Ep. 57 with Laurie Healy | Founder, Laurie Healy - Recovery Coaching & Education - Reclaiming Your Hue

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:02):
Good morning Lori.
How are you?

Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm well.
Good morning, glad to be here.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
I am so glad that you're here too, and I was.
I just have to make a quicknote of this.
When we spoke gosh, it was likemonths ago.
You were here locally in theTwin Cities and because of
schedules we decided that wewanted to do this via Zoom.
But we've had the fun andunique opportunity to meet one

(00:30):
another in person.
But I was mentioning to myhusband he's like hey, what's it
look like for your interviewtoday?
Are you like having in-personor is it Zoom?
And I was like it's Zoom.
He's like, oh funny, and I'mlike she's actually here in the
twin cities.
He's like I had a feeling thatit wasn't in person.
You're not cleaning up justuniformly too.

(00:55):
But yeah, I was joking with himtoo, because you're the you're
the first local person that I'veactually done zoom with, rather
than in person, but truly justbecause of schedules.
And so I always the people whoare here locally in person, if
we can make that happen, and I'msad that we can't make it

(01:16):
happen.
Maybe that's what I'm trying toget at here.
But I will find another timeWe'll find a time in the future
to reconnect.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
And, like you said, I will find another time.
We'll find a time in the futureto reconnect and, like you said
, we met in person.
Um, like that's how we met.
We met in person and um for thefirst time.
It's actually a perfect segue.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Let's let's share with the listeners how it is
that we got connected.
I can imagine that's probablyone of the next times we might
see one another as well, butlet's share with them how we
know one another.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yes.
So for many months I've hadpeople in my network ask me hey,
have you been to one of theAmplify networking events and
have you gone to Amplify?
I'm like, what's this Amplify,what's this Amplify?
And I started looking into itand then would notice that all
sorts of people I knew weregoing to this Amplify event.
So of course, this naturalcuriosity made me want to check

(02:07):
this out.
So I went to the event inJanuary and I don't know if your
listeners know, and youprobably do a much better job at
explaining what Amplify is, butit's obviously a platform for
faith-based nonprofits to telltheir story and then be
surrounded with lots of smart,curious, business-minded people

(02:28):
to help them figure out theirchallenges and problem solve.
Is that right?

Speaker 1 (02:32):
It is.
I like to also I also like toequate it to like it's like
shark tank for those faith-basedlike nonprofits or missionaries
.
I want to say I like that muchbetter.
Well, and I love how you kindof added into that there's all
of these wildly amazing creativeideation thinkers in that room

(03:00):
to be able to provide feedbackfor these two specific
nonprofits that are highlightedat that meeting, and so that's
where we met.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
That's where we met, and we not only just met there,
but we were sitting at the sametable, elbow to elbow, elbow to
elbow.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yes, and it's just, it's so funny so we haven't even
really known each other forthat long period of time.
Yet there was a connection thatwas made.
And because I host this podcastand got to know you in that
short period of time, there atthe meeting, I was like Laura,
you've got to be on the podcast.

(03:37):
You got to be, you got to shareyour story.
I love that.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, so here we are, here we are.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Here we are.
Thank you for the invitation.
You're so welcome.
Let's go ahead and dive in andget to the meat and potatoes.
So can you share with thelisteners what came first for
you?
Was it entrepreneurship or wasit motherhood?

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, I actually don't really think about this
one and I'll tell you why, butit both came.
I feel like I'm a little latebloomer to both these games.
So I had my son at 37 andmotherhood did come first for me
.
However, I had been in a fieldin the startup technology realm
where I was surrounded byentrepreneurs, so I felt like I

(04:19):
had been living in thisentrepreneurial world for a
while, but yet it was never myown venture.
Entrepreneurial world for awhile, but yet it was never my
own venture.
So I had my son that was in2008 and was doing my thing.
I did the typical.
After three months, I went backto work, working for a startup
company, and my story there isthat this startup unfortunately

(04:39):
wasn't doing very well and hadto make quite a few cuts across
the board.
So, within that downsizing, myjob was eliminated and I
remember I had been in theoffice and it happened on Zoom
and I called my husband up tothe office and I was in tears
and I just said I just lost myjob and I'm not sure what to do

(05:02):
and for anybody that's ever losttheir job before, for whatever
reason, it's just it's hard,it's a really like and it can be
very sudden, and so I was justreally not sure what to do.
And he just said isn't this,isn't this kind of what you
wanted?
This opportunity to like createyour own thing or think about
how you can like be.

(05:23):
This month it was May, Iremember it was May, so summer
was coming, and so so, yeah.
So I turned that into like,okay, what am I going to do next
?
And really intentionally spentthat summer with my son, who was
younger, but then realized thatwhen people found out that I
was no longer employed by thiscompany, they were coming to me
saying, hey, would you have anytime to maybe help me with a

(05:45):
side project?
Because, again, I wassurrounded by a lot of people in
the entrepreneurial field, sothey were used to hiring people
to maybe help with a sideproject or, you know, a 10 hour
a week opportunity.
So I said, oh, yeah.
So I started working with acouple of people that I knew and
that grew into my own PR andmarketing consultancy, which so
I guess that was officially myfirst entrepreneurial venture

(06:08):
that I launched that time, andthat was in 2011.
So that was my first foray intothe entrepreneurial world where
I was doing my own thing withmy own business.
Oh, that is.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
I feel a lot of parallels, one I just want to
share as well.
I was in my, I'm going to beturning 40 this year and my
daughter just turned two.
So I'm right there in the mixwith you, like later on in my
late 30s, having my first child.
But then also the other thingtoo is you know.

(06:43):
But then also the other thingtoo is, you know, going from
having a position to not havinga position and that timeframe
where you, you spent somequality time, like very, very
similar to to my story as well,and I love that you got real
intentional with going.
Well, what is it?
What is it that I want to do?

(07:03):
Instead of just going, I'mgoing to jump to the next thing.
I am actually going to takesome time, consciously, think
through this, marinate in whatis it, and you like you kind of
set this foundation to letsomething come to you, to
receive what it is exactly wouldkind of set the the groundwork

(07:25):
for you to be able to go in thedirection that you need it to,
and I'm so, so curious of howthe rest of this story unveils I
also.
I also just want to ask thisquestion, which is so 2008 is
when your son arrived correct,and so he was, you know, just a

(07:48):
just a few years old when youdecided to go into
entrepreneurship, and so that'sreally exciting.
But also, I'm sure it didn'tcome without its own challenges
as well.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Exactly, and you're right, it was, it was I.
I did create that space to beintentional and that was really
challenging for me because fromthe moment I graduated from
college like I wanted to work.
I have always loved to work.
I have loved to be, you know,productive, I've loved working
with teams.
And then to have that moment ofoh wow, what do I do now?

(08:26):
Was scary at first.
That was the first thing, likewhat am I going to do?
And then to be able to turnthat into oh what, what am I
going to do?
And to be able to give myselfpermission and also had had and
have such a supportive husbandwho also allowed me to do that
to be able to figure out thisstage of my life with, I think,

(08:48):
our son at the time would havebeen about two and a half and
just figure out, like, where arewe going from here?
So I think the thing that wasreally important to me at that
point was to be able to put someof my values first in terms of
how do I want to create abusiness that honors this desire
to work because that was reallyimportant to me and to be able

(09:09):
to support, help support ourfamily, but also how do I be
able to show up intentionallywith my son and for our family
and what does that look like?
And that was probably one ofthe first times that I had
really truly started puttingboundaries into place
surrounding my work time,because before my son, I was

(09:31):
like, I'm available, sure, I canbe in the office at 7 am and,
yeah, I can stay till 9.
Like we can do a working dinner.
That's no, but you know, great,let's do it.
And I was probably even stillsomewhat in that mentality even
when I went back from maternityleave, because that was just
what I knew and what wasexpected of me.
So this break was really ablessing to allow me to say, oh,

(09:52):
I have this whole opportunityto architect what works for me
professionally, what I thinkworks for me personally, and
that really felt like a gift,because I know that's not
everybody's reality, but whenyou step into the space of
entrepreneurship, I do believethat's one of the gifts like
high risk, high reward in someways, as it relates to being
able to do that.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Totally.
I do want to just take a stepback, because you had made
mention of being in kind of thisworld or ecosystem of
individuals who were playing inthat entrepreneurial space, and
so I'm sure that didn't comewithout some a little bit of
osmosis, right Like you had thisosmosis happening and being

(10:35):
able to see how individuals werehandling specific aspects of
their business, how theyoperated it, how they were
setting their boundaries, howthey were sitting there
intentionally setting corevalues.
So do you feel like you playedoff of some of that in order to
be able to then go okay, I'mgoing to have some intentional

(10:57):
time here and I'm also going toestablish what are my values
through this.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
What are my values through this?
Yeah, that's a really good,insightful question, because I
saw extremes in the entrepreneurworld, like, make no mistake,
when somebody goes to launchtheir own business, they're
putting it all out there on theline, financially, relationally,
I mean.
There's so many dynamics to itand they're some of the hardest
people, or hardest workingpeople that I've seen be able to

(11:26):
do what they do, and so I saw alot of the risk that needed to
be taken.
I also saw the fast-pacedenvironment and the energy,
especially in the technologyspace where things move so
quickly.
So maybe at the time I didn'tknow it, but looking back, like
really observing what were thecharacteristics, what were the

(11:48):
trends that I was seeing withthese entrepreneurs, and I also
had the really amazingopportunity to see not only in
the obviously the tech space atthat time it was really
dominated by men, and that'schanged over time but I was also
really fortunate to have a lotof work with a lot of founders
that were women and to see thedifferent values that played out

(12:13):
in the workplace.
Because of that and I thinkthat was crucial in my decision
to step into the entrepreneurialspace, because I had really
strong mentors and role modelsthat were mothers that showed me
how that could be done.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
How incredible because I mean, frankly, a lot
of the individuals who I've hadon the podcast I don't know if
they could speak to somethinglike that and like you can, and
I would love to dive into this,like what you observed and how,
like how that became a takeawayfor you, into how you then set

(12:50):
the foundation for your business.
Let's let's dive into this alittle bit more, cause I think
that this is really cool and canalso be an opportunity to set
the tone for other women who arelistening the importance of who
you're surrounding yourselfwith and then, potentially, are
carefully selecting for, forguidance and mentorship as well.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Yeah, I, you know, when I my very first startup was
, I was the the first, I was thesecond hire, but this company
had been percolating, if youwill, at the University of
Minnesota.
So it was a bunch of very smartsoftware engineer guys that
were just coming out of schoolthat launched this company.

