Ep. 76 with Rachael KraMer | Founder, Owner - Shekinah Wellness - Reclaiming Your Hue: A Podcast for Women Rediscovering Themselves in Motherhood & Entrepreneurship

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SPEAKER_02 (00:10):
Welcome everybody to Reclaiming Your Hue, where we
are dedicated to empoweringwomen to embrace and amplify
their inherent brilliance.
Our mission is to inspiremothers and entrepreneurs to
unlock their full potential andradiate their true selves.
I'm your host, Kelly Kirk, andeach week my goal is to bring to

(00:30):
you glorious guests as well assolo episodes.
So let's dive in.
Good morning, Rachel.
Good morning, Kelly.
How are you?
Good, how are you?
Thanks for having me.
Uh, my pleasure, and I am doingvery well.
Thanks.
I am so excited to have youhere.
I'm so excited also to dive intoyour book as well.

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There's many things that I knoware gonna come up in this
conversation and intersection ofmotherhood and entrepreneurship.
A lot of it is talked about inhere, which is really cool.
But before we dive into all ofthat, can you share with the
listeners how it is that you andI got connected?

SPEAKER_00 (01:12):
Yes.
My wonderful husband, Tom, he hementioned me to you at an event
that you two were at.
He actually has told meoftentimes that he finds himself
talking about me and my servicesand what I do.
I'm a holistic healthpractitioner.
Yeah.
So with other people at hisnetworking events, often,

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whether it's because it's alike-minded person or because
there's a lot of sickness,illness, struggling, suffering.
Yeah.
If it's in their own home or afamily member, there's always
someone where it just comes up.
And he is all about naturalhealing and he's seen it
himself.
So he's my biggest fan.

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Yes.
And so he talks about that alot.
And so he came home, told meabout you.
We connected.
He, like I said, talks to othersoften about me at his networking
things.
And oftentimes it, you know, Imake the connection, but then
some a couple times it's gonesomewhere and oftentimes it
doesn't.
But then with you, then when weconnected, then soon after that,

(02:15):
I went to your event.
Yeah.
And I was just so pleasantlysurprised and felt like this is
where I should be.
It was such a blessing to bepart of it.

SPEAKER_02 (02:24):
Well, and you showed up to that event.
Like here I am, kind of bringingall of you women together,
right?
Like all of the women who havebeen who at that point had been
on the podcast and then anyfuture guests, right?
I'm like, I gotta bring thesewomen together and also
celebrate the anniversary,hitting the anniversary mark.

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And frankly, hitting a huge goalof mine, which was at the start
of all of this, I was like, I amgoing to either interview or
post a solo episode every singleweek for a year.

SPEAKER_00 (03:00):
Wow.

SPEAKER_02 (03:01):
And I hit that year mark.

SPEAKER_00 (03:02):
Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_02 (03:03):
And I'm like, you know, what's so interesting is
I'm booked out at that point.
I was booked out for months.

SPEAKER_00 (03:08):
So for have you, did you meet your goal as well?
Or every so every week for thatyear?
I did.

SPEAKER_02 (03:14):
And I'm still going.
I am now at this point in thisinterview.
I'm booked until February of2026.

SPEAKER_00 (03:24):
Yeah, but you booked this in the summer.

SPEAKER_02 (03:25):
I know.
I know.
Anyways, you showed up to theevent, and I was so, first of
all, so taken back.
I was like, I had thisconversation with this woman who
on that phone call told me thatshe's a grandma.
She has grandbabies.
And you showed up, and I waslike, the math is just not
mathing.
It's not mathing.

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But you showed up with thiswonderful book.
And might I just share realquick with the listeners what
the book is?
Yes, please do.
All right.
So it is, well, I'm gonna readit all.
Leap from defeated tovictorious, happy, healthy,
healed, and want the same foryou.
So it's Rachel's insightfulstory of the contrast between

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the world's healing solutionsand God's true healing.
I love it.
Thank you.
Now, so not only are you aholistic practitioner, correct?
Correct.
But you're also an author.
Yes.
You marry you wear many hats.

SPEAKER_00 (04:26):
Yes, motherhood, don't we all?

SPEAKER_02 (04:28):
I know.
So um, you know, motherhood, andthen also an entrepreneur, and
also taking the leap intowriting a book, because I've had
a couple other individuals whohave written books here on the
podcast in conjunction to whattheir entrepreneurial journey
is.
And I'm like, hoofd, I can'teven imagine.

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So um, so let's share with thelisteners what came first for
you.
Was it motherhood or was itentrepreneurship?

SPEAKER_00 (04:57):
For me, it was definitely motherhood.
For one, I was a young mom, somy career wasn't even started or
even thought of at that time.
But looking back, I would do itthat part that way again,
motherhood first, becausemotherhood does come first for
me.
It always has, always will,still does.
Um, I stayed home most of theyears with the kids.

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I always worked little odd andin things here and there around
their schedule, family membersbabysitting.
But the majority of their years,I their years at home, I was
home.

SPEAKER_01 (05:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (05:31):
And then when I realized I wanted to go back to
school for nursing, I thought,well, it's only four years.
But then I thought, four years,that's almost a quarter of a
child's life at home.
That's a lot.
Do I want to spend a quarter ofhis time, a quarter of the time
being distracted and pullingaway and busy?
So I thought, no, I don't.

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And so when he, my youngest,started preschool, then I took
one class.
When he started kindergarten, Itook two classes.
So I went to school as he wasgoing to school, I got my
degree, and no one even knew Iwas gone.
Um because I did it around themand their stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (06:08):
I love that.

SPEAKER_00 (06:08):
Uh so for me, motherhood definitely came
first.
And let's see.
But that doesn't let's see.
Oh, sorry about that.
Just a pause.
But my um then when I did goback to school and became a

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nurse, uh, then for the firstfour months after that, I worked
full time.
So I worked full time for fourmonths, and I said, I just can't
and don't want to do that.
My daughter even said she wasolder at the time, she's my
oldest, and she was saying, Iknow it's just like I'm running
in and out the door saying hiand bye, but I miss that because

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I was gone.
And I realized I don't want togo from being a stay-at-home mom
doing odd-in things while theywere uh you know, gone or
around.
But I didn't want to go frombeing their primary caregiver to
being absent and like notgetting them off to school, not
being home when they get homefrom school, missing their
sports and their events.
And I told my husband who um wasruns his own business that he

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can't show up for work and dohis job, but then also worry
about changing all the lightbulbs and cleaning the bathrooms
and making sure that they havelight bulbs to put in.
Like he can't do both roles.
And I was saying I can't takecare of the home and my kids and
the family to the level I wantand be gone.
I just can't.
So motherhood has always camefirst.

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I love it.

SPEAKER_02 (07:40):
I love it now.
So to piggyback off of that,when did like for how long were
you working as a nurse?

SPEAKER_00 (07:53):
I was working as a nurse.
Oh gosh, I have to go back intime to think.
Um somewhere in probably thefive to ten year range, I was a
nurse.

SPEAKER_02 (08:04):
Okay, okay.
And you do share a lot in yourbook, which I'll make sure to
drop in the show notes forindividuals if they're curious
to learn a little bit more aboutthe background of Rachel,
because you dive into a lot oflike the why behind getting into
holistic work and then also justyou know the the healing process

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that has gone along with thattoo.
And so when did you make theleap from being a nurse
practitioner, nursepractitioner, correct?
I was an RN.
An RN to what you are doing nowin the holistic space.

SPEAKER_00 (08:45):
Yeah, good question.
And so a lot of people that knowme or have known me all my life,
they were surprised when I wasgoing into nursing because I've
always had more of a naturalbent.
Um, but then I had a daughterthat passed away and she was
seven weeks old.
And the nurses that helped methrough that, they were just
angels.
They were there, of course, allhours during the night,

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answering my questions, helpingme, guiding me, and I wanted to
do that for someone else.
So that's why I went intonursing in the first place.
And I think because I was alwaysa little more natural, I I
realized practically day one onthe job that I can see why
everyone questioned why am Igoing into this.
Yeah, as I, you know, I was uhin a um nursing home.

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Everyone there was, I mean,constipated is a common thing
there.
But they're not looking at theirdiet, their exercise, their
water intake.
Instead, it's a pill for this, apill for that, rather than
looking at lifestyle.

SPEAKER_03 (09:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (09:42):
Or how else can we do this?
Um, but anyway, I stayed withnursing, went to you know,
different nursing homes.
I became director of nursing.
And then you asked, how did itswitch from nursing to holistic
health?
Actually, the the smallest thingis what made that final, the
final straw, the big decision.

SPEAKER_02 (10:03):
I feel like it's not this like big, glamorous, like,
oh, I'm gonna go intoentrepreneurship now.
You know what I mean?
It's sort sort of like the slowetch.
Right.
Until you're like, okay, thepush has come.

SPEAKER_00 (10:17):
Yeah.
And for me, it was the smallestthing.
It was, I was helping this man,this gentleman, he was
constipated.
He was doing what the doctorsaid as far as taking senna, do
what he needs to for hisdigestion there.
And I suggested something else.
I suggested psyllium husks,abdominal massage, a warm cup of
some water on his stomach, um, atwist.

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I suggested this regimen thatworked for him.
And his doctor told him to quitdoing that and go back to
metamucil.
And he did it just because thedoctor, so he quit doing
something that was working to goback to something that wasn't
working just because his doctorsaid.
So I realized then, like, I amswimming against the current.

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And how am I really going tohave an impact if I can't even
get someone to do something thatthey see as working?

SPEAKER_01 (11:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (11:04):
So I made the decision there, went back to
school for holistic health, andthen gradually made the change.

