February 21, 2024 • 15 mins
Preston and Michael discuss how they've dealt with anxiety and panic attacks - how to turn anxiety into fuel for change and steps to get out of crippling anxiety.
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Preston (00:08):
I just think of chopping wood.
My mind is I feel like I'm justchopping some wood.
Yeah.
I went and collected a bunchabout I don't know, a couple of
weeks ago and it's just beensitting.
So I just figured I'd use thatas a workout today.
Go chop some of it down andthat's the best.
I don't plan on stacking ittoday, but that's not as fun as
(00:29):
chopping it.
Michael (00:31):
I agree.
I just like to keep on choppingit and then it's in this pile of
wood all around you and there'swood chips everywhere and you
look around and you're like,dang, I've done some work here.
Preston (00:41):
Damn that's what I'm talking about.
Anyway, so yeah, welcome toepisode 50 with Preston and
Michael.
Killing it today.
We are just going to do a quickunedited I don't know, Michael's
probably going to edit somestuff out, but With AI.
We're just going to do someSunday fun day, hanging around,
(01:05):
talking about What are we goingto talk about today, Michael,
you had a brought up a good oneto me or texts about an hour
ago.
Yeah,
Michael (01:11):
we were on the reclaiming mind rotation this
week.
And I was thinking about whathave I been going through
mentally and what might berelevant and relatable, so to
speak.
And so I thought I'd chat alittle bit about something that
I don't have a ton of expertiseon per se, but I do have
experience with to a limiteddegree with anxiety and wanted
(01:34):
to chat with that.
Probably just in the past weekor two, some of its impacts on
me and how I've been navigatingthrough that and then press and
see what, some of yourexperiences have been with it
and just possible ways you'vebeen dealing with it or ways
that you overcome it in manycases, et cetera.
(01:55):
So anxiety.
Preston (01:58):
Yeah.
It's something that I think.
We can very easily just brushoff as oh, come on we're adults
what's there to be anxious aboutor have anxiety about?
And it's, sorry, my camera's, Idon't know why it went out and I
can't fix it while we're in themiddle of a thing, but No
worries.
(02:19):
It's something that I've yeah,been dealing with in the last
two years too, as far as havingI guess anxiety attacks they're
called.
And it's so weird.
It just came out of nowhere acouple, I don't know, like a
year and a half ago.
And, I'd heard about peoplehaving them before.
I remember, I feel like Iremember watching movies when we
(02:41):
were growing up in like the 90s.
Like where people would havethem and they'd get a paper bag
and they'd be like, Oh, justbreathe in and out of this paper
bag for a while.
It was almost like a comic jokein movies.
But if you've ever had I don'tknow where we're going to go
with anxiety if it's the anxietyattack aspect of it.
If you've ever had one, It's themost bizarre thing for me
(03:04):
personally, it's like you almostjust feel like you're gonna die
almost or something or have a,not have a heart attack because
like you it's so weird.
I don't know how to even explainit, but it's just like this
feeling where you're just like,holy fuck.
Michael (03:21):
Yeah, and I think it's To me, the reason I wanted to
talk about it a little bit isthere's such an interesting
connection between the mind andthe body.
And so we're talking reclaimingmind this week.
Next week, we'll talk onreclaiming body a little bit.
And I think this could reallyfall into either category
because To me, one of theinteresting things about anxiety
is sometimes it starts as aphysical feeling and then
(03:43):
becomes a mental, awareness andthen this sort of vicious cycle
where it's like physical firstand then there's other times
where it's mental first, whereyou start to have, racing
thoughts or things that, feel alittle more, they feel
overwhelming, like as far asyour thoughts go, and then
physically your body starts to,I think start to experience
(04:06):
those reactions to yourthoughts.
And so either way, however,whatever side they're triggered
on for me recently I would say Ifelt it both physically and
mentally, the thoughts led tophysically not literally wanting
to get out of bed, not wantingto move.