(13:38):
So when we started, it was meand like 13 male engineers and I
had no, this was my first stepinto technology and I really had
no idea what it was doing.
But it was pretty amazingbecause they taught me a lot in
terms of what we were buildingand it was my job to go out and
market and sell it and brand itand everything like that.
But that was a very, very newenvironment for me and it was

(14:01):
very different, and most of thepeople that I work were working
with in that environment weremen, and it was very different
and most of the people that Iwork were working with in that
environment were men, and sothat was my first experience
with a technology startup, andafter I, after we built that one
, we built it.
About three and a half yearslater we were, we sold the
company, and so I thought thatwas a lot of fun.
Let's go on to build the nextthing.

(14:23):
Like I want, I want to doanother startup, and that's when
I landed in my next one, whichwas a women founded and women
run organization, and thedynamics were I mean, there were
a lot of similar dynamics.
Like I mentioned before,there's a lot of risk.
It's very fast paced.
You really need to be able tocarry a lot on your plate and
deliver, but yet there was alsothere was a different sense of

(14:48):
sometimes compassion, if that,if that's the right word.
Even in some of my you knowconversations, especially with
the, with the female founders,which was really helpful, I also
saw that they were probablybetter at setting boundaries in
terms of what needed to happenin the workplace versus what was
happening on the home front too.

(15:09):
So that was something that wasmodeled for me.
So, again, all my experiencesactually in the startup and
entrepreneurial space have beenvery positive.
Even that first startup, whereit was largely male dominated, I
had a really, really positiveexperience.
Otherwise, I don't think Iwould have gone on to do more
startups, but I definitely Iguess, as a woman and as a mom,

(15:31):
had this found this deeperconnection with the women that
were running this company to seehow they would be doing it
differently and to see how theirdecisions were informed by,
just you know, their role asmoms, their role as leaders in
the organization.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
What were your takeaways from that?
I would love to just learn alittle bit more about that.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
You know, I think that too I realize.
No, that's okay.
I mean, when I think of one ofthe individuals in particular
again, really really smart, verydedicated to her work, you know
entrepreneurs, this is just nota job for them.
This is their life, like thisis their baby.
I can't remember how many timesI've heard entrepreneurs talk

(16:18):
about their you know company astheir baby and the care and the
nurture that it takes.
I saw this.
I saw a lot of the same values,like when she would talk about
her daughter.
I, you know, she would justkind of rim with you know
excitement and love talkingabout her daughter.

(16:39):
And sometimes when she talkedabout her company, like in front
of investors or in front of anaudience, she would have that
same kind of like excitement andI, I just I thought that was
interesting.
I'm really not even sure ifthere's a connection there, but,
um, she like she was consistentin in her being like.

(17:00):
She like when she showed up,like she was showing up as
multiple, multiple roles, causewe, I think we bring multiple
roles to our you know who we areand she wasn't this type that
said like okay, I'm like leavingmy mom hat at home and I'm
coming in with my business hatand then I'm leaving my business
hat and going like she broughther full self as all of her

(17:22):
roles into into work, which iswhere I mainly saw her and that,
I think, has really stuck withme as like I've got on to build
my own thing too.
It's like even sometimes if I'mon a Zoom call and my son walks
through the door, you know, andI'm like hey, bud, and I'm just
saying hi to my son he just gothome.
You know, I think we canactually wrap that like show

(17:45):
people that we are, like there'sall these dimensions to us,
there's all these roles, and sheI think she did a really good
job with that for me.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
As you were talking through it, lori.
Here's what I started to thinkabout is a couple of different
things that come to mind are ifyou think about the process of
having a physical baby, right,your child you're, you go
through this process of you know, from conception up until labor

(18:16):
and delivery, and then so onand so forth through the rest of
the seasons of life with yourchildren, right, with your
children, right.
The same is very true with abusiness and your business.
There's a, there's a conceivingperiod that happens, right, and
then there's this growing ofthat.

(18:36):
You know that, a nine monthperiod, whatever, whatever that
time period it takes for you tofinally come to like, the, the
delivery of what your businessis right, like.
There's so many commonalities,and we've we've talked about it
many times here on the podcast.
But here's the thing I thinkabout another commonality, right

(19:00):
.
So like from for me personally,I have such a passion for my
child, I have such a passion formy bonus children, I have a
passion for the two little pawchildren behind me too, which
was the foundation of, like,caring and nurturing for
something other than myself,right, but like when you find

(19:24):
something other than that thatyou are so dang passionate about
it's.
That's it right there.
Like you're pointing in theright direction.
Either way.
You cut this rug for like beinga mother and then also for your
business.
And if you're aiming in thatright direction, how can you not
like see that passion foldthrough in the conversations

(19:48):
that you're having with peoplearound you?
It's just so cool.
I'm sure you can like that'ssome of the connection points
that are that are happening butthat's some.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah, you touched on a lot of feelings there.
That yeah, that I absolutelyresonate with yeah, and you just
you throw your whole being intoit.
There's no question, right?
I mean, you're obviouslylooking to make wise decisions
and you're wearing pros and consand things like that, but
you're all in like you are allin with that, with that child,
with that that business, if it'syour entrepreneurial venture

(20:22):
you are all in absolutely.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Absolutely.
I was thinking last night thethings that come to mind
sometimes, like when you're justdoing the most random things
like washing dishes I was like Ithere's, I can't just give up
on being a mother.
I can't just do that.
And to your point, lori, likeif you are so stinking

(20:47):
passionate about what it is thatyou're like your mission, for
what your business is you're,you're going to have some of
those commonalities of like Ijust can't give up on this, I'm
so passionate about it.
I see, I see the light at theend of the tunnel.
I understand how this is goingto have an impact, so why would
I want to give up on it?

Speaker 2 (21:10):
That's my time, right , right, and you're right,
exactly, I get back to the allin or that, like with the, with
the mom, when you were talking.
Like the mom is the title wewill have for our whole entire
life.
It's probably the only title wewill have for our whole entire
life, if you think about itmaybe, maybe there's others that
I haven't thought of, butthat's come to mind for me
recently.

(21:31):
I think, too, anotherinteresting parallel is to take
a look at, like long-term, youknow where your child goes or
where your business might go,and there is this eventual okay,
there's different changes,there's different stages.
There's essentially a releaseat some point, even if that
entrepreneur you know, in theentrepreneurial venture that

(21:51):
could be, it eventually getssold to somebody, or it
eventually partners withsomebody, or eventually gets
shut down, or whatever that is.
So I think, like acknowledgingthese different stages that we
go through, as you know, asentrepreneurs, like there can be
some similar stages that weeven see with our children.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Oh my gosh, it'd be really fascinating to like have
kind of like a groupconversation with other
mompreneurs about that verything that you just talked about
.
It would be the differentseasons that you go through, and
so we'll just throw it outthere.
Anybody who's right now thatwants to round table with Lori

(22:34):
about this very thing, let's.
Let's get this going, let's getthe conversation going, but to
keep everything on track andjust honor your time, lori, I
want to continue to delve moreinto your story, and so you had
mentioned that the PR consultingwas really kind of your first
initial like kickstart intoentrepreneurship and it was

(22:57):
probably around that what twoand a half going on, almost
three year mark for your son onalmost three year mark for um,
for your son.
And so let's, let's kind ofstep back in time and talk
through what were some of thepeaks and valleys that you
experienced at that time in thatparticular season of life, um,

(23:17):
for yourself personally and thenas a mother as well.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, I think, you know, during that time it was,
this is the first time I hadbuilt my own business, so it was
obviously a little scary, likehow am I supposed to do this?
Am I doing this right?
And, and what you know, lessonscan I take from what I knew in
the, from the startup field?
But I was building kind of adifferent, you know, type of
business.
We weren't creating, I wasn'tcreating software, it was

(23:43):
creating more of a service, amarketing service.
So I think just the learningcurve of that and knowing that I
had really good mentors andpeople that I could lean on, I
think one of the highlights forme too is I've always enjoyed, I
guess, networking.
Like I'm one of those people Ican walk into a room full of
people and I enjoy thatchallenge.

