February 26, 2025 • 34 mins
Can nurturing the soul unlock higher productivity and satisfaction in the workplace? Join us in a thought-provoking conversation with Pam Buchanan, the visionary founder of Quantum Sense, who brings four decades of corporate wisdom to our discussion. Pam challenges the status quo by highlighting the often-neglected domain of soul health, urging organizations to see beyond conventional physical and mental wellness programs. By reimagining corporate culture to include an understanding of each individual's essence, businesses can foster environments where authenticity thrives, ultimately benefiting both employees and the organization.
Moving beyond theory, we explore the tangible impact of our sensory experiences on workplace wellness. Pam shares her insights into how attention to sensory inputs—colors, sounds, and surroundings—can transform our daily work environments. This sensory mindfulness can help shift employees from mere survival to truly thriving, enhancing engagement and fostering a culture that values curiosity and creativity. By embracing these principles, leaders can create spaces that resonate with employees, improving overall satisfaction and success.
As acceptance of holistic well-being grows, we delve into innovative wellness solutions that incorporate soul health into the workspace. From sound therapy to the universal power of music, these programs challenge traditional notions of wellness, emphasizing empathy, creativity, and teamwork as vital components of professional development. Pam's insights offer a roadmap for leaders eager to integrate these transformative approaches within their organizations, fostering innovation and human potential in a rapidly evolving corporate world.
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
This is the Rebel HR podcast, the podcast about all
things innovation in thepeople's space.
I'm Kyle Rode.
Let's start the show.
All right, welcome back RebelHR community.
We are going to have a funconversation today.
With us we have Pam Buchanan.
She is the founder of QuantumSense, and we are going to be
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talking about soul health today.
Pam, welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Thank you so much, Kyle.
I look forward to reaching outto your audience and discussing
soul health.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Well, likewise, I'm really excited for the
conversation today.
I get quite a few guest pitchesand this one was really, really
intriguing for me because it'sa different way to think about
employee health and well-being,and I think it's a really
important topic that we all kindof stay away from in the world
of human resources, but I dothink that it's an important
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thing to discuss openly, andthat's what the podcast is all
about.
So thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Great, wonderful.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
All right.
So you know.
My first question for you as afounder is is what motivated you
to found an organization thatfocuses on soul health?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
You know I was in corporate America for 40 years.
That seems like a long timeeven when I say it so you know I
had an amazing career in.
You know asset management andfintech and working with
companies.
You know in all sectors of themarket, so I feel I got a really
good handle on.
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You know how corporations arerun.
Especially, you know I was withNASDAQ for 15 years and I got
to work with startup companies,so they're molding.
You know their culture, andthat was fascinating to see as
well, and it was focused reallyon.
You know your physical health,and you know that's important,
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right?
You know being physicallyhealthy is very important.
You know companies offer gymmemberships or encourage people
to take time to take care oftheir body, and then, of course,
you know just recently, we'vehad mental health.
You know insurance companiesare covering mental health.
There's more talk about mentalhealth and how it affects your
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performance, and that'simportant as well, but what is
the third leg of the stoolthat's missing is soul health,
because we all hear the phrasemind, body and soul, so we're
not talking about that, though,and your soul is a part of your
being, just like your physicalbody obviously is a part of your
being.
Your mental body is a part ofyour physical being, but your
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soul is too, and so let's godeep.
It's really talking about adeeper aspect of yourself.
And do you know yourself?
You know how do you knowyourself, how are you motivated?
You know how do you show up inthe world, and I think that
really goes to soul health.
So I want to take the audienceinto a broader definition of
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soul, just other than the wayswe've been talking about it in
the past, which, again, I thinkpeople relate to the soul and
think religion.
It's not about religion, notabout religion.
You know.
Yes, religion may play a partin your practice of going deep
into your being and who you are,but your soul is yours, and
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let's get to know it at a deeperlevel.
And I feel I can talk aboutthis because I was born an
identical twin, so I came intothis world, if you will, I have
someone that has the samegenetic makeup as myself.
Right, physically we look alike.
Mentally I'd say we're prettymuch alike, but what
differentiates us is our souland how we show up in the world
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and where our paths have takenus.
So I am an individual, and whatmakes me an individual is my
soul.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah.
So I think, yeah, certainly, alot of times the connotation
with soul is religion, right, orspecifically organized religion
.
And so a lot of us, certainlyin corporate America, it's
almost like don't say it, don'tspeak it, you know, like, like
and and it's, it's, it's risky.
(04:32):
But I do think, especiallylately, we've talked a lot about
you know, we've talked a lotabout mental health and getting
your head right and, and youknow, kind of being in the right
mindset and being, you know,and being your own authentic
self.
And so what I'm hearing, whatI'm hearing you say, is is that
that, in order to truly kind ofsupport our employees in this
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aspect of of what we need themto do, we have to focus on soul
health?
Am I kind of in the right pathhere?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, no absolutely to focus on soul health.
Am I kind of in the right pathhere?
Yeah, no, absolutely.
You know to take yourorganization to that next level.
If you read news articles, itsays employees continue to be
unhappy.
So you know what is missing ifthe company, the employer, is
giving all of these resources.
I mean, never before have Iseen so many resources being
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devoted to employees and yetsomething's still missing.
So here you are as an HRprofessional.
You know providing, whetherit's educational services,
programs on different.
You know nutrition and you know, just as you said your mindset,
how to you know nutrition andyou know, just as you said your
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mindset, how to you know becomemore positive and engage.
And I think the way to talkabout that is through soul
health.
And you know it is a term thatyou know can be looked at as
okay.
We need to steer away from thisterm in corporate America, but
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I feel if you're broachingmental health, which is a
sensitive subject as well, youshould be able to broach soul
health, because that is theessence of a person.
So who is that person thatyou've employed?
Yes, you want a certain roleout of them.
They're hired to do a certainjob, but productivity is
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directly tied to you, know wellyour physical, mental and your
soul.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know I think it's interesting
and and so I've been I've beendoing this, this HR thing, for
roughly 20 years now.