SPEAKER_02 (11:09):
Oh my gosh.
What does that process looklike?
I'm going a little off script.
So, what does that process looklike when you're going into more
of a holistic space in terms ofum like education that you need
to take?
What does that look like?
Tell me.
I I I truly have no idea.
So I'm very curious.

SPEAKER_00 (11:30):
Yeah, and it can be different for it can be it,
there's a wide range how howthat can look.
I mean, someone can actually, Ireally think people, what I see
when I see patients, people,they don't actually come to me
and say, What's your degree?
They want so they don't.
And so a lot of people, I betyou they don't even know if I'm

(11:50):
a registered nurse or that Ihave a holistic health
practitioner degree.
Yeah.
So for you can someone could bea coach.
They could all the so it there'sa wide range.
So for me, what I did is I didgo back to school and I got um
some of my credits accounted forbecause of my nursing degree,
like anatomy and physiology.

SPEAKER_03 (12:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (12:11):
So I went back to school, but that's not always
necessary, or to even have thefull complete degree is not
necessary.
It could be like, does someonewant to help someone with this
specific thing rather than awide range of things?
Sure.
So there's a lot of um varietyin there, and there's a lot of

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variety in there, but then alsoI think through motherhood
entrepreneur, where I wasalready at, there's so many
things that are woven together.
Because how did I go fromnursing to holistic health and
entrepreneur?
Well, one thing is even before Iwas an entrepreneur as a
holistic health practitioner, Iprior to that had a cleaning

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business.
So, like I cleaned houses and Idid my own business.
Yeah.
So the reason I even did my ownbusiness with that was because
motherhood comes first.

SPEAKER_01 (13:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (13:01):
And I wanted to make sure I could make it to their
school things and get them offto school and be home when they
get home from school and createmy cleaning schedule so I could
take a day off if they had afield trip.

SPEAKER_01 (13:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (13:12):
So I already had some of that entrepreneur
mindset.
And then when I went to nursing,realizing this isn't fitting for
so many reasons, whether it'slife, home mindset on how
something should be addressed.
Um, and then I went back toschool for holistic health and
went into my own practiceinstead of working for someone.

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So I could do it my own way, asfar as if someone is going to or
from work, maybe they have thisamount of, you know, a limited
amount of time.
Or if they're really strugglingand need more time, I can take
that time where I'm not set onthis appointment as 20 minutes.
I also wanted to be free to praywith them if that was, you know,

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if that was if they were there.
Um, the other part that I wantedto do with making sure
entrepreneur, my own schedulewith the kids, that's part of
it, um, while they were home.
But then the other part is whatI see in holistic health is the
Western medicine looks at thebody.
So they look at physical.

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A lot of new age, like what I uhsome of the stuff I do, I'm not
new age, but I mean some of thestuff I do as far as sound
therapy, breathing techniques,that's viewed as new age.
So I'm not new age and I'm notjust focused on the body.
Yeah.
So that's why I want to have myown practice to be able to bring
in the spirit, where it's themind, body, and spirit.
And I see healing out there asone or two modalities.

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Right.
One is the body, which isWestern medicine, two is this
the soul, the emotion, the newage stuff, but then they're
leaving out the spirit.
So the mind, body, spirit.

SPEAKER_02 (14:50):
Yeah.
Oh, that is so good.
I have so many different avenuesthat I'd like to potentially go
down, but I think one of theavenues that I do want to
explore is just the real and rawdifferences between the the
Western, I'm air quoting for thelisteners, and the Western

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medicinal practices, right?
And just how that has massivelyshifted over the last even like
five to ten years.
But you're speaking even backwhen you were in the RN space
and in the nursing home.
And I have to imagine like eventhen they were implementing.

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So it's I do feel like not tolike completely poo-poo on the
whole healthcare system.
I do feel like at some point,like they truly felt like they
were doing the right thing.
Like they didn't know what theydidn't know.
Well, and or maybe they did.

SPEAKER_00 (15:55):
When I yeah, well, when I was a nurse, I really
thought, um, so one thing, thepharmacy company makes the
medical books.
So the pharmacy company makesthe medical book medical books.
So when a nurse or a doctor or anurse practitioner is trained
how to treat this, whether it'shigh blood pressure, blood

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sugar, diabetes, anything,whether it's when they're
looking at how to treat this,it's that and it's this
medication.
So that the pharmacy companymakes the drug book.
So when I first was done withschool out there in the field, I
thought the same as you.
Totally thinking they they'rethey are doing what they believe
is best.
This is just what they believeis best.

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But part of my role as a nursewas to do long-term care
assessments.
And I did long-term careassessments for doctors, for
other nurse practitioners.
And when I would do theirlong-term care assessments, they
were not on the this long listof medication that they would
have their patients on.
So instead, they were on fishoil and multivitamin, but their

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patient were patients were on,you know, 20 different
medications, causing the needfor 20 more medications.
Then I started thinking, they doknow the detriments of these
medications because none of themare on it.
So my mind shift changed alittle bit with that mindset of
they're doing what they know isbest.
When was that?

(17:19):
I wish I could remember theyear.
I mean, like rough.
Um, 2007 or 10, somewhere inthere.

SPEAKER_02 (17:27):
All right, just let letting that sink in with the
listeners because how long ago.
Yeah, like that was that wasback in that time point, and
think about it now.
Right.
And how it has become worse now.
I mean, I frankly, Rachel, as Iwas reading through your book, I
was like, I should just go andsee Rachel.

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And because I I've now come to apoint, and my husband is gonna
end up listening to this andjust being like, what the hell,
Kelly?
But like I haven't taken Maddieback to the pediatrician because
I'm I question now, like peopleare gonna think I'm so woo.
But I don't think it's woo atall.

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The more I just keep like you ifyou follow the money, right?
Right, you're gonna find outpretty darn quickly that a lot
of what has been thrown at usfrom the healthcare system is
garbage.

SPEAKER_00 (18:23):
Exactly.
My kids were raised without adoctor, not that everyone needs
to do that.
I didn't know about a lot of thegood resources that are out
there now, which my kids use fortheir kids.
But there is New Kingdom, thereare other places out there that
are more like-minded.
But I don't know if you can saythat part in there, but I will.
Okay, yeah.
So there are, so I didn't knowof those resources.

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So for me, my kids were raisedwithout a doctor, and I just
always had that, that, thatfight.
Not that I was fighting, butthat that very obvious, not
like-minded way of addressingsomething.

SPEAKER_01 (18:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (18:56):
And I explain it to people.
I don't know how if I did it inthe book or not, if I described
it, but when I do holistic uhhealth practitioners, sorry,
when I do holistic healthpresentations, I have a picture
of a tree up and think of thetree.
Did I talk about that?
Okay, so think of the tree likea body.
Should I explain that now?
Yes.
Okay.
So please do explain it.

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Think of the tree as the body.
And regular Western medicinedoctors, if there was a problem
with the tree, like if theleaves were dying, um, the wet
regular Western medicine doctorswould put spray the leaves or
cut off the branch.
They would do something focusingon the dying leaves.
Where holistic health is lookingat the soil, what's causing the

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leaves to die.
So the soil, and also the the isthat is there too much sun, not
enough sun, how's the wind?
So the environment.
Yeah.
So it's not just even the soil,but the environment.
What kind of environment arethey in?
And what's you know, what's thesoil like that's causing the
leaves to not flourish?
Where Western medicine isfocusing on the leaves, and
that's Western medicine with ourhealth, they're focusing on the

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symptom.

SPEAKER_02 (20:01):
Yeah.
That when I read that part inthe book, I was just blown away.
Yes.
What a beautiful visual forbetter understanding and better
context, to be frank.
And so I I think you're spot on.
I don't think, I know you'respot on when you focus on what

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what's what else is happeningaround you.
You know, what's what's sort ofinternally happening within your
body, i.e.
the soil, and then how are yousurrounding yourself?

SPEAKER_00 (20:37):
Exactly.
And all of those things have tobe considered.
Like if someone went to a doctorfor anxiety, depression, acne,
I'll just pick one.
So anxiety.
If someone went to the doctorfor that, they would say, here's
an anti-anxiety med.
If someone came to me withanxiety, I would help them work
through the symptom, but thenalso work on internally what's

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going on, looking at theiradrenal glands that creates
cortisol.
But then also not neglecting tosay, you know, what's going on
in your environment, your home,your whether it's marital stuff
or finances or work or whateverit is, but you can't neglect any
of them if you're addressinganxiety.

SPEAKER_02 (21:15):
Yeah.
And that medication, by the way,is in my humble opinion, a
band-aid.

unknown (21:23):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (21:23):
At best.
A lot of times people don't evenfeel so at best it's a band-aid
and then it's making otherthings worse.
Right.
Just like you're not supposed tokeep a band-aid on a wound
because you're gonna havebacteria grow and it's gonna
make w make it worse.
Right.
Having a band-aid on a source ofsomething you're trying to heal
is actually making other thingsworse as well.

SPEAKER_02 (21:43):
I want to make a really interesting tie here,
just in regards to ummedications.
So I recently had it was it's byand large, is one of my more
interesting episodes.
By the time our episode airs,this one will have already
aired.
And it's um with three otherwidows.

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And one of them, um, herhusband, was uh diagnosed with
anxiety, prescribed medication.
And this was back a long timeago before they even had the
warning labels on medication.
After that happened, she waslike her husband committed

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suicide.
And when it happened, she waslike, This is like there was no
note left, there was nothing.
It was just like that.
And she was like, This is notlike my husband was happy, like,
and there were just a fewthings, and her his doctor after
going was like, Hey, you shouldtake this medication, Zoloft.