(24:04):
So I know for a lot of peoplethat is their worst nightmare.
So I had a really strongnetwork too.
So I was able to ramp up thatbusiness pretty quickly in terms
of, just, you know, clients andthe work and things like that.
And I think, too, the thingsthat were, you know, would be
challenging as I was trying tofigure out.
Okay, you know, financially,when I had a full-time job, I

(24:26):
was able to kind of forecastlike, all right, what does our
you know income look like comingin and all the things that felt
secure.
I was trying to figure that out, like how long is this client
going to be with me and how muchshould I charge for my services
and all of those things that Iwasn't.
I didn't know how to navigatethat upfront, and so that felt
hard and, and I think that'swhere sometimes the um, those

(24:49):
questions creep in as like oh,you don't, you don't know what
you're doing, like, you're not,you're not, you're not qualified
to do this right, that wholeimposter syndrome that I think a
lot of people struggle with.
Um, so, if anything, that wasthe and then the well, gosh,
lori, could you have if youhadn't gone back to work, you
could be home full time withyour son.
So I think there was a lot ofthat mom guilt too that thought,

(25:10):
gosh, well, should I, should Ibe at home with him?
And like why, if I even havethe choice there, would I like,
why would I not stay home withhim?
So there, I think that was thereal struggle for me, especially
at that age, and yet it was.
Again, one of my top values isdoing meaningful work, and so I
know that that is also animportant component of like who

(25:31):
I am and how I'm wired.
So it was both trying to honorthat as well as how do I show up
and be really present for myson.
So when he was in, you know,kindergarten or those early ages
like I would, I would plan mywork day like I work when he's
at school and when he's home, Iam home with him and I again.
That's one of the joys I thinkof entrepreneurship is if

(25:53):
depending on the work you'redoing and what you're doing.
But I was intentional aboutcrafting my schedule that way.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
How do you feel that had an impact either positively,
positively or perhaps I don'twant to use the word negatively,
but let's just say you knowlike not in the way that you
thought it was going to go forthe business.
How do you feel like settingthose intentional boundaries on

(26:20):
that timeframe?
How do you feel it impactedyour business?

Speaker 2 (26:26):
on that timeframe.
How do you feel it impactedyour business?
I think, oh, I definitely thinkthat I could do more.
I probably could have had moreclients, I probably could have
made more money, you know.
So there was that.
And yet I knew that if I wentback into that mindset of
working you know, 12 hour days,14 hour days sometimes, which I

(26:49):
was doing before that that wouldnegatively impact my, my, just
my role as a mom and my role asa wife and our family.
And I didn't, I didn't want todo that.
I think, because even before wehad our son and I was working
those crazy hours, that wastaken away, I think, time from
just even, you know, the earlydays of our marriage.
And so, again, it was one ofthose things where I had to just

(27:13):
be.
I've always had a hard I don'thave a hard time saying no
anymore, I'm pretty good at thatbut I had a hard time then to
be able, because I didn't wantto disappoint people.
It's like, well, I know I cando the work and I'm capable and
this would really help them, sowhy wouldn't I say, why wouldn't
I say yes?
And then I had to go like, okay, wait a minute.
If I'm saying yes to this, I'mhaving to say no to these things

(27:33):
, and these things that I wouldhave to say no to are too
important in the long term.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
So you knocked it out of the park, right there, holy
moly, and I think you reallyjust kind of lumped in like a a
bunch of different like, let'ssay, triggers for individuals,
right, like we could talk aboutburning the candle at both ends,
right, like one.
That's not good for you as asLori, or as mother or just as an

(28:04):
individual person, right, butit's not going to be of service
to the family that is around you, right.
And so, like you, you hit thenail on the head and it's all
about, like, if I'm saying yesto something over here, what
does that mean I'm saying no toover here, and does that yes

(28:28):
outweigh the no or vice versa,right.
And so having the discernmentof what that actually looks like
for you, which I think kind ofboils down to what are your
values as a person, and so I amcurious if you are open to
sharing, like, what are you?
You mentioned one of them, butcan you go through what those

(28:49):
values are for you personally?

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, absolutely so.
My first one and these are notin any particular order, but the
first one is just speaking withhonesty, and sometimes people
are like, well, what does thatmean?
You'd be a dishonest person ifyou didn't speak with honesty.
And I think it's no.
It's more like if you know,sometimes in a certain situation

(29:13):
, maybe we don't feel liketelling the whole truth, maybe
we'll just tell them just enoughwhat they need to know and then
like, keep them guessing or youknow.
So it's like really being.
It's more of an open, avulnerable, like how do I open
myself up for vulnerability?
Because we really know that'swhere connection happens.
I think the other thing, too isand I've I've struggled with
this, which is why this is oneof my top values that I try to

(29:36):
aspire to is, if I'm maybe I'min a sour, don't want to talk,
and my husband will come and say, hey, you know, is anything
wrong?
No, I'm fine, I'm fine, right,don't talk about it.
Well, that's not being honest,it's really not.
And so that I'm not beinghonest with myself, I'm not

(29:57):
being honest with him, and thatit just over time, those little
character decisions you'remaking add up, and so a lot of
my values.
It's like the truth, you know,the truth will always come out.
That's kind of one of thevalues in our family Like the
truth will always come out.
So speak with honesty, you know, be be honest about it.
So that's one.
Um, spending time with family isa big one.
So just spending meaningfultime and just being intentional

(30:18):
about what that looks like.
So that is, you know, in ourfamily it's like we go to church
together on the weekend.
That is, you know, in ourfamily it's like we go to church
together on the weekend.
We make sure that we have.
Our son is growing now so he'sgot more independence, he's 16.
So we're not sitting downprobably every night for dinner,
but trying to be intentionalabout like, hey, based on
everything that's going on thisweek, let's spend this time
together.
We also love to travel together.

(30:39):
So being intentional aboutspending time, that's, you know,
my core family, and then, ofcourse, with my extended family,
with my parents, with my sister, and just like, how are we
spending meaningful timetogether?
Keeping a faith forward mindset,you know, and that's a big one
for me, especially in the work Ido now, is being, you know,
spiritually, physically andemotionally well, and so making
sure that I am, you know,bringing my concerns before God

(31:02):
and spending time in prayer andspending time in devotionals, so
keeping that faith forwardmindset, seeking out adventure.
This is a big one for me.
And so I know sometimes, when Isay that people say like, oh,
where are you traveling to nextand what does that look like?
And yes, that's a part of it,and I'm like constantly looking
for that, even in, like my ownproverbial backyard, like where
I live now, like what are?

(31:23):
What adventure can I seek out?
What's like a new little cafe Ican find, or just finding those
simple pleasures that feeladventurous for me.
So that's a big one.
And then the final is doingmeaningful work, and that has
progressed over time.
But I like to, and I'm surewe'll get to this, but I am
truly in a place where I'm doingthat meaningful work.

(31:44):
It's very purpose-driven and Ifeel really good about what I'm
doing to help other people.
So those are my five top values.
Like I said, I don't I probablydon't live them out every
single day.
We do a lot of value work withmy clients and sometimes we find
ourselves in difficultsituations.
That, gosh, maybe I didn'tspeak with honesty, or boy.

(32:04):
This was a week where I didn'tspend a lot of time with family.
We call it a value violation,and so, but the more that we can
keep those values front of mind, like how do we keep moving
forward on these fronts?
This is what helps me say yesto the things that matter most
and say no to the things thatmaybe aren't important for the
long-term, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
A hundred percent.
It a hundred percent makes somuch sense and there's been a
lot of reigning themes that Ihave kind of connected the dots
with in terms of all of theguests that have been on the
podcast thus far.
And it's really like, at theessence of this is understanding
, like, what are what'simportant to me, what are my

(32:47):
guiding principles, be it youknow faith in a Christian
setting or just like theuniverse or you know,
spiritually gifted in some way,shape or form, like what are
your core values?
And I think a lot of us asmothers have this like turning
point.
When we do become mothers, thatshifts.

(33:08):
That really really ends upshifting and maybe we carry over
some of those core values thatwere really important to us when
we were, you know, ourindependent selves, as I like to
say, like my independent self,free, meeting my husband and my
bonus boys and now having adaughter.
But there's something thatfundamentally shifts with us as

(33:31):
women to when we become mothersand then we go what, what is
actually important for me, likethis is important, like family
is of utmost important, and sohow, how does the value shift
around that?
Did you find that some of yourvalues had kind of made the

(33:52):
shift when you become a, whenyou became a mother, yeah, yeah,
um, definitely.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
I mean, I think you know, one of the big ones that
always comes to mind to me islike the value of safety how do
I keep my kids safe?
And that, like I think, beforewe have kids, we have a
different value of what safetylooks like, because we're so
focused in on, like our safetyas individuals and then all of a
sudden I have this child tocare for through all of these

(34:24):
life stages.
So that was like a big one forme.
Not, I didn't, I didn't.
Obviously safety is not one ofmy top values.
But talking about values ingeneral, how they shift, I think
that there is this definingpoint of where you have to kind
of reevaluate like, oh, yeah,what, like you said, what is
important to me right now?
Or really getting clear, likebefore, I think before I even,

(34:48):
you know, did a lot of this,this the work, and what I do now
, or even before coming tomother, like I was, I think I
was living a pretty good life, Iwas making wise decisions and
things like that.
But when I really did this workto be like, what am I going to
stand for?
How do I be in use the wordreally intentional, like I think
that that one has really comeup for me quite a bit.
Like, how are we intentionalabout parenting?

(35:10):
How am I being intentional inthe way that I show up for my
family and friends?
How am I being intentionalabout the work that I do?
Because I used to probablyoperate especially into this
high, you know, fast-pacedenvironment like just go, go, go
, go, go, produce, produce,produce, produce, get as much
done as you possibly can in thehours that you have in the day,

(35:30):
and that, like that, worked forme in an environment where that
was valued, that was valued.
But now, like I have adifferent environment in which I
value and I know it's reallyimportant for Lori Healy to feel
whole and I probably, as I wasgoing through like my 20s and
30s and building my career which, again, I love my career, I was

(35:53):
good at it, it was successful,but I don't know if I truly was
tapped into what was mostimportant to me and if that if
that is, if you're aligning withthat it's just, I think, part
of the aging process too.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah, I am.
You know, I'm turning 40 thisyear and I do feel like there's
just these shifts that arestarting to happen, and I don't
know if it's just in continuingto have these absolutely
incredible conversations withother women in varying stages of
life.
By the way, like it's, it'sjust all.

