phones and we start getting
into that digital world, we'velearned that in social media,
(13:21):
that the engineers who builtthat they know that you'll share
more content if it's negativecontent about an out group.
And so what we're doingbasically is making ourselves
completely susceptible to atrance state and mass
mobilization for attention,marketing and other political
agendas.
And then we just get played.
We literally get played rightinto this trance and the
(13:44):
in-group, out-group behaviorstarts to act on us without us
exercising any agency.
That's why I taught peopleunfriend friends they've had for
30 years on Instagram andFacebook over a political
candidate, because we havedemonstrated this shadow
tribalism, this form of primalbehavior, the negative side of
it, that we've never done beforeand that, to me, is a bigger
(14:09):
threat to our freedom than anyenemy outside the United States.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
So there were.
Obviously you were working withthose tribal, that tribal
environment when you were inAfghanistan, working with tribal
leaders and trying to reallywin for lack of a better term
hearts and minds, right yeah.
So are there any strategiesthat you utilized there that you
feel like anybody listening nowwho's kind of seeing that
(14:35):
tribalism among their family orgroups that they can at least
start to make some proactivemoves forward?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, a whole bunch.
I mean there's a whole bunch ofstrategies that are in that
book, because I believe the morewe understand our human
operating system, first andforemost that book, because I
believe the more we understandour human operating system,
first and foremost.
You know, think about aniceberg, right, and the iceberg,
the tip of the iceberg, is themodern world where you and I are
right now, and the bottom ofthe iceberg that you can't see.
80% of the iceberg is ourancient selves, the human
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operating system, and if we,that's going to act on us
whether we are conscious of itor not.
So it's better that we'reconscious of what's below the
waterline.
And so some things that peoplecan do as tactics, for example,
you know on in the realm ofwe're meaning seeking, like.
So every person around you,your kids, your employees,
they're meaning seeking.
You all specialize in gettingpeople back to work, but even
(15:27):
before they get back to theiroriginal job, after they're
being injured, one of the thingsthat you all do that is so
important is that you provide away in which that individual can
get back in the game and theycan make meaning out of their
existence.
There's nothing worse thanbeing relevant and then not
being relevant.
I experienced that as a GreenBeret who transitioned.
(15:48):
So, as an example, employerswho really focus on meaning if
someone is injured, if someoneexperiences a life-changing
event, how can you, as a leader,create an environment where
they can find meaning again?
It's super important becausewithout meaning we perish.
Without purpose we perish.
Emotion is another one.
This is another really big oneis that, in times that we live
(16:13):
in right now, how bad is theemotional temperature?
I mean, have you noticed thatpeople are driving more
recklessly than ever after COVID?
Have you noticed that?
You know, when people talkpolitics, they literally go to
you know they look like they'retribal, they're biting their
lips and they purse their lipsand their eyes narrow, and I
mean we speak with contempt toone another that we would
(16:34):
normally reserve for an enemy.
That's emotional temperature,and one of the things that we're
going to have to do when, whenpeople are in a bad place, is
we're going to have to bringemotional temperature down
before and get them ready tolisten to what we have to say.
And the book talks a lot abouthow to do this, starting with
yourself.
I mean, I bet people listeningto this right now, with the
(16:58):
stuff going on with the electionand other things they catch
themselves with their heartbeatracing.
They catch themselves gettingangry.
Well, that means your emotionaltemperature is in a sympathetic
state and if you try to leadsomeone your children, your
spouse, your family or at workyou're going to look like you
don't trust yourself.
You're going to look likeyou're in survival mode and no
one else is going to trust youeither, because you're in a
(17:20):
trance state of anger.
Anger makes us stupid, right?
So we've got to be able tometabolize and drop into a state
of calm and connect.
Parasympathetic that meansbreath, that means stepping away
from the incident.
Put your damn phone up, youknow.
But we're going to have tomanage our own emotional
temperature and the emotionaltemperature of others more than
ever before.
(17:41):
The last technique I would addhere, if you want to go deeper
but is I'm telling people todayin these high stakes, low trust
environments, is ask a lot ofquestions.
It's not really the stories youtell these days, as much as it
is the stories you ask to hearThoughtful, open-ended questions
that allow the other party torespond to you in narrative and
(18:02):
I talk a lot about this inNobody's Coming to Save you.
It's how to craft questionsahead of time, before you walk
into a hard conversation withsomeone in your company, with
someone that you're going tohave to do placement with that
it's going to be very difficult,or a client that maybe is upset
, or a child that's been bulliedhow you.