It's interesting to see whathas shifted over the last two
decades.
You know, it started off as,like wellness, like biggest
loser contests, right, like whocan lose the most weight, yeah,
(07:04):
and then in recent history, it'sbeen talking about mental
health a little bit more openly,which I think is good.
But the truth is, people arestill unhealthy in many aspects
of their life.
Many people are still miserableat work, and my argument is so,
quite frankly, my argument on alot of these wellness programs
is they don't really work, andmy argument is, you know, so,
quite frankly, like, my argumenton a lot of these like wellness
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programs is they don't reallywork, like they're not really
working, like there's there'ssomething missing and and I feel
like you know it, many of themare very hollow and very like,
almost like, like, likecorporate-y right, like it's
like this isn't reallyincentivizing people to to be
healthy.
It's it's, it's like this isn'treally incentivizing people to
be healthy.
It's almost like you just needsomething to check the box to
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say you have a wellness program,but I'm still honestly waiting
for a program that wows me andsays, hey, this actually helps
your employees feel better, workmore productively, feel like
whole human beings and makebetter connections and
relationships with people theywork with.
I have yet to find that program, so help me understand.
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How does this fit into that?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Hopefully it will be the program Perfect.
I start with the senses.
That's why I name my companyQuantum Sense.
We all have our five senses,but again, how we interact and
what are the five senses doing?
They're helping us interactwith the outside environment.
So I call it let's go outsidein, let's not go inside out,
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let's go outside in.
So let's sit back and view ourenvironments that we put
ourselves in.
Are they healthy?
And what does that look likefor you?
And so, if we drill down to,okay, visually, what are we
seeing?
What is the room and the smellof the room?
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What are the noises that we'rehearing?
What are the noises that we'rehearing, you know, what are the
fabrics that we're touching?
So that goes from not only thework environment but to the home
environment.
How do you leave your house orstay in your house to interact
with your colleagues at work?
Are you showing up with intent?
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You know intent being, you knowhow do I want to show up today?
And asking yourself that, howdo I want to show up today with
my deepest, authentic,soul-based self?
And if you ask yourself thatquestion, you're like okay,
where do I begin?
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Okay, here I am.
You know I've been, you know,employed at this job for years,
you know what more can I bring?
I'm burnt out.
Well, let's take a step back andit almost puts you in a relaxed
mode or a receptive mode tostart taking in your environment
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through your senses, yourenvironment through your senses.
So it's as simple as that,right, like you and I, let's say
music is different for everyone, like what we hear and what
brings us up, what you knowbrings back memories.
(10:22):
But let's start talking aboutit and getting to know that
individual.
It's a simple, non-threateningway, right, to learn about your
employees.
What music do you like?
What colors do you like?
You know, what smells do youlike?
And then let's start infusingthat into the environment,
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because it really, as nikolatesla said, everything is energy
and that's all that matters isour energetic being, because
that's what the senses are.
They're engaging our nervoussystem, right, and our energetic
vibrations to bring this personto its fullest being so.
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And we got to start getting outof survival mode and put
ourselves into thrive mode.
And how do we do that?
We ground ourselves first.
So my program starts withground, elevate, evolve.
So let's ground ourselves intoour five senses.
(11:34):
Let's start talking about thefive senses and how we engage in
our environments, how we putour environments together.
So I consult a lot on you knowwhat does the work environment
look like?
And now more and more companiesare coming to their senses and
bringing in smells and bringingin music that has been shown
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scientifically to enhance theoverall well-being of people.
So it's almost like aninvisible program, if you will
right.
It doesn't even need to betalked about.
It's an invisible way to helpyour employees thrive if you set
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up an environment that issupportive for them.
And so it starts with how manyof your employees are grounded,
and I would beg to venture not alot are, because we all are
running the hamster wheel, right, just go.
(12:39):
But have you asked youremployees just to sit back,
employees just to sit back?
And and again, it's soindividual that then the
employee is thinking oh, theyare interested in who I am by
tapping into the five senses,and we all have them.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
And it's what individuates us, which equates
to your soul health.
I love that and I think so.
I'm a musician, so like youstart talking about music, Like
I think that, and I think manyof us could, whether you're, you
know we have, you know, a hobbyof you know arts or sports or
something like that Like there'ssomething that for some reason,
you know it, resonates with usas people and you know it's
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funny to me, Like when peoplefind out that I'm a musician,
the entire interaction changes,but by nothing more than them
realizing oh, this is a wholeperson, Right, this isn't like a
soulless person that just sendsa lot of corporate emails all
day long.
Yeah, Right.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Well, and a good way to put it, let's get real right.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Like those, wellness programs aren't succeeding
because you're not getting tothe depth of the human.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
And it doesn't have to be scary, off-topic.
You know subjects that we'vebeen told we, you know,
shouldn't broach, right, you'regetting to know that human, just
like you would, of course.
Let's say that your employeehad a heart attack.
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You would be concerned, youwould call the hospital, you
would reach out, talk about thehealth of that person.
You know, we're comfortablewith that.
But we can also visualize that,right, we can visualize the
hospital.
We can visualize the heart, allthe organs I call it organ
health.
Right, we can all talk aboutour organ health.
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Then mental health comes alongand that's become mainstream,
which is great.
Right, because that puts moreknowledge into the entire being.
But that can kind of be on asad note too.
Typically right, like, oh,you're depressed, you're anxious
.
I mean, our whole society isanxious because we're moving so
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fast, technology is coming at usso fast.
So why don't we start talkingabout it at the depth that we
need to, which, again, is thesoul and it is a part of your
being.
It's not, oh, I go to church ora synagogue and pray, right,
(15:21):
that's not what I'm talkingabout.
I'm not getting into thatreligious aspect.
I'm not getting into thatreligious aspect.
(15:42):
I'm getting into?
What do your senses tell youthat, how you know, help your
employees reach the moreproductive and successful your
company is.