(36:28):
Like I'm I'm on the call it theelder millennials edge.
You know what I mean.
It isn't just like everybodywho's around the same age as me,
like I am interviewing womenwho are in their twenties, in

(36:50):
their thirties, in their forties, in their fifties, in their
sixties and, dare I even say it,in their seventies too, like
the wisdom, like you can justfeel the shifts and I, I mean
I'm not going to discount someof the gals who are younger than
me, because there is someincredibly, incredibly wise,
like just out of this world wisegals who, you know, maybe are

(37:10):
older than you actually appears,but I love that you share that.
Like maybe just with time, I'vecome to understand like this is
just these, just these shiftsstart to happen and evolve and
it's it's also very fun.
I, by the way, am like soexcited to like let go of my 30s

(37:32):
and step into my 40s.
I know, not everybody who'slistening right now is like
would be as excited as I am, butI'm like I know what comes with
that and it comes with morewisdom and more knowledge and
more understanding and just likekind of like a fine wine, like
it's just aging over time.
Yeah no I.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
I I love my forties I mean I'm I'm 53 and I love my
twenties, my thirties, like Ifeel really fortunate that I've
had a really like really goodlife and I've been happy and I
value that a lot, like I'mreally grateful for that,
because I know that's noteverybody's story.
The other thing I think I lovethat you're talking to like all
these different women that arein these different ages and

(38:16):
stages.
Sometimes I look back like Ithink I've had to, had to learn
through like just my experiencesof being in the workplace.
You know, I launched myworkplace or my, my career back
in the nineties and I think it'sa very different place today
and sometimes I look at theseyounger women.
I'm like oh, you're so lucky,like you have these really
strong role models and you knowyou're, you're like really in

(38:39):
tune with what's important toyou and have done a lot of this
work, that I feel like, oh gosh,I didn't even do that until I
got to my 40s and so it's reallyamazing to see too, like how
culturally that's shifted andjust even you know, openness,
that we're talking about ourmental health and and our, our
physical well-being, like all ofthat I think is is so important

(39:00):
so but like the eighties andthe nineties, like it was like
let's, let's work hard, let's,you know, you know, grindstone
mentality At least that was myexperience is, I think,
especially being in in a, in astartup environment.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
But it's an interesting perspective and
point of view and I don't, I'm,I am, I don't think that there's
any way that we could discountthat right.
But, like, I think that youbring up a valid point just
about how there's been an energyshift with like awareness right
, the awareness of self, theawareness of acknowledgement of

(39:36):
like these are realities ofwhich are happening to people on
a day-to-day basis and anhour-to-hour basis, and we
cannot discount that there'sstruggles that people are going
through and so awareness fromthat is just so much more
prevalent now.
And I think that you'rebringing up this valid point of

(39:59):
like back.
You just didn't see it as muchand and so it's, it's nice to
see that shift, that that hashappened and how that can impact
future generations too.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
cross fingers and do you find that you're seeing that
in the interviews you're havinglike with some of these younger
women?
It sounds like it um in termsof like the impact or just the
aware, the, the awareness thatthey have just around, like
intentional decision making andjust all of that absolutely, abs

(40:34):
, absolutely, and I do.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
I, I have a strong sense that.
You know it's because we haveso much exposure to things
there's so much more exposurenow.
Um, social media is, you knowit's because we have so much
exposure to things there's somuch more exposure now.
Social media is.
It's a, it's a blessing, ittruly is, but it's also a bit of
a.
You know, on the other side ofthat occurs, it's a catch 22, in
my humble opinion, I've got mylove-hate relationship with

(40:59):
social media, but the exposurethat we have to so many
different like resources and allthat encompasses each kind of
the wheel of wellness right.
That's, and I think you've saidthat it's incredible.

(41:20):
That's, and I think you've saidthat it's incredible we have we
literally at in a second youcan research something and have
it at your fingertips.
And so I think because of that,people are are not turning away
from like asking some of thesedeep rooted questions to be able
to kind of fast track what thatwisdom looks like for you.

(41:42):
Knowledge, I should sayknowledge, because I think we
start off having a foundation ofknowledge and as we continue to
work through our years, that'swhen the wisdom really comes
into place.
So I I had heard you a coupledifferent times, you one I know
what you had been doing beforeis not what you're doing now and

(42:07):
I thought that I might havecaught that you've.
You've got kids plural correct.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Well, I have one true human child and then and I have
a dog he's kind of my fur kidbut yeah, but one one, I have an
only okay, okay all right,gotcha.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Um.
So let's, let's talk throughsome of what you were
experiencing for your your firstbusiness baby and then
transition to what we're doingnow and share, share with the
listeners um, how you got fromwhere you were with your first
baby business to where you're atwith second baby business.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yes, Um, and I'll try to keep that transition short,
Cause I I really want to talkabout the second baby business
but, after I did this PR andconsult he did it for about four
years.
My dream job kind of camecalling, which is not what I'm
doing now, but this dream joband excuse me, the short of it
is I went back into theworkplace.

(43:11):
But I went back to work for aco-working company as the head
of marketing and I loved itbecause so marketing has always
been in the field that I've beenin and it was largely
technology.
And then I stepped into a space, this co-working space, which
for people that I'm sure mostpeople, if your listeners know
what a co-working space is.
But it's usually a membership,membership based organization

(43:34):
that allows you access to reallybeautiful, amazing workspaces
where you're surrounded by otherpeople and other companies.
So I found myself in a placewhere I was responsible for
connecting with otherindividuals, letting them know
about this space and building acommunity of people that were
working on their dreams.
So it was all entrepreneurs ofall different types of

(43:54):
businesses.
We had nonprofits, we had techcompanies, we had service-based
businesses, we had coaches,consultants.
It was awesome, I loved it.
Had service-based businesses,we had coaches, consultants.
It was awesome, I loved it.
And so the way that my storykind of unfolded is.
I went back but yet again I wasvery intentional and I remember
I sat down with the individualthat became my boss and I told
him I said I, if I, you know, inthis job, I will work really,

(44:14):
really hard for you.
I said I also have the time Ithink a seven-year-old at home
so if he gets sick, like I needto leave it, whatever time I
need to leave or I need to beable to have the flexibility.
So it was that time he said theflexibility is the number one
thing to me.
I said and if I can't figureout a way to make that work,
this can't happen for me.

(44:36):
And he was amazing.
He's like absolutely, we'llmake it work.
And we, I think, had an amazingworking relationship.
I brought my whole being tothat job because I loved it,
like I felt like I was wired forthat, and so I was kind of
feeling like I was firing allcylinders.
I had this great job likefamily life's going well with my
son and my husband, like wewere really enjoying life.

(44:58):
So I know that I've kind oftalked this whole time about
like, oh, I've had a really goodlife and been happy.
And yes, that is true.
And there was something elsegoing on within our family that
at the time we didn't reallytalk about it because there was
a lot of shame and stigma.
And that was with my youngerbrother and the story there is
that he had struggled withaddiction starting in his

(45:20):
teenage years and I was theolder sister and I also have a
younger sister, so he's a middlechild and in spite of him
trying to get help and you knowmy parents trying to help him as
best they could it was justthis, this disease, but it was
this thing.
We just did not know how tonavigate.
So our coping mechanism was tokind of not really talk about it

(45:42):
and kind of go on like life,life is just going to keep going
forward and he's struggling andbut hopefully he'll get better.
And we didn't really understandthat disease.
We really didn't.
And again, this was back in theeighties and nineties where
addiction was still largely seenas a moral failure, and so
there was just all this shameand stigma that was covering

(46:02):
that up.
So as I was building my career,this was kind of going on with
our family and it was when I wasat this co-working space that
things were really going reallywell for me, professionally and
with my own new family that mybrother's addiction was really
spiraling and he was not well atall, and, unfortunately, in

(46:23):
2017, we actually lost him to anaccidental overdose, and that
was part of my story.
That was unfolding andobviously horrible experience,
and what it did, though, is atthe time, I didn't know it it
started sparking something in methat would eventually become

(46:45):
this business that I've nowcreated.
So, as part of, I'm sure, aspart of, like, my grief process,
when I got to that moment and Ilooked at what had happened and
I thought, how did we, as afamily, for 30 years kind of
step through this and not getthe help that something like
this needed, cause we didn'tknow where to go?

(47:06):
We did, like I said, we didn'tknow how to navigate it, so we
just we tried to survive and wejust tried to hope.
We hope that things would getbetter, and, um, and he even
tried to go to you knowtreatment, and, in spite of him
being able to seek help, hestill wasn't able to, um, escape
his disease and find thatlong-term recovery.
So that was really eating me upinside, like, could we have

(47:26):
done something different?
This is where all the couldas,the wouldas and the shouldas
come up and if you don't workthrough those, they keep you
stuck.
And I was starting to realize,like in my grief that was
pulling me down and I thought Ineed to focus more on not what
could have and what should havebeen, but like how do I move
through this stage to get tomore of a hopeful state?
And through that process, likethere was the seed planted in me

(47:50):
that that I was starting to becalled to do this work with
families and I was kind of like,yeah, god, I don't, I don't
know what you're doing here, butit was like I've just spent 30
years trying to understand thisdisease in my own family and
look how that ended and now youwant me to go kind of do this
work.
But there really truly was, Ithink, in my grief process and

(48:10):
in my wrestling there was thisconcept of being like broken
open and said there's one of myfavorite books.
It's called the second mountainand the author, david Brooks,
talks about like in our lives wewill have things that that come
at us, and sometimes we'll beon mountain peaks and sometimes
we'll be in the Valley, butsometimes, when life comes at a
sideways, it throws us into theValley.
And he said there's two typesof people.