And so I guess I'll just, sharequickly.
(04:27):
On Wednesday when I woke up atlike around four, 430 or
something like that.
In advance of my alarm, I wasthinking about, Oh, what do I
have to do today?
And it was just a laundry listof things that started to just.
Continue to go.
And I realized like, Oh, there'sno end to this list or at least
that was the thought that I had.
Yeah.
And it probably isn't that wayfor everybody where it's just
(04:48):
based on external circumstancesof what's in front of you for
the day, as much as it, gosh, isa combination of everything
that's happened to us in ourlives and what we're what we're
drawing from those experiences.
But, either way, when It hit, 5,5.
30, I'm supposed to get out ofbed and I'm having these
thoughts like there's no, I justwon't be able to do this and
(05:08):
this sort of self doubt and allsorts of negative associated
emotions for anxiety startrolling in for me and then
physically.
Felt so ill as a result of it,stomach, my head, everything
just felt it was all going tohell and I was like, yeah,
incapacitated by it.
It was just, laying there forhours.
And finally, I honestly say bythe grace of God, I was laying
(05:32):
there and I was like, I got toput a time limit on this.
I've got to get going.
This is the exact opposite thingthat I know I need to be doing
whenever I have a lot of thingsto do.
I usually just Take it one thingat a time and so I think that's
the first thing I wanted toshare is, the when it comes to
anxiety that's related to thethings that you have to do with
outstanding work or something inyour job that's a challenge or
(05:55):
something circumstantially.
I think it's One of the beststrategies that I've used is to
start doing something reallysimply to get things back in
order.
And so I was like, I'm going towake up, I'm going to make my
bed and then I'm going to gointo my routine.
I don't care if I have, it's themiddle of the day at this point,
but I'm going to get into myroutine.
(06:16):
I'm going to do it as if itwere.
five in the morning or six inthe morning when I should be
doing it.
Yeah, that was the, my, myexperience with this past week
was, several hours of layingthere with thoughts that were
racing, but inability to reallydo anything about it physically,
or at least have thatperception.
And then, the recognition thatby doing something very simple,
(06:36):
I could break the cycle of thosethoughts and improve.
Nope, you, you got that done andyou.
Needed it needed to be donewhether it was started to drink
water or eat right or Dosomething like make my bed, yeah
little thing was the trigger forme feeling okay now I can start
tackling the rest of this listand then So my second step was
(06:57):
just writing out a list of whatare the most important things I
needed to do That day to helplessen the feeling of anxiety.
What are the things I neededthat were incomplete?
The things that I could do thatday.
So those were a couple of thestrategies that I used this past
week.
And it was like just a briefglimpse.
My wife, I don't think she wouldbe upset with me for sharing.
(07:19):
She knows she's someone who'sdealt with it on and off her
whole life, more on than off.
And so she would always say Oh,you just really don't get it.
And I don't have the samefrequency that that she does
with those anxiety or even likea panic attack necessarily.
But.
Definitely gave me some goodinsights just to be able to
empathize with her a little bit.
(07:40):
Anything that you've you foundin the past that helps you get
out of one of those panicattacks or Not really.
Or
Preston (07:47):
anything?
No, it's almost like you justactually, I should say one thing
that has helped.
When I've had them, because I'vehad two that were were like, I
called 911, like the first onethat I had, this was actually
still when I was back inCalifornia.
The first time I'd had one.
And it was like, I was like, Ohmy God, like what?
(08:08):
I just felt like I was going topass out or something.
And I.
I was in this like apartmentcomplex and I just saw one of
the like the workers that likedoes maintenance around and I
was like, Hey man, can you call9 1 1?
And they showed up and put theheart things on me and they're
like you're fine man.
You're probably just having apanic attack.
Like we can take you to thehospital if you want.
I was like they're not going todo anything about it.
(08:29):
That's just going to be an
Michael (08:30):
expensive, might give you some drugs, Preston.