It's the questions we ask, notthe statements that we make,
(18:25):
that get them ready to listen,that bring their emotional
temperature down to aparasympathetic state and
actually give you the contextyou need to be relevant to their
goals, and so questionology isa really important skill going
into the election and beyond.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
All these things that you put into your book and into
rooftop leadership and businessleadership.
Are these things that you weretrained as a Green Beret and
then and took the lessons, thepractical lessons?
How did you compile all thethoughts and the processes that
you have in Nobody's Coming toSave you?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Oh, I appreciate it.
It's been a 30-year body ofwork.
I mean, a large chunk of it iswhat I learned as a Green Beret,
because, if you think about it,by definition, I was dropped
into high stakes, low trustplaces where people are
skeptical and reluctant.
Well, that's the world today welive in, and what I've learned
is that, especially around thehuman operating system, is what
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works in life and death workseven better in life and business
, and the reason is becausewe're universally wired the same
.
The difference is the world thatyou live in right now has
changed under your feet.
The tectonic plates haveshifted under your feet and you
probably notice it.
You look around at how peopleare behaving and you're like, oh
boy, that doesn't feel right.
That's not what I knew fiveyears ago.
(19:45):
That's because it's not, it'snovel, it's new.
The social dynamics havechanged and what got you here is
not going to get you there.
What we learned as leaders, asparents, to navigate these
situations is not going to work,because people are in a
different place.
Their trust is so depletedright now, in this churn that we
live in, that we need a deeperset of skills.
(20:08):
And so, yes, I learned a lot ofthose in the crucible of combat
and high conflict.
But then, when I got out of theArmy in 2013, I continued to
pursue that body of work.
I became a negotiatinginstructor, I became a breath
coach, I studied acting.
I started to become a newsanalyst.
I did three TED Talks andhundreds and hundreds of
(20:31):
keynotes.
I've started a nonprofit andworked with veterans.
So everything that I bring intothis book, man, it's a 30-year
body of work, ranging fromowning mobile home communities
and dealing with tenants thatare upset to speaking from a TED
stage and counseling.
You know senior members ofgovernment and the Pineapple
(20:51):
Express.
You know where we got peopleout of Afghanistan and we had no
money, we had no time, we hadno authority.
But yet we use the sametechniques that are in this book
Nobody's coming to save you thesame techniques to move people
7,000 miles away to safety usinga cell phone and an open sewage
canal.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I was going to ask you about Operation Pineapple
Express.
That was the last book youwrote and you wrote it really
really quick, right, like crazyquick, based on the experience
that you and your counterpartsutilized to actually get people
that were committed to ourcountry out of Afghanistan after
we left.
That's true freedom, right?
(21:33):
That is that's going from notknowing what the next day is
going to bring to actually beingfree in this country.
Correct, that's, that's whatyou were able to accomplish for
that.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
If you want to know what freedom means to some
people.
You and I were talking aboutthis before we got on air, about
how you've been around folksthat have just come to this
country and they demonstrate adifferent appreciation for
freedom than we do.
Remember those Afghans fallingoff of airplanes.
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There were Afghans that werewilling to sacrifice 30 seconds
of freedom before they fell totheir death hanging from the
wheels of a C-17 aircraft,leaving Afghanistan then to
spend the next 30 years in thatcountry.
That's how much freedom meantto them.
They were willing to fall froman airplane.
They were willing to crawl intothe wheel spoke of a C-17
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aircraft to have a chance to getout of that country.
So if you wonder what freedomlooks like to some people and
what it takes to get it, damnyou know and this is what I
worry about in our countrybecause we are so far removed.
I mean, even in the 20 year war, less than 1% of the population
fought.
You know, the big thing isthank you for your service and I
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don't begrudge that.
But most people they don't knowin their solar plexus what it
means to actually serve incombat and to defend the country
and fight for something thatyou could lose your life over
and again.
I don't fault or judge for that, but when you get to where less
than one percent of thepopulation is fighting a 20 year
(23:08):
war and then after the war endsthe way it ended, people go.
What's the big deal?
I don't get it.
Why are you guys so upset aboutleaving your allies?
You know that's when I start toget seriously worried about our
freedom as a nation.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
So, if you don't mind , I'd love some advice on
something like that.
So, so it's too late forsomeone like me who was not in
the military, right?
Yeah, um, what can someone likeme do in a real sense to help
someone like you or yourcounterparts?
Um, understand the gratitudethat many of us truly have,
without just buying yourbreakfast at Denny's?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Well, it's like my buddy, Romy Camargo, says and I
appreciate the question he's aquadriplegic, shot through the
neck, lives in Tampa and openeda rehab center for other
quadriplegics.
And when that question getsasked to him the first thing
he'll say is look, the Americanpeople are worth it, they're
worth my injury.