(48:32):
They can either be broken orthey can be broke open.
And I think in that moment, likeI was kind of broken open,
didn't know what that lookedlike, didn't know what that was.
But in my in those stages, likeI wanted to find out, like
there's got to be a better wayfor people to navigate through
this and people that can helpfamilies and that's not to say

(48:53):
there weren't solutions outthere, but they just went for
whatever reason, weren't beingpresented to us, they weren't in
front of us as a logicalsolution.
So I kind of went looking forthat and I started to find
people that were doing this work.
I started to learn aboutevidence-based ways that were
helping families have betteroutcomes, and at the heart of it

(49:15):
all was love and compassion.
And I think in our experiencewe had been taught like you have
to kind of just keep your armsdistance, you need to just wait
until they're ready to get help.
And those were very harmfulnarratives.
Those were actually preventingme from being in relationship

(49:38):
with my brother, but I didn'tknow any other way.
And so when I started findingabout about these principles and
I started talking to people andsharing my story, like there
was a sense of being on fireabout it, like the more I
actually finally opened up andshared my story, it allowed me
to connect with other people intheir pain, like in their moment
of, like I have a mother or Ihave a brother or I have a

(50:01):
sister, like I get it.
And so I think I'm sure a lotof people like listening to this
know that when we, when weconnect with somebody in our
pain and struggle, it bonds us,like we get it.
And so I just kind of followedthat energy.
And I've always had a mentorthat's just follow, follow the
excitement, follow the energy.
And I started following thatand I realized like, oh, my

(50:22):
goodness, I think this is thework that I meant to do.
But then again all that stuffcame in like well, you don't
know what you're doing and youdidn't go to school for this and
you're not a therapist, youknow all of the things and um,
but yet still I just I got somereally wise teaching from one of
my mentors that said look intothis work, go back and get these
certifications, you know, dothe work, cause it was very

(50:44):
important to me.
Yes, I had the lived experienceand that allows me to speak from
that perspective and connectwith people.
But in this work, like we areliterally, you know, life and
death, like addiction, is aprogressive and fatal disease.
People die from this daily, andso it was really important for
me to go back and get thecredentials and certifications
in order to do this work.
So I started doing that and Iwas still working at the

(51:08):
co-working space, but I love,but I said like I think I have
to go.
I think I have to go do thiswork and actually my last day of
work with them was likeFebruary 28th 2020.
And then we know what happenedright A couple of weeks later,
we walked into a pandemic and Ilaunched my, officially launched
my business in April 2020.

(51:29):
And I mean, if you, if I lookback at that now, I kind of
think that was really again anopportunity to start to be able
to connect with people and startto coach them through really
difficult situations.
And we saw the rates ofaddiction skyrocketed during
COVID, like we saw the rates ofmental health just skyrocket.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
So, looking back at actually You're isolating people
right Like you're isolated inyour own space.
You're not able to get out,You're not able to get sunshine,
right.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Right.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
All the stuff that we were not accessible to, it had
completely been cut off from yes, and so it's no wonder that you
saw this increase in spike andpeople turning to specific
addictions to overcome, yeah tolike, yeah, be, and, and.

(52:21):
For a lot of us, like for me atthat time in life, it was just
me and the dogs, just me and thedogs, yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
There's so much isolation, and we know that.
We know that addiction thrivesin isolation, which is why we
saw that.
So so what I've done is um, itwas really important to me to
speak to the family members andthe friends, the people that
have a loved one that'sstruggling.
To provide room for the family,a way to learn about this

(52:53):
disease, to navigate it withlove and compassion, to use
evidence-based tactics that showthey work, to get rid of the
harmful narratives that keep usfrom being in relationship with
our loved one.
You know, there's a lot of workthat needs to be done in terms
of setting healthy boundaries,because we can't we can't not
look at the harmful behaviorsthat we have to protect
ourselves to back to thisconcept of emotionally safe and

(53:16):
a lot of cases for peopledealing with addiction,
physically safe.
So so, yeah, that was the timeI launched my coaching and
consulting company, and now I'vebeen doing that for five years
actually hit my five-year markin April, oh, my.
God, I know, and I am like, wow,god, like this is amazing.

(53:37):
You know, it's all his work forme and I just like he keeps
bringing me the families, likefamilies that need to heal, and
I won't lie, it's hard work.
Like there are days, I think,you know, when you start to
question am I, am I really cutout for this Right, like this is
this hard stuff and I need tostay well emotionally, well for

(53:59):
myself and my own family, and soit really is a balance.
And yet that's, I think, wherethe work that I've been able to
do like set my own values, setmy boundaries, say yes to the
right things, no to the rightthings have really helped me
navigate this stage of my life.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Lori, I am speechless right now.
Like when you were sharing that, I, I don't.
I wasn't quite sure what toexpect when you were going to
start talking about yourtransition from one baby
business to the other babybusiness, and I'm floored
seriously.

(54:35):
Like I, I, I found myself likeone, getting very emotional,
thinking about just the traumathat that must have, like, just
all of a sudden spurred for you,for your family.
Like it's wild, it really is.

(54:57):
But out of that came thisabsolutely beautiful business of
yours to be able to, throughyour faith as well, serve in
such an incredible way.
And I hate to say it, butbecause of where we're at in

(55:21):
life and going back to what wewere talking about before, the
exposure that we have to socialmedia and what people put out on
social media versus therealities of what's actually
happening behind the cell phoneor behind the camera, right,

(55:42):
your service is neededdesperately and I don't think
it's going to go away for a very, very, very long time,
unfortunately.
But I'm sure a mission of yoursis I think you're yeah to
ensure that, like you, can stopthings from unraveling so much
so, or for the ball to like rollso fastly down the hill that it

(56:05):
can't even stop and it crashesright, and so it's so yeah yeah,
go ahead.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Yeah, it's, you're right.
No, it's all about how do youstep in and be able to maintain
that relationship with yourloved one, cause I'll tell a lot
of my family members like ifthe worst thing were to happen
in this disease one of the worstthings is death.
Could you look back and knowthat you loved him or her as

(56:35):
best as you possibly could andnot to have the regrets?
And I think that you know thatwas part of my story.
Unfortunately, my brother and Iwere not in a good place when
he regrets, and I think that waspart of my story.
Unfortunately, my brother and Iwere not in a good place when
he passed, and so a big part ofmy grieving process was having
to come to terms with how Ishowed up or didn't show up.
And again, that ties back intowas I living in the values that
were important to me?

(56:55):
Had I taken the time to reallyfigure out what those were?
And part of my coping behaviorwas to like ignore and walk away
.
And yet I realize now, I knownow, based on the work that I do
with families and the researchI've done and the training I've
done, is that when we can findthat space where we can honor

(57:17):
our own values and show up forsomebody that we love and set
those healthy boundaries, likethere is a way forward through
that we don't have to like, likeyou said, sit back and just
wait for things to come, youknow, and and and crash down and
in some cases they might likethat's the reality of this messy
world that we live in, andthere's a lot of people carrying

(57:38):
a lot of trauma and a lot ofgrief, and so it is.
It is something that I think isneeded, will be needed, and you
know, it's kind of funny whenpeople ask me you know how's
business?
And I always say, well, goodnews, bad news.
You know, I've come up workingwith a lot of people, which is
great for my business, but alsoit's sad because we have a lot

(57:59):
of families that are in need.
Great for my business, but alsoit's sad because we have a lot
of families that are in need andyet I think it is one of the
things that I've seen just inthis family recovery space is it
is growing, and I love that,and I also serve on the board of
a local nonprofit here calledThrive, family Recovery
Resources, and they're doingamazing work in this space for
families that need thementorship and they need support
groups and we need to helppeople in these families

(58:21):
navigate ethical treatment, likethere's so many components of
managing this disease and andyou know, we have this in place
for all the other diseases weknow how to navigate and manage
cancer and there's supportgroups and we do this for heart
disease and diabetes and all ofthese things.
But one of the things thatpeople say in the addiction and
recovery circles is that whensomebody has addiction, nobody

(58:43):
shows up on your doorstep with ahot dish right or nobody sets
up a caring bridge to help youfigure out how you're going to
get somebody to their intensiveoutpatient treatment.
It's usually done within thefamily because the families,
like we're the first responders.
They're either living with usor we're connected with them on
a regular basis.
So we as families really needto know how to manage that in a

(59:05):
way that helps our person andthat also helps us like keeps us
sane and keeps us safe.
Wow.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
The first responder thing to me is just it's it's
like mission critical, right,and so like if, if you as the
first responder, are equipped inthe right way and the undertow
of that is leading with love andcompassion, think about the
possibilities and I mean that inlike a heartfelt way, like

(59:36):
imagine the possibilities oflike shifting narrative.
Oh, my word.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
My word.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Seriously, you mentioned something that I think
is is important, that I'm I'mpretty sure the people who are
listening right now are curiousabout this too.
You're in this space.
That is just this space.
That is just.
It's tough, like for lack ofbetter words.
It's so tough and you, I'm sure, take on this mental load of

(01:00:16):
what is being shared to you.
How do you?

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
how, like, how do you care for yourself and nurture
yourself through all of that?
Yeah, yes, um.
So thankfully, I've recognizedthat I have to do that.
Um cause there's a pretty highburnout, I think, in this work.
Um like, first of all, it isknowing that I have to take care
of myself spiritually,emotionally and physically.
So what that means for me, youknow.

(01:00:42):
Physically, I am making sureI'm getting lots of movement
throughout my week.
I am eating well as much as Ican.
Just, you know all of thosethings throughout the day.
Am I drinking enough water?
No, probably not.
I need to do better with that.
But just making sure, like I'mtaking care of myself, I'm going
to my doctor's appointmentswhen I need to go to my doctor's
appointments, like I speakabout all this stuff to my

(01:01:03):
clients.
So I better be practicing whatI'm so physically well is really
important, um, emotionally,like I have my own therapist, I
have my own, you know.
Um, I'm working with a businesscoach right now so that I can
be like emotionally well in mybusiness mindset.
That's very important to me.