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And after that happened, shestarted diving in and asking
questions and wanting to getanswers.
Like, why was he prescribedsomething like Zoloft that had
all of these like impacts, theseother symptoms, right?
Where I'm going all with all ofthis.
Her name is Kim Witch, and shehas been the sole advocate, and

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the reason now that there arethe black warning labels on
medications, and she continuesto be an advocate for it.
And so I only bring that upbecause you know, as we're
speaking to the differencebetween call it Western medicine
and holistic approaches, like doyou want to actually solve the

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problem?
Right.
And if you're if that is whatyou like, if you want to get to
the root cause of it, and sothat's the simplest way to put
it, right?
And you did you painted thebeautiful picture of a tree with
roots and soil and stuff.
If you want to get to the rootcause of it, you have to start
to explore these other thingsrather than just going, I want
to take this medication that'sgonna cause other symptoms, then

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prescribe another medication.
I mean, I know too many people,you know, close to me, not close
to me, where that is the case.
They are prescribed amedication.

SPEAKER_00 (24:11):
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (24:11):
And then all of a sudden this other symptom comes
up.
They go to the doctor andthey're like, uh, what is this?
Okay, sorry, the church.
Doctor's like, Oh, sorry, here,you should probably try this
also.
And before you know it, you'rejust like walking around like a
zombie because you're you'relike popping pills.

SPEAKER_00 (24:29):
Exactly.
So it's like if like I was justsaying, you don't put a keep a
band-aid on an open wound, aband-aid talking about
prescription medication.
If you were to put a keep aband-aid on an open wound, it's
gonna cause an infection.
Right.
So instead of saying, let's takethe band-aid off, and they're
gonna cause an infection andthen give something else for the
infection, right?
That's exactly what it is.

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And I saw it with big and smallthings, big things like
anti-anxiety meds andantidepressants and
psychotropics, and so bigthings, but then also small
things that people small but bighealth problems, and they just
don't realize the effect.
For example, someone would go tothe hospital and end up coming

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home on, let's say 325milligrams of aspirin, and it
never got switched, lowered to81 or taken away, and so they
hemorrhage, and then or likeomeprazole, someone has um
heartburn, acid reflex.
I would have a differentapproach with how to address
that, but their approach was togive them omeprazole, which is

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making the symptom feel better,but the problem worse.
But it even says on the box notto take it for longer than two
weeks, and people would be onthat for years, years and years,
forever.
And so when I was in there doinghome care for them, when they
would come home on that, I wouldcircle it on the back of the box
and say, okay, this is the date.
Like it says no longer than twoweeks.

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So two weeks is up on this day.
I'd put it in their calendar andsay, now talk to your doctor
about going off.
So they are with like big andsmall things.
We're small which with bigproblems, or the bigger drugs
also.

SPEAKER_02 (26:07):
I could go down like a huge rabbit hole with you on
all of this, but let's let'skeep the the main thing, the
main thing.
Right.
So when you went into yourpractice, how old were your
children at that time, at thatpoint of time?

SPEAKER_00 (26:24):
Yes, when they were uh, let's see, when I was done
with school for holistic health,then my daughter, so there's six
years gap, and my son was inmiddle school, and then my
daughter was in high school.
So that's when I started for myholistic health um practice.
And then I practiced in thehome, I have my practice set up

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out of my home.
And so then my appointmentswould be during their school
hours while they were gone.
And then I also started ummaking uh my goodness kombucha.
So I made a kombucha brand andthen sold that at farmers
markets, but I also didn't evendo the farmers markets until my
youngest graduated because Ididn't even want to miss his

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stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (27:10):
Farmers markets are Yeah, they're on Saturday and
Sunday mornings, right?

SPEAKER_00 (27:14):
So the one in my neighborhood is also on Tuesday,
and I didn't want to miss hisfootball games.
So I waited even for that partuntil they were graduated
because I really wanted my mybusiness stuff to be done when
they were at school or when theywere busy.
I um so yeah, they were inmiddle school, high school when
I did that, when I started, Imean, and then made the kombucha

(27:35):
business, grew that, and thenlast year sold that business.
You did?

SPEAKER_02 (27:39):
I did, yep.
I sold it all the boomer.
I was like, I need to ask Rachelwhen she gets here, like where
can I get my hands on thekombucha?

SPEAKER_00 (27:46):
Well, good question.
I sold it to a local person.
Okay.
It's 100-acre homestead, andshe's still at many farmers
markets.
Okay, and she's still and shesells my goodness kombucha.
Oh my gosh.
So I still make it for home forus, but I'm not at markets
selling it.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (28:01):
So I have, oh my gosh, so many different
questions.
The one that's sticking out tome is so let's let's talk about
the time that your holistic likethe time frame of starting your
holistic practice to when it'sstarting started to like really
rev up.

(28:21):
Did you find that kind of goingslow when it making these
decisions based off of schedule,right?
The kids' schedule, that itthere was like a hindrance in
what you were doing with yourholistic practice in like
ramping up sales, right?
Sales.
Or ramping up your revenue,yeah, so to speak.

SPEAKER_00 (28:44):
Definitely.
Definitely there was.
It was a slow start for me.
It was a slow takeoff for me.
Yeah.
It was, I when I was done withholistic schooling and starting
my business, there was sixmonths of me doing stuff during
the daytime only, you know,going to networking things, and
and it wasn't working.

(29:05):
And I was telling my husband,it's not like I'm just sitting
here hoping someone finds me.
I'm out there, I'm doing stuff,it's just not working.
Yeah.
But then the very next day, Igot my first patient.
And so it took it was a slowstart, it was a slow takeoff.
Um, so there was hindrancesthere with ramping up or um

(29:27):
sales that there was hindrancesthere.
But I personally have neverregretted that as far for so
many reasons.
One, when the kids are home,it's a small fraction of time.
Like I am so much, I'm so busynow.
I work way more than I ever didwhen they were home.

(29:48):
Yeah, and and I can, and I'm notmissing out on things.
And so part of my what would Itell my younger self is slow
down.
It will it.
Will happen.
It's okay.
Go slow.
Yeah.
So good.
Yeah.
Slow down.
Like you only have this small,like what you're doing right now

(30:09):
is the most important thing.
And in the other stuff willunfold because you're doing what
you're doing right now.
Like, I actually startedRachel's Remedy, an essential
oil blend, to help my son withhis sinus infections, which he's
never had since now.
It's been 20-something years,but that wasn't a business plan.
I was just doing life.

(30:29):
And so I was just doing life athome.
And then also, so many of thosefoundational things from the
decisions I made are still sucha core of who I am.
As far as the remedy blend thatI made for him, or because we
made the decision to have mehome or home more working very
part-time, because of that, wewe made decisions like when

(30:55):
other parents were bringing kidslunches during their sports
thing, I would pack a lunch.
When other kids would haveconcession stand and just money
given to them, I would bringcarrots.
And so it really set up justthis huge foundation as such,
and that's such a core of who Iam and what I do and what I help
others do.

(31:15):
But it came out of necessitybecause we couldn't afford this
or that.
So at the time it seemed like wewere making these sacrifices,
which I am so thankful for nowbecause it's just who I am and
who like what I help others do.

SPEAKER_02 (31:28):
Well, I'll tell you what, when I met your husband
Tom, I was like, this guy's realfit.
And he, I mean, after I met likeafter I met you, and I'm like,
okay, well, that that makessense, right?
It makes sense what you're doingwith your holistic practice that
that's also going to eventuallystick and as you're modeling,

(31:50):
right?
Like you're modeling it, andit's going to uh make waves
around you as well.
There has to be buy-in, right?
Exactly.
But so Tom, let's talk aboutTom.
Shout out to Tom, by the way,because he deserves a worthy
shout out.
He made this connection.

(32:12):
He I periodically I'll get likeLinkedIn messages from him,
like, hey, have you consideredthis person for the podcast?
Hey, you know, think about this.
He's wonderful.
He is, he's such a connector.
He he is.
He was also an entrepreneur.
So you two have a a uniquecircumstance, right?
Both of you are entrepreneurs.

(32:35):
Or I should say uh Tom'sprobably always going to be a
little bit of a couple ofthings.

SPEAKER_00 (32:38):
I was going to say he still is.
He's he's retired from Kablooey,but we're starting another
thing.
So he's still an entrepreneur,he always will be.

SPEAKER_02 (32:45):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (32:46):
Oh, are we?

SPEAKER_02 (32:48):
Sneak.
Well, sneak, we don't have todive into this.
The reason I wanted to bring upTom is because the two of you
have a very unique circumstance.
And I want to speak to this forsome of the listeners who are
tuning in right now and going,yeah, my husband has a very
similar mindset.
He's also an entrepreneur, hehas a business.

(33:11):
And you just talked aboutleading into all of this about
how there had to be sacrifices,right?
That takes communication, right?
And as individuals workingtogether, you know, not working
together, but living together,you're married.
You have to have thisfoundational communication about

(33:36):
how is life gonna move forward,right?
Talk to myself, talk to thelisteners about how you guys
approached these conversationswith one another so that it was
at that moment in time, it wasthe best thing that you knew to
do, right?
It was the best thing that Tomknew he needed to do for

(33:58):
business over here.
This is the thing that I need todo for Rachel's business over
here.
More importantly, how is ourfamily gonna move forward and
how are we gonna collectively doit?
I want to just get a little bitof intel into the Kramer family.

SPEAKER_00 (34:12):
Yes, yes.
Yeah, and so Tom and I are verylike-minded on the big things.
So, you know, the big, bigtopics of life, we are like
practically clones.
We are just so like-minded onthe big things.
But then on smaller things thatmaybe don't matter quite as
much, or some of the smallerthings, we're actually a little

(34:33):
bit opposites, but we're both inthe middle of something.
So we're both, so I'll useintrovert extrovert as an
example.
Sure.
He is a little bit more on theextroverted side and I'm a
little bit more on theintroverted side.
You don't say.
Yes, exactly.
So we're both like it's not likehe's an extreme extrovert and
I'm an extreme introvert.
We're both kind of in themiddle.