It's in a non-threatening way,I guess I should say.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Well, I like, I like what I, I like how you're
describing it and I think it'sone of those things where it's a
great example of sometimes it'skind of hard to explain, right,
you know, like somebody'senergy that they bring, or you
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know a lot of HR professional,you know when someone's like
operating at a higher level,right, like there's a level of
energy that they bring, orfrequency or whatever terms you
want to use, but we don'tnecessarily have a great way to
explain it right or describe it.
Or you can't, like you can't,put your arms around it right or
describe it, or you can't, likeyou can't put your arms around
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it right, like you can't, youcan't see that, but it
definitely exists, right, and soI think that's where it gets.
It gets a little bit, a littlebit complicated, you know, and I
and I, and so I'm curious asyou've done this work and as
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you're helping kind of definesome of this work or help
organizations think differentlyabout this, how are you helping
them reframe this in a waythat's explainable, describable
like, accessible for people tounderstand how this?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
works.
Yeah, that's a great questionand it is challenging.
I'm not going to lie about that.
It's very challenging.
And you know, initially, youknow people immediately, you
know, shut the door and said, oh, that's religion, we don't.
You know.
Approach, that that's a personaltopic.
And then now, the more thatI've talked about it as the
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world has continued to evolve,you hear the word soul a little
bit more these days.
People are getting comfortable.
But especially when I say mind,body, soul, you have programs
for your body, right.
You have health programs thatsay, okay, let's get out and run
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the 5K.
You have nutrition programsthat say, okay, let's get out
and run the 5K.
You have nutrition consultants.
Come in, you may have healthysnacks in your office place.
That's the norm, and so that'stalked about.
But why can't we talk about thesoul in a non-threatening or
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non-invasive way?
So I think that finding thewords is still challenging for
me because I'm so deep into it.
But when I say it's sense tosoul or when I say it's at the
quantum, we're going into thisquantum era, right?
(18:52):
We, we all hear the wordquantum.
We didn't hear that word threeyears ago.
Now we hear it all the time.
Let's get to the next level.
What does that mean?
It's just the next level.
So are you innovating?
It goes back to innovation also.
Are you innovating?
Are you encouraging creativityout of a person?
So I think that's when you sayyou're a musician, I say oh wow,
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he's creative.
You know, he's not just, as yousaid, a person sending emails
behind a screen.
He has creativity.
So it goes into.
Maybe we start talking aboutcreativity yeah, that word.
And so I have a program calledRad Curiosity, basically taking
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your curiosity to the next level.
So I start with that a lot oftimes and say let's just talk
about curiosity.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Let's get that, and everybody can Right right and
relate to the senses.
Now, a lot of times they saywhat can I learn more about the
senses?
Well, it goes deep, right intohow our nervous systems interact
with the environment around us.
(20:07):
And now, you see, sound healthis gaining momentum.
There's businesses out therethat are helping Parkinson's.
You hear more and more aboutmusic that's played in hospital
operating rooms, and again itgoes down to the frequency.
So I bring in some soundengineers as well and let's talk
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about frequency.
Let's talk about the Hertzlevel.
Let's talk about the Hertzlevel.
So I try to make itscience-based, so that you learn
more about what's going onwithin your body as you are
tapping into your soul.
So let's make it science-based,let's base it on curiosity, and
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so I should probably name mycompany Science of the Soul,
right, and let's learn moreabout that.
And there is, you know,evidence-based science behind
that.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah.
So I think you know let's nottake'll just totally nerd out.
We get into sound therapy.
There are certain frequenciesand as a musician you figure out
there's 440 hertz and all thesethings that you tune to to a
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certain frequency, at the rightvolume and like in the right,
like context of my body, and Ican get like full body
goosebumps and it's like okay,that tells me there's something
to this right, like there's areason that my body is reacting
in this way.
There's a reason that musicexists in all cultures,
regardless of you know, there'sno youtube, but there's, but
there's culture and and there'svery similar pitch, intonation
and scales.
There's, there's culture andthere's very similar pitch,
intonation and scales.
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There's minor differences, butthere's similarities throughout
all world music and that tellsme this is bigger than just some
small culture in the UnitedStates.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
This is like a human experience, right, I've played
folk over in Europe and are moreembracing this type of program,
so they're more open tolearning more about curiosity,
or I don't want to say softskills, but even you know, as we
(22:29):
speak, you know the WorldEconomic Forum is going on right
, so, and you know, deepakChopra is over there and they
have, you know, sessions oncuriosity and what are the
skills that are going to take usto the next millennium?
And that, your soft skills,your human skills, what makes us
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human?
Because, if you think about it,robots are being programmed
their intellect right.
They have intellect.
They can process data fasterthan you and I.
We've got to bring that out sothat we can, you know, compete
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with others.
Why do you hire people?
You know Elon Musk is famousfor saying I made a mistake.
I hired people just forintellect, not how we get along.
Yeah, you know.
And so that's important.
When you're building out a team, you know you could have
several candidates.
Maybe one has a higher IQ thanthis one over here, but this one
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over here brings the fullpackage Right and can interact
and maybe be more productivewithin a team, because we know
that it takes a team to get thejob done Every single time in
our corporate role.
We couldn't do it without theteam behind us.
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We each play a critical role tothat.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Right, you can't hear it right now, but there's
applause on the other end of thepodcast right now with HR
professionals saying, yes, youcan't just hire for intellect,
you got to hire for the fullpackage.
Yeah, yeah, we've seen it gowrong too many times.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, well, and what do you need to bring into that
right?
What questions do you ask?
What questions do you need totell your hiring managers?
You know, let's start lookingat the whole person.
You know, and you know, bringin you know, bring in you know
myself to talk about soul healthand why it is important and why
curiosity is important and whyyou need to look at an
individual at a broaderdefinition, and that's what it
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is.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
We're broadening the definition of who that being is.
Yeah, yeah, I love that and Ithink I think that's a lot of
what you know.