(01:01:23):
I do a lot, a lot of reading.
I do listen to a lot ofpodcasts, but then I sometimes I
just give myself space to.
One of the things that I'mtrying to practice right now is
like pausing before I go to thenext thing, because, like I
mentioned earlier, I've alwaysbeen this high productive how
much can I get done?
Go, go, go, go to the nextthing.
And so now I intentionally,will carve out space in my day
to make that transition, andmaybe it's only a couple of

(01:01:45):
minutes.
So maybe after we get off thiscall, I'm just sitting here, I'm
taking a couple of breaths andI'm like having great gratitude
for this amazing conversationthat we just had before I move
on to the next thing.
So that's one of the ways thatI'm keeping myself emotionally
well and then spiritually, Imean, goodness, if anything,
this work has really refined myfaith and it's really, um, like

(01:02:08):
in a good way, forced me into adeeper relationship, um, with
Jesus, because, like I couldn't,I couldn't do this work, I
don't think, if I didn't havethat for me personally.
So you know it's my morningdevotional time, it's being in a
Bible study with otherbelievers, it is pulling in
those girlfriends that I knoware my like 2 am friends that I

(01:02:30):
can call with anything, and soI'm very intentional about it
because I think I have to bebecause, yeah, there are the
days where I'm like gosh, Idon't like, am I the imposter
syndrome right?
Like am I equipped to do thiswork?
And it feels really heavy.
And yet I know in my core likethis is what I'm supposed to be

(01:02:51):
doing and I will keep doing thisas long as you know it.
That's what I'm supposed to do.
But, yeah, it's.
But I love it too, like itlights me.
I love it Like when I I talkedwith a family earlier this week
and they just were like you know, not because we had that
information and knowledge abouthow to step through this Like we
were.
The trust wasn't broken in thefamily and we were able to get

(01:03:12):
back on track when this happened.
And it just like that thatmatters the most to me to see
that these families are beingrestored, generational curses
are being broken.
They truly are, and that'spretty.
Um.
Again, it's like it's not aboutme.
This is about the work that'sbeing done in these families and
the families are doing all thework.
I'm just kind of helping guidethem through it you're the

(01:03:34):
facilitator, you're like themoderator the facilitator.
That's right, I do.
I do a lot of moderation.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
You're like all right , okay, we gotta we're gonna get
you know, just kind of keeplike this.
All right, and on to the nextpart.
I gotta do.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
I have to do a lot of that.
Yes, definitely.
So, you know, and I'm I'mreally I'm so grateful for, like
all the people and the partnersthat I work with, like I work
closely with a lot of therapistsand interventionists, and like
it's a it's a whole team ofpeople like this.
There's all these people outthere that we didn't know about
as a family, and so I want tomake sure that families anybody
listening like that has somebodywho's been impacted by

(01:04:10):
addiction or if they're goingthrough like those first stages
of recovery.
There are so many amazingresources out there, um, to help
.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
So, in in the context of what you're doing, are you
kind of covering all bases thenwith what diseases look like
addiction, you know, alcohol,drugs, narcotics, like.
So my knowledge goes.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
My knowledge goes deep with, like, the substances,
because a lot of theseprinciples that I know can also
be applied to mental healthbehaviors.
They can be applied to otheraddictions such as, you know,
gambling, hoarding, shopping,all those you know, eating
disorders, all those kind ofprocess addictions.
But my, my knowledge,educational knowledge, goes
deeper into the substance space,because so that's a really

(01:04:56):
important part of knowing, like,okay, is your person struggling
with alcohol versus fentanylversus heroin or marijuana, all
those things?
And then my focus really iskind of a couple of things.
One it's when somebody isstruggling in an active
addiction, okay, how can theirfamily, whether it's their
spouse, their kids, what theydon't, partner whatever, come

(01:05:18):
alongside them in a way that isintervening with love and
compassion and boundaries?
And so, to put it more simply,how do you help the family
member stop the nagging, theshaming, the pleading and the
guilting and step into adifferent mind space which is
going to have probably a betterimpact on the relationship,
which ultimately hopefullyallows that person to accept an

(01:05:40):
invitation to get support.
It also helps with the familymember's own wellbeing, because
a big part of this work is notjust getting your person help.
That's a huge part of it.
But also, how do I going back tothe values, how do I show up in
a way that's important for me,that's important to the other
people in my family, that'simportant to my friends and and

(01:06:00):
you know, people at work, likewe need to be, we need to become
whole in this process too.
So everybody's kind of on the ona similar journey.
So I focus on that part andthen, once somebody is has found
some treatment.
So I do a lot of work with awomen's sober home here in St
Paul called Lion House,brownstone, and we have people
come into that place.

(01:06:21):
I'm doing a lot of family work,and so a large part of the work
that I do, not only with thembut also through my coaching
practice and other families, ishelping people navigate that
first year of recovery, becausethe first year of recovery has
the highest chance of recurrence, and so we want to make sure
that we are managing that, weare walking through that, we are
reimagining what familycelebrations look like.

(01:06:42):
We are, you know, making surethat we're restoring connections
and communications andnavigating through that first
year.
So that's it.
Those are kind of the two mainfocuses of how I work.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
It's incredible.
It really is Now in terms ofyour family dynamic.
Like you, your husband and yourson, as you were making the
transition into this space.
What did that look like forsome of the ebbs and flows with

(01:07:17):
the family dynamic, for all ofyou?

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
with the family dynamic for all of you.
Yeah Well, my husband hasalways been 110% support of
whatever I do, so he was like,yeah, his, his biggest thing is
like one of the questions youhave, like, how do you, how do
you keep doing this work Like,is this triggering, like?
But you know, just, I think,watching out for my own
wellbeing, because he's the onewho sees, you know, what I, you
know, am carrying or what I'mstepping through, and so I think

(01:07:48):
that's probably his biggestconcern.
But he's like so supportive inthat.
And my son heard to know he's a16 year old teenage boy, so
he's got his own things.
But no, him too.
I mean, he knows, he knows aboutthe work I I do and, um, I
think like it's you know, it'sbeen part of his story too.
Like he knows that we have thishistory of substance use in the

(01:08:09):
family and we know that.
You know, there's no gene thatpasses this on, but there's
genetic predispositions, so thata lot of the work I do with
families is like let's take alook at your family tree, let's
take a look at generationallywhat's happened here, because
usually it doesn't, it doesn'tstart with, like, the person
sitting in front of you.
This has been generations ofproblematic behavior, and so a
lot of that can be learned.

(01:08:30):
A lot of that is passed down.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Wow, wow, wow, wow.
It's so interesting to hearthat, because the narrative that
I have always otherwise had inmy head is that there's sort
specific things within our genesthat might carry from one

(01:09:04):
generation to the next, wherethis, this, could become a
prevalent circumstance, and inthat yeah.
Yeah, wow.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
Yeah, yeah.
So I think if anything you know, it's really on this topic
alone.
Allows us to be kind of openand honest about, you know, just
the, the reality of the worldwe live in and the, just the
awareness around mental health.
And we see, you know, we see alot of you know, co-occurring
disorders with substance use andmental health.
So just being able to have likethose open and honest
conversations and, um, you know,it's part of our part of our

(01:09:37):
family story, is part of a lotof family stories.
But how do you recognize thework that maybe needs to be done
to, to, to break, to break that, that cycle and to step into a
new place of um, new, newpatterns and behaviors that are
really going to serve yourcurrent generation and future
generations as well?

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Hmm, so we've.
We've talked about some of theebbs and flows that you have had
through your first babybusiness and your, your now your
second baby business, and theimpact that you're making.
I'm curious it doesn't comelike I talk a lot about peaks

(01:10:16):
and valleys that we experience,and I'm curious if you may have
already shared what, like yourdarkest moment, had been through
all of this.
But if you haven't, are youwilling to step into that space
and share a little bit more andthen how you worked through it?

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Yeah, I mean, I think that losing my brother was
absolutely the darkest moment,but there were multiple moments
leading up to that, um, and Ithink some of the even some of
the the darkest moments evencame after he passed, like
having to reflect back on, oh,that day that I should have gone

(01:11:01):
over there and I didn't becauseI was angry at him, or the
conversation that erupted into ahuge fight where we didn't talk
for a few weeks.
Those are the things that I cannever go back and address with
him.
At least right, thank goodnessfor therapy with him.

(01:11:23):
At least right, thank goodnessfor therapy.
But, um, those, I think, werethe really hard things that I
knew I couldn't say stay stuckin.
And I see these these are likevery real things that I see in
other people's relationships too.
So I mean, working through thatwas was a lot of therapy,
because up to the point, like upuntil the point that we had him
, I wasn't processing that withanybody.
I was maybe talking about mystruggles with my, my husband

(01:11:44):
and, you know, once in a whilewe would talk about it as a
family.
But, looking back from myperspectives, probably not as
much as we could have or shouldhave, but again giving herself
grace there, cause we didn'tknow any better, we did not know
how to step through that.
So, um, I think that it wasreally important for me to
acknowledge that the trauma thatI went through and you know, I

(01:12:06):
say this to all families ifyou've ever had addiction in
your family, you haveexperienced trauma, and that can
look different for differentpeople.
Like we know that traumaimpacts people differently.
What's like really traumaticfor one person may not be as bad
as the other, but on some level, when you've stepped through
that in your family, it impactsyou and it impacts your
relationships in many differentways.