(34:54):
He's just a little more on oneside and I'm a little more on
the other.
And so that's the truth, that'strue with a lot of those small
topics with us.
We're on the opposite side, butin the middle on the small
things.
But that's actually a strengthbecause it it's a strength for
us, because his way benefits meand my way benefits him.
Where he's very, as anyentrepreneur, and I say any, but

(35:16):
most entrepreneurs, because I'mnot that way, but he's very
quick decision, quick torespond.
Yes.
So he's very quick, and I'm veryslow.

SPEAKER_02 (35:24):
And I'm with you.
Yeah.
You and I are very similar.
Like I I have realized, and Iwas just talking about this with
um somebody else yesterday.
I was like, I have come to theunderstanding as I am
interviewing all of thesebeautiful women who own
businesses, that the shorter youcan like the shorter you can

(35:49):
make that time frame of making adecision, the better.

SPEAKER_00 (35:53):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (35:54):
Unfortunately.

SPEAKER_00 (35:55):
Usually.
But though but what I so that istrue.
And the the part that so withTom and I that I've we both try
to bring value to the marriage,the relationship, the family, is
to see the value in how Godcreated the other person because
he is very quick to decide.
But then sometimes you need tocount the cost.

(36:16):
You need to think, is this agood decision?
But if it were up to me, maybewe wouldn't move anywhere
because I'm slow.
Yeah.
So it is big picture good tomake quick decisions, but we it
is important to look at theother person and what value they
bring to it as well.
So with that, kind of settingthe stage there, that we're very
like-minded on the big things,we differ on the small things,

(36:38):
but it's uh very much a strengthfor that for us.
Um, and then with how toapproach health and those things
within our marriage, he um hewas a he he's often an example I
use with the people I'm workingwith because he was not on
board.
And it, but then I see him athome, like his struggles, his

(37:01):
his cheats, his the realness,because he can't do every you
know, he it takes him time.
And then he sees the success init, and then he's ready to do
the next thing.
And so it's been a I can usemany examples, well, whether
it's eczema, allergies, any, youknow, multiple things that he
has walked through and seensuccess, but it didn't happen

(37:23):
overnight.
Yeah, and I really had to.
There's a couple uh ways toinside look at Kramer House,
like you were saying, a coupleways with approaching that.
One is I have to wait till he'sready.
Like I can tell him, but I don'ttell him too much, otherwise I'm
just a nagging wife.
Yeah, and so I can tell him, butI don't tell him too much, and
then I so I plant those seedsand then wait till he comes to

(37:44):
me and asks for more help.
So that's one thing.

SPEAKER_03 (37:47):
I love it.

SPEAKER_00 (37:48):
Because I can't force him to change, I can just
tell him, and then he eventuallydoes.
Sometimes it takes a month andsometimes 10 years.
Um, but he eventually does.
So that's one part.
And another part is we do havewe do talk about roles in the in
the home, as far as I am moreresponsible for for meals or for
supplements or for how thekitchen runs or for how the home

(38:10):
runs.
So he benefits from that.
Yeah, and then he is moreresponsible for like how the
garage runs or how maintenancestuff runs.
So I'm not going to come in andand reorganize the garage, and
he's not going to come in andreorganize the kitchen.
So I have like the ultimate sayreally in our food stuff.
Yeah.
So that benefits him.

SPEAKER_02 (38:30):
I want to piggyback off of this.
When we so when my husband and Ifirst started dating, you know,
he was um divorced with his twoboys, living in an apartment.
And, you know, as things startedto progress with us, I was
spending more and more time withhim, which meant I was there

(38:52):
having like meals and stuff.
And I I'd be like, you know, Ias a single woman, I understood,
I've long since understood theimportance of like taking care
of your body.
Interestingly enough, just aslike a sidebar to that, as I
have continued to age and justhitting my 40th recently, I'm

(39:13):
like, it's even more important,even more important.
But coming into thisrelationship, I'm sorry, Joe.
Like, there's white rice,there's white bread, there's all
it's just all the stuff that youknow, cereal and you know,
potentially potato chips, likelots of sugar, lots of sugar.

(39:35):
And I'd ask, like, have you everconsidered wheat bread?

unknown (39:41):
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (39:41):
You know, at the I didn't know what I didn't know
until you know, now I know, butlike wheat bread, brown rice,
uh, you know, maybe kettle chipsor just like those little subtle
improvements.
And at first it was hard toknow.
Right.
And then all of a sudden, justlittle integral changes.

(40:06):
When we got married and we movedinto this house, he had always
been the person that wentgrocery shopping and he would do
all of the cooking and stuffbecause he enjoyed it.
I was at that, you know, thepoint that we met and our lives
started to intersect.
I was a single woman, which forany of the women who are

(40:27):
listening right now who just bychance are single women, it
you're not cooking for manypeople.
You're cooking for yourself,which means chances are you're
probably eating out a little bitmore than you are actually at
home.
You know?
But I'm like, fine, that's fine.
I don't cook that often, that'sokay.

(40:48):
And especially the girl, like,no, thank you.
That's still an area ofopportunity for me.
But when that shift happened,and he was like, You can go
grocery shopping if you want, ifyou want to have some of the
healthier stuff in the house.
All right, sounds good.
Things have shifted dramaticallyin our house.

(41:10):
Yeah, still areas ofimprovement.
You know, we've got three kidsunder 11 years old.
Yeah, three kids.

SPEAKER_00 (41:17):
Oh, yeah, because of his two.

SPEAKER_02 (41:18):
I think and then my daughter as well, our daughter
together.
But it's it's pretty incrediblewhen you when you sort of have
the reins in terms of being ableto be the CEO of the household,
so to speak.
That's that's the hat that Ialways like to say that I wear,
and it's one of the mostimportance because mom falls

(41:40):
underneath that.
But you can have that control oflike, this is really important
to me in terms of health.
I want this to be reallyimportant to you.
So here you go.

SPEAKER_00 (41:52):
Exactly.
Yep.
And they were and they actuallyreally for the most part
embraced that.
Maybe if my kids heard me saythat, they would be like, oh no,
I didn't.
I mean, but they it's just theway it was, and there wasn't
another option.
And for when my kids wereyounger, it was out, like I
said, out of necessity becausewe couldn't afford to eat out.

(42:13):
So I really didn't eat out.
I I didn't because I, you know,I couldn't afford it.
Yeah.
But that's such a blessing, too.
Because part of eating out, evenif someone eats where they think
they're making healthy choices,you're skipping.
So so for one thing, it's almostimpossible to make healthy
choices and eat out.
Sure.
Because of, you know, did theyget it organic?

(42:34):
Where what kind of salt are theyusing?
What where did they get the youknow, all the things that go in,
the ingredients, just all of thethings.
But then the other thing thatpeople don't realize is when
they eat out, they're skippingprocess the a process in the
digestion that's just key.
So when you when you're cooking,when a person is cooking,
they're they're thinking aboutit, they're starting to cut the

(42:55):
food, they're preparing it.
That prepares the body for whatthey're about to take.
So you you start secretingdigestive enzymes that helps you
to digest the food.
When you go out to eat, you'reskipping that process.
So you're a lot of people aredeficient in digestive enzymes
because their body is just notused to preparing the food.
And then another part is likewhen you eat, when you eat at

(43:17):
home, after you eat, you get upand clean the dishes.
Movement tells your body usethis food for energy.
When you go out to eat, you getup from the table and go sit in
your car and drive home.
So you're skipping even themovement part, like use this
food for energy.
So it's just hard to eat out andbe healthy.

SPEAKER_02 (43:33):
You learn something new every day.
And we talked about this offair.
Like, I don't do video at thecurrent moment for the podcast.
And so I want the listeners tounderstand like I'm shook.
Uh that makes so much sense.

(43:53):
It really does.
Like in my head, it makes somuch sense.
But I'm sure for some listeners,they're probably feeling like,
whoa, okay.
Um, maybe I don't eat out asmuch anymore, or maybe it's just
like one day less.
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (44:12):
Right?
Exactly.
And your body starts to cravewhat you give it.
So when a person eats sugar popcandy McDonald's, they crave
sugar pop candy McDonald's.
When a person eats salads,beets, kombucha, kimchi, that's
what they crave.
And part of the science behindthat is acidic or alkaline.

(44:32):
So if your body is the firstsugar pop candy McDonald's,
that's making your body moreacidic.
And that's where pathogenicorganisms grow.
And the body is just cravingthat, so then you feed it more
of that.
But when your body's alkalinefrom beets and kombucha and
kemchi and salad, when yourbody's alkaline, it longs to be
in that environment.

(44:52):
So when it dips out of that, solike if you're traveling and
you're not eating the same asyou used to, you end up craving
beets and a salad and the foodthat your body's used to.
So you really do, it's hard atfirst, and then it becomes easy
because it's what you crave.

SPEAKER_02 (45:08):
Interestingly enough, I want to just hang here
for a moment with the thealkaline versus acidic.
So I just to go kind of in lineand parallel to what I was just
speaking to, when I owned mytownhouse over in Woodbury, I
purchased a water system, awater filtration system, right?

(45:29):
Yes, water filtration system.
Um, I'll have to show it to youbecause it literally alkanizes
your water for you.
And there are like I can do asanitation water that like
technically could replace uhClorox because it is like so
acidic.

(45:50):
Um I'm still a little nervousabout that, given having a
toddler running around and youknow, kids that are off to
school and bringing back germs,but we can talk about that
off-air.
So we have like the water thatI'm drinking right now is um
9.0.