And this guy will never walkagain, he'll never hold his
(24:10):
child again.
But I believe personally it'swhat we say on Memorial Day and
we should really say every dayis to live a life worthy of that
sacrifice.
You know is to bring it back towhat we've talked about Live a
life of individualism, rightlyunderstood.
Learn the Constitution, learnwhat it means to be a citizen.
Teach your children about that.
(24:31):
Veterans Day and Memorial Day isnot just a sale at the car lot
and a barbecue.
Have the barbecue, enjoy thehell out of it because it was
paid for.
But there are inherentresponsibilities that we have as
citizens, to just be goodcitizens to.
If civics isn't taught inschools, teach civics in schools
.
And, frankly, the bookculminates with this.
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It talks about how do we getour upswing back as a nation.
What can we do from the bottomup?
And the reality is Todd, thiscountry has been in a dark place
before in the early 1900s.
Reality is, todd, this countryhas been in a dark place before.
In the early 1900s, america wasat a very dark place.
We faced a lot of the samechallenges we face today.
The pundits were saying she wason her last days and there was
division.
But then a couple of drunks inAkron, ohio, decided to get
(25:17):
sober because nobody was comingand they started Alcoholics
Anonymous, and then down theroad, the Junior League, and
then over here, the Rotary Cluband the Lions Club and the NAACP
, and on and on and on.
It went from 1900 to 1920, thelongest running period of
bottom-up leadership, ofindividualism rightly understood
.
All those groups that you andour listeners knew as kids were
(25:41):
formed in that period and it ranall the way until 1972.
And then we started a downslideagain.
So how do we get that upslideback?
I think we're on the cusp of itright now.
I think it's podcasts, like whatyou're doing.
I think it's whatreemployability and others in
y'all's industry do to solve aproblem the government can't.
I think it's bottom-upleadership and I think it's just
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recognizing, recognizing.
And it starts with nobody'scoming.
If we're, if.
Did anybody wake up this morningand just go.
Oh my God, thank God forWashington DC.
Oh man, I'm so glad they'rethere.
I don't, I mean regardless ofparty.
I don't think anybody did that,I didn't and I haven't ever.
But I'm real glad for you indepth, and what you all do, and
(26:26):
I celebrate it.
And I celebrate like all aroundme, these people that are
engaging and getting after itand just there's nobody's coming
.
So they're going to pick it upand they're going to do it.
To me, that's the most excitingthing in the world as we go into
Independence Day.
It's what makes us so unique.
It's what makes us so unique.
It's what makes us individualsrightly understood, and I hope
that people will recognize that.
(26:49):
To me, that's what freedom isreally about.
Yes, your individualism, but isit rightly understood?
And have you brought to bearthe inherent responsibilities
that you have as a citizen toensure that that's available for
the next generation?
And if we all do that, yeah, wegot some work to do, but I
think our better days are infront of us.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Scott, it's always such a pleasure.
Our time goes so fast when wetalk.
Nobody's Coming to Save you isthe name of the book.
It comes out in October.
Obviously, it can be purchasedon Amazon and all the places
where you get books.
Please, I was fortunate enoughto read it.
Please pick it up.
Check it out.
It's really awesome, scott.
Is there anything else you wantto add as we wrap up?
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I would just ask that people really think about what
their role is in their familyand their community as we go
into Independence Day.
There's a big impact you canmake.
You can get big stuff done andyeah, man, I would love folks to
pre-order that book.
We really do want to hit thebestseller list because we want
to create a movement when allthis negative stuff surround us.
I mean, and the pay to play tohit the bestseller list.
(27:52):
We're not doing that, we'redoing an organic approach and I
think it would really send amessage, like we did with
Pineapple.
Nobody thought Pineapple woulddo anything.
It hit New York Timesbestseller in four hours and I
think it's because people wereenergized by the message and
this notion of bottom upleadership and I would love to
see us do it again.
So if people could pre-orderthat, it makes a big impact in
(28:17):
the list and I think we cancelebrate that as a movement
together, because I know thestuff in it will help folks,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Thank you, scott, so appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Absolutely Take care everybody.
Happy Independence Day.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Freedom means the condition by which an individual
can decide to think, expresshimself and act without
constraint, using the will toconceive and implement an action
through a free choice of theends and tools he deems useful
to carry it out.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
What Scott explains in his book will help you be
better at whatever it is youfocus.
These strategies on Masteringthe techniques of human
understanding and connectionwill make you more successful as
a risk manager, an adjuster, amom, a grandparent and a husband
.
I hope you'll take advantage ofthe lessons he's gathered over
the past 30 years and try someof them out.
(28:57):
You can seize the opportunityto do what is right and
celebrate your freedom.
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