(01:12:28):
And so if you're not gettingthe help for that that's one
thing I always encourage peopleplease, at least you know, go
talk to somebody.
It doesn't have to be atherapist, but maybe just even a
good friend or another familymember to process through some
of that.
Finding the set, finding thesafe space, finding those those
safe people that you know youcan process with, I think is a
really big part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
Lori, oh, it's a heavy.
It's a heavy topic, it reallyis, and I'm just florida at your
capability to one go.
This is what.
What is happening here isn'thappening to me directly anymore

(01:13:11):
, right like I've I've had myexperience which is why I'm
doing what I'm doing right now.
I want to ensure that otherfamilies don't go through the
experiences that we had gonethrough as a family, and I'm
just the thing that keeps comingto mind for me is how you have

(01:13:32):
set a tone and boundary foryourself.
Like I understand that I can'tgo to my husband or my son and
talk through some of thesethings, like that's where the
therapy comes in, and having the, the couple of go-to
girlfriends as well as sort ofthat safe space to be able to go

(01:13:54):
.
Okay, I, spiritually speaking,like these are the people I need
right now to just kind of workthrough some of the stuff that
otherwise might be coming up andhaving conversations with other
families, other families thatare going through this.
It's I can't even imagine thatlike tug and pull that happens

(01:14:16):
for you, but how you literallyare like nope, I understand how
important it is for me to havetherapy, to to know moving my
body and, um, how, how I'mtaking care of my body is so
important in all of thismentally, physically vital, if

(01:14:38):
I'm going to be able to show upin the best way possible and
serve the people that are infront of me.
Practicing what you preach isso cool.
That's so cool and, like you,know, in some ways, like a role
model for the people who aresitting in front of you.

(01:14:59):
It's so cool people who aresitting in front of you, it's so
cool, and so I mean it's likeit's cool, it's it's humbling,
it's sad, it's all of thosedifferent like adjectives, so to
speak, but I'm very, verythankful for you sharing all
that you've gone through thework and the mission that you

(01:15:20):
have to continue to servefamilies, who who have
individuals in their lives thatare going through addiction.
It's so incredible and I wouldhave never thought like thank
you, yeah, that there wasn'tlike true, good, proper
resources out there and how.
Also, another thing that'scoming to mind is that you're

(01:15:44):
going I I can't do this worksolely by myself.
I understand that I've got tohave people and kind of go to
resources in my tool belt to gookay, here is how I can truly
support you, but I also knowthat having a conversation with
this person and this person andthis person are going to help

(01:16:05):
set you in the right trajectory.
It's that village of support isso crucial.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
That has been crucial for me.
That has been crucial for meand I think too just to go back
to the resources, because Ithink this is a really important
point there is no one size fitsall model out there for in
terms of like, how we asindividuals get support and help
, and what I was finding is thatthe things that that were out
there one either.
I didn't know about them.
That was a big part of it.
So I've always said, likethere's a marketing problem here

(01:16:33):
with with these solutions, likewe didn't know about them,
didn't know where to go and,honestly, our shame and stigma
kept us hidden.
So there were resources outthere.
I mean, there's been counselorsand therapists that have been
around for a long time.
We probably knew that, but youknow, in our hesitancy, we're
maybe scared to to step intothat.
But there are support groups,there are resources, and I think

(01:16:54):
it's so important for peoplethat are on this journey to find
the ones that work for you andto make sure that these
solutions are rooted in, youknow, evidence-based practices,
research that has proven thatthese methodologies are useful,
and then they're like learningthe tools and skills in order to
know how to do that.

(01:17:15):
So I think that that's reallyimportant.
So it can be really helpful tofind somebody you trust like
whether it's a coach like me,whether it's a therapist,
whether it's an interventionistor people you know, treatment
centers that work in the spaceto say here are the things that
exist, and then allowing peoplethe permission to figure out
what works for them.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
Some people.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Some family members will go to three meetings a week
, and that's perfectly okay forthem.
Other family members are like Idon't want to do any meetings,
I just want to go talkone-on-one with somebody,
because that's what works forthem.
So I really honor that.
In my practice, too, is I'lloffer up here's like all the
solutions that I know and I'velearned about and that I trust
and that I recommend.

(01:17:57):
Now the work that you have todo is go figure out what's going
to make most sense for you.
I mean, it's just like awellness program.
What I do to stay well isprobably different than what you
do to stay well.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
And that's great because we're accomplishing what
we need to accomplish forourselves, and so I very much
see the family recovery journeyplaying out that same way.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
So, lori, when in my previous life, as I like to call
it which I'm not far removedfrom that, but just bear with me
as I kind of talk through thisand this will be like my next
question for you so in myprevious life I was in mortgage
lending, in having, in having mydaughter, that it was like my

(01:18:41):
mini version of trauma and goingsomething is not working here,
like something with what I'mdoing and trying to harmonize
that with being a new mom.
Something isn't working right.
So I decided to pivot and go adifferent direction and you know
you and I can talk off airabout the rest of that.

(01:19:02):
But when I was in the practiceof doing mortgage, that was my
business right, I had.
There was this.
There was sort of thistrajectory of how everything
went right, like a linear thing,like first, first, first the
client would typically getconnected with a realtor, right,

(01:19:25):
and then they would.
Really it should have been theother way around, in my humble
opinion like figure out whatyour finances are first.
Then you go and look at thehome, because you understand
what your parameters are, put anoffer in on the house.
The next additional resource inall of that is you.
You get everything underwritten, you link up with an insurance

(01:19:49):
agent to have insurance on theproperty and you have title
clearance as well.
So you have all of these gameplayers in this mix, right, and
so trying to do it backwards fora client isn't going to make
sense.
What I'm getting at in thecontext of what you do is can

(01:20:11):
you give us sort of like thislineage of what it would look
like for a family, like, wouldthey have a conversation with
you first?
Are you sort of like that firstrunner up in what the lineage
of conversations are?
Does that make sense?
Because you?

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
yeah, a lot about the resources and how there's.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
You know there's a couple different components to
what all of this can look likein order to kind of come around
to the other side of this.
But I'm trying to like set thelisteners up for success in
where you fit in the grandscheme of all of it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
Yeah.
So here's what happens isusually, when people come to me,
they have been walking thispath for a while, and when I say
a while, I mean literallydecades.
I mean I've.
When people come to me, theyhave been walking this path for
a while, and when I say a while,I mean literally decades.
I mean I've seen people come tome like my person's struggling
for 20 years, and they'reusually at a place where they're
pretty dysregulated themselves.
So they're they're coming to mesaying I need to help my person

(01:21:18):
.
I need to help my person, Ineed to help my person, yes, and
we gotta got to help you too,because I am the supporter, the
cheerleader, the encourager, thehope giver for that person to
say like, yes, we're going toget there, but we've got to get
you well first.
Like you're so emotionallydysregulated You're probably not

(01:21:43):
working.
You know a wellness plan thatis serving you.
So a big part of that ishelping people understand like
you have to take care of youfirst and then we're going to
move on and start this work.
That's not to say that we'regoing to be like here's some
resources for your person and Ihave to evaluate the situation,
like, is this a situation wherethere's, you know, maybe are we
dealing with.
If this person doesn't stopusing, or if they're using,
really dangerous drugs theycould die.

(01:22:03):
Then that might be a situationwhere you know we have an
intervention and go through thatprocess and we speak
differently about interventionsbecause I know that conjures up
a lot of different images for alot of different people.
But the approach I take is very, very invitational, no
surprises, very compassionate,like how do we restore the whole

(01:22:26):
family?
But so there's that.
But then there are people thatare like I just don't know how
to do this anymore.
I don't know how to show up, Idon't know how to communicate
with them, or communicationfeels strained.
So that's where I can startworking with somebody to help
them with that.
And this is one of my favoritestories.
But a lot of people will saywell, I'm not even talking to my

(01:22:48):
person.
I was once working with a momwho came to me and her person
was living on the streets andusing some really dangerous
drugs.
And what happened is that shewas working with me and she said
because if I do see my personagain, I want to be able to be

(01:23:08):
in a better place withcommunication than I have been
in the past.
So this mom knew that she hadto change her way of behavior if
she even had a chance to beinteracting with her person.
So what happened is her persongot pulled into jail and they
were able to then startcommunicating.

(01:23:29):
And this was quite a few yearsago.
But now to this date, thatperson has found recovery and is
living a really amazing life.
And it was because that mom hadthe foresight to think like how
do I need to show up differently, realizing like I can't, you
know, we know, we know like thethe philosophies of you didn't,

(01:23:49):
didn't cure it, you know, ordidn't cause it, can't control
it, can't cure it, but we cancontrol our own behaviors.
And so that's a big part oflike when people, if people are
interested in understanding thatthey have to look at their own
behaviors and figure out likeI've probably in some ways shown
up in ways that haven't beenhelpful or supportive or I just
don't know how to do that.

(01:24:10):
That's the work that we startembarking on.
So that's one big piece, Ithink the other is and I
mentioned this already forpeople that have somebody who
have found treatment but they'restill looking for some support,
kind of that longer.
Like okay, what's thetrajectory of where our family
is going?
Because often the first thingis like sometimes and we

(01:24:32):
mistakenly thought this like oh,our person's going to go to
treatment and then they're goingto be great, wonderful, we're
going to get our person back,everything's going to be okay.
And the reality is is liketreatment is kind of just the
first, first start, and we alsoknow that sometimes people have
to go to multiple treatmentsbefore they find that long-term
recovery.
And so this is a journey.
This, you know, addiction is alifelong disease.

(01:24:53):
It's progressive and fataldisease.
So showing up as a family tosay, like how are we going to
manage this in a way that keepsus stable and in relationship
with one another?
What are the hard things we gotto talk about, like that's how
I can help the families.
To like keep, keep our familyfrom fragmenting.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
Um, past a point of you know, wow, I guess yeah, no,
that's, it's so good and andthank you for putting that into
context um, for the listeners tojust understand, like, where is
it that you kind of interjector inject, is probably the the

(01:25:35):
best way to like inject whatyour knowledge and expertise is
and how you can best serve servefamilies who are going through
these crises.
So thank you.
That was super helpful for me.
Something that came to mind andand maybe we can do some kind
of riffing on this but do youfind ties between, like, what

(01:25:59):
you're doing in serving familiesand then how you operate your
business and then how you showup in your household as well?