SPEAKER_00 (46:08):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (46:09):
So I have like I can do different kinds of water,
like a 9.0, an 8.5, an 8.5.

SPEAKER_00 (46:15):
Do you have air water life?
It's I'll have to look at that.
But yeah.
We have a similar thing whereit's alkaline ionized.
Yes.
And then we collect the acidicwater in a separate container
where I can use for cleaning.

SPEAKER_01 (46:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (46:29):
And like you mentioned, you're nervous about
it with little, with little onesand the germs they bring home.
With the, you know, going backto the Rachel's remedy that I
created, when I first wasrealizing like, well, this works
for uh physical things.
Does it work for you know otherthings?
Like, what about cleaning?
And my son didn't want our dogto be in a room with our
cleaning stuff because we usedto so we'd keep the cleaning

(46:52):
stuff in the laundry room andthat's where the dog was.
And so I started making my owncleaning supplies, but I was
nervous about it.
Like I would use my cleaningsupplies and then I would go
back and do something else.
Because it's like, what if thatdidn't really get it?

SPEAKER_02 (47:05):
I remember reading this in the book and going,
okay, Kelly, if if Rach is doingit in her book, like it's gonna
take some time to unwind that,like build back the onion layer.

SPEAKER_00 (47:16):
Yes, but yes, yeah, that's so eventually I got there
where it's like, okay, thisworks.
I haven't re-cleaned it withsomething else, and we haven't
got sick, it's fine.

SPEAKER_01 (47:27):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (47:28):
Oh my gosh.
But you do have to unlearn thosethings.

SPEAKER_02 (47:31):
So we talked about you and Tom as being two
individuals in this householdthat are both in this
entrepreneurial world, right?
Let's fold in the motherhoodpiece and with your children.
How do you feel like that hasmodeled for your children?

(47:52):
Do you see them um it becausethey're older, right?
And uh I'm not sure if one ortwo or two, two.
So if both of them have theirown children, they do.
They do, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (48:08):
So they both have their own children and they're
both entrepreneurs.
So they both so that part, itthat part there's a lot in the
end, we you know, what not theend, but once you get to they
move out and you're done withthat part of their motherhood,
um, there's always things thatyou wished you could have done
differently, or you realizelike, oh, if I could do it

(48:28):
again, I would do that partdifferently.
I'm glad I did what I did mo youknow for the big part.
The they both are entrepreneurs,so I love that to see that in
them.
I do see that my my daughterdoes put a lot of stress on
herself because uh stress onherself with what it's a good

(48:48):
thing.
So I'm not saying that as anegative thing.
And when someone brings that upto her, the stress on herself to
be this or that, she says, Youdon't know my childhood.
Yeah, like my mom, which shejust said this again recently,
and it brings tears to my eyesthat she thinks that highly of
her childhood, but to think likeyou know, we went on picnics and

(49:09):
we did it all this time, so sheshe wants to have that time with
her kids, and she's anentrepreneur, so and she's a
very s good at what she does.
So she has a lot of stress onherself with that in that sense,
but they're both entrepreneurs.
We have a wonderfulrelationship.
They um I see them on a regularbasis for family night, just

(49:29):
getting together for dinner.
I babysit the kids on a regularbasis, so it has spread into the
it's you know, those rippleeffects has gone into their
life.

SPEAKER_02 (49:40):
Now you've got the title, grandma.
Do they call you grandma or nanaor what's your official they
call they call me gamma?
Gamma?
Gamma.
That's a first.
I don't think I've heard gamma.
That's really cute.
Okay, so you're you have titleof gamma now.
How does that play into the waythat you're navigating through

(50:02):
being an entrepreneur as well?

SPEAKER_00 (50:05):
Well, I still a lot of the same, like my core
principles with family first.
I block off my calendar when Iknow they need me to babysit.
I babysit, I babysit thegrandkids on Mondays usually.
And uh, and so I block offMonday to babysit.
And then I do an overlapsometimes for my if my son needs

(50:29):
me for an hour or two, and so Iblock off my calendar ahead of
time with that.
But it's so neat, it's such ablessing to see my kids become
parents and then me be able tobe such a part of my
grandbabies' life, and and I canactually I see I learned so much
more from being a grandma than Idid a mom because I think as a

(50:51):
mom, I was so busy.
I felt so busy and so much Ifelt stress from just as moms
do, yes, all the differentthings, and so I felt you know
busy and stressed and trying tokeep up and and without now that
that's kind of gone.
I mean, I still feel busy andstressed, but it's a different
way, and it's it's verydifferent once the kids are out

(51:13):
of the house.
I can actually I just learn somuch more when I have them,
learn about life and what I'mfeeding into them and what
they're getting out of it, andit's it's wonderful.

SPEAKER_02 (51:25):
Well, it's I'm not there yet, obviously.
I've got a toddler that's tottenaround right now, so I am far
from you know, taking on a adifferent kind of title, right?
But I can only imagine that it'sthe it brings a different sense
of joy, right?
And a different sense of meaningand purpose and understanding in

(51:48):
life.
And then also that you don'thave to keep them at your house.

SPEAKER_00 (51:56):
Oh, yeah, exactly.
You know, like you know, thefunny thing is I don't have to
hand them back.
Yeah.
I always thought I was going tobe the grandma that that gave,
you know, gave them cookies anddid this and did that.
Cause it's like I didn't do thatto my kids, and now's my time,
is what I thought.
As soon as I had one, it's like,oh no, I can't do that.
Like I cannot just give themsugar, and I can't so I but it

(52:17):
is nice to be able to not thinkthat every single decision I
make has this long-term forever,like where you're just
overthinking everything.
Yeah.
So it is nice to have them andgive them back.
I love that.

SPEAKER_02 (52:27):
Well, I sort of feel in this circumstance too,
Rachel, you have a very clearvision of what your core values
are in all of this.
And so wouldn't that really atthe at the essence of all of it
go against your core values?

SPEAKER_00 (52:48):
Yes.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (52:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (52:50):
It it would, it would.
And and I love it.
Like my oldest granddaughter,who's six, she is just adorable
with they I mean, I could havestory after story with even just
feeding into her, and then whatI see the results from that be.
But like we went blueberrypicking this summer for her
birthday, that's what she wantedto do.
And my daughter was going tomake blueberry crumble.

(53:13):
And then Meadow was saying, um,well, let's just make it
healthy.
We don't have to add sugar.
And so she's telling her mom,like, yeah, let's use honey
instead, or let's use mapleinstead.
And just to see her.
And then now she she, since shewas two, has wanted to be own a
food truck selling ice cream,and she still does.

(53:35):
And then she still does.
And so she actually, this is awhole I won't even get into this
whole thing, but she has thiscute little business plan about
making this healthy ice creamwith like just healthy
ingredients.
And then she wants to go sellit.
And Mariah's like, Well, I don'twant to crush her dreams, but I
also don't want to go sell thisat the park.
It's kind of odd.
And then anyway, Meadow has goneand sold this to neighbors, and

(53:57):
she just has this cute littleentrepreneur plan and business
plan.
And she's saying, like, well,the kids will want it, and the
moms will say, No, you can'thave it because it has sugar,
but it doesn't, it's good foryou.

SPEAKER_02 (54:09):
You know, I love that she's she's taking this
very smart approach by the wayof going, I'm fine, I'll just go
to the neighbors.
Like, we don't have to go to thepark.
Fine.
Well, I'll just I'm gonna bobaround.
I had somebody else on thepodcast who she had a very she
came from an entrepreneurialfamily.

(54:31):
And she had shared, like, I Iwanted to do like a lemon, I
think it was like a lemonadestand, and her dad was like,
Well, uh, how are you gonnapurchase the lemonade?
And like literally went throughlike all of these like different
questions, like, if I'm going tolike as a dad, if I'm gonna
supply, like what's my return onit?

(54:54):
So like she was literally forcedin that circumstance to like
start to really think throughthe ins and outs of what this
was gonna look like so that shecould go and sell the lemonade,
like from a very businessentrepreneurial mind.

SPEAKER_00 (55:08):
It is so cute.

SPEAKER_02 (55:09):
How old is that little one?
Well, sh this, so this woman isnow like I she just turned 40,
so she's my age, but she wasspeaking to like her past, like
who she was in her youngeryears, and how that has really
played into where she's at now.
So the reason I bring that up islike literally your your
grandbaby is going to be anentrepreneur, most likely.

SPEAKER_00 (55:31):
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, she's had this likesince she was two and then has
continued on with it, and nowshe's actually starting to do
it.
And even when, you know, shewanted to go sell it at the
park, and Mariah's like, I don'tknow if I want to go sell this
at the park, but I don't want tocrush her dreams.
And then Meadow's like, Meadowwas saying, Well, let's go sell
it to the neighbors.
And Mariah's also thinkingthat's gonna be odd, but okay.

(55:51):
And then she said, I'm gonna goget Wilder, the younger one.
And when she got wilder, she wasalready out selling it to
neighbors.
And um, what was I?
Oh, then Wilder, her brother,little brother, wanted to get a
table to sell the stuff at apark, and she was saying, Well,
we can't use all the money onsupplies, so I can't buy a new
table when we have a table, butI'll get you a blue tablecloth.

(56:14):
So she was so like smart.
Honestly, yeah, like she isbeing a good one.

SPEAKER_02 (56:19):
I wanted her to come and just help me out.
Yeah, so it's so cool.
Now, how how old are yourgrandbabies?

SPEAKER_00 (56:29):
Uh six, four, two, and six months.
Oh my gosh.
So every two weeks.
That's a spread.
Yeah, six four, two, okay, andthen and then Tom has um kids
with grandkids too, and so thenthose are twelve and ten.
So then there's a couple more inthe mix.