I think there's there's beenalmost a wave of of of content
and research around things likeyou know authenticity, how to
build trust, you know how to,how to you know kind of be be an
effective team leader, but I,for me, so much of it starts
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with, like your own, the waythat you interact with the world
, your own kind of completenessand how you show up every single
day.
And, yeah, it's about beingfocused on the whole picture,
right.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
We're taught, right?
No school taught that.
We're taught in a system thathad us all lined up in a row.
You know, all taking the sametests.
You know all judged on the samescale, right?
So that's why you hear a lot.
Oh well, this C student.
He succeeded and is now runninga successful corporation.
(25:49):
Why isn't my A student doingthat?
Right, because it takes more ofyour being to participate in
life.
Absolutely, how are youparticipating in life?
And so I think our corporationscan play a big role in that,
and schools should also startengaging more in the arts and
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creativity and valuing thosetypes of skills other than the
metrics that we use, and I thinkyou're going to see that
changing as well the educationsystem.
So our world is changing.
What is your corporation doingto help your employees engage in
the new world?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, yeah, not to chase too much of a tangent here
, but I have three kids andthey're all they're in
elementary and junior high andyou know, they, they, they
measure these kids on on readingand math.
Basically, you know a littlebit of reading comprehension,
but what's fascinating to meabout this and you overlay this
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over the changing world and AIand all of the IQ stuff that
they're measuring it's likethat's not a differentiator
anymore.
It doesn't how many times whenI was in school, my teacher was
like you're not going to have acalculator available all the
time.
You have to learn how to dothis longhand division.
No, I don't, yeah, no, I don't.
(27:15):
No, I can just ask ChatGgpt todo it for me.
And oh, by the way, they canbuild an excel spreadsheet
exactly how I want it.
And you know, I have to be ableto interpret it.
I have to be able to work, asit is, with a team.
I have to be able to work withothers and get them aligned
around a common goal.
I have to be able to to seebeyond these like black and
white concepts, and that's whatwe spend so much time focused on
(27:39):
.
That I do believe.
I totally agree that we're kindof missing the big picture and,
quite frankly, you know we'relosing what makes us human a
little bit if we focus too muchon this right.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Well, what is going to?
I mean, you hate to ask thequestion, but let's ask it what
is going to differentiate ahuman being versus a robot?
Because you're going to robotin your corporate environment,
right, we're going to startseeing those, you're going to
start interact.
So what is going todifferentiate yourself?
And that is your soul, yeah,your humanness, right, what is
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your humanness?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, it's interesting.
So I mean I will tell you rightnow we're already interacting
with robots.
Like I can tell when someoneuses like chat GPT to write an
email, like I can just tell, andit's funny, like, theoretically
, hypothetically, you shouldn'treally be able to Right.
It's funny like, theoretically,hypothetically, you shouldn't
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really be able to right, butthere's still an intuitive
capability as a human being thatAI does not have.
That's the secret sauce, right,like you can't replace that.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
How do you?
You know, I've always used myintuition and that's
non-tangible right.
Like you know in a lot ofinteractions I had, well, we
need to go through these stepsto get to that end result.
Well, I already know how to getthere intuitively.
(29:07):
So let's just skip all thesesteps that may take a year and
let's go for it, right?
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Okay, so let's get our employees tapping into their
intuition Again.
How do you get to yourintuition?
You start by knowing yourself,who you are trusting yourself.
It's not about trusting themanagers and the people you work
with.
Let's start with trustingourselves.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I love it.
And with that we're going toleave a little bit of a
punctuation mark on the podcast.
We're going to shift gears intothe Rebel HR flash round.
Are you ready?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Okay, I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
All right.
So from trusting yourself towhen do we need to rebel?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Wow, that is a great question.
I love that word rebellion,rebel.
I think we need to rebel andshow up as our true self, and
people don't do that.
They show up like we thinkothers want us to show up.
So let's start showing up asour true self and letting others
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in to our true self.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I could not agree more.
That would actually be myanswer if I were to ask myself
that question After all theseyears of doing this podcast.
I am convinced that the mostrebellious thing you can do is
show up as yourself.
Be yourself.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
And if you do that, then before this yeah, totally
agree.
Question number two who shouldwe be listening to?
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Wow, when you say listening to, are you?
What?
Are you referring to?
Media?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
TV, you can go whichever direction you want.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Okay, I can go Again.
Another broad question.
So who should you be listeningto?
I think you should be listeningto people that you're drawn to,
right, like who is your circleof friends?
Are they engaging?
Do they add to your curiosityand exposure to the world?
Do they add to different viewsof the world?
So push yourself to open yourmind and listen to different
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viewpoints right Across theboard, and then I would not
listen, but I would startreading books on different
topics.
Let's start reading about AIand how that works.
Let's start reading aboutquantum.
Let's start reading about, youknow, our um, our beings, and in
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a different light, like what,who?
Who are the authors that aretalking about a new world and
how we show up in that new work?
Who are the thought leaders?
Yeah, so I love it.
Yeah, I have a whole list ofthought leaders that I and to
stay with the theme.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
You know what I'm hearing is stay with the theme
of what we talked about.
You know, get curious, right?
You know, don't close your mindoff and stay open minded.
Yeah, all right.
Last question how can ourlisteners connect with you?
How can they learn more and get?
Speaker 1 (32:29):
connected.
Thank you, I would love to hearfrom your listeners.
Thank you, I would love to hearfrom your listeners.
Please reach out.
I have a website,thequantumsensecom
thequantumsensecom, and you caneven hear some frequency music I
have playing on the website andlearn more about my programs.
And then also I have a LinkedInpage Pam Buchanan or the
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Quantum Sense that you can reachout to me on.
So we'd love to even have aconversation, a dialogue.
Let's just start.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Stay curious and do some investigation, but I think
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what's so exciting about thetime here, pam, and about your
work, is that to me this seemsto help complete the wellness
picture a little bit.
This is a more holisticsolution to a problem that we
really haven't figured out, andso I appreciate you doing the
work here.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Holistic solution to a problem that we really haven't
figured out, and so Iappreciate you doing the work
here.