Well,
Preston (08:33):
yeah.
But that's not realisticallygoing to long term solve
anything.
And then another.
Time where I called 9 1 1.
I was with like, I was driving,going on a hike with my family
and I was driving and I had thekids in the car and Erica and I
like just pulled over on theside of the freeway and I was
like, holy fuck and it's soweird.
And I just had to ride that waveout.
And as I've looked into thesethings and heard stories of
(08:56):
other people talking about itthat's what helps me get through
it knowing that other folks gothrough the same thing and that
there's yeah I haven't foundlike it's just like for me I
just got to ride it out and justknow hey, this is just Not
really real.
It's real.
It's so hard to what to call itbecause it's
Michael (09:17):
it's like you're experiencing it.
It's hard to put your finger onit because I think it's
something that is almost this myfather in law calls it like
irrational fears, like thingsthat you're, you can't even
really put your finger on thathave you feeling so like
Physically upset, your heart'sracing, your skin's crawling,
(09:38):
all sorts of different physicalsensations.
Like you said, and so it is,it's hard to, I think, put your
finger on it.
And to your earlier point, Iwas.
Speaking in just about drugs.
And I think there's likecertainly some of those
temporary band aids, things thatwill help whether it's Xanax or
something related to it, thatkind of just immediately calms
your body down.
(09:59):
And I think for some people,those are really helpful, but
there's a lot of other thingsthat we can be doing too, that,
I said a couple of strategiesthat I used to get out of my
little bit of a funk this week,but as my daughter has been
going through various things inschool and she's had like
chronic migraines and otherthings like that.
Yeah, she so she went to aneurologist last week and so
(10:21):
they're talking about whatthings that you can do to help
Reduce the stress that mightcause migraines and things like
that.
And of course he mentioned,exercise Hydration, I think
those are other things too thatalso really help with Anxiety is
you know keeping your bodyfueled with good stuff putting
good fuel into it but then alsolike the exercise and going
(10:43):
outside and getting yourself tothe the change of environment
that you need to re reframe someof your perspectives, whether
it's those irrational fears thatyou need to dispel, or just to
start moving, because I thinkoften when we're moving, it
really helps us overcome some ofthose those moments where we
(11:04):
feel like we're stuck, right?
Oh,
Preston (11:07):
yeah, I think.
I think it's much more a productof where we're at in our modern
society than it is.
Like it's not, like peopledidn't have these a hundred
years ago the way I think we donow.
Michael (11:19):
Yeah.
Oh, they think a lot of them areself inflicted.
Is that what you're saying?
Yeah.
Preston (11:23):
I don't know if self inflicted is the right word I'm
thinking of, but like in a way,because we're just sometimes,
we're scrolling throughInstagram and just doing a bunch
of stuff that's not reallyserving us and making us think
about things that don't reallymatter.
Where we should be out choppingwood.
You know what I mean?
Or that's the stuff that we usedto do that.
Michael (11:44):
That's exactly it.
You're occupying your mind withsomething like chopping wood is
a great example.
And as you said that earlier,it's like it combines so many.
It's just multitasking, right?
You're doing something that'suseful.
It's creating fuel, but you'reburning calories and energy.
So you're exercising, you'regetting stronger.
You're focusing on somethingthat doesn't really allow you to
(12:05):
focus on, what you're worriedabout tomorrow, because you're
like, Hey, I better make surethat I don't, hit my foot or
right.
Exactly.
Preston (12:14):
Yes.
You don't have time to worryabout.
Anything.
Michael (12:19):
Yeah.
So that's a really, I think thatis a good, just analog to, to
exercise and working out.
I don't know, we coulddefinitely talk about other
aspects of it and some of thereasons that I think anxiety is
more prevalent now, but I mainlyjust wanted to share a little
bit about like having gonethrough that.
(12:40):
What were those couple of piecesthat were helpful to me, which
were just like.