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Ooh, that's a big question.
Um, okay, let me try to breakthat down in terms of the ties.
Well, yes, and so here's what'sreally interesting is and I
kind of sometimes joke with thisabout my husband, but with my
husband, like I'm sitting allday talking to families about
positive communication skillsand how do we set healthy
boundaries and practicing thepause and like all these really

(01:26:31):
great tools to help them withtheir communications within
their families, and then in myown humanness, I'll get upset or
triggered by something andmaybe I'll say something that
you know maybe didn't have theright tone to it, or I'll shut
down or all of these behaviorsthat I'm trying to fix in other
families.
I always say it's hardest inyour own, but this, I also think

(01:26:52):
this work has been really goodfor me as a parent.
Like I all the all this, thiswork that I do with families,
like I can look at that and sayhow do I, how can I use this
approach or this communicationskill to interact better with my
husband or with my parents orwith my son?
I mean, all of these things I'mpracticing, I'm like I'm I'm

(01:27:16):
learning too right, we're allhuman, and so I have realized
and learned that over time.
I always like to say practicedoesn't make perfect, practice
makes permanent, and so I haverealized that as I've done this
work.
I think maybe they woulddisagree, but I think it's made
me a better communicator as awife, as a mother, as a sister

(01:27:36):
and as a daughter, um to as wekind of navigate through this
messy life.
So that's been kind of fun forme.
But then I'm also kind of hardon myself, like, oh, I didn't
use that skill or I messed it up.
But then that's where the gracecomes in.
That's another thing that I sayto my clients, like we have to
find grace for one another andwe have to find grace for
ourselves and know that each daywe've got a new day to try this

(01:27:56):
and and to just keep going.
So I use a lot of, a lot of mycoaching on myself and with my
family, whether or not they likethat.
But I think that's probablybeen one of the strongest
connections that I've seen.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
Yes, that humanism part of it You've mentioned that
a couple times like we're allhuman in this and it doesn't
come without its mistakes.
And if we want to take it astep further, just both of us
being, um, you know faith as afoundation and christian women,
like we can try our absolutebest to like live by how jesus

(01:28:36):
did right, like love, likealways through love.
Um, but because we are humansand and this is just the reality
, like we are, we're gonna fail.
We're gonna fail, we're gonnasay we're gonna have our hiccups
, we're gonna hit our speedbumps, sometimes big, sometimes
small, but to allow ourselfgrace and and I think something

(01:29:00):
that's kind of important too islike, how do we, how do we just
allow the grace to happen butalso go?
How can I, just in my personallife, ensure that this isn't a
repetitive circumstance that ishappening right?
Um, practice practice makesperfect versus practice makes

(01:29:22):
permanent is like one of my likeI've had so many gold nuggets,
lori, but like that's one of mylike, oh, I'm taking that one
and I'm putting it in my pocketand we're gonna use that with
the kiddos and how they show upin what sports and every
activities.
All of that looks like, oh mygosh, that is so, so good, lori.

(01:29:49):
We're not quite done yet, butwe're going to start to land the
plane.
As I like to say, and almostall of us are going to start to
land the plane, I couldliterally talk to you for hours,
but for everybody who'slistening, we'll just we'll
start to land the plane.
So what is a piece of advicethat you would give a younger

(01:30:16):
version of yourself, knowing allthat you know here and now?

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
version of yourself, knowing all that you know here
and now.
Also, maybe I'll soundrepetitive and it comes no
surprise, but it really is likedefining your values, just
taking the time to go throughthat exercise and figure out,
like, what is it that I want tostand for?
When people think of Lori Healy, what are the things that I
want them to remember about me?

(01:30:44):
I think that's really important.
One of the one of the just aquick thing that exercises I'll
do with people is imagine your90th birthday party and you have
all your family and friendsthere and what are the words
that you'd want them to sayabout you?
You know.
So when I go back to my valuelist, like I want people to say
like, oh, she was, like sheloved adventure, she loved doing
different things, she lovedtaking risk.

(01:31:04):
Or you know what?
She was always present with herfamily.
She made sure that was reallyimportant to her.
And like, the work she did wasreally important and it helped
you know other family, those arethe things I want people to say
.
So I think defining your valuesearly on in life, especially as
people are launching, intoadulthood.

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
I think is super important.
Curious if that advice carriesthrough into my next question,
which is what's a piece ofadvice that you would give a
woman who's listening right now,who's teetering or maybe
nibbling on the edges ofentrepreneurship?
What is the advice that youwould give them?

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
I think I would say approach it from an abundance
mindset.
So I think we can get caught upin our own stories of like, oh,
what's this is going to happen,and what if that happens, and
what if I fail, and we createthese barriers for ourselves
when we haven't even started.
So I would say, flip it and askyourself the question what's
the best that could happen?

(01:32:06):
What's the best that couldhappen?
And operate from that place,knowing that you're going to
have to obviously manage thewhat ifs.
That's just the reality.
But to be open to that, whatcould be exciting about this
risk that I take?
What are the things that couldhappen that I haven't even
imagined yet?

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
Lori, if you had a microphone there.
I would tell you to do the micdrop, because that was so good.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
You're funny.
That's what I'd say, though Ithink it's true.
Like we our mindset, we get, wetell ourselves these stories
that aren't even true, andusually they're fatalistic and
horrible.
And I don't know, I think maybethat's part of like a mom
protective measure, like we justimagine the worst, because if

(01:32:52):
we think, if that actuallyhappens, then I'll be prepared
to deal with it, but I thinkthat I just don't think that
does us a service.
I think we have, to likeoperate from a place of
abundance, and I'm I'm learningto do that more and more too.

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
Yeah, you and I both were.
We're all many of us are kindof rolling in the same boat,
same direction, right In termsof that?
Yeah, I think that that's justabsolutely beautiful advice.
A couple more questions andthen we can wrap up.
So who would be a goodconnection for you in this
current moment?

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
Yeah, you know I was thinking about that.
Um, maybe this is going tosound right, but I feel like I'd
want to flip it and be like whocan I be a good connection for?
Because I really truly do wantto help those people.
That kind of feel like ifyou're somebody who is just like
I don't know what to do next,Like that's who I want to

(01:33:46):
connect with, Cause I just wantto get them on the right path,
Even if it's not working with me.
Like I want to say, like here'ssome of my favorite books, or
go check this out or talk withthis person.
Um, I think that's probablymost meaningful to me right now.
Like I feel pretty.
I feel pretty well resourced.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
Yeah, amazing, what an incredible answer.
So nice.
Well, how can people getconnected to you then, if that
is um?

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
yeah, I mean my website's, lauriehealycom.
I do a 30 minute consult withpeople to just get them on their
next path and um figure outwhat that looks like, so that's
probably the very best way tofind me.
I'm on LinkedIn too.
People are on LinkedIn.
That's usually the platform Ispend the most amount of time on
.
I know you mentioned Instagramwas yours, but I like LinkedIn,

(01:34:35):
Um, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
Wonderful.
I will be sure to drop all ofthat information into the show
notes.
There were a couple otherresources that you had thrown
out and through our interview,so I'm going to make sure to
drop those into the show notesfor the individuals who are
listening as well.
Lori, thank you from the bottomof my heart.
Yeah, thank you this was soincredible.

(01:34:59):
Thank you for sharing yourstory.
Thank you for um all of thework and how you are serving
families in a in a very, veryvulnerable and tough place.
It's just incredible to hearhow, how you got to that, and
then the work and the missionthat you have.

(01:35:19):
It's incredible, truly.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
Oh, thank you.
Thank you.
I thought of one connections.
Here's the, here's the thingtruly Like, I think if there are
people that want to do thiswork and don't know how or don't
know where to start because Ithink there's a lot of people
just like me who have lived outthis story and are looking for
more purpose-driven I hear thata lot.
I have a lot of people reachout to me and be like how did
you make this change?
Like you went from startuptechnology into this, and so if

(01:35:46):
there are people that want totruly do this work, like I'd
love to connect with them,because we need more people
doing this work we really do.
That's a big one.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
I'm so glad that you caught that.
You caught it Just rememberedYep caught that.
You caught it, just remembered,yep, before we hung up.
Yeah, I'll be sure to add thatinto the show notes as well.
Lori, I hope that you have anamazing day.
Thank you for all that you do,so glad that I got to see you
again and just hear more of yourstory and share that with the

(01:36:17):
listeners.
You are incredible oh, thankyou thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
Thanks for making the space for us to do this.
I think it's really important.

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
Oh, my, my pleasure, and you want to talk about, you
know, lighting.
Lighting a fire within likethis is something I'm so
passionate about is like kind ofreaching the edges of
motherhood and entrepreneurshipand then how they overlap.
It's the edges of motherhoodand entrepreneurship and then
how they overlap it's.
It's not a fun place to be insometimes, but it's also comes

(01:36:45):
with really incredibleconnections, just like this one,
and how we can expand that too.
So that's what the mission is.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
Thank you.
I hope you have a great dayWell thank you, kelly.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
Yeah, I hope I get to see you in person again soon.
We will, lori.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
We will have a great day.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
All right, thanks, bye-bye.

All Episodes

Ep. 57 with Laurie Healy | Founder, Laurie Healy - Recovery Coaching & Education

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

Crime Junkie

24/7 News: The Latest

Stuff You Should Know

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Ep. 57 with Laurie Healy | Founder, Laurie Healy - Recovery Coaching & Education