So be a part of innovation, bea leader for your corporation
and introduce this type ofprogram.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally agree, Pam.
Thank you again for the timetoday and for spending just a
few minutes with us, and I can'twait to hear the reaction.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
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Baby.
This is the Rebel HR podcast, the podcast about all
things innovation in thepeople's space.
I'm Kyle Rode.
Let's start the show.
All right, welcome back RebelHR community.
We are going to have a funconversation today.
With us we have Pam Buchanan.
She is the founder of QuantumSense, and we are going to be
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talking about soul health today.
Pam, welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Thank you so much, Kyle.
I look forward to reaching outto your audience and discussing
soul health.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Well, likewise, I'm really excited for the
conversation today.
I get quite a few guest pitchesand this one was really, really
intriguing for me because it'sa different way to think about
employee health and well-being,and I think it's a really
important topic that we all kindof stay away from in the world
of human resources, but I dothink that it's an important
(00:58):
thing to discuss openly, andthat's what the podcast is all
about.
So thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Great, wonderful.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
All right.
So you know.
My first question for you as afounder is is what motivated you
to found an organization thatfocuses on soul health?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
You know I was in corporate America for 40 years.
That seems like a long timeeven when I say it so you know I
had an amazing career in.
You know asset management andfintech and working with
companies.
You know in all sectors of themarket, so I feel I got a really
good handle on.
(01:41):
You know how corporations arerun.
Especially, you know I was withNASDAQ for 15 years and I got
to work with startup companies,so they're molding.
You know their culture, andthat was fascinating to see as
well, and it was focused reallyon.
You know your physical health,and you know that's important,
(02:02):
right?
You know being physicallyhealthy is very important.
You know companies offer gymmemberships or encourage people
to take time to take care oftheir body, and then, of course,
you know just recently, we'vehad mental health.
You know insurance companiesare covering mental health.
There's more talk about mentalhealth and how it affects your
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performance, and that'simportant as well, but what is
the third leg of the stoolthat's missing is soul health,
because we all hear the phrasemind, body and soul, so we're
not talking about that, though,and your soul is a part of your
being, just like your physicalbody obviously is a part of your
being.
Your mental body is a part ofyour physical being, but your
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soul is too, and so let's godeep.
It's really talking about adeeper aspect of yourself.
And do you know yourself?
You know how do you knowyourself, how are you motivated?
You know how do you show up inthe world, and I think that
really goes to soul health.
So I want to take the audienceinto a broader definition of
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soul, just other than the wayswe've been talking about it in
the past, which, again, I thinkpeople relate to the soul and
think religion.
It's not about religion, notabout religion.
You know.
Yes, religion may play a partin your practice of going deep
into your being and who you are,but your soul is yours, and
(03:36):
let's get to know it at a deeperlevel.
And I feel I can talk aboutthis because I was born an
identical twin, so I came intothis world, if you will, I have
someone that has the samegenetic makeup as myself.
Right, physically we look alike.
Mentally I'd say we're prettymuch alike, but what
differentiates us is our souland how we show up in the world
(04:00):
and where our paths have takenus.
So I am an individual, and whatmakes me an individual is my
soul.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah.
So I think, yeah, certainly, alot of times the connotation
with soul is religion, right, orspecifically organized religion
.
And so a lot of us, certainlyin corporate America, it's
almost like don't say it, don'tspeak it, you know, like, like
and and it's, it's, it's risky.
(04:32):
But I do think, especiallylately, we've talked a lot about
you know, we've talked a lotabout mental health and getting
your head right and, and youknow, kind of being in the right
mindset and being, you know,and being your own authentic
self.
And so what I'm hearing, whatI'm hearing you say, is is that
that, in order to truly kind ofsupport our employees in this
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aspect of of what we need themto do, we have to focus on soul
health?
Am I kind of in the right pathhere?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, no absolutely to focus on soul health.
Am I kind of in the right pathhere?
Yeah, no, absolutely.
You know to take yourorganization to that next level.
If you read news articles, itsays employees continue to be
unhappy.
So you know what is missing ifthe company, the employer, is
giving all of these resources.
I mean, never before have Iseen so many resources being
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devoted to employees and yetsomething's still missing.
So here you are as an HRprofessional.
You know providing, whetherit's educational services,
programs on different.
You know nutrition and you know, just as you said your mindset,
how to you know nutrition andyou know, just as you said your
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mindset, how to you know becomemore positive and engage.
And I think the way to talkabout that is through soul
health.
And you know it is a term thatyou know can be looked at as
okay.
We need to steer away from thisterm in corporate America, but
(06:08):
I feel if you're broachingmental health, which is a
sensitive subject as well, youshould be able to broach soul
health, because that is theessence of a person.
So who is that person thatyou've employed?
Yes, you want a certain roleout of them.
They're hired to do a certainjob, but productivity is
(06:30):
directly tied to you, know wellyour physical, mental and your
soul.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know I think it's interesting
and and so I've been I've beendoing this, this HR thing, for
roughly 20 years now.
It's interesting to see whathas shifted over the last two
decades.
You know, it started off as,like wellness, like biggest
loser contests, right, like whocan lose the most weight, yeah,
(07:04):
and then in recent history, it'sbeen talking about mental
health a little bit more openly,which I think is good.
But the truth is, people arestill unhealthy in many aspects
of their life.
Many people are still miserableat work, and my argument is so,
quite frankly, my argument on alot of these wellness programs
is they don't really work, andmy argument is, you know, so,
quite frankly, like, my argumenton a lot of these like wellness
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programs is they don't reallywork, like they're not really
working, like there's there'ssomething missing and and I feel
like you know it, many of themare very hollow and very like,
almost like, like, likecorporate-y right, like it's
like this isn't reallyincentivizing people to to be
healthy.
It's it's, it's like this isn'treally incentivizing people to
be healthy.