Doing something simple likemaking my bed and making a list
of things that need to be done.
And then taking things one, onelittle task at a time and then
making sure that I get rightback into the routine of
exercise and putting good foodand good things into my body.
(13:01):
Help me break through at leastin, in this most recent instance
for me.
Preston (13:07):
Yeah, thanks for sharing that because I think one
of the most important thingsabout what we talk about on
here.
Is that, we're just like youguys listening, like we're just
normal guys and we go throughthose things and these are our
journeys and our stories andit's if you're feeling that way,
it's like we've been there too.
Michael (13:30):
Yeah.
Preston (13:36):
Bah dum tah.
Michael (13:39):
I'll be interested too to revisit this at some point in
the future with.
With Scott and some other guestsbecause, I would love to even
have like my wife on and haveher talk a little bit more about
it.
And so we'll have to bring someother folks who maybe do have a
little bit more, not onlyexperience, but also like
expertise, so to speak becausethey've.
Spent more time either dealingwith it or studying it and
(14:00):
understanding it.
But yeah, I think it's easy tonegatively judge yourself at
first when you're having thosetypes of, moments of weakness is
what I describe them and where,you feel like you're not strong
enough to deal with something byyourself, but It's just, it's
very common for everybody to begoing through it and it's not to
(14:22):
I know it's not as stigmatizedas it once was, so that's
certainly the truth.
But totally.
But I think it's also reallyimportant for us as men to be
okay with the fact that, we'revulnerable to those types of
attacks, those types ofexperiences.
And the more that we talk aboutthem, I think the better we can
find paths through it.
A
Preston (14:41):
hundred percent agree with you, brother.
Michael (14:43):
Thanks for tuning in for relatively short and
succinct episode 50, a coupleepisodes away from 52, which
means we'll have Been at it fora year, which the timing is
pretty close to I think wekicked this off in March of last
year.
So yep, we'll get Scott on forthese One of these next couple
episodes have some interviewslined up as well.
(15:06):
So thanks for joining us.
Talk soon.
Have a
Preston (15:12):
great week, gentlemen.
I just think of chopping wood.
My mind is I feel like I'm justchopping some wood.
Yeah.
I went and collected a bunchabout I don't know, a couple of
weeks ago and it's just beensitting.
So I just figured I'd use thatas a workout today.
Go chop some of it down andthat's the best.
I don't plan on stacking ittoday, but that's not as fun as
(00:29):
chopping it.
Michael (00:31):
I agree.
I just like to keep on choppingit and then it's in this pile of
wood all around you and there'swood chips everywhere and you
look around and you're like,dang, I've done some work here.
Preston (00:41):
Damn that's what I'm talking about.
Anyway, so yeah, welcome toepisode 50 with Preston and
Michael.
Killing it today.
We are just going to do a quickunedited I don't know, Michael's
probably going to edit somestuff out, but With AI.
We're just going to do someSunday fun day, hanging around,
(01:05):
talking about What are we goingto talk about today, Michael,
you had a brought up a good oneto me or texts about an hour
ago.
Yeah,
Michael (01:11):
we were on the reclaiming mind rotation this
week.
And I was thinking about whathave I been going through
mentally and what might berelevant and relatable, so to
speak.
And so I thought I'd chat alittle bit about something that
I don't have a ton of expertiseon per se, but I do have
experience with to a limiteddegree with anxiety and wanted
(01:34):
to chat with that.
Probably just in the past weekor two, some of its impacts on
me and how I've been navigatingthrough that and then press and
see what, some of yourexperiences have been with it
and just possible ways you'vebeen dealing with it or ways
that you overcome it in manycases, et cetera.
(01:55):
So anxiety.
Preston (01:58):
Yeah.
It's something that I think.
We can very easily just brushoff as oh, come on we're adults
what's there to be anxious aboutor have anxiety about?
And it's, sorry, my camera's, Idon't know why it went out and I
can't fix it while we're in themiddle of a thing, but No
worries.