(56:49):
Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_02 (56:50):
Yeah.
So you guys are kind of busybumblebees.
Yeah.
Right.
As as grandparents.

SPEAKER_00 (56:57):
Yes.
And I was saying how much I justenjoy the grandparent part
because I think when I wasraising kids, I I loved it.
I absolutely loved it, but Idid, like, as it explains in my
book, have a lot of unresolvedtrauma that I was still working
through myself.
I mean, I had my first when Iwas so young that I hadn't
resolved that trauma yet.

(57:18):
I hadn't worked through it yet.

SPEAKER_01 (57:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (57:19):
So I was having her, I mean, I was raising her
without having that resolvedyet.
So I didn't really have the timeto just like think and ponder or
just where I do with mygrandkids.
And I like even walking,holding, you know, holding their
hand one time, one of them atthe beach, thinking, you know,
where she was in the water, Iwas on the sand, and just

(57:41):
thinking of how much that's likeholding Christ's hand.
Like she is holding my hand, shedoesn't have to worry about
where we're going, she doesn'thave to worry about the end
destination.
She can trust me.
I've got her.
She's in waves where it's alittle bit tough, but I've got
her hand.
And then if it got too tough,I'd pick her up.
I mean, that's just such arelationship of our parent-child
relationship with Christ.

(58:01):
And I didn't have those when mykids were young, I was just busy
and you were just kids goingalong to get along.
Yeah, exactly.
And then with the grandkids, Ican really think about how
wonderful this is.

SPEAKER_02 (58:12):
Yeah, that is a perfect segue into talking a
little bit more about the faithpiece for you because you talk
about it a lot in the bookitself, and how this is, you
know, it it took you some timeto get to this point where faith
plays an integral role, and it'sit's a part of your business as

(58:36):
well.
So can you share a nutshellversion of where you started and
where you're at now, and sort ofsome of the the gold nuggets in
between?

SPEAKER_00 (58:49):
Yes.
So I was um raised Jehovah'sWitness, and so the a lot of my
years raised at home Jehovah'sWitness, and I I didn't have a
relationship with Christ then, apersonal relationship with
Christ.
It was a lot of just rules and alot of unknowns, like don't
celebrate holidays, don'tcelebrate this, don't celebrate
that.

(59:09):
But it wasn't about arelationship with Christ.
And then my parents divorced,and my book was into a whole lot
of trauma that went with that.
And I had um no relationshipwith Christ, no religion in my
life at all.
And then, of course, my one ofmy biggest, darkest moments in
life was the death of mydaughter.
And through that is the firsttime I as an adult then turned

(59:32):
to Christ.
And looking back on my life, hewas always there.
So he was always there speakingto me, answering my questions,
but I wasn't listening.
And then when I first turned tohim is when it started to
unfold.
But then the sanctificationprocess happens.
I still had a lot of baggage.
I wasn't all of a sudden Iturned to him and next day I'm

(59:54):
this changed person.
So I still had a lot of learnedbehavior, a lot of learned
thoughts, a lot of baggagethere.
That over time changed.
Just like I was talking aboutwith earlier, with when you
don't have certain things, youdon't crave certain things.
It's the same thing with oursanctification process in Christ
that our thoughts are worldly,our heart is worldly, our head

(01:00:15):
is worldly.
And when we turn to Christ andthrough sanctification, he
starts to undo that desire forworldly things and then fill
that spot with him.
And like I was saying too, withthe Western medicine or holistic
health new age part, it doesleave out the spirit part.
So my the part of my business iswhere faith, scripture, and

(01:00:37):
science intersect.
So that's the mind, body, andspirit.
And the spirit is the part in usthat God gave us.
It's him in us.
Just like we are from ourparents' DNA, I mean, you have a
gene from mom, a gene from dad.
We have spiritual DNA, andthat's the spirit in us that
Christ gave to us, him in us.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:00):
I do want to talk a little bit in the vein of trauma
and how the body holds on to it.
You talk a lot about that in thebook itself.
And so out of curiosity to tiethis in with the faith piece,
did as you sort of went throughthe massaging of your faith, so

(01:01:22):
to speak, and how in doing thatand turning to Christ and sort
of the slow etch, did you startto see shifts in your body as
well, in conjunction to having avery firm understanding because
of the gifts that you weregiven, right?
And the understanding and theknowledge that you have around

(01:01:44):
the body holistically.
Did you um like what did thatprocess look like in peeling
back the onion layers, so tospeak, and then revealing and
then removing of the trauma?

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:58):
Yeah, great question.
So the the science part of itwould be the sympathetic or
parasympathetic pattern in yourbody.
So that's your autonomic nervoussystem, your breath, your
respiration, your so autonomichas the parasympathetic or
sympathetic.
So sympathetic pattern is whereyour foot's on the gas pedal.

(01:02:19):
That's go and that's fight ffight, flight, freeze.
Parasympathetic is where yourbody can rest, digest, and heal.
Your body should alternatebetween the two, but when
someone has had a lot of stress,whether it's emotional or
physical, emotional stress islike what you just described,
physical stress is autoimmuneconditions or dietary um

(01:02:41):
restrictions that they'recontinuing to eat.
So whatever it is, stress in thebody, then their body starts to
get in the pattern ofsympathetic.
And to undo that, I really thinkit was just Christ speaking to
me and me listening.
Because so it was Christspeaking to me and me listening
because I started doing thingsthat I didn't really know the

(01:03:04):
the reason why or the benefit,as far as like sound therapy,
for example, or breathingtechniques, for example.
When I had, I mention it in mybook, but I had a friend that
asked um a friend that I'veknown my whole life, and she was
asking if I have ever been madat God for a lot of the trauma
that I've went through.

(01:03:25):
And no, I never have, never was,and in fact, I actually think
it's drawn me closer to Christbecause I was telling her, like
when she she'll ask her parentslike about college or about what
car or about her boyfriend,she'll ask her parents these
questions.
Me not having parents, I wouldjust pray about it.
So I really just developed this.

(01:03:45):
He is my father, he is myfriend, he's my companion, he's
my provider, he's he'severything.
So I go to him for everything.
I mean, everything.
And the and the answer is alwaysin scripture.
I mean, it's always there.
I do it whether I use scriptureas my guide, whether it's
talking about what food to eat,how to preserve something, or my
health, or I mean, it's just theanswers in scripture.

(01:04:08):
Even when the fad was sugar andthen artificial sugar and all
the other things, my whole timeI've stuck with honey because
Jesus ate honey.
It's like science is alwaysgonna catch up with scripture.
And fascinating, huh?
Yeah.
So science will always catch upwith scripture and eventually.
And then when it comes around,it's like, yeah, I knew that.
It's it's in the Bible.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:31):
You're like, I hate to say it, but I told you so.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:34):
Exactly.
So it will always come backaround and be understood.
But so I really think a lot ofit a lot was doing things that
he just led me to do, I did it,and then realized later how the
science behind why it worked.
Even with sound therapy, a lotof people think that's just new
age weird stuff.
But when you look at scripture,when Saul was in turmoil, David

(01:04:57):
played the harp.
That's so that's sound therapy.
There's a healing frequency inthat harp that David was using
for Saul that cured his anxiety.
So there's sound therapy inscripture, and then breathing
techniques.
I mean, he breathed his lifeinto us.
There's life in breath.
And so a lot of I just starteddoing it because Christ led me
to, and then I later realizedthe benefit of it.

(01:05:18):
And when I was first starting tomake the changes in myself, me
being a holistic healthpractitioner, I was doing the
things like functional lab workand hormone testing and all the
different things, takingvitamins and supplements, trying
to get my whatever back intonormal range, and they were
improving, but inside I stilldidn't feel how I wanted to

(01:05:39):
feel.
So my numbers were improving,but I still didn't feel settled
inside.
Once I started doing thingsChrist led me to sound therapy,
breathing techniques, grounding,some of those things, that's
when science and when they cametogether.
When it came together with mybody is changing, my soul is
changing, and my spirit ischanging.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:00):
Fascinating.
Interestingly enough, and we cantalk about this off-air, but I
am just gonna drop this in hereas well.
The spirit for me is it's suchan incredible journey that I
have been on, especially overthe last year.
And I will again say, and I'veI've mentioned it a couple times

(01:06:21):
on the podcast, but I've beendiscipling.
So I have a disciple, she's uhprobably going on 80.
She looks fantastic, by the way.
She's like you, like she's goingon 80, and I have seen such
dramatic change, and it's alsolike had an impact on how I show

(01:06:44):
up for the podcast too, right?
I do try to lead with love andum have a different kind of
energy as I'm having theconversation with my with my
guests, but I have had thesethoughts as, and especially as
I've been reading your book andhearing about your jer your
journey personally about likethe labs and stuff.
I'm like, I just turned 40 and Iam ready to like let this be my

(01:07:09):
best year yet in terms of healthand wellness.
Because guess what?
There is so much of this likechirpy chirpy chirpy that
happens from the outside worldthat goes, Oh, just wait, your
body's gonna slow down, yourmetabolism this, that.
And I'm like, no, it's gotta bebetter than this.