It's almost like you just needsomething to check the box to
(07:50):
say you have a wellness program,but I'm still honestly waiting
for a program that wows me andsays, hey, this actually helps
your employees feel better, workmore productively, feel like
whole human beings and makebetter connections and
relationships with people theywork with.
I have yet to find that program, so help me understand.
(08:11):
How does this fit into that?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Hopefully it will be the program Perfect.
I start with the senses.
That's why I name my companyQuantum Sense.
We all have our five senses,but again, how we interact and
what are the five senses doing?
They're helping us interactwith the outside environment.
So I call it let's go outsidein, let's not go inside out,
(08:36):
let's go outside in.
So let's sit back and view ourenvironments that we put
ourselves in.
Are they healthy?
And what does that look likefor you?
And so, if we drill down to,okay, visually, what are we
seeing?
What is the room and the smellof the room?
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What are the noises that we'rehearing?
What are the noises that we'rehearing, you know, what are the
fabrics that we're touching?
So that goes from not only thework environment but to the home
environment.
How do you leave your house orstay in your house to interact
with your colleagues at work?
Are you showing up with intent?
(09:20):
You know intent being, you knowhow do I want to show up today?
And asking yourself that, howdo I want to show up today with
my deepest, authentic,soul-based self?
And if you ask yourself thatquestion, you're like okay,
where do I begin?
(09:40):
Okay, here I am.
You know I've been, you know,employed at this job for years,
you know what more can I bring?
I'm burnt out.
Well, let's take a step back andit almost puts you in a relaxed
mode or a receptive mode tostart taking in your environment
(10:01):
through your senses, yourenvironment through your senses.
So it's as simple as that,right, like you and I, let's say
music is different for everyone, like what we hear and what
brings us up, what you knowbrings back memories.
(10:22):
But let's start talking aboutit and getting to know that
individual.
It's a simple, non-threateningway, right, to learn about your
employees.
What music do you like?
What colors do you like?
You know, what smells do youlike?
And then let's start infusingthat into the environment,
(10:45):
because it really, as nikolatesla said, everything is energy
and that's all that matters isour energetic being, because
that's what the senses are.
They're engaging our nervoussystem, right, and our energetic
vibrations to bring this personto its fullest being so.
(11:09):
And we got to start getting outof survival mode and put
ourselves into thrive mode.
And how do we do that?
We ground ourselves first.
So my program starts withground, elevate, evolve.
So let's ground ourselves intoour five senses.
(11:34):
Let's start talking about thefive senses and how we engage in
our environments, how we putour environments together.
So I consult a lot on you knowwhat does the work environment
look like?
And now more and more companiesare coming to their senses and
bringing in smells and bringingin music that has been shown
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scientifically to enhance theoverall well-being of people.
So it's almost like aninvisible program, if you will
right.
It doesn't even need to betalked about.
It's an invisible way to helpyour employees thrive if you set
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up an environment that issupportive for them.
And so it starts with how manyof your employees are grounded,
and I would beg to venture not alot are, because we all are
running the hamster wheel, right, just go.
(12:39):
But have you asked youremployees just to sit back,
employees just to sit back?
And and again, it's soindividual that then the
employee is thinking oh, theyare interested in who I am by
tapping into the five senses,and we all have them.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
And it's what individuates us, which equates
to your soul health.
I love that and I think so.
I'm a musician, so like youstart talking about music, Like
I think that, and I think manyof us could, whether you're, you
know we have, you know, a hobbyof you know arts or sports or
something like that Like there'ssomething that for some reason,
you know it, resonates with usas people and you know it's
(13:29):
funny to me, Like when peoplefind out that I'm a musician,
the entire interaction changes,but by nothing more than them
realizing oh, this is a wholeperson, Right, this isn't like a
soulless person that just sendsa lot of corporate emails all
day long.
Yeah, Right.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Well, and a good way to put it, let's get real right.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Like those, wellness programs aren't succeeding
because you're not getting tothe depth of the human.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
And it doesn't have to be scary, off-topic.
You know subjects that we'vebeen told we, you know,
shouldn't broach, right, you'regetting to know that human, just
like you would, of course.
Let's say that your employeehad a heart attack.
(14:18):
You would be concerned, youwould call the hospital, you
would reach out, talk about thehealth of that person.
You know, we're comfortablewith that.
But we can also visualize that,right, we can visualize the
hospital.
We can visualize the heart, allthe organs I call it organ
health.
Right, we can all talk aboutour organ health.
(14:40):
Then mental health comes alongand that's become mainstream,
which is great.
Right, because that puts moreknowledge into the entire being.
But that can kind of be on asad note too.
Typically right, like, oh,you're depressed, you're anxious
.
I mean, our whole society isanxious because we're moving so
(15:01):
fast, technology is coming at usso fast.
So why don't we start talkingabout it at the depth that we
need to, which, again, is thesoul and it is a part of your
being.
It's not, oh, I go to church ora synagogue and pray, right,
(15:21):
that's not what I'm talkingabout.
I'm not getting into thatreligious aspect.
I'm not getting into thatreligious aspect.
(15:42):
I'm getting into?
What do your senses tell youthat, how you know, help your
employees reach the moreproductive and successful your
company is.
It's in a non-threatening way,I guess I should say.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Well, I like, I like what I, I like how you're
describing it and I think it'sone of those things where it's a
great example of sometimes it'skind of hard to explain, right,
you know, like somebody'senergy that they bring, or you
(16:27):
know a lot of HR professional,you know when someone's like
operating at a higher level,right, like there's a level of
energy that they bring, orfrequency or whatever terms you
want to use, but we don'tnecessarily have a great way to
explain it right or describe it.
Or you can't, like you can't,put your arms around it right or
describe it, or you can't, likeyou can't put your arms around
(16:48):
it right, like you can't, youcan't see that, but it
definitely exists, right, and soI think that's where it gets.
It gets a little bit, a littlebit complicated, you know, and I
and I, and so I'm curious asyou've done this work and as
(17:08):
you're helping kind of definesome of this work or help
organizations think differentlyabout this, how are you helping
them reframe this in a waythat's explainable, describable
like, accessible for people tounderstand how this?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
works.