(02:19):
It's something that I've yeah,been dealing with in the last
two years too, as far as havingI guess anxiety attacks they're
called.
And it's so weird.
It just came out of nowhere acouple, I don't know, like a
year and a half ago.
And, I'd heard about peoplehaving them before.
I remember, I feel like Iremember watching movies when we
(02:41):
were growing up in like the 90s.
Like where people would havethem and they'd get a paper bag
and they'd be like, Oh, justbreathe in and out of this paper
bag for a while.
It was almost like a comic jokein movies.
But if you've ever had I don'tknow where we're going to go
with anxiety if it's the anxietyattack aspect of it.
If you've ever had one, It's themost bizarre thing for me
(03:04):
personally, it's like you almostjust feel like you're gonna die
almost or something or have a,not have a heart attack because
like you it's so weird.
I don't know how to even explainit, but it's just like this
feeling where you're just like,holy fuck.
Michael (03:21):
Yeah, and I think it's To me, the reason I wanted to
talk about it a little bit isthere's such an interesting
connection between the mind andthe body.
And so we're talking reclaimingmind this week.
Next week, we'll talk onreclaiming body a little bit.
And I think this could reallyfall into either category
because To me, one of theinteresting things about anxiety
is sometimes it starts as aphysical feeling and then
(03:43):
becomes a mental, awareness andthen this sort of vicious cycle
where it's like physical firstand then there's other times
where it's mental first, whereyou start to have, racing
thoughts or things that, feel alittle more, they feel
overwhelming, like as far asyour thoughts go, and then
physically your body starts to,I think start to experience
(04:06):
those reactions to yourthoughts.
And so either way, however,whatever side they're triggered
on for me recently I would say Ifelt it both physically and
mentally, the thoughts led tophysically not literally wanting
to get out of bed, not wantingto move.
And so I guess I'll just, sharequickly.
(04:27):
On Wednesday when I woke up atlike around four, 430 or
something like that.
In advance of my alarm, I wasthinking about, Oh, what do I
have to do today?
And it was just a laundry listof things that started to just.
Continue to go.
And I realized like, Oh, there'sno end to this list or at least
that was the thought that I had.
Yeah.
And it probably isn't that wayfor everybody where it's just
(04:48):
based on external circumstancesof what's in front of you for
the day, as much as it, gosh, isa combination of everything
that's happened to us in ourlives and what we're what we're
drawing from those experiences.
But, either way, when It hit, 5,5.
30, I'm supposed to get out ofbed and I'm having these
thoughts like there's no, I justwon't be able to do this and
(05:08):
this sort of self doubt and allsorts of negative associated
emotions for anxiety startrolling in for me and then
physically.
Felt so ill as a result of it,stomach, my head, everything
just felt it was all going tohell and I was like, yeah,
incapacitated by it.
It was just, laying there forhours.
And finally, I honestly say bythe grace of God, I was laying
(05:32):
there and I was like, I got toput a time limit on this.
I've got to get going.
This is the exact opposite thingthat I know I need to be doing
whenever I have a lot of thingsto do.
I usually just Take it one thingat a time and so I think that's
the first thing I wanted toshare is, the when it comes to
anxiety that's related to thethings that you have to do with
outstanding work or something inyour job that's a challenge or
(05:55):
something circumstantially.
I think it's One of the beststrategies that I've used is to
start doing something reallysimply to get things back in
order.
And so I was like, I'm going towake up, I'm going to make my
bed and then I'm going to gointo my routine.
I don't care if I have, it's themiddle of the day at this point,
but I'm going to get into myroutine.
(06:16):
I'm going to do it as if itwere.
five in the morning or six inthe morning when I should be
doing it.
Yeah, that was the, my, myexperience with this past week
was, several hours of layingthere with thoughts that were
racing, but inability to reallydo anything about it physically,
or at least have thatperception.