(01:07:30):
It's had to be better.
It's gotta be.
And and I do want to just take amoment and share with the
listeners some of theconversations that we were
having before we hit recordabout coffee, for instance,
right?
Like, I do I think I neverthought that we would bring this
up, but here we are, you know,and in terms of energy, and I
just had sort of this like ahamoment of okay, I've been having

(01:07:55):
these like weird sort of ebbsand flows of like I've been
drinking too much coffee.
Why am I having coffee in theafternoon?
Why am I doing this?
And then all of a sudden I startto pull back, but I sort of feel
this like pull pull back tocoffee.
And interestingly enough, you'relike, well, yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:16):
Anyone that drinks coffee is they're tired, they're
dehydrated, they have thatafternoon crash, and then
they're looking for apick-me-up, and that pick me up
is either more coffee or sugar,right?
So they coffee and sugar istheir afternoon pick-me-up.
So they're tired, they'rerunning on a low vibrational
frequency, and they think that'stheir norm.
And when they quit coffee, thenthey have this higher energy,

(01:08:39):
and then no one realizes like,oh, coffee is depleting my
energy.
Yeah.
So people that drink coffee,they're they're tired, they're
dehydrated.
Dehydrated doesn't sound like asbig of a thing as it is, but
when you're dehydrated, youactually water brings nutrients
to your cells and gets rid oftoxins.
So it delivers what you need andtakes away what's causing

(01:09:00):
problem.
And when you're dehydrated, youcan't, so if you have a cup of
coffee, you're not going toreplace it with a cup of water.
It's not one for one.
Because when you have coffee anda diuretic, you're losing so
much more nutrients than you canreplace with a cup of water.
So your people that drinkcoffee, especially every day,
they're tired and they'redehydrated, they're functioning

(01:09:20):
at a low vibr, low vibrationalfrequency.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:23):
So I I do want to just let the listeners know.
And for the guests who have beenon the podcast, they know I
always offer either coffee,water, or tea.
Whatever you want.
It's it's up to you.
And Rachel was like, after Iread this in her in your book,
like you don't really you'relike, I'll have a cup of coffee.
I was like, really?

(01:09:43):
Really?
Okay.
So the reason I bring this up isjust simply to help the
listeners understand, like, youdon't have to cut it cold
turkey.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:52):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:53):
You can still have it.
And you you shared, like, it'sjust sort of like my little
treat here periodically.
It's like my like warm, cozy cupof warmth.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:02):
Right.
Now, if I'm helping someone quitcoffee in or quit anything,
whether it's sugar, coffee,whatever it is, in the beginning
to quit 100%.
Yeah, cold turkey.
100% of it out.
So when I first quit coffee, Iwas the most addicted person to
coffee you've met.
So when I talk about that, I'mnot saying it from a stance of I
don't like coffee.
I love coffee.

(01:10:22):
But when I did quit coffee, Ididn't drink any coffee for
probably two years.
And then now I do as a treat oras a, you know, I do sometimes,
not on a daily basis.
Yeah.
But you know, I actually do somethings that I don't have my pay
that I tell my patients not todo because I take such, you

(01:10:43):
know, I take such good care,like big picture stuff, that
those little cheats don't affectme as much.
Right.
And you're in that really thegoal.
And your body is able to bounceback.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Bounce back.
So that's a big part of what Iwork with people on.
Their inner vitality, theirinner vital force, their inner
terrain.
So when you have a strong innervitality, inner terrain, yeah,

(01:11:07):
things that you expose yourselfto don't set in, they bounce
off.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:11):
But when you have a weaker disposition from chronic
stuff that you're doing, thingsthat you're exposed to set in
more and they take hold.
So I actually I'm notgluten-free, dairy-free, all
this stuff that I encouragepeople to do to make change
because I cry, you know, I'vedone a lot of the other stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:30):
You've you have done the undoing.
Right, right.
Exactly.
And so now you are in a positionwith the vitality of your body
that you can have these things.
And but I'm certain that youprobably um you tell me, do you
take it a step further if it'slike in the realm of dairy, for

(01:11:53):
instance, like how, like whereit's sourced from and all that
stuff, like you do a lot ofresearch.
Oh, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:59):
Okay, like when I say I'm not this or that free, I
don't think people need to dothings 100% because that's not
sustainable.
But in the beginning, when I'mhaving them do something, it is
a hundred percent.
And the reason why in thebeginning is I use the example,
if you were going to sit on, ifyou were sitting on 10 pins,
that would hurt.
If you removed five of them andsat on five pins, it would still

(01:12:20):
hurt.
So you have to first remove allof it to undo that.
But when I do have things that Iknow maybe wouldn't be the best
for me, I it is either organicor um organic, or where's it
from?
Like raw cheese from Costco ororganic creamer or just I all
those things are thoughtthrough, or even like gluten.

(01:12:41):
I'm not gluten-free, but howoften do I have gluten?
Not often, but I'm notgluten-free.
Yeah.
And when I do, I'm careful, likeI buy it from I make sure it's I
I would prefer it to be fromItaly because they don't use the
chemicals and the sprays that wedo here.
So I'm mindful of what I wasgoing to do.
Yeah.
So I'm mindful of ingredients.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:01):
It's so awesome.
And let me just say, I all Ikeep thinking about is like how
incredible for our listeners,and selfishly for myself, to
have somebody like you in theirand their lexicon and their
Rolodex as a resource because ofthe wealth of knowledge that you

(01:13:21):
bring to the vitality of yourbody.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:24):
Well, thank you so much.
And yeah, you know, a neatrealization that I had just a
few weeks ago that I was tellingTom that, like what you just
said, uh people have said to mehaving me in their back pocket
type thing where they can justmessage me and ask something.
And I it was just like this ahamoment that I realized that
Christ is that for us.

(01:13:44):
Like he is always with us.
I can ask him at two in themorning or five in the morning,
or I can ask him anything, anyanswer.
He's just always with us.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:52):
Yeah, it's so cool.
I love, I loved the story thatyou shared, you know, about
walking in the water with yourgrandbaby and just that
connection to how that Christ isexactly like that for us, like
holding her hand, he holds ourhand.
It's so beautiful, it really is.

(01:14:12):
And um, I I can imagine that youyou have a lot of these like
epiphanies.
So it's so many with thegrandbabies.
I do have a sense though, andthis is something that you and I
can speak to because we're bothfaith girlies, so to speak, but
the more you get to know God andthe Lord, you you sort of have

(01:14:38):
this like it's like this intel,this insight, a different kind
of intel and a different kind ofinsight.
And then that allows you to beable to show up differently for
let's, you know, first casescenario is your family, right?
And then it's your extendedfamily, and then it's the

(01:15:00):
community, et cetera, et cetera.
Right.
It just it's it's veryinteresting, and this is some of
those profound circumstancesthat I'm starting to experience
as I continue through thediscipleship and just continue
to like etch away at who I am asa person, right?
First, it's coming to understandwho God is, and then that helps

(01:15:22):
me understand a little bit moreabout myself, but then coming
out too and then showing up in adifferent way, leading with
love.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:30):
Yes, that's beautiful.
Oh, thank you.
Yes, that is beautiful, and it'sso true.
The more it's in you, the morethe spirit is in you, and you
respond to that, the more itgrows.
And then, and he comes to uswith a still small voice.
It's not in the crashing waters,the heavy winds, the waves, the
it's the still small voice.
So to hear that still smallvoice, we have to be intentional

(01:15:50):
with our time.
Yeah.
Where we set aside time and getto know him and listen to that.
And and then that does change usand starts to mold us, and we're
continually, continually beingmolded.
Just like you said, you're 40and you're not going to accept
that this is changing, that'schanging.
Like, no, this is this can beyour best year yet.
And then where I am now withChrist, that's not the end.

(01:16:12):
I'm gonna be better next yearand the year after it's a
thousand percent closer andgrowing and stronger and more in
tune, and he speaks more intoyour life, and you hear it and
respond.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:22):
A thousand percent.
How was faith within the homesetting too?
And then um talk a little bitbeyond that, how that shows up
in your business as well.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:35):
How was faith in the home setting growing up, you
mean?
Like with the kids for yourkids, yeah.
For the kids growing up.
They well, like I said in thebig a while ago, that when I had
my daughter, I was on doing alot of things.
So it wasn't there in thebeginning.
It wasn't she wasn't born intothat.
But then when my daughter, mydaughter that passed away is

(01:16:57):
when I turned to Christ.
So my daughter was young when Idid start my faith journey, so
she was young enough.
Yeah, and and honestly, toanswer that honestly, I know in
the beginning years of kids, Imade a lot of mistakes, like any
parent probably can say.
Oh, and I actually just I it putall of my trust in the Lord that

(01:17:19):
He is bigger than my mistakesand He can undo that.
So, where was Christ in raisingthe kids?
It was just like within me, aslow build.
Okay, and so it was a slowbuild, it was always there.
Um, but I do think that the kidsprobably had to they I I would
guess I haven't asked, theyhaven't said this, and I haven't

(01:17:41):
asked, but if there's anyconfliction as far as mom says
this, but then this, you know,and my daughter has said she
realizes like the life that Icame from, and then other people
have said to her, How can yourmom because I was a strict
parent, so then other peoplehave said to her, How can your
mom expect this of you when shedidn't live that herself?

(01:18:02):
And then my daughter said, Well,just because she did this or
that, she can't then condonethat, right?
Because she made that mistake,she can't say now you can go
make it too.
Right.
So I think there's a lot of Iguess in their growing up, then
the part that I'm very thankfulfor that they probably learned
is love, mercy, and grace.

(01:18:22):
And no one's perfect, and we'reall becoming a better version of
ourselves.
So, where was Christ?
He was always present and he'salways but it continues to get
stronger.
Love it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:32):
And how about within your business practice as well?

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:35):
You know, within my business, I um started my
business, like I said, so Icould do those things.
And my the business name isShekinah Wellness, and Shekinah
is the glory of God.
So the Shekinah, the Shekinahglory led the Israelites by
cloud by day, by fire by night.
So it's being led by God.