Yeah, that's a great questionand it is challenging.
I'm not going to lie about that.
It's very challenging.
And you know, initially, youknow people immediately, you
know, shut the door and said, oh, that's religion, we don't.
You know.
Approach, that that's a personaltopic.
And then now, the more thatI've talked about it as the
(17:46):
world has continued to evolve,you hear the word soul a little
bit more these days.
People are getting comfortable.
But especially when I say mind,body, soul, you have programs
for your body, right.
You have health programs thatsay, okay, let's get out and run
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the 5K.
You have nutrition programsthat say, okay, let's get out
and run the 5K.
You have nutrition consultants.
Come in, you may have healthysnacks in your office place.
That's the norm, and so that'stalked about.
But why can't we talk about thesoul in a non-threatening or
(18:29):
non-invasive way?
So I think that finding thewords is still challenging for
me because I'm so deep into it.
But when I say it's sense tosoul or when I say it's at the
quantum, we're going into thisquantum era, right?
(18:52):
We, we all hear the wordquantum.
We didn't hear that word threeyears ago.
Now we hear it all the time.
Let's get to the next level.
What does that mean?
It's just the next level.
So are you innovating?
It goes back to innovation also.
Are you innovating?
Are you encouraging creativityout of a person?
So I think that's when you sayyou're a musician, I say oh wow,
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he's creative.
You know, he's not just, as yousaid, a person sending emails
behind a screen.
He has creativity.
So it goes into.
Maybe we start talking aboutcreativity yeah, that word.
And so I have a program calledRad Curiosity, basically taking
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your curiosity to the next level.
So I start with that a lot oftimes and say let's just talk
about curiosity.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Let's get that, and everybody can Right right and
relate to the senses.
Now, a lot of times they saywhat can I learn more about the
senses?
Well, it goes deep, right intohow our nervous systems interact
with the environment around us.
(20:07):
And now, you see, sound healthis gaining momentum.
There's businesses out therethat are helping Parkinson's.
You hear more and more aboutmusic that's played in hospital
operating rooms, and again itgoes down to the frequency.
So I bring in some soundengineers as well and let's talk
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about frequency.
Let's talk about the Hertzlevel.
Let's talk about the Hertzlevel.
So I try to make itscience-based, so that you learn
more about what's going onwithin your body as you are
tapping into your soul.
So let's make it science-based,let's base it on curiosity, and
(20:51):
so I should probably name mycompany Science of the Soul,
right, and let's learn moreabout that.
And there is, you know,evidence-based science behind
that.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah.
So I think you know let's nottake'll just totally nerd out.
We get into sound therapy.
There are certain frequenciesand as a musician you figure out
there's 440 hertz and all thesethings that you tune to to a
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certain frequency, at the rightvolume and like in the right,
like context of my body, and Ican get like full body
goosebumps and it's like okay,that tells me there's something
to this right, like there's areason that my body is reacting
in this way.
There's a reason that musicexists in all cultures,
regardless of you know, there'sno youtube, but there's, but
there's culture and and there'svery similar pitch, intonation
and scales.
There's, there's culture andthere's very similar pitch,
intonation and scales.
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There's minor differences, butthere's similarities throughout
all world music and that tellsme this is bigger than just some
small culture in the UnitedStates.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
This is like a human experience, right, I've played
folk over in Europe and are moreembracing this type of program,
so they're more open tolearning more about curiosity,
or I don't want to say softskills, but even you know, as we
(22:29):
speak, you know the WorldEconomic Forum is going on right
, so, and you know, deepakChopra is over there and they
have, you know, sessions oncuriosity and what are the
skills that are going to take usto the next millennium?
And that, your soft skills,your human skills, what makes us
(22:50):
human?
Because, if you think about it,robots are being programmed
their intellect right.
They have intellect.
They can process data fasterthan you and I.
We've got to bring that out sothat we can, you know, compete
(23:20):
with others.
Why do you hire people?
You know Elon Musk is famousfor saying I made a mistake.
I hired people just forintellect, not how we get along.
Yeah, you know.
And so that's important.
When you're building out a team, you know you could have
several candidates.
Maybe one has a higher IQ thanthis one over here, but this one
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over here brings the fullpackage Right and can interact
and maybe be more productivewithin a team, because we know
that it takes a team to get thejob done Every single time in
our corporate role.
We couldn't do it without theteam behind us.
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We each play a critical role tothat.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Right, you can't hear it right now, but there's
applause on the other end of thepodcast right now with HR
professionals saying, yes, youcan't just hire for intellect,
you got to hire for the fullpackage.
Yeah, yeah, we've seen it gowrong too many times.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, well, and what do you need to bring into that
right?
What questions do you ask?
What questions do you need totell your hiring managers?
You know, let's start lookingat the whole person.
You know, and you know, bringin you know, bring in you know
myself to talk about soul healthand why it is important and why
curiosity is important and whyyou need to look at an
individual at a broaderdefinition, and that's what it
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is.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
We're broadening the definition of who that being is.
Yeah, yeah, I love that and Ithink I think that's a lot of
what you know.
I think there's there's beenalmost a wave of of of content
and research around things likeyou know authenticity, how to
build trust, you know how to,how to you know kind of be be an
effective team leader, but I,for me, so much of it starts
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with, like your own, the waythat you interact with the world
, your own kind of completenessand how you show up every single
day.
And, yeah, it's about beingfocused on the whole picture,
right.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
We're taught, right?
No school taught that.
We're taught in a system thathad us all lined up in a row.
You know, all taking the sametests.
You know all judged on the samescale, right?
So that's why you hear a lot.
Oh well, this C student.
He succeeded and is now runninga successful corporation.
(25:49):
Why isn't my A student doingthat?
Right, because it takes more ofyour being to participate in
life.
Absolutely, how are youparticipating in life?