And then, the recognition thatby doing something very simple,
(06:36):
I could break the cycle of thosethoughts and improve.
Nope, you, you got that done andyou.
Needed it needed to be donewhether it was started to drink
water or eat right or Dosomething like make my bed, yeah
little thing was the trigger forme feeling okay now I can start
tackling the rest of this listand then So my second step was
(06:57):
just writing out a list of whatare the most important things I
needed to do That day to helplessen the feeling of anxiety.
What are the things I neededthat were incomplete?
The things that I could do thatday.
So those were a couple of thestrategies that I used this past
week.
And it was like just a briefglimpse.
My wife, I don't think she wouldbe upset with me for sharing.
(07:19):
She knows she's someone who'sdealt with it on and off her
whole life, more on than off.
And so she would always say Oh,you just really don't get it.
And I don't have the samefrequency that that she does
with those anxiety or even likea panic attack necessarily.
But.
Definitely gave me some goodinsights just to be able to
empathize with her a little bit.
(07:40):
Anything that you've you foundin the past that helps you get
out of one of those panicattacks or Not really.
Or
Preston (07:47):
anything?
No, it's almost like you justactually, I should say one thing
that has helped.
When I've had them, because I'vehad two that were were like, I
called 911, like the first onethat I had, this was actually
still when I was back inCalifornia.
The first time I'd had one.
And it was like, I was like, Ohmy God, like what?
(08:08):
I just felt like I was going topass out or something.
And I.
I was in this like apartmentcomplex and I just saw one of
the like the workers that likedoes maintenance around and I
was like, Hey man, can you call9 1 1?
And they showed up and put theheart things on me and they're
like you're fine man.
You're probably just having apanic attack.
Like we can take you to thehospital if you want.
I was like they're not going todo anything about it.
(08:29):
That's just going to be an
Michael (08:30):
expensive, might give you some drugs, Preston.
Well,
Preston (08:33):
yeah.
But that's not realisticallygoing to long term solve
anything.
And then another.
Time where I called 9 1 1.
I was with like, I was driving,going on a hike with my family
and I was driving and I had thekids in the car and Erica and I
like just pulled over on theside of the freeway and I was
like, holy fuck and it's soweird.
And I just had to ride that waveout.
And as I've looked into thesethings and heard stories of
(08:56):
other people talking about itthat's what helps me get through
it knowing that other folks gothrough the same thing and that
there's yeah I haven't foundlike it's just like for me I
just got to ride it out and justknow hey, this is just Not
really real.
It's real.
It's so hard to what to call itbecause it's
Michael (09:17):
it's like you're experiencing it.
It's hard to put your finger onit because I think it's
something that is almost this myfather in law calls it like
irrational fears, like thingsthat you're, you can't even
really put your finger on thathave you feeling so like
Physically upset, your heart'sracing, your skin's crawling,
(09:38):
all sorts of different physicalsensations.
Like you said, and so it is,it's hard to, I think, put your
finger on it.
And to your earlier point, Iwas.
Speaking in just about drugs.
And I think there's likecertainly some of those
temporary band aids, things thatwill help whether it's Xanax or
something related to it, thatkind of just immediately calms
your body down.
(09:59):
And I think for some people,those are really helpful, but
there's a lot of other thingsthat we can be doing too, that,
I said a couple of strategiesthat I used to get out of my
little bit of a funk this week,but as my daughter has been
going through various things inschool and she's had like
chronic migraines and otherthings like that.
Yeah, she so she went to aneurologist last week and so
(10:21):
they're talking about whatthings that you can do to help
Reduce the stress that mightcause migraines and things like
that.
And of course he mentioned,exercise Hydration, I think
those are other things too thatalso really help with Anxiety is
you know keeping your bodyfueled with good stuff putting
good fuel into it but then alsolike the exercise and going
(10:43):
outside and getting yourself tothe the change of environment
that you need to re reframe someof your perspectives, whether
it's those irrational fears thatyou need to dispel, or just to
start moving, because I thinkoften when we're moving, it
really helps us overcome some ofthose those moments where we
(11:04):
feel like we're stuck, right?