(01:18:56):
And the tagline is applyingbiblical roots to print applying
biblical roots to health andhealing.
But I have noticed through theyears that it's not as present
as I would want it to be.
It's not as present as I set itup to be.
And I I pray with them, I I talkto them, but I think a lot of

(01:19:17):
it, why it's not there as muchis people like I was in the
beginning are looking for canyou just make this better?
Like this, either my vitamin Dor my thyroid or this autoimmune
or this eczema or whatever itis.
So they're looking at can youmake this thing better?
And they're not looking atnecessarily the spiritual
component of it.
An example of that that's easierto understand is let's say

(01:19:38):
anxiety.
So eczema, you know, that's askin thing.
But then anxiety.
I know someone personally whereshe wanted my help with dealing
with her child's anxiety, andshe wanted a supplement because
she didn't want her kid to go onan anti-anxiety med.
Okay, well, that's a great step,but let's talk about the trauma.
Like, let's talk about thetrauma that's in the life

(01:20:00):
because I can't just, I mean, ifthey want a supplement, I'll do
that, but I don't have a lot ofhope for that without addressing
the trauma.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:07):
So that is part of what when I mentioned in the
beginning, how Tom and I arestarting a new thing, another
thing.
Um, that eventually, like it'sin the works, but it is all in
all ministries.
And it is really getting more toI love what I do with people and
I love working with themone-on-one.

(01:20:28):
But what I'm growing into is Iwant that, what I do right now,
to be a portion of what I do,and even a smaller portion
because I want the biggerportion to be the spiritual
ministry.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:39):
Wow.
That's incredible.
Well, you'll have to keep all ofus posted on how that continues
to progress.
Have you guys set like a datefor one that might just, you
know, all of a sudden come out?
Oh god, I have to believe thatTom is like working behind the

(01:21:01):
scenes, like yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:03):
He is, and even when I've told my kids, they're like,
Who set that date?
It's like, who do you think?
Yeah.
And we right now, in it's July.
I mean, not July, January.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:14):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:14):
And so January.
And I've said to the kids, likethe pressure that that feels
right now is as if he's saying,Can you go read 400 books, get
all the nuggets out of it, andgo write four books and have
that done in four months?
I mean, so he's not reallysaying that to me.
That's just the press, you know,the what I feel.

(01:21:35):
Yeah.
And when I told him that, hesaid, you know, I just threw a
date out there.
It doesn't have to be that date.
So it may or may not be.
It's just good to have goals.
For sure.
I think once we, you know, we'regonna we have a goal, a big
picture goal, and then what wereally need to do is look at all
the steps that need to happen tomake that goal and to see is
Janu January realistic or not.

(01:21:56):
Yeah.
So all I really know is it's inthe pretty near future.

SPEAKER_02 (01:22:00):
So cool.
And it's so cool that the two ofyou are coming together as a
united force with faith as thefoundation.
I'm so excited.
You are leading.
I'm sure it's just gonna allowyou, the two of you, to be able
to show up in such an incrediblydifferent way that is leading by

(01:22:22):
your spiritual strengths.
Oh, it's so exciting.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:26):
The big picture of it is health, marriage, and
finances.
So health, marriage, finances,and having God and all of that.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:22:34):
Oh, so cool.
We're gonna start to land theplane, as I like to say.
Um, so I've got just a few morequestions.
The first one that I'd like tohave you noodle on and then
share is what's what's a pieceof advice that you would give a
younger version of yourself,knowing all that you know now?

(01:22:55):
I think you had mentionedsomething earlier on in the
interview.
So forgive me that I'm askingyou to repeat.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:00):
But yep, I did.
And it really would be slowdown, enjoy the moment.
The what you're doing right nowis the most important thing that
you need to be doing.
And what I realized about myselfas I got older is that I really
works was a lot, a big piece ofhow I found value in myself.
And so I would undo that.

(01:23:21):
When Tom used to say, What didyou do today?
I would give him this long listbecause I felt such my value was
in my works.
And really, God wants us to justbe present.
And so now my answer is veryshort to not short to him as far
as what did you do today?
I enjoyed the day, or I sat outin the sun, or something like

(01:23:43):
that, rather than my long listof tasks.
So, what a little note to myselfwould be really enjoy the moment
you're in.
Because what you're doing isgoing to help build the other
stuff, and it will happen, justlike you know, Rachel's remedy.
That wasn't a business plan.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:58):
Yeah, it just came out of what you were already
doing innately as a human.
What's a piece of advice youwould give a woman listening
right now that is I want to tieit in with what you do.
They are an entrepreneur,hustling and grinding, know that

(01:24:27):
they need to slow down.
What would be a piece of advicethat you would share with them,
like the first step that theycould take to get a little bit
more order with their body?

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:39):
With their body.
So, like so are you sayingphysical health?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:44):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:45):
One thing would be a morning routine is so important.
I have a lot of self-carehabits, self-care routines, a
lot of things that I do.
But the one of them that I justcannot do without is my morning
routine.
And that is my prayer time.
So your most people's day isjust on autopilot.

(01:25:08):
They they go without throughouttheir day without thinking, and
everything just swirls aroundand piles on top of them.
But in order to break thatautopilot, it has to be
intentional.
And so starting the day withthat, even if it's 10 minutes,
starting the day with, and whenI have my when I do my prayer
time, my for the beginning of myprayer time isn't me praying and

(01:25:29):
asking for this or even thankingthem for this.
It's actually trying to quietall my thoughts.
So I'm quieting my thoughts, allmy distractions, all my to-do
list, all my requests, all my myeverything.
I'm quieting that and thenasking God to show up.
And then once I can feel hispresence, then I pray.
And so, really, what I would doif someone said that they just
feel swirling of busyness, andeven with their um the body, the

(01:25:54):
physical healing, would be tostart with their morning
routine.
And their morning routine, itdoesn't have to be long, it can
be, you know, uh a few minutesof prayer time, a few minutes of
stretching, sunshine on theface, because that sets up your
cortisol, your um CAR, yourcortisol activating response.
What you do in the morningdetermines how you sleep at
night.
What you do in the morningdetermines how your day is going

(01:26:15):
to be as far as your cortisolawakening response.
So that's probably the mostimportant piece.

SPEAKER_02 (01:26:19):
I'm so glad I phrased the question the way
that I did.
So that was amazing.
Thank you so much.
And it's affirming for me that Iam on the right path with my
morning routine.
So um, well, what would be agood connection for either you
right now with your um with yourpractice or for you and Tom and

(01:26:43):
your new adventure as well?

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:44):
Well, thank you for asking.
The um a connection, I wouldhave two different types of
people or people groups that I'mthinking.
And one is I don't even know thethe name or the title or how to
phrase it.
So if I explain it in just aminute, maybe you'll be able to
know what I'm trying to say.
So I have a lot of like theinformation in my head that I

(01:27:06):
want to get out.
So that's what I bring to Tomand I, what we're doing.
Tom is actually really good atyou know, graphic design stuff
and creating creating something.
So taking my information and hiscreation, then but neither one
of us are that great attechnical stuff.
He's better than me.
I'm really it's not my strength.
He is good at it, but it's notit's not his thing.

(01:27:28):
Okay.
So as far as putting like audioover a like if I were to speak
in audio and he were to create aPowerPoint, how to get those to
converge.
Or if we are doing something,it's not his, he doesn't know by
nature how to snip it togetheror take pieces out.
So kind of that technical stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:46):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:46):
Whether it's a person or like, oh, I know this
meetup you could be part of tolearn more about like how to
create sales funnels andautomated messages and all that
kind of stuff for business.
So that's one.
Okay.
And then the other, if you knewpeople that wanted to make a
business out of turning theirpassion for health and wellness

(01:28:07):
into a business, that's part ofwhat Tom and I are going to do
with others, the course thatwe're creating is if they want
this information just forthemselves and for their family,
or do they want to make abusiness out of it?

SPEAKER_02 (01:28:19):
Ah, that's really cool.
Okay.
Super intrigued.
Super intrigued and cannot waituntil you officially launch
that.
And maybe we'll be able to justmaybe drop some information into
the show notes by the time thisepisode drops.
Yes.
Let's see.
That would be great.

(01:28:39):
Um, how can our listeners getconnected to you?

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:44):
Yeah, my website, shekinawellness.com.
So s-h e k I N A H wellness.com,or buying my book.
All my contact information is inthere.
Happy, healthy, healed, and wantthe same for you.
It's sold on Amazon or in Barnesand Noble.
It's like when like an actualbookstore.

(01:29:05):
Um those otherwise social media,Instagram, Shekinah underscore
wellness, Facebook, ShekinahWellness.

SPEAKER_02 (01:29:13):
Beautiful.
I will be sure to drop all ofthat into the show notes so that
um they can just quickly clickand it'll take them directly
there so that they can connectwith you.
Rachel, this has been such atreat.
I could literally talk for hoursand hours and hours with you.
It's it's becoming more and moreevident to me, just like how

(01:29:33):
passionate I am about health andwellness.
And to your point, also thatspiritual component too, and
just like how everything pointsto the Bible.
I'm like, duh.
The answers are all there.
So lean into lean into thefaith.
But I'm so grateful for bumpinginto Tom when I did the

(01:29:57):
conversation that unfolded withhim.
That led to us meeting oneanother, to the podcast
anniversary event, and nowhaving you here in my home.
Yes, like face to face.
So I am certain that ourconversations will continue off
air.
And I hope you have a great restof the day.

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:16):
Thank you so much for having me.

SPEAKER_01 (01:30:18):
Yeah, you're welcome.

SPEAKER_02 (01:30:19):
Thank you.
Thanks for listening.
And if you enjoyed this episodeand know of any inspiring mamas
who are powerhouseentrepreneurs, please help
connect them with myself and theshow.
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