And so I think our corporationscan play a big role in that,
and schools should also startengaging more in the arts and
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creativity and valuing thosetypes of skills other than the
metrics that we use, and I thinkyou're going to see that
changing as well the educationsystem.
So our world is changing.
What is your corporation doingto help your employees engage in
the new world?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, yeah, not to chase too much of a tangent here
, but I have three kids andthey're all they're in
elementary and junior high andyou know, they, they, they
measure these kids on on readingand math.
Basically, you know a littlebit of reading comprehension,
but what's fascinating to meabout this and you overlay this
(26:53):
over the changing world and AIand all of the IQ stuff that
they're measuring it's likethat's not a differentiator
anymore.
It doesn't how many times whenI was in school, my teacher was
like you're not going to have acalculator available all the
time.
You have to learn how to dothis longhand division.
No, I don't, yeah, no, I don't.
(27:15):
No, I can just ask ChatGgpt todo it for me.
And oh, by the way, they canbuild an excel spreadsheet
exactly how I want it.
And you know, I have to be ableto interpret it.
I have to be able to work, asit is, with a team.
I have to be able to work withothers and get them aligned
around a common goal.
I have to be able to to seebeyond these like black and
white concepts, and that's whatwe spend so much time focused on
(27:39):
.
That I do believe.
I totally agree that we're kindof missing the big picture and,
quite frankly, you know we'relosing what makes us human a
little bit if we focus too muchon this right.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Well, what is going to?
I mean, you hate to ask thequestion, but let's ask it what
is going to differentiate ahuman being versus a robot?
Because you're going to robotin your corporate environment,
right, we're going to startseeing those, you're going to
start interact.
So what is going todifferentiate yourself?
And that is your soul, yeah,your humanness, right, what is
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your humanness?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, it's interesting.
So I mean I will tell you rightnow we're already interacting
with robots.
Like I can tell when someoneuses like chat GPT to write an
email, like I can just tell, andit's funny, like, theoretically
, hypothetically, you shouldn'treally be able to Right.
It's funny like, theoretically,hypothetically, you shouldn't
(28:36):
really be able to right, butthere's still an intuitive
capability as a human being thatAI does not have.
That's the secret sauce, right,like you can't replace that.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
How do you?
You know, I've always used myintuition and that's
non-tangible right.
Like you know in a lot ofinteractions I had, well, we
need to go through these stepsto get to that end result.
Well, I already know how to getthere intuitively.
(29:07):
So let's just skip all thesesteps that may take a year and
let's go for it, right?
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Okay, so let's get our employees tapping into their
intuition Again.
How do you get to yourintuition?
You start by knowing yourself,who you are trusting yourself.
It's not about trusting themanagers and the people you work
with.
Let's start with trustingourselves.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I love it.
And with that we're going toleave a little bit of a
punctuation mark on the podcast.
We're going to shift gears intothe Rebel HR flash round.
Are you ready?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Okay, I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
All right.
So from trusting yourself towhen do we need to rebel?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Wow, that is a great question.
I love that word rebellion,rebel.
I think we need to rebel andshow up as our true self, and
people don't do that.
They show up like we thinkothers want us to show up.
So let's start showing up asour true self and letting others
(30:19):
in to our true self.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I could not agree more.
That would actually be myanswer if I were to ask myself
that question After all theseyears of doing this podcast.
I am convinced that the mostrebellious thing you can do is
show up as yourself.
Be yourself.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
And if you do that, then before this yeah, totally
agree.
Question number two who shouldwe be listening to?
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Wow, when you say listening to, are you?
What?
Are you referring to?
Media?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
TV, you can go whichever direction you want.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Okay, I can go Again.
Another broad question.
So who should you be listeningto?
I think you should be listeningto people that you're drawn to,
right, like who is your circleof friends?
Are they engaging?
Do they add to your curiosityand exposure to the world?
Do they add to different viewsof the world?
So push yourself to open yourmind and listen to different
(31:34):
viewpoints right Across theboard, and then I would not
listen, but I would startreading books on different
topics.
Let's start reading about AIand how that works.
Let's start reading aboutquantum.
Let's start reading about, youknow, our um, our beings, and in
(31:57):
a different light, like what,who?
Who are the authors that aretalking about a new world and
how we show up in that new work?
Who are the thought leaders?
Yeah, so I love it.
Yeah, I have a whole list ofthought leaders that I and to
stay with the theme.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
You know what I'm hearing is stay with the theme
of what we talked about.
You know, get curious, right?
You know, don't close your mindoff and stay open minded.
Yeah, all right.
Last question how can ourlisteners connect with you?
How can they learn more and get?
Speaker 1 (32:29):
connected.
Thank you, I would love to hearfrom your listeners.
Thank you, I would love to hearfrom your listeners.
Please reach out.
I have a website,thequantumsensecom
thequantumsensecom, and you caneven hear some frequency music I
have playing on the website andlearn more about my programs.
And then also I have a LinkedInpage Pam Buchanan or the
(32:52):
Quantum Sense that you can reachout to me on.
So we'd love to even have aconversation, a dialogue.
Let's just start.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Stay curious and do some investigation, but I think
(33:28):
what's so exciting about thetime here, pam, and about your
work, is that to me this seemsto help complete the wellness
picture a little bit.
This is a more holisticsolution to a problem that we
really haven't figured out, andso I appreciate you doing the
work here.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Holistic solution to a problem that we really haven't
figured out, and so Iappreciate you doing the work
here.
So be a part of innovation, bea leader for your corporation
and introduce this type ofprogram.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally agree, Pam.
Thank you again for the timetoday and for spending just a
few minutes with us, and I can'twait to hear the reaction.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
All right, that does it for the Rebel HR podcast.
Big thank you to our guests.
Follow us on Facebook at RebelHR podcast, twitter at Rebel HR
guy, or see our website at rebelhuman resourcescom.
The views and opinionsexpressed by rebel Hr podcast
are those of the authors and donot necessarily reflect the
official policy or position ofany of the organizations that we
(34:26):
represent.
No animals were harmed duringthe filming of this podcast.
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