Oh,
Preston (11:07):
yeah, I think.
I think it's much more a productof where we're at in our modern
society than it is.
Like it's not, like peopledidn't have these a hundred
years ago the way I think we donow.
Michael (11:19):
Yeah.
Oh, they think a lot of them areself inflicted.
Is that what you're saying?
Yeah.
Preston (11:23):
I don't know if self inflicted is the right word I'm
thinking of, but like in a way,because we're just sometimes,
we're scrolling throughInstagram and just doing a bunch
of stuff that's not reallyserving us and making us think
about things that don't reallymatter.
Where we should be out choppingwood.
You know what I mean?
Or that's the stuff that we usedto do that.
Michael (11:44):
That's exactly it.
You're occupying your mind withsomething like chopping wood is
a great example.
And as you said that earlier,it's like it combines so many.
It's just multitasking, right?
You're doing something that'suseful.
It's creating fuel, but you'reburning calories and energy.
So you're exercising, you'regetting stronger.
You're focusing on somethingthat doesn't really allow you to
(12:05):
focus on, what you're worriedabout tomorrow, because you're
like, Hey, I better make surethat I don't, hit my foot or
right.
Exactly.
Preston (12:14):
Yes.
You don't have time to worryabout.
Anything.
Michael (12:19):
Yeah.
So that's a really, I think thatis a good, just analog to, to
exercise and working out.
I don't know, we coulddefinitely talk about other
aspects of it and some of thereasons that I think anxiety is
more prevalent now, but I mainlyjust wanted to share a little
bit about like having gonethrough that.
(12:40):
What were those couple of piecesthat were helpful to me, which
were just like.
Doing something simple likemaking my bed and making a list
of things that need to be done.
And then taking things one, onelittle task at a time and then
making sure that I get rightback into the routine of
exercise and putting good foodand good things into my body.
(13:01):
Help me break through at leastin, in this most recent instance
for me.
Preston (13:07):
Yeah, thanks for sharing that because I think one
of the most important thingsabout what we talk about on
here.
Is that, we're just like youguys listening, like we're just
normal guys and we go throughthose things and these are our
journeys and our stories andit's if you're feeling that way,
it's like we've been there too.
Michael (13:30):
Yeah.
Preston (13:36):
Bah dum tah.
Michael (13:39):
I'll be interested too to revisit this at some point in
the future with.
With Scott and some other guestsbecause, I would love to even
have like my wife on and haveher talk a little bit more about
it.
And so we'll have to bring someother folks who maybe do have a
little bit more, not onlyexperience, but also like
expertise, so to speak becausethey've.
Spent more time either dealingwith it or studying it and
(14:00):
understanding it.
But yeah, I think it's easy tonegatively judge yourself at
first when you're having thosetypes of, moments of weakness is
what I describe them and where,you feel like you're not strong
enough to deal with something byyourself, but It's just, it's
very common for everybody to begoing through it and it's not to
(14:22):
I know it's not as stigmatizedas it once was, so that's
certainly the truth.
But totally.
But I think it's also reallyimportant for us as men to be
okay with the fact that, we'revulnerable to those types of
attacks, those types ofexperiences.
And the more that we talk aboutthem, I think the better we can
find paths through it.
A
Preston (14:41):
hundred percent agree with you, brother.
Michael (14:43):
Thanks for tuning in for relatively short and
succinct episode 50, a coupleepisodes away from 52, which
means we'll have Been at it fora year, which the timing is
pretty close to I think wekicked this off in March of last
year.
So yep, we'll get Scott on forthese One of these next couple
episodes have some interviewslined up as well.
(15:06):
So thanks for joining us.
Talk soon.
Have a
Preston (15:12):
great week, gentlemen.
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